WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Why Now With Jaylon? 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.160 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:18.920 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Let's go. Are you 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:23.079 ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:27.360 Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that. 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.720 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:39.080 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.360 It is Wednesday, October sixth, twenty twenty one, season seventeen, 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.120 episode number thirty five. Welcome to the latest edition of 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:49.559 The Break Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.000 the Star. And I have to admit last night I 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.000 was thinking, Man, I really don't know how we're gonna 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.600 lead the show today. No, we're gonna talk to Bucky 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.960 and talk a little bit about the the New York 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.200 Giants their offense. But I really didn't know what we're 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.839 gonna talk about. And then literally literally about thirty minutes later, 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.720 the news breaks and I'm like, we got our first segment. 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.080 Here we go first, right, it might actually take a 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.920 lot more than that. But God, but and again I'm 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.640 not I am not at all rejoicing in another man sorrow. 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.440 I never am happy when a player gets released but 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.000 I do understand the business of football and business football 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:26.039 said that this was something that probably needed to happen. 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.640 Timing was interesting, but Jalen Smith released by the Dallas 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.680 Cowboys last night. Mike McCarthy said in his press conference 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:34.360 a few minutes ago that this was a big picture 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.200 roster move. He said. He said they felt like this 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.280 was the best time to do it, and it wasn't 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.920 an easy decision for them, is what he said. They 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.000 still owe him. I think what is it, seven million 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.400 dollars for this season a little over that. So the 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.320 question for you guys is, and I think these are 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.520 two different questions, so answer them as such, why and 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:57.279 why now? So let's start first with you Nick. Why 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.280 I think that. I think it is a big picture move. 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.720 And I've said this before. I said it's on the radio. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.000 This is a situation of I'm gonna get you before 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.720 you get me. That's what I believe. That's why I 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.400 think it's a why now, playing that he's on the 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.720 hook for seven million dollars this year, that nothing can 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.360 change with that next year if he's hurt in any way, 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.639 and I'm talking about hurt for March fifteenth or whenever 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.400 the new league. Gear is hurt, can't pass the physical 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:29.399 because he had a surgery or something. That's nine million dollars. 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.480 His agent would be the dumbest agent in the world 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.120 if they didn't figure out a way to do that. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.200 So that's a way that would be. They could get him, 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:37.800 they could get the Cowboys. I think this is a 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.240 way of I'll get you before you get me. We 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.800 don't feel like you're a good enough player to do 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.359 this for next year. We've already made our bed this year. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.120 You're not playing a whole lot, so you're playing okay, 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.040 let's just move on and give you another opportunity. I 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.239 think I think those two things go hand in hand. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.320 That's what I stressed to people when we talk about 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.240 this is like nobody woke up yesterday and there's like 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.480 a Jalen Sich and they flipped it. You know, nobody 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.560 woke up and decided like this is the day that 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.160 this has happened. These are conversations that have been happening 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.720 probably since February, and then again in March, and then 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.760 again in April, and then again after you draft Michael Parsons, 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.240 and then again after you draft Jabril Cox, and then again, 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.280 like every day during training camp and during the preseason. 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.160 And this isn't to make us sound smart. We were 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.639 caught completely off guard, just like the rest of the world. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.200 But have we not heard whispers of this being a 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.280 possibility since mid August? Yeah? I mean, if you don't 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.120 want to believe me, that's fine, but it's just the facts. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.280 We can't go public with everything we hear in this job. 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:41.120 This is something they've been considering. Jalen has got us 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.600 spent over barrel. We're stuck with this contract through this year. 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.760 The minute the league years started, we knew that we 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:51.080 weren't really planning on drafting Micah Parsons. We weren't really 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.720 planning on Jabril Cox falling to us at one fifteen. 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:55.600 We thought he'd be long gone by the time day 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.640 three started. Both of those things happened. So now we 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.520 got all these guys, Well, let's go to training camp 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:03.680 and give the new defensive coordinator a chance to figure 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:05.600 this whole thing out and see who can play and 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.640 who can't play, and who picks up the scheme. How 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:11.600 good is Parsons? Really turns out he's awesome, and I 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.880 think that, I mean, that's a big part of it. Obviously, 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.760 you hope the number twelve overall pick is good enough, 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.680 but you're not going to make those decisions until you 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.080 see it. So Parsons checks every box. You get into 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.679 the season, you even see you're life and I completely 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.839 believe Mike McCarthy. Jalen Smith has seemed to have a 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.080 great attitude about this whole thing. Honestly, I don't have 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.360 a bad thing to say about him as a person. 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.320 All of my criticism has mainly just been he hasn't 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.640 lived up to his contract, not even close. So then 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.160 you get into the season you say, all right, well 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.599 let's platoon this thing and see how it works. You've 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.640 played a month, you got four games of tape. The 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.880 issues are there for anybody that wants to see him. 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.680 You got a really promising rookie. They've also had a 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.520 chance for Jabril Cox to practice and kind of show them. 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.760 They're like, okay, like we feel good about him as 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:57.680 a secondary option. We're not gonna throw him into the 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:01.880 starting lineup, but between Neil Vander Esh Parsons and then 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.760 throwing Cox as well, we feel pretty good about this. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.279 And then to nixt point, they say, if anything happens 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.880 to this guy. We're on the hook for next year's 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.719 salary too. We're gonna have to pay him nine million 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.680 dollars and so I've been talking for ten minutes at 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:17.880 this point. But it's all all of this has to 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:19.680 be considered. Like I said, you didn't wake up one 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.039 day and we're like, we finally admit that this guy's 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.200 not good, he can't play. We're cutting him today. That's 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:28.360 not how it works. It is six months of analysis 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.960 and conversation from ten different places. McCarthy had a role 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:33.560 in this, Quinn had a role in this, The front 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.480 office had a role in this, and the players as well, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.400 because the young guys had to prove that they were 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:43.040 capable of handling that role. And they got together Tuesday 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:44.840 and they were like, yeah, this seems like as good 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:48.440 a time as any. He would also think it was 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.200 getting to a point where he was going to be inactive, 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.080 and really, yeah, I do. I mean, I think in 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.520 week one he was almost inactive. But it's almost like 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.520 the politics of we want to do this and we 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.320 know this is going to be a distraction, because it's 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.720 not a distraction when Louke Gifford's inactive. You know, I mean, 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.960 that's just it is. Jayleen's inactive, then that's a story 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.960 and we people talk about that. So I definitely our headline. Yeah, 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.400 so I think it's more of a hey, let's just 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.560 do it, Just do it now, everything they've said, get 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.040 it out of the way. I think I think that 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.680 Donovan Wilson, of all people, I think he kind of 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.360 helps that too. He comes back at safety or he's 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.640 getting close to coming back. Jayron Curse is such a 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.839 dynamic player. Him and Kean O'Neill can help with the 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.919 Nickels stuff. I mean, there's just there's just ways of 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.400 like maybe Jalen doesn't need to be on the field, 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.520 and then factoring it all in, it's you know, there's 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.760 a lot to it. And I believe Mike McCarthy when 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:42.960 he says this was a difficult decision. I don't I 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.080 don't think he should have said that he has played 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.120 excellent football because you don't cut excellent players. You don't 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.279 cut excellent players when you don't have to. Yeah, I 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.400 mean you've already paid for it, and you only cut 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.520 excellent players because of the salary cap. But even at 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.400 that point, they're not excellent anything. It's already spent money though, 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.240 so that those cap casualties are never players. They're not 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.000 excellent players. So he's never that and a guy that's 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.640 at the top of his game. But I mean, the 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.760 thing about Jayleen two, I think we need to we 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:12.720 need to talk about this. We had a mail bag 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.880 question about his legacy and all that. I mean, we're 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.760 gonna I guess we'll get to them here. But I 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:21.840 just like everybody on the here on this show, and 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.080 some more than others. Some aren't here, but but everybody 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.120 gives Jalen his you know, he just is an eye 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.600 roll all the time. But is he a bad guy? 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.080 Like the thing is is, yeah, we could have gotten 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:39.360 cute swipe laugh taha. It's not funny. That guy has 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.680 never been a jerk to anyone in the media. And 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:44.400 he could have been. He I mean he's been he 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.120 could have been real surly can he hasn't. He's got 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.360 a good attitude. People don't like it. People don't. They 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.560 think he's delusional. They think he's unaware of the situation 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.520 or just doesn't care, or he's fake or whatever. But 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.360 you know, I think at the end of the day, 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:02.720 I I I never really I never disliked him at all, 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.840 and I just think, you know, people, he's maybe misunderstood, 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.080 but you know, it's it's it's a kind of a 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.240 it's up in the air on did he have a 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.040 successful story or not because he's been cut because he 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.880 had a successful Yeah, I think so. He's professional football. 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.040 And basically, I don't know how many of us or 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.040 anybody that was watch his football thought at the moment 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.680 that he had that injury in that bowl game. I 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.880 think most people felt like, at best, he will get 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:31.160 into the NFL and not do anything. And he had 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.760 one year one year I was he was okay, that's fine, 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:36.880 had two good seasons. I was gonna say that one 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.360 year to me was a standout year. That was a 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.319 year when I look at him and I'm like, he 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:44.079 was every bit as good as any other middle linebacker 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:45.640 that you want to look at around the league. In 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.800 my opinion, maybe not better, but he was just as 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.280 good as those guys in that one year. For me, 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.000 it's I mean, Nick, I'm still on this point. Straight 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:54.800 from Nick, he opened my eyes to this. I don't 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.880 remember when he said it, but the thing that people 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:02.840 hate about Jalen is the obliviousness that naivete that everything's 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:04.720 gonna be all right, even though you can see me 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:09.880 just trailing Odell Beckham by fifteen yards. Everything's great. It's 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.160 the same attitude that got him there in the first place. 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:17.400 It's so true because, like I remember in twenty sixteen 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.360 standing there talking to the guy, and I'm like, my dude, 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.480 your foot is in a brace to keep it upright, 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.560 like you can't walk without the assistance of a medical device. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.760 How can you possibly be this upbeat and confident that 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.720 you're gonna be okay? And he was and it worked. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.640 And I wrote this in the mailbag, like it's just 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.640 it just completely encapsulates the nature of the NFL that 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.800 he came from this low point of his life and 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.240 got to a crazy high, got a sixty five million 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.760 dollar contract out of it, and just a little over 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:51.480 two years later he's not good enough to be on 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.320 the roster. How much do you guys think that this 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.560 affects the locker room, because there's been some talk about 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.960 that from the standpoint that he at least has a 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.960 perception from the outside looking in that he is a 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:05.640 leader of this defense. Is that what you perceive? I 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.520 don't think that most of the guys in the locker 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.040 room like him. I haven't heard players necessarily have bad 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:13.760 things to say about him. How do you think this 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:15.840 affects the locker room in this type of situation where, 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:17.760 by the way, they're playing really well right now. I 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:19.559 don't think it affects it at all. If it does, 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.840 it affects it in a positive way. I really in 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.880 what way? I think the fact that they the media 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.360 looks and sees this guy can't play anymore, can't run. 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.040 The players see it, they know it, you know. And 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:35.920 I think you know when a guy's standing up in 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.559 the room and you know, it's hard to be a 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.880 leader when you're not a great player. It's really hard. Yeah. 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:42.840 But the flip side to that is, and we probably 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.040 have all seen this type of situation, there's sometimes people 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.240 who they mean so much to everybody in the room. 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.920 It's not really about their production as much as it 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:56.000 is their presence. Their presence just brings something to the room, 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.440 even though you know they're not at their best, and 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.800 you know why because you know what he's been through, Like, 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.480 there's still something about their presence that has a way 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.520 of motivating people, has a way of kind of you know, 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:09.320 you don't know. Is he that kind of dude that 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.480 when someone's having an off day, he's the one who 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.320 goes to sit down at Lockman says, man, you got 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.679 to you good, Like those kinds of things matter. Right 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:17.600 day before he weigh in on this, I'm just gonna say, 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.679 if this, if this football team at three and one 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:21.440 can't figure out a way to get up for the 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.920 New York Giants because a guy that because their fifth linebackers, 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.360 and shame on them. I don't think it affects them 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.920 at all. Get ready to play. Hey, it doesn't matter 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.240 where you're playing, home Way Parking Lot, the moon right 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.000 because Jason Garrett's coming in. So you know what, it 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.920 was such a good Jason Garrett. I said, God, everything 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.439 about that. I hate the way he's left an imprint 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.280 on me because last night I was like, look, this 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.560 comes with the dinner. I say that all the time. 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.880 I think. I think Jalen Smith is very well liked. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.840 I don't think that he is followed, you know. I 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.160 mean that's a good to sit here right now and 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.440 tell you, like Dak is the heartbeat of this team 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.640 that they go where he and they got on the 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:06.160 defense TBD. I mean was it was it? Jay? And 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.199 I don't think so? And that's there was there was 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.000 a clip. Is Trayvon Digs's middle name start with the B? 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.640 I mean, is that TBD? There we go, give it 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.760 three more weeks and it might be number eleven. Seriously, 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.440 it might already. It might already be. Which actually there's 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.560 precedent for this. I brought this up last night, and 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.240 I firmly believe it. To Nick's point, this team's kicking 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.840 ass right now. You know what solves everything winning games. 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:34.199 It wasn't he wasn't cut. But remember where this team 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.600 was in August of twenty sixteen when the only reason 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.640 that they had ever been good in the last decade 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.240 got hurt and it was doom and gloom. And then 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.280 Dak gets them off to a four and one five 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.800 and one start, and people like Dez Bryant, who Tony 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.079 Romo made his career, is like, I don't know, man, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.160 I'm Jason Witt, Yeah, same thing. Yeah, I don't think 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.800 we can be pulling this four guy out of the 0:12:55.800 --> 0:13:00.000 lineup if you're winning for I mean, sorry, if it's disrespectful, 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.559 nobody gives it, damn and they're winning and they're good, 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.880 and it's no disrespect to Jalen. It's not because of him, 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.920 and so I'm not worried about it, to be honest 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.319 with you. Yeah, and you know, you ask another question 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.959 why I was talking to you in your office before. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.560 Here's here's the reason why I was looking at the stats. Okay, 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.640 he has nineteen tackles this year. That's fourth on the team. 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:21.640 That's a little surprising to me to think it was 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.040 that high. It's more than Michael Parsons, it's more than 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.280 a few players. But on the way the stats were 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.760 laid out, there's tackles and then there's everything else. There's 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:34.319 a sack, there's the interception, force, fumbles for fumble recoveries, 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:38.800 pass deflections, hurries, tackles for lass, all these things. He 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.480 had zero. He had nothing on there. The top fourteen 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.360 players on the list have something. They have an interception, 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.719 they have fumble, they have hurries, they have tackling, they 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:51.320 have they have something. Jalen has absolutely nothing on that. 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.839 And so yes, he's playing and tackling, but he's not 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.400 making plays. He's out there doing stuff and doing his job, 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.880 but not to the point of anything else that you 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:03.880 bring to the table, and I thought that was kind 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.400 of an important to look at it and go, yeah, 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.040 he's playing okay, but he doesn't give you anything else. 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.439 The other fourteen guys gives you something. I'm not trying 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.520 to make jokes, but we talked about it last year. 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.920 It's like, I don't think it's a coincidence that he's 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.240 usually diving on the pile at the end of these plays. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.280 And that's you know, there are people out there on 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.880 social media they're like, he's led the team in tackles 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.400 X amount of years and like, no, I don't care 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.560 if ninety percent of those are eight, ten, twelve yards 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:33.320 down the field. It's not a meaningful stat's leading, I 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.680 tell you this. And and there's a guy that just 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.600 about to get cut intow England right that everybody's talking about. Okay, 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:41.680 why do they want the Why do the Cowboys want 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.240 him to replace? Who? Who do they want to replace? 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.480 Anthony Brown? Okay, who you know leads the team? Makes 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.800 you say it? Why do Cowboys fans want them to replace? 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.440 Fans want to get I want you say why the Cowboys? 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.400 I don't want to know Thewboys fans they wants to 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:57.000 find Gilmore so they can replace Anthony Brown, who leads 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.600 the team in tackles. No one cares the one wants 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.640 that's out for good reason that he leads the team 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:05.840 and tackles. So you know that's that's that's wild. Cornerback leads, 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.040 I know tackle that's actually yeah, that's not a craty 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:09.800 good thing. Yeah, it's not a great buff because this 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.960 guy over here, you know, I don't want to mess 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.640 with him, and when we do, it goes the other way. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.080 So you know, Anthony Brown gets this year and Anthony 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.720 Brown's playing okay, he is. Honestly, Anthony Brown to me 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.760 is having probably is good to us start to a 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.360 season as I've seen from him. Now he's gonna get 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.640 and and he's gonna get even more attention. Now. The 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.400 more attention that Diggs gets, the more attention that he's 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.480 gonna get in future weeks because defense is gonna say, 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.120 we're gonna go at him. But I think he's played 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.000 fairly well for who for what he's done his career. Yeah, 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.760 and what's the one play Anthony Brown that we remember, Well, 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.160 there's been too that he did miss the tackle against 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.440 the Chargers, but the other play that everyone kind of 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.160 remembered Anthony Antonio Brown. Yeah, I mean that was that 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.800 was one that, you know, after talking a few people, 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.040 you're like, what Casey was the one that kind of 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.640 I love the irony. I don't disagree with anything you've 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.400 just said. And I think Anthony Brown's been pretty good too. Um, 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.720 he's public enemy number one. Jalen Smith is a target 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:05.120 just moved. The target shifted about eight yards to the right. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.880 And it's I'm sorry, Anthony, it just is what it is. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.160 Here's where you are in your career, bro. Yeah, Anthony 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.520 Brown's a sixth round pick who got to a second deal. 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.240 And now, by the way, there's three guys left from 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:20.000 twenty sixteen now top five Cowboy draft class ever? Right, 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.440 that's fair? Right? Oh yeah, yeah definitely, so top five 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:27.280 draft class ever? Who's left? The number four overall pick, 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.520 the franchise quarterback that you tripped over, and Anthony Brown. 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.560 So I promise you Anthon's andy is. He's fine. Anthony 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.040 Brown's doesn't give a damn what you think. And by 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:38.840 the way, his career will not be over. If after 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.680 this year the Cowboys move on, his career will not 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.760 be over. He'll play somewhere else. He'll have another few 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.680 years of good production. So for him as a sixth 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.400 round pick, he's already overachieved what you would expect achieved 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.520 week one of his rookie year because he was in 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.640 the starting lineup when he when he was talking trash 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.920 to Steve Smith from the Ravens. That's when I was like, Wow, 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.840 this guy got a little something. It's kind a chip 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.320 on his shot. He's playing white like white. Literally, Yeah, 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.199 that rookie year. You don't remember that. Now. I'm just 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.320 saying Steve Smith's been out four minutes, so it just 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:12.520 kind of context Sante Samuel's kids started against this team 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:17.000 of two weeks ago. Very true. What I mean, what's thanks? 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.480 I mean he's gonna I mean, man, he's gonna play 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.200 in the NFL play but he'll play for a little 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:29.119 bit more. But he got media. I mean in his 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:33.720 future business I think business, business, sure, business, for sure. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:35.840 He knows what he's doing on that front. He's got 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.600 a whole program where he's working with young entrepreneurs. He 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.159 gets that part like he's not a dumb guy. Remember 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.000 he went to Notre Dame. Dumb people don't go to 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.560 Notre Dame. I don't think so. I mean, I think 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.080 he's got a bright future in whatever he wants to 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.800 get into. Um, I don't know about the media thing 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.760 for him, just because I don't know if he's as 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.719 likable in that kind of way from the standpoint of 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.919 like fans really like when he talks. I don't know 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:59.720 that he's saying things that people are just like, oh 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:01.359 my god, I love listening to Scott talk. He's not 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.359 like Randy like you listen to Randy talking like man, 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.400 I love listening to Scott talk. He always has insightful 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.840 things to say. I think Jalen's more of kind of 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.200 the canned thing. So I don't know if that works 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:10.960 from a media standpoint. You would have to drop the 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.560 stick to do that for a living. Because he was 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:15.719 here for six years and I never felt like I 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.240 was getting something authentic from him the whole time, which 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.320 again it goes back to the whole thing of like 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.000 that helped him recover from his injury clear eye view, 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.480 But I don't I think it wears then after a while. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.680 But I do think he'll be successful in whatever else 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.960 he decides. I mean that's and I know it annoyed 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.640 people because he wasn't playing up to his contract. But yeah, 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.840 he's impressive with him. He's got small businesses in like 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:40.720 Florida and Indianna, and he's helped people entrepreneurs invest and 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.679 it's he's very he gives to the community and all that. 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.000 Like again, don't have a bad thing to say about 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.280 the guy as a person, just it's unfortunate what happened 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.160 with this contract. All right, we're gonna take our first break. 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.080 When we come back, We're gonna be joined by Bucky 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.639 Brooks of NFL Network. We'll talk shift the conversation a 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.000 little bit, talk about the New York Giants offense versus 0:18:58.000 --> 0:18:59.960 the Cowboys defense. We may even ask him a little 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.040 about Jalen smithldeal will come right back. Is the Dallas 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.600 Cowboys dot com Radio. Before there was a draft, you 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.560