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Speaker 2: with the Sirianni extension, and do I need to do

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Speaker 2: a Maya Kolpa and apologize and embrace where I've been

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Speaker 2: as guilty as anyone of just shitting on a guy

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Speaker 2: who now gets a multi year extension, who's a super

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Speaker 2: He's clearly drafted a lot of great players, right wide receivers,

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Speaker 2: offensive linemen, defensive players. I think forty five. I think

430
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: the stat was like forty four. Forty five of their

431
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: fifty three man roster were drafted players. Obviously Baker Mayfield

432
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 2: accounts for one of those. He just had a general

433
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: manager in Spy Tech. You know, a guy under him

434
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: get a job once you start creating a tree like that.

435
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Speaker 2: He's a stud. I mean, I wouldn't say I know

436
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Speaker 2: him well. We definitely know each other and always been

437
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: a big fan. And everyone I know in the league

438
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: loves him. I mean people that because he works for

439
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: the Eagles right before I got there, and he had

440
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: just left, and you know, spy Tech had gone with him.

441
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: But a lot of people the guy that got me hired,

442
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Speaker 2: Anthony Patch, who now just left the Eagles to go

443
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: with Spy Tech to the Raiders. Jason Light is very

444
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 2: very well thought of it, and he's just he's just

445
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 2: a classic football guy who's really good at his job.

446
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons that he doesn't quite

447
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,239
Speaker 2: get the respect. It's something about that organization. You know,

448
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: if he was doing what he was doing with the Giants,

449
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 2: with the Niners, with the Packers, which with the Dallas Cowboys,

450
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: which is like a prominent, bright light, huge city, you know,

451
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: prominent historical NFL franchise, I think he'd be talking a

452
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: lot more about But you know, at the end of

453
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Speaker 2: the day, he's making a ton of money, his team's winning,

454
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: he's got a star quarterback. I don't think he really cares.

455
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Speaker 2: I've been watching your podcast for about a year and

456
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 2: it's one of my faves. I appreciate you. I'm twenty

457
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 2: six in a lifetime Cowboy fan. Do you think Dak

458
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: will play out his contract with the Cowboys and do

459
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: you think Joe Milton could ever be an NFL starter? Thanks?

460
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Speaker 2: I would never say confidently. They'll play out his contract, right,

461
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: he just signed a huge extension. He's in his early thirties,

462
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: he has some major injuries. You never know, but he's

463
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Speaker 2: gonna be the Cowboys starter for the foreseeable future. The

464
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: Milton thing, I don't know. I mean, I view Milton

465
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: like I do a lot of players in the league.

466
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Speaker 2: That are backup or thirst string quarterbacks like pretty indifferent.

467
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Speaker 2: I mean, the chances that a lot of these guys

468
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Speaker 2: are going to turn into the next starting quarterback feels

469
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: pretty slim to none. I don't quite understand. Like, I get,

470
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Speaker 2: you didn't draft him, he's not your guy. Maybe it's

471
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Speaker 2: just as simple as they don't want any conversation going,

472
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Speaker 2: you know, coming around. But the Patriots last year now

473
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: again Vrabel was not there, but used a six round

474
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Speaker 2: pick on the guy, and then a year later they

475
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Speaker 2: just trade him to the Cowboys. Just a little bizarre.

476
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Speaker 2: I get they just want to completely clear the runway

477
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Speaker 2: for Drake, but like, who's calling for Joe Milton? Whyouldn't

478
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Speaker 2: you just keep him around? Just it seems a little

479
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Speaker 2: weird to me. I don't quite understand that. So not

480
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: that guys haven't been wrong before. I mean, Tennessee gave

481
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 2: away Malik Willis to the Packers and then he started

482
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Speaker 2: winning the Packers games, and will Levis was handing the

483
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: ball to the other team. So it's not like teams

484
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: always get it right. That just that seems a little weird.

485
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just something I got red flacked.

486
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 2: I don't even know why. I just just bizarre. I thought, who,

487
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: in your opinion, is the most underrated disrespected player in

488
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Speaker 2: the NFL and why. It's a good question. I think

489
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: before he got to the Rams, I don't think Stafford

490
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: got nearly the credit he deserved. I mean, I would

491
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: say his biggest proponent, non like NFL GM or NFL

492
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: coach was always Rogers, who really spoke up for the guy.

493
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: But I think, you know, Stafford now is pretty highly

494
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Speaker 2: thought of. It's a good question. I listen. I know

495
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: he had some flaws and he turned the ball over

496
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 2: a little bit. I always thought Philip Rivers pretty freaking good,

497
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 2: but I didn't have to think about that. It's a

498
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: good question. I think it's hard to like be underappreciated

499
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. It's like the Internet is strong.

500
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: It's like when I got to the NFL, it was right,

501
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: this was ending, like let's find a gym, Like there

502
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 2: are no gems that there are no players that you

503
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: can scout that no one else knows about. They do

504
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: not exist. Honestly, not that much different than high school recruiting.

505
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: Like the Internet changed everything, even Division III guys, like

506
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: everyone gets the stats. So if you got one hundred

507
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: and fifty balls there and you ran a four to four,

508
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 2: every team's gonna know about you. So I think, you know,

509
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: in the NFL, maybe are we hyper critical of some

510
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: guys and not critical enough of other guys. I'm sure,

511
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: but I think for the most part, I think the

512
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: only way that happens is if you're a really good

513
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: player on a bad team, then you just kind of

514
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: get overlooked. But it's like you're not winning, your games

515
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: don't really matter. It's not necessarily your fault. I mean,

516
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: it's a team game, takes twenty two guys, takes coaching staff.

517
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Speaker 2: But I'm sure if we went through the bad teams

518
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Speaker 2: in the NFL, like, there are really good players on

519
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: the Titans, definitely on defense, right, there's some good players

520
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: on the Giants, but no one goes like, you know,

521
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence, like who's that guy? Like everyone acknowledges is

522
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: one of the best players in the league at his position.

523
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: He's like a dominant player, but his team sucks, which

524
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: again not his fault. All the good teams would take

525
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: him in heartbeat. I love the show question for the pod.

526
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Speaker 2: I'm a recent Iowa State grad. Go Cyclones, buddy. I've

527
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: been working my first time full time job. First full

528
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: time job, I've been considering starting my own YouTube channel

529
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: podcast and hopefully turn that into my first my full

530
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Speaker 2: time job. What recommendations would you give? Thanks looking forward

531
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Speaker 2: to hearing this. I think I've answered similar questions to

532
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: this before, and listen, I'm not the first guy to

533
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 2: say it, and it's just a pretty popular message. But

534
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: I do think a key to doing anything, whether it's youtubing,

535
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: whether it's I hate the term influencer, but like doing

536
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: stuff with the different apps, whether it's TikTok, whether it's Instagram,

537
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: whether it's streaming, is just to do it constantly and

538
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: every single day show up and do something which is difficult,

539
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: Like it's really easy. I'll give you an example. It's

540
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: easy to do podcasts after a Thursday night or a

541
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: Sunday night, or a Monday night football game, or just

542
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: during the season in general, or leading up to the

543
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: draft or during the draft when Shador Sanders is falling

544
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: in the middle of June, there's not much going on. Hey, Middlecoff,

545
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: we got three ads sold. We both want to make

546
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: some money. Fire up that microphone, do something. It's difficult,

547
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: but like, I don't really have a choice. This is

548
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: what I signed up for. This is what you do.

549
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: This is when you honestly you earn your money. And

550
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: it's easy when you're excited to do some content, to

551
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: record something. But there are gonna be days where it's like,

552
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: what am I going to talk about? And that's how

553
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: you kind of separate over the course of time, regardless

554
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: whatever you're youtubing about. My name is Red Vick and

555
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: I'm a graduate of Georgetown Senior about to graduate next week.

556
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: Congratulations buddy, George Town. You must be a smart dude,

557
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: huge fan my dad's team, the Niners, and also cheer

558
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: from my hometown team and the Skins. My question is

559
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: what advice would you have for recent college grads as

560
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: they explore the real world. Uh, that's a great question. Obviously,

561
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: the world you're entering is a lot different than the

562
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: one that I entered. Make me sound old, but eighteen

563
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: seventeen years ago, when I left in two thousand and

564
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: eight cal Paly, I would say one message that I've

565
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: had forever and I don't think it'll ever change till

566
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: the day I die. Try to do something and find

567
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: a profession that you enjoy doing because no matter what

568
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: you do, whether you're a starting quarterback in the NFL,

569
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: whether you're Bezos and you're running Apple or Steve Jo

570
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: or I guess Bezos ran Amazon, Steve Jobs ran Apple,

571
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: you run some huge company, or whether you're just running

572
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: a deli. If you like what you're doing making sandwiches,

573
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: making phones, selling books, whatever it may be, it is

574
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: so much easier to do whatever you're doing because no

575
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: matter what you do, podcaster, quarterback, you name it, it

576
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: becomes a job. And there are days that you know

577
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: can have a monotonous feel and times, whether you are

578
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: doing something physically demanding or mentally demanding, you're like, I

579
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: don't feel like doing this today, And when you enjoy

580
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: doing it, it makes it way easier to do on

581
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: the days when you don't want to do it, because

582
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: we all have days where we enjoy doing whatever we

583
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: may be doing. Especially you know, get to a point

584
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: where you can make a little money.

585
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Speaker 1: But.

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Speaker 2: I would say try to get into a line of

587
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Speaker 2: work that you like and are passionate about. It'll make

588
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: life go a lot more seamless, because no matter what,

589
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: all of our lives get challenging. We have bad days,

590
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: we have days where we're not into it. I don't

591
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: care what you do, and it helps when whatever you

592
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: choose for a profession that means a lot to you

593
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: you're passionate about, which is some people it's easier said

594
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: than done, but I would try to pursue that. Do

595
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: you have any opinions on the Florida State football program

596
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: as a multi year season ticket holder. I'm fascinated and

597
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: also terrified at the situation of being left out of

598
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: the college football Playoff and how it might have long

599
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: lasting impacts on the whole program. Also, with the settlement

600
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: with the ACC, the media rights buyout has a date

601
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: that matches up exactly with the renewal date with the

602
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Speaker 2: Big Ten media rights. It feels like FSU is at

603
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Speaker 2: a crossroads of being relevant in college football as a whole. Well,

604
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: for those of you that have been listening for a while,

605
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: you remember my guy, Derek Ray, who is the GM

606
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: of Florida State, who I worked with at Fresno State,

607
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: came on the podcast last year and we talked about

608
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: Jared Verse and Brayden Fisk and Rinardo Green and all

609
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: of this. The guys that had played on that undefeated

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00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: team that got left out of the playoff. Obviously, they

611
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: had a ton of momentum that they were just a

612
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: top five program. They had just won the ACC with

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Speaker 2: like their third string quarterback, and then last year happened.

614
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Speaker 2: So I followed Florida State pretty closely because of Derek

615
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: and like anyone my age. I mean when I was

616
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: a kid, they were basically an NFL team. They were

617
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: top five program every single year. I do think it's

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00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: gonna be fascinating because when you have a season like

619
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Speaker 2: last year, which let's face it was an embarrassment, a

620
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 2: lot on the line this year, a lot on the line.

621
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Speaker 2: I would say anything less than like ten wins would

622
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: feel like a problem trying to NCAA football. There is

623
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Speaker 2: not a team in the ACC that had less conference wins.

624
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: Florida State went one in seven, two and ten. You

625
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: would know better than me. That has to be one

626
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 2: of the worst seasons in the history of the program.

627
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Speaker 2: Here's the problem. You guys open against Alabama, which that

628
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: game is dope Campbell Stadium. That game is at Florida State.

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Speaker 2: So you host Alabama to open the season. I would

630
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Speaker 2: say you win that it would go a long way

631
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: to erasing some of the last season. Even if you lose, though,

632
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: you get East Texas A and M. I mean, that's

633
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 2: an embarrassment. This isn't anyone's fault beside the athletic department.

634
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: Florida State should not be playing East Texas A and M.

635
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: What the fuck are we doing? I mean, seriously, Ken

636
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: State home Saban. I'll allow you to play that. Then

637
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 2: you get into conference play at Virginia, Miami, Pitt at Stanford.

638
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy that Florida State is gonna play at Stanford.

639
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: You don't see Belichick, but you gotta go too. Clemson

640
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 2: to Florida not gonna be easy. Not gonna be easy,

641
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 2: I would say, does he get fired at eight wins?

642
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. My question is about my lowly Dolphins.

643
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: I know you don't think highly of them, and for

644
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: any good reason. They suck Beside our undefeated season, which

645
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: we hang on to tighter than super glue. Is there

646
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: any way for us to get competitive going forward? Follow

647
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: up one hundred men or one gorilla? Uh? I like

648
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: the gorilla. I just think it's gonna be very, very

649
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: difficult for the men to injure the gorilla and I

650
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 2: think the ability for the gorilla to seriously injure person

651
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: after person is like you could just shatter legs like

652
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: a twig, Like I would just shatter legs, punches the face. Now,

653
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: maybe you could just start jumping on the gorilla, but

654
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: I feel like it's I just think it could injure

655
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: so easy, where the humans, assuming we got no weapons,

656
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: have a huge disadvantage. So I like the gorilla. And listen,

657
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 2: I've watched a lot of Animal Planet in my life,

658
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: so I'm not saying I'm an expert on this topic,

659
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: but I feel pretty confident about my stance there. I

660
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: would say the one good thing you have going for

661
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 2: you is over the years with your owner, he's tried harbad,

662
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: denied him right, trying to think in recent memory the

663
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 2: big name guys. I feel like he's tried after Jim

664
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: Harbaugh a couple times, but like he's been on the

665
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: big guys and he just struck out. I mean, he

666
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: even looked at Brian Flores and said, listen, man, just lose,

667
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: just lose. I'll pay you. No one needs to know

668
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: about this, And Flora is so prideful. He's like, I

669
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: want to win. It's like Bro you want Tua who

670
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: you fucking hated, or Joe Burrow. So the owner's clearly

671
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: pretty nuts as well, but like at least he's got

672
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: a lot of money, and if he ever could just

673
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, like convince like a Kirby Smart, I'm

674
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 2: not even saying that would work, but I would imagine

675
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: if they just struggle this year, which I expect them

676
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: to do, that they're gonna need some juice and some

677
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: buzz you kind of need in Miami when you think

678
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: about it. The Marlins suck, right, I mean, the Marlins

679
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: really suck. The organizations just hasn't been good in a

680
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: long time. The Hurricanes really, beside last year, hadn't been

681
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: that relevant or good in a while. The thing that

682
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: makes the Heat pretty unreal is like pat Riley, at

683
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 2: least up until last year when it kind of fell apart,

684
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: has operated that thing like the Navy Seals, but without him,

685
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: and pat Riley's getting up there in age. If you

686
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: tell me pat Riley dies or whenever he quits or

687
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: retires or just kind of ends this run, I will

688
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: bet against the Miami Heat moving forward, just because the money,

689
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 2: the area, like, it's clearly like it's a great place

690
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: for people to fuck around if you're young, good looking,

691
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: and rich and a dude. Guess what, there are a

692
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: lot of stuff to get into. And I think it's

693
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: a huge disadvantage. And now that you know, look, we

694
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,959
Speaker 2: have a pretty long history now with the Miami Dolphins,

695
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: So I would say that you just got to pray,

696
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: like you got to find your pat Riley whenever that

697
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: was that Mickey Errison hired pat Riley, what was it

698
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: like two thousand ninety nine, two thousand and one changed

699
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: the franchise forever and it made them obviously the staple

700
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 2: franchise of the area, like consistently good. And the Dolphins

701
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: have not been that. The Marlins have not been that.

702
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: The Hurricanes really starting since the early two thousands have

703
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: not been that. So I think there's a huge emphasis

704
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: on getting a guy that like hand the keys to

705
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: your Sean Payton, to your Jim Harbaugh, to your whoever,

706
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: and that's not even guaranteed to work. Maybe you just

707
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: can't win there. Congrats on the wedding Daily Listener question

708
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Speaker 2: for the pod, my fiance and I need some show

709
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Speaker 2: recommendations outside of sports. Do you and your wife have

710
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Speaker 2: regular shows you watch, any good ones to check out.

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Speaker 2: You know what's crazy is when you get into a

712
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Speaker 2: show with your wife, with your girlfriend, it's awesome. You

713
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Speaker 2: both enjoy the show, and it's like, Okay, every Sunday

714
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Speaker 2: night we're watching X, or every Tuesday night we're watching X.

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Speaker 2: And then there comes a point in time when that

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Speaker 2: show ends and you're like, we don't have anything else

717
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Speaker 2: to watch. I have every streaming service known to man.

718
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: I couldn't have any more options to watch television. Yet

719
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Speaker 2: there will be nights I'm sure many of you guys

720
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Speaker 2: go through this where it's just like, did we just

721
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Speaker 2: spend an hour going from Netflix to Prime to Hulu

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Speaker 2: to Max to fucking you name it, and we have

723
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Speaker 2: been like, there's nothing to watch? How is this possible?

724
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Speaker 2: We are spending so much money on all these streaming services,

725
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: yet our options always feel pretty limited. So, you know,

726
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: I watch TV for a living, So sometimes I have

727
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: to just kind of give her the reins and she

728
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: watches shows. Now, granted, i'd be I'd be lying if

729
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: I said every once in a while she'll watch something.

730
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,680
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731
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Speaker 2: And then it gets to a point where it's like

732
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733
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Speaker 2: forty years old going every weekend to this house. Now,

734
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: I'm also not naive or ignorant, like this is a business.

735
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 2: They're paying these people twenty five fifty thousand dollars an episode.

736
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Speaker 2: If I was in their situation, I would probably do

737
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: the same thing. It's like they're just going there for free.

738
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: But in terms of my entertainment value, it's like, I

739
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: just don't care what these people are doing anymore. Now,

740
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: she did get on this show called mom Talk. It

741
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:06,480
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742
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,040
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743
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744
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,120
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745
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: They're all in their twenties, and it is again really

746
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: really stupid. But I'd be lying if I struggle to

747
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 2: look away. Sometimes it's just the entertainment value of its stupidity,

748
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 2: but I don't. Sometimes I also think when we're watching

749
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,920
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752
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,799
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Speaker 2: Why would the NBA put Game seven of the Nuggets

799
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 2: Thunder at three point thirty Eastern on a Sunday? There

800
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 2: was nothing on TV last night, and I'm barely paying

801
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: attention because I'm locked into rom and Bryson try to

802
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 2: beat Scottie. Am I missing something? I do believe big

803
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,880
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804
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,839
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00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: it on Sunday than Saturday if you have a primetime

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00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:51,040
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808
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,640
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00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,320
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810
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,239
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00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: in the NBA, you can't constantly worry you know what's

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00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,640
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00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 2: that on ESPN? Since you worked in the NFL outside

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Speaker 2: of the head coach and GM, what are the most

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Speaker 2: important positions in an NFL organization From your time in

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Speaker 2: the NFL, is there a certain department or position that

823
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: is underrated? Well, if you, I would go the coaching staff.

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00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: I think the offensive line and defensive line coaches. Like

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Speaker 2: You know, your tied end coach can be pretty replaceable.

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Speaker 2: You know, dB coaches get fired all the time, but

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Speaker 2: your offensive and defensive line coaches are pretty important. I

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Speaker 2: your owner, I would say your trainer plays a pretty

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Speaker 2: big role. You know, your strength staff probably was a

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00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: bigger deal A long time ago. Now because all these

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00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: guys have their own kind of operation, and some veteran

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Speaker 2: guys don't even do the lifts that the team wants

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Speaker 2: them to do. It's not like the team's gonna fight them.

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Speaker 2: I would say one for me personally, that has really exploded.

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Speaker 2: When I was with the Eagles, they were one of

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841
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: it's morphed into you go to some of these teams

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Speaker 2: content that they did during the draft. It's fantastic and

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00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: I think the power of these owners or whoever's in

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00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:17,799
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00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: because we all know hard knocks is nowhere near what

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Speaker 2: they all have multiple kids by the time they're in

852
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: their mid twenties and they're having like Sex Instructors coming,

853
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: it's a trip. But I watch while the show was

854
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: on on my phone, Kevin O'Connell and QUESI basically the

855
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: Vikings had like a thirty minute episode on just their

856
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: draft night, and I think that stuff didn't exist. So

857
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 2: whoever's in charge of that around the NFL is clearly

858
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: like that's cool and that's really important, you know, to

859
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 2: keep growing the base of the league's fan base, which

860
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: provides all the money. Without the fans, this the business

861
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: is not what it is. But also like satiate people

862
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: in the off season when not much is going on.

863
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: I do think the guy, whether it's your team president,

864
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: whether it's whoever's in charge of kind of like if

865
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: you own the stadium, whoever is in charge of all

866
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: the business that goes around that can help make the

867
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: organization a lot of money and in return that leads

868
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: to football. I mean, one of the reasons Jeffrey Lurie

869
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: can spend so much cash over the last couple of

870
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: years on his team because that team is making so

871
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: much money on the concerts and everything coming through the

872
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: Lincoln Financial Field. I remember Don Similenski, who's the president now,

873
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: who was like the number two when I was there,

874
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: who might have became the president my last year talking

875
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 2: to him about like Taylor Swift And this is fifteen

876
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: twelve years ago, you know, Kenny Chesney, whoever. All these

877
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: huge acts would come through, and the business for that

878
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: was such a cash cow for these teams. You know whatever, WrestleMania,

879
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: the Final Four, you name it. I don't know if

880
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 2: the final four play outside, but you know what I mean,

881
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: just World Cup, just huge events like that that is

882
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: ways to generate a ton of money. That leads right

883
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: back to paying players and paying coaches a lot of money.

884
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: So getting involved of the business outside of football, but

885
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: utilizing your stadium, whoever does that in the building is

886
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: really really important. And if I owned a team, obviously

887
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: your coach, your GM, your contract negotiator, like they're the

888
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: lifeblood of your organization, but your team president who is

889
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 2: running point on all the business not just for the

890
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: football team, but for you know, what's going on in May, June,

891
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: July at your stadium where you are, if you run

892
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: it well, printing cash is really really an important individual.

893
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: I've been listening to you since start a season of

894
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: the conversation between you and Coln I'm curious about the

895
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: Steelers quarterback situation with Rogers out of the Take Rogers

896
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: out of the equation and we start Mason Rudolph. Do

897
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 2: you think at any point, if Rudolph starts to fail,

898
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: there's a chance we see Will Howard get some snaps

899
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: If you have time thoughts on Howard. I didn't watch

900
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: a lot of college this season, I would say that

901
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: if Rogers does not show up, which would feel a

902
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: little crazy, but I mean we're May nineteenth and he

903
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: hasn't signed, I would say one million percent Will Howard

904
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: could play. I remember watching Ohio State early in the year.

905
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: In Ohio State's one of those teams that unless they're

906
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 2: in like a tight game at half, I mean, they

907
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: destroy so many people that you really got to pay

908
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: attention to them when they're playing Oregon, when they're obviously

909
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: playing Michigan, and if they're in a close game, but

910
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: over the course of the last several years, like they

911
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: destroy a lot of people. So you watch Will Howard

912
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: early in the season, now he's a transfer quarterback, You're like,

913
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: I don't really see it. And then the Michigan game happens,

914
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: and honestly, they could have lost against Nebraska. It's games

915
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: like that you're like, wait, you almost turn it on

916
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: if you're not a diehard Ohio State fan, like are

917
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: they going to lose? Because it would be shocking? And

918
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: I remember thinking of that game like what is going on?

919
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: And the Michigan game was an embarrassment. But it turns

920
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: out like that might have been more in the coaching

921
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: staff trying to run it on two top fifteen defensive tackles.

922
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: And then they got to the playoffs and they let

923
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: him sling it around because they have elite wide receivers.

924
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: I mean, they just had a guy go whatever, pick nineteen.

925
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: He's not even the best wide receiver on the team,

926
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: so they let him sling it around. And let's face it,

927
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: I would say no player, no player at any position,

928
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: had as good of a playoff run as Will Howard,

929
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: And you could argue, I guess last year was the

930
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: first year of the playoffs. That's as good of a

931
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: run as you're gonna see. I mean, he was dominant.

932
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: To see if they have his stats for the playoffs, No,

933
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: they don't, because it's all I could look it up,

934
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 2: but I don't want to waste time right now. I

935
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: liked him in that stretch. I remember early in the

936
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: season thinking, I don't really see it. Kind of reminded

937
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: me of like a Riley Leonard, high character, good athlete,

938
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: tough kid, can make some plays, but it's like, this

939
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: guy's not an NFL guy that by the end of

940
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: the season. If he had had this stretch that he

941
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: had against Oregon, Tennessee, Notre Dame and those throws all

942
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: season long, I think he go he's going on the

943
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 2: second day of the draft. I just looked up. He's twenty.

944
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: It's not like he's twenty eight years old. You know,

945
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: he's he'll be twenty four this fall. He's an older player,

946
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 2: but I was pretty impressed. I watched a little of

947
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: him with Gruden too. He seems like a pretty high

948
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: level cat. Question for the can a franchise ever get

949
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: their shit together if they have a crappy owner, if

950
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: you have someone like Vvek running the Kings, is there

951
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: any hope or are you going to be like the

952
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: Oakland Athletics who have fans wearing sell T shirts to

953
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 2: the games in Sacramento, a flipping Triple A stadium. Curious

954
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: to know your perspective on this topic. I actually talked

955
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 2: to someone the other day who was in a golf

956
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 2: group with a minority owner for a pro franchise, and

957
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: I guess this guy, once they had a cocktail, just

958
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: started unloading on the guy. That is the quote unquote

959
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: controlling owner crushing. And this is an owner that I

960
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: would say most people that follow that team would consider

961
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 2: a loser, like a clown, like a guy that if

962
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: they could fire him, they would, But you can't. And

963
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 2: I think sometimes you get these situations where you have

964
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: Tom Brady or whoever. You know, there are some teams

965
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: that have an owner with fifteen to twenty thirty percent steak,

966
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 2: but if they don't have the majority steak or the

967
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: controlling steak, they're completely irrelevant. They are just a fan

968
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: who gets a dividend at the end of the year.

969
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: So you can't fire owners. Jed York actually said this

970
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: several years ago. You don't get to so as a fan,

971
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 2: what sucks is like if you get Jeffrey Lury, if

972
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 2: you get Steve Bushatti, if you get the Roonies, if

973
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 2: you get Mickey Errison, right, if you get Joe lacub,

974
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: you get some of these guys like they will do whatever,

975
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: say what you want, like I was gonna defend Jimmy

976
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: has them for a minute, but it's hard. Clearly he

977
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: makes some terrible decisions, but at least it's not like, well,

978
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: he's a fucking idiot. He forces us to make personnel decisions,

979
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: and he's cheap, like at least he will pay for players,

980
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 2: like he will give an unlimited amount of money. Right,

981
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 2: you could argue those guys are the worst. Dan Snyder

982
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: was a little like that too, But they make or

983
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: break organizations. It's proven now, like we have a long

984
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 2: history of they're the most important guy in the building

985
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: because they answered to nobody. Like at the end of

986
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 2: the day, when Sirianni shows up to work like he's

987
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 2: got a play ball with Howie and he's got to

988
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: answer to Jeffrey Leary. That will never change when Jeffrey

989
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: Leary walks in the building, just like when Jim Dolan

990
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: walks in the building. When any of these owners they

991
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: answer to nobody. Everyone in that building stands at attention

992
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 2: when they walk down the hall. Maybe not literally, but

993
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: you understand what I'm saying. The one lone guy who

994
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 2: would like kind of talk shit back to the owner

995
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: and definitely didn't really listen to him, was Belichick, and

996
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: look how that thing ended. They ran his ass out

997
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: of town. So I don't there's no recourse. And it's

998
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: why I have supported fans that once you get to

999
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: a certain situation, like if you're a Jets fan and

1000
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 2: it just goes really poorly the next couple of years,

1001
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 2: Like if eron Glenn can't figure this out. As long

1002
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: as Woody owns a team, I think you have a

1003
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: pretty long history now of like this is probably not

1004
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: gonna go that well, there's gonna be a tough situation.

1005
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: I mean, look at Jerry now, he's probably the worst

1006
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: case because he's picking the players. He's this adamant on

1007
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: being very involved, and I think the best owners are

1008
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: like involved but also empower the people running their organizations

1009
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: might push thing on. Vivek would be using the Kings example.

1010
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: The Kings have always been a second rate organization. I

1011
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: don't think that would change even if you got rid

1012
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: of VEC. Now you go, well, are you just saying

1013
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: because it's a small market. Look at OKC, they have

1014
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 2: been really really well run because that owner hired Presty

1015
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: a long time ago and says you run the show. Buddy.

1016
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: I think sometimes in basketball more than football, you get

1017
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: Sam Presty, you got Bob Myers, you get obviously pat Riley,

1018
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: you get some of these guys like you do whatever

1019
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: you want to do. That's pretty rare in football. Belichick's

1020
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: probably the last guy who truly got that, I mean

1021
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: truly got like Bill got to do whatever you got

1022
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: to do, wanted to do. Like those days are probably done,

1023
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: you know. And it's the one shitty thing about I

1024
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: didn't see this. I spent less and less time like

1025
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: on Twitter and just the internet in general, like over

1026
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: the weekend. Turns out the Knicks fans took a lot

1027
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: of shit for celebrating beating the Celtics. It's like what

1028
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: we talking about, guys, was that really a thing they

1029
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: couldn't celebrate outside beating the defending champs, a team that

1030
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: nobody gave them any chance to win, and then you

1031
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: beat them in New York going to the conference finals

1032
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: where you're hosting, you get to celebrate that. And part

1033
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: of it is like if you're a fan, especially if

1034
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: you're older like my age, not a twenty two year old,

1035
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: you're like, we have been watching Jim Dolan for a

1036
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 2: long long time who basically had turned into some version

1037
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: of Daniel Snyder. Yet I love the Knicks, and once

1038
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: they get good, like I want to watch them. There

1039
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: is a power and I don't have it as much

1040
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 2: as I did when I was a little kid, but

1041
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: I am still drawn to forty nine or news. When

1042
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers are on TV. I don't get

1043
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: the same emotion I got when I was like seventeen,

1044
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 2: but I'm more likely to. Maybe it's just there who

1045
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: I follow and stuff on social media that I just

1046
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: feel like I'm more dialed into them. And maybe it's

1047
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 2: just more you know, inclined, and just my natural inclination

1048
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: is drawn to them. So I can't even speak that.

1049
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: If I was like still in my die hard fandom,

1050
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 2: I could totally get it and having a crappy owner.

1051
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: When you love something so much that you have no

1052
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 2: control over that you actually pay for, there's probably not

1053
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 2: many things in life that you would be as loyal

1054
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: to as most people that listen to this. If you're

1055
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: a fan of the New York Giants or the Commanders Forever,

1056
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: or pick any shitty team in any other element of

1057
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: your life, right, you wouldn't consistently go to a restaurant

1058
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: that once was your favorite restaurant that then had awful

1059
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 2: food for a decade plus, you would stop going to

1060
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: that restaurant after a certain amount of time. Right in

1061
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: any other business that you who were the customer, you

1062
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: would stop if that customer, service, or whatever they were

1063
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: you were buying from them was bad. Why do we

1064
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: go to Amazon so often? It's cheap, easy, and just

1065
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: if something goes wrong, you just end it back. Doesn't

1066
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 2: get any easier. You could argue it's the most customer

1067
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 2: friendly business in the history of my life. Honestly, I

1068
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: don't eve think there's a close second. It does not

1069
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: get any easier to operate. You can say Apple is

1070
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 2: a great product. You've ever been to an Apple store?

1071
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: Pain in the fucking ass. I went to Whole Foods

1072
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: today because I had to drop something off from Amazon.

1073
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: It turns out they didn't even open till nine. While

1074
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm there at eight, It's like, well, you can do

1075
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: a self checkout, press a button, scan it, drop it off.

1076
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: Like how easy does this get? But the reason I

1077
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 2: keep paying Amazon for you name it soap to I

1078
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: don't even know food. You eat everything. I mean, we

1079
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 2: get a package from Amazon seven days a week. Why

1080
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 2: because they are credible. If they sucked, we would stop

1081
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: right Yet with football, with basketball, with baseball, if you

1082
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: love a team, okay, listen, I had a front row seat,

1083
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 2: Like I didn't grow up an Oakland fan, and I

1084
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 2: saw the A's and the Raiders. Like that sucks if

1085
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 2: you were my age and you grew up in the

1086
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: eighties and the nineties and you watch these teams and

1087
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 2: now they one place in Sacramento in a Triple A

1088
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 2: stadium and the other uh in that Triple A stadium

1089
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: when I was in high school was built and it

1090
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 2: was a really big deal because the Triple A team

1091
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: at the time was the Sacramento Rivercats, who were the

1092
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: A's affiliate. Well, this is like the height of the

1093
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: A's and the early two thousands. They had all the

1094
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: sweet players. So you went to a Rivercats game, it

1095
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: was like watching a bunch. Like seven of their nine

1096
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 2: guys starting were future big leaguers. I went in high school,

1097
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 2: it's went it open. It was cool, and now the

1098
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 2: A's it used to played the Yankees there. And I

1099
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: had a buddy who actually plays now for the river Cats,

1100
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 2: who are the Giants affiliate, and I said, is the

1101
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 2: field bad? He's like, well, last year it was by

1102
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 2: far the worst field in all of Triple A that

1103
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: we played it. It didn't get any worse. It's way

1104
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 2: better now, but it still sucks. And I said, would

1105
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: you rather play at the Triple A stadium if you

1106
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 2: were a big leaguer or at the Oakland Coliseum, which

1107
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: is a historic dump? I mean, the Oakland Colisseum is

1108
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: as big of a dump as any stadium in America

1109
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. He didn't even hesitate. He's like,

1110
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: I would much rather play at the Coliseum, not even

1111
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 2: talking about the amenities, just the field. But that's who

1112
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: you're in business with as a fan, and there's nothing

1113
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: you can do about it. So I feel for you, guys.

1114
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 2: Pain the volume