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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, October sixth, twenty twenty one, season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode number thirty five. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at
Speaker 1: the Star. And I have to admit last night I
Speaker 1: was thinking, Man, I really don't know how we're gonna
Speaker 1: lead the show today. No, we're gonna talk to Bucky
Speaker 1: and talk a little bit about the the New York
Speaker 1: Giants their offense. But I really didn't know what we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about. And then literally literally about thirty minutes later,
Speaker 1: the news breaks and I'm like, we got our first segment.
Speaker 1: Here we go first, right, it might actually take a
Speaker 1: lot more than that. But God, but and again I'm
Speaker 1: not I am not at all rejoicing in another man sorrow.
Speaker 1: I never am happy when a player gets released but
Speaker 1: I do understand the business of football and business football
Speaker 1: said that this was something that probably needed to happen.
Speaker 1: Timing was interesting, but Jalen Smith released by the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys last night. Mike McCarthy said in his press conference
Speaker 1: a few minutes ago that this was a big picture
Speaker 1: roster move. He said. He said they felt like this
Speaker 1: was the best time to do it, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: an easy decision for them, is what he said. They
Speaker 1: still owe him. I think what is it, seven million
Speaker 1: dollars for this season a little over that. So the
Speaker 1: question for you guys is, and I think these are
Speaker 1: two different questions, so answer them as such, why and
Speaker 1: why now? So let's start first with you Nick. Why
Speaker 1: I think that. I think it is a big picture move.
Speaker 1: And I've said this before. I said it's on the radio.
Speaker 1: This is a situation of I'm gonna get you before
Speaker 1: you get me. That's what I believe. That's why I
Speaker 1: think it's a why now, playing that he's on the
Speaker 1: hook for seven million dollars this year, that nothing can
Speaker 1: change with that next year if he's hurt in any way,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about hurt for March fifteenth or whenever
Speaker 1: the new league. Gear is hurt, can't pass the physical
Speaker 1: because he had a surgery or something. That's nine million dollars.
Speaker 1: His agent would be the dumbest agent in the world
Speaker 1: if they didn't figure out a way to do that.
Speaker 1: So that's a way that would be. They could get him,
Speaker 1: they could get the Cowboys. I think this is a
Speaker 1: way of I'll get you before you get me. We
Speaker 1: don't feel like you're a good enough player to do
Speaker 1: this for next year. We've already made our bed this year.
Speaker 1: You're not playing a whole lot, so you're playing okay,
Speaker 1: let's just move on and give you another opportunity. I
Speaker 1: think I think those two things go hand in hand.
Speaker 1: That's what I stressed to people when we talk about
Speaker 1: this is like nobody woke up yesterday and there's like
Speaker 1: a Jalen Sich and they flipped it. You know, nobody
Speaker 1: woke up and decided like this is the day that
Speaker 1: this has happened. These are conversations that have been happening
Speaker 1: probably since February, and then again in March, and then
Speaker 1: again in April, and then again after you draft Michael Parsons,
Speaker 1: and then again after you draft Jabril Cox, and then again,
Speaker 1: like every day during training camp and during the preseason.
Speaker 1: And this isn't to make us sound smart. We were
Speaker 1: caught completely off guard, just like the rest of the world.
Speaker 1: But have we not heard whispers of this being a
Speaker 1: possibility since mid August? Yeah? I mean, if you don't
Speaker 1: want to believe me, that's fine, but it's just the facts.
Speaker 1: We can't go public with everything we hear in this job.
Speaker 1: This is something they've been considering. Jalen has got us
Speaker 1: spent over barrel. We're stuck with this contract through this year.
Speaker 1: The minute the league years started, we knew that we
Speaker 1: weren't really planning on drafting Micah Parsons. We weren't really
Speaker 1: planning on Jabril Cox falling to us at one fifteen.
Speaker 1: We thought he'd be long gone by the time day
Speaker 1: three started. Both of those things happened. So now we
Speaker 1: got all these guys, Well, let's go to training camp
Speaker 1: and give the new defensive coordinator a chance to figure
Speaker 1: this whole thing out and see who can play and
Speaker 1: who can't play, and who picks up the scheme. How
Speaker 1: good is Parsons? Really turns out he's awesome, and I
Speaker 1: think that, I mean, that's a big part of it. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you hope the number twelve overall pick is good enough,
Speaker 1: but you're not going to make those decisions until you
Speaker 1: see it. So Parsons checks every box. You get into
Speaker 1: the season, you even see you're life and I completely
Speaker 1: believe Mike McCarthy. Jalen Smith has seemed to have a
Speaker 1: great attitude about this whole thing. Honestly, I don't have
Speaker 1: a bad thing to say about him as a person.
Speaker 1: All of my criticism has mainly just been he hasn't
Speaker 1: lived up to his contract, not even close. So then
Speaker 1: you get into the season you say, all right, well
Speaker 1: let's platoon this thing and see how it works. You've
Speaker 1: played a month, you got four games of tape. The
Speaker 1: issues are there for anybody that wants to see him.
Speaker 1: You got a really promising rookie. They've also had a
Speaker 1: chance for Jabril Cox to practice and kind of show them.
Speaker 1: They're like, okay, like we feel good about him as
Speaker 1: a secondary option. We're not gonna throw him into the
Speaker 1: starting lineup, but between Neil Vander Esh Parsons and then
Speaker 1: throwing Cox as well, we feel pretty good about this.
Speaker 1: And then to nixt point, they say, if anything happens
Speaker 1: to this guy. We're on the hook for next year's
Speaker 1: salary too. We're gonna have to pay him nine million
Speaker 1: dollars and so I've been talking for ten minutes at
Speaker 1: this point. But it's all all of this has to
Speaker 1: be considered. Like I said, you didn't wake up one
Speaker 1: day and we're like, we finally admit that this guy's
Speaker 1: not good, he can't play. We're cutting him today. That's
Speaker 1: not how it works. It is six months of analysis
Speaker 1: and conversation from ten different places. McCarthy had a role
Speaker 1: in this, Quinn had a role in this, The front
Speaker 1: office had a role in this, and the players as well,
Speaker 1: because the young guys had to prove that they were
Speaker 1: capable of handling that role. And they got together Tuesday
Speaker 1: and they were like, yeah, this seems like as good
Speaker 1: a time as any. He would also think it was
Speaker 1: getting to a point where he was going to be inactive,
Speaker 1: and really, yeah, I do. I mean, I think in
Speaker 1: week one he was almost inactive. But it's almost like
Speaker 1: the politics of we want to do this and we
Speaker 1: know this is going to be a distraction, because it's
Speaker 1: not a distraction when Louke Gifford's inactive. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just it is. Jayleen's inactive, then that's a story
Speaker 1: and we people talk about that. So I definitely our headline. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think it's more of a hey, let's just
Speaker 1: do it, Just do it now, everything they've said, get
Speaker 1: it out of the way. I think I think that
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson, of all people, I think he kind of
Speaker 1: helps that too. He comes back at safety or he's
Speaker 1: getting close to coming back. Jayron Curse is such a
Speaker 1: dynamic player. Him and Kean O'Neill can help with the
Speaker 1: Nickels stuff. I mean, there's just there's just ways of
Speaker 1: like maybe Jalen doesn't need to be on the field,
Speaker 1: and then factoring it all in, it's you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot to it. And I believe Mike McCarthy when
Speaker 1: he says this was a difficult decision. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think he should have said that he has played
Speaker 1: excellent football because you don't cut excellent players. You don't
Speaker 1: cut excellent players when you don't have to. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you've already paid for it, and you only cut
Speaker 1: excellent players because of the salary cap. But even at
Speaker 1: that point, they're not excellent anything. It's already spent money though,
Speaker 1: so that those cap casualties are never players. They're not
Speaker 1: excellent players. So he's never that and a guy that's
Speaker 1: at the top of his game. But I mean, the
Speaker 1: thing about Jayleen two, I think we need to we
Speaker 1: need to talk about this. We had a mail bag
Speaker 1: question about his legacy and all that. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: gonna I guess we'll get to them here. But I
Speaker 1: just like everybody on the here on this show, and
Speaker 1: some more than others. Some aren't here, but but everybody
Speaker 1: gives Jalen his you know, he just is an eye
Speaker 1: roll all the time. But is he a bad guy?
Speaker 1: Like the thing is is, yeah, we could have gotten
Speaker 1: cute swipe laugh taha. It's not funny. That guy has
Speaker 1: never been a jerk to anyone in the media. And
Speaker 1: he could have been. He I mean he's been he
Speaker 1: could have been real surly can he hasn't. He's got
Speaker 1: a good attitude. People don't like it. People don't. They
Speaker 1: think he's delusional. They think he's unaware of the situation
Speaker 1: or just doesn't care, or he's fake or whatever. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I I I never really I never disliked him at all,
Speaker 1: and I just think, you know, people, he's maybe misunderstood,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's it's a kind of a
Speaker 1: it's up in the air on did he have a
Speaker 1: successful story or not because he's been cut because he
Speaker 1: had a successful Yeah, I think so. He's professional football.
Speaker 1: And basically, I don't know how many of us or
Speaker 1: anybody that was watch his football thought at the moment
Speaker 1: that he had that injury in that bowl game. I
Speaker 1: think most people felt like, at best, he will get
Speaker 1: into the NFL and not do anything. And he had
Speaker 1: one year one year I was he was okay, that's fine,
Speaker 1: had two good seasons. I was gonna say that one
Speaker 1: year to me was a standout year. That was a
Speaker 1: year when I look at him and I'm like, he
Speaker 1: was every bit as good as any other middle linebacker
Speaker 1: that you want to look at around the league. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, maybe not better, but he was just as
Speaker 1: good as those guys in that one year. For me,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, Nick, I'm still on this point. Straight
Speaker 1: from Nick, he opened my eyes to this. I don't
Speaker 1: remember when he said it, but the thing that people
Speaker 1: hate about Jalen is the obliviousness that naivete that everything's
Speaker 1: gonna be all right, even though you can see me
Speaker 1: just trailing Odell Beckham by fifteen yards. Everything's great. It's
Speaker 1: the same attitude that got him there in the first place.
Speaker 1: It's so true because, like I remember in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: standing there talking to the guy, and I'm like, my dude,
Speaker 1: your foot is in a brace to keep it upright,
Speaker 1: like you can't walk without the assistance of a medical device.
Speaker 1: How can you possibly be this upbeat and confident that
Speaker 1: you're gonna be okay? And he was and it worked.
Speaker 1: And I wrote this in the mailbag, like it's just
Speaker 1: it just completely encapsulates the nature of the NFL that
Speaker 1: he came from this low point of his life and
Speaker 1: got to a crazy high, got a sixty five million
Speaker 1: dollar contract out of it, and just a little over
Speaker 1: two years later he's not good enough to be on
Speaker 1: the roster. How much do you guys think that this
Speaker 1: affects the locker room, because there's been some talk about
Speaker 1: that from the standpoint that he at least has a
Speaker 1: perception from the outside looking in that he is a
Speaker 1: leader of this defense. Is that what you perceive? I
Speaker 1: don't think that most of the guys in the locker
Speaker 1: room like him. I haven't heard players necessarily have bad
Speaker 1: things to say about him. How do you think this
Speaker 1: affects the locker room in this type of situation where,
Speaker 1: by the way, they're playing really well right now. I
Speaker 1: don't think it affects it at all. If it does,
Speaker 1: it affects it in a positive way. I really in
Speaker 1: what way? I think the fact that they the media
Speaker 1: looks and sees this guy can't play anymore, can't run.
Speaker 1: The players see it, they know it, you know. And
Speaker 1: I think you know when a guy's standing up in
Speaker 1: the room and you know, it's hard to be a
Speaker 1: leader when you're not a great player. It's really hard. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the flip side to that is, and we probably
Speaker 1: have all seen this type of situation, there's sometimes people
Speaker 1: who they mean so much to everybody in the room.
Speaker 1: It's not really about their production as much as it
Speaker 1: is their presence. Their presence just brings something to the room,
Speaker 1: even though you know they're not at their best, and
Speaker 1: you know why because you know what he's been through, Like,
Speaker 1: there's still something about their presence that has a way
Speaker 1: of motivating people, has a way of kind of you know,
Speaker 1: you don't know. Is he that kind of dude that
Speaker 1: when someone's having an off day, he's the one who
Speaker 1: goes to sit down at Lockman says, man, you got
Speaker 1: to you good, Like those kinds of things matter. Right
Speaker 1: day before he weigh in on this, I'm just gonna say,
Speaker 1: if this, if this football team at three and one
Speaker 1: can't figure out a way to get up for the
Speaker 1: New York Giants because a guy that because their fifth linebackers,
Speaker 1: and shame on them. I don't think it affects them
Speaker 1: at all. Get ready to play. Hey, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: where you're playing, home Way Parking Lot, the moon right
Speaker 1: because Jason Garrett's coming in. So you know what, it
Speaker 1: was such a good Jason Garrett. I said, God, everything
Speaker 1: about that. I hate the way he's left an imprint
Speaker 1: on me because last night I was like, look, this
Speaker 1: comes with the dinner. I say that all the time.
Speaker 1: I think. I think Jalen Smith is very well liked.
Speaker 1: I don't think that he is followed, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean that's a good to sit here right now and
Speaker 1: tell you, like Dak is the heartbeat of this team
Speaker 1: that they go where he and they got on the
Speaker 1: defense TBD. I mean was it was it? Jay? And
Speaker 1: I don't think so? And that's there was there was
Speaker 1: a clip. Is Trayvon Digs's middle name start with the B?
Speaker 1: I mean, is that TBD? There we go, give it
Speaker 1: three more weeks and it might be number eleven. Seriously,
Speaker 1: it might already. It might already be. Which actually there's
Speaker 1: precedent for this. I brought this up last night, and
Speaker 1: I firmly believe it. To Nick's point, this team's kicking
Speaker 1: ass right now. You know what solves everything winning games.
Speaker 1: It wasn't he wasn't cut. But remember where this team
Speaker 1: was in August of twenty sixteen when the only reason
Speaker 1: that they had ever been good in the last decade
Speaker 1: got hurt and it was doom and gloom. And then
Speaker 1: Dak gets them off to a four and one five
Speaker 1: and one start, and people like Dez Bryant, who Tony
Speaker 1: Romo made his career, is like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I'm Jason Witt, Yeah, same thing. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: we can be pulling this four guy out of the
Speaker 1: lineup if you're winning for I mean, sorry, if it's disrespectful,
Speaker 1: nobody gives it, damn and they're winning and they're good,
Speaker 1: and it's no disrespect to Jalen. It's not because of him,
Speaker 1: and so I'm not worried about it, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, and you know, you ask another question
Speaker 1: why I was talking to you in your office before.
Speaker 1: Here's here's the reason why I was looking at the stats. Okay,
Speaker 1: he has nineteen tackles this year. That's fourth on the team.
Speaker 1: That's a little surprising to me to think it was
Speaker 1: that high. It's more than Michael Parsons, it's more than
Speaker 1: a few players. But on the way the stats were
Speaker 1: laid out, there's tackles and then there's everything else. There's
Speaker 1: a sack, there's the interception, force, fumbles for fumble recoveries,
Speaker 1: pass deflections, hurries, tackles for lass, all these things. He
Speaker 1: had zero. He had nothing on there. The top fourteen
Speaker 1: players on the list have something. They have an interception,
Speaker 1: they have fumble, they have hurries, they have tackling, they
Speaker 1: have they have something. Jalen has absolutely nothing on that.
Speaker 1: And so yes, he's playing and tackling, but he's not
Speaker 1: making plays. He's out there doing stuff and doing his job,
Speaker 1: but not to the point of anything else that you
Speaker 1: bring to the table, and I thought that was kind
Speaker 1: of an important to look at it and go, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's playing okay, but he doesn't give you anything else.
Speaker 1: The other fourteen guys gives you something. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to make jokes, but we talked about it last year.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't think it's a coincidence that he's
Speaker 1: usually diving on the pile at the end of these plays.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, there are people out there on
Speaker 1: social media they're like, he's led the team in tackles
Speaker 1: X amount of years and like, no, I don't care
Speaker 1: if ninety percent of those are eight, ten, twelve yards
Speaker 1: down the field. It's not a meaningful stat's leading, I
Speaker 1: tell you this. And and there's a guy that just
Speaker 1: about to get cut intow England right that everybody's talking about. Okay,
Speaker 1: why do they want the Why do the Cowboys want
Speaker 1: him to replace? Who? Who do they want to replace?
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown? Okay, who you know leads the team? Makes
Speaker 1: you say it? Why do Cowboys fans want them to replace?
Speaker 1: Fans want to get I want you say why the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: I don't want to know Thewboys fans they wants to
Speaker 1: find Gilmore so they can replace Anthony Brown, who leads
Speaker 1: the team in tackles. No one cares the one wants
Speaker 1: that's out for good reason that he leads the team
Speaker 1: and tackles. So you know that's that's that's wild. Cornerback leads,
Speaker 1: I know tackle that's actually yeah, that's not a craty
Speaker 1: good thing. Yeah, it's not a great buff because this
Speaker 1: guy over here, you know, I don't want to mess
Speaker 1: with him, and when we do, it goes the other way.
Speaker 1: So you know, Anthony Brown gets this year and Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown's playing okay, he is. Honestly, Anthony Brown to me
Speaker 1: is having probably is good to us start to a
Speaker 1: season as I've seen from him. Now he's gonna get
Speaker 1: and and he's gonna get even more attention. Now. The
Speaker 1: more attention that Diggs gets, the more attention that he's
Speaker 1: gonna get in future weeks because defense is gonna say,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go at him. But I think he's played
Speaker 1: fairly well for who for what he's done his career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and what's the one play Anthony Brown that we remember, Well,
Speaker 1: there's been too that he did miss the tackle against
Speaker 1: the Chargers, but the other play that everyone kind of
Speaker 1: remembered Anthony Antonio Brown. Yeah, I mean that was that
Speaker 1: was one that, you know, after talking a few people,
Speaker 1: you're like, what Casey was the one that kind of
Speaker 1: I love the irony. I don't disagree with anything you've
Speaker 1: just said. And I think Anthony Brown's been pretty good too. Um,
Speaker 1: he's public enemy number one. Jalen Smith is a target
Speaker 1: just moved. The target shifted about eight yards to the right.
Speaker 1: And it's I'm sorry, Anthony, it just is what it is.
Speaker 1: Here's where you are in your career, bro. Yeah, Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown's a sixth round pick who got to a second deal.
Speaker 1: And now, by the way, there's three guys left from
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen now top five Cowboy draft class ever? Right,
Speaker 1: that's fair? Right? Oh yeah, yeah definitely, so top five
Speaker 1: draft class ever? Who's left? The number four overall pick,
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback that you tripped over, and Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: So I promise you Anthon's andy is. He's fine. Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown's doesn't give a damn what you think. And by
Speaker 1: the way, his career will not be over. If after
Speaker 1: this year the Cowboys move on, his career will not
Speaker 1: be over. He'll play somewhere else. He'll have another few
Speaker 1: years of good production. So for him as a sixth
Speaker 1: round pick, he's already overachieved what you would expect achieved
Speaker 1: week one of his rookie year because he was in
Speaker 1: the starting lineup when he when he was talking trash
Speaker 1: to Steve Smith from the Ravens. That's when I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this guy got a little something. It's kind a chip
Speaker 1: on his shot. He's playing white like white. Literally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that rookie year. You don't remember that. Now. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying Steve Smith's been out four minutes, so it just
Speaker 1: kind of context Sante Samuel's kids started against this team
Speaker 1: of two weeks ago. Very true. What I mean, what's thanks?
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna I mean, man, he's gonna play
Speaker 1: in the NFL play but he'll play for a little
Speaker 1: bit more. But he got media. I mean in his
Speaker 1: future business I think business, business, sure, business, for sure.
Speaker 1: He knows what he's doing on that front. He's got
Speaker 1: a whole program where he's working with young entrepreneurs. He
Speaker 1: gets that part like he's not a dumb guy. Remember
Speaker 1: he went to Notre Dame. Dumb people don't go to
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. I don't think so. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he's got a bright future in whatever he wants to
Speaker 1: get into. Um, I don't know about the media thing
Speaker 1: for him, just because I don't know if he's as
Speaker 1: likable in that kind of way from the standpoint of
Speaker 1: like fans really like when he talks. I don't know
Speaker 1: that he's saying things that people are just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I love listening to Scott talk. He's not
Speaker 1: like Randy like you listen to Randy talking like man,
Speaker 1: I love listening to Scott talk. He always has insightful
Speaker 1: things to say. I think Jalen's more of kind of
Speaker 1: the canned thing. So I don't know if that works
Speaker 1: from a media standpoint. You would have to drop the
Speaker 1: stick to do that for a living. Because he was
Speaker 1: here for six years and I never felt like I
Speaker 1: was getting something authentic from him the whole time, which
Speaker 1: again it goes back to the whole thing of like
Speaker 1: that helped him recover from his injury clear eye view,
Speaker 1: But I don't I think it wears then after a while.
Speaker 1: But I do think he'll be successful in whatever else
Speaker 1: he decides. I mean that's and I know it annoyed
Speaker 1: people because he wasn't playing up to his contract. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's impressive with him. He's got small businesses in like
Speaker 1: Florida and Indianna, and he's helped people entrepreneurs invest and
Speaker 1: it's he's very he gives to the community and all that.
Speaker 1: Like again, don't have a bad thing to say about
Speaker 1: the guy as a person, just it's unfortunate what happened
Speaker 1: with this contract. All right, we're gonna take our first break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, We're gonna be joined by Bucky
Speaker 1: Brooks of NFL Network. We'll talk shift the conversation a
Speaker 1: little bit, talk about the New York Giants offense versus
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense. We may even ask him a little
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Speaker 1: Life from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We're
Speaker 1: joined right now by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network and Bucky,
Speaker 1: I want to start today with the news of the day.
Speaker 1: Give me your thoughts when you first start the news
Speaker 1: that Jalen Smith is no longer with the Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: know you had mentioned I think it was last week
Speaker 1: or week before, and you thought he actually was playing
Speaker 1: better this year. What were your thoughts when you first
Speaker 1: heard the Cowboys made to move, just maybe surprised by
Speaker 1: the time, and I thought if this move was going
Speaker 1: to be made, it would have made doing training camp.
Speaker 1: So all you have to do is followed the t leaves.
Speaker 1: Teams typically give you bird dropping and then let you
Speaker 1: know what they're thinking. When the Cowboys draft two linebackers
Speaker 1: relatively high in the draft and telling me that they
Speaker 1: have an issue at linebacker that they wanted to resolve
Speaker 1: when they signed another veteran in Keanunel, who was a safety,
Speaker 1: that they're moving the linebacker. It tells you that they
Speaker 1: don't believe in the linebackers that they currently had, And
Speaker 1: so when I looked at the situation coming out of
Speaker 1: training camp, I expect him to be one of the
Speaker 1: guys that might have been let go at the end
Speaker 1: of camp because normally, when you have a surplus, you
Speaker 1: make the move in then you're not necessarily tied into
Speaker 1: some of the money dependent upon how the deal was
Speaker 1: worked out, particularly when money guarantees for rookie for veterans.
Speaker 1: After the first week, when new that he made the
Speaker 1: team and you're now you're on the hook for the
Speaker 1: seven point two million dollars, I'm kind of thinking, well,
Speaker 1: maybe he's going to be around, because, look, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: thing had been working. The defense had been playing well.
Speaker 1: Even though he wasn't starting, he was coming in and
Speaker 1: he was doing a good job in the role that
Speaker 1: he was assigned to do. Look, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: he was playing at a Pro Bowl level, but he
Speaker 1: certainly wasn't awful when he was on the field, and
Speaker 1: because the team was winning. Typically you try not to
Speaker 1: mess with the culture of the locker room when things
Speaker 1: are going well, that's it. The league has now evolved
Speaker 1: into where you're seeing more of these teams play with
Speaker 1: two linebackers extensively, and then that other guy is a safety, hybrid,
Speaker 1: a nickel, somebody else. Because you have to be fast, athletic,
Speaker 1: and you have to be able to do things in coverage.
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith certainly can't do that. But in listening to
Speaker 1: your guy's points in terms of where he may wind up,
Speaker 1: I would expect him to see him in the league,
Speaker 1: and I think what you have to do is look
Speaker 1: at the coaches that followed that he coached, that coached
Speaker 1: him before, they tend to still see those older players glowingly.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to see Jamei Smith make his
Speaker 1: way to the Raiders, just because when you think about
Speaker 1: the Raiders and their defensive roles, he could potentially be
Speaker 1: a fit there because Rob Mary Nelly could maybe bless
Speaker 1: him and endorse him. That might be a place because
Speaker 1: the Raiders have a tradition of trying to take retreads
Speaker 1: in miscasts and giving them an opportunity to find regain
Speaker 1: their career, rebuild their career. Yeah, for all the jokes
Speaker 1: we make about the Giants, that a lot of cowboys
Speaker 1: have wound up in Vegas since Rod got there. For sure,
Speaker 1: when he when he first said that, Bucky, I thought
Speaker 1: my first thought was Eberflus. Was Eberflus even here? When
Speaker 1: I think he was? It was yeah for a little while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So and he's still yeah, that's not on the schedule,
Speaker 1: that's not as good. Yeah, everything that he screams Raiders
Speaker 1: with him. So if that that happens, that would make
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. And let me ask you this, Bucky,
Speaker 1: you talked about those safeties that now kind of have
Speaker 1: that role in the nickel. What player do you think
Speaker 1: plays the most now with him no longer on the roster.
Speaker 1: He was fourth on the team and tackles Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: So which player you think kind of takes a little
Speaker 1: bit more of the bulk of his snaps? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the two players the Nashal Gonna, my Keyan O'Neil,
Speaker 1: the Jibril Cox. I think you got to get those
Speaker 1: guys into the mix and get him into rotation. I
Speaker 1: think Kneil. I think I think Keian O'Neil gets the
Speaker 1: first by the apple, just because of the familiarity with
Speaker 1: the system, the trust that dan Quinn already has in him,
Speaker 1: and his ability justin watching how he played, in training him,
Speaker 1: his ability to potentially come down over the tight end,
Speaker 1: his ability to be in the box and be comfortable.
Speaker 1: I think he is the one that probably is first up.
Speaker 1: But if Jabril Cox gets a chance to get on
Speaker 1: the field and shows the team that he's ready to play,
Speaker 1: I think he certainly would get more playing time. He
Speaker 1: was drafted for a reason. He was drafted to occupy
Speaker 1: this role. They've wanted to get younger. And I think
Speaker 1: the bigger surprise is Lady vander Esch playing well and
Speaker 1: DQ fallen in love with what es could bring to
Speaker 1: the table. Could make it a situation with a linebacker
Speaker 1: who has lve Michael Parson is on one side, Jabril
Speaker 1: Cox on the other. So you have the veteran with
Speaker 1: two young, dynamic athletes playing and now you just kind
Speaker 1: of get after it because the goal of the defense
Speaker 1: to be faster and more athletic. So buck my goal.
Speaker 1: Last night, I was planning on having like a quiet night.
Speaker 1: I was going to have the baseball game on in
Speaker 1: the background and watch the Giant Saints game on my laptop.
Speaker 1: And that just got completely nuked at like seven and
Speaker 1: probably six forty five. So I haven't seen it, Um,
Speaker 1: I have, I've I've been convinced for a long time
Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones is not a good quarterback and then
Speaker 1: he goes into the Superdome and drops four hundred yards
Speaker 1: on the Saints. So what happened? And it is it
Speaker 1: the sign of him turning a corner? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about here? Is he good now? No?
Speaker 1: I mean he's beginning to turn to the corner. He's
Speaker 1: beginning to make plays. And second game that we've seen
Speaker 1: this year one was the watching football team. He played
Speaker 1: pretty well in that game, even though they came up
Speaker 1: short parsonally because they jumped off sides on the field goal.
Speaker 1: It's him. And then he played really well against the Saints.
Speaker 1: And I hate to be the very bad news for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Ay, this dude is pretty athletic. He's pretty good,
Speaker 1: and they're doing some things that fit his wheelhouse. They're
Speaker 1: using his talents. He can throw the ball and push
Speaker 1: it outside. But he is a very athletic and borderline
Speaker 1: dynamic athlete who can make things happen when he's running
Speaker 1: the ball. So you will see quarterback draws, you will
Speaker 1: see the occasional read option stuff to keep the defense honest,
Speaker 1: and he'll take off and run. And so as he's
Speaker 1: beginning to get more comfortable working under Jason Gett, we're
Speaker 1: beginning to see some of the things that led the
Speaker 1: Giants take him when he was playing. Good dude, he
Speaker 1: is not a Slaus. Now he's I'm not quite ready
Speaker 1: to say hey he's elite, but he's playing pretty well
Speaker 1: and he could be problematic if you don't give him
Speaker 1: the proper respect and attention that he's coming into this game.
Speaker 1: They played that game at New Orleans without Sterling Shepherd
Speaker 1: or Darius slay H and they had their best, obviously
Speaker 1: the best offensive performance. I'm sorry Darres Slayton, so sorry.
Speaker 1: Who filled those roles and what challenges do they present
Speaker 1: that are different from the starters? Well, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the one thing with like Sterling Shepherd is a
Speaker 1: nice like number two, number three option. I think his
Speaker 1: best stuff is when he gets in the slot and
Speaker 1: he's able to work. He's one of the cleanest route
Speaker 1: runners that you'll find, so he can twist and turn
Speaker 1: and get your dbs all in a tizzy with his
Speaker 1: route run ability. Kenny gollade is the guy that they
Speaker 1: brought over to be the number one receiver. He is
Speaker 1: supposed to anchor the passing game. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's the right role for his skill set, but he's
Speaker 1: playing their role. So when you didn't have Shephard, what
Speaker 1: happened is Kadarius Tony, their first round pick, got more
Speaker 1: opportunities to play in more balls win in his direction.
Speaker 1: Kenny Galladey got more balls hit in his direction, and
Speaker 1: then say, Kuon Barkley emerged, and we know if you
Speaker 1: have three dynamic playmakers on an offense, you can make
Speaker 1: that thing work. And so now they have some confidence
Speaker 1: because they moved the ball down the fields the most
Speaker 1: explosive that we've seen. So if you're Jason Garrett and
Speaker 1: you're the Giants, you now try and figure out, Okay,
Speaker 1: how can we build upon the effort that we put
Speaker 1: together against a really solid New Orleans Saints defense. I
Speaker 1: think they come with a lot of confidence and I
Speaker 1: think they try and find a way to pick up
Speaker 1: where they left off against the Saint All right, but
Speaker 1: when the Giants have the ball taking on the Cowboys defense,
Speaker 1: who is the best player from Penn State on the
Speaker 1: field right then? Is it going to be the best
Speaker 1: player on the field from Penn State. Yeah, Look, Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons is playing great, but sae Quon Barkley is a
Speaker 1: difference maker and he is showing no ill effects right
Speaker 1: now from the knee. And so what we saw in
Speaker 1: the last game, we saw the big playability right now,
Speaker 1: he is not this guy that I'm gonna say you,
Speaker 1: but his production kind of goes like this guy goes.
Speaker 1: So when back in the day when I was playing
Speaker 1: Barry Sands was the thing where you see negative run
Speaker 1: to yard game, five year game, fifty yard game. That's
Speaker 1: how sae quon Barkley's production. And so you have to
Speaker 1: give him enough touches to live through some of the
Speaker 1: bad moments so you can be explosive. See the explosive
Speaker 1: pop when they give him the ball twenty to twenty
Speaker 1: five times. At some point he is going to pop
Speaker 1: because he's just too good, too dynamic, too versa as
Speaker 1: a runner and a receiver. To make things happen. It's
Speaker 1: really important that all odds are on twenty six. He
Speaker 1: is the guy that you have to throw a blanket
Speaker 1: on make those other guys win the game. You can't
Speaker 1: let him get loose because when he gives certainly can win.
Speaker 1: That's like that old heavyweight fighter that he may may
Speaker 1: not have what he used to but he can still
Speaker 1: have that one punch and that one punch can knock
Speaker 1: you out. Well, no, he's not like that. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that he's watched up. I think up. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta watch him because he can explode it anytime,
Speaker 1: and he may go through a lull in a game
Speaker 1: where you see ten carries where he doesn't really scratch
Speaker 1: but only eleventh. It's a thirty five yard game, and
Speaker 1: then you look at the end of the game. He
Speaker 1: might have a hundred yard day, but it's one of
Speaker 1: those where it's not a steady drip, it is flood,
Speaker 1: then a famine like it's it's it's really different in
Speaker 1: terms of watching his production. But that going all the
Speaker 1: way back to Penn State, that's how he was productive.
Speaker 1: He's not like the steady Eddy grinded that Ezekiel Ellie
Speaker 1: was at Ohio State and how Ezekiel Elliott has been
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. He is boom or bus when it
Speaker 1: comes to his production. So the Giants caught a lot
Speaker 1: of grief last year because they took Andrew Thomas first
Speaker 1: in that amazing tackle class and he was the worst
Speaker 1: of the group last year. But I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: seeing things, reading things that his level of play is
Speaker 1: improving or am I wrong about that? How's he holding
Speaker 1: up over there left tackle? No, I mean he's doing better.
Speaker 1: I mean he's doing better. And there was a lot
Speaker 1: of surprise about Andrew Thomas going first, But you know,
Speaker 1: like what we're learning is hey, what we thought about
Speaker 1: players prior to the draft. We got to give them
Speaker 1: the benefit of doubt when they get to the new
Speaker 1: teams and they get to the environment, because then it
Speaker 1: becomes about how did they fit within the scheme. Part
Speaker 1: of the reason why he was drafted and selective was
Speaker 1: due to Joe Judge's relationship with Kirby Smart. He really
Speaker 1: went in on the opinion of his buddy, his former colleague,
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart, and so they thought that he would be
Speaker 1: the one who was most ready to play because of
Speaker 1: the experience that he had, the long arms, the pedigree,
Speaker 1: per se, and so he struggled. But a lot of
Speaker 1: guys like the second year is really when you see
Speaker 1: the jump from how they played their first yet and
Speaker 1: the second year we have seen a bit of a jump.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been all star caliber, but it's certainly been
Speaker 1: solid for them and whether Giants needed they need a
Speaker 1: solid play after getting so much shoddy play from the
Speaker 1: officeive line for years. All right, Bucky, appreciate the time.
Speaker 1: We'll have you back tomorrow. We'll talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the New York Giant defense versus the Cowboys offense.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take our final break. I got some questions
Speaker 1: for these guys. We'll talk a little bit more about
Speaker 1: this defense and how it's going to be affected with
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith no longer on the team, will do that
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Speaker 1: segment of the Braakelof in the s WBC Mortgage Studios
Speaker 1: at the Star again the News of the Day Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: released by the Dallas Cowboys. I had a question for
Speaker 1: you guys. It's changed a little bit. I was going
Speaker 1: to ask you guys in this final segment about Michael Parsons,
Speaker 1: and we saw, you know, he's he's kind of moved
Speaker 1: around in different games, playing defensive end, playing linebacker. Last week,
Speaker 1: it seemed like to me, just without looking at numbers,
Speaker 1: seemed like he played a lot more linebacker than defensive
Speaker 1: end last week. How much do you do you think
Speaker 1: what first of all, what do you think they're going
Speaker 1: to do with him this week? And how much do
Speaker 1: you think, if at all, Jayala no longer being on
Speaker 1: the team affects that. I think it can only be
Speaker 1: a positive thing. And I wrote about this. I wrote
Speaker 1: a story kind of just thinking forward, what might what
Speaker 1: it might look like. And I'll just pull out my
Speaker 1: old cliche from a couple of years ago. Three to
Speaker 1: play two. That's what you got now, at least in
Speaker 1: your in your nickel. And I just I think of
Speaker 1: Layton vander Esh as my well. I think of Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderesh and Michael Parsons platooning the mic job with Kean
Speaker 1: O'Neill as your primary will maybe Jabril Cox is part
Speaker 1: of that eventually, and just and the number of snaps
Speaker 1: Latent plays just depends on what else dan quin Quinn
Speaker 1: wants him to do. Um. I think he'll play more
Speaker 1: linebacker as the season goes. But again, you say, we're
Speaker 1: thinking we want you I for eighteen snaps down and end,
Speaker 1: and then we can get you forty eight lineback. I
Speaker 1: don't know however the math works out whatever, but so
Speaker 1: you can swap those two guys in and out. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like when you when you do another part of
Speaker 1: this whole thing that I actually was talking to our
Speaker 1: producer Chris Beam last night, who brought this up, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like when you get some loans, you know,
Speaker 1: at some point you gotta pay it back. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: they had five or six guys they oh, we could
Speaker 1: put put these guys on IR. Just put them on
Speaker 1: IR and then when they come back, they'll they'll come
Speaker 1: back later on in the season. And well, here we are,
Speaker 1: and some of these guys are starting to come back,
Speaker 1: and you gotta take somebody's roster spot. And you know,
Speaker 1: and you think about the the younger guys that are
Speaker 1: being inactive, the mcquomus of the world, where they don't
Speaker 1: want to cut those guys, I mean, they want to
Speaker 1: hang onto them. So something's got to happen. They got
Speaker 1: to pay the piper here. And that's where the Jalen
Speaker 1: Smiths and I'm not saying there's gonna be more of those,
Speaker 1: but there's gotta be more guys getting cut. There will
Speaker 1: be more guys getting released. And so that's where a
Speaker 1: lot of this kind of goes into play. Let's let's
Speaker 1: not forget that part of it too, is they had
Speaker 1: some roster decisions to make. You can't just say, hey,
Speaker 1: getting real close on Michael Gallop coming back, which he's not.
Speaker 1: He's actually a few weeks away. But you know, the
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph's really close, and Neville Gallimore was a lot
Speaker 1: of guys. Yeah, yeah, there could be a bloodletting when
Speaker 1: the bye week's over. Honestly, there are two games away,
Speaker 1: so I mean, you know, we'll see what happens in
Speaker 1: these two games. But then on the other side of
Speaker 1: the bye week, there's probably at least three or four
Speaker 1: guys that could be Like I think Gallup's probably aiming
Speaker 1: to come back after the bye I don't know about Gallimore.
Speaker 1: Joseph is another one. She still haven't heard from, Sean
Speaker 1: mccun Josh Ball as well. I mean, okay, so here's
Speaker 1: the interesting part. If you guys think you can give
Speaker 1: me some names of some guys that you're looking at
Speaker 1: my firing people here on the air, and no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: and and by the way, let's let's put caveats on this,
Speaker 1: like there's no there's no obviously no guarantee here, but
Speaker 1: they do have to make some moves. Who are some
Speaker 1: of the guys that you look at and you're like,
Speaker 1: because of all the things factored in the money, the contract,
Speaker 1: how they're playing, the other depth that they have in
Speaker 1: the position, who are some of those guys Tian Secky
Speaker 1: you know, I mean Lyle Collins comes back from from
Speaker 1: didn't even mention Lyle. Yeah, but he should come back
Speaker 1: in a couple two more games. Um, you know, then
Speaker 1: you feel like Steel will be the you know, swing
Speaker 1: tackle for sure, Josh Balls coming back. I just don't
Speaker 1: see the point five for Taney. I mean I was
Speaker 1: gonna say Brandon Knight for similar reasons. Maybe Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean you know, you look at some of these
Speaker 1: receivers you've got. You have you know, Fijoko and you
Speaker 1: have Malique Turner now, so you don't need to keep
Speaker 1: those of them when gallops back. So I mean now
Speaker 1: they needed some more linebackers, though, I do think they
Speaker 1: need to add line I mean I think at one
Speaker 1: point Francis Bernard's another I R guy or he might
Speaker 1: be pup. Yeah. I mean they only had six linebackers
Speaker 1: with Jalen Smith like when they entered the season, and
Speaker 1: and that that's not even on I mean that's the
Speaker 1: whole team practice squad and everything. That's who they have
Speaker 1: to practice every week is six and now they only
Speaker 1: have five. And you know they had five when Keane
Speaker 1: O'Neill was out, So they need a little bit of
Speaker 1: depth there. But they don't have anybody on the practice squad,
Speaker 1: I think, so what about the secondary? Is there anybody
Speaker 1: that needs to hanging in there that they Maurice Kennedy,
Speaker 1: that's possible, That's which I don't mind talking about it,
Speaker 1: but that's there's a lot of moving parts and there's
Speaker 1: just no real way to know. So we're just kind
Speaker 1: of throwing out names of guys who don't have a
Speaker 1: clearly defined role. That's basically what we do. Is actually
Speaker 1: what we what we're trying to get to is like
Speaker 1: what a that? Who is that list of guys that
Speaker 1: could be on a list that the Cowboys would have,
Speaker 1: But these are the guys that you may have to
Speaker 1: part ways with. Bradley and I I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: player that's you know, he comes back from COVID, but
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know what his role
Speaker 1: is exactly. And and Kamara's kind of in there too.
Speaker 1: I mean Kamara for Suremars the guy definitely and that's
Speaker 1: that's one that you would you would think that they
Speaker 1: would hope, hopefully they would think, you know, if we
Speaker 1: got to cut him, maybe we can get him back
Speaker 1: to our practice squad if nobody's gonna claim him, right yeah,
Speaker 1: But I mean it's it can get interesting and defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: If Galimore comes back, Watkins comes back, Tristan Hill, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, they gotta figure something out there. And we
Speaker 1: said that from the whole offseason, like there's just too
Speaker 1: many guys. Something will shake out, and it kind of did.
Speaker 1: But now if it gets back into the mix, well
Speaker 1: the other thing too. And not to sit on the
Speaker 1: fence too much, but it's the most violent sport. There's
Speaker 1: two more games. The odds, i mean, the odds that
Speaker 1: they make it through two games with nothing happening are slim.
Speaker 1: So some of these decisions will be made easy for
Speaker 1: him because something will happen. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: cop out, but that's just the reality of the sport,
Speaker 1: right true. Yeah, all right, we appreciate you guys join us.
Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow. We'll get it to a little
Speaker 1: more talk on the New York Giant defense. This time
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