1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Well. Bruce Feldman's at the combine. He wrote a great 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: piece in the Athletic on Mendoza's journey, and it's interesting. 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 1: I remember when Indiana started winning this year. I went 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: back and I started like going to cal footage on 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: YouTube and all the numbers, and it's it's it's not 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: a Trevor Lawrence situation with Mendoza where you know his 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: freshman year. You're like, I mean I saw Trevor Lawrence 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 1: in high school. I was like, oh my god. It's 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: over Matt Stafford where mel Kiper once said he could 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: have been drafted out of high school. It's been more 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: slow growth, but I'm for that. Aaron Rodgers was slow growth. 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: You know, Andrew Luck jumped off the television set as 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: a true red shirt freshman or true freshman. With that, 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: Bruce Feldman joins us live at the Combine in Indianapolis. 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: You wrote this piece on him about his journey. It's 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: a great article and give the audience some understanding. And 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: I tend to think, you know these Caleb Williams is 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: so dynamic. The first time I saw him at Oklahoma, 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, Wow, what is that? That's great? That is 27 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: an outlier. Most kids are like Drake may that got 28 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: justin Herbert. Herbert took a long time to develop into something. 29 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: So what was there a time that people had doubts 30 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: about Mendoza? What do you make of his jersey and 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: jersey journey and it's ascension over the last you know year? 32 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there was a massive amount of doubts. 33 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 4: He was a at one point a two star quarterback 34 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 4: retruit in Miami, which is obviously South Florida as a 35 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 4: college football hotbed for talent. And one of the coaches 36 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 4: who had tried to recruit him at FIU it's not 37 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 4: a powerhouse, but Mendoza grew up just a few miles 38 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 4: away from their campus, and this coach said he was 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 4: begging for us to take them and our quarterback at 40 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 4: the coach at the time just didn't see it. And 41 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 4: he was like basically was like twenty pounds less than 42 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 4: he is now and a little goofyar, but that was 43 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 4: basically him. 44 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 3: But you saw something. 45 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: He led them Miami Columbus High School, which by the 46 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 4: way is Mario christobal is old high school. He led 47 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 4: them to some wins over some national powers that he played. 48 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 3: And still, you know, he was committed to Yale. 49 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 4: He had no FBS offers until right before a signing 50 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 4: day of his senior year. Cal took a chance on 51 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 4: him and he went there and as you said, he 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 4: had some promising moments and I think he kept developing. 53 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 4: And then big credit to Kurt Signetti. He saw something 54 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 4: more than what a lot of other people saw. And 55 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 4: Signetti had a connection to the family because he had 56 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 4: Alberto Mendoza, Fernando's younger brother, and you know, felt like, 57 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 4: all right, this is a really special family. 58 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: This kid has a lot of work ethic, We're going 59 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: to see it. 60 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 4: And I think you look at some of the kind 61 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 4: of arcs of this former two star guy with zero 62 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 4: sense of entitlement, you know, high academic guy, and he's 63 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 4: not he's not justin Herbert in terms of the you know, 64 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 4: he's not quite. 65 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: He's big, but he's not that big. 66 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 4: He's moves pretty well but doesn't run like and he 67 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 4: doesn't have that you know, cannon for an arm. But 68 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 4: Justin Herbert, as you said, Colin was like not a 69 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 4: big recruit. He was an Oregon's backyard and really blossomed. 70 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 4: Ye also really high academic guy, you know, like a 71 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 4: four to two in biology. 72 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: This is a high academic guy. 73 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 4: And so Chandler Whitmer, who was worked with the Chargers 74 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: when Justin Herbert was Aaron, was the quarterback coach last 75 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 4: year for Indiana. He saw a lot of similarities and 76 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 4: kind of they're wiring and I think those are the things. 77 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that this guy is going to be 78 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 4: a can't miss. This is not a good quarterback draft. 79 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 4: He is not you know, Caleb Williams and the wow factor. 80 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 4: But in terms of the intangibles, and the biggest thing 81 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 4: that I would say is in his favor is one 82 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: of the coaches who played him this year in the 83 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 4: playoffs said you can affect him, but you. 84 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: Can't rattle him. 85 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 4: And what he meant by that is you may get 86 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 4: him on a play and he may throw a pick, 87 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 4: but he'll come back the next series and it's going 88 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 4: right back to work. 89 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: So he's dwelling on it. 90 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 4: And that's huge because you go back to the Oregon game, 91 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 4: throws a pick six in the fourth quarter, gets on 92 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 4: the field the next you know, the next series, and 93 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 4: leads him to a seventy five yard touchdown drive. Did 94 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: it against Penn State, did it against Iowa? And I 95 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 4: think that kind of resiliency and that mental focus that 96 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: does bode well if he's going to be the first 97 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 4: pick of the draft with the Raiders. 98 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: Listen. And it's easy for me to say this, right 99 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: because I work at a network that has the Big ten, 100 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: but there is growing evidence between Michigan, Ohio State, and 101 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: Indiana winning titles in succession that the nil and we 102 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: kind of predicted that these are bigger universities in the SEC. 103 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: The endowments are greater than a lot of the SEC schools. 104 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: But I mean, I look at the top of this 105 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: draft and the top two SEC guys are just corners. 106 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: I mean it used to be Georgia, Bama. It was linebackers, 107 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: defensive tackles, edge, those are all Big ten in Miami guys. Now, 108 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: I mean that can't be lost on you, right, it 109 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: does feel like we've had a complete sea change in 110 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: a sport we both love in like three years. 111 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: It is remarkable. 112 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 4: I mean, and you see it in the postseason game results, right, 113 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 4: And I think what has happened is the Big ten 114 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 4: is and it wasn't. You know, Ohio States been super talented. 115 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 4: They were when Urban was the head coach there. But 116 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 4: I feel like you look at Oregon right, what they've 117 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 4: got obviously signetti work miracles in Bloomington, but you go 118 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 4: through there's other talent that now has been cycled to 119 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 4: other places because of the nil also because the portal, 120 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 4: and I think that the ability to transfer, you know, 121 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 4: George is still really good. They're not what they were 122 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. Alabama's not what they were 123 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. LSU certainly wasn't. And so 124 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 4: you're right. I mean it was eye opening when I 125 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 4: think I was on my in the airport on the 126 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 4: way to fly down here, and Dale Jeremiah, you know, 127 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 4: our friend from NFL Network who does a great job 128 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 4: of valuating draft He put out his like top one 129 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 4: hundred list, and I'm looking and I'm like. 130 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: There's not a lot of SEC guys. 131 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 4: I was expecting maybe they're before in the top twenty, 132 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 4: there were only two. There was ten from the Big ten. 133 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 4: There was more from Miami than there were from the 134 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 4: entire SEC. There was more from the Big twelve. That 135 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 4: was something that nobody would have expected. But obviously Texas 136 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 4: Tech is spending a lot of money and they're making 137 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 4: trud evaluations too. 138 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: But it's like, this is eye opening. 139 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 4: You know, there's a bunch of other SEC guys further 140 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 4: outside of the top twenty like to see where it 141 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 4: is now. 142 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: It's pretty staggering. 143 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. You know, there's a couple of players 144 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: in the draft that are fascinating. The kid at Oregon 145 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: the tight end, so he is such a different shape 146 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: as a tight end. So when I watched the Oregon 147 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: this year, I'm like, he doesn't have the l I 148 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: want my tight ends to be like six five and 149 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: a half or taller. Your takeaway on the combine, are 150 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: there a couple of players in this combine that we 151 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: need to watch over the next couple of days that 152 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: could be really important. Combine doesn't matter for quarterbacks, especially 153 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: Mendoza when he's the top of the class. Are there 154 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: a couple of guys though, first round ish guys that 155 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: come the combine really matters. 156 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think the guys who will really like 157 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 4: the combine up that tight end you're talking about Kenyon 158 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 4: Sadik from Idaho. But you know, not like it's a 159 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 4: hotbed there, but there are some good players Colston Love 160 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 4: and another good tight end. It was at Michigan from 161 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 4: Idaho as well. And this guy, he was on my 162 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 4: freaks list in the summer. We did a combine freak 163 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 4: story at the Athletic yesterday. 164 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: He's the number one guy. 165 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 4: I mean he is as you said, he's not six 166 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 4: y six, but he's about two hundred and fifty pounds. 167 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 4: He vertical jumps forty two inches. He's really explosive. He 168 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 4: was a matchup nightmare you look at seeing some of 169 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 4: the things he does. Now, the consistency as a receiver 170 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 4: could be better, but he really blossomed there. He's a 171 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 4: willing blocker and he's going to be an interesting chess piece. 172 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 4: He's more I don't want to say he's the longest 173 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 4: size of brock Bowers, but brock Bauers also isn't that 174 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 4: you know, six' Six Greg olsen sized, guy or certainly 175 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 4: not gronk, Size BUT i don't think he's quite as 176 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 4: good a football player As Brock. Bowers but he's every 177 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 4: bit is, explosive if not more, explosive AND i think 178 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 4: there's a bunch of offensive coaches who would love to 179 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 4: get their hands On Kenyon. Sadik another guy on the 180 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 4: other side of the ball fits in that freaks, CATEGORY 181 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 4: A Sunny styles From Ohio. State, YES i mean he 182 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 4: looks like he was created in a. Lab you, know 183 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 4: he's a guy gonna broad jump eleven, feet a guy's 184 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 4: gonna vertical jump over. Forty he's, big he's six four, 185 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 4: plus he's two hundred and forty, plus and everybody loves you, 186 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 4: know he's really. Versatile there could be Four Ohio state 187 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 4: buck guys going the top eight or at least in 188 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 4: the top ten in this. 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INTERESTING a lot of people HAVE 206 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: i don't, know projected that The rams. Have you, know 207 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: they never have first round. Picks now they have, two 208 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: And stafford's probably off this YEAR mvp level, season he 209 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: was THE mvp That stafford's. GONNA i, mean he was, 210 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: healthy he was. Great he'll probably sign another two year. 211 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: Deal he loves, playing and the team is great and 212 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: they're in The Super bowl, run so why not? Play 213 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: so Ty simpson could sit because he didn't have a 214 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: lot of college. Starts he could just sit and that 215 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: would in my, opinion most of the time they should. 216 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: Sit what do you hear about Ty? SIMPSON i, mean 217 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: he just doesn't have enough, starts but he does have 218 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: a good. Arm he Had kaalin de Bores a great, 219 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: coach so he's been learning like kind of a pro style. 220 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: Offense did never run, games so we had to carry the. 221 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: Offense what do you make of? 222 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 4: Him there's been some good buzz here about, Him colin In. 223 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 4: Indy you'd mentioned The. Rams that's been some chowder out. 224 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 4: There there's been a couple other teams where you hear 225 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: they're going to probably take him in the first. Round 226 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 4: he has a good, army made a lot of really pressure. 227 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: Throws he. 228 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 4: DID i think he had no run, game by the, 229 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,599 Speaker 4: way you're. NOT i mean that was a huge piece of. 230 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 4: It he started to wear down later in the. Season 231 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: he's also a really more dynamic athlete THAN i think 232 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 4: a lot of people. 233 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: Realize, again he was a one year starter last. YEAR 234 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 3: i think he started fifteen. 235 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 4: Games he got pounded By indiana in the playoff where 236 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: they Were alabama got. EMBARRASSED i like him though this 237 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 4: is not a deep quarterback draft at. 238 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 3: All he is. 239 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 4: One GUY i think has first round, talent and, again 240 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 4: if you put him in the in the rights environment 241 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 4: where he does get to learn behind. Somebody he's a coaches. 242 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 4: KID a lot of people really like. HIM i think you, 243 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 4: know he came on pretty fast and then it kind 244 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 4: of fizzled out a little. Bit but there's a lot to. 245 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 4: LIKE i, mean there's no you, KNOW i don't think 246 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 4: anybody's talking about it, like oh he could go in 247 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 4: the top. Eight that WON'T i don't see that. Happening 248 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 4: BUT i think somewhere later in the first, round as 249 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 4: somebody sits there and, goes you know, what we can 250 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 4: work with him and develop him BECAUSE i think he'll 251 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 4: do well in. 252 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 3: Interviews, again his dad's a head coach at AN fcs. 253 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 4: SCHOOL a lot of people are really like the makeup 254 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 4: and the athleticism is actually really. 255 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: Good we've had a. HISTORY i, mean Obviously Tom brady 256 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: gets drafted in the sixth, round Brock perty in the, 257 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: seventh Dak prescott in the, Fourth Kirk cousins in the, 258 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 1: Fourth Russell wilson was Remarkable wisconsin and he went in the. 259 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: Third like there's going to be an undersized quarterback or 260 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: a small school. Quarterback there's a Kid Cole peyton and 261 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: a really good At North Dakota state program which they're 262 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: on MY tv about three times a, year and they 263 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: are big and. Physical is he the? Gem is he 264 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: the guy that's going to, go you know. AROUND i 265 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: mean it feels like about every second to third, Draft, 266 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: bruce we just there's a guy that we didn't spend 267 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: a lot of time talking, about and you'll look up 268 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: and he can. Play is it this? 269 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 4: KID i don't know IF i would in terms of 270 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 4: he's not a really polished. Quarterback he's more in the 271 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 4: mode quite honestly Of Taysom, hill where he's a big. 272 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 4: ATHLETE i, mean he will test very. Well he made 273 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 4: vertical jump around forty. Inches it was really more of 274 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 4: a running, quarterback but he started to blossom a little 275 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 4: bit this past. Year it's funny because probably maybe the 276 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 4: best prospect From North Dakota state is actually the former 277 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 4: Quarterback Trey lance's younger, Brother Bryce, lance who was a big, 278 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 4: receiver and he'll test great and he was a big 279 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 4: play guy in that. Offense BUT i think you'll See 280 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 4: Cole payton end. Up maybe he'll be in the fifth 281 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 4: or a fourth fifth round. Range And i'm interested to 282 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 4: see how people use him because he is a really 283 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 4: big athletic. Guy he's still really, raw and as you, 284 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 4: said in this, DRAFT i don't think there's a ton 285 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 4: of quarterbacks people get too excited. About you, KNOW i 286 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 4: could See Garrett nusmeyer FROM lsu, again the coach's kid 287 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 4: who had a disappointing senior year AT lsu and everything went. 288 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 3: WRONG i could see him. 289 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 4: Generating some buzz here BECAUSE i know people are going 290 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 4: to like him and like his. Makeup the question is like, 291 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 4: Consistency so you're going to probably see some of these 292 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: teams end up maybe reaching a little higher for some 293 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 4: of these guys who maybe didn't you, know didn't do 294 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 4: that much in terms of to help themselves on the, 295 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 4: season but probably ken in the, postseason in the post hot, 296 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 4: post in the draft run, up where people are just 297 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 4: kind of, reaching, going you know, what this is not 298 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 4: a deep. Draft we're going to take a flyer on 299 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 4: somebody in the third or fourth. 300 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: Round, yeah teams need backup quarterbacks. Too Bruce, FELDMAN nfl 301 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: Commin go read His Fernando mendoza. Piece it's fantastic as, Always, 302 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: BRUCE i appreciate my. 303 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: Pleasure thank, You. 304 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: Colin you beat good stuff On Fernando. Mendoza so, yeah 305 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't bother me at. All is that you often 306 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: get it's pretty consistent when somebody like Cam ward is 307 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: a no star quarterback or a two star. Quarterback they're incredibly, 308 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: grateful they're incredibly, driven they're pretty humble because they didn't 309 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: get anything handed to. Them SO i, mean half of 310 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: the five star quarterback, recruits AND i follow this dorky, 311 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: recruiting half of them never pan. Out, now ninety percent 312 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: of the two star recruits never pan. Out but when 313 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: they when you do get that two and three star 314 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: guy that, pops, uh there's almost always humility and, gratitude 315 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: AND i you, KNOW i think personality is a quarterback. 316 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: Trait jmack with the. 317 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: News no no tarn on the. 318 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: News this is the herdline, News. 319 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 6: Hurt The star with everybody's favorite, quarterback C. J, stroud 320 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 6: except when it comes to the. Postseason he had a dreadful, 321 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 6: one turning them all over seven times in two. Games 322 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 6: colin just terrible showing from. Him but rumors have been. 323 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 6: FLYING i don't want to say this show started. Them 324 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 6: but his Agent's David. Mullagetta we remember How mulageda Got 325 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 6: Marca parsons out Of. 326 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 7: Dallas now there's chatter Is stroud going to be on 327 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 7: the move? 328 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 6: Next, WELL Gm Nick, casario The texans shut all that 329 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 6: down yesterday at the. 330 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: Combine it's, moron, like. 331 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: We're not trading the guy's so he's going to be 332 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 3: playing quarterback when he used The texans in twenty twenty. 333 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: Seats so any beyond, THAT i mean, again like that's 334 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: that's your. 335 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: World you guys can expect that. Thought that's, right. 336 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: That's. 337 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 6: Obvious he's not going anywhere this. Offseason that's, obvious but. 338 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: Discussed don't you show us on. 339 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 7: This i'm not saying anything like. 340 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 6: That if you just start putting some bread crumbs, Together, 341 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 6: colin you can start to see like something could be a. 342 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 7: Foot i'll just leave it at. That i'm just curious 343 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 7: where you On. Stroud has he been a top ten? 344 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: Quarterback, WELL i. 345 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: MEAN i was. 346 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: Troubling he just really bad. Turnovers he wasn't as. ACCURATE 347 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: i MEAN i never thought he was super accurate when he. 348 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: MOVED i think he's a guy that you, know if 349 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: he moves a little bit in the, POCKET i think 350 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: he tells a beautiful. Ball but, listen you can't he 351 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: in the, postseason he. Struggled they can't seem to get 352 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: their old line right or their run game. Right If 353 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: Woody marks isn't playing they don't have a run, game 354 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: SO i, Mean i'm the numbers don't. 355 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 6: Lie he did not have a very good. Year he 356 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 6: helped get them back to the. PLAYOFFS i THINK i 357 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 6: believe they started zero to three climbed out of that. Hole, 358 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 6: now the backup quarterback did show well a couple of, 359 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 6: games but Like Nico, collins in and out of the 360 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 6: lineup member due to. 361 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 7: His injuries and the. 362 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 6: CONCUSSION. Cj stroud himself was. Concussed like it was a trying. 363 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 6: Season the fact they got to the playoffs and won 364 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 6: a GAME i thought was. 365 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: Impressive but his touchdowns have gone down every, year and 366 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: IT'S i, mean it was, Interesting like the season and, 367 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: ended he went and got a new look and a 368 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: new haircut and a new, look and he you, know 369 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: he's cycling through some stuff. HERE i like his. Coach 370 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: they've struggled to keep wide receivers and running backs. Healthy 371 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: so not all of it's on. 372 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 6: Him, Yeah, NO i still think would you say he's 373 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 6: top fifteen quarterbacks As? Oh, absolutely but top ten is 374 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 6: a bit rich for your blood. 375 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: Based on the regression over the last two. Years. 376 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 6: Absolutely, yeah interesting story to watch here in the coming. 377 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 7: Years Colin all, right let's go to The. 378 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 6: Vikings, obviously they are still catching heat for Dumping Sam, 379 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 6: darnold who then went on to win A Super. Bowl, 380 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 6: MEANWHILE jj, McCarthy my guy a bit of a struggle. 381 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 6: Bus so he missed his rookie. Year then he came 382 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 6: back in year two and was kind of up and. 383 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 6: Down it was a soft benching as they're calling. It, 384 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 6: anyway THE gm gets. Fired that was McCarthy's, guy and 385 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 6: their NEW evp of Football operations spoke about how the 386 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 6: quarterback situation is being approached this, offseason saying the team 387 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 6: needs a level of baseline quarterback. PLAY i would say 388 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 6: that's a, shot and said he will be casting a 389 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 6: wide net when it comes to improving the quarterback. Play 390 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 6: that's another. Shot so who do you which veteran do 391 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 6: you think they go? After Kyler Murray, Tua Kirk cousins 392 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 6: second tour of duty In minnesota a? 393 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 7: Quarterback i'm not aware of the Mac Jones Malik, willis 394 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 7: what do you think you? 395 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: THINK i think The niner connection To San francisco is pretty. 396 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: STRONG i would guess Mac, jones do you have to 397 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: give up like a three or a? 398 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 7: Five any more than? 399 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 6: That Bro come, on he's on the cheap and he 400 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 6: could be your starter all. Season and, oh by the, 401 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 6: way you're in THE. Nfc the last thing The niners 402 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 6: need Mac jones to go there thrive with koc they 403 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 6: win eleven games to make the. Playoffs i'm sure you 404 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 6: saw the Stat The niners have the most travel of 405 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 6: any team in THE nfl history next season because they 406 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 6: got to go To australia and, like we. 407 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 7: Don't know what's going on with the receiving. Room you're The. 408 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 7: NINERS i don't think you can give up Mac. 409 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: Jones, yeah because Brock purty gets dinged. 410 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 6: Up, yeah being, honest stop taking unnecessary jab at my. 411 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 7: Guy uh Brock. 412 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 6: Purty but in all, seriousness, tua if The dolphins cut, 413 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 6: him you're telling me eight games of. Tuas i'm not 414 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 6: going to pay that. Salary, no, no, no The dolphins are 415 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 6: gonna have to cut. Him, NO i don't think anybody 416 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 6: would take Mac jones over to. 417 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 7: Him what About Kyler? 418 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 6: Murray if The cardinals cut, him you're not, Paying you're 419 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 6: paying bargain basement. 420 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: Deal, NO i don't think he fits What kevin O'Connell 421 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: wants to. Do i'm not, Sure Kyler, MURRAY i think 422 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: he has a. Market it's not a good. One it's 423 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: not good. TEAMS i think the good teams ARE i 424 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: mean IT'S I i think people that have worked With, 425 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: arizona people Like Larry, Fitzgerald Steve, KIME i, mean they've 426 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: Left arizona and they've been frank about what it's. Like you, 427 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: know it's it's not, ideal it's not a it's not 428 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: a great football. 429 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 6: Operation my only concern with McCarthy is Is kevin O'Connell's 430 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 6: clearly entering this, season you, know on a warm. Seat 431 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 6: you go, playoffs you move on From, darnold you, regress 432 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 6: you got to bounce. Back it's a big year for. 433 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 6: KOs i like. HIM i know you like him as. 434 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 6: Well they got to make the right. Decision final story 435 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 6: is a guy we haven't talked about on the show. 436 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 7: In, Weeks Shedore. Sanders. 437 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 6: Colin, yes shad are back in the news because, apparently 438 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 6: according to a new head, Coach Todd, munkin it sounds 439 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 6: like It's Shadeur sanders Against Deshaun watson for the starting quarterback. 440 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 6: Job and here's a What monkett had to say About. 441 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 8: Shadur what you see is elite playmaking ability that's in. 442 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: Him you've seen. 443 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: It we've seen. 444 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 8: It you saw it in, college you saw it on 445 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 8: tape last. Year, sure there's there's a ways to, go 446 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 8: but what rookie ISN'T i, mean what first year player 447 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 8: doesn't have a long way to. GO i think it's 448 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 8: an open. COMPETITION i, MEAN i don't know why wouldn't 449 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 8: be an open. COMPETITION i don't mean that saying it, 450 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 8: harshly BUT i don't think there's enough on film over 451 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 8: the last couple of years. 452 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: One way or the. 453 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 8: Other the same way we have a starter quarterback, yet 454 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 8: whether internally or, EXTERNALLY. 455 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 6: I don't love hearing That shaduur has elite playmaking ability 456 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 6: when the tape from last season shows none of. 457 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 7: That you even said he looked slow trying to, escape. 458 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: RIGHT. 459 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 7: I, mean where's he getting elite? Playmaking? 460 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: COLORADO i would give him the starting job BECAUSE i 461 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: think you want a quarterback in a year AND i 462 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: don't want any excuses if they move Off, shador SO 463 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: i would give him the starting. NOD i don't think 464 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: he's going to be a great. Quarterback he didn't have 465 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: any great. Trades he's not a great. Athlete he's not, 466 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: big he didn't have a huge, arm he didn't have any, 467 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: trades he didn't have a wow. Trade BUT i do 468 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: think he can make. PLAYS i don't think his judgmental 469 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: was great on or off the, field but there's something. 470 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: THERE i, mean everybody in the world knows they want 471 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: to get Arch. Manning their owners connected to The. Mannings 472 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: everybody want to knows. It so let's or, play have some, 473 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: fun stink and see where it. 474 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 6: Lands so that, now now you earlier said that THE 475 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 6: nfl does not have a tanking, thing we now have The. 476 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 6: Browns you're, saying go get Arch, manning The, jets go 477 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 6: get Arch. 478 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 7: Manning, no but that's not the. 479 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: Tankings The jets are going to be bad because their 480 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: coach is, incompetent and The browns are going to be 481 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: bad because they don't have a. Quarterback so why not 482 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: Play shadu or the popular kid who has more big 483 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: play potential Than Dylan. Gabriel that's the. Tanking what About, 484 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: arizona that's what we. 485 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 6: Have aren't they in the same, Boat, like don't Pay Malik, 486 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 6: willis go out, there trot Out queen yours or, whoever 487 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 6: and stink and go for an anything. 488 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: Tanking that's just, listen we're not going to commit To 489 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: malik willis is at. Tanking it's just we're going to 490 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: wait for a. 491 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 6: Quarterback well, wait if you don't have a quarterback and 492 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 6: you don't want to Chase Malik, Willis isn't that like 493 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 6: a soft. 494 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: Tank, no that's like saving your resources for one. Year 495 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: you can, remember it's thirty. Million that's What Sam darnold's. Making, 496 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: okay thirty million dollars for a singular player is a. 497 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: Commitment just BECAUSE i don't want to commit to that 498 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: doesn't make it. Tanking, WELL i. 499 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 6: Guess the argument would, be if you Get Malik willis 500 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 6: at thirty, million he's going to win. 501 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: You six seven and that game, exactly and that's not the. 502 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: Goal arizona's been winning six games, forever thank. 503 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 7: You BUT i guess we quibble over the. 504 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 6: WORDS i just feel like what they're doing is similar 505 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 6: to THE nba not apples. APPLES nba saying we're sitting 506 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 6: our guys. 507 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: Tanking would Be cleveland not playing a Healthy Miles. Garrett 508 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: that would be, tanking not Playing shadu Or, sanders but 509 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: not playing your top three players that would be tanking 510 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: if they're. Healthy just late, scratches that's. 511 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 7: Tanking, yeah they're not doing. 512 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 5: That. 513 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: Yeah jmck with the. 514 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 5: News well that's the, news and thanks for stopping By 515 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 5: The Herd Line news In. 516 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: Chicago It's The. 517 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 2: Herd be sure to catch live editions Of The herd 518 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 2: weekdays in neon eastern non Am pacific On Fox Sports 519 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: RADIO fs one and The iHeartRadio. 520 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: App. Yeah New laker ownership already pushing The lakers in 521 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: a new. Direction Lon rosen has come from The. Dodgers 522 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: he's back to being an executive with The. Lakers and 523 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: they Hired Tony. Bennett uh not The Eye left My 524 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: heart In San francisco. Singer It's Tony, bennett the coach 525 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: Of virginia that built a very successful program despite never 526 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: scoring in the. Seventies but you, Know Brad stevens worked 527 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: with The. CELTICS i could see it. Working you, know 528 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: knows the college. Game lakers have multiple draft picks and 529 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: As Rachel nichols talked about, you she talked about this, 530 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: earlier is if you want to be in The luca, 531 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: business build around. Him you probably can't be in The lebron. 532 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: Business going. Forward Here's. 533 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 9: Rachel there is a big sort of let's go to the, 534 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 9: summer let's get, there let's move. Forward and while The 535 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 9: lakers have Said lebron is welcome back in the, organization 536 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 9: it's very clear that building Around luca does not Involve. Lebron, 537 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 9: JAMES i don't really blame some sort of the lazy 538 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 9: plays or the not getting to the rim as, much 539 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 9: or some of the falling apart that we've, seen BECAUSE 540 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 9: i think everyone's mind on that team is we're going 541 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 9: to fight as hard as we, can but we all 542 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 9: know we're not finals contenders right. 543 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 7: Now. 544 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. NO i mean the other thing that has not only, 545 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: surface but it's become, true and we remarked on this 546 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: multiple times this, week is it can't take a year 547 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: for something to. Work like it can't take a. Year 548 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: Dwayne wade And lebron worked fifteen. Games in fifteen games 549 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: in you're, like oh, crap they're really really, good and 550 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: their styles weren't perfect. Fits katie worked. Instantly they were 551 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: a year in the net ratings are. Bad When lebron 552 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: And luca are on the floor. Together you can't tell 553 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: me you believe in data and analytics and then just 554 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: not use it For luca And. Lebron they're the Worst laker, 555 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: tandem the worst on the, team the worst. Tandem so 556 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: the net, ratings the plus. Minus now When, Luca we've 557 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: been on this now for six, months When luca's on 558 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: the court With Austin, reeves actually it's fine Because luca 559 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: is the clear, attacker he is the clear, centerpiece And 560 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: austin plays off. Him but Asking, lebron an inconsistent deep, 561 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: shooter to play off anybody at this point in his, 562 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: career it's not gonna. WORK i remember the first game. 563 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: Back Remember lebron didn't start the, year he was, injured 564 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: and then he came back for a game and everybody, 565 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: said oh my, god they played together, Great AND i, 566 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: said take a deep, breath it's a. Game Is, lebron 567 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: over the course of the next fifty games gonna be 568 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: fine Being luca's Valet and the answer is. No Austin 569 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: reeves has no. Problem undrafted, guy, grateful, humble he had 570 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: no problem being the valet To. Luca lebron's not gonna do. 571 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: That and the other thing is they've got draft Picks lebron's, 572 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: game it would have fit much Better it would have 573 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: never fit ideally with D wade Or, luca but it 574 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: would have fit much. Better it would have fit much 575 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: better With lucas seven years ago when When lebron was 576 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: still in his, prime because he was still seven eight 577 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: years ago an elite. Defender he's not go look at 578 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: how Many lebron games he's best in the first. QUARTER i, 579 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: mean he's really a very effective first quarter, player but 580 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the juice and the energy to give 581 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: you those forty plus nights on both ends of the. 582 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: Floor so it just it just doesn't. Work and you 583 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: want to be somewhat you want to be classy and 584 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: elegant and little artistic on the, separation but nothing should 585 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: take a. Year it's like if you're, married if you're 586 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: in therapy three times a, week that's too much. Work you, 587 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: know marriage and relationships shouldn't need therapy three times a. 588 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: WEEK i got a year Of luca And. Lebron i've 589 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: got out of Shape luca last year coming off an, 590 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: injury in Shape luca this, year And Austin reeves was 591 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: available both, years So i've got, well they've only played 592 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: so many games. Together that's Because luca's hurt And lebron's. 593 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: Old So i've got more than enough data that tells, Me, 594 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah lebron And luke on the floor, together it's not. 595 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: Great it's bad, defensively and it's not exactly a great fit. 596 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: Offensively so the highest scoring due on The lakers this 597 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: year Is luca And Austin. Reeves lebron And luca are 598 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: the seventh highest Scoring laker. Duo now try to figure that. 599 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: Out how in the hell is that? Possible so the 600 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: future of this franchise IS Jj, Reddick luca And Austin. 601 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: Reeves outside of, That i'd move, everything including the. Furniture 602 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: i'd move. Everything IT'S Jj, Reddick, Luca Austin, reeves AND 603 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: i would Move Austin reeves IF i got the right. 604 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: Offer but it is nice to have a second shot 605 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: creator When luca goes to the bench And austin is 606 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: a bucket, getter a free throw, getter hustles his butt 607 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: off limited, Defensively but the whole damn roster Is But 608 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,239 Speaker 1: i'm not Anti Austin. REEVES i think you can win 609 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: a championship If Austin reeves is your fourth best, player 610 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: AND i think you can get to a Conference. Final 611 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: If Austin reeves is your third best, player if he's 612 00:30:54,360 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: your second best, PLAYER i, mean let's be, honest if you, 613 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: moved if you Let lebron go and you Moved Austin 614 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: reeves and a bunch of picks to Get, jannis wouldn't 615 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: that feel? Better janice And, luca that's actually a great 616 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: fit because you can Protect luke on the back. End 617 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: that's actually a really good. Fit but, YEAH i mean 618 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: it's the numbers are in the. Numbers messy goes To 619 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: miami instantly, Works katie to The warriors instantly. Works it 620 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: can't look like. This Randy moss to The patriots worked. 621 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: Instantly lebron And luca seventh Best laker scoring. DUO i, 622 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: mean it's not much of an. Argument And austin And 623 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: luca number one scoring. Duo so there you. 624 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 3: GO J. 625 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: Mack, SOMETIMES J, MACK i just got to sit you 626 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: down and, say listen to your, mentor here's how the world. 627 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 7: Works self appointed. 628 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 6: Mentor if we're being, real remember a year ago The 629 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 6: lakers were, like oh, shucks you want to trade Us. 630 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 7: Luca of course we'll take. Him we'll figure it out. 631 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 6: Later they Steal luca From, dallas and then now they're 632 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 6: figuring it. Out they're Seeing lebron And luca doesn't quite work. 633 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 7: Together that's. 634 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 6: Fine, Yeah lebron has an existing, contract it ends at 635 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 6: the end of this. YEAR i don't think there's anything 636 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 6: to worry. ABOUT i mean, again like you, said go Get. 637 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 7: Yannis figure it, out find the role. 638 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: Players, well they brought In Tony. Bennett you know. Why, 639 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: yeah they're draft. Picks they're realizing what the league's become 640 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: is What San, Antonio detroit AND okc are draft and developed. 641 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: Teams that's the NEW. Cba and so they Brought Tony 642 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: bennett on like weened to nail these three draft, picks 643 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: assuming you keep him fair fair. Point all, right we're. 644 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: Done check out That Fox sports