WEBVTT - Judged by Twelve, Carried by Six 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:11.120 You are listening to reparation production of my heart ratio. Yo, Yo, 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.360 this is ship to bring Bushwick. I back told you 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.560 all these rappers on some bushit. I rack five stacks 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.280 as you get devoured by my fly trap them so dope. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:22.960 You can find crack on in my spine tap. 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It's like 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:18.800 my Savannah hometown song. So in preparation, I have been 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:23.080 doing a lot of interviews. Um. I did podcast called 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.440 the Riff the other night, and I did my homie 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.760 Tayammu Denku, who's a rapper from uh Milwaukee. I did 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:37.040 his podcast The Taking, a part of Passion Podcast. It's 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.160 been it's been fun. Yeah. I just I think I 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.840 think I'm starting to get kind of like an interview 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:46.119 character down intact. So it's how similar to to your 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.960 rap character like on stage. I mean, I feel like 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:50.520 you're a pretty much the same person, but you know, 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.200 I think it's it's a yeah, I think I think 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.760 my interview When I say interview character, I guess I 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.480 just mean, you know, I feel like I feel like 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.480 a lot more open when I'm asking people questions, but 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.960 when I'm getting interviewed, I feel like I've I've been 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:05.840 kind of stiff in the past, but now I'm just 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.240 opening up and telling, you know, jokes that I tell 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:12.120 when I have regular conversations with people, so I feel 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.440 that they feel they went well. In any event, I 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.440 just like got off of an hour long conversation about 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.880 like my bio and stuff like that. So I'm feeling 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.160 really loosey goosey. So you're loosened up. Yeah, Yeah, I'm 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.280 I'm loose. I'm ready to talk. I'd already talking. Yeah, 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:31.079 that's not that ship. So today we're gonna talk about 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.200 the legal concept of self defense, which is being invoked 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:38.760 in several um high profile trials right now. Um. The 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.240 McMichael family has claimed self defense in the murder case 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.040 of Ahmad are Very, which is taking place in South 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:49.799 Georgia this week. Um Uh. Kylin Rittenhouse also in folk 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.600 self defense for the killing of two BLM protesters in Kenosha, 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:56.160 Wisconsin last summer. Doing his trial that has been going 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:00.720 on is actually wrapping up this week. But when are 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:02.919 black people allowed to evoke self defense? If at all? 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:08.519 This week we'll discuss highlights from both trials. Highlights from 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.840 this week. We'll discuss highlights from both trials, their implications, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.239 as well as some lesser known legal cases of self 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.840 defense in the world of hip hop. Just to recap, 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.000 what are your thoughts generally on the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.079 Last time that we talked about the Kyle Rittenhouse trial 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.360 directly on this show, I think it had to have 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.040 been a year ago at this point, probably, I mean, 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.880 probably right after it happened, Yeah, exactly, like maybe even 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.000 if so, I mean the last time that we delved 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.160 into this case, I mean they still thought that a 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:41.280 flaming object was thrown at him, all that sort of stuff. 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.040 I think general thoughts are now Yeah, I think he 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:49.600 came up last of October one of last year, is um, 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.960 when we had our guns episode. I'll be talking a 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:57.520 little bit about Kyle Rittenhouse. Um. I think I mean. 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:02.280 The most the UCH year headlines I guess that have 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.920 drawn my eye over the course of this trial have 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.560 pertained to the improprieties of the judge who was very 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:14.240 clearly skewed in favor of written House, anything from allowing 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.480 him to draw the pieces of paper on which were 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:21.160 written the juror's name, to determine who would actually partake 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:25.880 in the like verdict deciding proceedings. I'm sure there's a 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:31.440 technical term, but that I don't care. Well. That was 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:35.760 the lawyer that was mean. That was also like egregious. Um. 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:40.200 The judge had the jury clap for one of the 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.239 UH witnesses for the defense because he was a veteran 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:46.560 and it was veteran's day. Um. And going all the 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.080 way back to when they were deciding what, um, what 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.039 evidence was or what you know, what was allowed in 0:04:53.080 --> 0:05:00.280 the courtroom, um, declaring that the people written House killed. Um, 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.240 we're not allowed to be called victims, but we're allowed 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.160 to be called writers and rioters and looters if the 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.600 defense could present evidence that that was true. So much 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:15.120 the judges turned this case into a farce pretty much effectively. 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.440 And I mean, the thing is, the thing that makes 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.360 it so striking is that the Amad are very cases 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:25.880 going on simultaneously, so which I have heard conspiracy theories 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.920 that that is on purpose. Because most people are talking 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.719 about the Written House trial. Um, the Ahmad Aubrey trial 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:39.480 is not receiving the same level of public scrutiny, and 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.359 that will make it if the McMichaels and their friend 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:48.479 get off. Um, sorry I got spooked because Paul just 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.840 came out of nowhere. If the McMichaels and their friends 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.600 get off, then there won't be as much holla baloo 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.200 because people will not have noticed because they wouldn't weren't 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:02.800 following it. I mean, I think, I I don't I 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.440 don't know if that's coordinated, but I think I might 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.640 have to play a little bit of Devil's advocate just 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.479 at that point, not that you were making that point, 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:16.800 but the Kyle Rittenhouse case is more ambiguous and nuanced, 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.240 and there's a lot of more moving pieces in it, 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.520 which is why I think it's a bigger story just 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:27.560 just from like a pure like wet drives ratings and 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:32.080 wit drives eyeballs to click on stuff. Something that's more 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.039 you know, just kind of dark and macaw, but something 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.560 that seems like it's more of a coin toss is 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.200 gonna be more exciting for people to consume. Like as 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.480 a news story, I think with with the people with 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.719 what what people do know about the ahmad are very case, 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.760 I mean, and who knows. People may be shocked, some 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.120 people may be shocked if those guys get off, but 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.960 I think everyone is more or less expecting those guys 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.920 to go down. We both and therefore I think that's 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.000 why it's it might not be, but you know, you know, 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.400 you never know. I mean, you know the Kyle rittenhouse cases, 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.440 like a young white kid, that's you know, maybe that's 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:14.480 that's what's attracting the eyeballs. But I don't know. Um. 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.960 I do know that that striking comparison is going to 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:22.200 make it that if those two outcomes of the outcomes 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.040 that at least I expect they're gonna happen, which is 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:32.000 that Rittenhouse walks and the McMichaels go down. I think 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.679 that it's gonna I don't know it's gonna it's gonna 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.840 cause like a, I don't even know what it's gonna cause. 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:40.880 But I just know there's not going to really be 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.040 any sort of way that you can look at the 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.760 Written House trial coming out of that and think that 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:51.200 it just isn't you know, tarred with like shenanigans and 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.280 fuck are you because of what the judges doing effectively. 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.600 But yeah, we'll get into all that and more after 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:15.280 the jump. Okay, we're back, And for those who have 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.520 not been obsessively watching the news over the last two weeks, 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.800 closing arguments were heard Monday for the murder trial co 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.480 Written House, um, who, at seventeen years old on August 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.360 cross state lines with an illegal firearm to take the 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.480 streets of Kenosha, Wisconsin, during the protest against the shooting 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.480 of Jacob Blake by police officer days earlier. Using an 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:42.000 A R fifteen type rifle, he killed Joseph Rosenbaum Pty six, 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:47.200 Anthony Hubert, and wounded Gauge Growth Crews twenty seven during 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:50.559 the street demonstrations. Written House is now eighteen, and it's 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.680 been charged with five felony accounts and a misdemeanors weapons 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.880 charge that I think has subsequently been dropped. There's like 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.440 a loophole, dadda. But the fellow needs include one count 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.959 of first degree reckless homicide, two counts of first degree 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.600 recklessly in endangering safety, and two counts of first degree 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:12.000 intentional homicide, saying that he on purpose tried to kill 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:18.120 or no did kill um Ebony Huber and Joseph Rosenbaum 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.800 um So if convicted of the homicide chargers. If convicted 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.520 of the homicide charges, Written House will spend the rest 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.120 of his life in prison. Now a. Rittenhouse claimed that 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.199 he was there as a medic to protect stores from looters. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.880 Interestingly enough, the little punk as bitch medic did not 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.480 attempt to render any aid to the people he claims 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.520 he shot in self defense. The video presented in the 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:44.160 trials shows the bystanders rendering aid to Rose Bomb after 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.040 he was shot in the head by Rittenhouse. He then 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.320 ran away after he shot Grosscroots in the arm. A 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.680 live stream captures rose Roots yelling for medic, but the 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:57.160 clip shows written House walking away from the scene as 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.800 an armored vehicle drives by him, and people nearby yell 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.160 he shot them. At the trial, he also admitted that 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.040 he falsely claimed to be a certified e m T 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.360 the night of the shooting, but his legal team is 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:14.840 claiming self defense. UM. His lawyer John Pierce stated in 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.760 a video posted Twitter last year, if this is not 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.840 self defense for Kyle written House under these circumstances, then 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.319 no one can protect themselves, no one can protect their family, 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:28.440 and no one can protect their country. Um, which I 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.280 just think has so many applications to it. Okay, Like 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.880 we all know that's that it's like typical fucking n 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.480 r A gun jargon talk, so we all know that's bullshit. 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.120 The thing that I kind of want to like think 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.120 about it is like I think that the wrong argument 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.680 to have about the Kyle Written or not even the 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.000 wrong argument now because the cases about self defense, But 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:55.520 in terms of what we want to point out, I 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.040 think we should be attacking more the idea of why 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.240 he was there first place, you know, and and and 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:07.280 and because at the end of the day, somebody did 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:08.880 you know, at the end of the day, people did 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.360 come at him. So it's like, even though I think 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.760 that he's guilty or whatever. I think we can all 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.760 be adults. We can all understand that, you know, this 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:23.400 jury judge fucking around Wisconsin, one black juror all that ship, 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:29.120 we can pretty much guess that he's going to get off, right, So, like, 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.440 why I didn't I don't even understand if there's any 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.320 like even like legal direction that you can go. But 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:40.080 I just don't understand, like why that wasn't uh focus 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.760 of the cases? Like why is the fucking seventeen year 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:45.880 old run walking around with the gun? Why is he 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:50.920 going into like a crowd of people with a gun? 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.640 What I think is interesting about this quote from UM 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.400 John Pierce as he says, no one can protect themselves, 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.400 no one can protect their family. And when I think 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.160 about the the phrase black lives matter in this context, UM, 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.240 and you know, particularly in in in the context of 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.040 some of the cases we'll look out later, UM that 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.120 you if you are no one to this country, then no, 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:16.040 you cannot protect yourself. If this country regards you as 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:19.560 it nobody, No you cannot connect to protect your family. 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:27.400 And that's effectively what oftentimes is the case for black people. UM. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:32.080 Think about, for example, in the case of Brianna Taylor, um, 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:36.720 whose you know, had his boyfriend had their house broken 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:40.760 into by unannounced intruders who happened to be playing close 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:44.920 police officers, and despite being a license gun owner who 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.760 just thought someone was breaking in and shot at them. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.760 Walker was charged with attempted murder of a police officer 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.480 because his life. I mean, like, you know, we say 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.800 Brianna Taylor's name, but his life didn't matter either. He 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:59.760 was no one. So no, he could not protect his 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.360 family me and no, he could not protect his home. Um, 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:08.840 because I feel like it's like what he's kind of 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.400 that aspect of what he's saying, it kind of rings true. 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.000 It's like, but not in the way he needs and 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.640 that it has different implications for like who actually has 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.800 allowed self defense in the country. Now, the thing about 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.880 the Written House case, do you do you think that 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.120 the Written House case is more of an issue of 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.600 race and less of an issue of politics. I think 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.360 it is more an issue of politics, um, because I mean, 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.719 some people are under the impression that Kyle Rittenhouse went 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.680 out and shot a bunch of black people and he 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.559 didn't know he did not. But if you are, if 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.120 you are in defensive black lives. If you are, you know, 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:47.920 UM antagonistic to white supremacy. UM, you are all of 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.559 the second class citizen, your life doesn't matter either. That's 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:54.360 why I think so many UM Republicans state legislatures have 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:59.840 tried to or successfully advanced legislation to pretty much legal 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:05.520 is UM vehicular homicide in the case of protesters blocking 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.800 the streets and acts of civil disobedience, Like if you 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.040 side with these folks that we have deemed disposable, you're 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:16.160 disposable too. Yeah, But I mean, I guess I guess 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.160 that's yeah, it's right, because I just I don't know, 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:24.520 is that is that like a political or is that 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.520 is that like a or amongst racialized because like something 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.680 something in me tells me that if Kyle Rittenhouse was 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:37.040 like a Candice Owens type Trump supporter, that the right 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.640 would still be galvanizing around them in in the sense 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.760 of like you killed our enemy, are perceived enemies, so 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.280 we love you, h And I think, yeah, I feel 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.160 like that. I feel like that's the you know, I 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.800 feel like the Kyle Rittenhouse case has more of a 0:14:53.800 --> 0:15:00.640 connection with the killing of what was his name, Michael Hino. Yeah, 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.440 in Portland's you know, it feels it feels like a 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:09.240 very politically motivated situation. You know, the judge, the judge, 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.920 the fence lawyers, they feel like it's it feels like 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.440 it's part of like a Maga movement thing. Yeah, you 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.920 know that makes sense that that's that's the that's the 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.360 aspect of it that's got me scared because it's like 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.680 you know, Kyle Rittenhouse getting or getting you know, if 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.160 if he's found not guilty, this is gonna just like 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:33.040 with the you know, running over protest things. This is 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:34.920 like the new template for how to deal with these 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:36.960 things now. I mean, I think what you're getting at 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.600 reminds me a lot of what Michelle Alexander said the 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.360 New Jim Crow about the collateral damage of the prison 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:49.680 industrial complex and mass incarceration. That effectively, if continued subjugation 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:54.160 of people of color requires sweeping some working class whites 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.840 up into the same web, then fine, that that collateral 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:02.040 damage is totally acceptable because US white supremacy is so 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.760 critical to uphold. And so I see a parallel here 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:07.720 and that I think, yes, what you're saying about it 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:13.280 being political left and right, etcetera um is salient. The 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.640 racial aspect isn't like irrelevant. I just yeah, it's just 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.680 like this. It's one of the end the criminal justice 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.440 system saying like if yeah, if you come in defensive 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:26.760 black lives, you are also disposable. If you're a black person, 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:31.280 you are disposable if you are fighting fascism like Michael 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:37.920 reinhold um, which adherently means standing up for like marginalized peoples, 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.840 even if you weren't necessarily in um I don't know, 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.960 like physically defending someone's life, but ideologically are aligned with 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.920 that struggle, you are disposable. We will shoot you dead 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:52.400 in the street without even holding a trial. And I trump, 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.800 then please kill as many people as you can, right, 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:00.760 which I think is the broader um will be the 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.320 broader impact of what happened happens in this trial is 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:08.680 like do like our you know, fascist hit right wing 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:14.600 people emboldened to defend their country by which they mean 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.960 by which they mean just gunned down leftist if they 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.399 all feel threatened by them, Oh, I don't. I don't 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:25.399 think that that's even up in question. The next whether 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.040 whether it's even it might even be like outside of 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.800 that courtroom, but the next time that there's like a 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.560 big protest and the next time that it has to 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.320 do with like some left right Black Lives Matter or 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.880 something like that, there's gonna be a lot of proud boys, 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:46.480 like they're with guns ready to instigate some ship. Yep, yeah, 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:50.800 so we shall see. But um, getting back to some 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.080 of the details of the trial, claims, the self defense 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.200 abound on both sides. In a sense, both written House 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.560 and Gross Grows, the lone survivor of the shootings are 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.840 claiming to have defended themselves on trial. When he was 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.240 up on the stand, written House that he reacted to 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:08.160 seeing Grosscots Gross creates handgun though he had already shot 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.920 and killed two people. Gross Crews explained at the court 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.800 and he had pulled out the handcome handgun because he 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.480 thought that Rittenhouse was an active shooter. So on both 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.040 sides are talking about defending themselves or defending other people. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.280 Rittenhouse claims that the shooting happened because he was cornered 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:29.359 by the first the first shoot shooting, the first shooting, Yeah, okay. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.600 Rittenhouse claims the first shooting happened because he was cornered 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.160 by several protesters, one of whom had a gun. One 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.480 of his victims after new Hubert pursued him after after 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.280 the first shooting and struck Written House in the head 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:46.119 and neck with the skateboard before being shot. During his 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.840 tearful testimony, Written House claimed one of the victims could 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.520 have run away instead of trying to take his gun. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.560 By that logic, if he had felt his life was 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.399 endangered by the unarmed people he'd gotted down, couldn't he 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.720 have just flip? Yeah? And so like it does get 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.960 sort of nebulous where it's like he felt threatened because 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.160 he was cornered by self a protesters, one of whom 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.679 did have a gun. Um, the person he shot was unarmed, 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.119 but he felt, you know, he felt scared because he 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:18.639 was being closed on on all sides. And then you know, 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.320 you've got Anthony Huber who was killed, who could arguably, 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.760 you know, Written House had a gun. So he's acted 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:26.480 in self defense by hitting him in the head and 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.119 neck of the skateboard. But a Rittenhouse, you know, is 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.160 claiming that he shot him because he was hitting him 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.280 in the head for the skateboard. Um, and Georgie just 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.640 goes back and forth and trying to determine who legally 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:44.480 is allowed to defend themselves. The thing that I just 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.400 I need to just like completely focus on this case 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:52.560 because I keep my mind keeps wondering to what is 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.800 going to happen next time, which then in my head, 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.960 is making this one not seem as bad as it 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.640 could have been, because I do think that the next guy, 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.119 if like if the next the next Kyle Rittenhouse wanna be, 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.200 is like struck with the skateboard, They're just gonna start 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.200 emptying off shells into the crowd, you know what I'm saying. 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:13.159 So it's like I guess like there's a part of 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.639 me that's like, well, he didn't do that. You know 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.040 what I'm saying is like the little expectations. And yeah, 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:22.919 the verdict is expected this week, perhaps even before the 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:26.479 show airs, and as we you know, made clear up 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:30.720 to this point where I'm britty sure he's gonna get off. 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.600 I mean, if they're they're taking away that gun charge, 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.760 you know, then yeah, I don't see him facing any 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.560 consequences for this unfortunately, So we shall see. Maybe this 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.320 will air the same day that the verdict is announced, 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:49.840 and that will put a very interesting shading on this 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:54.120 whole episode that you were listening to. Um, Yeah, yeah, 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:55.720 let's move on to look at a little this, a 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.679 little bit of this. Um, we got Travis, Michael and 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.760 Greg with Michael, so they armed themselves and sped after 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.280 a mod areby who was out jogging because they thought 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.520 he was a burglar. I wonder why. And they said 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:10.520 they wanted to catch him and hold him, you know, 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:15.440 perform citizens to rest until the police arrived. UM. When 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:21.760 Aubrey turned and fought during the chase, UM, Travis mc 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:26.760 michael says that he shot him in self defense, so 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:30.199 they chased him down, and when he defended himself by 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:33.639 allegedly attempting to grab the gun away from Travis with Michael, 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:39.399 Travis shot him. But now Travis is they're saying that 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.639 they were defending themselves against the man they were Jason 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:46.440 that was unarmed. I mean, it's it's like literally the 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:51.159 Trayvon Martin situation. Likely James is somebody down and when 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:54.760 they ch somebody, you start a fight, you getting you're 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.520 getting cooked in the fight, so you you have a gun, 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.000 so then you shoot them. I feel like you're what 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:04.359 you said earlier is true, that this is who is 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.680 the aggressor in the situation is far more clear cut 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.000 that we will see ultimately what the jerry has to say. 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.080 And and that's all. That's all I meant is just 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:15.360 like if if the jury, like we I mean, they've 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:19.760 already caught the original d A and Fuckory with this case, 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:21.560 you know what I mean. So it's like all I 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:23.879 mean is if the jury should come back with a 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:29.919 bullshit verdict about this, I think from almost you know, 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:33.800 I mean, I think like a general consensus will be like, 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.960 all right, that was Fuckory. We identified that as fackory. 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:39.359 You know what I'm saying. Yeah, Whereas with the Kyle 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.120 Rittenhouse case, you know, like I said, I think there's 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:45.320 there's definitely people who are not in the tank for 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:48.200 Mega or Kyle Rittenhouse who look at the situation was 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:50.200 like I mean, you know, somebody did like try to 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:52.800 hit him, or somebody did corner or whatever. I mean, 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:56.320 there's people. It's just it's a lot easier for people 0:22:56.359 --> 0:23:00.840 to rationalize the Kyle Rittenhouse sit you nation. I guess 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:05.240 then the amount of Aubrey case, which really seems you 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.520 know again, it like really seems like you know, some 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:09.520 nine team. Like when I first heard this story was like, 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:14.840 oh man, this is some nineteen fifties, you know, like 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:17.919 civil civil rights eraror story that you hear about some 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.680 fucking southern yahoo's chasing down a black kiddens. Well yeah, 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:25.359 so okay, So get this decided the citizens the rest law, 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:28.560 which itself was approved in eighteen sixty three to round 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.119 up escaped slaves and was later used to justify the 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:35.720 lynching of black people. So putalizing that as a defense 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:39.159 for why they pursued an attacked armory, are pursued an 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:42.480 attacked aubrey, even if they had it killed him, it 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.080 was fucked up. They were using it for exactly what 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:50.280 it was meant for rounding up black people. Um, this 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:51.919 is the state law that was on the books at 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:55.880 the time. A private person may arrest an offender if 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.879 the offense is committed in his presence or within his 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:02.240 immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony, and the 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:06.000 offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:09.880 may arrest them upon reasonable and probable grounds with suspicions. 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.400 Why do you even determine that? So, I mean, let's 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:17.159