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Speaker 1: my Savannah hometown song. So in preparation, I have been

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of interviews. Um. I did podcast called

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Speaker 1: Last time that we talked about the Kyle Rittenhouse trial

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Speaker 1: Written House, um, who, at seventeen years old on August

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Speaker 1: What I think is interesting about this quote from UM

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Speaker 1: John Pierce as he says, no one can protect themselves,

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Speaker 1: And that's effectively what oftentimes is the case for black people. UM.

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Speaker 1: trying to engage in fucking fisticuffs, Like because I mean,

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Speaker 1: what if what if Ahmad had gotten the gun away

427
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: from them? And that's their argument they're starting to make like, oh, well,

428
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: we defended ourselves because if he had gotten the gun

429
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: from us, he would have killed me. Well, I mean

430
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: that's what But I mean, I guess that's that's the

431
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: point that I'm making, Like what if he had gotten

432
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: the gun off of them? And I think I wouldn't

433
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: that be self defense? I think for whom, for a

434
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: Mount Aubrey, wouldn't that have been self defense? Arguably? I

435
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: mean in the Written House trial as well, he on

436
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: the stand, I believe claimed that he shot because he

437
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: was scared that he was going to have his gun

438
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: taken away. But I was like, well, at least, but

439
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: at least with Written House, like we you know, at

440
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: least in his defense we actually can see like a

441
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: tape of videotape of him on the ground, not shooting anybody,

442
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: being kicked and hit and then he shoots somebody. So

443
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, whatever the problems are that

444
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: at least that you can see you. I mean, in

445
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: this case, with the amount of Aubrey, it's like you're

446
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: watching the ship like he's the protagonist of the story.

447
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: So it's like you want him to not die. And

448
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: the only way that that can happen is if he

449
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: defends himself and gets the gun off of those guys

450
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: and kills that. Yeah, I guess I don't know, man,

451
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: but anyway, so don't stop people. Just don't stop people.

452
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: It does, yeah, drive as a. Michael as father, Gregory McMichael,

453
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: and their pal William Murati Brian Jr. Are charged with

454
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: malice and tell any murder um for the killing of

455
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: Arevery in Brunswick, Georgia, February of last year. They also

456
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: face charges for aggravated assault, false imprisonment and a criminal

457
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: attempt to commit a felony, and they have all pleaded

458
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: not guilty, though if convicted, each man because base life

459
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: in prison without the possibility of parole. Now ultimately the jury,

460
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: the jury will have to consider the moments before the

461
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: shotgun blasts rang out and decide which man was the

462
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: aggressor and therefore not legitimately acting in self defense. Yeah,

463
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: given the eleven of the twelve jurors, and what is art,

464
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'll give it, give him this. It's majority

465
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: white Glenn County, but it's black representative black man. So

466
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: while it makes a lot, it's well, it does seem

467
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: a lot more clear cut to us. How don't eleven

468
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: of the twelve jurors or white in South Georgia. His

469
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: defense lawyer is wild And I don't know if y'all

470
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: have heard about this, but okay, so Ahmad Aubrey's family

471
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: met with Al Sharpton right and the defense attorney was

472
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: making a big deal about that because he was like, yeah, man,

473
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: I'll Sharpton is intimidating and blah blah blah the jury

474
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Then Jesse Jackson came to visit, and

475
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: like the defense attorney was straight up like, I think

476
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: we've had enough black pastors ball nail situation here. Oh

477
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: my god, oh my pastors. Yeah, so that's why we're

478
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: dealing ones right now. Yeah, I mean it's like, you know,

479
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: at least, like I said, it would be one thing.

480
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: That's just the defense attorneys so the defense attorneys need

481
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: to defend their clients ship like that, but you're gonna

482
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: do whatever. Yeah, and let's not forget that the McMichael's

483
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: and Brian were not even charged at first. In fact,

484
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: in August, a grand jury indicted former Glen County District

485
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: Attorney Jackie Johnson, accusing your showing favor and affection to

486
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: one of the men now charged with Avery's killing and

487
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: for directing police opport officers not to arrest another suspect.

488
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: So pretty much like burying the tape that we have

489
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: all now seen and saying like, oh no, the food

490
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: to go. It's cool And I hate that I forget this,

491
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: But did this not did this only come to light

492
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: because I know what happened before, right, So, so Harbury

493
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: was killed in February, and I think in March, right

494
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: around when Brianna Taylor's killing kind of blew up. Also

495
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: belieatedly is when the tape of yeah a mom getting

496
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: shot came out and people started losing their ship. So yeah,

497
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: like they were, they were. I mean, there's a there's

498
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: a good chance that if George Floyd hadn't died, then

499
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: we never would even this trial might not even be happening. Yeah,

500
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: like that never even would have been a thing. Yeah

501
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: speaking much so like um, you know, but going back

502
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: to Brianna Taylor Walker was her boyfriend was charged immediately

503
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: with attempted murder a police officer, and the chargers were

504
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: only dropped after months of advocacy and national media attention,

505
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: much like how I mean Michaels were only arrested and

506
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: brought to trial because of huge public pressure. And so

507
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: if we have to mount historic collective action just to

508
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: get the justice system to do what it is supposed

509
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: to do, what in the literal fuck is it for?

510
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: Just think on that this wonder. We'll give you time consider. Okay,

511
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: consider the killing of DeMarcus Carter in summerlad, Nevada in

512
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: the spring of two thousand twelve. A resident of the

513
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: majority white neighborhood suspective Carter of trying to break in

514
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: and shot and killed Carter, who was unarmed. The killer

515
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: claimed self defense, and his claim was never evaluated by

516
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: a jury. Becuts. Police and prosecutors saw the claim of

517
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: self defense as strong enough not to even warrant a charge.

518
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: Killer told police that he saw Carter outside his back door.

519
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: Believe Carter was breaking into his home, shot him dead,

520
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: and unlike the death I prayed on martin Florida only

521
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: a month earlier, Carter's death received very little media cups coverage,

522
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: and none of the coverage raised any questions about the

523
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: validity of the killer's self defense claim. And so I

524
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: bring this up because I feel like this happens a

525
00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: lot more often than we realize. But like, just for sure,

526
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: I mean, most of the names that we say today

527
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: we're taken in the name of self defense, albeit by

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00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: police officers. So Michael Brown, Eric Gardner, Davis, Jordan Davis,

529
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: to mere Rice Walter Scott, Blando Castillo, On Sterling Baltham,

530
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: Jean Stephan Clark, Lukawa McDonald, the list goes on and on. Now, um,

531
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: there was a case recently where a man I do

532
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: believe that this one was in Florida, but a guy

533
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: got convicted of murder because he some teams broke into

534
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: his house and he killed them. Investigators were able to

535
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: go back and pretty much essentially see that he created

536
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: what they described as like a deer trap. Pretty much,

537
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: what the fuck for these kids to walk into state

538
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: and everything. They've got recordings of him like talking to

539
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: them like as they died, which is pretty much what

540
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: stealed his fade is how they know that it was premeditated,

541
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: but he was actually he tried to he tried to

542
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: give self defense than your ground thing. But they were

543
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: just able to see with his elaborate home alone style

544
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: like Trapp, that it was premeditated. That's so insane. I

545
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: heard her. I had heard about that story. I didn't

546
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: realize that. God damn, it got even got even darker. Yeah,

547
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Well, getting into a bit of thinking about like, yeah,

548
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: prettily like with all made every case. Um. I read

549
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: this article recently by Eddie Rolnick and the Cardozo Law Review,

550
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: which snaps the relationships between residential segregation, violence, and criminal law.

551
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: So like, effectively, in a sense, the McMichael's were enforcing

552
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: what they believed to be. I mean, they were enforcing

553
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: residential segregation. It's no longer a matter of redlining or

554
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, discriminatory home loans or restrictive covenant saying who

555
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: can't live in certain houses? And all of that got

556
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: wiped out, supposedly. So now, like there's a lot of

557
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: cases like with DeMarcus what's his name, sorry, DeMarcus Carter

558
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: like with a more degree where you have people you

559
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: know invoking self defense to violently and you know in

560
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: the force who is and who is not allowed to

561
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: be in certain areas and roll Nick says, while the

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00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: laws governing stranger self defense are facially raised, neutral self

563
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: defense is assessed only according to whether defendant's fear is

564
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: reasonable to the reviewing prosecutor, judge, and jury. Research on

565
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: unconscious bias and cultural myths about criminality demonstrate that fear

566
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: is racially contingent. One factor that can support both objective

567
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: and objective assessments a threat is whether a person looks

568
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: out of place, making a black person in a white

569
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: neighborhood even more likely to be the object of fear.

570
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: The last creative framework really legitimizes white fear of strangers

571
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: who look racially out of place and condones violence based

572
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: on that fear. The framework, in turn helps normalize neighbor

573
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: on neighbor surveillance, police state. Even if a person is

574
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: not actually threatened or afraid, she's going to invoke the

575
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: framework of fear based racial out of placeness and can

576
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: expect the police or the jury will be sympathetic and

577
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: so I feel like this relates to the case of

578
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: that bird watcher in Central Park or whatever, or the lady,

579
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: the white lady calls the cops on him, because like,

580
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: what are blackbird watchers I think of in my own neighborhood. Um,

581
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: this gentleman who I ran into the gas station, who tearfully,

582
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, described having lived on the street down the

583
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: street from my old house. Um, who was out walking

584
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: with his walking stick, and someone called the cops on

585
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: him because they thought he had a weapon, and he

586
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: got surrounded by cop cars in the neighborhood where he

587
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: had always own up or he'd always lived. Um. But

588
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: that is gentrifying. And so you know, white people coming

589
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: in and making claims to these spaces and using you know,

590
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: racial out of placeness um to invoke either state violence

591
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: or in themselves using violence in order to enforce um,

592
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: the new segregation. But yeah, it's all comes back to

593
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: some fundamental questions. Can Black Americans exercise their secondmentment right

594
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: to bear arms? Can we stand our ground? Can we

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00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: claim self defense in shooting someone who threatens us with

596
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: physical harm? Does the Castle doctrine which grants a person

597
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: they're right to use deadly force to protect their home

598
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: from an intruder applied to us, I mean, obviously the

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00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: answer is now at least not fully or at least

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00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: whatever I mean, whatever it is, it's not a definitive

601
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: yes to any of those questions. I think that if

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00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: you look at the criminal justice system as a cascade

603
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: of like decision points. UM. I think that at various

604
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: ones along that in that in that waterfall that it's

605
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, that terminates in imprisonment. There the answer is no.

606
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: So whether or not uh prosecutor decides to pull it,

607
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, um press charges. In the case of DeMarcus Carter,

608
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: they didn't even choose the press charges against the man

609
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: who killed him. Um. But you bet your ask. A

610
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: lot of fucking black people are getting prosecuted for crimes

611
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: that others aren't even or just walking away with murder. Um.

612
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: Then there's getting to trial. And then you what if

613
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: you have and all like at eleven out of two,

614
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: all of your re jurors are white. Um, if you

615
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: don't have great representation because you can't afford it, and

616
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: at that point, you know, they just someone can easily

617
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: decide and more often than not decide that no. You

618
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: weren't allowed, um not to mention just so your initial

619
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: interaction with the cops. The cops like you know, in

620
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: the case of a mod are very who showed up

621
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: to the scene and the guy, you know, I'm one

622
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: of the Michael's, the former police officer. They probably also

623
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: thought it was sketchy that there was a black guy

624
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: jogging in a white neighborhood and we're like, well, free

625
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: to go. So at all these various points, the answer

626
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: is generally no. And if it's not no at the

627
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, if it's not no at the end, it's

628
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: still no in the middle, or no at the beginning,

629
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: or no at some point. No. What do you think

630
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: about the like the common denominator in all of these situations,

631
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: which is guns and people owning them and perhaps being

632
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: a bit too overzealous with the I have complicated feelings

633
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: about guns, and we've talked about this on the show before,

634
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: where gun control laws are historically racist as well, again

635
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: determining you know, who can and cannot bear arms not

636
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: being applied uniformly across the races, So any attempts to

637
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: bar certain bar people from owning guns. Ultimately, I don't

638
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 1: know disproportionately impacting honestly folks that need them. UM, because

639
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: I think guns will always exist around. UM. I'll get

640
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: I'll you know, go ahead and get to the story. Um.

641
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: The other day, I was out in like the hood

642
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: near my house, and me and a couple other dudes

643
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: were like out, uh, discreeting kids as I got on

644
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: the school bus because there's been a lot of fighting

645
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: on the school bus um lately, So we're just like

646
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: talking to them, hyping them up for their day that

647
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: at a uh. And so I was I'm walking around

648
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: this like, how's he got to having his dude, he

649
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: told me a story of his brother, who had served

650
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: lengthy jail sentence for drug dealing, had been out in

651
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: the streets getting fights with people. He was a big kingpin.

652
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: People knew him. He had a lot of enemies. Got

653
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: out of jail. He's a felon, so he couldn't have um,

654
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: couldn't you know own a couldn't own a gun anymore,

655
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: shot and killed by rivals on the day that he

656
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: left jail. So the people who live in I mean, like, okay,

657
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, oh, well, you take all

658
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: the guns off the street and the people are shooting

659
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: each other. Well, there's be a legal market for anything always,

660
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: and so saying certain kinds of people can have guns,

661
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: like felons who do live in in dangerous and violent

662
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: areas or have dangerous and violence connections, they can't defend

663
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: themselves if they can't get guns. Well, I mean, I

664
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: don't want to make the conversation straight too far into

665
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: guns and stuff like that, because yeah, we all circle

666
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: back around to that, but I will. I just feel like, man,

667
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: you know, every time the gun stuff comes up, it's

668
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: like I just feel like if if the government whoever

669
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: is in power, like really felt to themselves like tomorrow,

670
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: all right, this gun stuff is out of control, then

671
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: I just feel like it would be really hard to

672
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: get ahold of a gup, like if they wanted you to.

673
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: You know, I don't understand how people see all these

674
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: fucking wild as conspiracies for like everything, but then the

675
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: fact that it's just like there there aren't any there's

676
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: barely any gun laws and there's like just guns are

677
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: just flowing through the country like skittles like every like

678
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: everyone like looks at that like there's there's no conspiracy

679
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: there that that's definitely not they want us all to

680
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: kill each other. Like, that's not That's not what's happening,

681
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? There could be an element

682
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: of that. I don't know. I really thought about it

683
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: from that through that lens very much, but I started

684
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: to digress. We digressed real hard. But let's get into

685
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: let's turn down and talk a little bit about a

686
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: couple of famous stories from hip hop. Is this gonna

687
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: be technically the music discussion? No, we got a couple

688
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: of songs for y'all at the end. But um, first,

689
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: that's the story of Shine. It was a Beliezing born

690
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: rapper on did He's label the ninety nineties. You remember him, Yeah,

691
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: So last year he opened up on The Fat Joe

692
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: Show about his club shooting. Um did He and Shine

693
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: We're at a nightclub in Manhattan and they spotted some

694
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: mother rappers with whom the hell any baby? Uh. The

695
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: interaction was fine at first, but then it turned into

696
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: an argument, and Shine thought he saw one of the

697
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: other main men reached for a gun, so he reached

698
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: for his and began firing to arguably to defend himself

699
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: and his friends. Shine told that Joey feared for his

700
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: life and to this day maintains that he did what

701
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: he had to do to protect his people. Did He

702
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: and Shine were tried in separate trials. I guess, like,

703
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. Did. He can't remember if he was

704
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: like assaulted the guy hands got thrown or yelling and

705
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: Nelsen say did. He had the best lawyers and was

706
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: ultimately acquitted of all charges. Sean, on the other hand,

707
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: I found guilty on two counts of assault, reckless endangement

708
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: in gun possession and was sad. It's ten years in prison.

709
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: It was later actually, when he got out, deported to

710
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: his home country of the Belize, and in a random

711
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: turn of events that is weirdly relevant to the show,

712
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: Sean was elected to the Belize and House of Representatives

713
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: in general elections. Ending to the story. I'm trying to

714
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: look it up now, but you know, I think Sean

715
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: might have hit somebody in the club. Did he I

716
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: think I think he hit a girl. I don't know

717
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: that for for certain, but I just know that he

718
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: got ten years for a reason. Oh like, oh he shot. No,

719
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he can. I mean not like you.

720
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: Nobody got here. I don't think anybody got hurt. No,

721
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: we just shot and people started running. And so because

722
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: if it would have been like homicide or some it

723
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: if he killed somebody, for sure, I don't think anybody died.

724
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't think I died. I swore that somebody get hit.

725
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 1: Like maybe maybe I don't. I don't remember exactly, but um, yeah,

726
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: to this day, he says he, you know, had to

727
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: do what he had to do, even though he was

728
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: convicted and served ten years in prison. Yeah, I mean,

729
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: what do you think about it? Like, well, I think

730
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: that I think that if I'm never in favor of

731
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: people busting off in the crowds, I'm just not just fact,

732
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: that's fact. If you're if you're in a crowd of people,

733
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: maybe don't start shooting. It's always been a frown on

734
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: that man. I just I don't like. I hate. I

735
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: hate that whole notion of people thinking that their ship

736
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: is more what they got going on is more important

737
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: than everybody else's ship. And then when it leads to

738
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: people getting like shot or hit by your drunk driving,

739
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean, Like, I just don't

740
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: like that sort of ship. So yeah, I think yeah, yeah,

741
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: I mean, especially the reckless endangerment large like even if

742
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: he was defending himself. Those people who were in the

743
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 1: club that started running for their lives didn't do ship exactly.

744
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: They had not to do with what your beef was.

745
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: And if if if I'm if, I'm you know I

746
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: could If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. But if I'm not wrong,

747
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: and somebody did get shot, even if it was in

748
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: the baby toe, that baby toe would have been there

749
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: had you asked not started popping off. So you know

750
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: what I mean? Um, And we can't forget the biggest

751
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: crime that came out of that, which that you made.

752
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: Fucking j Low realized she was hanging around street niggas

753
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: and her and didd he broke up. All right, that's

754
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: the true crime here, man. She was like, no, this

755
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: love cost the thing. I'm out most. Anyway, let's talk

756
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: about t X T I next rubber band man. All right?

757
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: So t I, who influously got arrested by the A

758
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: T F agents the two thousand seven BT Hip Hop Awards.

759
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: Tip was caught trying to buy machine guns, silencers and

760
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: other arms that he was can that he um in

761
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: other arms. As he was a convicted felon, he couldn't

762
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: legally acquire them. The rapper argued that the guns were

763
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: for protection in the light of the murder of his

764
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: best friend, Philette Johnson, who in two thousand six was

765
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: gunned down in a van. He and t I were

766
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: writing it after performance in Cincinnati. So I mean, there's

767
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: like despite, Okay, so he's a felon, he can't have guns,

768
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: but he has like a legit reason to be in

769
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: front of his life if his best friend just got

770
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: fucking murdered in front of him a year before. But no,

771
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: you can't defend yourself because you got you. You're a fellon,

772
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: so you can't have gone. So we're gonna pick you

773
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: up with the bat aboards kind of whack. I don't know,

774
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: it's whack. It's I I just wish that the stories

775
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: are just more clear cut. Why was TI buying silencers?

776
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: He was scared silencers though, Like silencers aren't I'm scared

777
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: for my life, silencers. I'm coming to get you. That's

778
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: again maybe getting hung up on that one detail, and yeah,

779
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, like stop bad back. I don't want to

780
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: get hung up on that one detail. But this story

781
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: just hits me different. If I'm reading t I was

782
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: afraid for his life because his friend got killed and

783
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: the cops went and picked him up while he was

784
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: trying to buy the machine guns. Then I'm like, have

785
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: you ever bought something? Have you ever bought something unnecessary

786
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: because it made you feel better? Yeah? Yeah I have.

787
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying he was like, yeah, I'm gonna

788
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop them like you know, like real quiet.

789
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna. No, It's just like I'm asking what I

790
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: would agree it's in the scene, obscene amount of weaponry,

791
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: out of out of fear, just like I want all

792
00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: the ship, Give me all the ship, give me all

793
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: the machine guns, give me all silencers. I'll get me

794
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: all the ship because I'm terrified. Now is there do

795
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: Is there nothing that is Is there no aspect of

796
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: their shame or perhaps how we feel about the as

797
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: celebrities that might be influencing some of our views on that. Oh,

798
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: absolutely buy us out, because I just mean, if Larry

799
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: the Cable Guy before Larry the Cable Guy, keep bringing

800
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: him out in these analogies, but I feel like if

801
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: Larry the Cable Guy got pulled over at the Country

802
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: Music Award with a pickup truck filled with fucking infrared

803
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: beams and silencers and scopes of machine guns. The police

804
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: would tap him up and fucking let him go, is

805
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But and that's fucked up on the police.

806
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: But I want to know about that because I'm like, damn,

807
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: you know what. I don't like the idea of this

808
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: rich fucking dude buying all these guns to circulate back

809
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: in whatever fucking poor communities from because I just I

810
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: don't know. But I mean, again, that's what that's my bias,

811
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: and they're just trying to give full disposure. That could

812
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: be my bias of like not believing that you know,

813
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: people need thirty seven guns to defend himself. Ye and

814
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: maybe just like four, maybe just like full of speaking

815
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: of defending yourself once again, we talked a little bit

816
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: about Trayvon earlier. But there's another, um someone infamous case

817
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: of someone invoking the Florida standil ground law UM when

818
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: in two thousand fourteen, Jordan Davis got into a confrontation

819
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: with a white man at a gas station in Florida

820
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: who said davis rap music was too loud and ultimately

821
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: fired shots into Davis's car, killing him. The man claimed

822
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: he thought David had a gun, but the killer was

823
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: eventually convicted of murder and it was kind of beautiful.

824
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: It's forgiven in court by Davis's mother, who went on

825
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: to become a gun control epic it and then successfully

826
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: run for Congress. And Georgia's some district I forgot seven nope, eight, nope,

827
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't remember. He's in Congress now doing some ship.

828
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: She's getting that Boomberg money and ship. Go get your boom.

829
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: But but like gun control, oh yeah, she was like

830
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: all with you know, what's their names? Um? You know, yeah,

831
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: you know those you know it's mostly wide ladies. What's

832
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: what are they called? Oh? The I know you're talking

833
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: about like moms against moms. The mom's demand action, like

834
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: she's with them. Yeah, And so I think it's important though,

835
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know if I want to say.

836
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: I think the advocacy is important. But it's just like,

837
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, even in that situation, you've got the racial situation,

838
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: you've got, but at the end of the day, a

839
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: fucking idiot who had a gun, yeah, was the was

840
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: the thing. And it's just like you can you can

841
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: you can change the scenario, you can change the racism

842
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: genders of everybody, like you can do everything, it all

843
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: comes down to somebody having a gun that shouldn't have

844
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: a gun, and that being the issue, Like that's a

845
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: fucking that's a that's a like an old white dude

846
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: getting cussed out at the gas station. Who should have guns?

847
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know you like, you know, obviously

848
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: I don't have the fun that's like an answer is

849
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: to who should be allowed to have the guns or

850
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But obviously, you know, in a country

851
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: that's as big as this one, um, in a country

852
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: that's as obsessed with like celebrity and notoriety and fame

853
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: as the one that we live into, you know, I'm

854
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: not saying who should have it or you shouldn't, but

855
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: it's just like obviously this ship is meeting tragic resolves

856
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: at this point, you know what I mean. And it's

857
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: just like it's just too many people dying needlessly from

858
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: this show. I mean it, obviously there's there's there's way

859
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: broader discussions to be had, There's way more specific and

860
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: nuanced discussions to be had about it. But again, you know,

861
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: it's like just just this case, we we could we

862
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: could talk about that that situation with Jordan Davis, and

863
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: we could get into like a real deep, interesting, meaningful

864
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: racial conversation, right and and we can we can get

865
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: into all these conversations out of this. But the one

866
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: conversation that like is irrefutable is a dude, somebody had

867
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: a gun that like obviously wasn't responsible for it, because like,

868
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: if you own a gun and you're capable of like

869
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: getting into an argument with somebody, an argument and then

870
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: that makes you shoot them, then you shouldn't have had it.

871
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: How about that? It's like, those are the people that

872
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't have a gun. Oh no, man, it's a nuance session.

873
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: We'll do a whole episode on this sometime, but for now,

874
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you god, Let's get into the music discussion, couples.

875
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: Let's take a little break before we do that. Okay,

876
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: we'll go. Let's do it. We'll be back right after

877
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: the job with the musical discussion. All right, we are

878
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: back before I really cut off my bed. I'm sorry. Well,

879
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into the music discussion. H First off,

880
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 1: talking about self defense from Dilated People's off the album

881
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: expansion team. Let's play a little bit of sciral quick

882
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: what could we don't know? We showed the kid and

883
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: the fish beat the treat might find interesting about particularly

884
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: the first verse, as he seems Rocket seems to be

885
00:53:54,600 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: like describing like an altercation, a physical altercation. I'm like, oh,

886
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: what could it provoked? You don't make me feed the fish,

887
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: feed the trees, feed the vulture, talking about you know,

888
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: responding with violence. But then he gets into a block,

889
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: flows with strikes and strikes with blows, a slice flows

890
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: with my mike. It shows a counterattack and turn the

891
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: tables in an instant, move out of range and step

892
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: close and step into the wait, move out of range

893
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: and step into the distance, something like that. So it's

894
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: actually more oft into seeming like he's using his verbal

895
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 1: prowess to in essence this de escalated conflict to removing

896
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: it from physical altercation intil a verbal artistic even one

897
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: which I think was what a part of what um

898
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: like freestyle was initially meant to do. Of Like you

899
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: got beef with somebody, um, bring it, bring it to

900
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: the cipher, Like all right, let's battle talk shit, don't

901
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: shoot each other. Just come up here and just like

902
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, smack about their mama or whatever. Well, I mean,

903
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, did you forget the guns? But just like

904
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: you know in our in America that there's a lot

905
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: of people who are who walk around like that just

906
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: accept that, like using violence is like an actual like

907
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 1: way to solve problems, you know what I mean. And

908
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: I think something like with with just the whole theme

909
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: of the song is kind of like how unnecessary that is,

910
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I think that's what

911
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: he's kind of what that That's what that section means

912
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: to me, where it's like there's more, there's there's better

913
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: ways to settle differences into to prove yourself or just

914
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: like there's there's better ways to make yourself get the

915
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: one up on somebody, and it's not necessarily like yeah,

916
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat the shift out of a Bible or

917
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sucking shoot him or get into a fight

918
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: or something like that. Like you know, we're like thinking

919
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: breathe and human beings that could do more than just

920
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: like the fucking base level ship. I'm gonna go on

921
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: somewhat of a tangent, but it matters. So I've been

922
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: studying lately and I may have brought this up on

923
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: the show sort of the way that gun violence has

924
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,720
Speaker 1: been come to has come to be seen by public

925
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 1: health experts as a as an epidemic and not just

926
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: like oh, in the sense of gun violence adversely impacts

927
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: people's health because they're getting fucking shot, but actually starting

928
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: to think about violence as a virus. So when you're

929
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: exposed to violence, you then contracted, and then you spread

930
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: it to other people by letting your trauma manifest in

931
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: more violence against others. And so taking that framing and

932
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 1: you know, the way that the we publicly have come

933
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: to understand viruses throughout the pandemic, think about, all right,

934
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: how do you how do you stop the spread of

935
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: this virus um you like you interrupt in escal conflicts

936
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: and also change norms around conflict resolution, So getting out

937
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: in the community and maybe getting us back to a

938
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: place where we are using verbal jousting to sort of

939
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: inject levity into our conflicts by like, all right, let's

940
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: have a rap battle, bringing us back to that rather

941
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: than the place we are now where gun violence is

942
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: almost fetishized. Yeah, and like it's it's gonna be so hard,

943
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean, especially from like a hip hop standpoint, to

944
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: get back to that because like I remember when you

945
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: could listen to you could listen like a gangster rapper

946
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: who talking about drive bys and blah blah blah. But

947
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: even even then, like you would hear like lines about

948
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: how like yo, we can put the guns down and

949
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: I'll beat your ass, you know what I mean. And

950
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: it's like now, I mean there's like two references in

951
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: particular from like notable big rappers in songs where they're like, yeah,

952
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: fun that fight and should we're just gonna kill you?

953
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, like that like that's

954
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: the flex and it's you know, it's it's shipped like

955
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: that the mega motherfucker feel like damn am I like

956
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 1: sixty seven because that feels like super new new, Like

957
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: what that's what That's what we're talking about. Like motherfucker's

958
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: like literally rappid about how they're scared to fight and

959
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: they would rather just shoot you. Yeah. Another another norm

960
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: shifting experiment that I read about recently, And if you

961
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: give me a second, I'm gonna try to actually bring

962
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: up the details. Oh this this thing called guns Down

963
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: squabble up in Los Angeles where when people and there's

964
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: like oh, yo, I heard Zone was gonna like come

965
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: over and spread your spot. They go get the people

966
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: and bring them to a place to box and have

967
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: like a public boxing match between folks that are beef

968
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: in as a way to settle disputes without resorting to

969
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: picking up guns. Because it's like you like, it's really

970
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to kill a nigga, but I

971
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: just like punch them in the head a lot. I mean,

972
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: you can do it. But particularly if like a bunch

973
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 1: of people are standing around watching you all like fight,

974
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, you can like just determine, oh, ship, like

975
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: this person won and walk away from it was nobody killed. Yeah,

976
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: I mean if if like fights had any if fights

977
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: had any sort of like you know, alarming rate of

978
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: like people dying in like fist fights and scraps and altercations,

979
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: then like, yeah, half the population would be dead right now.

980
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: So it's like, from at least that standpoint, if two

981
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: people get upset about each other for whatever reason, for

982
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: whatever reason, even if even if it's like oh man,

983
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: I hit you, I'm gonna grab this bat and come

984
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: at you, it's just factually a less efficient way to

985
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: kill someone. So the chances are that somebody's not going

986
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: to die. Some you might get hurt, somebody might get

987
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: seriously injured and wounded, like you know, so it's like

988
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: just it's not like an issue for like the conservative

989
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: straw man's of like, oh, what about a knife and

990
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: you can kill Like yeah, you can kill somebody with anything,

991
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: but it's like, what makes it easier for you to

992
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: kill someone? Like yeah, And I know we're it feels

993
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: like we're getting a little bit away from the topic

994
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: of self defense of the episode. I think it still

995
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: matters because if somebody, somebody kills your family member and

996
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: you wonder if you're next, and you decide to go

997
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: get them first in retaliation, it is in essence a

998
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: kind of self defense and that you fear for your

999
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: life because of you know, like surviving shooting attempt or

1000
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: losing someone, and so figuring out how we resolve these

1001
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: resolve these squabbles without resorting to gun violence is still

1002
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: also addressing the question of how do we defend ourselves?

1003
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: But with the self defense, I mean even even the

1004
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: no ship of self defense in America as we understand it,

1005
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: it's something that's a derivative of our fear of guns,

1006
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like the dude who set

1007
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: up the deer trap thing that I was talking about, Yeah,

1008
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: that was premeditated murder, but like it was premeditated murdered

1009
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: that he was like it was a plot that he

1010
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: cooked up because he figured, Man, if somebody breaks into

1011
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: your house, then I can acceptably say I feared for

1012
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: my life because they might have had a gun and

1013
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: being able to harm you. Right, yeah, you know what

1014
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like like if like that's what it's all comes.

1015
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: If two people are getting a fight, like like a

1016
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: zimmer Zimmerman in in uh Trayvon Martin getting into a fight,

1017
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: Zimmerman being like, I feared for my life. Like he

1018
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: can say that, and on one hand, it's like, okay,

1019
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: well he's fighting this guy, so he thought that the

1020
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: guy was going to get the upper hand. But then

1021
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: the other thing that goes into the mind of a

1022
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: jury that could have quit somebody like that is like, oh, well,

1023
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: I mean it's America and there's three million guns out there,

1024
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: so maybe he thought that the person had a gun.

1025
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: And then that's a reasonable fear that he had. When

1026
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: cops pull people over and shoot them willy nilly, it's

1027
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: because because you know, not again, not giving any benefit

1028
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: of the doubts the cops. But I mean one thing

1029
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: that cops can definitely have in their head that's a fact,

1030
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: is like a anybody you pull over might have a gun.

1031
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: That's just a fact because by the nature of the

1032
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: country that we lived in. So, you know, I think like,

1033
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: even though we are trying, you know, I don't want

1034
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: to get us too far off of the self defense thing.

1035
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: And this is about self defense. I think that that

1036
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: the gun play in America definitely feeds into that because

1037
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: like everybody's got self defense laws. They are just like

1038
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: ready for self defense all the time. But let's get

1039
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: into this next song, Kwondo Rondo's end of story. So

1040
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: Chicago rapper King Vaughan was shot and killed had a

1041
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: nightclub in Atlanta back in when was it October? I

1042
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: believe um allegedly after an altercation with Kwando Rondo and

1043
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: his crew. So now um or since then? Uh, Kwanda

1044
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: Rondo seems to have told his side of the story

1045
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: in his song end up story. So let's just do

1046
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: it real quick. Yeah, why you scream myself? So he

1047
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, he starts off accusing fans for acting like

1048
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: the police. Um. He says nowadays, it's like the fans

1049
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: doing the police job. Y'all talk that gangster ship, but

1050
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,959
Speaker 1: cry when the nigga get knocked, you post a walk

1051
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: in how you talk it but ship. So then got

1052
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: my point across. So we sort of like talking about

1053
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: people who you know, we're calling him out and you

1054
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: know you like, yo, you killed niggu um being snitches

1055
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: in essence? Um, he goes on, has really don't understand

1056
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: the concept of snitching. And they they use the word

1057
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: snitches like conservatives use cancel culture and wilkeness. They just

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Speaker 1: throw that ship around for anything, like all right, yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: he goes on. He references Timothy Leaks, who was charged

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Speaker 1: with Melanie murder and King Vaughan's death. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: defending him, saying, you know, we had to make it home.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know, I'm riding with a little Timmy right

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Speaker 1: or wrong and stuff like that. So saying pretty much

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Speaker 1: that his friend who was charged with the murder of

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Speaker 1: this other mapper was just offending them. Um. And he

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Speaker 1: goes on next part, he actually encourages people to look

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Speaker 1: at little Timmy right and right or wrong, I think

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Speaker 1: his buddy says. So even whether it's so I'm translating

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Speaker 1: that is whether or not he was just to fight

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Speaker 1: and kill him the guy in the fight or not

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01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: he's righting was dog. Yes, yeah, I mean that's valain. Um.

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Speaker 1: Did he encourage people to look at the surveillance camera footage, UM,

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Speaker 1: which appears to show King Von initiating the conflict. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, damn right, we screaming self defense. Shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: never put his hands on me. Look at the footage,

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01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: that's all evidence. See them pussy negus shouldn't have run

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Speaker 1: up on me. Um, so again alleging self defense, saying

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Speaker 1: that the other guy was the aggressor and they just

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Speaker 1: try to protect themselves. I mean, it's it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: along the lines of what I was saying before, um

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Speaker 1: all throughout this, which is like I mean, at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, is it's all stupid ship. But

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Speaker 1: like I would have much rather that this has just

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01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: been a fight between some rappers. Well, I think what

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01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: ends up happening is that one person isn't around to

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Speaker 1: argue their side of whether or not they were. And

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Speaker 1: that's what happened. When we remember when we covered the

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Speaker 1: baby case, his shooting thing that he had years ago

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01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: is the same sort of situation where it's like you

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01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: only hear one side of the story, and I'm walking

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Speaker 1: around for years thinking, Okay, this is part of the

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01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: legend of the baby, and then you find out not

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01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: even you find out, but it's just like you look

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01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: more into the story, it's like, oh, no, that person

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01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: who died had a mother and a brother and a

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01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: sister and witnesses of their own who all saw some

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01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: different ship, you know what I mean, So like like

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Speaker 1: it's just it's just it just really fucking makes me

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Speaker 1: angry that, like, this can't just be a Jerry Springer

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Speaker 1: situation where like one crew says we didn't start it,

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01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: and this crew says we didn't start it, And a

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Speaker 1: couple of dudes got a fat lip and another guy

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01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: has like a broken wrist or something like that, and

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01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: everybody went to booking and now they're outside beefing with

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Speaker 1: each other on the internet and yeada YadA, Like I

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01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: would much rather it be that then oh man, you

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01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't have should have touched me. Now it's trying to

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01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: cap like yeah, and and and again, like Homie might

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Speaker 1: have been fearing for his life, he one me probably

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01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: was fearing for his life. The reason he was fearing

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01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: her life is because he didn't know whether those motherfucker's

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Speaker 1: had guns. Yeah. Um. The last thing I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about is I think, I mean, like God classic,

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Speaker 1: only God can judge me by twocock off of all

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01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: lies on me in and particularly this one line. And

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Speaker 1: I think the was it the first verse? Listen to

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Speaker 1: it real quick point. No such things the self defense

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01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: in the tour, the loss of judges. When we get

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Speaker 1: to win across that's where you so on the third verse,

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Speaker 1: rapping for Trey says, um, ain't no such thing as

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Speaker 1: self defense in the court of loss or judges. When

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Speaker 1: we get to where we're going, wearing a cross, starts

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Speaker 1: off by saying, what, let's you say? Oh yeah, would

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Speaker 1: you be wrong for bucking the nigga to the pavement?

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Speaker 1: You're gonna give me first, so um if I don't

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Speaker 1: get them full started praying um, which I just thought

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Speaker 1: I just had that second the power he says, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know such thing as self defense in the court

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Speaker 1: of law, So judge. When we get to wherever wewhere

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Speaker 1: in the cross, it's kind of a reversal of the

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Speaker 1: line that you know, people say I'd rather be judged

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Speaker 1: by twelve than carried by six sort of been blind.

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Speaker 1: Since there's no justice in the system of criminal justice

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Speaker 1: and judgment can only come in the afterlife, you might

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Speaker 1: as well fucking pull guns because if you die, you

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Speaker 1: actually get judge fairly versus and you go to court,

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Speaker 1: which is so bleak. It's ill because, like I mean,

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Speaker 1: you have. Tupac had a very very notable self defense

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Speaker 1: case that he actually got got off on on the

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Speaker 1: ground of self defense when he shot two police officers

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Speaker 1: who were Yeah, I mean, I guess I talk himself defense.

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Speaker 1: They were unlawfully trying to harm him, and he defend

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Speaker 1: himself and he shot them. Um. Oh, speaking of shooting cops,

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Speaker 1: Bob Marley's I shot the sheriff. Oh yeah, I almost

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01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 1: forgot this one. Had a hip hop song, but nonetheless

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Speaker 1: very influential. Um is the third track on side one

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Speaker 1: of his album Burnon, And I didn't know this before.

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Speaker 1: The song is actually apparently about birth control. Did you

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01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: know this? Okay? So, Jamaican filmmaker and actress Esther Anderson,

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Speaker 1: who was once Marley's girlfriend, said she helped Marley write

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Speaker 1: the song and said the line in which Marley sings

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01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: about Sheriff John Brown hating him and always wanting to

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01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,839
Speaker 1: kill the seeds. He planted was about Marley being against

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Speaker 1: her use of birth control during their relationship. Really supposedly,

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01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: but according to Marley and writing the song, he wanted

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Speaker 1: to use the phrase I shot the police, but in

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Speaker 1: said I shot the sheriff, because he thought to be

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Speaker 1: less inflammatory, thought that, you know, the authorities would have

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01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: created a fuss if he said I shot the police,

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Speaker 1: So we decided to use the other phrase to avoid

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Speaker 1: unnecessary issues. So like he was like, I mean, there

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Speaker 1: there may have been a metaphor implanted there and blended

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Speaker 1: um about you know, some other relationship ship. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: ultimately the song is I think remembered as that. That's

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying that's dope. I just mean

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Speaker 1: like that trivia is dope trivia if true, if true,

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Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, that's all we got for this week.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't there? Wasn't there a rap version? Was there a represion?

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Speaker 1: I feel like warrenge G, hold up, let me yep, yep, yep,

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Speaker 1: warrenge G did one me? We can we add an

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Speaker 1: amendment to this can we add another song here? I'm

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Speaker 1: about to post the link in the thing you're check. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I remember the show? You know what? We don't even

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01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: got it. I'm sorry, I'm going all over the place

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01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: right now. But like we forgot literally the most famous

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Speaker 1: hip hop song about self defense, Warrenge's Regulators. Oh ship

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01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: like Warrens Regulators is literally about self defense, God damn,

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01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: literally about something that you know what this is. It's

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01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: too many and we have been going for a long time.

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Speaker 1: It's too many songs. Just check out the playlist on

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01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: the Dope Knife Spotify, and you guys can check out

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01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: all the songs that we have listed on today and

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Speaker 1: some of the other ones that didn't make the cut,

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01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: and also past episodes and stuff like that. But um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I didn't even think about that ship

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01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: for something like. I'm so mad at myself because that

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01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: should have been the first thing that I said when

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Speaker 1: you said that we should do an episode on self defense. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm slipping slipping anyway. You know what? Doesn't ever slip

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Speaker 1: the wraps ever? Do they never? Joe, my good sir,

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01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: can you give us a beat? Feeling like? Brother Malcolm'm

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01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: gonna pick into the blind trying to people around the

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01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: street to see who's creeping in the ride. But if

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Speaker 1: it's one of them, I ain't freak them. Now. I've

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01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: been the fined on my eye until the weekend. One

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Speaker 1: has died, and this is why I ain't sleeping in

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01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: the night. I was thinking that I might have to

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Speaker 1: keep them in my sight and defend my castle from

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Speaker 1: trigger happy assholes and the pinch. But I'd rather be

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Speaker 1: judged by twelve and carry but six like well francaations,

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