1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our superproducer 7 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Here in the United States, 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: over three hundred something million people are hurtling toward the 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: one holiday where they have to hang out with their family, Thanksgiving, 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: and so some people love it. Some people, uh just 13 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: see it as another you know, ploy from the big 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: turkey marketing industry, and and some people say thinks that 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: it's just the one day a year. Also depends on 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: the family, and some people probably have lovely families that 17 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: don't get into knockdown, drag out fights over politics over 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving dinner. But the rest of us, this is the 19 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: time we have to kind of like really hold our 20 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: tongues and like contend with uh, you know, folks that 21 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: we don't usually spend time with my choice. It's a 22 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: really good time to listen though, And that's a really 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: good point. What a love what a lovely counterpoint that is. 24 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: That is very true. That is very true. Listening is 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: such a rare and extraordinary skill these days. You know, 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: it's it's um unfortunately common for a lot of people, 27 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists included, to realize that you've been talking 28 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: with someone who's just waiting for their turn to talk. 29 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: And uh, a little bit of active listening could go 30 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: a long way in this divided and powerful and dangerous country. 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: But before we do that as a country, folks, Uh, 32 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to figure out what's going on in 33 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 1: various security cameras. We're gonna have to figure out who 34 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: owns the phrase white lives matter, And for God's sake, 35 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: we're going to have to make things right with the 36 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: National Parks of the US who have a very specific request, 37 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: which will we'll get to at the end here, but uh, 38 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: maybe we start. You know, I I don't love deification 39 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: of celebrities, but we I think we all agree. This 40 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: is an important update. As everyone knows, the three of 41 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: us are big fans of hip hop music in general, 42 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: hip hop in particular, and there is guys, objectively an 43 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: amazing artist, but has become unfortunately more known for his 44 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: controversial stances and as hot takes in the zeit guys, 45 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about none other than y Uh formerly known 46 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: as Kanye West and Old. There's something that really stood 47 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: out to you about one of the more recent controversies 48 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: involving this celebrity musician. Well, it's kind of the thing 49 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: that kicked off the moment we're having with Kanye right 50 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: now or with excuse me Yer, we're having right now 51 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: where he has just doubled down, tripled down, quadrupled down 52 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: on his problematic views. Uh. Matt and I went Ben 53 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: when you were on Adventures discussed this and it was 54 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: an interesting conversation because Matt was kind of unaware of 55 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff and I was kind of 56 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: unaware of the story map brought to the table. So 57 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: it was a good example of active listening, like you 58 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: just mentioned, Ben, and I think it ended up being 59 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: a very interesting conversation. But the thing that kicked off 60 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: Kanye is kind of just spiral public spiral was his 61 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: choice to wear It's a certain T shirt to Paris 62 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: Fashion Week, which we know is a big thing, you 63 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: know among influencers and fashionistas and what have you, designers 64 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: and all of that. It's a big, big moment. It's 65 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: sort of like the can Film Festival of Fashion and 66 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: Yea showed up to this thing wearing a T shirt 67 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: with a very specific uh mantra, let's call it on it, 68 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: white Lives Matter. Okay. So on the segment Matt and 69 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: I had, we talked about how there's certainly a possibility 70 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: that some of these things Kanye is doing this sort 71 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: of fits in with his iconoclastic, punk rock kind of status, 72 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 1: very Andy Kaufman esque, Like, am I just trying to troll? 73 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: Am I just like, you know, making people listen because 74 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying potentially problematic things, but also maybe I'm co 75 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: opting it in some way. So like if you if 76 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: you really looked at it on the surface and you 77 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: see him wearing a white Lives Matter shirt, you might 78 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: be like, Okay, this is an interesting artist. Maybe he's 79 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: got some you know, thing going on beneath the surface 80 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: where it's like I'm co opting this phrase and I'm 81 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: going to turn it into a thing that is interesting 82 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: and potentially positive. Maybe I don't know, well, that's game 83 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: just using the phrase to throw it back in somebody's 84 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: face in the right, especially as a prominent black artist, 85 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, with a big platform and megaphone, he would 86 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: be in the perfect position to do exactly what you 87 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: just said, Matt and throw that back in the face 88 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: of the people that actually mean what that sentiment is describing. 89 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: Because we know Black Lives Matter as a movement, uh 90 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: arose because of real problems with the police and the 91 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: way black people are treated and and killed often by 92 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: the police. So Black Lives Matter really was a movement 93 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: with the same energy as say, like an occupy Wall Street, 94 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: and it really just became a thing. And there was 95 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: sort of like a you know tipping point, like a 96 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: high water mark moment during the Trump administration where some 97 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: of these protests were tear gas and you know, really 98 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: treated in a way that you would be used to seeing, um, 99 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: fascist totalitarian dictatorships treat uprisings or like you know, people 100 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: with unpopular opinions. Um. That happened, and it has become 101 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: very entrenched and kind of the zeitgeist. Black Lives Matter 102 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: is important. I'm gonna I don't think it's a hot 103 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: take to say that's the thing. But Kanye very actively 104 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: chose to to promote this concept of white lives matter. 105 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: We've seen previous to that blue lives Matter, which is 106 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: sort of like putting the police at the center of 107 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: this discussion, which is missing the point entirely. I would argue, 108 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: you know, to say blue okay, sure, yes, we don't 109 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: want our family who are police to be killed, but 110 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: that's not the point. Police aren't getting killed. It's black 111 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: people that are getting killed. So to come out and 112 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: say blue lives matter is kind of sticking your finger 113 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: in the eye of Black lives matter and what it 114 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: stands for. So white lives matter. Kanye comes out with 115 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: his T shirt at Paris Fashion Week, and it's sort 116 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: of triggers the ultimate moment we're having with Kanye, as 117 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: I said, where he has doubled down on some very 118 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: anti semitic remarks. Uh, he is good buddies with Candice Owens, 119 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: who is a particularly problematic media figure who you know, 120 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: finance the documentary that posits that George Floyd was not 121 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: killed by police as we all witnessed on video, the 122 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: most upsetting video I think I've ever seen, um, but 123 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: in fact by a drug overdose caused by fentanyl. So that's, like, 124 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, an example of trying to divert the narrative 125 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: away from police of the problem to black people and 126 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: their drug addiction are the problem. And for someone like Kanye, 127 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: who is such an important figure in the black community 128 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: and in pop culture, two take on that narrative is 129 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: is difficult. It's hard to understand. It's hard to take 130 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: because we all saw the video and it feels like 131 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: this is a man who has been kind of co 132 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: opted by bad actors. Um. Again, on the segment on 133 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: a Strange News, we talked about how this is a 134 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: person who has clearly struggled with some mental health issues 135 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: and I feel as though he has been taken advantage 136 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: of by outside forces. Um. But that's conversation for the 137 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: other day. Um. But here's the kicker. I think we're 138 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: all fans of a good troll, of a of a good, 139 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: uh positive interesting troll. And it turns out that the 140 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: trademark to the phrase white Lives Matter was actually gifted 141 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: to the hosts of a radio show called Civic Cipher 142 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: Um and as of October, the host Ramsey's Jaw and 143 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: Quentin Ward, who are two black activists own officially the 144 00:08:55,200 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: trademark for White Lives Matter, which means that Kanye can't 145 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: legally put this out in some sort of fashion brand 146 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: way or in some sort of money making way, because 147 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: they could live legitimately sue him. Also context I think 148 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: important here, Right, they got the trademark as a kind 149 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: of protest and responsibility right to cut off potential profits 150 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: from this concept. I believe it was even beyond Kanye's actions. 151 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: It was it was like in advance of that. Yeah, yeah, 152 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: it was yeah, And and and they were They didn't buy it. 153 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: They were gifted it by some savvy you know, patent 154 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: ConTroll the good kind. I guess that like bought it 155 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: and then gifted it to them. Sorry, Matt, you had 156 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: something to say. I was just thinking if you could 157 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: somehow keep the profits somewhere and just have them donated 158 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: automatically to some cause, that would be pretty awesome, would yeah? 159 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: Just keep That would also require you to give it 160 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: to folks that were using it with ill intent, so 161 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: you could argue it would generate money that could be 162 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: used for positive gain. But is that a zero sum 163 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: game if it's being used to spread a very negative message. 164 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, well, it depends on how much they're 165 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: charging for usage. Also, uh, shout out to the anonymous 166 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: owner of that trademark, right. I don't think they've been 167 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: publicly identified, and I don't think Civic Cipher uh is 168 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: going to make any moves to Uh. They just said 169 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: everybody involved primarily wanted to make sure that folks weren't 170 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: making profit off supremacist speech, which overall is a good thing. Um, 171 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: And you're correct to the hosts of not for good 172 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: reason not identified the person that gifted them this trademark, 173 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: which is really fascinating because, first of all, in this 174 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: culture of like people buying domain names and treating it 175 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: as currency where you can like sell a domain name 176 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: if you like think of something in advance and then 177 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: the thing happens, you can and like sell it for 178 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: quite a lot of money. Let's say a brand has 179 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: a oh crack idea, Um, we need to get our domain. 180 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: Oh no, somebody else owns it. They look it up 181 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: on go Daddy or whatever, and it's like, yeah, this 182 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: domain is available for dollars or whatever it might be. 183 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: This is a practice, is a money making practice, or 184 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: like the guy who bought websites like There were a 185 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: lot of earlier adopters who did things like bought sting 186 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: dot com, knowing that one day the artist sting u 187 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: would catch up to the Internet, would find out and 188 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: find out about it, and then would be forced to 189 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: pay essentially a ransom for that. But this, this seems 190 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: like it's for a good cause. And as you were saying, 191 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: the rubber hits the road legally here, right, it does. Um, 192 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: So what I've described at this point, we've discussed. It's 193 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: kind of the first part of the story. The update 194 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: is that the two men who owned this trademark um 195 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 1: White Lives Matter, are now saying they will sell it 196 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: for a billion dollars to who, to whomever. But essentially 197 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: they're saying they won't entertain any offer that's under a 198 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: billion dollars. So it doesn't necessarily mean they'll sell it 199 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: to you if you have the money. It means they 200 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: won't even like entertain the idea of selling it to 201 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: you unless you have a billion dollars on the table. 202 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: And I don't care how much money is gonna be 203 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: made from this trademark. A billion dollars a lot of money. Yeah, 204 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: it's a shame they didn't catch Elon Musk right before 205 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: he bought the bird, because that's somebody who would be 206 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: able to afford to do that. Well, I mean, he 207 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: did just sell four billion in Twitter stock, so theoretically 208 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: Ellen could afford it. Oh yeah, yeah, although Kanye can 209 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: no longer afford it. Yeah, he's only worth four mill now. Um. 210 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: But again, this is such an interesting chess move because 211 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: to our earlier point, this is a clear protest move. 212 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: They're not gonna sell it to anybody, but they're titilating, 213 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, potential would be buyers by saying, well, if 214 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: you have a billion dollars, how much is this really 215 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: worth to you? How much is this kind of nasty, um, 216 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: very divisive sentiment worth to you to be able to 217 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, monetize. Probably not a billion dollars, no exactly. 218 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: I think that's probably the number that came up with 219 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: because it was like too much for pretty much anybody, 220 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: and also they know Kanye doesn't have a billion dollars anymore. Um. 221 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: But I think it's really interesting and it's a good 222 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: example of civic kind of trolling where whoever bought this 223 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: and had the foresight to buy this, why wouldn't you, right, 224 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: he got black lives matter. White lives matter is the 225 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: antithesis to that. How did no like white supremacist group 226 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: buy up that? No web master for like, you know, 227 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: white supremacist groups didn't think of that earlier. I think 228 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: that's very interesting. I'm gonna be honest. White supremacy, the 229 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: general concept of it would be uh more believable to 230 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: some people if a race was not a social construct, 231 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: and be the folks who were saying they were supreme looked, 232 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: you know, even slightly above a which they just just 233 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. I'm just not surprised. I'm with you. 234 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm totally with you. So they say, we're trying 235 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: to navigate the best way to have something good come 236 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: of this. So they're treating this as a I don't know, 237 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: you can call it like a performed performance art peace 238 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: in a weird way, you really could. You could treat 239 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: it as a form of civic engagement because they're calling 240 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: attention to, well, who's going to be the one that's 241 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: going to spend a billion dollars on what is essentially 242 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: hate speech? Because that calls attention to your your whole 243 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, ethos, your whole ideology right, um, Otherwise you 244 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: can do it kind of subtly, but if you spend 245 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: a billion dollars on it, that's really putting your money 246 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: where your mouth is and identifying who the bad guys 247 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: really are kind of you know, I don't know. I 248 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: think it's fascinating. This is a show that applies critical thought, 249 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: and as such, this is a show that should applaud 250 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: the actions of Ramsey's Jaw and Quentin Ward. That's the 251 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: way to handle it, because they are they are clowning 252 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: as well as educating. And you know, imagine a world where, um, 253 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: the supremacist statements like this are normalized and lauded, not 254 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: just profited off of, but expected. Right. That kind of 255 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: world is very close to the horrors of World War two, 256 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, or the horrors of the Rwandan genocide, when 257 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: racial epithets were thrown around on radio until it directly 258 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: lead to horrific things. So I think you know, guys, 259 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: if you're listening over there from Civic Cipher, well done, 260 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: great work, keep on keeping on and as a matter 261 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: of fact, don't sell it, you know what I mean. 262 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: Somebody comes to you with a billion dollars, they're unhinged. 263 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: Don't do it. Definitely don't do it. Okay, So let's 264 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: take a quick pause, have a word from our sponsor, 265 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: and then we'll be back with more strange news. And 266 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: we're back. And as we stated, we're coming up towards 267 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: some holiday seasons. There's also a bunch of things happening 268 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: in the world, very serious stuff happening in the world 269 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: right now as we record this. As we mentioned, the 270 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: mid term elections are occurring. Their votes are being counted 271 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: right now as we're here talking to you. Also, the 272 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: COP twenty seven is happening. The United Nations Climate Change Conference, uh, 273 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons treaties are being discussed, and Australia, by the way, 274 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: is being told not to sign by the US were 275 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: on the nuclear weapons treaty. They're also not allowing retired 276 00:16:54,600 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: Australian pilots to work for Chinese companies anymore. Right, interesting stuff. Oh, 277 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: the world is just it seems a little scary sway 278 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: over Australia. Five eyes. Yeah, this is the old five 279 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: guys joke. We're not gonna make it again, but yes, 280 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: the five eyes the nuclear umbrella, if you will. That's 281 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: the main reason the US is saying Hey, Australia, don't 282 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: sign that, or your nuclear umbrella isn't gonna prevent fallout 283 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: rain anymore. I guess. Um. Well, so I was gonna 284 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: do a story instead about this energy company out of 285 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: the UK that's figured out a way to make a 286 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: new kind of fusion energy. It seems super promising. It's 287 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: literally a fusion gun. Look into it if you get 288 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: a chance. The only problem is the tech is pretty 289 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: far away from being ready to actually generate power for 290 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: a city. But the CEO did say a single firing 291 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: of this gun could power a single family home for 292 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: two years. You have enough energy to run home for 293 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: two years. Could be incredible, could be nothing. And all 294 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: of that combined is why today instead we're going to 295 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: talk about ghosts, maybe haunting something something like that. So 296 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: we're gonna jump to a story that's coming to us 297 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: from Fox News. Oh yeah, well, at least that's the 298 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: first place that I found it. It was also in Newsweek, 299 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: It was also in the Mirror, dot co, dot UK. Uh. 300 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: Fox News was the one site that had images that 301 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: I could then take and manipulate for the purposes of 302 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: this episode. So there's a Pennsylvania mother who got very 303 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: terrified when she saw something in her indoors security camera footage. Now, 304 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: before you even get into the story, let's talk about that. Uh, 305 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: having security cameras inside your home makes sense for you know, 306 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: there are many reasons that you might want something like that. 307 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: For for me, I would never want something like that. 308 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: But you know, having that is gonna assure that you 309 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: know what's going on inside your house at all times 310 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: in specific places. Well, this mother had one right by 311 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: the stairs heading down into the kitchen area of her home, 312 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: and she was awoken in the middle of the night 313 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: she heard some very loud footsteps in her home. She 314 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: checked the cameras that are pointed in the direction of 315 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: where she heard those steps, and she saw something. And 316 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: we've got an image of it. Guys, I'm gonna share 317 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: it with you right now. I've got a couple of 318 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: different images that we're gonna look at really quick together. Okay, 319 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: so this is the original image, guys, would you mind 320 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: describing it for everyone? Sure? This looks like kind of 321 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: a night vision image of a let's see, gray green 322 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: scale thing humanoid right, appearing to have longer hair, perhaps 323 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: holding some coutrement with a humanoid, but claude left hand, 324 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,239 Speaker 1: uh walking up a banister in a doorway going up 325 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: from stairs. Yeah, small and stature, I would say, given 326 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: the scale um sort of childlike hollowed eyes. And you're 327 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 1: right to your point about the accoutreman then sort of 328 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: looks like they're like selling hot dogs at a baseball game. 329 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: Like they're like they gotta they got like a weird 330 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: thing strapped to them. Kind of, it's like it's very 331 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: or like an organ grinder or something. It's very odd. 332 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: In different light, this would look like a trick or 333 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: treater correct different light on a different night. I do agree. 334 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: I agree with that assessment in the way you guys 335 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: describe it. But in the end, this is super grainy 336 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: black and white or at least monochromatic footage that we're seeing. 337 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: It's I don't know, cloudy is a good way to 338 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: describe the image. It's almost as though describing what we're 339 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: describing is what we make it out to be, right, 340 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: because there's very little sharp lines or anything. So I 341 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: took this original image, popped it into Photoshop and manipulated 342 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: the contrast a little bit too, then share with you 343 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: guys again to look at it. To see if we 344 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: see if anything else gets pulled out of it. Right, 345 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: I'm really glad you did this, Matt. Yeah, could you 346 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: describe for the audience what you've done here? All I 347 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: did was increase the exposure a bit, so the image 348 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: got brighter overall, and then I turned the levels that 349 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: are darker, the black levels down. Um. And so you 350 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: just do you see more a little more detail, although 351 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: it is still kind of crunching the data that's in 352 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: that image, so it looks a little different, but you 353 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: get you get more detail, right, I mean, I still 354 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: looks like they're holding a machine or something or some 355 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: kind of device. What do you what do you see 356 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: that I want to know? Like, I mean, you've spent 357 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: more time with this, Like, what doesn't it feel like 358 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: they're holding something? It does? It feels like they're holding something. 359 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time figuring out if they're oriented 360 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: standing straight ahead, like as both feet are planted, because 361 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: it looks like one leg is planted on the ground 362 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: to me, to my eyes, um, but then you see 363 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: the banister to the left, so the other leg would 364 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: either be right next to the one leg that we 365 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: can see or in the black space to the right exactly. 366 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: The only thing you can clearly make out is that 367 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: there's a doorway that is rectangular and that banister that 368 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: is going down. Now, is there any uh, this is 369 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: something I think a lot of our Fallow listeners want 370 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: to hear. Is there is there any video footage that 371 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: has been published or is it simply the stills. I 372 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: have not seen any actual video footage of this occurrence. 373 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I wish I had. I just I haven't 374 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: seen anything. I want to show you this last one. 375 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: This is when I took the contrast just to the 376 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: nth degree to show the face. Just look at the 377 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: face in this one. It's demonic. It's no. I think 378 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: you're right. It looks like otherworldly to me, or a 379 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: Halloween mask. It looks like a Halloween mask. Initially stated 380 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: like something I've seen before. Uh, let's get back to 381 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: what happened after this was caught on the security footage. 382 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: So this mother that you know heard this, then checked 383 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: the cameras was there in her home. She heard these footsteps. 384 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: Her husband was in bed with her, so it was 385 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: definitely not her husband, and the husband then went downstairs 386 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: to confront the person, but there was nobody in the house. 387 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: There was absolutely no sign of a break in. The 388 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: doors were still locked, and they found their dog pacing 389 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: around inside the kitchen. So down below the area of 390 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: the image that we've been looking at, the just like 391 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: pacing around. Uh special dog, very special story. It's just 392 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: like my only friends of dogs. So uh like, uh, 393 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: we know the dog's name at least. Oh yeah, dog's 394 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: name is Ali, but we don't know what Ali is unfortunately. Yeah. Well, 395 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: the thing is that the reason why it's even worth 396 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: mentioning is because dogs, according to two people who believe 397 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: that you know, something like this could enter a home, 398 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: whether as an energy or as something else and then 399 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: leave without any trace, believe that perhaps a dog could 400 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: sense that thing, or at least smell whatever smells originate 401 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: due to the presence of that thing. Um. So that's 402 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: when we talked about that. And I'm only talking about 403 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: this guy's because I didn't want to talk about that 404 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: other stuff. So I don't know, there's not much else 405 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: to say. Besides, this is a really creepy thing. And 406 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: we talked about radio rental recently, the concept of radio 407 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: rental correct that it's like bonkers. It's is something that's 408 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: like a bad idea. Yes, well, there is a Halloween 409 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: episode of the actual podcast Radio Rental recently, and in 410 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: that episode there is a tale that is very similar 411 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: to this, a very real looking corporeal human that existed 412 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: in a room over a bed, staring at someone sleeping, 413 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: and upon waking up, that corporeal form moved away from 414 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: that person as they approached it, and then dissipated through 415 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: a door. And I know, you know these are ghost stories, right, 416 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: these are tales. You believe them where you don't. In 417 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: this case, you've got video footage of something that somebody 418 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: caught on video camera and it seems to be not 419 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: explained at least well enough for my taste. Now, Matt, 420 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: was this the first time the family had encountered something 421 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: like this? Yes, the family said, they've experienced a couple 422 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: of other things. Again, they've got that security camera inside 423 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: or like several maybe security cameras inside, so they've seen 424 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: weird things. They've seen doors open seemingly on their own 425 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: on the security camera. Because if you've got motion tracking 426 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: set up in these cameras, it will send you an 427 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: alert like to your phone that says, hey, there was 428 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: motion detected. At this time. Here's a short video clip 429 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: of it. They said on a couple of those doors 430 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: have just kind of opened again their house when nobody's home, 431 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: which to me is either you've got a faulty door 432 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: or somebody maybe was in your house and you didn't 433 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: know it and for some reason they didn't get caught 434 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: on camera, which also doesn't seem very likely, does it. Yeah, 435 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: that's tough. But the ali is a big piece of this, 436 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: and the fact the reason I was asking about that 437 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: that is because typically for those who believe in hauntings, 438 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: the ideas that there will be an escalating pattern, right like, 439 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: it starts small and then it increases. So this so 440 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: you're seeing this family has encountered other anomalous things before, 441 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: but this is like the most direct or the most extreme. Yeah, 442 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: definitely the most extreme, because there's other stuff that's been 443 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: reported in that house that there were strange noises, But 444 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: when you hear strange noises, it could be so many 445 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: things in this house. If the ice machine is doing 446 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: its thing, it spooks me all the time because I'm like, 447 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: what the heck was that? That was a loud noise 448 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: that I didn't expect when well, when I when I 449 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: moved into my current house, I was not used to 450 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: my refrigerator and I had that moment multiple times what 451 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: is that? And then and then I finally got used 452 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, um so like that to me isn't 453 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: that much. But again, you catch something like this on 454 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: security camera footage, at least makes my ears and I 455 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: perk It makes my ears perk up and my eyes 456 00:27:54,680 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: bulut in your skull, Yeah, yeah, dilate or squint one right, 457 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: would be a sign of alarm. Uh So, what's fascinating 458 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: about this is we know that multiple people fellow listeners 459 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: who consider themselves quite skeptical, have run into things like this, right, 460 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: the things that they are at a loss to explain. 461 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: And I wonder whether this opens the door to a 462 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: larger conversation. How many have reports of ghostly or unexplained 463 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: sightings have a accelerated in a world of you know, 464 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: constant surveillance like ring nest and other you know at 465 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: home camera outfits or have like we don't hear a 466 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: lot about people saying I thought there was a ghost 467 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: and then I got cameras and now I know there's 468 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: not you know what I mean? Concur I think the 469 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: solution is we all get cameras everywhere in every inch 470 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: of our house, and and then we have an algorithm 471 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: that monitors all that. What are you doing? What are 472 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: you doing? I don't well no, I don't support this 473 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: at all. Global operation. Oh god, hey, it's something useful. 474 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: We can get the n s A to do. They 475 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: could just monitor the ghost footage. Finally, yeah, yeah, yeah, 476 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: finally the uh. Right, we'll get the we'll get the acronym. 477 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: There'll be uh National Securing Apparitions, right, National Security Apparitions Administration. 478 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: We'll need an extra A, but it'll be a ghost 479 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: A because we won't actually put it in the name. Yes, 480 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: the uh, the non corporeal consulates of every country. We 481 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: should just begin those. Let's do it. The in C, 482 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: C O E C. How do you how do you 483 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: have no room to talk about acronyms? How do you say? 484 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: Three cs and stuff? I don't want you to know 485 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: SCD no, never mind sus studio studio. Yeah, that's how 486 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: that goes. All right, Well, that's it for this weird segment. 487 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: Everybody enjoy the next one. After this quick break, and 488 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: we have returned with the final part of this weekly 489 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: Strange news segment here we go, Uh wanted to give 490 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: some space for a public service announcement, folks. Of course, 491 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 1: there are many many things going on in the world today. 492 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: A kitten was born for the first time without sex. 493 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: Organs Iran Shenanigan's visa VI Russia have been proven beyond 494 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: a doubt. Stay tuned for the Iranian protest episode. But 495 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: we wanted to make space for a very important announcement 496 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: from our good friends at the National Park Service. Matt 497 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: Noel doc I would like to read their original statement 498 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: here because we should treat it with the seriousness it deserves. 499 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,239 Speaker 1: On October thirty one, they share a They share a 500 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: beautiful Actually I'm going to share this with you. It's 501 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: another It kind of looks like Matt's ghost pick. Right, 502 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: it's not a tweet. It is from a Facebook page 503 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: and just make it visible here. Uh So the National 504 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: Park Service shares this just as you said, no, only 505 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: it does look similar to Matt's. The photograph Matt pulled 506 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: it is a picture of a sinister or lovable looking 507 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: frog and the just to read you the caption, like 508 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: we set up it says, well that's toe Dolly terrifying. Yes, 509 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: that's a pun. Uh. Hey, there, here's the riveting late 510 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: night content you would ask for. Yet here we are 511 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: the Sonoran Desert toad Buffo alvarious hold, so known as 512 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: the Colorado River toad, is one of the largest toads 513 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: found in North America, measuring nearly seven inches eighteen centimeters. 514 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: And they go on to describe the sound this toad makes, 515 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: and then they talk about how these toads have prominent 516 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: paratoid glands that secret to potent toxin. It can make 517 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: you sick if you handle the frog, or get poisoned 518 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: in your mouth. As we say with most things you 519 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: come across in a National Park, whether it be a 520 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: banana slug, unfamiliar mushroom, or large toad with glowing eyes 521 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: and the dead of the night, please refrain from Lincoln. 522 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so at the National park. Now, I want 523 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: to set up the context. Credit is important. We should 524 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: credit they're awesome puns in the writing they did. I 525 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: want to set up this context just to say it's true, folks, 526 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,719 Speaker 1: the National Park Service of the United States is going 527 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: out and begging people not to lick toads to get high. 528 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: But they're doing. It's such a weird way because they 529 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: they also later go on to tell you to kind 530 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: of imply the right way to get high off toads. Now, 531 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, I know some of us, not naming names, 532 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: but definitely naming myself, have had a lot of experience 533 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: with hallucinogens and psychedelics. I think they can be a 534 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: great thing for the world. But I have to ask, like, why, 535 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: why is the why out of all the things, is 536 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: the National Park Service begging people not to lick toads. 537 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: I imagine they're having to extract too many people that 538 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: have licked it too many times and gotten too messed 539 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: up and like passed out or just licked the wrong 540 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: toad right and actually gotten poisoned. I mean, usually when 541 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: these kinds of things come out in a public relations manner, 542 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: it's in response to it an issue they're having to 543 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: deal with. So I think maybe they're having to airlift 544 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: too many like like loooks out of the parks that 545 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: have like licked the toad the wrong toad or the 546 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: right toad too many times. What do you think, Matt, 547 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,919 Speaker 1: I'm just staring at this toad on this article from MS. 548 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: Don't I mean, he's a lickable looking guy, it's a 549 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: lickable looking amphibian, you know what I mean. It looks 550 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,959 Speaker 1: like someone already licked it. Honestly, it's kind of wet 551 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: looking in the picture. They're always wet. And National Park 552 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: guy slobbered on it, and there was like okay, no 553 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: for real though, uh, for real? Though nobody else really quick, Ben, 554 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: Can I ask you said that buried in this or 555 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: like hidden in this is the right way to get 556 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: high off a toad? Where where is the where is that? Exactly? Well, 557 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: if you ask me for a friend, Yeah, if you 558 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: look at other statements from the National Park Service, and 559 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: if you look at the places that picked this up, 560 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,959 Speaker 1: like ms in and of course read it, why not? Uh? 561 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: And and and it leads to also this lovely article 562 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: from Kimon Grief in The New Yorker, The pie Piper 563 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: of Psychedelic toads. Uh. This is is where you see 564 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: that since ancient times people have been aware of these 565 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: um hallucinogenic or psychogenic effects. Uh. The National Park Service 566 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: does not, to be clear, They do not say what 567 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: you got to do is smoke it or to keep 568 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: the old voice, what you got to do with smoke it? Uh? 569 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: In the Facebook post that. I think that's too much liability. 570 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: But if you lick these guys, and if you lick 571 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: these toads, then you'll get numbness of the mouth and throat. 572 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 1: You can get severe and life threatening effects on your heart, 573 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: your liver, probably too, right. I could imagine you know, 574 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: no hate to toad liquors, right, just be friendly, I guess. 575 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: Make sure it's a consensual relationship between you and the toad. 576 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how you'd figure that out. I'm not 577 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: an expert on animal intelligence, but we do know that 578 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 1: smoking the secretions of these MP beans has become pretty 579 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: popular in recent years. Uh. Mike Tyson talked about tripping 580 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: on toad venom and he said it was just aces 581 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: It's similar to d M T right, Like, it's sort 582 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: of like a very quick, very intense psychedelic experience. Yeah. 583 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: There was one guy um who did a ted X 584 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: talk at Burning Man Doctor. Sorry, I'm sorry, Dr Octovio Reddick. 585 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: He said that he had used this psychedelic substance to 586 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: overcome an addiction to crack cocaine. Uh. He called it 587 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: toad medicine and said that this was a ancient Meso 588 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: American ritual. But this reminded me of our conversation about 589 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: clearing houses and how the appropriation of that practice has 590 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: endangered white sage, once a very common plant in the area. Uh, 591 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: it looks like the Sonoran toad is doubly endangered by 592 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: this sort of stuff, because you know, the world sucks 593 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: for amphibians right now. If you want to be an amphibian, 594 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: you have to live in a healthy surface environment and 595 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: you have to have a healthy aquatic environment, and both 596 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: of those are just endangered. They're in crisis levels. And 597 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: on top of this, the toad that does survive and 598 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: reproduces has to worry about someone, you know, candidly like 599 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: me back in the day, finding it and going, I 600 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: don't know, okay, let's go. Uh So this this is 601 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: weird to me because I I know we're being lighthearted, 602 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: but obviously the wild world, the wilderness is in a 603 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: lot of danger. Now it's just gonna get worse. C 604 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,919 Speaker 1: Mats earlier reference about the cop meeting, which I think 605 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,919 Speaker 1: the major producer major pollution producers of the world did 606 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: not dang to attend recently. But why Biden went at 607 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: the end or is going at the end or something 608 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: like that? Well, there's there's an article you guys need 609 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: to check out. We everyone and should if you're listening. 610 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: It's from the Guardian. It's about oil and gas producers 611 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: and how they were misrepresenting their numbers when they's when 612 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: methane and that doesn't sound like them. Why would they 613 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: do that? It's ridiculous. Back your heads. Sorry, just to 614 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: step in here, guys. India Times reports that self described 615 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: luxury fashion fashionista and philanthropist Victoria Barbara uh got over 616 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: her depression only by using buffo, which is smoking toad 617 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: venom milk. Can I just say it's a very analogous 618 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: experience to taking psilocybin. So let's you know, psilocybin. If 619 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: you want anthem morphias mushrooms you can be like, oh, 620 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 1: they also feel things, but they're gonna keep growing at 621 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: least toads that are actually endangered me. But also I 622 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: have to ask when you lick them, does that deplete 623 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: their life cycle? Is that bad for them? Does it 624 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: potentially cause them to die out? Like? What's the issue there? 625 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: Oh no, it's just a super unpleasant experience. It's something 626 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: multiple times bigger than you just picked you up and 627 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: and then yeah, basically assault. They got it, I got it, 628 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: and you and you just hope it's not too high 629 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: to forget to put you down safely. Yeah, right now, 630 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: right now, these toads are not endangered yet, the snoring 631 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,240 Speaker 1: desert toad, also the Colorado River toad that's another street 632 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: name has it's what's called an animal at least concern. 633 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: But the issue is that as people are recognizing substances 634 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: derived from this creature can, like other hallucinogenic substances or 635 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: psychogenic substances, can indeed help with addiction, then more and 636 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: more people are going to be grabbing them, trying to 637 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: modify it, trying to sell it and slot it into 638 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: the weird Ponzi scheme of capitalism. But it looks like, 639 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: although there's much more research to be done, it looks 640 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,919 Speaker 1: like this so called toad medicine does have a lot 641 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: of promise. Hunter Biden um famously not great at keeping 642 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: track of laptops, also known for being the son of 643 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: the current US president. It's a joke there. I hope 644 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: that's not going to He says that this this treatment 645 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: kept him off cocaine for one year. He's very specific 646 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: about that part. Some of these treatments, even like the 647 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 1: medicalization of ketamine um for therapeutic purposes sometimes does require 648 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: you to just keep having sessions and keep doing it 649 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: like in in in death line and yeah right, a 650 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: continual application. Uh. In. When I was referencing the Mike 651 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: Tyson statement, he was on the Joe Rogan experience and 652 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: he said that this had fundamentally changed his life, which 653 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: is something people sometimes report when they ingest d M 654 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: T or other you know, more regionally specific things like ayahuasca. Uh. 655 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: The idea then is oh, I also want to quote 656 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: Michael Pollen, fantastic writer. Yes, I'm the War's Dilemma. It's 657 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: a book I recommend everybody read if you haven't yet. Uh. 658 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: I believe it was Pollen, who can turn a heck 659 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: of a phrase. He said, Tripping on this is like 660 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: being strapped to the nose of a rocket that flies 661 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: into the sun and evaporates. Sounds cool, He said, it 662 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: completely dissolves reality, leaving neither hallucinations nor anyone to watch them, 663 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: so pure ego death. And uh, you know, as always 664 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: willing to tell you this kind of stuff, we are 665 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: not recommending that you venture to those doors of perception. 666 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: Shout out al Dis Huxley. But we I think we 667 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: have to say, you know, um, we have to say 668 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: that there does seem to be some solid scientific promise 669 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 1: to the idea of using psychedelic experiments or ingestion in 670 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: a controlled way to combat the horrors of addiction. And 671 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: I'll keep this short. Uh, I do want to point 672 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: out one thing that might be a little bit of 673 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: a deflation here in the story. I'm pretty sure I 674 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: know why the park Service posted this, and I don't 675 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: think it's because, uh, they were getting rated by a 676 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: bunch of cartels trying to get into the toad like 677 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: in business. If you look at the if you look 678 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: at the Facebook post, it's on October one, So it's 679 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,720 Speaker 1: a nice how Leween's story think about that that's wrong. 680 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: But I also do think that the gravity with which 681 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: they imbued this post does imply that maybe they've had 682 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: some issues with people coming to the parks and licking 683 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,240 Speaker 1: too many toads. I think the picture came way before 684 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: the post picture what someone said, Oh that's a lickable toad, 685 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: and someone someone said, great point. Derek, hang on, no 686 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: wait wait, I'm sorry. If your name is Derek, you 687 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: work for the park services. Uh, so, keeping that one, 688 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: keeping that one brief, would love to again open the 689 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: door to hear about anybody who has firsthand experience with 690 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:51,359 Speaker 1: this substance. In particular, there's only again, you know, there's 691 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,720 Speaker 1: only the one toad that's known to create this stuff. 692 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: And the scientific name of the compound is five in 693 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: e O d M T or die methyl trip to me. 694 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,840 Speaker 1: Say it three times fast. That is the same. It 695 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: is d M. That's what we're talking about. Oh it's 696 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,759 Speaker 1: uh sorry, it's in dimethyl trip to LA. But what 697 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying is the synthesized version that doesn't get directly 698 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: derived from toads is a very similar experience. I would 699 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: are the so called god molecule. Yes, it's banned in 700 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: the U S. 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