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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Official Jets podcast, the

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Speaker 1: Draft Pick Profile series presented by Verizon. Continuing on here,

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Speaker 1: Ethan Greenberg Eric Allen breaking down the second Jets fourth

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Speaker 1: round picked James Morgan, quarterback out of F I, U

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Speaker 1: and E A. This pick one. It originally belonged to

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. The Jets had three picks in nine selections,

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Speaker 1: one of course, is the middle pick there. And I

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Speaker 1: think that at the time in which James Morgan was selected,

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Speaker 1: this was probably the most surprising pick in the eyes

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Speaker 1: of Jets fans, because I don't think a lot of

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Speaker 1: fans thought that the Jets would add a signal caller

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Speaker 1: at this point in the draft. I'd agree with that,

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Speaker 1: but you go back to Ron wolf AND's old philosophy

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Speaker 1: of getting a quarterback into the mix every time out.

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Speaker 1: And when you look at the Jets roster they had

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Speaker 1: entering the draft, just David Fells and Mike White behind

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald, James Morrigan is a big kid with a

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Speaker 1: strong arm whose intangibles were off the charts. And also

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Speaker 1: he's a guy who you're not thinking of in terms

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Speaker 1: of while we're looking at a guy in the fourth

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Speaker 1: round is gonna come in here to the Jets and

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Speaker 1: compete for a starting position. Oh no, no, no, I

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Speaker 1: mean you have your starting franchise signal caller and Sam Donald,

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Speaker 1: who by the way, is younger than they four mentioned

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Speaker 1: James Morrigan. But it's always good to have a developmental

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Speaker 1: prospect in the house. And we'll talk about it later.

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Speaker 1: Does he start out as a third quarterback? Does he

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Speaker 1: have the potential to be a number two at what point?

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Speaker 1: But also, I don't think you take a guy in

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Speaker 1: the fourth round unless you feel that this is a

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Speaker 1: guy who down the line, he has start type of qualities.

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Speaker 1: And again, you can never have too many good quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. And they loved the interview they had

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Speaker 1: with them talking football, so they were thinking, not just

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Speaker 1: get a developmental prospect in the house, but also he

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Speaker 1: can add to the quarterback room. He can help Sam

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Speaker 1: Donald out on Sundays. Well, let's hear from Joe Douglas

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Speaker 1: and his staff, Rex Hogan and Phil Savage and what

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Speaker 1: they thought about James Morgan and why he's a good

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Speaker 1: fit for the Jets. Outstanding leadership qualities, big arm, big kid,

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Speaker 1: highly productive, very intelligent. He just wowed us with his

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Speaker 1: combine interview, just an extremely intelligent, football smart young man

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Speaker 1: who's got a lot of physical tools. When we're talking

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Speaker 1: about him talking about the quarterback position and how important

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Speaker 1: that position is moving forward and making sure we have

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Speaker 1: depth there and all over the roster, it was just

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Speaker 1: a unique opportunity for us to get someone at a

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Speaker 1: very premium position to really develop and work with. Behind

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Speaker 1: sam prototypical skill set in terms of being a six

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Speaker 1: the pocket. His intangibles are extremely high. He's extremely intelligent

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Speaker 1: and bright. He basically blew us away in the interview

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Speaker 1: at the combine in terms of his understanding of his

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Speaker 1: terms of how he's going to make the transition of

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Speaker 1: the NFL with his acumen of football at the college

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Speaker 1: level and what he sees in terms of pro style

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Speaker 1: system for the NFL. He's been in Butch Davis's system

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Speaker 1: that obviously, and is a bit ability to articulate his

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Speaker 1: then it'll accelerate from there because of his football knowledge

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Speaker 1: in the background that he has. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: james status with us really grew from the time we

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Speaker 1: saw him at the East West Shrine game and then

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Speaker 1: once we interviewed him at the Combine. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is this is a twenty three year old quarterback who's

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Speaker 1: some of our people. He's the sim card for Sam Donald.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be unbelievable in the classroom with the film projects,

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Speaker 1: James Morgan the sim card for Sam Donald. This is

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Speaker 1: a guy that has the physical tools that you want

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Speaker 1: and that's what Phil Savage talked about. Joe Douglas, hand

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Speaker 1: Rex Hogan, they all mentioned his Combine interview. He really

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Speaker 1: how that translates to the pro level. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's really what the Jets were hoping for. And James

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you make this pick with the thought process

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Speaker 1: of embracing Sam Donald. And we're always focused on the

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Speaker 1: Robby Anderson goes to Carolina and the Jets counter whippershot Perryman,

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Speaker 1: and then they draft Denzel Mimms and that lately we've

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Speaker 1: seen it at the running back position, that Levian Bell

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Speaker 1: there were question marks behind the unquestioned number one back

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Speaker 1: then he come back with Frank Gore, the third all

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Speaker 1: all pieces that are gonna help Sam Donald. But you

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Speaker 1: gotta make the argument here too, is the Jets love

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Speaker 1: this kid's brain. He's going to be able to help

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald. When they're watching film, they can bounce things

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Speaker 1: The other thing is, and I think I tweeted this

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Speaker 1: this guy was a very impressive manager who has a

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Speaker 1: Let's dive into his background a little bit. He's from

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Speaker 1: And I don't remember his name off the top of

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Speaker 1: far fan. He wore number four growing up. He goes

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Speaker 1: But the other thing that I think stands out to

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Speaker 1: all passing categories. Yeah, it is what last year he

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Speaker 1: Despite playing just a couple of years, he had five

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Speaker 1: at some of the highlights cut ups that I see,

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of throws there where he's looking

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Speaker 1: very big quarterback. He's six four nine pounds. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: And I think that this is an interesting pick for

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Speaker 1: Trevor Simeon was the guy. He lasted like a quarter

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Speaker 1: to keep this cross sport analysis going here. So I

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Speaker 1: like what Phil Savage said about this. He was a guy,

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Speaker 1: meaning Jane Horgan, was a guy that the coaching staff

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Speaker 1: if and when that comes around. A couple of things

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Speaker 1: So I think where the Jets thinking quarterback all along,

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Speaker 1: maybe at some point that draft, but they had conviction

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Speaker 1: and Morgan or else they don't make that call at one.

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Speaker 1: thought that was relatively early. I think the Jets probably

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Speaker 1: thought they could add to their quarterback room, but they

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Speaker 1: specifically targeted this guy heading into the draft. There's no

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Speaker 1: Joe dougas very impressed with this guy. Adam Gaze was

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