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Speaker 1: Hello, Texans, Welcome to the program Texans All Access. Mark

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Speaker 1: Vandermere and John Harris with you where we always talk

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Speaker 1: many of you listening that way. Anyway, Good evening, Johnny.

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Speaker 1: How's it going.

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Speaker 3: It's going great. Just finishing up, trying. I shouldn't say

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Speaker 3: finishing up.

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Speaker 4: Nothing's ever finished, okay, but I'm going through my running

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Speaker 4: backs for the draft right now, and it is a

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Speaker 4: tremendous class.

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Speaker 3: All right, what's the amendous class?

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Speaker 1: I have so many questions, and I have the direction

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Speaker 1: I do want to go tonight. It's not just going

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Speaker 1: to be Stream of Consciousness Radio as usual. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Alexander is going to be on the show a

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Speaker 1: little bit later. It is a Top three Tuesday, so

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Speaker 1: I have a Top three topic as well.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that. But since you're on the subject here.

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Speaker 1: Is the Harris one hundred out yet or do we

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Speaker 1: wait after the combine for that?

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Speaker 4: It'll probably come out after the combine. It's always in motion,

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Speaker 4: but the official unveiling of the first version for draft

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Speaker 4: will be probably after the combine. What's taken all the

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Speaker 4: information that you can that I can get in and

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Speaker 4: usually combine is kind of the the final, like real

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Speaker 4: piece to put in. There's pro day stuff to put in,

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Speaker 4: but for the most part, I get it, uh, get

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Speaker 4: it already. I'm I'll tell you what though, I'm I'm

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Speaker 4: kind of struggling. Who is going to be my number one?

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Speaker 4: Number one overall?

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Speaker 2: Number one? Yeah, oh, I've got it for you. That

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Speaker 2: Bill Carter number one.

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Speaker 3: That's where I'm leaning. Is that That's where I'm leaning.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you, this is he Trayvon Walker or

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Speaker 1: is oh Ayton Hutchinson.

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Speaker 4: He's closer to Aiden Hutchinson, but he's close syst to

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Speaker 4: Mike Parsons.

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Speaker 2: But let's so let's just go back to Walker for

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Speaker 2: a moment.

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Speaker 1: Who has played or as his career has progressed here

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Speaker 1: but number one overall? Pickworthy? Probably not, but it's not

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Speaker 1: a bust right right? So Walker going into that draft,

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Speaker 1: and there was a debate Walker Hutchinson, right, But with

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Speaker 1: Abduall Carter, is he consensus number one?

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Speaker 2: Or is it Travis Hunter? Because it's sexy that he's

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Speaker 2: a corner and a receiver, and oh my.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, what is it?

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Speaker 4: It's I'm seeing, I'm seeing I'm seeing a few more

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Speaker 4: people lean towards Abduall Carter as the number one, But

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Speaker 4: to me, it's it's you know, Abdual Carter Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 4: And I know running backs aren't the sexiest thing in

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Speaker 4: the world, but my god, you cannot watch Ashton Genty

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Speaker 4: from Boise State and not go, dude, he's one of

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Speaker 4: the best football players in the draft.

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Speaker 1: And does Saquon Barkley's success and just doing what he

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Speaker 1: did this postseason run. I know the Super Bowl wasn't

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Speaker 1: that help a guy like Genty? As you say, hey,

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Speaker 1: running backs do mean a lot. Obviously they have always

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Speaker 1: meant a lot, but you remember the diminishment of the

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Speaker 1: Derek Henry, Joe Mixon doing so well that probably helps

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Speaker 1: the guy like Genty in his drafts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it does.

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Speaker 4: I think also you're just looking at a dude that's,

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Speaker 4: I mean, seemingly superhuman.

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Speaker 4: I remember there was a four Boise State running back

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Speaker 4: And to me, they're they're kind of not even the

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Speaker 3: But Genty is.

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Speaker 4: Like him in that he is like guys bounced off

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Speaker 4: of him. He makes guys miss. He's got tremendous speed.

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Speaker 4: His contact balance is the best I maybe I think

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Speaker 4: I've ever seen. He broke more tackles this past year

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Speaker 4: And the only guy that was close to him was

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Speaker 3: I think there are a couple of things at work here.

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Speaker 4: Number One, Barkley having a great year and how that

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Speaker 4: Maybe we can do this with the running back, maybe

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Speaker 4: even in the first round. We could do this with

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Speaker 4: with gent in the first round. DJ Daniel Jeremia just

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Speaker 4: put out at second Monck Draft. He has three running

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Speaker 4: Stroud's teammate at Ohio State, Trevion Henderson. I felt like

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Speaker 4: he slipt on for three years. I kept seeing and

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Speaker 4: He's a dude, and he showed it this year. He's

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Speaker 4: got a ton of explosive ability. But here's where it

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Speaker 4: gets kind of interesting for these running backs because you

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Speaker 4: mentioned the guys you know change teams.

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Speaker 3: None of those guys got paid exorbitant amount of money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you draft one of these running backs high

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Speaker 4: in the first round, like Jenty in particular, you're gonna

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Speaker 4: pay some pretty good money for him. So you know

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Speaker 4: the Falcons are doing that with Bijeon. You know they

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Speaker 4: took Bijon what six seven overall. By the time these

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Speaker 4: are his third fourth year of that contract, it's could

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Speaker 4: be a pretty significant, significant number. But this is the

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Speaker 4: best class that I have ever studied, ever, ever in

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Speaker 4: running backs. I'm telling you there's there's depth. There's a

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Speaker 4: stud at the top and then between Caleb Johnson Iowa

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Speaker 4: at North Carolina. You got to see this guy. He

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Speaker 4: looks just like Joe. He wears twenty eight. He looks

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Speaker 4: just like Joe. Like if you took the jersey, you're like, oh,

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Speaker 4: that's Joe Mixon. No, no, no, that's a Marion Hampton. H

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Speaker 4: scadaby who he mentioned Quinjon Judkins. I mentioned Henderson to

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Speaker 4: two from Ohio State. Even the depth beyond that, like

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Speaker 4: I love a guy like what he marks from out

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Speaker 4: here and let him compete. You know, we talked all

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Speaker 4: the time about you know, okay, there's Joe, but a

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Speaker 4: going to be highly productive. Where do we sit on

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Speaker 4: a Damien Damian A really good game against Tennessee. You know,

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Speaker 4: is there a future as a number two back or

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Speaker 4: is there somebody a little bit more dynamic that you

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Speaker 4: want to get that maybe helps you a little bit

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Speaker 4: war and third down gives you a little more speed.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but if you're going to go get

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Speaker 4: a running back, this is a draft to get it.

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Speaker 4: This is a stud I think it's a stud filled class.

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Speaker 2: Is it the best position group in the draft so

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Speaker 2: far that you've know?

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Speaker 4: No. The only reason I would say interior defensive line

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Speaker 4: or defensive line in general is because I think that's

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Speaker 4: that's probably a higher valued position. And it's deep, Like

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Speaker 4: it's really deep at defensive tackle in particular, that that

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Speaker 4: position's crazy deep. So I would say, to me, defensive line,

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Speaker 4: running back, tight end, those are all really really good.

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Speaker 1: Receiver stack up here. See I'm asking for a friend.

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Speaker 3: I know. I see. I think defense.

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Speaker 4: I think receiver is a lot better than people want

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Speaker 4: to want to believe it is. Oh like last year,

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Speaker 4: we all knew was Roma dunes Ay, Marvin Harrison, and

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Speaker 4: Malik Neighbors. We knew those three, like three top not

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Speaker 4: everybody's like, oh, look at his receiver class.

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Speaker 3: These three guys and it turned out that way.

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Speaker 4: You throwing Brian Thomas into the mix, and it was

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Speaker 4: a really, really, really good class. To me, this class

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Speaker 4: gonna be looking for. And I think that's where it

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Speaker 4: helps the Texans because I think they can get same.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've seen a lot of mock drafts, like

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Speaker 4: even mine, I had a Meca Buca.

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Speaker 3: That's what DJ had today, a Mecha Buca. Lance had

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Speaker 3: a Meca Abuka.

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Speaker 4: I think there are a lot of things about a

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Speaker 4: Mecca that that are gonna be very favorable for the

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Speaker 4: Texans to be listed as mock drafters of him, you know, football, character, character,

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Speaker 4: off the field. Just he straight up swore me. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna you'll love everything about him. I've compared him

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Speaker 4: what I what I would I would love to have

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Speaker 4: a younger Robert Woods or just Robert Woods in general.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And that's why I think you get with a Buka.

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Speaker 4: And obviously the connection you's had with CJ in years

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Speaker 4: past that helps as well. But you could take a

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Speaker 4: defensive tackle position where it's loaded. But you can probably

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Speaker 4: get a really good value of a player at twenty

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Speaker 4: kind of got to weigh all those different options, and

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Speaker 4: I know Nick and the staff and Demiko be wearhing

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Speaker 4: all those options.

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Speaker 3: But I think wide receiver I think.

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Speaker 2: Is still really good.

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Speaker 4: And in large part, if you think about it, it's

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Speaker 4: all numbers. Colleges are running eleven personnel, even ten personnel

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Speaker 4: a lot of the time. They're just more receiver bodies

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Speaker 4: so when you kind of flood the system, if you will,

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Speaker 4: with that many players of that position, you're gonna have

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Speaker 4: some that stand out. To me. It's Travis Hunter, it's

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Speaker 4: to term to TAROA McMillen. Then the next group is

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Speaker 4: Abuca Burden, Matthew Golden.

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Speaker 3: I love Golden.

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Speaker 4: And then after that, you guys are obviously you're at

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Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl. Jack Besch from TSU is phenomenal to

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Speaker 4: Senior Bowl. I love Jalen Knowle a little bit more

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Speaker 4: of a slot receiver from Iowa State. Two guys from

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Speaker 4: Iowa State are tremendous, Jade Higgins and Jalen Noel.

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Speaker 3: Those guys are tremendous receivers.

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Speaker 4: One kind of a smaller slot type, the other are

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Speaker 4: kind of a big bodied, you know type. If you

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Speaker 4: put those two with hutch you'd have a B and

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Speaker 4: C slot type Hutchkin in the middle and Higgins the

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Speaker 4: bigger receiver. So I just think you can get a

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Speaker 4: lot of really good receivers on day two, even early

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Speaker 1: So I think the receiver group for the Texans, and

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Speaker 1: it's early, but with what happened with Diggs yesterday or

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Speaker 1: However you go about it, I would be another tight

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Speaker 4: I said this, and you know this because about halfway

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just just looking at my group of

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Speaker 4: I really, I really like this this tight end class.

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Speaker 2: Right, You still need you do need, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: You did a good job.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for round draft choice, it always works, right

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Speaker 1: And that can apply to any position. Really, you get

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Speaker 1: right because a trade for Digs, a trade for Mixing,

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Speaker 1: signing Daniil Hunter, those are the big three from last year,

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Speaker 1: among others. But that was real eye opening. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they pull off that kind of thing again. I

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Speaker 1: guess you never know. If they do trade players that

441
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Speaker 1: they have and you take those contracts off your hands

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Speaker 1: for teams that need those players, and then I think

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Speaker 1: you can open up some things for some free agents

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Speaker 1: or extra draft picks or however they want to handle it.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question about free agents.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 4: It's it's been a couple of articles, and it's a

448
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Speaker 4: little bit disconcerting because I look at it and go

449
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't do this at all. But these articles now

450
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Speaker 4: coming out a cut candidate from every team just like

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Speaker 4: the other day, Greg Rosenthal had trade target trade targets,

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Speaker 4: and I would not think about trade Titus Howard. But

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Speaker 4: Titus Howard was listed. Yeah, in two of them, the

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Speaker 4: two that I saw, it's they had the same guy listed,

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Speaker 4: and I wouldn't do this at all, because when he's healthy,

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Speaker 4: I think he's a monster. They had Deniko Autry listed

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Speaker 4: as cut candidate. Oh, I didn't look at at all.

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Speaker 3: Now you know, you know me and I mean you

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Speaker 3: know us.

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Speaker 4: We're not gonna be happy about you talking about anybody

461
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Speaker 4: getting cut from the Texas, but it is the.

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Speaker 3: Business of football, so it's gonna happen. But both articles,

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Speaker 3: I ended up breening, I just go right down to Houston, like,

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Speaker 3: all right, what do you got.

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Speaker 4: Both of them had Denikoachris I'm not candidate as a

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Speaker 4: cut candidate, and then they started kind of listening to

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Speaker 4: the numbers. All he pointing played in ten games and

468
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Speaker 4: least started two. Whatever, I'm like, but when he's on,

469
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Speaker 4: when he was on the field last year, this past year,

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Speaker 4: he and will and Danil and Mario and Settle, they

471
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Speaker 4: wrecked shop in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Deniko was really difficult to block.

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Speaker 4: So I understand people look at the they look at

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Speaker 4: the money, and they look at our cap situation, and

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Speaker 4: there's enough money to do it.

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Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he signed a two year, twenty million dollars contract,

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Speaker 4: so one year down, one year left to go. I

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Speaker 4: just don't know that you get an immense cap value

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Speaker 4: by letting him go.

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Speaker 1: Well, remember, don't get it Derek Barnett as a free

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Speaker 1: agent again, right, I mean, obviously you're set at the

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Speaker 1: edge as far as starters go, right, But this team,

484
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Speaker 1: it's not about the starters only.

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Speaker 2: They need a rotation.

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Speaker 1: They want the guys coming off the sideline to wreak

487
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Speaker 1: havoc like Barnett, like Autry's capable of doing right. So

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Speaker 1: if you let Autry go, according to those articles, right, uh, now,

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Speaker 1: what do we do? Obviously they're not done yet. You

490
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Speaker 1: know they're gonna together a team, but you got to

491
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Speaker 1: replace him. You have to replace what you want to

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Speaker 1: get out of him. You got to replace Barnett what

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Speaker 1: you want to get out of Barnett. Right now, maybe

494
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Speaker 1: Barnett's back, who knows, but I guess it would free

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Speaker 1: up some money. And you're not talking about huge money

496
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Speaker 1: as far as a reserve player. On your defensive line.

497
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Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't see when he was

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Speaker 1: down the field.

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Speaker 2: Noticeable.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean he just goes to work against offensive linemen, guards, tackles.

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Speaker 3: It does a matter who.

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Speaker 2: Suspension plus the injuries made it a rough season.

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Speaker 3: It did, It did.

504
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Speaker 4: But again, when he was ready to go at the

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Speaker 4: end of the year, like we talked about, just be

506
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Speaker 4: ready to go for the playoffs. I thought in the

507
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Speaker 4: playoffs the two games he was, he was really difficult

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Speaker 4: to block. So if you ask me and I hear

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Speaker 4: this all, it makes a lot of sense. If you're

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Speaker 4: gonna gripe and complain about something, then how do you

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Speaker 4: what would be your You know, I don't really want

512
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Speaker 4: to give you cut candidates for the Texans. I just

513
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Speaker 4: feel like there would be other people and other things

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Speaker 4: I would consider over cutting Deniko Autry. I think that's

515
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Speaker 4: absolutely foolish now, trades things like that.

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Speaker 3: HM, okay, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Gonna listen, and you you know that, you know the

518
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Speaker 4: man upstairs is gonna be listening to his phone's probably

519
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 4: been buzzing for weeks already about Hey, would you do this?

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Speaker 4: Would you want to do that? I guarantee he will

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Speaker 4: tell us to combine and yeah, I've talked to every team.

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Speaker 4: We talk about everything. We throw things out there, we

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Speaker 4: discuss and we go on. Right, just don't do any

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Speaker 4: Nicco Harrison trades. Yeah, he is going to get a

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Speaker 4: lot of contact.

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Speaker 2: They all do.

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Speaker 1: They all talk about possibilities and then they make their

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Speaker 1: moves when free agency starts. And we'll definitely be with

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Speaker 1: you with those moments, no question about it. You know,

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Speaker 1: we didn't even get to what I wanted to get

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Speaker 1: to today, but we could save some of it for Jonathan.

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Speaker 1: Which is the AFC South storylines heading into free agency

533
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Speaker 1: because this is a time of year in the NFL

534
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Speaker 1: where there's so much mystery. Where's Sam Darnold going? Now,

535
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Speaker 1: this doesn't apply to the Texans, although it could maybe

536
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Speaker 1: he ends up in Tennessee. So it becomes an AFC

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Speaker 1: South storyline because what are the Tennessee Titans going to

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Speaker 1: do about quarterback? Hey, what are the Indianapolis Colt's going

539
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Speaker 1: to do about quarterback? Because you know who cannot stay

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Speaker 1: on the field and if you're running. Chris Ballard knows this.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't feel comfortable with that. He doesn't feel like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're set with Anthony Richardson for seventeen games.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 4: He's going to have to have another, well, not really

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Speaker 4: a solution, but you I've already I've already said I

546
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Speaker 4: think the Colt should sign Justin Fields and then I

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Speaker 4: don't like that at all. First, that offense around those

548
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Speaker 4: two guys, whoever starts arts and a way you go.

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Speaker 3: But that could work for them.

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Speaker 2: I know, I don't like that idea at all.

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Speaker 3: I'm just an idea guy here. Already.

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Speaker 2: Give that idea a ballard.

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Speaker 4: It's just a great ideas for the wrong team, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think that's that's what I would

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Speaker 4: do if I were them.

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Speaker 2: What do you do if you're the Steelers?

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Speaker 3: Man, that's a tough call.

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Speaker 2: I don't see Aaron Rodgers there, I know.

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Speaker 4: I mean Tomlins handled some mercurial talents at receiver for

560
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Speaker 4: a long time.

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Speaker 1: Now you throw your quarterback in there. I just think

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Speaker 1: that's you know what that reminds me of. You know,

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Speaker 1: what's the Colts we're doing with Philip Rivers and Wentz

564
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Speaker 1: and Matt Ryan. You know you're throwing in Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Now let's throwing Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 4: But they tried to draft Kenny Pickett and that lasted

567
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Speaker 4: the year and a half, you know, so, And I

568
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Speaker 4: mean he's right there in your building, on the other

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Speaker 4: side of.

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Speaker 3: The wall, and you got it wrong.

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Speaker 2: You mean Kenny Pickett, who has a ring? Okay, So,

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Speaker 2: David Carr, it's one of.

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Speaker 3: Those He's got a ring and played in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Is one of those things?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: Coming up, Jonathan Alexander, let's ask him about this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Then the Tuesday Top three it's here on Texans Radio.

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Speaker 1: Back to it here on Texans Radio. Mark Vandermayer, John

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Speaker 1: Harris with you, as we have Jonathan Alexander from the

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Speaker 1: Houston Chronicle joining us right now. Covers your Houston Texans

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Speaker 1: so well. And Jonathan, let's get to the meat of

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Speaker 1: the story here. Stefon Diggs and yesterday's deadline passing, What

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Speaker 1: do you make of the whole situation?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think you.

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Speaker 6: Know, ever since the Texans traded him and then restructured

586
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Speaker 6: his contract to cut out the remaining years, you know,

587
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Speaker 6: that signified and that signal that Stefan Diggs wanted to

588
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Speaker 6: test free agency.

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Speaker 5: And with that deadline happening, I think this just means.

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Speaker 6: It's more likely that, you know, the Texans won't resign

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Speaker 6: him before he hits free agency, and I think Stephan

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Speaker 6: Dames would like to see what market he has. And

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Speaker 6: you know, just the fact that he'll go out and

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Speaker 6: a free agency means his price tag will go up,

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Speaker 6: which would likely mean that, you know, the Texans we

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Speaker 6: are unlikely to sign him. I would never rule it

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Speaker 6: out completely, but I think the longer he goes towards

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Speaker 6: free agency and into it, the more likely it means

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Speaker 6: that he'll probably end up with another team.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so let's say that's the case, Jonathan, which I

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Speaker 4: think Mark and I are both in agreement, and I

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Speaker 4: think a lot of people are that.

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Speaker 3: You know, you take that sixteen million dollars dead cap hit.

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Speaker 4: Basically he's probably not coming back, and you don't have

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Speaker 4: a ton of money under the salary cap right now

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Speaker 4: to go make a move to sign a T.

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Speaker 3: Higgins or whomever.

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Speaker 4: So, Jonathan Alexander, you supplant Nick Cassario's the gem of

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Speaker 4: the Texans, and you have to fix the wide receiver position,

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Speaker 4: and that don't fixes maybe a strong word, but you've

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Speaker 4: got to put together that group. Now, I'm not saying specifics,

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Speaker 4: but just your thought process. What would be your thought

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Speaker 4: process as you were to do that. You start with

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Speaker 4: Nico Collins. You don't know quite the status of Tank Dell.

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Speaker 4: You still got x and you've got John Matchi in house,

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Speaker 4: so go ahead and take a crack at fixing it.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Alexander new GM in the Houston, Texas Yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Think there are a couple of things that you can do.

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Speaker 6: Like number one, are you see right now that Cooper

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Speaker 6: Cup is potentially could be traded? You know, I think

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Speaker 6: the RAMS lost their leverage when they when Cup made

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Speaker 6: it announce that that the Rams were going to trade him.

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Speaker 6: I think teams are going to end up waiting that

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Speaker 6: out and then Cup is going to end up being

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Speaker 6: a free aident. Now you potentially, with him having been

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Speaker 6: paid already, you could potentially get him on a cheaper deal,

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Speaker 6: or if they end up trading him, you asked the

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Speaker 6: Rams to take on the majority of deal. I think

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Speaker 6: that's one option. Another option a lot of people like

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Speaker 6: DeMarcus Robinson. Now he might cost a good penny, but uh,

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Speaker 6: you know, you could potentially get him on a reasonable

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Speaker 6: deal and he has that familiarity with Nick Kyley I

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Speaker 6: think he's an option, and then I think the draft also,

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Speaker 6: you know, I look at a couple of options. You know,

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Speaker 6: it's it's it's a little if he now you know,

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Speaker 6: the kid from Ohio State who played with CJ. Stroud,

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Speaker 6: He could potentially be there at twenty five. I think

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Speaker 6: it depends on what the Texans are valuing most, because

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Speaker 6: you also have some good defensive tackle options there as well.

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Speaker 6: You can potentially get a wide receiver maybe in the

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Speaker 6: third or the fourth round, which you know you'll be

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Speaker 6: banking on a lot on that guy, you know, stepping up.

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Speaker 6: But I think they're going to have to either draft

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Speaker 6: somebody or get some prove it players similar to how

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Speaker 6: they did in twenty twenty three when they you know,

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Speaker 6: almost struggle with Noah Brown even though he got hurt,

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Speaker 6: but he.

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Speaker 5: Had some really big games. They're gonna have to do

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Speaker 5: something similar.

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Speaker 1: You brought up defensive line. I think it's a position

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Speaker 1: of not desperate need. But when you look at Barnett

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Speaker 1: a free agent, when you look at fully Fotacasi at

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Speaker 1: tackle a free agent, look Barnett was a good contributor

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Speaker 1: on a rotational basis.

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Speaker 2: At end.

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Speaker 1: Fully, I felt like they weren't the same when he

657
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Speaker 1: wasn't in there. I would say this is the position

658
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Speaker 1: of need. And you know, Johnny brought up a couple

659
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Speaker 1: of websites that talked about Denico Autrey as a cut candidate.

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Speaker 2: Look, we don't know what they're thinking. I know he's

661
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Speaker 2: making some money this year, but I think.

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Speaker 1: They're eager to see what he could do with a

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Speaker 1: full season without a suspension and hopefully staying healthy. What

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Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the defensive line, Jonathan.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we obviously know how important that is

666
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Speaker 6: for Demico Ryans and making sure that group is tip

667
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Speaker 6: top safe, because he knows in order for the defense

668
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Speaker 6: to be as elite as he wants, he's going to

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Speaker 6: have to build that defensive line.

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Speaker 5: And not only is Foley going to be a free agent,

671
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Speaker 5: but also Mario Edwards.

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Speaker 6: And you know, the Texans don't have any money right

673
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Speaker 6: now in salary cast face, and they can, you know,

674
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Speaker 6: do a lot of different things to create salary cast face.

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Speaker 5: And one of those things is cutting Deniko Arsher.

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Speaker 6: You say five point seven million, Now, I think I

677
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Speaker 6: do believe that Demico would rather keep him than cut him.

678
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Speaker 6: But say, for instance, they can't figure out how to

679
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Speaker 6: free up cast face. I think it's definitely within the

680
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Speaker 6: realm of possibility. And like we mentioned on last week's show,

681
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Speaker 6: Mario Edwards and Foley could go to Atlanta and join

682
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Speaker 6: Nick Ali over there.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I think it's gonna be a point

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Speaker 5: of emphasis.

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Speaker 6: I really do think that a defensive tackle could be

686
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Speaker 6: taken within those first three rounds. I did a mock

687
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Speaker 6: draft recently and I mocked the Texans to pick one

688
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Speaker 6: in the I think first and the third round, so

689
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Speaker 6: I think it's I think they'll address it for sure.

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Speaker 6: And then the edge rusher, as I started to look

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Speaker 6: at the Nico situation, Barnett, who probably wants to become

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Speaker 6: a starter or try to become a starter, They're going

693
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Speaker 6: to have to.

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Speaker 5: Probably get at least one more edge rusher to fill

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Speaker 5: this roster.

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Speaker 4: The good thing was Dylan Horton did come back at

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Speaker 4: some point. I guess he came back a lot earlier

698
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Speaker 4: than we thought this past year, and so have Dylan Horton.

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Speaker 4: I always forget about him like being a little bit,

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Speaker 4: a little bit more part of the edge mix. So

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Speaker 4: I think that's gonna help. The good thing is in

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Speaker 4: this drafts Mark and I have talked about Jonathan. The

703
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Speaker 4: defensive line is deep. It's really deep. And then you

704
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Speaker 4: see you look at the Eagles, the Rams, you know,

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Speaker 4: teams that have drafted you know players. I mean they've drafted.

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Speaker 4: The Eagles to draft the defensive lineman every year, like

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Speaker 4: au S.

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Speaker 3: He was like just two of them. And then this

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Speaker 3: past year Jaylex Hunt they drafted on the outside.

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Speaker 4: It I'll tell linebacker he had a pretty good years

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Speaker 4: of rookie mil Williams they drafted a third round a

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Speaker 4: few years ago.

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Speaker 3: Just an incredible athlete. He's gonna make a ton of

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Speaker 3: money this year.

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Speaker 4: You know, look at the Rams last year they got

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Speaker 4: Verse and Fisk with their top two picks. And that

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Speaker 4: Rams defensive line now on top of Kobe Turner the

718
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Speaker 4: year before, Byron Young year before, is one of the

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Speaker 4: best in the league. So I still think you can

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Speaker 4: find a significant amount of talent at the defensive line position.

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Speaker 3: So I'll ask you this, Jonathan.

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Speaker 4: We know and we talked about a tier offensive line,

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Speaker 4: We talked about defensive line, We talked about wide receivers.

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Speaker 4: I think most people would say those are the positions

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Speaker 4: of need for the Texans. What does this sneaky hot

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Speaker 4: position of need or a sneaky hot thought of you

727
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Speaker 4: know what, nobody's talking about this position, and I think

728
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Speaker 4: they really need to add somebody be it free agency

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Speaker 4: or draft or trade or whatever, at this position for

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Speaker 4: the Texans, because we talked about, like I said, internity

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Speaker 4: line interiory, offensive line receiver.

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Speaker 3: Those are the ones that people talk about the most.

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Speaker 4: Those are the ones you can look at and go, well,

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Speaker 4: the what's the one in your mind that's kind of

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Speaker 4: sneaky hot that nobody's really talking about.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that there is a need at that

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Speaker 3: position or group?

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Speaker 6: Okay, I don't know if there's a need or maybe

739
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Speaker 6: there is, but I enjoyed you all the interview with

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Speaker 6: Nick Kayley.

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Speaker 5: So I'm gonna go with tight ends. You know, obviously

742
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Speaker 5: based on what he said to you all.

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Speaker 6: He I mean, in his history, he loves the tight

744
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Speaker 6: end and it is it will be important to his offense.

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Speaker 6: And while they have three tight ends, I think they

746
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Speaker 6: could potentially bring in one person to create competition. You know,

747
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Speaker 6: Brevin Jordans obviously coming.

748
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Speaker 5: Off that injury and has one more year left on

749
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Speaker 5: his deal.

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Speaker 6: You know who says you know, they might use a

751
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Speaker 6: fourth win and use that guy at fullback as well.

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Speaker 5: So I think that's.

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Speaker 6: Potentially a position that you could potentially see the Texans

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Speaker 6: targeting this offseason.

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Speaker 1: And what we don't know is how Cayley feels about

756
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Speaker 1: Cad Stover at full back when he gets reps there.

757
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Speaker 1: He might love it, because Stover loves it. He loved

758
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Speaker 1: being out on the field contributing any which way he could.

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Speaker 1: So we'll find out when we find out. Jonathan, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna let you pick one of these three things to

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Speaker 1: talk about.

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Speaker 2: One of these three.

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Speaker 1: You can pick Jaguars, how Trevor Lawrence might look with

764
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Speaker 1: Liam Kohane Colts, what the heck do they do behind

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, Joe Flacco free agent?

766
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Speaker 2: Or Titans?

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Speaker 1: What do they do at quarterback? Is it still will

768
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Speaker 1: or do they go in another direction or add to it?

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Speaker 1: You pick one of the three.

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Speaker 5: Go, let's go with Titans at quarterback because it's interesting.

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Speaker 6: I've seen many of my drafts, and you know, the

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Speaker 6: Titans also made their comments that they won't pass up

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Speaker 6: in a generational talent.

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Speaker 5: So a lot of people think that they could choose

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Speaker 5: Abdul Carter.

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Speaker 6: I think it would be a mistake not to pick

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Speaker 6: a quarterback because I don't see Will Levis no matter

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Speaker 6: how much you improve you know, the offensive line of

779
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Speaker 6: the receivers or whoever. You know, I don't think Will

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Speaker 6: Levis is the answer long term, unless they could get

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Speaker 6: somebody in free agency, you know, perhaps maybe a Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 6: I think it is going to be, you know, difficult

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Speaker 6: for them to proceed for with Levis at quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I made you the GM of the Texans. Now

785
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Speaker 4: I'm firing you so I can make you the GM

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Speaker 4: of the Indianapolis Colts. Sorry, Chris Ballard, but Johnathan Alexander

787
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Speaker 4: is now the GM of the Indneapolis Colts. I mean

788
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Speaker 4: maybe three options at quarterback. You tell me which option

789
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 4: sounds the best. Number one, Rock and Roll with Anthony Richardson.

790
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Speaker 4: Number two, sign justin fields. Number three, watch this trade

791
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Speaker 4: for Detroit quarterback Hendon Hooker.

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Speaker 2: All right, you go ahead, Jonathan.

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Speaker 5: And the first one was rocked with Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 3: Yep, you rock with Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 4: Where you go?

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Speaker 2: Who's the backup like Ellinger or somebody.

797
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Speaker 3: Like Ellinger's your backup?

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Speaker 2: Oh boy?

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Speaker 4: Number one, rock with Anthony Richardson to sign Justin Fields,

800
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Speaker 4: let him compete with Anthony Richardson. If you want number

801
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Speaker 4: three trade for Detroit quarterback Hendon Hooker, What.

802
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Speaker 5: Can I get for Hendy?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 5: What is this?

805
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Speaker 3: What is you got to? You gotta give up a

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Speaker 3: two and a five?

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Speaker 5: Oh no, okay, I'll go with Anthony Rigerson.

808
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Speaker 6: Okay, And I'll say this, No, I would sign Justin

809
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Speaker 6: Fields to compete with Anthony Richardson. But I also think

810
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Speaker 6: that they're the cap on Justin Field. I think what

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Speaker 6: we've seen what we've seen on him. I think we're

812
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Speaker 6: still probably a year from figuring out Anthony Rigison, and

813
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Speaker 6: that is.

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Speaker 5: Why I would go with him.

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Speaker 6: I don't feel confident about Anthony Richison moving forward, but

816
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Speaker 6: at least there's a little bit of that unknown there

817
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Speaker 6: and that maybe.

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Speaker 5: He can improve with another offseason. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: You know, he has some bad moments, but I don't

820
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Speaker 6: I think there is a limit in a cap on

821
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Speaker 6: Justin Field's progress. I don't see him making any significant

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Speaker 6: strides over his career.

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Speaker 5: I think we've seen what we've seen from him.

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Speaker 1: I guess the question is what do you think Detroit

825
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Speaker 1: thinks of Hendon Hooker? Yeah, because if I'm Detroit and

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Speaker 1: I love Hendon Hooker. I might hang on to him,

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Speaker 1: Jordan love Aaron Rodgers' style, right, yeah, goff in a

828
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Speaker 1: couple of years, that might be it. Let's go in

829
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Speaker 1: another direction. We'll be heading into twenty twenty seven. Let's

830
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Speaker 1: get Hooker in here by Jared, and we're gonna try

831
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Speaker 1: to keep this thing rolling with Hooker. I don't want

832
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Speaker 1: to see Hooker in the division. I don't want to

833
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Speaker 1: see him with the Titans. I don't want to see

834
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Speaker 1: him with the Colts. I don't want to see him

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Speaker 1: anywhere around.

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Speaker 4: He's better, He projects to be better when healthy than

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Speaker 4: any of the quarterback in your division.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's Trevor Lawrence, yeah, but I

839
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Speaker 3: think we better than Richardson and Levis.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna hold my brother, go ahead.

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Speaker 6: Former OC former OCU PEP Hamilton loved Handy Hooker. He

842
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 6: used to try to convince me on Handon Hooker all

843
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Speaker 6: the time.

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Speaker 2: I liked him coming out of college. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't make these decisions. Jonathan. What do you have

846
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Speaker 2: going out in the Houston Chronicle.

847
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Speaker 3: For us again?

848
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Speaker 6: Just put out my first mock draft. Like I mentioned,

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Speaker 6: you know, I'll have a check that out when y'all

850
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Speaker 6: get a chance. I'll have a few more things coming

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Speaker 6: out within the next couple of days. One I can't

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00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 6: say right now, and then another I'll have a list

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00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 6: of free agents at the Texans potentially could target. And

854
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 6: then of course the combine coming.

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Speaker 5: Up next week.

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Speaker 1: Inquiring minds want to know. Oh wait, that's a different

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Speaker 1: paper anyway, Jonathan, Well, we look forward to see it

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Speaker 1: at the COB. But thanks a lot for joining us,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, all right, coming up Top three

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, Johnny Top three all time sports color commentators.

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Speaker 2: It's next here on Texans All Access.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: If you missed the first two segments, they'll be up

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Speaker 1: in podcast form soon enough wherever you get your podcasts,

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Speaker 1: including on the Odyssey app. They go up there right

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Speaker 1: away on the Odyssey app. So Texans All Access go

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Speaker 1: search for it. You can find it. Mark Vandermre and

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Speaker 1: John Harris with you. It's Tuesday Top three. And I said,

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Speaker 1: if you missed the first couple of segments, because we

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Speaker 1: covered Stefan Diggs, wide receivers, a whole bunch of stuff

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Speaker 1: about the draft. Jonathan Alexander from the Chronicle was on

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Speaker 1: and it was really great stuff. Let's get to this

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Speaker 1: because this is not no this is really great stuff too.

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Speaker 1: Tuesday Top three. I mentioned last week that Hube Brown had.

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Speaker 2: Just retired from broadcasting.

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Speaker 1: Is my favorite all time national color commentator other than Andre,

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00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: but my favorite all time, you know, because it goes

878
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: back to the eighties and the NBA Finals and the

879
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: Celtics and Lakers, and I just love the way he

880
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: calls games. And I've always loved him even after he

881
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: was doing the national like Marquee Game, the Finals, he

882
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: was still always good.

883
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: But he's my favorite.

884
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: But the favorite is not necessarily the best. Jimmy Page

885
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: is my favorite guitarist. I don't think he's the best

886
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: rock guitarist of all time. I think Jimmy Hendrix is.

887
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: But Page is my favorite. Your favorite doesn't have.

888
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: To be the best.

889
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: You see, my favorite quarterback of all time in the NFL,

890
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: like from back in the day, is Dan Fouts. He

891
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: wasn't the best, but he's my favorite, all right, So

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00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: let's do the best though, Johnny. The top three all

893
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: time color commentators in sports TV history.

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00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: Number one Madden John Yeah, I just everything. I love

895
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: love sports when Madden called a game. I just I

896
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: loved it. I absolutely loved listening to him.

897
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 4: I thought John Madden was was excellent, the way that

898
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 4: he called a game, talked about it in a way

899
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 4: that you knew what he was talking about, but you

900
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 4: then could present something to you that was funny, that informative.

901
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: So I would I would have to go with I

902
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 4: don't have to go with John madd number one. That's

903
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 4: the first one that stood out. Huey Brown is definitely

904
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Speaker 4: in my top three.

905
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: I love Hubie, I love Hubie. I love listening to him.

906
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 4: I feel like I get something out of every game,

907
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: and I look, you know, father time, I get it.

908
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: You know, he's ninety years old. But god, what he

909
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: called a game.

910
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: It was so fun to listen to to him do NBA.

911
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 4: He was just excellent. I'm gonna give you a completely

912
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 4: off the wall one, totally. I don't know if I

913
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: would put him in a top three, but to me,

914
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 4: I think he deserves consideration. But it's such a niche sport.

915
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 4: It's hard, it's college baseball. It's Kyle Peterson. If you

916
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 4: haven't heard Kyle Peterson call a college baseball game, he's phenomenal.

917
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 4: It's just he's got a low base voice. But he

918
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 4: knows he's talking about his former picture. He is rey coverage,

919
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 4: really yes, really really good. I love listening to him

920
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 4: do college baseball for sure.

921
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't have an audio of that. What about baseball

922
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: in general? What about Joe Morgan, Tim McCarver. You got

923
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: Smoltz doing it now.

924
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 4: I like Smolts out of the three, the three you mentioned,

925
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 4: those are probably the three that stand out the most.

926
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Speaker 2: Joe Garagiola I like him.

927
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: I was way back in the day, way back in

928
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 3: the day.

929
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 4: I liked him though. I like Smoltz though. I like

930
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 4: listening to Smoltz. I think he can get a little nerdy.

931
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 4: But you know me, I don't mind nerdy broadcast.

932
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Speaker 3: I'm good with that. I would throw Smolts in there

933
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: for sure.

934
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Speaker 4: I like Smolts over the other guys, you know, Dicky

935
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 4: v When Dicky Dick Vitale would just hone in the

936
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 4: basketball like I love excitement about the game, but you know,

937
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 4: he'd get it a PTP or you know, you get

938
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: all the nicknames and all that kind of stuff.

939
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: But when he really broke down the basketball game that

940
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: we were watching.

941
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: He could do it.

942
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: He was exceptional, he was a coach. He's so so

943
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: very good. So I would I love Dicky V.

944
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 4: But he's probably one of those guys that I would

945
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 4: say that I love more than Woul put him in

946
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 4: my top three, Okay, like he would be in my

947
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 4: favorite top three, but I don't know that I would

948
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 4: say that he's he's the top three, but Madden's in there.

949
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: Like I said, I love Kyle Pearson. Huey Brown was

950
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 4: one of my favorites always, and you know, you know

951
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 4: who's really really good. And it's a shame that he's

952
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 4: back in coaching because I'm sure coaching is probably tearing

953
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 4: him up.

954
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: Jeff Ay and Gunny was a damn good color comment

955
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: I loved him. He was so good.

956
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: It's I love that you brought him up because to me,

957
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: he's the closest thing, or was the closest thing to

958
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: becoming a transcendent NBA color commentator national stage. Nobody else

959
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: the NBA showcase broadcasters, it's the TNT set. It's Charles

960
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: and Kenny and Ernie and Shack.

961
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: Those guys have that.

962
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: It's kind of like for college football, is there anybody

963
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: like that in color commentary?

964
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 3: No, you know it's are.

965
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: There are a lot of really great announcers, but college

966
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: game Day has that they are the centerpiece show. But

967
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL, back in the day, it was Monday

968
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: Night football with Hard co Sell and Frank Gifford. But

969
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: Madden took that over and he became the guy to

970
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: do color commentary and transcended all sports. Because of what

971
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: you said, he could give you the technical breakdown but

972
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: also have a lot of fun with it with Turduccan

973
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: and all that. I think vital. I know that not

974
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: everybody likes him, but you got to give him credit.

975
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: I know you do that he transcended the sport. He

976
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: became larger than the sport almost and when he was

977
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: doing a game, I know he still broadcasts. He's just

978
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: coming back from cancer again. My gosh, it's been a

979
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: tremendous struggle for him, and our hearts go out to him.

980
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: But he's really amazing. You know, I don't watch enough

981
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: hockey to give you an informed opinion. I talked about

982
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: the baseball again, the national stage for baseball. Yeah, you

983
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: had the ESPN Sunday Night stuff I did, like John

984
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: Miller and Joe Morgan, and that I love John.

985
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: Miller's play by play guy. I love him the more

986
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 3: it was good. He was good.

987
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 4: I mean, if we extended this to ten, I'd be

988
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 4: probably would be in there, uh for me at that point.

989
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 4: But baseball hockey, you know, you know who called the

990
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 4: game the other night and this is going to play

991
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 4: by play. But to me, there's one play by play.

992
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 4: Guys like Sean McDonough could call anything he called. He

993
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: called the hockey match to the day between USA and

994
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 4: and UH Canada and it was awesome. I mean, he's

995
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 4: just so good. He's so good, and I don't know

996
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 4: he gets the credit he deserves because he didn't call

997
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 4: any sport. He's really really good. But color commentary, those

998
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 4: are probably those are probably my three Madden, Huey Brown,

999
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: and Swoltz.

1000
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: Dick Button doing figure skating. You have all these esoteric ones,

1001
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: guys that just show up for the Olympics and crush it.

1002
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 4: Exactly who who? There was another one Scott Hamilton figure ska.

1003
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 4: He replaced Button, I think right exactly. It was like

1004
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 4: Button Scott Hamilton and then I think that's it. There's

1005
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 4: only been two Tolize. Now this who does it is?

1006
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 4: Boyitano does he do it. You know who does play

1007
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 4: by play for figureh skating I know he did a

1008
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 4: while back is Terry Gannon. And his claim to fay, yeah,

1009
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 4: is he was a shooting guard on the NC State

1010
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 4: team that beat Houston eighty three.

1011
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: Play by play announcer Terry Gannon.

1012
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: You know what. Another claim to fame is the very

1013
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: first preseason TV play by play man for your Houston Texans,

1014
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: Terry Gannon. Terry Gannon really yep? Back in the day, Wow,

1015
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: I did James did color?

1016
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: How about that? So you're in a booth, Johnames, You're

1017
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: in the roods of n D and Craig James had

1018
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 2: that seat.

1019
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: How about that?

1020
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 4: I hope, I hope that Indy and I have done

1021
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 4: a better job than Craig James. You have, but not

1022
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 4: as running backs anyway. True, that's true.

1023
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: That's it for the show tonight next Hey, tomorrow night,

1024
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: we got a good one. Jonathan's got his mystery piece

1025
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Speaker 1: coming out in the Chronicle tomorrow. Maybe we'll talk about

1026
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: that and is mock draft. Maybe we'll do a Jonathan

1027
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: show without Jonathan.

1028
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: You never know.

1029
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Speaker 1: It's tomorrow night at six. Thanks for listening. Area forty five,

1030
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Speaker 1: Happy at a Verse three. Happy anniversary to Area forty five.

1031
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