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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realists, we returned to you with another classic

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Speaker 1: episode this evening, guys, I was recently reading some initial

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Speaker 1: findings that argue the idea of pain relief through consumption

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Speaker 1: of cannabis may indeed be an example of the placebo effect. Well,

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Speaker 1: I was read about this. I know, I thought the

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Speaker 1: research was solid on pain relief, right.

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Speaker 2: That's why there's medical marijuana because of things like that.

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Speaker 1: And obviously we have no moral objection to cannabis. God knows,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot less dangerous than things like tobacco or alcohol. However,

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Speaker 1: we also know that over the years, due in part

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Speaker 1: to legal vilification of cannabis, we know that people have

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Speaker 1: started to say, or for a long time, people have

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Speaker 1: ascribed any number of superhuman medical powers to this substance

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Speaker 1: and chemicals within it. And there's a large contention of

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Speaker 1: people who are convinced that cannabis can cure cancer.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's find out why they think that.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 4: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is

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Speaker 4: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 4: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 4: production of iHeart Radios. How stuff works.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nolan.

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Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Paul, Mission Control decand most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you. You are here and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Now, we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about something that for a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of straight shooting kids in middle school and even high school,

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Speaker 1: was a terrifying subject. Today we were talking about marijuana,

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Speaker 1: that's right, conspiracy realist, left hand cigarettes, the Devil's tobacco,

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Speaker 1: Uncle Jimmy's Brain, medicine, nap nuggets, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Pot, I'm a big fan of the Devil's lettuce.

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Speaker 1: That's one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Grass, stuff that I was terrified of when I was

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Speaker 2: in middle school in high school. You've nailed it already.

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Speaker 3: Did your parents make you watch me for madness? Matt?

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Speaker 2: No, No, They just said, don't be messing around with

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Speaker 2: that stuff. Matt, and I said, okay.

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Speaker 1: They said, hemp belongs in a necklace.

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Speaker 2: And some people came to my school and they showed

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Speaker 2: me a bunch of stuff about how bad it was,

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Speaker 2: and the police had guns and they were like, we

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Speaker 2: will use these on you if you smoke this wacky

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Speaker 2: tobacci And I was like, okay, See they.

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Speaker 3: Came to my school and brought a giant like Hunter S.

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Speaker 3: Thompson's style suitcase full of drugs, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: I want to try that one, and that one and

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Speaker 3: that one. It just it wasn't a very good They

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as an award winning essays for dare, I can

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Speaker 1: tell you that stuff doesn't stick with you forever. I

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Speaker 1: had a similar experience to you know, I had a

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Speaker 1: our local law enforcement brought in like a trifle wooden contraption,

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Speaker 1: and then they passed around little vials of things like

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Speaker 1: this is what cocaine looks like, this is what crack

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Speaker 1: looks like. And someone said are they the same? And

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Speaker 1: they're like, excellent question. You take them differently, so you

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Speaker 1: snort cocaine and then you smoke crack. But you have

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Speaker 1: they basically taught us how to use drugs while under

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Speaker 2: You know, I have to imagine that the purpose of

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about physical symptoms. Yeah, yeah, you know it

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Speaker 1: was well intentioned. And uh, what was it? Gruff McGruff, trench,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he took a bite. Took a bite out of it.

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Speaker 2: Sugo Illinois six six five two ways.

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Speaker 3: That really made an impression on you.

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Speaker 1: So it's weird because for many people growing up in

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Speaker 1: The assumption there was that marijuana was a gateway drug

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Speaker 1: But we didn't really get a lot of answers about

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Speaker 1: it's also helpful? And to answer that, we have to

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Speaker 1: first figure out what weed actually is and how it works.

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Speaker 1: So here are the facts.

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Speaker 2: I'll start here when we think about the origins of

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Speaker 2: We believe, at least humanity believes it originated somewhere in India,

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Speaker 2: You know, we think, right, we know, I'm just going

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Speaker 2: it grows in once a year. Essentially, it has a

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Speaker 2: And there are even reports that these things can grow

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Speaker 3: Well, indica, you can remember the effects of an indica

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Speaker 2: We're not talking about the effects yet, Noel, Sorry.

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Speaker 3: I was just I think.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, there's not there's not really an opposing

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Speaker 3: one for sativa. But sativa is the one that makes

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Speaker 3: it gives you a little more energy, and they they

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Speaker 3: indica is a lot more like it makes you lethargic

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for putting in all the research.

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Speaker 3: No worries, I like to help.

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Speaker 1: Did you make that one up?

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Speaker 3: No? It's in the parlance of our time.

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Speaker 2: The whole boy there is the Indica variety, whatever that

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Speaker 2: these more Satifa variety.

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Speaker 1: Sure, and as you said, being that's annual. It has

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Speaker 3: It's true, It's true. It's also you know, you may

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Speaker 3: it's good to consume along with some gin and juice.

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Speaker 1: What about sour diesel? That's just another versa. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: it's weird because also side to not condoning illegally growing

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Speaker 1: Police when investigating grow houses are able to or energy usage.

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Speaker 1: And that's how a lot of people get popped.

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Speaker 3: Big spikes and energy at specific times.

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Speaker 1: That's a real red flag for the authorities, right exactly.

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Speaker 2: Crotchety neighbors opening their door and going.

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Speaker 1: Well again, or crotchety neighbors becoming inexplicably cool and picking

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's pretty funny. I was just in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 2: Whoa.

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Speaker 3: She's just like, what is that? And I was like, well, honey,

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Speaker 3: there's this thing called marijuana. You might have heard about

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Speaker 3: it from the rap music in California. It's it's perfectly legal,

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, and it emphasized that that's not the case

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Speaker 3: But also, you know, it is more of a conversation

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Speaker 1: we don't still one hundred percent understand absolutely how it works.

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Speaker 1: We get most of it, We get the gist of

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Speaker 1: violin of this chemical orchestra or symphony. But marijuana actually

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Speaker 1: contains hundreds of different things, and of those hundreds of chemicals,

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Speaker 1: called cannabinoids. That's the stuff for which Cannabis sativa is named.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what thenoid was named after. Remember the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe it was. I thought maybe it was

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Speaker 1: a mispronunciation of nerd, but also possible nooid could happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Well and what do stoners enjoy Yo Yo's pizza?

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Speaker 1: Pizza? Oh? Yeah, Like I just I was way way

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't until like two or three years ago

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Speaker 1: So CBD is a lot like THC. It has the

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Speaker 1: And the strange thing about the way CBD became or THHC,

436
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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, became the criminalized here

437
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Speaker 1: in Georgia. The strange thing about it is that even

438
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Speaker 1: the supporters in the local legislature made a weird, semi

439
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Speaker 1: puritanical argument and they said, Okay, this cannabinoid oil they

440
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Speaker 1: would call it, does have the ability to reduce symptoms

441
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Speaker 1: of pain, and they also claimed, i think maybe a

442
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Speaker 1: reduced likelihood of seizures in certain types of epilepsy. And

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Speaker 1: their big selling point when they spoke to the voting

444
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Speaker 1: public was don't worry, no one's going to get high.

445
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Speaker 1: It's just going to relieve pain. Essentially, the argument is,

446
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Speaker 1: don't worry, no one is going to have fun. Yeah,

447
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Speaker 1: that's the way it was presented, and I'm being a

448
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Speaker 1: little cavalier there, but obviously they were saying that because

449
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Speaker 1: people will get these medical or medicinal rather benefits of

450
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Speaker 1: this substance. They if they don't get high. When that happens,

451
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: we are much less concerned about things that propaganda has

452
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Speaker 1: historically tied to this vision of marijuana, dangers of addiction,

453
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Speaker 1: criminal acts. You know, I'm out here stealing radios and

454
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Speaker 1: pulling copper wire out out of houses because I need

455
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Speaker 1: my fix of marijuana. I need to inject my marijuana unit.

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Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, that's a whole discussion we can have

457
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Speaker 2: later just about supposedly not being able to get addicted

458
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Speaker 2: to the substance because there's not habit forming, but then

459
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Speaker 2: also the societal or normalized like use of this and

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Speaker 2: how it becomes ingrained in a just your everyday life,

461
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Speaker 2: and just what the difference between that and addiction.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's physical addiction and then there's mental addiction, or

463
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Speaker 3: just routine or just enjoying something and enjoying the way it.

464
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Speaker 3: You know, it's part of your life, and maybe you

465
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Speaker 3: take that a little too far and it does become

466
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Speaker 3: a crutch of some sort or another.

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Speaker 2: Well, especially when you're talking about something like CBD that

468
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Speaker 2: doesn't have that the fun part, right, but it has

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Speaker 2: the medicinal effect of like a painkiller.

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Speaker 1: Well I would I would say, you know, when an

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Speaker 1: addiction is widely misunderstood and the mental aspect is just

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Speaker 1: often just as powerful, you know what I mean. That's

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Speaker 1: why people get addicted to routines that have no real

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Speaker 1: physiological impact.

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Speaker 2: Right.

476
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Speaker 1: So this is strange because now we have to now

477
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Speaker 1: we have to address something that is a controversial, ongoing

478
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Speaker 1: topic in the debate about marijuana here in the United States,

479
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Speaker 1: and to be fair abroad, and that is this let's

480
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Speaker 1: call it medicine or mumbo jumbo. So there are people

481
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Speaker 1: who say, okay, marijuana should be legal, it should only

482
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Speaker 1: be medicinal. There are people who say marijuana should be

483
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Speaker 1: you know, it's Katie bar the door. It should be recreationally.

484
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Speaker 1: You're over a certain age, do what you want forward

485
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Speaker 1: the future. It's a brave new world. And have you

486
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Speaker 1: ever really listened to music, if you ever really felt

487
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Speaker 1: that groove?

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Speaker 3: This is what they do.

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Speaker 1: They point to research into the perceived medical benefits of marijuana,

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Speaker 1: and there are some well established aspects here. The most

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Speaker 1: common one, by far, the most common argument for medical

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Speaker 1: marijuana in the US is for pain control.

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Speaker 2: No weed, no matter.

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Speaker 1: How strong it is, right, or how strong people tell

495
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Speaker 1: you it is. It's pain relieving effect is not going

496
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Speaker 1: to be strong enough to get you through, say, the

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Speaker 1: severe pain of instantly being in a car accident. There's

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Speaker 1: the reason why EMTs don't automatically give people in the

499
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Speaker 1: intensely traumatic car accidents a weed brownie. You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. It still is effective though, for chronic pain,

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Speaker 1: and chronic pain is a huge problem for millions of

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Speaker 1: people in this country, especially as people age. It is

503
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Speaker 1: whether you love it or hate it or don't care.

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Speaker 1: Marijuana and it's different derivative products are all safer than opiates.

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Speaker 1: You can't really overdose on it. Addiction debate a side.

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Speaker 1: It is far less addictive than an opioid. It can

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Speaker 1: also people will argue, They'll say it will take the

508
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Speaker 1: place of things like advil or leave if you can't

509
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Speaker 1: use those things due to you know, their delettorious effects

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Speaker 1: on the kidneys, or you know, maybe they interact with

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Speaker 1: pre existing ulcers or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, marijuana for a long time has

513
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Speaker 2: been purported to do a ton of other helpful things

514
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Speaker 2: like easing just nerve pain in general, like that chronic

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Speaker 2: pain or just other general pain. It's said to be

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Speaker 2: able to act as a muscle relaxant and people, well,

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Speaker 2: I mean, actually, we know it's been shown to lessen

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Speaker 2: tremors in Parkinson's disease and as we mentioned, the seizures

519
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Speaker 2: in epilepsy like it has been shown to do this.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it does feel as though, at least

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Speaker 2: if you're looking at it from the reporting and the

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Speaker 2: scientific you know, reports that have been coming out on

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Speaker 2: it for years and years and years now, it seems

524
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Speaker 2: to have lots of beneficial effects.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I mean the old getting the munchies

526
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Speaker 3: quality of weed is actually a very very powerful and

527
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Speaker 3: important thing for folks who are going through cancer treatment.

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Speaker 3: Let's say, who don't want to eat because they're constantly nauseous,

529
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Speaker 3: or they're just don't don't feel well. You know, you

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Speaker 3: don't want to you don't have an appetite if you

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Speaker 3: constantly in pain, and marijuana absolutely does give you an

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Speaker 3: increased appetite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's in addition to being a muscle relaxant

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Speaker 1: and a general pain pain lessener I'm making that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and something that can generally suppress pain, it also suppresses nausea,

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Speaker 1: It relieves eye pressure, decreases muscle spasms, simulates the appetite,

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Speaker 1: stops convulsions, and apparently can go a long way toward

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Speaker 1: eliminating menstrual pain. This just full disclosure. There was an

539
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Speaker 1: Illuminati Global Unlimited commercial for some related products. However, due

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Speaker 1: to the sticky federal status of marijuana, they pulled out

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Speaker 1: at the last second.

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Speaker 2: So sticky federal status of the icky, sticky iky Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's also because of these therapeutic effects used to treat

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Speaker 1: symptoms of conditions that are often in cure. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about aids. For example, right as you said, your stomach

546
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: feels a little better, you're finally able to eat. Glaucoma

547
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: and epilepsy, and even multiple sclerosis. Multiple sclerosis in particular

548
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Speaker 1: is an area where there there aren't a ton of

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Speaker 1: options for treatment. You know, people who have taken things

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Speaker 1: like neurotin lyrica or opiates find them to be effective,

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Speaker 1: but to also have this massive sedative effect, right, or

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Speaker 1: sedating effect. So they'll say, look, I could take these

553
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Speaker 1: drugs that will knock me out like I've been hit

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Speaker 1: with a you know, uh, industrial level tranquilizer. But if

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00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: I ingest marijuana in some way, I can do whatever

556
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: I was doing beforehand or whatever I wanted to do,

557
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Speaker 1: and I don't feel completely out of it. I don't

558
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm on a mandatory forced nap where I'm

559
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: somehow mentally checked out. I still feel present. But these

560
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: claims remain controversial, and part of it is because there

561
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Speaker 1: are a ton for everyone sort of scientifically supported claim

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Speaker 1: about benefits of this substance. There are ten twelve, twenty five,

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Speaker 1: fifty seven sixty nine nice different ideas or claims about

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Speaker 1: other stuff that marijuana can purportedly do. And to some people,

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Speaker 1: make no mistake, marijuana transcends medicine entirely. Like it's a

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Speaker 1: substantial part of the religion of Rastafarianism, you know, And

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00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: people will say, okay, you know, this is a holy

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Speaker 1: thing to me. I take this in some way as

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Speaker 1: part of my religious practices. Right, So, marijuana it occupies

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Speaker 1: a unique space in the world of like drugs or sacrament.

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Speaker 1: But of course there's a conspiracy because some people say,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, marijuana.

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Speaker 2: May do more.

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Speaker 1: I'm waving my finger in the air here, Yeah marijuana

575
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: may help paying But it does more than that, you see.

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Speaker 1: They argue marijuana has been unfairly vilified and banned, not

577
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Speaker 1: because it is dangerous to humans, but because it is

578
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: instead dangerous to the financial status quo of things like

579
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: big pharma and the healthcare industry. Weed, they argue, can

580
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: actually cure cancer. I know many of us are saying, wait, what,

581
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: that's what this episode is about.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it was in the title. Guys, people forgot

583
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: because of the short term memory loss thing. You know,

584
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Speaker 2: because everybody listening to this.

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Speaker 1: Is here's where it gets crazy. It is true, well

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Speaker 1: at least it's true that some people believe marijuana can

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Speaker 1: cure cancer. We have a specific exam just to give

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Speaker 1: you a more humanistic, qualitative anecdotal account here.

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Speaker 3: So in twenty fourteen, a then sixty three year old

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Speaker 3: gentleman by the name of Mike Cutler claimed that cannabis

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Speaker 3: oil cured him of cancer of the liver, which he'd

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Speaker 3: been diagnosed with in two thousand and nine, actually received

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Speaker 3: a liver transplant the same year, and then the cancer

594
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Speaker 3: came back in late twenty twelve after he learned about

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Speaker 3: cannabis oil from a YouTube video. No less sure as

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Speaker 3: doctor was all about that. You know, it's like YouTube

597
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: or WebMD that is a doctor's worst enemy. Cutler said

598
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Speaker 3: that he began to take the oil and his pain

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Speaker 3: disappeared in only three days. Then a biopsy at the

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Speaker 3: Royal Free Hospital in London proved that his cancerous cells

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Speaker 3: had in fact vanished.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that was great for a time, but he got

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Speaker 2: diagnosed with lung cancer in July twenty fourteen, and unfortunately

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Speaker 2: he passed away in twenty fourteen in December.

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Speaker 1: So this is just one example, and there are multitudes

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Speaker 1: of similar stories, perhaps some stories that will come to

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Speaker 1: us directly from you listening. In some of these stories,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. A lot of them end with someone

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00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: someone ultimately dying of cancer because it pops up somewhere

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Speaker 1: else in their body. But in other stories there are

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Speaker 1: inexplicable remissions, and it does seem that the cancer cells

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00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: not only disappear like they did the Royal Free Hospital

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Speaker 1: in London, but that they disappear for good. And this

614
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: leads to these conspiratorial claims, and they're very they're very familiar.

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00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: They differ a little bit in the specifics, but if

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00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: we look at it academically, we see this shame trends

617
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: time and time again, and it's many people who believe

618
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: cannabis can cure all or some types of cancer that

619
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Speaker 1: it functions as a panacea for cancer. Also believe that

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Speaker 1: this is not They're not some like a person who's

621
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Speaker 1: hip to a secret truth of the world. They believe

622
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: this is common knowledge at the top of the medical industry.

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Speaker 1: And the argument goes like this, it's more profitable for

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Speaker 1: big Pharma or insert medical boogeyman here to sell synthetic

625
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: drugs or even substances that are derived ultimately from cannabis,

626
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Speaker 1: and instead of curing patients, lock them into a subscription service.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about this so many times on the

628
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: show before. The cons true, Well, the cons yes. On

629
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Speaker 2: the base level, it is true that if you can

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Speaker 2: lock someone into a subscription service of any kind, it

631
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: is a better business model for you. And that goes

632
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: for everything from the media you consume, to the drugs

633
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 2: you take, to the sickness you have. In this case,

634
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: in a very messed up way, it makes more sense

635
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: to sell someone a monthly service than to just cure

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Speaker 2: them so they don't have to buy anything from you ever.

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00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: Again, right, and from a business perspective, from a capitalist perspective,

638
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: why would someone what would a company allow a plant

639
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: that grows wild and is readily cheaply available to eat

640
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: into your profits. All you had to do. All you

641
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: have to do is prime the pump a little bit

642
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: with some lobbying millions and make sure that the plant

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Speaker 1: is illegal. You can do it through racist propaganda, or

644
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: you can just sponsor the right politicians to push that

645
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: bill through, and then after that plant's illegal, you can

646
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Speaker 1: get a loophole in the bill whereby you sell proprietary,

647
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: expensive derivatives and they're the only game in town, you

648
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you could you could pay

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much people pay for weed, but

650
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: you know you could pay buy like a joint and

651
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: smoke it. Or you could get a one hundred plus

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Speaker 1: dollars a month prescription that just kept you popping pills

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Speaker 1: to repress your chronic pain while not at all curing

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Speaker 1: the condition. So it's bad for the people, but it's

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Speaker 1: great for the companies. And the fact that this does

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Speaker 1: not seem outright and possible, the fact that, like you said, Matt,

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Speaker 1: there are similar cases where stuff like this has happened,

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Speaker 1: even if they don't evolve weed. That fact disturb everyone listening.

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Speaker 1: You know, we no longer think of this as some

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Speaker 1: way out there quote unquote tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. We

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Speaker 1: all listen to this and we think of stories we've

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Speaker 1: heard in recent years.

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Speaker 4: And go, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It does feel at least to make a li more

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Speaker 2: sense than one would hope.

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Speaker 2: All right, we are back. Now, let's jump right into this,

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Speaker 2: and let's kind of aim at the more skeptical people

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Speaker 2: in the audience. If you don't mind everyone listening, Thank

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Speaker 2: you for speaking with you.

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Speaker 3: Now that's the non high ones, right, Well, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: it just depends.

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Speaker 2: But let's consider just this concept of an industry, specifically

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Speaker 2: healthcare industry, of some sort of big pharma suppressing cannabis

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Speaker 2: without some kind of miraculous cancer cure, without it being

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Speaker 2: a cancer cure. Right, So let's look to twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: because that year the Guardian found that some pharma pharmaceutical

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Speaker 2: companies were putting money, a lot of money, just pouring

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Speaker 2: it into the fight to keep illegal and they weren't alone.

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Speaker 2: Other companies that sell a product that is meant to

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Speaker 2: have a similar effect alcohol companies were doing the same thing.

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Speaker 2: So strangely enough, they kind of alcohol and healthcare found

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Speaker 2: themselves on the same side, right, big alcohol, I guess

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Speaker 2: in big pharma.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, big booze, how about that? Yeah? Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: the weirdest thing because their motivation, from what we can tell,

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Speaker 1: seems to be less a matter of hiding some miraculous

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Speaker 1: cure and more a matter of protecting their financial interest,

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Speaker 1: protecting their market share in what I'd like to call

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Speaker 1: the intoxication racket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does make sense if you think about

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Speaker 2: it for a few moments.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Amanda Ryman, who was manager of marijuana Law

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Speaker 1: and Policy at the Drug Policy Alliance, an advocacy group

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Speaker 1: that promotes drug reforms, said we've definitely seen a more

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Speaker 1: active opposition from the pharma industry. Research conducted by myself

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Speaker 1: and others shows that medical cannabis patients are substituting cannabis

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Speaker 1: for pharmaceuticals at a very high rate and for alcohol

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Speaker 1: at a pretty high rate as well. So this is

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Speaker 1: a financial threat maybe.

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Speaker 2: And then if we go and look at the old alcohol,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what we call him, big alcohol, the

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Speaker 2: inebriati ooh, the Inebriati.

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Speaker 1: I didn't make that up. That's from some comedy writers

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Speaker 1: that I enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Well, Hey, comedy writers, whoever you are, Michel and we oh,

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Speaker 2: Mitchell and web Oh yeah, Inebriati oh Man, thanks guys.

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Speaker 2: I could listen to them for hours. So let's go.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the Arizona Wine and Spirits Wholesale Association,

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Speaker 2: because this outfit gave one of the largest donations to

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Speaker 2: the Arizona anti anti legalization campaign. It paid ten grand

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Speaker 2: for Arizona's for Responsible Drug Policy. They just, you know,

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Speaker 2: ten grand isn't a ton of money, but it is

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Speaker 2: a pretty hefty donation. They were very much interested in

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Speaker 2: not having marijuana become legalized in Arizona. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then the Beer Distributors Political Action Committee recently donated

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Speaker 3: twenty five k to the Campaign for a Safe and

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Speaker 3: Healthy Massachusetts, making it the state's third largest backer of

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Speaker 3: the opposition to recreational cannabis.

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Speaker 2: I have to say, I'm honestly a little surprised that

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Speaker 2: these numbers aren't higher.

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Speaker 3: I am too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, the reason they seem smaller is because they're specific donations.

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Speaker 1: If you looked, if you pulled the numbers for maybe

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Speaker 1: beer distributors pac overall, you would see these dribs and drabs,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, kind of like the Bureau

728
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Speaker 1: of Public Roads was channeling in very small amounts across

729
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Speaker 1: a wide distribution network. That way you can stay out

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Speaker 1: of the news for you know, giving a million dollars

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Speaker 1: to the Campaign for a Safe and Healthy Massachusetts.

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Speaker 3: Here's some irony for you. We've got Purdue Pharma and

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Speaker 3: Abbott Laboratories, makers of oxy content and Vikaden, which are

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Speaker 3: you know, very powerful opioid painkillers. They were among the

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Speaker 3: largest contributors to the Anti Drug Coalition of America. Wait

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Speaker 3: a minute, drug companies, Yes, contributing to anti drug packs

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Speaker 3: or whatever it is. It is that a would you

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Speaker 3: consider that a pack coalition?

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Speaker 2: Look, if you can smoke it, noel or snort it,

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Speaker 2: it's not a real drug.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, we'll tell that other the people that crush

742
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Speaker 3: up and snort oxy content.

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, that's their medicine.

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Speaker 2: Go back to middle school. I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Oh to see dare to get the data presentation idea.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, guys, I still thought that song slapped.

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Speaker 1: They got me with the.

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Speaker 3: Song there's a song. Yeah, I remember the dare sound.

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Speaker 1: I'll play it for you off air, right, So there

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Speaker 1: were a couple I think, but but you're right. And

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Speaker 1: to compound this, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America,

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Speaker 1: this is one of marijuana's biggest official opponents, spent almost

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Speaker 1: nineteen million dollars on lobbying in twenty fifteen and then

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Speaker 1: increased that in twenty sixteen. And they didn't This didn't

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Speaker 1: come out of just some brainstorming session. They have a

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Speaker 1: lot of quantitative data to back their apprehension because in

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Speaker 1: states that have legalized medical marijuana, opiate overdoses have dropped

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Speaker 1: by roughly twenty five percent. That's a huge number. And

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Speaker 1: that's in comparison to states that have prohibited sales marijuana.

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Speaker 1: And this was a study not by some advocacy group

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Speaker 1: paid shadow money. This was a study in twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: from the Journal of the American Medical Association, which is

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Speaker 1: above legit in most In most of these kinds of conversations,

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Speaker 1: think about that they're pouring millions of dollars into legislative

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Speaker 1: mechanisms to stop marijuana legalization, not because they're concerned about

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Speaker 1: the health of people. But because it's reducing opioid use.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I did think about that, Ben, and I don't

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Speaker 2: like it.

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Speaker 1: So the studies imply that people could be using medical

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Speaker 1: marijuana to treat their chronic pain rather than the alternative

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Speaker 1: of opioid painkillers, or maybe they're mixing the two and

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Speaker 1: they're taking lower doses of opioids than they would normally

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Speaker 1: be taking, which would of course a produce.

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Speaker 2: Bottom line, Yeah, that would be bad for Purdue, the manufacturer,

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Speaker 2: and for the insurance industry as well.

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Speaker 1: And research by the University of Georgia shows that medicare

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Speaker 1: prescriptions for drugs that would treat chronic pain and anxiety

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Speaker 1: also dropped in states that legalized at least medical marijuana.

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Speaker 1: So when we talk about the idea, and this is

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Speaker 1: an idea that many people believe that marijuana can somehow

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Speaker 1: cure cancer and has been suppressed by the powers that be,

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Speaker 1: we have to look at the claims and they're controversial.

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Speaker 1: Going back to our opening anecdote, while Cutler was almost

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Speaker 1: certainly correct that marijuana lessened his pain, he did ultimately

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Speaker 1: pass away due to cancer. And then we have to

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Speaker 1: look at the proven functions, because marijuana does appear to

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Speaker 1: be legit at doing some of the things people say

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Speaker 1: it does.

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Speaker 3: So let's go into some of the facts the proven

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Speaker 3: functions of marijuana. It does appear that it's effective in

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Speaker 3: treating conditions associated with chronic diseases and cancer, and some

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Speaker 3: cannabinoids may have anti cancer qualities. Weed has not been

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Speaker 3: conclusively proven effective at combating cancer itself, though, or.

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Speaker 2: Has it well for that. Let's check out this recent

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Speaker 2: article from the Journal of the American Medical Association. There

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Speaker 2: is a doctor here, doctor Donald Abrams. He's an integrative

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Speaker 2: oncologist at the University of California, San Francisco. And there's

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Speaker 2: another gentleman, doctor Manuel Guzman, a researcher and professor of

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Speaker 2: biochemistry over at the University of Madrid or the Complictense

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Speaker 2: University in Madrid. And these guys were very optimistic or

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Speaker 2: at least found optimistic results when they were looking at

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Speaker 2: this pre clinical evidence of the anti cancer activities of cannabinoids.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy. The author's site studies mainly conducted using

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Speaker 2: animal models, so using a testing method of trying it

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Speaker 2: out on an animal, right, And there are four areas

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Speaker 2: where cancer finding effects of cannabinoids were found right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they found they could help induce death of cancer

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Speaker 1: cells while not this is important, while not targeting healthy cells,

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Speaker 1: could also block the proliferation of cancer cells, could impair

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Speaker 1: tumor growth, and could inhibit the spread of these cancer cells.

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Speaker 1: These are all these all sound very closely related, but

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Speaker 1: they are. They are distinct things and very important, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Especially again the golden goose here is just as much

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Speaker 1: what these substances do not target as it is what

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Speaker 1: they do target. Yes, So the doctors say there are

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Speaker 1: two other additional areas, and they found this in vitro

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Speaker 1: and animal studies. They said cannaboids selectively target cancer cells.

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Speaker 1: And they said they they can act in synergy with

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Speaker 1: standard anti cancer therapies, so they can be kind of

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Speaker 1: a cocktail.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: They have a cumulative effect with other cancer treatments, and

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Speaker 1: they can help mitigate tumor growth without increasing toxicity to

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Speaker 1: the host. Because you know, for a long time cures

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Speaker 1: for cancer were incredibly traumatic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, You're you're introducing chemicals into the body that are

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Speaker 2: going to injure you, You're going to lose your hair.

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Speaker 2: There are all kinds of effects that you're going to

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Speaker 2: get from trying to kill off the bad things, and

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Speaker 2: it's hurting the rest of your body as well. Right.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is that the authors themselves are not

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent on board with this because they're worried

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Speaker 1: that it'll get twisted out of proportion, as you know,

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Speaker 1: as so often happens with science headlines. They say, look,

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Speaker 1: don't take these results that we found in these very

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Speaker 1: controlled conditions and try to, you know, extrapolate those to

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Speaker 1: real life conclusions.

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Speaker 2: And make blanket statements about them.

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Speaker 1: And make blanket statements exactly. They say, you know, the

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Speaker 1: one of the most dangerous things you can do is

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Speaker 1: throw conventional treatments out of the water and just start

843
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Speaker 1: trying to mess with really, really potent cannabis medicine, because

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Speaker 1: if you're doing that instead of consulting with a doctor

845
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Speaker 1: and going through proven cancer treatments, you're dramatically lowering your

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Speaker 1: chances of recovery. We even have a quote from doctor

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Speaker 1: Abrams about this.

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Speaker 3: That's right. He says, one of the most painful things

849
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Speaker 3: that I have to deal with are people who have

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Speaker 3: a potentially curable malignancy who choose to treat it with

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Speaker 3: cannabis oils, and by the time they come to see me.

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Speaker 3: They are incurable with metastatic disease. He went on to

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Speaker 3: observe the people who claim that cannabis cured their cancer

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Speaker 3: often forget that they had already used other conventional treatments,

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Speaker 3: which he finds to be particularly misleading.

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Speaker 1: Right, maybe they're misattributing the true cause of their improvement

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Speaker 1: right there. This is something that physicians who specialize in

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Speaker 1: cannabis can also agree with. There's a guy named doctor

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Hergan rather and I love that name. He has

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Speaker 1: some of the same concerns as these doctors in that

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Speaker 1: Jama article, and he says, look, in some cases, using

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Speaker 1: cannabis has stopped tumor growth or caused a cancer to disappear,

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Speaker 1: but in others it didn't work to great effect, and

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Speaker 1: not all cancers are the same, so of course not

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Speaker 1: all cancers respond the same way. But he said, there's

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Speaker 1: an interesting trick of the methodology here because a lot

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Speaker 1: of patients who used cannabis and swear by it used

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Speaker 1: it along with their conventional therapies, and the fact that

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Speaker 1: they used it that way excludes them from being included

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Speaker 1: in the National Cancer Institute database. So maybe it's good

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Speaker 1: for them individually, but we were lacking opportunity to build

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Speaker 1: a larger understanding to a long story short, Yes, people

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Speaker 1: believe it. There is a little bit of science behind it,

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Speaker 1: and there is truth to the story of these established

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Speaker 1: businesses trying to repress this, likely for a profit motive,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If even if there is

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Speaker 1: some panas some silver bullet cure for cancer from marijuana,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Even if there's not one, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: These companies want to make money. That's why they're there.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to adapt in an environment where the attitude

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Speaker 1: toward cannabis is changing.

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Speaker 3: Which it absolutely is.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Research continues, but as of now, experts do agree that

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Speaker 3: the best use of cannabis towards cancer is as a

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Speaker 3: symptom reliever, not as a cure. Nausea, appetite, loss, pain, sleep, anxiety,

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Speaker 3: all of that stuff are greatly improved by use of cannabis.

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Speaker 3: There's no question about that. At least some of these

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Speaker 3: indications are supported in the landmark twenty seventeen Report on

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Speaker 3: by the National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think? This is an ongoing story

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Speaker 1: because research does continue. There's more and more research as

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Speaker 1: people are able to legally engage in clinical trials, or

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Speaker 1: I should say, as it's easier for people to get

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Speaker 1: clinical trials approved. What place should marijuana have in the

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Speaker 1: United States, in the world at large, and in the

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Speaker 2: I'm reading about right now. I was really hoping that

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Speaker 2: positive that yeah, hot sauce does cure cancer, because I

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