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Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast with on our radio. Hey guys, welcome

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Speaker 1: to you Almost Famous podcast. It's actually Ben won't be

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Speaker 1: I promise you. Until then, I have my friends, Evan

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Speaker 1: asked in Carly Woodell on the podcast with me, We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about what what you guys are up

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Speaker 1: to before we jump into recapping the Bachelor at You

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Speaker 1: guys do a great job live tweeting in every week.

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Speaker 1: I know that's like one of Evan's passions in life.

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Speaker 1: So I'm happy to have you break down the episode

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Speaker 1: with us um So, before we got on air, I

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Speaker 1: But what's another Cinderella? Everybody needs to Cinderella? And how

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Speaker 1: many times there's too many times to go to Disneyland.

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Speaker 1: say much. He keeps it very like even Keel, So

423
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: there's nothing I don't know, Like if he said a

424
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: statement that was like, he's careful with his words. Yeah,

425
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: he's good at choosing words. We just know that he

426
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: likes flying planes. Yeah, well he doesn't really like that.

427
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: So let me be the devil devil's advocate for all

428
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 1: of us on this because I think this is an

429
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,959
Speaker 1: interesting conversation and one that I wanted to bring up

430
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,239
Speaker 1: this week. I step into this podcast at a time

431
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: where you all are talking about fluff and that you're

432
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: not really finding out anything about these guys. Because I'm

433
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: under the impression and I believe that on this show

434
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: you could make it for most of the whole experience

435
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: without ever saying anything of meaning to anybody. You can

436
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: answer around issues, you can say the right thing, You

437
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: can have a bunch of hour long conversations and act

438
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: like you care. At some point. That catches up with you.

439
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: Every season, it does, and it will. But with Peter,

440
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: you're saying things like and and again I'm a Peter fan,

441
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: but you're saying things like, he says the right things,

442
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: He chooses his words carefully, he doesn't say a lot.

443
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: Isn't that what you're just complaining about where we're not

444
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 1: really finding out anything? But yet he is a fan favorite.

445
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: You know what, I think, I insturation before. I have

446
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: explained the sprustation before, and I'm falling for it. I

447
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: suppose um, Carly and I totally weren't the people saying

448
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: the right things. We said a lot of controversial things.

449
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: People didn't always like us at the end of the day.

450
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: For the majority of Bachelor Nation, I feel like they came.

451
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: They they had a liking for us, but it wasn't

452
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: like we got through easy. And I think we are

453
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: like people who I have to say, are kind of

454
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: fun and interesting to watch because we aren't always perfect,

455
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: but we're never the most beloved, like the ben Higgins,

456
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: like the Peters who do always say the right thing

457
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: and never mess up. It's a different kind of like yeah,

458
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: and it might even open us up to I would

459
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: say that when you try to say the right thing

460
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: for long enough, you finally well, yes, you get boring.

461
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: But you also when you do say one thing wrong,

462
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: then everybody reacts in an over dramatic way. Right, So

463
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: we kind of have this thing in politics right now,

464
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: right where if you say the wrong thing often enough,

465
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: you stop caring and nobody really ever criticizes you because

466
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: they just expected out of you. But I would say that,

467
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: for example, I told two women I loved them. That's

468
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: a big deal. Is it should be a big deal.

469
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: People should react to that, But it's not the biggest deal.

470
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: We see it almost every season now. We know that

471
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: most people are feeling it. But I think because the

472
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: line of the line was set so far on the

473
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: other side of doing anything wrong, that when you finally

474
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: do anything controversial, everybody erupts in a more dramatic way.

475
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 1: Would you guys agree as we did? You want us

476
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: to go opposite? You know we're good, we can agree. Hey,

477
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: I want to walk us through a few things here

478
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna pass it off to you guys

479
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: to kind of lead us to the rest. I have

480
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: a few things that I'm really passionate about, and because

481
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm late, I'm just gonna take this over because um

482
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: that's what I do. I guess, um I walk into

483
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: conversation once again. You guys a talking about fluff. Here

484
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: is my, uh my strongest opinion from this episode. Garrett

485
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: has yet to tell me anything of meaning through the

486
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: whole season. He talks about others. He does it as much,

487
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: if not more than Luke. He seems to be very

488
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: caught up in that he can say the right thing

489
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: at the right moment. He's standing naked with Hannah bungee jumping.

490
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: That's the easiest day in the history of that Bachelor

491
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: world to ever do well, Like, how are you going

492
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: to do that wrong? Just don't look at her too often,

493
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: don't say anything sexist, or don't say anything too weird.

494
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: Hold er tight and jump out of this thing. I

495
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: got to interrupt you. That is so much different for

496
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: a guy. We have to talk about the appropriateness of

497
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: this date. Okay, I have can I can we go

498
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: into it? Of course? Okay. So I would never be

499
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: okay with being naked on a date where I still

500
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: had other guys in the competition. Actually, I would never

501
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: be okay being naked unless I was like dating the guy.

502
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: Actually dates. They tried to make me be naked for

503
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: in my best Yes, the days Crystals, trying to make

504
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: me be naked, the day with Evan when we painted

505
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: try to make me be naked. They're always trying to

506
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: make me be naked. There's nothing more liberating than having

507
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: sex on camera. By the way, there this happened and

508
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: we didn't know about it didn't you know, you know,

509
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, secret in one of the boom boom rooms

510
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: right in my bedroom smiling. I remember currently talking about

511
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: that sex session. But they try to make people do it.

512
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of if you'll do it or not.

513
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: So Hannah went on Instagram story last night and she said,

514
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: I have something very secret to let you guys in on.

515
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, underwear on Yes, okay, I knew it. I

516
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: knew it too, But then they really played tricks with

517
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: the camera. Well they didn't show that area though. They

518
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: showed her upper area but not yeah, but they were

519
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: trying to show like high thigh on both of them

520
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: to show that there wasn't any underwear. They're They're good.

521
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: They are good. All I can think about. We've had

522
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: these conversations before and and Evan, I need you to

523
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: join in here because this is an area and expertise expertise.

524
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: I was watching this and I had two thoughts. One

525
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: is I don't love because I've been in this situation

526
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: that it felt to me. Now I'm on the side

527
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: of of most of the probably the normal men in

528
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: the world that say, Hannah, do what you want to do,

529
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: like this is your deal, you're dating these guys, have fun,

530
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: go wild, get naked for me and and I think

531
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: we've talked about the podcast before. I don't mind being naked.

532
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: I think it's a fantastic, liberating experience. I don't think

533
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: i'd ever want to do it on television, just for

534
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: multiple reasons. It's not it wouldn't be something i'd feel

535
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: probably comfortable with or what I really want to respond to.

536
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: So two thoughts. One is, I don't love how the

537
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: show made it seem like she was shocked and surprised

538
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: by them being naked, and it felt like we were

539
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: pushing her in the into a corner of are you

540
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: going to get naked or not? I don't love that

541
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: that that made me very uncomfortable. The second thought, and

542
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: then I'll let you guys respond, is if I'm Garrett

543
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: and I'm dating my girlfriend and she's naked in front

544
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: of me and we're making out up close and personal,

545
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: the things that are gonna happen on really your first

546
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: date are incredibly uncomfortable, Like I don't want like that

547
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: is really crossing the line, Like as a man, I

548
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: don't want my first date to be that intimate. Am

549
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: I wrong? Oh? Heck, now I feel very I feel

550
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable with with the date. I don't even get naked,

551
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: and like spas and like the sauna. Yeah yeah, I'll

552
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,239
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, there's naked women in here.

553
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: That's so crazy. I can't believe everybody so comfortable getting naked.

554
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. I always been, I know, I don't know.

555
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: I just have always been very private. I grew up

556
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: with a mom who never showed me her boobies or

557
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: anything like that. So no, I was raised extremely like

558
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: conservative as well. And you're, dude, it's so different. It's

559
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: different for girls and boys. We have more parts. You're

560
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: totally right. You're totally right. And it's not because it's

561
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: not I'm not body positive. It's not because like I

562
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: don't like love my body. I actually have never had

563
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: body image issues. It's just a private area for me, truly. Yeah,

564
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I totally agree that it's different for

565
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: a man and a woman. But there is one thing

566
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: that a man has that a woman doesn't. And you

567
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: can tell when we're excited or not. But do you think,

568
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: like maybe he didn't get as excited because he also

569
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: was kind of scared to jump off that never would

570
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: stop me. It was amazing, though, what about that it was?

571
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: I think maybe it Evan, How does it work if

572
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: it's cold and there's fear. Could it not? He knows?

573
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean, like two cameras around in the coldness. Probably

574
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: did not. He probably did not get it off. I

575
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: mean it's totally unlikely. So the positive to all of it,

576
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: because that's okay, let's get it close up. The positive

577
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: all of this. And I do agree with this moment.

578
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: Is there sitting at dinner that night and and he

579
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: says something and she agrees, he goes, I feel like

580
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: we connected and this is a very intimate day for us,

581
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: and we've connected more today than I ever thought we could.

582
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: I agree with that. That is one thing that you know,

583
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: letting your guard down, you know, doing something like this

584
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: that's wild, that's crazy that you're both gonna laugh at.

585
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: And they did well laughing at it, and it's like

586
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: having a good time. I do think it brought them

587
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: closer together. But I'd like to then hear from your

588
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: opinions on what like, as a response, did Garrett do

589
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: anything actually on this date to impress you? I think

590
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: bungee jumping in general is going to get you closer.

591
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't think the naked part really had much to

592
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: do with it. I don't what were you going to say?

593
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: You know, they're at the dinner. I was a little

594
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: perturbed because she's she opened up and I can't remember

595
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: what it was about she was she was sharing. She

596
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: really was like talking about being heard or something and

597
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: how hard it was. And then he just turned around

598
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: and flipped it back and made it about him, like

599
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: he literally didn't even say he was like, oh, that's

600
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: cool and me and I feel like we're getting a

601
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: lot of that from some of the guys or it's

602
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: like just switches it right back right back to them

603
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: to talk about them. Definitely become less likable in the

604
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks. Yes, yeah, And I'm surprised you

605
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: guys say that because I watched this episode and I thought,

606
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: based on my limited minute experiences, the fans and the

607
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: people are going to react in a positive way towards Garrett.

608
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: He's going to become more likable from this date, probably

609
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: especially since he's the you know, the good guy going

610
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: against Luke. You know, I mean, that's so he is

611
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: going to get more like but you know from a

612
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: relationship perspective, purely with Hannah, because you know, that's why

613
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: we're here. It's like, I feel like that's why we're here.

614
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a chance in Hannah. I don't know.

615
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: I feel like he's not the good guy against Luke.

616
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: I think the good guys against Luke are the ones

617
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: that aren't talking about Luke at this point. No, I agree.

618
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying what people will perceive people. Everyone will think, oh, yes,

619
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: go get Luke, take him down. But it was like

620
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: creepy when he said that one thing when he was

621
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: walking on the door, like sleep, well, that was just

622
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: yourself a creep oh man, Like that was weird. Oh man.

623
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: It was a great line, though, a great creepy line.

624
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: It was a great creepy lie. It was like a

625
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: Kelsey Poe line. Yeah, all right, we have to let

626
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: Carly and Evan go, which is so sad. Well, busy people.

627
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: I could talk about this all day long. He could.

628
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: It's true. Thanks for having us on, guys, thank you

629
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: for coming on, and we will have you back before

630
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: the end of the season because you guys are great recappers.

631
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: You have such a passion to you. Sweet Ben can't

632
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: wait to hanging Nashville. Dude, I'm there all the time

633
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: noways by Hey Ashley. If if your skin is gonna

634
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674
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: done talking about nakedness, Ben, because Luke got fired up

675
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: over it. Luke was like, I didn't appreciate this. I

676
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: don't even know that I'd want to take a girl

677
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: home that recently went naked bungee jumping with another man.

678
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of people, I think

679
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people want to get at Luke for that.

680
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: But if you really think about it, and you're sitting

681
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: down with like your boyfriend, your husband, your fiance, and

682
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I mean, I guess if I was

683
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: in his shoes, I probably would feel a little bit

684
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: weird about that as well. I think Luke goes wrong

685
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: completely and telling her what she should do with her

686
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: body and what she can do, and what he because

687
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: he does not have them, he does not have the

688
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: right right now to tell her any of that, to

689
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: give his opinion on any of that. This is her thing,

690
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: she's leading it her body. But I mean, I guess

691
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: I can understand it being a little bit weird taking

692
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: home a girl who's already been naked within the past

693
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: two weeks with another man. I can we sit here

694
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: and talk about this, just back and forth for a bit,

695
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: because I feel like this is an interesting conversation and

696
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: one that I've thought a lot about, even since last

697
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: week when we got the teaser. Right, Um, actually, here's

698
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: my thing. I I agree with you. I think it's weird.

699
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: This is one of those times where the show's format

700
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: and real life kind of collide because he's feeling like

701
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: that is his girlfriend, and he's mentioned that, like, hey,

702
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: this is my girlfriend, and she also is because of

703
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: the format dating other men and exploring those relationships, So

704
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna get weird. It just is. And so I

705
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: think how we look at this is, yeah, if I

706
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: was if I had a girlfriend and and we've been

707
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: dating for let's even say a month. I don't know

708
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: how long the show has been going on right now,

709
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: but let's say a month, and she comes to me

710
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: one day and she goes funny story like I was

711
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: just bungee jumping naked with the dude. It's like I'd

712
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: be like I don't think I like that, Like, I

713
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: don't know if I feel right about that. I think

714
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: like you said so from Luke's perspective. And we've kind

715
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: of talked about this all season, and it's actually been

716
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: kind of interesting how many comments we've gotten, uh and

717
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: one of the first times ever on this podcast where

718
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: people have gone, you need to be meaner to Luke.

719
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: P Like, you guys are being too nice to him,

720
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: You're understanding him too much, like he's doing crazy things.

721
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: Typically it's the reverse for us, um, but I think

722
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: in this situation, I can see his thought process, and

723
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: I think here's where I want to talk to you

724
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: is how did he communicate it poorly? What is your

725
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: opinion on and how he communicated poorly. He communicated it

726
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: poorly by calling what you did a mistake, especially a

727
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: bone headed mistake. I know that later in the episode

728
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: he tried to back pedal on that and be like, no,

729
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: no, no no, I was talking about future bone headed mistakes,

730
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: not this one being a bone headed mistake. But that

731
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: is absolutely where he went wrong, because she's like, it

732
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: wasn't a mistake. It's actually something that I'm really glad

733
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: that I did. And we have felt that she's glad

734
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: that she feels like to me, there's a great book

735
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: that I've read multiple times now and I tell anybody

736
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: to read it, and I've talked about it here. It's

737
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: called Scary Close and Scary Closes, a book really on

738
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: relational communication and how we relate with people in relationships,

739
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,479
Speaker 1: and there's a whole two chapters about manipulation and how

740
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: all of us at some level are are manipulators. We

741
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: just are in our own ways. It feels like to me,

742
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: one of the things that Luke p has done consistently

743
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: throughout the season is he has tried or attempted or

744
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 1: has manipulated situations where he brings in guilt and shame

745
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: to very bad emotions to situations to try to get

746
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: his way, and then when he is confronted on it

747
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: by Hannah or are the other guys, he back pedals, Oh,

748
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: absolutely what he did here, Yeah, he totally shamed her

749
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: and then and then backpedals the following day. So even

750
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: with I'm thinking here like I can only really relate

751
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: with my own personal circumstances. So say jeff a cup Um,

752
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: she comes to me one day and she's like, hey,

753
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: I was in this situation, you know, all of a sudden,

754
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: this work event happened, and this guy and I had

755
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: to do a speed dating round and be like, yeah,

756
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: I don't love that, And but my follow up question

757
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: be like, well, how did it make you feel? Why

758
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: did you choose to do that? Like what is it like?

759
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: And then hopefully I could if I was uncomfortable, I

760
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: could follow up with hey, Jess like this makes me

761
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable? Why, and then we would respond, like we

762
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: would converse and talk about it and communicate about you know,

763
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: those things. I think in this situation, I was upset

764
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: with Luke, and this is one of the first times

765
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: in a long time that was like, dude, this is

766
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: like dangerously bad. Is because he went at her with Shane,

767
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: which is a terrible approach and one that if I

768
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: was Hannah, honestly call it whatever, he's home, He's going

769
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: home that night. I never want to date anybody that

770
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: resorts to confrontation and pushes me into a corner of shame.

771
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: I think that if he wanted to talk about this,

772
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: he could have been like who that makes me feel

773
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: a little, It makes it like it hurts and I

774
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: feel jealous. But I know that it's what you wanted

775
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: to do, so I'm glad you did it. It's a

776
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: moral yeah, I mean it's a moral line that he's calling, right,

777
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean, call it from whatever. I'm assuming it's coming

778
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: from something in his his faith background or his conservative

779
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: approach to life. Uh. And I don't want to tell

780
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 1: somebody where their moral standards should fall. I think we

781
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: we work through that in life. But if that is

782
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: where his moral standards fall, that he's uncomfortable with this situation,

783
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: there are right ways to approach it, and he went

784
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: about it in a very dangerous way. And for as

785
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: nice as we've been to loop P maybe the last

786
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, yeah, he was wrong. And this is

787
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: he is scary wrong. This was the week where I

788
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, now, don don come on. You have

789
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: to eliminate him because there's no reason to keep him

790
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: around anymore. She doesn't have fun with him, she doesn't

791
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: even seem to like him. He just makes her angry. Well,

792
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: this is the first row ceremony where I go, I

793
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: don't get it anymore, Hannah, I don't get it. I

794
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: can understand you keeping him around for initial sparks, for

795
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: that feeling that you had when you guys first started dating.

796
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: But now I don't feel like you're in in with him,

797
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: and I don't think that you're ever going to feel

798
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: better about him again. He just makes you angry. I

799
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: don't get it. I don't love either. You know the talk,

800
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: I think at one point, and I know where that's

801
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: coming from as well, he says comments like your body

802
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: is a temple. Of course it is. I mean it

803
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: is a temple, and it is something that we should

804
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: all hold to a high standard. We we should love

805
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: our bodies and respect our bodies. But at what level.

806
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: I never quite got the parallel between your bodies a

807
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: temple and what you did was wrong, Like, if anything,

808
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: she was just comfortable in her skin and to say

809
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: screw it, I'm gonna do this. I think there it

810
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: was another moment where he was using faith as a weapon,

811
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: and I'm not okay with that. Actually, this is where

812
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: it gets really personal to me. And I was sitting

813
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: last night with my family watching this and I was like,

814
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't like the show makes me laugh a lot,

815
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: and I get in you know, we do this podcast

816
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: and we talk about it a lot, and I spoke

817
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: a little bit about this last week, but last night

818
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: again it gets me angry because I love Jesus like

819
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: Jesus is the rock to my life and and nothing

820
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: I do make sense without my belief in a God.

821
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: But that belief in a God is never used for

822
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: Shane gilt or as a weapon. And and it makes

823
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: me angry that the idea and the perception that we're

824
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: sending from this show right now is that as a Christian,

825
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: these are the normal responses we should have towards people

826
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: like they show him praying, they show him in a

827
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: like this. This this gets really personal to me. And

828
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: as for women out there, like, hey, uh and maybe

829
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: this will be controversial, I don't know if I would

830
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: love that my girlfriend did that either, Like quite honestly,

831
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: I think, but don't at any level make anybody, especially

832
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: when it comes with the right intentions to feel shame

833
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: or gil or that they should hide in a corner

834
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: in like in in in an apologetic way because they

835
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: made a decision like this, like and it's it's scary

836
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: for me what the public is seeing from his mouth

837
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: or hearing from his mouth right now, and how they're

838
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: relating that to the God that I love so dearly.

839
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: So you you just don't you want to make sure

840
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: that people know that Christians are not all like Luke. Well,

841
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: none of us are the same, right and so, and

842
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: like Luke, I'm not going to question his belief in God.

843
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: Like I don't know that side of him. I don't

844
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: know where he stands with his faith. All I know

845
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: from what I've seen is that it's used now on

846
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: a few occade Asians to be a weapon or to

847
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: bring on shame or guilt. Like his moral standard is

848
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: the standard he sets his stake in, and then everybody

849
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 1: else that doesn't equate to that somehow is wrong. And

850
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: that's where I want to draw the line and say,

851
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: not every person that has a moral compass feels this

852
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: way or would communicate it in this way. I want

853
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: to go back to something you said. I probably wouldn't

854
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: want my girlfriend doing this. Luke keeps telling Hannah, you're perfect,

855
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: You're the girl I want to marry. But he's just

856
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: saying those things because it feels like it he just

857
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: doesn't know her, and she's she's maybe probably proving that

858
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: she's less conservative than he'd want a girl to be.

859
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: And yet he of course keeps saying things like, I

860
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: want to marry you. You're my perfect girl. I think

861
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: she's proving that she's not your perfect girl. Well, let

862
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: me get personal for a second. And I've never talked

863
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: about this publicly, So let's go to Lauren and I

864
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: for a second. Somebody that I think we both had

865
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: a mutual love for each other and a mutual respect

866
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: for each other. Right now, we were not Luke and Hannah.

867
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: We got along for the most part, right but there

868
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: was a time in our relationship towards the end that

869
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: we the And it wasn't even lifestyle choices, it wasn't

870
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: decisions that we're making. We could just tell that we

871
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: weren't clicking. Like the things I would do, maybe she

872
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: not what wasn't maybe not a fan of but just

873
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: didn't really enjoy, and the things that she would do

874
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: maybe I didn't enjoy, or things I would do on

875
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: on on occasion would annoy her, or maybe things I

876
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: would do every day in my life would annoy her.

877
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: And we just realized at that point there was a

878
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: lack of compatibility. We weren't the right partners for each other,

879
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: we weren't bringing out the best in each other. That

880
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: our relationship was more frustrating than it was uplifting. That's

881
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: exactly what we're seeing between Hannah and Luke on a

882
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: smaller scale. On a smaller scale. Now, I don't want

883
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: to compare Laura and I to handle Luke. We we

884
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: have a lot healthier relationship that but I think all

885
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: of our listeners out there could say if if they've

886
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: been in a few relationships, could say, hey, I've been

887
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: in a relationship that we wanted it to work, that

888
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: everything aligned for it to work, but at the end

889
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: of the day, we were not compatible. That our conversations

890
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: ended up in frustration as much as we didn't want

891
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: them to be. I look back to a few weeks

892
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: ago when Luke had his one on one. Hannah went

893
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: into that wanting to have a great time with him,

894
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: and it ended with both of them being frustrated for

895
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: whatever reason that happens in relationships. And at that point, actually,

896
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: once again, I think it's a good teller of this

897
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: isn't gonna work, which is why it's super weird that

898
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: she keeps giving him a rose because they have proven

899
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: to be completely incompritable. Let's let's open us up to

900
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: the listeners. Listeners, why do you think Hannah continues to

901
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: keep them around. I don't want to get emails on

902
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: oh the show is making her, because I don't think

903
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: they are. What is it about Luke right now that

904
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: you think Hannah is still intrigued by or thinks that

905
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 1: could work. Is it just the frustration that brings her back?

906
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: Is the fact that she did she has unfinished business

907
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: with him, or that he still has a pull on

908
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: her in some way, whatever it is, I want to

909
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts and as much detail as possible, Ashley,

910
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: and I want to read those this week at Nashley

911
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: at i heeart media dot com. Ben, there's one more

912
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: thing about the naked stuff that I want to talk about. Um,

913
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: the other guys made it seem like they were okay

914
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: with it, especially Tyler, and I think it's kind of

915
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: wacky to be like, oh, it's totally fun and chill

916
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: about it. Was like, totally great. I'm really happy for

917
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: it's okay to express some jealousy some annoyance, and that

918
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: really fired me up. I don't know that I even

919
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: think it's okay to be like, oh, so chill with it,

920
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: because that does that show that you're not like super

921
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: into her because you didn't have a tinge of jealousy

922
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: in that moment. I think, like it's cool to be like,

923
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: I respect whatever decision she she does with her body

924
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: and all that, but like to not even show a

925
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: little frustration with the date. Good point. Well, and I

926
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: wonder if there's two things That one is that he

927
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: feels that Tyler and the rest of the group sees

928
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: that there's so much shame and guilt right now on

929
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: Hannah about it, that they're going in the opposite direction, Like, Okay,

930
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I care about this woman.

931
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: I like this woman. Maybe I'm falling in love with her.

932
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't want I mean, I know now with you know,

933
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: my relationship, I don't want Jessica to feel shame or

934
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: guilt or to feel down and out, especially over a

935
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: decision she's made with the best of intentions. And so

936
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: maybe those guys are going the opposite wasteing. It's not

937
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: even a battle that I even want to get into,

938
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: Like at the end of the day, this is going

939
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: to work out, like it needs to work out in

940
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: the end. Anyways. The second is, I think, exactly, I

941
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: think if that's the case, and it probably was, because

942
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: they know to stay away from Luke p drama. That

943
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: that's probably what it what it was, and that's really

944
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: it's great. All I can say is that on Crystal season, uh,

945
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: Britt came back from her date with him and said,

946
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: and then we took a nap, and then the cameras

947
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: left and we went to his room and we slept together,

948
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: just took a nap and ate food and talked and

949
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: we were all admittedly fired up over it. Yeah, I

950
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: think that's fair. I mean, I remember back in the day,

951
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: the famous episode where Caitlin and Sean had their moment

952
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: kind of in front of me, uh, and definitely we're kissing,

953
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: and I was fired up, like I was jealous, I

954
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 1: was envious, I was everything like it wasn't okay. And

955
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: and but I think the way Caitlin I discussed it

956
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: made it at least understandable, because when we sat down,

957
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: it was you know, why was this as a decision

958
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: that you made? Where do I stand in your life?

959
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: Like can we talk through like what your thought process was,

960
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: and where do you want this to go from here?

961
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: Like ideally where do we go from here? And it

962
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: all worked out like in the day when I was

963
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: let go in Ireland. That no longer was a concern

964
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: of mine because we had discussed it and I had

965
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: become in support of her, when the other guys in

966
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: the house maybe would be still upset about the fact

967
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: that you know, she hooked up with Sean, or that

968
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, Nick came on the show and they had

969
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: a series of dates or whatever beforehand, like it would

970
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,959
Speaker 1: all like. Because we had been able to talk it out,

971
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: it allowed me to be in a position of support

972
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: for her instead of one of with the army going yeah,

973
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: she's wrong, right, all right? Well, what an interesting situation. Yeah,

974
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: what an interesting scenario. One of the most compelling um

975
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: situations that we've seen in recent Bachelor history. I think

976
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: it's only gonna continue for luke P. I'm not a

977
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: fan of what happened this week with him. It's a

978
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: dangerous communication style. But I want to hear your thoughts

979
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: as well, because I do think this will be controversial.

980
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: I think there'll be people, maybe not on luke P's

981
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: side on how he did it, but just the response

982
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: to would you feel jealousy or if you if you

983
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: could put yourself in the Bachelor world for one episode

984
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: or one season, and this happens. How would you have responded?

985
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: Please email us, tweet us, make sure you hashtag the

986
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: almost famous podcast so we can see it. Um Ashley

987
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: skipping over this now as much of a conversation it is.

988
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: Can we go into the group date that I know

989
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,480
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992
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1017
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: goes this group date Ben? I mean it was so

1018
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: much fun and can we just admit that Hannah was

1019
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: a little bit tipsy off that moonshine, and I think

1020
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: it was really good for her. It always is. I

1021
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: don't know how much Hannah is choosing to drink during

1022
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: her season, but I know for me, I chose to

1023
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: drink very little. I was nervous and there's a lot

1024
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: to do. But there was a date in Mexico where

1025
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: I let loose and I had a few drinks, and

1026
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: it makes this whole thing really fun. She was having

1027
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: a blast at this market, and the guys were having

1028
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: fun with her. You can just see like everybody's energy

1029
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: levels are up. It's interesting. I feel like every point

1030
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: in most seasons this group dates typically goes pretty well, right.

1031
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't feel like there's a lot of pressure.

1032
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: There's still enough guys there where you can kind of

1033
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: kind of figure out who's going to go home and

1034
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: who's not. But there I also think that we have

1035
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: we have some recourse from repercussion from the conversation Hannah

1036
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: had with the guys a few weeks ago when she said, hey,

1037
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: idiots like you guys continue to make this thing hard

1038
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: for me. Can you stop? Like, can we just have

1039
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: fun so we can see if this thing is going

1040
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: to work or not. And I think the guys are

1041
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: probably still like acting in a way that yeah, they're

1042
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: enjoying themselves, but she has made sure that their mindset

1043
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: is on having a good time, joy and fun and

1044
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: not how do we make this as dramatic as possible? Right? Exactly?

1045
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: The one thing I want to talk about the group

1046
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: day that I want to believe so much. But now

1047
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: Jed and his player way is because we know if

1048
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: confirmation that Jed is a player. I'm just feeling the

1049
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: same way about Tyler again because he's just like a

1050
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: little bit too smooth with lines. He's like, I saw

1051
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: you in that white dress and you're just heaven sent,

1052
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to make you feel specially,

1053
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: that's the kind of woman I want to be with.

1054
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think. I just like,

1055
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I have my my player. My player

1056
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: hat is on right now. My siren is at the

1057
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: top of the hat. And every time I see Jed

1058
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: during this this whole episode, it goes off, of course,

1059
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: but now I think because it's sitting on my head,

1060
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm feeling that way again with Tyler. I want to

1061
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: see Tyler be real, like he's not saying anything of substance,

1062
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,959
Speaker 1: and I know Tyler, we're gonna I'm gonna just get

1063
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: blown up because Tyler has a huge following. He's a

1064
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: good looking dude, he's a lot going for him, and

1065
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: there's no like red flags yet with me with Tyler,

1066
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: but I don't think he said anything real yet. You

1067
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: guys are just talking about it earlier. It feels like

1068
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: he says the right things. It's not hard to go

1069
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 1: into a date and say a few lines to make

1070
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: anybody feel special. But there's no vulnerability yet, and that's

1071
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: what I want at a summit one of these guys, like,

1072
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: none of these guys have showed any vulnerability at this point.

1073
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: And and before you all say come on, this is crazy,

1074
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: Hannah has even said it. She said it a few

1075
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and she says, I know nothing about you

1076
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: and you know nothing about me. All we do is

1077
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: have a good time and say the right things. Yeah,

1078
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Luke says beautiful like pretty words, and he

1079
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: says things that are out of romance novels. But I

1080
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: just know I was gonna say, I don't think you

1081
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: has said a pretty world words since the beginning of

1082
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: this thing. I have no idea why I said. Luke

1083
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: Tyler says such pretty things every He's like out of

1084
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: a Nicholas Barks novel. But I just I'm just a

1085
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: little bit concerned now because you know why, because as

1086
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: a girl, I love to fall for things like this.

1087
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: And I say, I know that it sounds like he's

1088
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: playing that he said these things a zillion times to

1089
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: a zillion different girls. I want to believe it. Can

1090
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: you just let me believe it? And then I'll be

1091
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: watching or getting feedback from a guy from a male

1092
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: point of view, and then they'll be like, this guy

1093
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: is so full of deep you know, he is full

1094
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: of crap, and I'm like, really, oh, you're killing my dreams.

1095
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: But I think that in situations like this, you have

1096
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: to take advice from you have to hear the feedback

1097
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: from guys, because I think that they know how to

1098
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 1: spot players way better than girls. I mean, let's let's

1099
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: all take a second here. Actually, you're in a committed

1100
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: relationship with a man who loves you dearly and who

1101
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: wants you to feel as special as possible at any

1102
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: moment of the day, now granted on a nice date

1103
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: night or on a morning that it just hit hits

1104
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: him in the heart. Jared, I'm sure looks at you

1105
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: and says, actually, you look beautiful today, or Ashley like,

1106
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm so lucky to spend my life with you. Like,

1107
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: but that's not happening all the time. And for the

1108
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: most part, when you communicate with Jared, I'm assuming it's

1109
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: out of vulnerability, it's out of confiding each other. It's

1110
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: real life stuff. And you know that, like the part

1111
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: that you love about him is not the pretty words.

1112
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: He says, Yeah, it's funny that you said that, because

1113
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: last night when we were talking about Tyler, he was like,

1114
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: I would never tell you you stood there in that

1115
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: white dress. You know, it would be funny, right, it

1116
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: would be billy, You would laugh at him. So I

1117
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: look at this and I'm saying, hey, Tyler has yet

1118
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: have proved us and he's a player. He obviously doesn't

1119
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: mean kind of like we said with the Pete situation,

1120
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: we look at a guy like Tyler and we shouldn't

1121
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: judge him for it because he's good looking, he has

1122
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: a lot going for him. He's ripped. He says the

1123
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: right things are assumption is player. But we don't know

1124
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: that yet. We we can't. But with Jed, which we'll

1125
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: get too later in the podcast, everybody's wondering. Yeah, if

1126
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: anybody's wondering if we're gonna talk about Jed or night

1127
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: we are, it'll be at the end of the podcaster.

1128
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: To stay tuned, we can read right through it now

1129
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: because we have physically tangible examples of it. Actually, there's

1130
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,479
Speaker 1: there's something I want to talk about because I feel

1131
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: like there's one guy that has even touched the line

1132
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: of vulnerability this season, who seems like a good dude

1133
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: who I'm a fan of and I think you are

1134
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: as well. He's been in our top three a lot

1135
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: this year. UM, good looking guy. We don't see anything

1136
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: from him ever, and when we do, he seems to

1137
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: not give off a player vibe. He doesn't just say

1138
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: the right things. If anything, it feels like he's trying

1139
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: really hard just to get time with Hannah most of

1140
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: the time. It's Connor. Why aren't we see anything from him?

1141
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the only reason that I've eliminate,

1142
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: eliminate Connor in my head is because he just feels

1143
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: very young to me. But is he I mean, what

1144
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: is he's like her age or whatever. It's just I

1145
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: don't I don't know why I keep just disregarding him

1146
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: in my head. I guess it's because we're not seeing

1147
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,959
Speaker 1: much of him. It's it's a little frustrating me, ash

1148
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: like it is because I do think and again, I'm

1149
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 1: seeing very little amount of their life. I do think

1150
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: Connor has shown, at least on a consistent basis, to

1151
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: not say the right things, or try to say the

1152
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: right things, to try to get time with Hannah, to

1153
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: do small little gestures to make her feel special. And

1154
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: I do think that, if anything, he carries enough to

1155
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: continue to try. And I'm not seeing anything from him.

1156
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: And maybe just Hannah isn't that into him, But we

1157
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: haven't heard that side either. Yeah, you're right again, I'm

1158
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: not a great judge, uh sometimes with this stuff. But

1159
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: how has Connor not captured the hearts of every woman

1160
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: in America? I mean, Tyler has, but Connor has a boyishness,

1161
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, is it? I mean, that's interesting. That's

1162
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: a great point. If it's the boys boyishness, then that

1163
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: makes sense. He looks at your college kin. To me,

1164
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: he looks like the boy next door. Tyler is in

1165
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: a similar way with like his looks and all that.

1166
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: But I think that Tyler presents himself more manly. Okay,

1167
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: that's fair. I think that's a fair take. It makes sense.

1168
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: It just my my take from this episode is I'm

1169
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: frustrated because I want to see more Connor. I like Connor,

1170
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: like a con is not the kind of guy who's

1171
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: gonna push you against the wall and like be like

1172
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: super romantic. He's going to be like the guy who

1173
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: takes you like a cute date and then you hold

1174
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: his hand and it's cute, but he doesn't like give

1175
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: us sexual vibes. Well, hey, this group date was fun,

1176
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: it was exciting. Um, it was enjoyable to watch. There

1177
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: was great things that happened, but actually just brought up

1178
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: a great point. He doesn't give you off the sexual vibes,

1179
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: the vibes that will push you up against the wall

1180
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: or push you onto a sauna. And that's exactly what

1181
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: Pilot Pete did. As we talked about earlier in this podcast,

1182
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: Pilot Pete went all out. We saw some wild things

1183
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: from Pilot Pete again, kind of like the Colton and

1184
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: Hannah ge scene. I was watching, like, hey, this is

1185
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: an intimate moment, and I'm glad the cameras shut the

1186
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: door and left because let these two people be they

1187
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: need Oh my god, I was thinking about the cameraman

1188
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: so much, about how the fact that he was probably

1189
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: sweaty and couldn't breathe then had to watch them do that.

1190
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: It was so it was so intense and and in

1191
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: a sense I'm gonna use the word beautiful like it

1192
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: felt real. It felt like Hannah was letting her guard

1193
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: down again, and it felt like Pilot Pete was enjoying

1194
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: the moment as well. And it didn't feel like, hey,

1195
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: let's just hook up and hey we're dating, we only

1196
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: have a few minutes. It felt like a very intimate

1197
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: scenario between two people who were beginning to care about

1198
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: each other and who needed it. Honestly, in this whole

1199
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: my only like negative from all of this is with

1200
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: you is the poor cameraman. What a terrible job, like

1201
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: sweaty Sanna, big old camera on your shoulder and your

1202
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: ten feet from two people going at it. I truly

1203
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: thought that you're right, this was more of a romantic

1204
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: scene than it was watching two people huk up. I

1205
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: wonder what Hannah Hannah has text or tweeted quite a

1206
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: bit this last week about her grandfather and how big

1207
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: a fanny. I think she calls him granddaddy of the show,

1208
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: or I wonder what granddaddy felt watching this because I

1209
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: watched one episode with my grandma and their response. As

1210
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: supportive as she is, and she was very supportive and

1211
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: tried to be their response is never the right words,

1212
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 1: the right thing, like it's either oh, that's sweet or wow,

1213
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: like you really like him or like her? Huh, Like

1214
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: it's always the thing that makes you cringe a little

1215
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: bit inside. And because it's your grandparents and it feels

1216
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: weird for them to know that side. Oh yeah, totally.

1217
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: My Grandmo would call him like, did you make the

1218
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: funniest comments after watching me on the show. It's uh,

1219
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: it's interesting to see the pilot Pete one on one.

1220
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: I think he's in for the long haul. We'll see

1221
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: Pilot Pete for a few more weeks. We talked about

1222
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 1: in length. Moving on now, Jed the Jed Uh he

1223
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: made a special appearance. He didn't have a one on

1224
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: one this week. He didn't get a rose before the

1225
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: rose ceremony, and this man is an expert at getting

1226
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: a rose before the rose ceremony. He showed up after

1227
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: Pete's one on one and serenaded her from the street

1228
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: as Hannah watched from her balcony and talk about a

1229
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: fairy tale, right. She even said like this is what

1230
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: fairy tales or romance novels are made out of. But

1231
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: the thing is romance novels usually don't have that component

1232
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: of having a girlfriend back at home. Yeah, so I

1233
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: think this is obviously an obvious question. And actually, I

1234
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: want to just throw it to you. Is this this

1235
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: scene I've honestly just made my stomach her It was uncomfortable.

1236
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: It was really weird. And and honestly, I think and

1237
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: and here's my take, and I want to hear yours now.

1238
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: My take is even if Jed, if we didn't know

1239
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: this about Jed still having an ex or dating a

1240
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: girl up into the show and telling her that he

1241
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, all the things, he's sweet nothings he said

1242
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: to her right on the moment he left, even if

1243
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: we didn't know that side, I still think that this

1244
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: moment would have made me feel weird. I don't love

1245
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: these like, Hey, I'm gonna go out of my way

1246
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: to go see you because here's my thought. And then

1247
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: I want to throw it to you for all of

1248
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Jed. But if everybody out there listening,

1249
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: I felt this is a good moment to kind of

1250
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: give a behind the scenes take. Um as the Bachelor

1251
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: Bachelor at you spend you know, four your forty dates

1252
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: in the season, you spend three months close to it

1253
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: dating consistently, you're exhausted, like really tired, and as much

1254
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: as you might love people, and you really appreciate the

1255
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: people that are there to date you and that you're

1256
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: trying to figure out if you could spend a life with,

1257
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: like you might really love them, but even like in

1258
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: the most deep pieces of love, like you need time

1259
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: away and you need time apart. And so here's one

1260
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: thing that I didn't love about this. Really two things.

1261
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: One is I don't love any dude that's or anybody's

1262
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: gonna show up and serenade you from the bottom of

1263
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: a balcony. I think that's sweet, but that gesture has

1264
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: been pulled off many times in history. It's nothing unique.

1265
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: Get over yourself. The second thought, and granted, I'm really

1266
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: angry at Jed right now, he's I'm not a fan

1267
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: of what he did at all. The second thought is this,

1268
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: if you really cared about the bachelor or bachelor, you

1269
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: know they've been on a long date. You know that

1270
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: date has been really you know she's probably at home

1271
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: or he's at home trying to process what's been happening

1272
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: and what that date did. And they're also trying to

1273
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: rest and relax because they've got a whole another date

1274
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: the next day. The last thing I really ever wanted

1275
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: to see and do was that, probably eleven o'clock at night,

1276
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: have anybody else show up to my door, because because

1277
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: that means the cameras are back in my room, that

1278
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: means I'm back on that means I'm back into conversation,

1279
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: that means I'm cuddling again. And quite honestly, after seeing

1280
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: like the Pete date, you just got after it with somebody,

1281
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 1: you don't really have the energy to get back after

1282
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: it again. At least I wouldn't, Okay, So you definitely

1283
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: see it from the Bachelor batchelor at Leeds point of view,

1284
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: And if if I was in that position, You're right,

1285
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: I'd be pretty annoyed to finally get my alone time

1286
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: then have it interrupted, because alone time is very important

1287
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: to me, and I know it's also very important to Hannah.

1288
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: The only case in which I'd be down for one

1289
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: of my favorites to come and serenade me or spend

1290
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 1: time with me at night after another one on one

1291
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: would be if I went on one on one with

1292
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: somebody who I was like lukewarm about, like who I liked,

1293
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: but who I was probably thinking about others while I

1294
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: was with And then if one of those others showed

1295
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: up at the end of the night, I think it

1296
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: would be able to confirm my feelings for them a

1297
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: little bit more. And it may just be nice to

1298
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: be like, oh, somebody that I had like, really am

1299
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: excited to see and really am excited to touch. Um Jed,

1300
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm tired of this song though, it's like, get a

1301
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: new song, buddy. But now, of course I say this

1302
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: because I'm annoyed with him. Everything seems contrived. Everything just

1303
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: is so yucky to us. Now it's it's so annoying

1304
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: because this would have been a romantic moment, at least

1305
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: from a girl's point of view. Maybe maybe Ben's right there,

1306
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: maybe it has been overdone, but it would have been

1307
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: romantic and it would have been everything that we had

1308
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: wanted to see. We probably would have like passed out

1309
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: due to like all the swooning, but the entire time

1310
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: we're like, what a phony bologne, what an owl? Everything's

1311
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: just a move for him. So you know, maybe I'm

1312
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: envious two because I can't sing. That could just be

1313
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: a movie. When I see this stuff is like I'm

1314
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: not that guy. Like if I stood at your balcony

1315
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: and saying to you like it's a comedy act, like

1316
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna laugh, it's gonna be funny, Like this is

1317
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: not gonna be sweet. You're gonna go then either get

1318
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,799
Speaker 1: off the street or come up here and like salking

1319
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: your unskilled you know. Ways. Actually, I want to pause

1320
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: here because before we get to the podcast, I have

1321
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: a few questions that I want to throw off to you.

1322
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: I was always a little hesitant on Jed, not knowing

1323
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: any of this, But just like you said that you

1324
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: you're a fan, your thoughts on Jed have obviously changed,

1325
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: and I think it's time now in the season for

1326
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: us to start looking at She's obviously into him. He's

1327
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: gonna make it a long ways. We're as viewers now

1328
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: a little angry what happens, Like how does this play out?

1329
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: How does the show respond to what's been made public?

1330
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: What goes on from here on out? Where are we

1331
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: able to support this relationship at all, if they're together

1332
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: or not? Based on what we know about Jet. Before

1333
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: I get into that, I want to talk more about

1334
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: the musician thing for just one second. It's almost like

1335
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: we've seen Jed sing more than we've seen Jed speak

1336
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: to her, So I feel like he's like hiding behind

1337
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: his musician talents, you know. Oh, but he's not there

1338
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: to get it famous. Oh yeah, well that's right, isn't

1339
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: it kind of crazy the way. I don't know if

1340
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: we talked about this last week, but I'm surprised by

1341
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: how much they've let him perform, because there have been

1342
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: other musicians on this show before, and they've never been

1343
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: able to sing this many times. I wonder, actually if,

1344
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: at some point, because we obviously know this news of

1345
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: him having somebody back home came out probably during the

1346
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: filming of the show, after a while, I would assume,

1347
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: I wonder if the show is trying to show us

1348
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: the real Jed, and then at some point the show

1349
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: will actually break down and show us that he was

1350
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: never out for the right reasons that they're trying to

1351
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: show us, Oh, he was really always trying to sing.

1352
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 1: He was always trying to, you know, show his talents

1353
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 1: and his skills to her. And then at some point

1354
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: later on it all makes sense when they say, oh,

1355
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: but he also has a girl at home, and he

1356
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: also was the first to say I'm not here to

1357
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: get famous, right, I know. I I agree it could be.

1358
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: It could be a mechanism showing all the all these

1359
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: musical performances and very little talking with two the two

1360
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: of them. I to go back to your question, your

1361
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: other question. I feel like she's constantly if she does,

1362
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: if Hannah ends up with with Jed, She's going to

1363
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: constantly have trust issues. She's never going to feel like

1364
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: the origin of their relationship was uh clean. She's always

1365
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: going to have doubts. If I don't know, I to

1366
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:59,759
Speaker 1: play devil's advocate. You can just you can say, Okay,

1367
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: he went on with a girlfriend, He went on to

1368
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: promote his you know, his business basically, but he um

1369
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: along the way found the love of his life. And

1370
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: no one, especially him, would have ever expected that to

1371
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: be the way that events turned out to be. But

1372
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: that's truly how he feels that Hannah is the love

1373
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: of his life. I don't know if we're ever going

1374
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: to believe him even if that is the truth, right,

1375
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I'll have a hard time, I will

1376
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: and a little bit of cynical and and a lot

1377
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: of little bit of seeing this thing play out before

1378
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: in different past seasons. If that's the case, Uh, we

1379
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: should we should all try to get to a place

1380
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: of celebrating them as a couple. But I will have

1381
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 1: a hard time with that. M hmm. If they are together,

1382
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: I know we're like really jumping ahead. We have like

1383
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: five weeks left, But if they are together, I would

1384
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: just I would think that she should probably not be

1385
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: with him. If they are together. Actually, this after the

1386
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: Final Rose will be one of the most intense episodes

1387
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: of all time. Can we imagine right now, like a

1388
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: live episode where he sits out there and Chris Harrison

1389
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: questions him and the crowd booze and all those things

1390
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: like it would be wild? Hey, um, actually want to

1391
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: close with a few thoughts and take away from the

1392
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: episode before you let us know who goes home, which

1393
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: is obviously um Dylan and uh you remember his name, Dustin?

1394
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: Don't even remember his names. I don't think I ever

1395
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: heard him talk. Poor guy. He did get a group

1396
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: date rose early on. I am uh, I'm now I've

1397
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: been told by our Twitter following that I'm no longer

1398
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: allowed to talk about self describing, so I will not

1399
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: do that, um, but I will bring up something else

1400
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: that has now annoyed me about this show and about people. Uh,

1401
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: and I would love to throw it out there for

1402
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: you and our listeners to also get mad at me

1403
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 1: about There is this communication style that's going on right

1404
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: now in the in the season where when guys want

1405
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: to have a really tough conversation, they open up their

1406
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: original statement by going, I'm gonna be completely honest here. Oh,

1407
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be completely real. Mostly it's Luke p but

1408
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: Tyler also did it this episode as well. But in

1409
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: the and they always say but in this moment, like,

1410
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: I just want to be completely real with you, which

1411
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: makes me assume that at some point you're not being

1412
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 1: completely or at some point you're not being completely honest.

1413
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: To play Devil's outvocate again on this one, I think

1414
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 1: it's a way of people to start a conversation letting

1415
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: them know that it's not going to be an easy

1416
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: one and it's going to be a little bit deeper

1417
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,799
Speaker 1: than normal. They're just like preparing them for the state

1418
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: of the conversation. But as Evan mentioned, that would be fine,

1419
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: and I would agree with you if their follow up

1420
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: was about having a deep conversation, But typically the follow

1421
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: up at least from Luke p has been about or

1422
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: about himself or about himself like I'm gonna be completely

1423
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: honest with you, like, uh, I'm you know whatever. Whatever

1424
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: he says about himself, it's never this deep conversation. It's

1425
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: always just like, hey, in this moment, I'm gonna tell

1426
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: you exactly how I'm feeling, Like why why do I

1427
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 1: have to say that? Why do I have to preface

1428
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: anything with At this point, I'm not gonna lie to you,

1429
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: like I don't know you're You're totally right. I think

1430
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 1: that people don't mean it literally, and it goes along

1431
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 1: with when people go literally I just ate a banana

1432
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh no, no, really figuratively ate a banana.

1433
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: It's the exact same thing. I need to know though,

1434
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: from all of you listeners, because I love you dearly.

1435
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: You've been great to us for the last two years.

1436
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: Um and Ashley, I want to hear from you as well.

1437
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: Am I crazy? Like the self describing thing, I'm done with.

1438
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: I know I probably just continue to talk about it

1439
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: too much. This situation is a communication thing that really

1440
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: annoyed me and got under my skin. Is that me

1441
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: just being overly annoyed, too sensitive? Or do I have

1442
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: a point? I think been an Ashley at I heart

1443
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: Meta dot com And actually, what do you think? I

1444
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit of both. I think you're

1445
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 1: a little sense off to it. But I think you

1446
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: definitely have a point, and we should stop saying as

1447
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,560
Speaker 1: much as we do fair enough. How many times do

1448
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: we start? Honestly, I've yeah, no, I don't like it either.

1449
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: It's like, oh really not honestly, we should fix it. Hey, Ashley,

1450
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,719
Speaker 1: any emails out there that we want to read, let's

1451
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: just do I got one real quick. We can start

1452
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: with and and why I'm reading pick one out here?

1453
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: It's from Lauren. It says Jed's X I want to

1454
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 1: reach out regarding the recent news about Jed having a

1455
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: girlfriend before going on Hannah season of the Bacherette. Well,

1456
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 1: I'm sure this happens more than we find out about.

1457
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: I truly felt for this girl. I recently dated a

1458
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: guy who moved to Nashville to further his music career. Oh, surprise, surprise,

1459
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 1: and a few months after the move decided he no

1460
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: longer wanted to be together. I decided to reach out

1461
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: to Haley to let her know that she's not alone,

1462
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 1: and how strong she was for coming to share her story.

1463
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 1: I must say she appreciated it more than I could

1464
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: have ever imagined and is one of the sweetest people

1465
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: I've ever talked to. Hey, just to give all of

1466
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: you good listeners a clue, we've brought it up and

1467
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: you might not listen to the last week's podcast. Jed

1468
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: in the news last week it came out that he

1469
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: had a girlfriend going onto the show. He was texting

1470
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: her as he was getting the plane, saying that he

1471
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: liked her body, he liked her spirit, all these things, um,

1472
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: and that when he got back from the show he

1473
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: pretty much ignored her or what the cool kids are

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Speaker 1: calling it these days, ghosted her. Um. So Lauren reached

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01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: out to Jed's X. It sounds like and that Haley.

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01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: Jed's X responded and it was sweet about the conversation.

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Speaker 1: That's why we're kind of down on Jed right now.

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01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: We're very down on Jed. He had a girlfriend back

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Speaker 1: home and we have text to prove it. Another email

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Speaker 1: we have from Jessica says, I'm a Luke P fan.

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Speaker 1: I know that you guys aren't fans of Luke P,

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01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 1: but I am a Luke p fan. Is he a

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01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: total bro? Yes? Does he say things that make me say, uh, Luke? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: But do I think he's one there for Hannah? Yes.

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01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: He definitely doesn't say all the right things to Hannah,

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Speaker 1: but he does admit when he's wrong. He did give

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01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,440
Speaker 1: her what she wanted this week by telling her exactly

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01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: how he feels. He's treating the guys with respect, even

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01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: when they are tearing him down week after week. He

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01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 1: really doesn't owe them anything but listens and responds. Has

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01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: this season been the everyone is against Luke show? Yes,

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01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: And frankly I'm over it fair enough. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of what we were saying, like, we don't want

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01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: to be mean to the guy anymore. His this whole

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01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: thing is going to affect him in ways that we

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01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: can never imagine. Um, but I do think Luke has

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01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: done uh some consistently really kind of manipulative things that

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Speaker 1: has made us now say, hey, we're not a fan

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Speaker 1: of this, We're not okay with this. And you can

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Speaker 1: be a fan of his or at least supportive of

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01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 1: him and knowing that he's going through a rough thing

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01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:48,759
Speaker 1: right now. Um, let me just say that she says,

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01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: but do I think he is there one for Hannah? Yes,

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01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: but I would say that he I would can repeat

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01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: that sentence, say, do I think he's there for whoever

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01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 1: the bachelor? Right be Yes, So it's not Hannah, it's

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01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: he just wants to win the Bachelorette. I cannot disagree

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01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: with you. Ashley. Hey, Ashley, Yeah, stay in your lane.

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01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 1: I saw a street sign today that said that over

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01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: the highway and I wanted to take a picture, but

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01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, I was driving, so I didn't. I hope

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01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: you always stay in your lane. Don't look left, don't

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01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 1: look right, drive straight ahead, Ashley, because when you stay

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01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: in your lane, you don't cause issues for anybody else. Yeah. Alright, guys,

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Speaker 1: that has been the Almost as podcast this week. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for listening. We adore you guys who

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Speaker 1: have been here for us for the past two years

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Speaker 1: and fifteen million downloads. Thank you so much. I've been Ashley,

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Speaker 1: and I've been been. Follow the Benn and Ashley I

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