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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zi.

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Speaker 3: What Elizabeth?

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Speaker 2: How you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing pretty well about you? How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: You look good?

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Speaker 4: Hanging in there, hanging in there?

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Speaker 2: Listen. You know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Oh girl, I'm glad you asked because I asked you. Now,

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Speaker 3: this is ridiculous, right, yes, it is?

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 3: American elections like this one is? It's ridiculous. It's not

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Speaker 3: like painful tragic. Is the Florida Senate District fifteen special election?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: So Florida Senate like the local state Senate, sure right,

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Speaker 3: They have a District six fifteen special election on Tuesday,

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Speaker 3: June twenty fourth, right, right now. The people running are

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Speaker 3: replacing a longtime state senator after she passed. Okay. The

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Speaker 3: person who initially announced was named Randolph Bracy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then his leading opponent then announced and it was

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Speaker 3: his sister, Lavon Bracy. His sister decided to go against him,

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Speaker 3: and then his mother was there. People are like, well,

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Speaker 3: this is got to be breaking up with the family.

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Speaker 3: She's like, no, I'm going to run my daughter's campaign.

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Speaker 3: So his mother's running his sister's campaign to beat him.

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Speaker 3: It's awesome, and it's like he was like, you know,

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Speaker 3: since he announced first. When his sister announced, he was like,

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Speaker 3: it was disappointing a little hurtful. And people were like,

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Speaker 3: well are you why are you doing? And they asked

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Speaker 3: her lavon the sister. She says, I'm not, you know,

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Speaker 3: running against any of them. I'm running for the people

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Speaker 3: of Senate District fifteen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So and the mom was like, you know, you can

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Speaker 3: see why the mom supports her, And I think, uh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know who wins, but I think she's got

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Speaker 3: the advantage because if you if the people here in

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Speaker 3: the local like mom took come.

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Speaker 2: On, no, your mom's size was you They're like the

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Speaker 2: family hears he's running, it's like we have to do

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Speaker 2: it camp, bringing a team up to absolutely.

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Speaker 3: She was like, I don't know if they had like

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Speaker 3: a super pack for this Florida State Senate that's all

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Speaker 3: the campaign adds would be about.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible, and you know what it is ridiculous, ridiculous exactly.

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Speaker 2: You know what else is ridiculous? Consu So, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: this is ridiculous crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 2: Heis and cons it's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one h ridiculous. I know you've done I've done

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Speaker 2: her that so many times. We've really delved into the

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Speaker 2: mind of the con artist before. Yes, and there's like

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Speaker 2: a certain psychology that allows people to manipulate others. What

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Speaker 2: I find really interesting, because I'm the one talking right now,

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Speaker 2: is that there are certain blueprints, like classic structures for

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Speaker 2: the cons and they get used over and over and

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Speaker 2: over again.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, yes, like there's con tropes, yes exactly, and

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Speaker 5: so we talk about them in rather quick succession and

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Speaker 5: like the grand scheme of things here, but it never

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Speaker 5: ceases to amaze me the people who fall for the

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Speaker 5: oldest scams in the book.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, and I think that's where like

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Speaker 2: the magnetic personality comes in, right, tru con artists.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they get you too distracted from your reasonable mind.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because like the con artist overrides all logic

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Speaker 2: and self preservation in the mark in order for like

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Speaker 2: the scheme to really kick it in that momentary gain,

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Speaker 2: and people who are otherwise smart and savvy, they'll fall

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Speaker 2: victims totally.

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Speaker 3: The smartest possible can fall victims.

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Speaker 2: And we've said it before that, like a lot of

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Speaker 2: wealthy and or powerful victims, they never come forward because

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Speaker 2: they're embarrassed. So that makes me wonder how many con

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Speaker 2: stories are out there that will never know?

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Speaker 3: How many drops are in the ocean, Elizabeth, this is.

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Speaker 2: A really good question. Thank you Elizabeth for asking that.

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Speaker 2: The ones you know, they say, they stay secret, they

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Speaker 2: skirt the law. They've got to be going on right

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Speaker 2: now if you're out.

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Speaker 3: There, I'm running three four right now the same and.

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Speaker 2: The situation that you're in mirrors the con stories we tell.

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Speaker 2: Get help Yea.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I'm not actually a Turkish shrimp merchant.

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Speaker 3: You're not, so if you hear anyone asking about that,

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Speaker 2: Fronting your operation for so long. The problem is when

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Speaker 2: a Turkish shrimp merchant comes to you, like it feels

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Speaker 2: like you're in it, and it feels unique to you,

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Speaker 2: and like you tell yourself all these lies in order

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Speaker 3: That's exactly because like.

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Speaker 2: Dashing comes in and it's like yeah, and so like

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Speaker 2: you know, you see this on various advice subreddits, like

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Speaker 2: when people are so deep into a story they don't

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Speaker 2: get it. Yeah, Like someone posts about their partner or

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Speaker 2: their spouse or like boyfriend girlfriend and they're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we have this great relationship except for just this one

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Speaker 2: they'll say, away, this great relationship, there's just one thing,

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Speaker 2: and then they'll detail what sounds like an actual nightmare

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Speaker 2: of being stuck with his total loser. So like a

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Speaker 2: lot of times a poster finally sees the truth after

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Speaker 2: having written and oh, I saw it in writing or

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Speaker 2: I said it out loud, Others like have to have

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Speaker 2: the red flags pointed to it to him.

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Speaker 4: So like someone's like.

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Speaker 2: My husband's really great except for the fact that he

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Speaker 2: like pouts and refuses to eat whenever I make something

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Speaker 2: he's not in the mood for for dinner, and like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he controls the finances so I can't buy other food.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he also throws the food in the trash

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Speaker 2: and kicks the doors, and he's always like saying really

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Speaker 2: rude things to me and calls me stupid idiot. But

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Speaker 2: we have a great relationships other than that. Yeah, So

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Speaker 2: like those are the.

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Speaker 3: Three times a day when I feed.

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Speaker 2: Him, Those are the kind of everyday people who fall

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Speaker 2: for scams, whether it be financial or romantic.

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Speaker 3: That's the stories you tell yourself exactly.

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Speaker 2: I'm not victim blaming here, no, No, it's always easy

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Speaker 2: to judge from the sidelines because you don't know how

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Speaker 3: We're all susceptible to this dynamic completely.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, I need to shift gears for a second, Sarah,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about Edwardy in Britain.

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Speaker 3: That's quite the downs, Yeah, it is. I like to

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Speaker 3: keep you on your toes totally.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So this was the period of time from the

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Speaker 2: death of Queen Victoria nineteen o one to like beginning

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the beginning of the nineteen hundreds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very short era, but it had these lasting effects

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Speaker 2: and like people are still captivated, especially with the Coats. Well,

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Speaker 2: it was all about conspicuous consumption and like crazy class stratification.

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Speaker 2: So it's like that this glittering surface, but there's a

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Speaker 2: rigid hierarchy outward. Respectability was a big thing, and so

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Speaker 2: the newspapers at the time were filled with stories of

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Speaker 2: like debutantes, extravagant weddings, heiresses coming into vast.

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Speaker 3: Yes, look at their special children.

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Speaker 2: Them and then all the middle class like shopkeepers, bankers,

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Speaker 2: they wanted in on it, not that they could ever

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Speaker 2: achieve it. I'm buying a suit, yeah, but they wanted

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Speaker 2: like fall over themselves to cater to those whims, right,

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Speaker 2: because they wanted long term paye you know, like they'll

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Speaker 2: break for security. Yeah. So meanwhile, there are women of

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Speaker 2: means who did this very like careful dance of social maneuvering.

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Speaker 2: And so they had the right clothes, their accent was correct,

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Speaker 2: a lot of slack. And so then into this world

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Speaker 2: a gal named Violet Charlesworth.

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Speaker 3: Floated, Wait, what was her name?

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Speaker 2: Violet Charlesworth.

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Speaker 3: You know that one of my best friends in life

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Speaker 3: is named charles Worth. They grew up across the street

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Speaker 2: Worth, the Charlesworth family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we used to talk about how rare that

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Speaker 3: name is, like he has to be related to he has.

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Speaker 2: To be so we're going to have to do a

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Speaker 2: deep dog.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this one's for you, Jese to Jay.

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Speaker 2: So she exploited the swells with this astonishing audacity.

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Speaker 3: I love this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jay, I'll be proud love for him, So Violet.

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Speaker 2: She was born May Charlesworth in eighteen eighty four in

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Speaker 2: Stratford Shure, England. She had three older siblings, her mom Miriam,

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Speaker 2: her dad David. He was an insurance agent and a

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Speaker 3: Local class merchant.

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Speaker 2: Insurance. I don't know, yeah, so just like every day

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff. But then I've also, here's the problem

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Speaker 2: with this whole thing. For every fact, they're like alternate

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Speaker 2: facts that get finding the truth in. This is difficult

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like he was Richard and he was a tailor. No,

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Speaker 2: he was David, the insurance.

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Speaker 2: He was like yeah. So violence early years totally average

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Speaker 2: she was known locally for her beauty, like she has

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Speaker 2: and so she and her mother they were very, very close.

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Speaker 2: She's the baby and sometimes in like later press reports,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so there was that kind of a great

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, missus Charlesworth. She reinforced Violet's belief that she

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Speaker 2: her dad, her eighteen year old sister Eileen, and then

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Speaker 2: a chauffeur named Watts who sometimes now people think that

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Speaker 2: might have been Violet's husband. Okay, yeah, rolled into a

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Speaker 2: town called Real on the north coast of Wales. It

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Speaker 2: was like a pretty nice seaside resort town back then.

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Speaker 2: After the chauffeur, I couldn't find anything about this supposedly

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Speaker 2: being the husband, aside from I found this book about

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Speaker 2: like the history of Real, Okay, so there's just like

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Speaker 2: a side note about yeah. And then Violet Charlesworth came

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Speaker 2: oh that's interesting anyway. So they're living at this manor

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Speaker 2: house bod erw Yeah, and so like you, I think

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Speaker 2: you can actually stay there now. So but she like

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Speaker 2: they captivated and she quickly becomes like this local fashion

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Speaker 2: wore this really eye catching red motor cloak. Motorcloak, why

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Speaker 3: by not putting a top on. It used to that

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Speaker 2: Always had her dogs in the car with her fun

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Speaker 2: I bet she had a cool scarf game. She must have.

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Speaker 2: That's like fourteen million dollars today. We've seen this before,

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate you looking out for me now when

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Speaker 2: To me because I don't know about you. But I

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Speaker 3: Do you tell them though, No? No, I mean, like, okay,

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Speaker 3: So you do kind of believe it'll come back, but

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Speaker 3: I just put the sharks on them. If they don't

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you. Yeah, people don't really

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't hang out with it, but I hang

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Speaker 2: The people of real though, they were fascinated by Violet.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I thought she was trying to make up the

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Speaker 2: No, she's base but then she props up her con

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Speaker 2: It was unusual at that time for a woman to

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Speaker 2: named missus Smith. She loaned Violet four hundred pounds, which

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Speaker 2: was pretty much all the money she had in the world,

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Speaker 2: the money's gonna come back plus some. I just you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just hope nothing happens to me in my

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Speaker 2: Another victim was doctor Edward Hughes Jones, and.

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Speaker 3: She come to Jones Jones.

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Speaker 2: She cozied up to him. They even became engaged to

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Speaker 2: be married. Oh yeah, he asked her, asked her for

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Speaker 3: He really did like her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he really did. He liked her, Yeah, smitten. They

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Speaker 2: he loaned her five thousand pounds and she promised to

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Speaker 2: pay it back as soon as she turned twenty five

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Speaker 2: and then like today, that'd be like half a million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Oh snap, make sweetheart, can you loan me that's.

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Speaker 3: More than that's an investment?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but then he watches her just spend the money

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Speaker 2: and other funds like water. The average wage at the

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Speaker 2: time was like one pound a week. Oh wow, Violet

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say, people are going to find that offensive.

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Speaker 2: Sets there's absolutely no way like saddling with.

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Speaker 3: This totally, you're going to waste all my money.

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Speaker 2: You're beautiful, but you're toxic and so but he's like, ps,

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Speaker 2: you still got to pay me back, like my cash,

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Speaker 2: and she comes no surprise that she didn't pay him back,

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Speaker 2: had no intention to do so. She also extorted ten

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Speaker 3: Now is using new suitors to get rid of old suitors,

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Speaker 2: She's like flitting around she's not just in will she

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Speaker 3: Other, but if they do confront her, then she can

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Speaker 3: have somebody perhaps, Oh, dare you go step away?

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Speaker 2: The lady is mine. So over the next three years,

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Speaker 2: reinforce this aura of status, like I have to go

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Speaker 2: do all this charity work, always around, always at the

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Speaker 2: right places. One of the things she'd done was rent

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Speaker 2: a country house near Inverness. It's beautiful up there. The

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Speaker 2: Glen stuff like Tartan everything. Wow, she's absolutely gaga over Scotland,

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Speaker 2: but like chirsty version of Scotland. She bought bagpipes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she's like.

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Speaker 2: She wore traditional Highland dress and I was like, she

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Speaker 3: What's that game? You run with the log and you

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Speaker 3: try to flip it.

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Speaker 2: Caber tossing giant hot dog. She had this player piano

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Speaker 2: only played Scottish music on an endless loop and wow,

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Speaker 2: Scotland stuff in your head twenty four sevens. So about

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Speaker 3: And they did that in Abu Grabe. I mean that's

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Speaker 2: Keep in mind that, like at this time, identity documents

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's hard to confirm. You have to have

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Speaker 2: So a letter that had like respectable letterhead, real or.

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Speaker 3: Forged, Yeah, exactly, good for credit line.

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Speaker 2: So by late nineteen oh eight, her scheme is beginning

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Speaker 2: to unravel, Like merchants who had been promised repayment after

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Speaker 2: they're like, wait, when is this Galsberd.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anybody knows. They're like a big calendar in town.

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Speaker 2: So people are finding out it's like nineteen oh nine,

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Speaker 2: January nineteen oh nine, she's gonna turn twenty five, and

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Speaker 2: so some of them took out writs for unpaid debts,

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Speaker 2: and like gossip starts to swirl in this upper middle

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Speaker 3: This spiders going to the home office, to the home office,

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Speaker 3: but whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the and they're all everyone's talking and pretty

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Speaker 2: soon like someone's gonna file exactly, So they have all

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Speaker 2: this pressure. Violet and her mom are like, Okay, we

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Speaker 2: need to come up with a plan. They're desperate, but

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Speaker 2: this this is so crazy. It just let's take a break. Oh,

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Speaker 2: you got to sit through some ads first. Okay, there's

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Speaker 2: some well, there are plenty more than when we come back,

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Speaker 3: Zaren Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're in the final days of December nineteen oh eight,

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Speaker 2: oh and.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's counting them down. Charles Christmas for everybody, Oh buddy Christmas.

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Speaker 2: She's cornered. She's got this elaborate web of credit that's collapsing.

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Speaker 3: Around, and is she preparing as cover like a big

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Speaker 3: party for herself because she should be excited. No, she's

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Speaker 3: just she should be like doing a debutante ball. She

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Speaker 2: But at this point she's like trying to keep her

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like buying tickets America.

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Speaker 2: Everyone had been charmed by her elegance, you know, merchants

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Speaker 3: Me, yeah exactly, I want to be third in line.

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Speaker 2: And they're starting to get the real rumblings about court action,

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Speaker 2: bankruptcy petitions. They're like following her from city to city.

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Speaker 2: She's bound. Oh so she's creeping up on nineteen oh nine,

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Speaker 2: the years she's going to turn twenty five. In desperation, Violet,

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Speaker 2: her mother, her sister Eileen, and their chauffeur Watts a

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Speaker 2: ka potentially her actual husband or somebody. They all head

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Speaker 2: up to penn mine war In Uh this like village

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Speaker 2: on the Welsh coast. It's known for its rugged cliffs

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Speaker 2: bracing sea air. They checked into the penn mine Wir

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Speaker 2: Hotel on the pretext of like we just want to

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Speaker 2: quiet New Year's holiday.

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Speaker 3: Everybody, Yeah, get away, pill forget about.

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Speaker 2: I like to use old fashioned Edwardian terms, the old terms,

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Speaker 2: the old Chilaxations. It's I'm going to open a shop Chilaxations,

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Speaker 2: and it's just always closed, like.

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Speaker 3: That popcorn kettle corn shop and the kettle corn shop.

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Speaker 2: There's a kettle corn shop in Oakland.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's never opened.

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Speaker 2: The holidays open, Yeah, two hours exact day.

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Speaker 3: Why I have a storefront for four days?

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Speaker 2: Not a lot of store for kettle corn.

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Speaker 3: I don't know another front. I'm suspicious, Yeah, I know

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Speaker 3: I have.

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Speaker 2: I'm suspicious about my.

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Speaker 3: What mob Son fails onn Is this you used to

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Let's go break in, yeah, and then make

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Speaker 2: an episode about her. Okay. So January second, nineteen oh nine,

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Speaker 2: Violet got herself all dressed up for like a seaside walk. Okay,

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Speaker 2: she's looking good. She had this gray walking suit on,

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Speaker 2: like a dark hat. Pins had a pearl brooch, a broach.

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Speaker 2: She's in a great moody.

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Speaker 3: Your family can dress.

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Speaker 2: She was telling people it's my birthday next week. And

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Speaker 2: so she Watts and Eileen, the sister, they were like,

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Speaker 2: let's go for a drive. Why not? Sounds fun?

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 2: So they wanted to go to Colwan Bay, but the

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Speaker 2: day was absolutely gorgeous, So they just kept going all

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Speaker 2: the way to bangor okay, sure, I don't know what

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Speaker 2: that means.

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Speaker 3: Just like like the old Bang, they did not go

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Speaker 2: Old Banger and mash. So all the way back, Violet

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Speaker 2: was like begging, wants please let me drive, and he's like, well,

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00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 2: you know what, you're almost the birthday girl. You go

442
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: right ahead, and he's like, I'll sit next to you,

443
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 2: Eileen backseat. So they like toodled around all day and

444
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 2: then they decided to head back and like about nine

445
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 2: o'clock that night, tragedy strag Oh yes seven.

446
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 3: Yes, close, Oh, tragedy.

447
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 4: I want you to pickure it.

448
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: It's January second, nineteen oh nine, a cold, dark night.

449
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: You are a sixteen year old boy. You're out for

450
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 2: a stroll in the countryside with your dog, a Corgi

451
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 2: named Kevin. Of course it's the Welsh spelling ce f

452
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 2: i n what. You've worked hard all on your family's farm,

453
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: and after dinner and arrest, you and Kevin want to

454
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: take in the night air before you settle down for

455
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 2: the night. You're sensitive type, but you're strong confident. You're

456
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: wise beyond your years, and your dog is super smart,

457
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: and when no one's around he.

458
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 4: Talks to you.

459
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 2: As you crust a small rise, you see something in

460
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: the distance. It's a woman in fancy clothes. She's obviously

461
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: in distress. She runs up to you and breathlessly tells

462
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: you there's been an accident. A car almost went off

463
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: the cliff. She's on her way to the end to

464
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 2: go get help. You tell her to head over there

465
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: and ask for your dad. He's having a pint with

466
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: his mates. Tell him to come quick, you say. You

467
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: and Kevin run toward where she said the accident happens.

468
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: Your feet are swift on the ground. Kevin houffs along

469
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: next to you, his little corky legs pumping away. He

470
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: calls up to you in excitement. How bad do you

471
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: think it is? You tell him it must be very bad.

472
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: It sounds like the car left the road at the

473
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 2: point everyone around calls the devil's thumb. It's where a

474
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: jagged piece of rocks spikes up between the roadway and

475
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: the cliff below the roiling Irish sea. Very bad, indeed,

476
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: Kevin says. You both sprint on. You reach the roadway

477
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: and spot the car. The windshield has been smashed out

478
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,719
Speaker 2: and lies cracked on the ground. It looked as if

479
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: the driver lost control of the car and swerved toward

480
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: a narrow opening in the boundary wall and knock part

481
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: of the wall down. Jumped through the gaps and came

482
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: to a rest about eighteen inches from the edge of

483
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: the cliff. On the ground by the edge of the

484
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: road is a man in a chauffeur's outfit. You run

485
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: to him. He's dazed but not bleeding. You ask what happened,

486
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 2: and he tells you he wasn't driving. The lady was

487
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 2: the one I saw? You ask him, no, He says

488
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: it was Violet. He tells you she was thrown from

489
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: the car. The waves crash on the rocks below, but

490
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 2: you see a flat outcropping. Wait here, you tell the man.

491
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 2: Then you head for the cliff and begin to scramble

492
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 2: down the slope. What are you doing, whispers Kevin. I

493
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 2: need to see if I can save the lady. You answer,

494
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: what's that? The chauffeur asks you, Uh, nothing, you say,

495
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: Then you start down the precipice. The water there's only

496
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 2: a foot or so deep, and there's a steep drop off.

497
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: After that, you wade into the shallows and you look

498
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: around no body. You do find two things. There's one

499
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: of those tartan Scottish caps, a tam O'Shanter, and then

500
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: there's a journal. You flip through the pages, reading by

501
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: the dim light of a full moon on the inside

502
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 2: of the covert, says Violet Charlesworth. The pages are in

503
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 2: a neat script, notes about road trips made to places

504
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: like Sheffield and Edinburgh. You hear someone call your name.

505
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: It's your dad. He's returned with the other lady. The

506
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: local police superintendent and a doctor. Get up here, son,

507
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: your father shouts. You scramble back up the rocks. Anything

508
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: the policeman ask you, You hand him the hat and

509
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: the notebook. No sign of the lady, you tell him.

510
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: He nods grimly. Kevin sits to the side of the scene,

511
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 2: taking it all in. You sit on a low, smooth

512
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: rock next to him. This whole thing is fishy, he

513
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: tells you. Oh, that's for sure, you respond. That driver,

514
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: he tells you he was silent until everyone got here,

515
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: then he started that moaning again. I don't trust any

516
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: of them, you tell him. Then the two of you

517
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: sit silently and ponder the scene, looking out at the

518
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: moonlight on the rough sea beyond, watching the good people

519
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: of your town do the best to find the body

520
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: of a woman taken all too soon. Kevin, Kevin the corky.

521
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: What a tragedy on the eve of her birthday, where

522
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 3: she's about to get great wealth. She's the only victim

523
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: of a car, a single car accident, just the classic

524
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: fell off the.

525
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 5: Clue, don't casket, it's why, God, God, where is your

526
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 5: dark sense of humor taking?

527
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: Please? Kevin, tell me some answers here? So is there

528
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: The initial story was that the car almost went over

529
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: the cliff. Yeah, Violet gets thrown through the windshield into

530
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: the water. Watts was also thrown thrown through the window. Yeah,

531
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: that's what they're saying, is that she just burst through.

532
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: The top splash, just like that was That's.

533
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: What it sounded like. And then Watts he went, he

534
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: fell through the windshield the same time, and then he went,

535
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: oh yeah, he he almost went into the water, but

536
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: he managed to land on the edge of.

537
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: The heped the earth. Yeah, she didn't have that.

538
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: Willpower, and she's just light as a feather and breezy

539
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: and just carried on the wind. Aileen safe in the

540
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: back seat. Yeah, Violet was presumed dead. Now they just

541
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: had to find her body. So generally when there's this

542
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: type of accident, the body washes up not too long after,

543
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: as I've learned, a couple of days, a couple of

544
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: days at most hers didn't show up.

545
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: I thought sharks and like you know, crabs would handle more.

546
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: The press was on it. It wasn't even a week

547
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: after the accident and they were crying feul the Canarvin

548
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: and Denby Harold. They brought the heat on January for real.

549
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, here's the headline. Mystery of the North Wales

550
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: Coast ladies. Remarkable disappearance, wild rumors, strange stories, fresh clues.

551
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: So good. The very long article begins quote it is

552
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: difficult to know what to believe and what to write

553
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: about the pennmind mar Motoring mystery. The police offer no

554
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: explanation of the disappearance of the young lady, and English

555
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: journalists and photographers have visited the spot and played the

556
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: part of amateur detectives to very little purpose. In fact,

557
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: the more one penetrates into the affair, the more problematic

558
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: the solution becomes. But let the story be related. Oh

559
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: so I love they're bagging on journalists coming in from

560
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: England and playing amateur sleuth. But then they go on

561
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: and dedicate an incredible number of column inches to playing

562
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: amateur sleuth and quoting the English papers in their amateur sloothing.

563
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, look, I'm going to amateur sloth. Don't

564
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 3: get in the way.

565
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: Are all amateur sluic? That's okay, Yeah, it's okay, Let

566
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: go into it. Okay. So the paper details what's known

567
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: about the accident and how the family was informed, and

568
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: they were all upset and they left for a home

569
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: in Reel, but yet they didn't request a search of

570
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: the water. They mentioned that a reporter from the Liverpool

571
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: Post interviewed the doctor who said that Eileen and Watts

572
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: were super upset but not really injured. Okay, And they

573
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: try and go interview Violet's parents at the manor house

574
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: in Reel, but they refused to speak with anyone. Most

575
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: of the people they talked to in the reporter him

576
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: or herself say the car didn't really look like it

577
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: was in that bad of an accident. In fact, a

578
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: family friend came and drove it home for them.

579
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: But it was they hit the front of the car

580
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: enough to be thrown through the windshield.

581
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: But there's no damage.

582
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: Works, yeah, and no commensary damage, and the radiator suddenly works.

583
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: One just started up driving, just missing a windshield or

584
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: a windscreen. That's gonna say. So there's a lot of

585
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: speculation in the article about the body. Where is it?

586
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: How in the world does it not turned out you.

587
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: Got to be at least be willing to flip a cart.

588
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: You're gonna pull this star.

589
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: And you were talking about how everything's a convertible, right,

590
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: So they talk about how the cap was found, but

591
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: it didn't add up because a woman out for a

592
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: drive would securely pin such a hat to her head.

593
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: It wouldn't fall off like that. Like this is early

594
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: CSI going deep.

595
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: I like it.

596
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: And then here's the kicker. There's a section in the

597
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: middle of the article with the subheading financial affairs. This

598
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: is when we start to see it.

599
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: It's like a Wikipedia page.

600
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 4: Oh I know.

601
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: Quote. Thursday's post adds that Miss Violet Charlesworth was to

602
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: have been the defendant at the Real County Court on

603
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: the fifteenth of this month, and an action for the

604
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: recovery of a sum of five hundred pounds in which

605
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: she was indebted, and that a leading tradesman in the

606
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: South of England obtained judgment in the High Court against

607
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: the missing young lady for the sum of one hundred

608
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: and ninety four pounds. Inquiries by a correspondent of The

609
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: Star show that during the last twelve months Miss Violet

610
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: Charlesworth incurred liabilities running into several thousands of pounds, and

611
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: that quite recently a London tradesman obtained a judgment against

612
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: her in the County Court for a considerable sum. It

613
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: goes on, they're talking about the trail, yeah, and so

614
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: they also say that one of the tradesmen got telegram

615
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: seven forty five pm Miss Violet Gordon Charlesworth killed in

616
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: motor accident near Conway on Saturday night. That's it. So

617
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: they're like, you know, sorry, and they they're constantly just

618
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: like summarizing what all these other papers say. So it's like,

619
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: well that's you know, it's not us, it's doing this

620
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: crazy slipping. It's them.

621
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: So they're all like pointing at the Daily Mail. Yeah,

622
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: they're the ones.

623
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

624
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: So they talk about how like she leased a house,

625
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: this big hall and she paid and she paid all

626
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: these people to come and decorate it and they she

627
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: never paid any of them. So basically she's in huge

628
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: financial trouble. She also apparently had a big life insurance policy.

629
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: Really huh, And but there was checked Oh yeah, there

630
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: were sightings of her all across England into Scotland, Ireland.

631
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: With the disappearance back of the christ it was.

632
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: Similar, but like no one was buying the story. Everything

633
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: was hanky. Kevin the Corgy totally correct. Kevin new in London, Edinburgh, Liverpool.

634
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: Her creditors are like stunned by this because like some

635
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: were thinking, well, you know, maybe the estate will pay

636
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: the debts, you know, maybe it'll come through. But like

637
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: the smart people they're like, this is all a big fraud.

638
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: There were no clear witnesses accident Philadelphia. Yeah, the local

639
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: constables like they saw the where like the hat and

640
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: the journal were found, and they're like, that's awfully convenient,

641
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: like just to toss off the edge. It looked like

642
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: it was placed there, like not really scattered about. Scotland

643
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: Yards sent detectives to Wales and then there was a

644
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: break in the case from a beautiful windswept town on

645
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: the west coast of Scotland. Let's take a break, fill

646
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: up on some ads, and when we return will head

647
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: to the highlands. All right, Saren Elizabeth Zaren, I'm over here. Hey,

648
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: those ads were good. Huh oh my god, bottomless, bottomless

649
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: ads so good.

650
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: All you can eat.

651
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: All you can take. January ninth, nineteen o nine, a

652
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: telegraph arrived in Real Wales from a village near Oban

653
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: on the Scottish West Coast.

654
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know where any of that is.

655
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: But seems like well to me. It seems like it'll

656
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: get there. But the Scots they're not going to be

657
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: the ones to have a wool pulled over their eyes.

658
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: Thank you very That's what I'm thinking.

659
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: So here's the Northern Daily Telegram at January eighteenth, nineteen

660
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: oh nine, quote Miss Violet Charlesworth, the principal figure in

661
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: the Welsh motorcar mystery, is reported to have been discovered

662
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: in Oben, the tracing of her whereabouts being due to

663
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: the clever work of a Scottish policeman with true Sherlock

664
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: Holmes instincts. He is stationed at Tomberbory, a remote fishing

665
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: village with fifteen hundred inhabitants on the northeast coast of

666
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: the Isle of Mull, which forms part of the County

667
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: of Argyllshire and is only accessible by steamer A four

668
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: hours run up the Sound of Mull from open and

669
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 2: the story of his essay in real detective work is

670
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 2: told in the following letter received by Superintendent Ivor Davies

671
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: of the flintsher police. I would watch the heck app

672
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: on the Isle of Mull like love. Please BritBox Acorn,

673
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: get on this. I need this.

674
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: So.

675
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: The letter goes on to detail that the cops saw

676
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: this lady show up the small village and rent a

677
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: room at one of the hotels there. He'd read about

678
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: the crash in Whales. He was suspicious. I think this

679
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: is Violet, he told the guy who ran the hotel

680
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 2: keep an eye on her correspondence. The letter continues, quote

681
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: she engaged rooms at a farmhouse near this town and

682
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 2: was to have taken possession of this the same week.

683
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: While engaging these rooms, she asked the farmer's wife if

684
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: she would be allowed to keep a Saint Bernard dog.

685
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: She left here yesterday for Oben without paying her bill,

686
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: saying she'd be back on Saturday. The hotel keeper kept

687
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: some of her luggage. When she arrived at this hotel,

688
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: she signed her name in the visitors book as Margaret MacLeod.

689
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: After she left yesterday, the page was found to have

690
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: been cut out of the visitor's book. From the description

691
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: of this lady and the finding of the telegram in

692
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: her bedroom, I am fully convinced this is the missing

693
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: Lady Motorist. Interesting now, the telegram in her bedroom was

694
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: addressed to Violet Charlesworth. Exactly Lady Motorists. I'm the lady host,

695
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 2: the lady host who needs to keep her opinions to herself.

696
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 2: I'll never let that review. So anyway, the lady host,

697
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: Lady Motorist and dear Violet telegram. Okay, So Violet, she

698
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: gets picked up at the Palace Hotel in Oben. So

699
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 2: she's like, I want to rent a farmhouse on this island.

700
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. Can I have a Saint Bernard? But then

701
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: she's like, I'll be right back, and then she just

702
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: goes and picks up. I don't know, but I need

703
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: to talk about how much I love open Please. I've

704
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: been curious about beautiful. They make fabulous whiskey there. Oh

705
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: it's the seafood Capital of Scotland, Zeron, is it really?

706
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: It really is? In putting together my outline for this story,

707
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: on my little bullet points, I went on a big,

708
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: open side quest and it just made me want to

709
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: go back. I love I love it. If Scotland had

710
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: more sunny days, I'd move back in a heartbeat. I

711
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 2: bet it's really the only reason I left. I mean,

712
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 2: I'm a California girl. I need sunshine. I go into

713
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: seasonal effective destort her very easily. I wonder if they'll

714
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: take me as an asylum seeker.

715
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: You know they have those sun visors. You can just

716
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: like hook up on the SAT.

717
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: I could, I totally could, But I need like real

718
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: global warming.

719
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it's stuff's moving, It's I don't make the

720
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 3: sunlight's changing its latitude, but.

721
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: Whatever it might, who's to say, Zaren, I'm not a scientist.

722
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: I'm not either.

723
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: I just leave it to the experts.

724
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: So I just play one in my bedroom.

725
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: Your bedroom, sciences, yikes, Why did I put this in that?

726
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: And I drink it at the voltage no one can

727
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: see me. I gotta make a note of my journey

728
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: invisibility teachers.

729
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: Okay, So open Violet, She's going by miss Margaret McLeod

730
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: and open. The cops come to her, she sticks to

731
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: her story. They're like, we found this telegram addressed to

732
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: Violet in your room. She's like, I don't know what

733
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: that's about. Yeah, who's where am I? Where's my saint?

734
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: I'm Maggie McLeod, her sister and Watts.

735
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: They go to Glasgow, I mean, because like, hello, why

736
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't you And then they go up to Oben to

737
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: verify that it's her. So Eileen sits with her, talks

738
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: to her and goes to the authorities and is like

739
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: that's not right. Gasps go up across the lands and

740
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 2: that's awesome. Yeah, and like.

741
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: No one thinks to question the one that's coming in

742
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: to confirm her, and she goes.

743
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: She's like, well, let me talk to her again. They

744
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: go and have lunch. She goes, actually, like my sister.

745
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: They kept this up for a few days. Like she

746
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: and her sister, who she claimed not to know, went

747
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: back to Glasgow. Then they go to Edinburgh together.

748
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 3: I really wanted to test this.

749
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: Each stop she's harassed by journalists looking for confession, Like

750
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: they get the rooms across the hall right, oh yeah,

751
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: and they pointed out that Miss McLeod, who claimed to

752
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: be Scottish, had a Northern English accent, and like she's

753
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: like whatever, she just kept up through She's like, that's

754
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: not me. I don't know what you're talking about. She

755
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: would constantly know it's not me. Then, on January twenty third,

756
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: the Liverpool Weekly Weekly Mercury ran this heading confession, Oh yeah, quote,

757
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: it is no use my denying it any longer. I

758
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: am Miss Violet Charlesworth of in these words uttered to

759
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: a special representative of the Daily Chronicle in Edinburgh, Miss

760
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: Margaret MacLeod, Oben and Tomer Bory finally threw up the

761
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: game of bluff. She's been playing with such superb assurance

762
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: during the past few days. I suppose I may take it,

763
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: Miss Violet. I said that the incident at Pembermer Point

764
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 2: was invented in order that you might escape the liabilities

765
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: which were pressing upon you. Invented, she exclaimed, raising her

766
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: eyebrows in astonishment. Nothing of the sort. Do you say

767
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: that you were in the car when it started on

768
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: the return journey from Bangor? Was my next question? Of course,

769
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: I was what my sister and Watts told you was

770
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: perfectly true, it was a genuine accident, then how came

771
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: you to disappear wild? When the accident happened, Watts pulled

772
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: me from the seat, I was at the wheel and

773
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: then he slipped down the cliff. My sister Eileen, as

774
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: she has told you, open the door and was thrown

775
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: to the ground. And what happened to you, miss Violet?

776
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: I asked, Ah, you would like to know? I dare say,

777
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: she replied with a playful nod of the head. All

778
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: I can tell you is that I got away from

779
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: the scene of the accident without anyone knowing.

780
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: That's all you can tell.

781
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, So she goes on. She tells the reporter that

782
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: she realized the crash was like a perfect cover to

783
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: make a run for it.

784
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: Okay, but she didn't go with the whole I hit

785
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: my head and have any you know.

786
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: She's like, she's like everything's collapsing around you. And she

787
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: said she loved reading the coverage that she generated, just

788
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: so entertained by it. So her story didn't just take

789
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 2: over the UK press?

790
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: Would you be entertained by that? I know you would

791
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: never like fake your death and run away. But if

792
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 3: you what's say you did? Do you think you would

793
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 3: read the press. Would you be the ted.

794
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe, yeah, I think I might know

795
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: it might how about you?

796
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 3: No, definitely not. I wouldn't. I think we get in

797
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 3: my head. I would. I'd maybe have somebody like read

798
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 3: it for me and tell me if they have anything

799
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 3: key in there that's a giveaway, like, oh no, they've

800
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: got a very important bit of evidence. I'd have somebody

801
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 3: monitoring it, but it wouldn't be mean, like an actor

802
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: not reading my reviews. This again, Yeah, yeah, I got

803
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: to keep I need my confidence. How about the run?

804
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: The first day would bother me, and then you get

805
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: used to it totally.

806
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: I'm trying to manage my head too much.

807
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: What's a good thing to do. I don't. There's no management.

808
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: You can't.

809
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 2: We are without Rudder up top. So she's super entertained

810
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: by the coverage. It's all over the globe because one

811
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: paper said it was big news anywhere that people spoke English.

812
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, but the perspective was a little different.

813
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: So here's the Detroit Free Press in the US of

814
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: A telling it as of February seventh.

815
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: Let's hear a Detroit.

816
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: Headline England upset over one girl, whole country and hysterics,

817
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: says to Violet Charlesworth, the missing motorist. Newspaper hunt through

818
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: Great Britain for her discovered in Scotland seventeen days after

819
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: she quote disappeared to escape creditors. And then here's the

820
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: opening paragraph, London, February sixth. If the myth of British

821
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: phlegm had not been exploded long ago, the history of

822
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: the first eighteen days of January would go far toward

823
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: doing it. During that time, the British press and people

824
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: have devoted themselves with an enthusiasm bordering on the hysterical,

825
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: to the affairs of a young woman who ran away

826
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: January second to escape from her creditors and managed more

827
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: or less to hide herself until January nineteenth.

828
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: Wow.

829
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have the sand over.

830
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: There, flem as in like Calmn September. Yeah.

831
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 3: I was thinking, like the old four temperaments.

832
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: Like me, Yeah, what a piece.

833
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: They're going to hysterics and I know what that means.

834
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: Yeah at that time, like a bunch of ladies. But

835
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: you're also running the big headline Detroit Free Press like me.

836
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: Look in the mirror. Okay, guys, everybody think about that,

837
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: so the papers covered absolutely every development. I do need

838
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: to point out that someone got cheeky about that time

839
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: and named a racehorse Violet Charles Ruth, which made for

840
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: very interesting newspapers dot com perusing. It was just like

841
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: the like betting lines of like twelve to one.

842
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 3: Okay, you're getting the headlines of like yeah Charles.

843
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: So while waiting to go to trial, she made sure

844
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: to stay in the spotlight. She gave interviews with national

845
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: papers Daily Mail got to do it. She wrote a

846
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: song about her faked death called Goodbye Girly what and

847
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: then had the lyrics printed in the paper Hell.

848
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: Yes, rights you do.

849
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: Zodiac never did that. There was a stage show written

850
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: about her, and then she debuted at the London Hippodrome

851
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: playing herself.

852
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: Are you kidding? She did the Jackie Robinson I'll Play Myself.

853
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: A silent movie deal in which she was going to

854
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: play herself.

855
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, did agree to direct.

856
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was right there.

857
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 3: Well he was in the twenties and Britishilman.

858
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't him. Now people refer to her as an

859
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: a Dwardian influencer. Really yeah, because that was basically what

860
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: she's doing. Well, the police investigation continues. They discovered that

861
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: she owed a grand total of twelve thousand pounds to

862
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: people from whom she'd borrowed money, and another twelve thousand

863
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 2: in stock market liabilities, and she was eventually declared bankrupt.

864
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 3: I mean naturally obvious physically.

865
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: Her social currency was also running out, so she had.

866
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: Terrible had any left.

867
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: She had a terrible stage fright, and like doing the

868
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 2: play that's about her, And then she kept getting booed

869
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: off stage by audiences night after night.

870
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: That would getting booed playing yourself. She was not meant

871
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: for this, meant for the stageless.

872
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 2: I can see how like that would give you stage

873
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: right if they're just constantly booing you.

874
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: Well, I'll give you more than stage You could play

875
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: me better.

876
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: Than me, dumb dumbs and they're like anyone else.

877
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: Stage that's like confirmation stage confirmation. You don't belong here.

878
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: You're bad at you. February nineteen ten, she and her

879
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: mom appeared at Derby Police Court on three separate charges

880
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: unlawfully incurring a certain debt and liability to Martha Smith,

881
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: the widow Smith oh Right Good to the amount of

882
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: four hundred and one pounds by means of fraud other

883
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: than false pretenses. They got charged with obtaining by false

884
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: pretenses in November nineteen oh eight, the same sum of

885
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: money from Martha Smith with intended to fraud, and the

886
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: last one fraudulently conspiring to obtain from Martha Smith and

887
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 2: Edward Hughes Jones, the Doctor the Bow certain large sums

888
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: of money. So Miriam the mom was like, you know what,

889
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: I was the one conned. Violet conned me the mom

890
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: her mom. Yeah, I think we now know the mom.

891
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we always knew.

892
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 2: There was a huge care the one who coached. Yeah,

893
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: I thought she was getting that cartoon money. Yeah. Come on.

894
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: So there's this huge crowd there. They all want to

895
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: get in see the circus in the courtroom. Missus charles Worth.

896
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: She comes in dressed in black and wears like a black.

897
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: Bonnet, mourning the loss of her own life, yes.

898
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: And of course and the loss of her trust and

899
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: her daughter who conned her. According to the papers, she

900
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: seemed very distressed. She had to be assisted to her

901
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: seat by a police matron. Violet was reported to be

902
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: like very pale and appeared to be ill, and she

903
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: just cried the whole time, she wore like a really

904
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: big black hat, you know, kind of subdued.

905
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 3: Big at okay, yeah, and then a.

906
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: White feather boa get it girl, like just go for it.

907
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: You need a little bit.

908
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 2: Let's do it, Mama and I guess like they both

909
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: were like sick in some way, Like the Mom's like

910
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: I've heard trouble stressed. Violet, it's like I have the

911
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: Sunday scaries, you know. So February twenty third verdict is

912
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: in the jury thirty minutes of deliberations. That's bad, found

913
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: them both guilty of conspiracy and false pretense.

914
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like we just need enough time to go

915
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: around the room.

916
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the judge is like, guess what, Mom, I

917
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: got your number. You were the mastermind. But also Violet,

918
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: you were a willing participant, so you're both terrible people.

919
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: They get sense to five years penal servitude. Miriam like

920
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: literally swooned. The police matron on hand had to tend

921
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: to her like dab her brow and keep it falling.

922
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Viole. Violets sat there like in a daze,

923
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: like completely still as the verdict was read and like

924
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: kind of staring off into the distance. And then she

925
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: gets up to leave the courtroom and she sees her

926
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 2: sister and like gives like a faint smile and then

927
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: is escorted out and kind of creeped everyone up. They

928
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: later had their sentences reduced to three years. They tried

929
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: to appeal that got denied. They were sent to Aylesbury Prison,

930
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: which is one of the few ones that was equipped

931
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: to hold women for long sentences. The prison registers described

932
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: Violet as quote healthy, neat in person, reserved in manner,

933
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 2: it was good, and that a prison inspector's report said

934
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: that she quote bears her sentence with unusual calm, engages

935
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: in no misconduct, but converses little with her fellow inmates

936
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: and like a lot of people thought she was just

937
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: relieved because it was so exhausting. Yeah, there's that too.

938
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: So records show that she got out after serving two years,

939
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: likely for like a good behavior, and people don't really

940
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: know what happened after that. So there are some reports

941
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: that she went to live on the Isle of Man.

942
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 2: Most say she went to Scotland to live out her

943
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: days because she was so obsessed. But the UK Genealogy

944
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: Service find My Past they believe that her mother, Miriam

945
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 2: died in Lancashire in nineteen twenty and then they pulled

946
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: a death record for a May Charlesworth in Stoke on

947
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: Trent in nineteen fifty seven. So her legacy does live on. Yeah,

948
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: the spot where she crashed the car is now called

949
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: Violet's Leap. Wow, there you go, Saren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

950
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 3: My friend Jay's family's crazy. That's why you know Jay,

951
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 3: I had no idea you had it like that. Now.

952
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that. Also, it was the you said earlier,

953
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 3: the Edwardian influencer, and I kind of like poop poo

954
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: died at first. I thought about it while you were

955
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: telling the story, and I think your spot on in

956
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 3: terms of it, she really was like an early influencer.

957
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: But like she would have been a huge star. She

958
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 3: would have been able to have a TV show or

959
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: some kind of streaming series or like a podcast that

960
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: everybody talks about. You don't call her violin.

961
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 2: You know, all the right outfits.

962
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you said she was stylist, she said, you know,

963
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 3: and she's well trained by her mother. So we see

964
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 3: that Kardashian like, oh, like, my mother is a celebrity

965
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: and she trained me to do this lifestyle.

966
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, she's an a dwarding Kardashian.

967
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I think she would have been. She's she's okay,

968
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 3: the same way that Woody Allen is lucky that he

969
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: was born when he was born, she's unlucky that she

970
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: was born and she was born. She just had like

971
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: another century.

972
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, huge.

973
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: She might not have ever even had to do any

974
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 3: of this getting married. All this behavior would have been rewarded,

975
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 3: and that we would all talk about her marrying one

976
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 3: of the most richest people in the world.

977
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: Totally good points.

978
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: You'res Elizabeth. You see how he did. That's all smooth

979
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 3: like it It was really clever. You didn't see it coming.

980
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 4: I know.

981
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: I can tell I again go back to my thing

982
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: about it's the same like blueprint every time. And so again,

983
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: if someone's like I'm going to come into an inheritance

984
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: or like my stocks will realize at a certain time,

985
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: I don't believe them. If it's other people's money too.

986
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,479
Speaker 3: Definitely that and also things that don't exist don't exist. Yeah,

987
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: so someone said tells you it's about to happen, it

988
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 3: doesn't exist exactly what it does exist, Then you can

989
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: do something about it.

990
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 4: Until that point.

991
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: I like that.

992
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 3: I'm a simple man, Elizabeth.

993
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 2: I need a talkback. I'm simple, I need a talkback.

994
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 3: Oh God, I love.

995
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 6: Hey's Aaron and Elizabeth listening to the Minor League episode.

996
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 6: I couldn't help but remember the minor league team in

997
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 6: my hometown, New Orleans. For a long time, they were

998
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 6: the Zephyrs, and they had two giant nutrient as their mascots.

999
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 6: But now they're the baby Cakes and they have the

1000
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 6: most scary haunt you in your nightmares mascot. It's a

1001
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 6: kincake baby that looks like it drove around with chewy

1002
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 6: meth raccoon.

1003
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: The Baby Cakes like T shirt. I love that. Oh

1004
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 2: that's so good. Thank you for that.

1005
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 4: Oh.

1006
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: I do need to mention too that we have a

1007
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: special award, the a Ridiculous Crime Heroes Award, that we

1008
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: don't really ever give out, but something that you know,

1009
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: we talk about the emails, right, We do appreciate that

1010
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: and we greatly We don't no one answers them, but

1011
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 2: we do read them totally. And so Beth from Western

1012
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: Massachusetts is a ridiculous crime hero. Yes, because Beth started

1013
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: listening to the show a couple of weeks ago and

1014
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: powered through Binge listens yes, all the way through, Like

1015
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: I'm talking like seventy eight episodes every day. I don't

1016
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: know how I didn't annoy her.

1017
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 3: I can't believe voice.

1018
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: But she she was loving it, and she gave us updates.

1019
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 2: We got like nine emails from Beth the like daily updates,

1020
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: and it was we we been binge the emails. You know.

1021
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: We figured if she's going to binge, just we should

1022
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 3: binge her. It was awesome.

1023
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 2: So, Beth, we do read the emails.

1024
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 3: You read all your email.

1025
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: No one ever answers. We read all the emails that

1026
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 2: come in get read. They just don't get and they.

1027
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: Don't always get read aloud. But we read allowed to

1028
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: each other.

1029
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Beth, it was so much fun.

1030
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 3: We started looking forward to them. We're like, oh, we

1031
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 3: got a new one, Beth.

1032
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 2: Best crime hero.

1033
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 3: There you are.

1034
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: Let's see. That's it for today. You can find us

1035
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: online at Ridiculous crime dot com. Did you know we

1036
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: just won the American Chemical Society's Garvin Olin Metal for

1037
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: the website.

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00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 3: I'm so proud.

1039
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: It's for achievement in Women in Chemistry.

1040
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 3: I can't wait to tell my mother.

1041
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 2: God, she be so excited. She's she loves coding, shes

1042
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 2: chemistry too. Everything is always like metals, you should.

1043
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 3: Learn to chemistry. I'm like, you mean learn to coade.

1044
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 3: She's like, no, learn to chemistry.

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00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: American Chemical Societies, Garvin Olin Metal. I love that's going

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00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: on my resume. We're also at Ridiculous Crime on Blue

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1048
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 2: Email Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. Please and then

1049
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 2: leave us at talkback. I think that's my most important part.

1050
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 2: I want to hit that up the hardest. Leave it Talkback,

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00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,080
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00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 2: and Sarah Burnett, produced and edited by Prince of Wales

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Speaker 2: and Dolphins Dave Cousten, starring Annals Rutgers.

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Speaker 4: Judith.

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