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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle, a New York Giants podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the newest episode of the Giant Subtle Podcast.

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Speaker 1: John Smoke with you. Today's guest the voice of the

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Speaker 1: New York Football Giants, Bob Poppa. But first want to

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Speaker 1: joined by our guests. He's the voice of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: We've always get the same every day in the office,

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Speaker 1: but I haven't seen Bob face to face. So I

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Speaker 1: set up the code deck in his office to do

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Speaker 1: a serious show about three months ago. And that's Bob Bopa.

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Speaker 1: How are you, Bob? I'm doing great, John, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's stinks not being at the facility and uh seeing

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Speaker 1: everybody and getting a feel for the new players that

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Speaker 1: are there and new coaching staff and seeing you and

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Speaker 1: are a little back of the cafeteria, big table that

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Speaker 1: our group sits at. You know, who knows when we're

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Speaker 1: gonna actually be sitting at that table again even when

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Speaker 1: we get back in the facility, because I think we're

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Speaker 1: facing a lot of changes that, uh, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to deal with moving forward. In fact, our our buddy

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Speaker 1: Mike becked in in our production department, worked with Ronnie

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Speaker 1: Barnes and a bunch of other people at the facility.

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Speaker 1: They put they get a really good video for the

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Speaker 1: folks out there that kind of want to see what

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be like when we all get back to work.

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Speaker 1: Go check it out on Giants dot com. It's definitely

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Speaker 1: worth a watch. Bob and Iron back, yet only some

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Speaker 1: staff went back um to to kind of get things started.

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Speaker 1: Bob and I guess we can start there. What's you're

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Speaker 1: feeling here? I mean, you're evolved in league circles, You

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Speaker 1: hear stuff, you do your national show on serious. Do

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Speaker 1: you think in a full training camp, four preseason games

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Speaker 1: they're gonna try to limit that. What's your feel for

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Speaker 1: what the summer is going to look like when these

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Speaker 1: players finally return um. I think that they don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think they have several plans, probably laid out as

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Speaker 1: a league as far as how each state is doing

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Speaker 1: and how they can do this as equally as possible,

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Speaker 1: so that there's not an advantage for one team over another.

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Speaker 1: The thing I found a little confusing was earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week the league announced that, um, there would be

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Speaker 1: no joint practices this summer, and that teams that go

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Speaker 1: away for training camp Cowboys and ox Nerd, the Steelers

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Speaker 1: always go to Latrobe, and some of these other teams

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Speaker 1: do that either. So I understand all of that, But

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Speaker 1: then I'm trying to wrap my brain around, well, then

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Speaker 1: how are you gonna have four preseason games? Because if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna keep the teams away from each other and

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Speaker 1: you don't want to dual practicing, you still have to

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Speaker 1: bring two teams and two stabs and two organizations together

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Speaker 1: to play preseason games. And we're not talking about regular

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Speaker 1: season roster numbers. We're talking about ninety So that's a

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Speaker 1: D and eighty. That's thirty five more team that you're

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Speaker 1: the future holds as far as the preseason is concerned,

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Speaker 1: but based on the fact they don't want teams practicing

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Speaker 1: It would seem logical to me that you would say, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe we're gonna just have two preseason games

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna do it where teams are geographically close

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Speaker 1: other if you have to bust in the day of great. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And it could be one of those deals with the

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Speaker 1: talked about perhaps removing some preseason games before. Maybe this

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Speaker 1: we don't know what it's gonna look like when the

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Speaker 1: the Giants offseason because we're at the point now here, Bob,

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Speaker 1: a pretty good idea of what Dave Gentleman's vision was

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Speaker 1: the past couple of months, Well, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: Gettlman did a great job as the director of pro

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Speaker 1: you know, Joe Judge comes from the Saban Belichick school,

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Speaker 1: I think that's what Joe Judge wants to do, and

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Speaker 1: very run heavy attack here, Bob? Of course, Look, we

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Speaker 1: And I think being balanced and being more versatile and

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun and a few cocktails, so it's great.

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Speaker 1: I can't beat the cocktails. Bob, good stuff, my friends,

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Speaker 1: Stay safe, good talk with you. Hopefully we'll see you

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Speaker 1: soon or later, and let's try to do this again

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Speaker 1: before the season starts. You got him a man, Thanks

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Speaker 1: Bob Papa. Our guests on The Giants on the podcast

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody. You can find us

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Speaker 1: on the Giants app, on the giants dot com website,

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Speaker 1: go to giants dot com, slash podcast, and your favorite

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Speaker 1: podcast platforms for bo Bo Bom, John Schmulk, We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time. Everybody. Stay safe,