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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jenny and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We just got back

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Speaker 1: from our weekend at Crime Con and we can't wait

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Speaker 1: to tell you about it.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 2: It was truly such an incredible experience. I mean we

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Speaker 2: felt really overwhelmed going into the whole thing. We had

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Speaker 2: no idea what it was going to be like at all.

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Speaker 2: We've never really done anything like this. I mean, you've

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Speaker 2: done lectures publicly before, but I certainly have never done

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Speaker 2: any type of public speaking engagement, so I was certainly nervous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just was kind of surreal. It's like our

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Speaker 1: whole entire life. We've been watching you know, Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: and just getting into true crime, and it's it was

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Speaker 1: just weird that everybody that we've seen on TV and

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Speaker 1: heard on podcasts for the past, you know, twenty years,

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Speaker 1: we're all in one place. It just was so cool,

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Speaker 1: and it was even more cool that we got to

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Speaker 3: It was so neat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean every time we were at some the

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Speaker 2: like the kickoff party, anytime somebody walked by me, I

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Speaker 2: was like, oh my God, it's so and so, so

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Speaker 2: and so, and Ricky was like, how do you know

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Speaker 2: all these people? So I'm like, dude, I have literally

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Speaker 2: been watching these shows since the very inappropriately young age

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Speaker 2: watching Forensic Files. H l N to Catch a Predator

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Speaker 2: used to be seriously my favorite show. Remember it would

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Speaker 2: they would do marathons and we would watch it like

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Speaker 2: all that night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it was. It was so cool.

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Speaker 1: And so we were we were sitting in the speaker

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Speaker 1: room getting ready to do our podcast live. That was

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Speaker 1: kind of our first event that we were doing, and

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Speaker 1: then we heard the voice of an angel. Yes, Nan,

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Speaker 1: we hear Nancy Grace, and you just turn around and

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, oh my god, she's in this room

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Speaker 1: with us, and I just of course geeked out so bad.

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Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't even go up to her and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, after our session, we knew she would be

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Speaker 2: they let us kind of go in this back room

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in her true like voice, she was just like

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Speaker 1: you are her mom. It was so great, and she

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Speaker 1: just kept saying She said it like three times.

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Speaker 3: It was great.

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Speaker 1: But I was surprised. Honestly, she's like a little peanut.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize. I just wanted to like pick her

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she is way shorter than I ever thought, because

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Speaker 2: she definitely has like big energy, you know that I

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Speaker 2: absolutely so cool. It was such a full circle moment.

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Speaker 2: I felt for us that, like, I got really emotional

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Speaker 2: all these years, and now we finally get to meet

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Speaker 2: her in this professional setting. So that was really cool.

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Speaker 2: But we also met other awesome people as well. So

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Speaker 2: we had done that interview with Cheryl McCollum and we

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Speaker 2: Her husband and my husband talked about football forever and barbecue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and barbecue.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna have to team them up at some

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Speaker 2: Then later that night we talked to Laura Engel for

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I could have talked to her forever

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Speaker 2: about coburger And we were talking about the Menanda's case

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Speaker 2: And then later that night we took a picture with

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Speaker 3: He was so sweet too, he was so cute.

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Speaker 2: It was definitely cool to meet everybody, and their family

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Speaker 2: is just really everybody couldn't have been nicer. Also, at

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Speaker 2: the kickoff party, we met a couple of you guys,

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Speaker 2: so that was really fun for us, just you know,

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Speaker 2: getting a drink and having some casual conversation.

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Speaker 1: It was it was kind of it's weird because so

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Speaker 1: that's so cool. And then all these people were like,

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: And that's cool to us too because it's so new

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Speaker 3: So it was just it was just really awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, were people were coming up and they were like,

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Speaker 3: I was like really, yeah, it just was.

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Speaker 1: Like a really, because we're used to this whole, like

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Speaker 2: So the first night, which was Thursday, was the kickoff party,

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Speaker 2: and we were kind of fangrilling as much as all

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Speaker 2: Then Friday, we walked around, we saw that your book

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Speaker 3: I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: It was so great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So then we kind of just like mosied around

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Speaker 2: and you know, we do this. This episode's audio only,

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Speaker 2: But it was cool to see in person. So I

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Speaker 2: thought the live show went pretty good. I was definitely

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Speaker 3: It's like, holy shit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of people. But I thought

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Speaker 2: Then Sunday we did the meet and greet again. It

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Speaker 1: We were underprepared for the entire thing. But it was

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Speaker 3: Just it just was so cool. Again.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we were there over and out. It was

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Speaker 2: I saw after that Laura Ingele and Mark Garry Goes

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Speaker 1: But still, I'm telling you that this happened because I

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Speaker 2: I think I was like comparisoned or something.

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Speaker 3: So people were getting hurt left and right, and it's

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Speaker 3: He's very guilty. Just everything he was looking up. He

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Speaker 1: So one weird thing is that his dad's an obgyn.

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Speaker 2: All right, So who here has tattoos?

457
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: This is why I put this story on here because

458
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Speaker 1: when I was walking around here this morning, I'm like, Okay,

459
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 1: everyone here has tattoos.

460
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 3: So this is this is gonna be bron You're gonna

461
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 3: be bummed out. You made a horrible decision and clearly

462
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 3: we did too.

463
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 2: So a new study has revealed there is a possible

464
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 2: link between tattoo ink and lymphoma.

465
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,400
Speaker 1: So when you get tattooed, yeah, this is terrible because

466
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: lymphoma is cancer. Right, so you're like, great, I have

467
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 1: an increased urs of cancer.

468
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 3: Now awesome.

469
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: So when you get tattooed, even though you see them

470
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,120
Speaker 1: on your skin, a majority of the ink is actually

471
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: taken from your immune system because it goes to clean

472
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 1: whenever you have dirt go in your body or anything

473
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 1: that your body recognizes as far, and your immune system

474
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 1: kicks in to kind of grab that and pull it

475
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: away to clean it out of your body. So even

476
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: though you see the tattoo ink in your skin, a

477
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: lot of it is getting.

478
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 2: Pulled into your lymph nodes.

479
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: And it's this is actually a crazy story, but once

480
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: I was doing a lymph node in the surgical dissection

481
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: lab and it was black and one of the pathologists

482
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: came up to me and he was like, Nicole, come

483
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 1: look at this MP note under the microscope. And I

484
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: looked at it and there was all this black pigment

485
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: under the microscope and he's like, do you know what

486
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 1: this is?

487
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 3: And I said, I don't know what. It looks like

488
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 3: it might be.

489
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: Melanoma or something, because sometimes melanoma could have black pigment

490
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: in a lymph node as well. And he called up

491
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: the surgeon because this was during a surgery the patient

492
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 1: was still under anesthesia, and he said, I have a question.

493
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: Does this patient have a lot of tattoos? And the

494
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: surgeon's like, yeah, why And he's like, oh, because I

495
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: could see the tattoo pigment in her lymph nodes. So yeah,

496
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 1: that happens, and I guess the concern is that pigment

497
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: that's going into the lymph nodes. Is it because of

498
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: the tattoo inc. And what the tattoo inc Is compromised

499
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: of because the FDA doesn't really control it that well,

500
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: they don't really have regulations for the tattoo inc. Which

501
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: could be made up of all sorts of crazy things

502
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 1: that are basically being stored in our lymph nodes and

503
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: having access to ourselves, which could cause lymphoma, which is

504
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: super scary.

505
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

506
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 2: So they found that there's a twenty one percent higher

507
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: chance of developing lymphoma and people with tattoos. And this

508
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: was a study done in Sweden, so awesome, awesome, like

509
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: ten years ago.

510
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

511
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've had I've had some I've been vocal

512
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: about that on my Instagram that I've had problems with

513
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: my tattoos with sun exposure and having allergies with the

514
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: ink and everything.

515
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like a low grade.

516
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: Medical procedure to get a tattoo, and people don't realize that,

517
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: but you're creating an abrasion and you're putting foreign material

518
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: into your body and you could always have some kind

519
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: of reactions, so just.

520
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 3: Your beat if you have them, there's no going back now.

521
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry for this bad news today, but all right,

522
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: let's get into this next one.

523
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: Well, this is this is this is my favorite story.

524
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 2: Men are now getting a penile girth enhancement aka AKAA

525
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: penis filler to increase their girth, so.

526
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: Exactly that, well, that's what That's what they were saying, like, hey,

527
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: women are allowed to get their boobs done and stuff

528
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: like why can't we do this? So you hear women

529
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: getting fillers in their face, right, you hear they're getting

530
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: all of this stuff where you could see it in

531
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: a lot of women for sure. But it's because of

532
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: a it's a chemical called hyaluronic acid, and it's it's

533
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: a naturally occurring chemical in the body.

534
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 3: So it could be used medically.

535
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: It could be used for joints for arthritis, it could

536
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: be used for eye drops and all sorts of different things.

537
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: But also it's it's injected to women get it in

538
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: wo men do too, I guess, in their face to

539
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: fill up their face when they lose volume from aging.

540
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: And they decided that and that's what it is. FDA

541
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: approved for but now not for the penis. But someone

542
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: some almost a guinea pig, and said like, hey, let

543
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 1: me let me inject this in your penis and see

544
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: if it works.

545
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: And it did, and guess what lucrative industry.

546
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that this This one guy in the article said that

547
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: he makes over one million dollars a year just on this.

548
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 3: On the penis procedure.

549
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: And this one guy that they followed in this article,

550
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: so he was saying that it's really boosted his self

551
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 2: confidence in the bedroom and just in life.

552
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: So that's cool because when we think a filler, you know.

553
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: It's on people's faces. So most people are seeing that.

554
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: Most people are seeing penises, so it's.

555
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: If I am, I don't know what you're talking about.

556
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 3: Not as many people are seeing one of the time.

557
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I think it's cool if it really

558
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: gives you the boost you need in the bedroom and

559
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: maybe just in your life. One guy has gotten it

560
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: done twice and has spent twenty five thousand dollars and

561
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: he is extremely satisfied with the results.

562
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 3: So it's it's kind of awesome.

563
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: Because now, well it's like I might start doing this

564
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: actually these penis and.

565
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 3: I'm serious because they have done that. Yeah, but it's

566
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: it's just a good side job because I.

567
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: Get to touch a lot of penises, and and.

568
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: Also I know about it. I don't know. He's probably

569
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: right with it, all right, but anyway, Yeah, I don't know.

570
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 3: I just think that it's I just think that it's

571
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: it's kind of cool, and it's it's cool.

572
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: It's a cool job because then they have it's not

573
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: like a one and done. You have to come back

574
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: every eighteen months. That's what I'm saying. So if this

575
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: guy's spending twenty five grants, so he's spending like what

576
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen thousand dollars a pop, right, and he has

577
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: to come back every year and a half, it's like

578
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: he's never gonna go back to being normal again.

579
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: He's gonna that's like a lifelong customer, right, Yeah, I mean,

580
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 3: good for him.

581
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: All right, Let's talk about other death news.

582
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: Michigan is working to make necrophilia a felony because apparently

583
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: it's not. Why does anybody not know what negrophilia means?

584
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 3: All right? Having sex with dead people?

585
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: Okay, so currently there's no federal law banning necrophilia.

586
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: There was this case back in twenty twenty that there

587
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: was this guy named David Fuller who was at an

588
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: electrician at a British hospital and they used his DNA

589
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: to tie him too. They found lots of sexual images

590
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: on his computer and then they found out that he

591
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: was having sex with dead bodies because he videotaped it,

592
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: of course in the morgue of the two hospitals that

593
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: he worked at. And they found that he had sex

594
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: with over one hundred corpses over fifteen year span. And

595
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: we ree and I always talk about that, like, imagine

596
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: getting a call because they have to let the family

597
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: members know that this was happening, And imagine getting a

598
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: call that your seventy five year old mother somebody was

599
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: having sex with her on the morgue table. It's just

600
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: discussed and disturbing.

601
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've covered a lot of cases of this recently

602
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 2: and it's just one of those things I think everybody

603
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: would agree they'd rather just not know what happened, but

604
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: obviously the authorities have to alert you, and then you

605
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: know you've probably already gone through your grieving process and

606
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: then this absolutely ferrocious news.

607
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: I just have such a visual because I because of

608
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: the more it's just so dirty, Like why would you ever,

609
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just not you don't think of

610
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: like sexy time when you're in the morgue, ever, Like

611
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: it's not.

612
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: That the standards of somebody doing this, I don't think

613
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: the mor is dirty. So under the new proposed ban,

614
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: the act of necrophilia, including sexual penetration or sexual touching

615
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: of human remains, would be punishable by only fifteen years

616
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: in prison, and it would require the perpetrators to register

617
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: as sex offenders. So it's kind of moving its way

618
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: up right now. It still needs approval by the House

619
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: and the Senate and then it will require a signature

620
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: by Michigan's governor. But I would assume everybody would unanimously

621
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: aside for this.

622
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, registering for a sex offender really is

623
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: gonna like the person's dead, Like all right, this is

624
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: this is a good story. Let's talk about this one.

625
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: A woman called into an Australian morning show and revealed

626
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: that she casually ate some of her grandmother's ashes. So,

627
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: the woman said, after her grandmother was cremated, they were grieving.

628
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: So she quote, we went to mum's one night and

629
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: thought to cheer her up, let's eat nan. So she

630
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: puts nan in a bowl and just eats the ashes

631
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: out of a bowl. And then even worse, she whipped

632
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: them up into a pasta dish and gave them to

633
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: her unsuspecting brother and then told them afterwards, I grew

634
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: up everywhere.

635
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't understand this at all.

636
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: But I mean, when when you're cremated, you're.

637
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: You get burned at like two thousand degrees, so every

638
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: day it's not biohazard material at all.

639
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: It's just it's just weird.

640
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: And and ashes, correct, are not just like sand like they're

641
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: depicted on movies, right, They're like chunky and yeah, there's

642
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: there's chunks in it for sure.

643
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

644
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: So imagine just you know, making a nice pasta edition,

645
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: cooking it into your marriage.

646
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: And you could chew on it.

647
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: You know, when you eat a hard boiled egg and

648
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 1: like a piece of the shell gets in between your

649
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: teeth and it gives you that like gross feeling. It's

650
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: like there could be little chunks of bone in it.

651
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: I just I don't. I don't like this one. So

652
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: this is this is not this is actually not unusual.

653
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: There was an episode of My Strange addiction where the

654
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: woman was eating her husband.

655
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she was licking her finger, dipping it in

656
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: the urn and like snacking on it.

657
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: Disgusting.

658
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: But the thing I don't understand about that is like

659
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: is when you eat right, it just it turns into

660
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: poop and then you're just gonna poop out the ashes

661
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: like it Just what what kind of like way is

662
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: that to remember your family?

663
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: But she feels closer to Nan than ever Nancy in

664
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: the toilet. I don't understand. All right, this is our

665
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: last story. A year after the implosion of the submersible

666
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Speaker 2: visiting the Titanic wreckage, another billionaire has said he plans

667
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: on taking a new sub to prove that it's safe.

668
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: I think we cleared up. It's not safe because down there.

669
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: So Larry Connor plans to take the same journey in

670
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: a brand new, twenty million dollar two person submersible. While

671
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: he hasn't disclosed the exact timing of the expedition, he

672
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: assures the vessel is designed for repeat voyages to the

673
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Speaker 2: Titanic site.

674
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Speaker 3: How bad do we need to go there? I don't know.

675
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Speaker 1: I think some people are like, I mean it, it

676
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: is like one of the coolest stories.

677
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Speaker 2: Ever, I feel like you would join if you had

678
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: the opportunity, And it scares me.

679
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: If if I didn't have like little kid, like when

680
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: the kids are older, I would actually like when they're

681
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Speaker 1: over eighteen and I don't have to take care of

682
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Speaker 1: them anymore, I would do something like that.

683
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Speaker 3: It's it's really cool.

684
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Speaker 2: I guess.

685
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: But you know that this is going in. We you

686
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: know it. I understand.

687
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: Mariya is what we call a rule follower, and her

688
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: mother is the most opposite of a rule follower, So.

689
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Speaker 3: You really are So I don't know.

690
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: I just I feel like last year wasn't even bothered

691
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: by the voyage. I was bothered of all the people

692
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: the inconvenienced having to look for them afterwards. So I

693
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: just didn't really think that was right. But you know

694
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: this guy saying his vessel was conceptualized for over the

695
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 2: last decade and they had waited for the perfect combo

696
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: of materials, And I believe last time the materials were

697
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: the biggest issue because they just didn't test them at

698
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: all and they were just totally coming up there with

699
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Speaker 2: the research related to them.

700
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we wrote, we we have the website.

701
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: It's called the Gross room dot com if anybody's interested,

702
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: and we wrote we do these high profile death dissections

703
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: every week and also celebrity death dissections every week where

704
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: we really break down every single thing that happened in

705
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: all of these cases. And we found out when we

706
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: were researching for that that there was sixty five hundred

707
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: psi of water around this submersible thing. And I was

708
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: just so you could have an idea. I was asking

709
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: my husband because he's a firefighter, that he was saying

710
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: that around two hundred psi comes out of a fire hose,

711
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: And think about how hard when you look at how

712
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: fast the water's coming out and how hard it looks

713
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: that's two hundred and this is sixty five hundred. So

714
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: just imagine like how hard that is all that water

715
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: pushing on that thing. That's why it imploded like that.

716
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: You'd have to have a really strong material, you know.

717
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.

718
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: I mean I was really invested in that last year

719
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: when it was happening. So I will one hundred percent

720
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: be following this guy's journey. I'm curious just the difference

721
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: in the vessels and the materials and if they actually

722
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: do make it for time around, if it is going

723
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: to make it multiple times. Remember they were charging two

724
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars to go down for a person or something.

725
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: Is it just going to be for him? Or are

726
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 3: people you know, gonna try to get on there like you?

727
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: So?

728
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: All right?

729
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: So normally we do on an Instagram we put questions

730
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: every week we put a little question box on the

731
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: Instagram Mother Knows Death and we answer questions at the

732
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: end of every episode. But since you guys are all here,

733
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: we have actual humans we could talk to. If you

734
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: guys have any questions for us, we could answer.

735
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if yeah, you can hear me.

736
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 4: What is the coolest thing that you've seen in pathology

737
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: doing that as a career, like with your own eyes?

738
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I just like every day of my life.

739
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't pinpoint it. Can you be?

740
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: Do you want to be more specific as to like

741
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: this thing like farn't?

742
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, I've seen well.

743
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: One time I was doing an autopsy on someone and

744
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: that had a heart attack or something, and then I

745
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: was when I was taking out their kidney. It was

746
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: very weird and I didn't it wasn't the normal way

747
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: I would take out the kidney and they had a

748
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: congenital condition called a horseshoe kidney when both of the

749
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: kidneys refused. It happens when when you're in a fetus developing.

750
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 3: But that was super cool.

751
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 1: I always like finding congenital freak anomaly things. They're always fun.

752
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: And just in.

753
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: Surgical pathology, we've just got crazy things. A lot of

754
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: accidents were really crazy, just because I worked at a

755
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: trauma center for a long time, so we would see

756
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: like really outrageous accidents from the we lived near in

757
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: Philadelphia's near Amish Country, so we would get like two

758
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: arms from someone that got their hand called there are

759
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: hands caught in like a piece of farm equipment, and

760
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: just like so crazy to just have a cart come

761
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: down to the to the lab that has two human

762
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: because because limbs are so human looking, you know, it's

763
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: not like just the glob of fat or something. It's

764
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: like two arms. Just thinking like, oh my god, how

765
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: did that person just go through that. Lots of weird

766
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: stuff that people swallow, people stick up their butts, they're

767
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: the best ones gotten. Like my favorite wrecked off farmbody

768
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: ever is a half eatn pair that was that was

769
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: just like on the you know, and of course, like

770
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: I have to go in the operating note because I'm like,

771
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: I need to see because in pathology we get this

772
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: specimen and a lot of times it just says the

773
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: person's name and their day of birth and stuff, but

774
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't give us any information at all, and I'm like,

775
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: I need more information for this, Like what happened? How

776
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: did a pair that has a big chewe mark in

777
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: it gets stuck in this guy's butt? In a guy's butt,

778
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: always a guy's butt. Sometimes you well, it's because they

779
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: have a problem. I mean, it makes sense because they

780
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: have a prostate like a girl. Like the girl's not

781
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: going to get off like a like a man would

782
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: with that.

783
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes you guys get like shampoo bottles too, though.

784
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: I always say I fell on it.

785
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I don't get because I don't work

786
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: in the er, so that would be something you would

787
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: talk to a nurse about. Like I just get the

788
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: thing covered in poop that they pulled out of the

789
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: guy's butt in a in a cup or something like that.

790
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, those those things are like like a dime

791
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: a dozen. The shampoo bottles, you know which one I've

792
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: gotten a couple of times. You know this like aerosol

793
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: can of Dove deodorant. It's like it must be the

794
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: shape that's.

795
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: Like very attractive or something.

796
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: The very first one I ever got was a travel

797
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: toothbrusholder and it was from I'm a guy that was

798
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: seventy eight. And I remember going up to the pathologists

799
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: because this is when I was like a kid, and

800
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: I was like, why would this guy do this?

801
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: And he's like, oh, Nicole, you need that. I was

802
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: very naive, so but but now it's like.

803
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of interesting things. All right.

804
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 3: We have another question.

805
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 5: Hello, Hi, I am wondering if somebody that you knew

806
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 5: showed up on your autopsy table, is there a protocol

807
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 5: for that or would you just go ahead and do

808
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 5: it and keep it to yourself or how would you

809
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 5: handle that.

810
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: I've had that happen twice, kind of well. One person

811
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: was somebody that my sister used to work with, so like,

812
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: I technically didn't know them, so I did that one.

813
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: I didn't care about that because I don't know the person.

814
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: The other time was one of my best friends died

815
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: actually right after she gave birth. It was terrible, and

816
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: then her husband ended up hiring a private pathologist to

817
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: do the autopsy, because just FYI, if you ever have

818
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: someone die in a tragic way in a hospital, don't

819
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: like let that hospital do the autopsy. Just get someone

820
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: else to do it, because it's just better if you're

821
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: planning on sewing or anything like that. So he her

822
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: husband hired a private pathologist, and it just so happened

823
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: to be the guy that I worked for, and her

824
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: autopsy was going to get done at my hospital. So

825
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: I just I didn't go to work that day, but

826
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Speaker 1: there were like pieces of her lungs and stuff in.

827
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Speaker 2: My freezer, which was fucking weird.

828
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to look at it, you know,

829
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: But I personally wouldn't do it. But I know, like

830
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: at the Philly Emmy's office, for example, they get you know,

831
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: they get so many bodies every day, and you work

832
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: in the city, and if you die in Philly, you

833
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: go to the morgue there, And I know they've done

834
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: They've had cases where they know people that are there,

835
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: even if it's just an acquaintance or whatever. But usually

836
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: if it's a friend or a family member, like you

837
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: don't ever want to do that on them.

838
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: Next question, I'm just curious to know, how did you

839
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 4: go about working as a pathology assistant to starting your

840
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 4: the gross room and the dura matter.

841
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Speaker 3: I follow it, love it, Oh, thank you well it

842
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,479
Speaker 3: kind of I didn't try like to do this. It's

843
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: just like kind of evolved naturally.

844
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: But I when I was at PA, so I went

845
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Speaker 1: to PA school full time and I worked full time,

846
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: and I had her. I was a single mom. So

847
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: when I finished PA school, I was really bored because

848
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: I was used to leaving the house at seven in

849
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: the morning and staying up until midnight, and all of

850
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: a sudden, I had all this free time. So I

851
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: decided that when I did autopsies, I was going to

852
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: go home and write about what I saw because I

853
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: thought it was really cool. And I started a blog

854
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: and everything, and it just like I felt like it

855
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: was really cool and I wanted people to read it,

856
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: but nobody read it because it was like a blog.

857
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 3: Nobody knew about it.

858
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: So then my husband, who I was dating for years

859
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: because he took forever to marry me, he was my

860
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: boyfriend at the time, he said, you know, why don't

861
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: you start posting these pictures that you're putting on your

862
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: blog and just writing a little bit of a shorter

863
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: thing and put it on Instagram because he at the

864
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: time had he was a pretty big instagrammer with his photography.

865
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, and Maria was like eighteen

866
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: at the time, and I was like, what's Instagram? Like,

867
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm not a social media person, so I didn't know

868
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: what it was. I didn't know how to do it.

869
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: So Maria was like, oh, you just do this and

870
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: you do these hashtags because I had like a millennial

871
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: living in my house. So and and then after I

872
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: posted for I swear in like this is when Instagram

873
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: was actually good.

874
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 3: But cause that was that was like what twenty thirteen, yeah,

875
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: it was. It was a while ago. Yeah, So.

876
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: Within within like a couple of weeks, I had ten

877
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: thousand follower It was just crazy and I didn't I

878
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: didn't think it was gonna blow up like that.

879
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 3: And then all these.

880
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: Like crazy people like Alice Cooper gave me a shout out.

881
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: It was insane.

882
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: I was just like what and George Takai and like

883
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: all these like I just would wake up and I

884
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: would have like fifty thousand followers. It was just like

885
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: the craziest thing ever. And then people started writing terrible

886
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: articles about me, and but then I got more followers.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't I didn't really try. I was just

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00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: like kind of a hobby I just liked to do.

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00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: And then I was like, wait, I don't have to

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00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: go to work like like as much anymore. Like I could,

891
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: I could try to do this as a job because

892
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: I like educating and I love everything about being a PA.

893
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: But for working in the hospital for me was just

894
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: kind of difficult because I, like, I don't follow rules

895
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: and I don't like to have a boss.

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00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: So that was because some times I try to be

897
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: your boss, you shut it down really quick.

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00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: Please, she's the boss, trust me. But yeah, so that's

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Speaker 1: that's how that's how I got into it. I never

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00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: I didn't really like sit down one day and say, oh,

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00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this. It just kind of naturally evolved.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you started the grocery room in late

903
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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and that was I started the grocer room

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Speaker 1: because Instagram doesn't show my stuff anymore and they cover

906
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: everything I have. Like now they're telling me they don't

907
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: show my account to anyone that doesn't follow me because

908
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: every one of my posts.

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00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: It's kind of funny. Actually, if you.

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00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: Look through it, they're all labeled as graphic violence, like

911
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: a uterus.

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00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: It's just more like simple breast cancer aware. Everything is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm just so I started the Gross Room

914
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: so I could kind of pull some people from Instagram

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00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: and hopefully just teach more. But it's cool because now

916
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Speaker 1: I get I don't have any limitations because with Instagram

917
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: you couldn't show breast pathology, penis pathology, vaginal pathology, ainal pathology.

918
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: There's all these things. You can't talk about suicide anymore,

919
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: you can't talk about murder anymore.

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00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: No, but yeah, are the Gross Room is the most

921
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 2: amazing community of people too, because you know, with anything

922
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Speaker 2: you're trying to do, you could be the most angelic

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00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: person in the world.

924
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 3: Someone's gonna hate on you. So it's nice because.

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Speaker 2: You know, everybody's really friendly in there. It's mostly medical

926
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: professional minimal haters. So it's mostly medical people, or it's

927
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Speaker 2: people like me that just want to read about celebrity stuff.

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00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: But then I scroll through the pictures really fast. They

929
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 3: don't look at them all the time, but I want

930
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: to read all about it and know the intimate details.

931
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: And when Bob Saggat had died.

932
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: Everybody was assuming he had been murdered because of how

933
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: weird the case was, but you.

934
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: Kind of proved that it was a pretty common fall.

935
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but everybody wants to make something that it's not

936
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: all Yeah, and at he just covered Jeffrey epscene recently too,

937
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: and that was just going through those case files is crazy, man,

938
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: because it's so much information.

939
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: But I think you had a really unique perspective on it.

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00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: And there's just.

941
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Speaker 2: Some cases like that where I think with your medical

942
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: background you can look at other similar cases and kind

943
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: of be like, stop trying to sensationalize this.

944
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: It's pretty straightforward.

945
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I really like reading the autopsy reports

946
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: and stuff. It's cool, and I try not to let

947
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: the outside noise of what everybody's saying. I just like

948
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: look at it and I'm like, Okay, if I was

949
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: looking at this, I mean, that's the point of the

950
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: autopsy report is, so it's a picture for the person

951
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: who's reading it of like what the pathol just saw.

952
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: But there could be a lot of interpretation because like,

953
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: just because people are doctors, it doesn't mean they're good.

954
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you do really well with that, you know,

955
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: when you wrote your book two years ago, and we've

956
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: talked about the Bad Surgeon documentary on Netflix this week.

957
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: There's a lot of malpractice going on.

958
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 2: And with the books she wrote, everybody submitted their own

959
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: case and told us their story, and we just could

960
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 2: not believe the amount of just people going to the

961
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: doctor and being like, something is wrong with me, and

962
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,479
Speaker 2: they're like, no, you're fine, you're fine, you're fine, you're fine,

963
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: and now they've died, and it's horrible. It's really terrible

964
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: to think about. So I think it's cool that people

965
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: tell their stories and are really open about it and

966
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: you can kind of take a deeper look into it

967
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, it's awesome.

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00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you guys so much. Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 3: This is the first live show and last.

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Speaker 2: Please make sure to follow us at Mother Knows Down

973
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: on Instagram or at missus Underscore and Jemmy. We appreciate

974
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: everybody coming here today. Thank you so much for Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,

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Speaker 1: my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a

978
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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Speaker 1: I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed

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00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

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00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

982
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based

983
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: on my experience working in pathology, so they can make

984
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

985
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: that science is changing every day and the opinions expressed

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00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: in this episode are based on my knowledge of those

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00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: subjects at the time of publication. If you are having

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Speaker 1: a medical problem, have a medical question, or having a

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00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: medical emergency, please contact your physician or visit an urgent

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00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: care center, emergency room.

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Speaker 3: Or hospital.

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Speaker 2: Thanks