1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: And I walked up to my dad and I said, 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: I want to be an editorial cartoonist, which is probably 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: the weirdest thing in the world for an eight year 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: old to. 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: Say, Adale wants to be a cop, a fireman, or 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: go play quarterback for somebody. 7 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: I'm ever played for the Falcons, right, And I could 8 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: have probably started, you know, at that point, but I 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: wanted to be an editor cartoonist. And my dad, bless 10 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: his heart, he gave the best answer ever. He looked 11 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: at me and he said, and You're going to be 12 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: the best one ever. 13 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 3: Wow. 14 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: And that lit a pilot light in my heart that 15 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: helped me get through a lot of really weird moments 16 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: on this career journey and career path because I knew 17 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do when I was eight years old. 18 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 2: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. 19 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, I'm a father, 20 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: I'm an entrepreneur, and I'm a football coach in Inner 21 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: City Memphis. 22 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: Go Middle College Bulldogs. 23 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: And the last part unintentionally led to an oscar for 24 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: the film about one of my teams, not the Middle 25 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: College Bulldogs. 26 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: The movie is called undefeated. 27 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: I believe our country's problems are never going to be 28 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: solved by a bunch of fancy people in nice suits 29 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: using big words that nobody ever uses on CNN and Fox, 30 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: but rather by an army of normal folks, guys, us, 31 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 2: just you and me deciding hey, maybe I can help. 32 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: And today we have another edition of our special series 33 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 2: Supporting Greatness, and this time it's with my buddy Marshall Ramsey. 34 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: I cannot wait for you to meet him and learn 35 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 2: how much you can impact lives through a healthy mix 36 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: of encouragement and tough love. Right after these brief messages 37 00:01:47,160 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: from our general sponsors, Marshall Ramsey from Oxford, Mississippi, Welcome 38 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 2: to Memphis. 39 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: It's good to be here. It's a long drive. 40 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: Good good to good to have you take that hour 41 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: and twenty minute drive up. 42 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: I guess it took us forty five minutes, but I 43 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: wasn't driving. 44 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well there did y'all go together? Yeah? How 45 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 3: I told you this? Marshall lives around the corner from me. 46 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, we really lived like twelve houses apart. 47 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 3: Well perfect. 48 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, go go pick up your neighbor and bring them 49 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 2: to a podcast day. 50 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank your neighbor to a podcast. 51 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 4: By the one and only time that's gonna happen, probably. 52 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: One an early time, everybody minute, everybody. 53 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: Marshall is a buddy and I guess our weird friendship 54 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: started probably fifteen years ago, shortly after Undefeated released, and 55 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: I honestly don't know how we got in contact with 56 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: each other. But let me tell everybody a little bit 57 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: about you and then we'll get into all that. Today, guys, 58 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: is our next installment of Supporting Greatness. For those of 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: you who've listened to us for a long time, you 60 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: know what Supporting Greatness is. For those of you hearing 61 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: us for a first time or having heard of Supporting 62 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: Greatness series, we interview folks occasionally who've achieved what we 63 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: would call public greatness in some discipline and really explore. 64 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: Their world a little bit. But it gives. 65 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: Folks like Marshall and opportunity to pay homage to those 66 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: who have supported their journey to get them to where 67 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: they are today. We've interviewed people like Mike Rowe, Paul Young, 68 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: the author of the. 69 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: Shack We've entered. 70 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: We've interviewed Medal of Honor recipients, and now Marshall. 71 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: Okay, why am I here? 72 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 73 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: Well, interestingly it's a good segue because I was thinking 74 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: about this on the way over. For those of you 75 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: who don't know Marshall Ramsey's name, I would bet you 76 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 2: know or have been touched by him, because after having 77 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: done over ten thousand cartoons, it is almost impossible if 78 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: you read anything that you haven't seen something that Marshall 79 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: has once drawn. 80 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: What do you think about that? 81 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's weird thinking about that a little 82 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: bit this morning. 83 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 3: You know. 84 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: I had a cartoon that I did about Barbara Bush 85 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: a few years ago that was pretty people. I say, 86 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: what was the one that probably was got the most fay? 87 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,679 Speaker 1: That one went so viral? It was the even showed 88 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: it during the funeral. I mean it was in the 89 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: family loved it and everything else. But what was so 90 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: beautiful about that cartoon, for instance, was that because it 91 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: showed Barbara Bush reuniting with their. 92 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 3: Daughter Robin, who died at three. 93 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: She died three. The family he did everything they could 94 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: to help her. I mean it was you got to 95 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: think the science hadn't caught up to she had leukemia, 96 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: and the science had not caught up to that, but 97 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: they had they tried everything to save her. Well, apparently, 98 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: when I thought of the cartoon idea, and I was 99 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: talking with Jenna bush Hager about this, when I thought 100 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: of the idea, because i'd heard she was she had 101 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: had COPD and they were taking off her support. Well, 102 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: my mom had recently died of COPD, so I knew 103 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: what that meant. And I thought, here's a woman who 104 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: had everything, but she'd suffered the worst loss that any 105 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: parent could ever suffer. She'd lost a child. So I 106 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: had that you know, them reuniting. Well, apparently, when I 107 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: thought of that idea at the exact same moment George W. 108 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: Bush when I was on his knees talking to his 109 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: mother about Robin, because she had an oversized presence in 110 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: that family. And so, I mean, I caught lightning in 111 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: a bottle and didn't realize it. But what was so 112 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: special about that cartoon? And this is something I think 113 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: I always tell people that were all artists, because we 114 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: all create something that can change somebody's life and make 115 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: their life a little bit better. Heard from over one 116 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: thousand people who'd lost children, and it wasn't just Marshall 117 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: loved the cartoon it was Marshall. I loved the cartoon. 118 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: Let me tell you about my child. 119 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it reminds me that I'll one day reunite. 120 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: With my that's child that I lost. Yes, it gave 121 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: some people some hope. 122 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 2: So that's it. Marshall is an editorial cartoonist. His story 123 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: about how he got there is really really interesting, which 124 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 2: we're gonna unpack and we'll talk about the people along 125 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 2: the way of that journey that have impacted him the most. 126 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: Thus supporting greatness, who helped support your greatness. Who of 127 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: this army of normal folks in the world that we 128 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: would never have heard of or seen their work but 129 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: for their work in you, you would not have reached 130 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: a level as a cartoonist that pretty much everybody listening 131 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: to me, it's almost impossible. It's not seen something that 132 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: you have done at one point or another, not even 133 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: having known it. I mean, let's be honest. I've read, 134 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: I've seen lots of cartoons, but rarely do I look 135 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: down at the scribbled signature on the bottom corner and 136 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: remember exactly who it was that drew it, even though 137 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: it may have impacted me. And so in this weird, 138 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: innocuous way in your discipline, you reach thousands and thousands 139 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: and thousands and thousands of people, often who never know 140 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: you reached them in the first place. 141 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: I know, it's so funny. It's usually the people that 142 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: are mad that figure out who I am. Those are 143 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: the ones that's right. 144 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 4: So hey, before we get in one cool data point 145 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: two to build you up even more. He told me 146 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 4: that during the pre interview that when you started being 147 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 4: a full time editorial cartoonist, there was like two hundred 148 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 4: of them across the country only. Yeah, which makes it 149 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 4: even harder than being in the NBA. 150 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: One of these people. 151 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's more people in the NBA than there are 152 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: success full editorial cartoonists, and. 153 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: There's maybe, like you thought, like around ten now something 154 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: like that. 155 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: So let me give you a little bit, uh and 156 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: then we'll get into it. He became an editorial cartoonist, 157 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: like Alex said, when they are only two hundred full 158 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: time cartoonists in little country today, you say, there's maybe 159 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: only ten. 160 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: Full time that work for newspapers. 161 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so small fraternity. Marshall has done work at the 162 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 2: ice level. He's a two time Pulitzer finalist, Southeastern Emmy winner, 163 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: and his cartoons are syndicated Nashally by Creator Syndicate. He's 164 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: his work has appeared in the New York Times USA today, 165 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: he's appeared on CNN and Fox News and today he's 166 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: the director of the Mississippi Media Lab, which is really 167 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: interesting and I can't wait for you to talk a 168 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 2: little bit about that. And the director of engagement for 169 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 2: the Jordan Center at the School of Journalism and New 170 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: Media at the University Mississippi, Old Miss Sati Toddi. And 171 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: if you've not heard of old Miss you can google 172 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: ing Kiffin and see the misery he has put an 173 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,359 Speaker 2: old Miss faithful. 174 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 3: He's this guy he coaches at LS. 175 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: You know, Oh, say, I went to I graduate from 176 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: Tennessee and then I know work at Ole Miss. I'd 177 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: never heard his name before. 178 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: Oh you've been burned twice by this guy. 179 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and the mattresses. 180 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: So Marshall, tell us a little bit about your track. 181 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 2: And along the way, who among the army of normal folks, 182 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: these innocuous names that we've never heard that helped you 183 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: get where you are today. 184 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: I think it all starts with I'm trying to think 185 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: of it was me hitting my head on the fireplace 186 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: three times. If that's what gave me my start, or 187 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: the fact that I grew up you know I had 188 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: a yeah, oh yeah, his stories and crowd. That could 189 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: be a whole podcast too, but no. So when I 190 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: was a kid, I was growing up Georgia near Atlanta. 191 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: I had two older sisters. My parents would make us 192 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: sit at the dinner table and talk about what was 193 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: going on in the news every day. It was really 194 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: weird as before phones obviously, I mean phones still were 195 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: connected to the wall. And one day I walked up 196 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: to my dad and this was think about nineteen seventy six, 197 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: So Jimmy Carter, our governor, is running for president. And 198 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: my parents were Republican, but I was thought it was 199 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: just cool that my governor's running for president. And I 200 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: would look at these editorial cartoons on the pages and 201 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: there would be these great pictures of Jimmy Carter with 202 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: huge teeth, you know, tea teeth. That was right, it 203 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: was fantastic, and I was like, I love this, and 204 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: I would sit there and I'd love to draw. So 205 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: that my mom figured out really early to keep me 206 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: quiet in church, to give me paper and crans. Right, 207 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: so she discovered I had a talent pretty early on, 208 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: and I walked up to my dad and I said, 209 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: I want to be an editorial cartoonist, which is probably 210 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: the weirdest thing in the world for an eight year 211 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: old to. 212 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 3: Say, wants to be a cop a cop or a fireman. 213 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: Or go play, you know, quarterback for somebody. I may 214 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: play for the foul right, And I could have probably started, 215 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: you know, at that point, but you know, I wanted 216 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: to be an editor cartoonist. And my dad, bless his heart, 217 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: he gave the best answer ever. He looked at me 218 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: and he said, and You're gonna be the best one ever. 219 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: And that lit a pilot light in my heart that 220 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: helped me get through a lot of really weird moments 221 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: on this career journey and career path because I knew 222 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do when I was eight years old. 223 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: And now a few messages from our generous sponsors, But first, 224 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 2: please consider signing up to join the Army at normalfolks 225 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: dot us. 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That's unbelievable. 230 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: I mean, how many people really won't know what they 231 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 2: want to do in their hate and do it. 232 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I realized I was just generally lazy, 233 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: so I figured that, you know, if I could draw 234 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: pictures all day, that would be pretty cool. 235 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 2: A great story about your dad loved water ski and 236 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: the trauma he puts you through because he wanted his 237 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: son to do it as well. 238 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: His methods of teaching water skiing have been banned in 239 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: seven countries. 240 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: They are now considered child abuse. But as my age 241 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: would considered good old fashioned child rearing. 242 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: I drank so much of the Tennessee River I'm surprised 243 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: I don't have gills. In fact, I had spinal surgery, 244 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: so I've got to scar on my neck and I 245 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: tell people that's what it's from. Well, I tell you what. 246 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: So dad loved to water ski. He water skied at 247 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,479 Speaker 1: seventy eight. Now that's unbelievable. 248 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 249 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: His his name is Dave Ramsey, right, so you may 250 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: have heard of Dave Ramsey. He's named after my dad. 251 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: Because we're cousins, and so our dads are brothers. 252 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: So the financial guru Dave was my first cousin. He's 253 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: your first cousin, that's right. And he's named named My first. 254 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: Name is Thomas and his dad's name is Tom. So there, 255 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: that's got it. Yeah, it's it's it's like, wait, are 256 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: you really Dave Ramsey? I said, yeah, he's my dad, 257 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: he's my cousin. Who's my son. And they're like what 258 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: they're trying to figure that family tree looks like a switch, right, trying. 259 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: To figure that one out. 260 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: No, dad loved to water ski and so he wanted 261 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: me to share in his love. He tried that with 262 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: golf too, and that was a little bit bumpy also, 263 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: But so he took me out. My grandparents had a 264 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: cabin on Fort Louden Lake near Knoxville, so he took 265 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: me out five miles down river because he didn't want 266 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: me trying to escape. Threw me in the water and 267 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: he said, you're not getting out of the water till 268 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: you get up. Well, apparently I have in my genetic 269 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: code on part concrete block. 270 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: Right. 271 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: So he's dragging his eight year old child, who did 272 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: not want to be doing this up and down the 273 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: river and there's I mean literally, I drank a bunch 274 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: of water. And so about five thirty rolls around. He's 275 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: running low on gas in the boat, and he's running 276 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: low on patience. I'm running low on oxygen. And he 277 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: looks at me and he said, we're gonna try this 278 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: one more time and then we're gonna get you in 279 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: the boat and we're gonna come back out here in 280 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: amr and do it again. You're gonna do this until 281 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: you get up. And I'm like no, And so I 282 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: get there. So just imagine this. So I'm a little kid. 283 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: I've got my little ski belt on because they hadn't invented, 284 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: you know, the full vest right ski belt, my skis 285 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: I'm hanging on. He guns it and lo and behold. 286 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: I get up, by the grace of God. 287 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: By the grace of God. Yeah, definitely, there were angels 288 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: that were lifting me up out of the water. 289 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: Like there was music in the background. 290 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: So we're doing it, and I'm saying, we're you know, 291 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: in they're a safe place. When your water skin is 292 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: in between the wake, right, you see, you're in a 293 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: safe it's a little calmer, it's a little safer. I'm 294 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: kind of crouched down still, and I'm looking at my 295 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: dad and I can see him start getting you know, 296 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: he's like thing one and thing two. 297 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: Right. 298 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: So when dad, because he was forty and I was eight, 299 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: but he was really eight and I was really forty. Right, 300 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: So he takes the boat and he turns it as 301 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: tight as he can, and he slings me outside the wake, 302 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: and then he starts driving his circles. Well you understand 303 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: centrifugal force, right, So the boat's doing twenty five and 304 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: the little kid on the skis and doing seven hundred 305 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: and fifty miles an hour. I remember cracking the sap 306 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: barrier and then I hit a stick and it wouldn't 307 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: really stick. It was a log because for some reason 308 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: they raising lower the Tennessee River and all this driftwood 309 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: was out there. You remember the agony of defeat guy 310 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: on Wide World of Sports in the opening. 311 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: Oh coming down the ski JONP yeah, do do do do? 312 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 3: That was me. 313 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: I did like seven cartwheels and the ski hits me 314 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: in the head and I go down hard. You know, 315 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: the little ski belt's trying to keep me afloat. My dad, 316 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: being a compassionate loving man, pulls the boat slowly around, 317 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: gets his paddle and starts poking me with it, and 318 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: he said, hey, are you okay. I'm like about half 319 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: hour and I'm laying there looking at it, and I 320 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: just said go away, and he said no, and I said, 321 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm swimming back and he said, Marshall, it's five miles. 322 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: You can't swim that far. You'll drown. I said, well, 323 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: you tried to drown me just a second ago. And 324 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: he said no, I want you to grab the rope 325 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: and I said why and he said, because I want 326 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: to change your story about how you got back up, 327 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: not how you fell down. And he pulled the rope 328 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: around to me. I got up again, and I've been 329 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: water skiing ever since. And I think about that because 330 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: twenty five years after that, I was sitting in the hospital. 331 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: I just had melanoma surgery, which is skin cancer. Three 332 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: doctors missed it and it's a grace of God. And 333 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: I'm here and I'm laying there and feeling sorry for 334 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: myself because I have quote unquote cancer, which I did 335 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: have cancer, but I was really just like on pain 336 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: pills and everything else. And I feel this pressure on 337 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: my forehead and I opened my eyes and there's. 338 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: My dad pressure like tapping, tapping, so like tapping you 339 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: on your forehead. 340 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: My dad's tapping me on my forehead. 341 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 3: How lovely after surgery? Oh? 342 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: No, no. And he looks at me and he says, get up. 343 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: And I said, I just I just had surgery and 344 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm making excuses and he's like, I'll help you out. 345 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: And I said why. He said, because we're going to 346 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: make your story about how you beat cancer, not how 347 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: you had cancer. And he picked up his son and 348 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: he's probably my side six', one you, know two hundred, 349 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: pounds picks me, up walks me around the. Hallway the 350 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: reason why he did that was because he had cancer 351 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: the year. Before he had a bladder, cancer and he 352 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: would get up every morning after his surgery and he 353 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: would walk and he. Healed and he had a special 354 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: surgery that they did down At Emory university where they 355 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: took a piece of HIS i guess small intestine and 356 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: made a fake. Bladder and he was one of the 357 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: few that had really done. Well he did really well 358 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: with that because he got up and he, walked and he, 359 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: said we're going to change your. Story and that's something 360 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: that has helped me along the way because every Time 361 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: i'm like in a career, situation like WHEN i was 362 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: made part time a few years, ago and that's a long, 363 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: story but and then like WHEN i had spinal, SURGERY 364 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: I i always hear his voice grab the rope BECAUSE 365 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: i know that means THAT i can reframe what's happening 366 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: and look for. 367 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 2: OPPORTUNITY i don't guess it surprises me after hearing that 368 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 2: story that he was water skiing at seventy. 369 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: Eight oh, yeah, yeah what'd your dad do for a? 370 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: Living dad was a, salesman so we moved around a. 371 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: Lot then he got To georgia and he'd went through 372 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: several jobs because he didn't want to Leave. Georgia he 373 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: really Loved. Mariette it was close To. Tennessee and then 374 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: in the, SEVENTIES i guess seventy, Four dad and my 375 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: next four, neighbor who had just gotten out of The 376 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: Air force who's a, pilot decided that they wanted to 377 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: open up a gas, station no, kidding And dad opened. 378 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: Up he became a small. BUSINESSMAN i was really proud of, 379 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: him And i'm Really i've always been inspired by. That 380 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: and he did that up until the TIME i went into, 381 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: college he had a car garage and a gas station 382 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: with his business partner who just recently passed mister. Towery you, 383 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: know once, again you know you're raised by your. Neighborhood 384 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: at LEAST i was in my Neighborhoods Or towery might 385 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: as well been my dad just as much As. 386 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: Dad he would approached you with a paddle, too. 387 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: But he was a little bit more of A he 388 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: was quiet and smiled a lot and, grinned And dad 389 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: was more of the salesman on. That but he did, 390 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: that and then he worked for the bus, barn and 391 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: then he's like every time he'd, retire he'd go home 392 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: and sit down with mom and look at, mom and. 393 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 3: Then he'd go get another. 394 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: Job and he finally became a marshal on a golf, 395 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: course and that that was his last. 396 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 3: Gig and he a golf course sounds fun. 397 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: Too, yeah he had a good. 398 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: Time so along the, way the very first person that 399 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: you feel like supported your greatness was your, dad because 400 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 2: it sounds like his mentality was we're not going to 401 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 2: be a victim of the. Circumstance we're going to change 402 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: the narrative around our own. Stories that's. 403 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: It that's, it and that's that's one of the things that. 404 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: A phenomenal way to grow. 405 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: UP i, MEAN i get how as a kid you 406 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: may not see, it yeah at, first but my, goodness. 407 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: What a what? What what an unbelievable legacy to leave your. 408 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: Son the first TIME i ever told that story was 409 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: at his. Funeral they really they Played Rocky. Top he 410 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: was A tennessee. Graduate they Played Rocky top as they 411 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: pulled the casket out of the out of the, church 412 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: which is pretty. Special BUT i told that one on 413 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: that and my sisters AND i And i'm very blessed 414 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: to have two wonderful sisters, also and we just talked 415 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: About dad. Something we didn't realize a lot of the 416 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: wisdom that he was giving us along the. Way you, 417 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: Know like my, sister, uh she lost her husband to 418 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: A ls which is, terrible, terrible terrible. Disease And adam and, 419 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: Folks adam was an incredible human being AND i miss. 420 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: Him one, day she was just really having a tough 421 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: time and she called Him dad and she, Said, DAD 422 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: i feel Like i'm face down in the. Mud and he, 423 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: said we'll roll. 424 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: Over you, Know oh my, gosh that's one of the. 425 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: GREATEST i felt LIKE. 426 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: I, faced we'll roll, over but you, know the thing 427 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: was but the thing was it you, know he said, 428 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 1: That but then he would you, know he would be 429 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: there for, her. 430 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 3: That good old fashioned common sense. 431 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: Wisdom, yeah and it's it's sometimes WHEN i get, like you, 432 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: KNOW i need to put on my big boy pants 433 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: and quit feeling sorry for. Myself you, KNOW i can 434 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: almost hear his. 435 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 3: Voice it almost feels like a little bit of loving. 436 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: Sarcasm oh, well we did sarcasm in our. Family we 437 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: breathed it like. Oxygen so it's no WONDER i became a. 438 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 2: CARTOON i was just about to, say some of that 439 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: even has to come through and think about the art 440 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: that you. 441 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: Create think about my mother as an art, teacher one 442 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: of the best middle school art teachers In. Georgia she 443 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: won that award a couple of. Times, she you, know 444 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: was very. Good then you get my, dad who's got 445 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: this get up and. GO i, mean WHEN i was 446 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: At university Of, TENNESSEE i switched majors and he, SAID i, 447 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: said what DO i need to? Do and he, said do. 448 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: MARKETING i said, why he, said because there's people who 449 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: can outthink you who can outdraw. You but if you 450 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: can outsell, them you will always have a Living, yeah 451 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: you smart. Guy, NOW i will say this before we 452 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: put the halo too much On. Dad we were sitting 453 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: in Newe stadium because that was our love, language, right 454 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: we could Talk tennessee football, together and so AND. I 455 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: when he got dementiaed later on his, life and that 456 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: was the first THING i couldn't talk to him, about 457 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: AND i started. Grieving you, know the thing About alzheimer's 458 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: and dementia is like you literally get an advance on, grief. 459 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: Right but we were sitting in the, stadium and it 460 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: was right AFTER i was named The Pulitzer finals for 461 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: a second, time which, means by the, WAY i, lost 462 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: BUT i was, close like, horseshoes it does. Count so 463 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: we're sitting there AND i was feeling, cocky AND i, 464 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: SAID i Bet i'm the only two Time Pulitzer finals 465 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: in this whole. Stadium and my dad smiles and he, 466 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: said And i'm the only other person who. Cares it 467 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: was a very very funny. Man but you know, What 468 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: i've got a picture of him hearing me off the 469 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: football field AFTER i got, injured you, Know AND i 470 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: MEAN i treasure that because that's who my dad. 471 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 3: Was we'll be right. Back what amazing. LEGACY i. 472 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: Hope it's, funny how you when you can see when 473 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: you talk about, him it's. Funny and you said he was, 474 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 2: FORTY i was, eight but it was really reversed and everything, 475 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: else but the reverence is very. 476 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: Real AND i were working on a. Truck he had 477 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: pulled this fifty Three ford out of the. Woods this 478 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: was BEFORE i even owned the gas. Station so he 479 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: liked working on the. Cars a fifty three to four pickup. 480 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: Truck it was, red but it wasn't red because it 481 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: was beat, up and so he was restoring. It and, 482 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: NOW i mean he crunched his finger and he let 483 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: out a string of profanity that absolutely would have curdled. 484 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: Milk it was just THE i was, like AND i, Said, 485 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: dad it's not good to say things like. That he, said, 486 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: Well i've got to deal With. GOD i tried to 487 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: do nice things for other. People and then you, know 488 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: that makes up for WHAT i just. Said you, Know. 489 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 3: I've done city. 490 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: School i've never heard that scripture, before but that's. Okay 491 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: that but you, know at his, funeral the line was 492 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: like two and a half hours. LONG i stood there 493 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: for two and a half hours meeting people that kept 494 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: by and, said you, KNOW i had this problem in 495 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: my car and your dad fixed it for. Free you, 496 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: know he was always trying to find ways to be 497 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: able to help people in the. Community and that's, WHY i, 498 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: MEAN i listened to your show AND i hear people 499 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 1: that just they're not you, know they're not doing it 500 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: to be on your. Show they're not doing it because 501 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: they want the. Attention but they just sit there and, 502 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: say you know, what this is my. COMMUNITY i want 503 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: to make it a little bit. Better And dad was 504 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: like that. Too he signed a personal loan for them 505 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: to be able to build a football stadium WHERE i 506 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: went to, school and thankfully they paid it. Off but you, 507 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: KNOW i, mean, yeah so he's like he AND i 508 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: will say. This i'm not just saying Just. Dad it 509 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: was all of our. Parents my friends AND i who 510 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: played football will run into each other at the reunions 511 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: or we talked Through facebook and the usual. Thing and 512 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: most of everybody THAT i went to played football with 513 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: are pretty. Successful but we credit our parents and the 514 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: fact that they invested the time into, us into our, 515 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: school into our. Community for us to be able. 516 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 3: To have a. Shot so, yeah that's, coming that's coming. 517 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: Up that's adolescence AND i guess teenage days right, Right 518 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 2: but at eight you knew you wanted to be an editorial. 519 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: Cartoonist so how does that manifest? Itself you don't typically 520 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: equate a guy who's both an artist and plays high school, 521 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: ball BUT i know you played, football and you, know 522 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 2: maybe there is a degree an editor editorial, cartoonism BUT 523 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: i don't think there, Is So i'm. Curious you, know 524 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 2: you decide what you want to, be and your dad 525 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: says you're going to be the best day one there 526 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: is on the face of the. Planet if that's what 527 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 2: you want to, do how Do where does the track take? 528 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 2: You and who did you run into? Next that kind 529 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: of helped direct that. Tract why it makes Any? 530 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: Patterson she looked at she she used. To she kind 531 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: of reminded me of flow FROM i can't Remember alice. 532 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: Grips, yeah, yeah she kind of. 533 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: Had she dressed up like that one time for. Something 534 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: it was pretty. Funny did you have the b have? Hair, 535 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: no but it was it Was, yeah she could do. 536 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: It she could do. It she was. Great she was 537 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: An english, teacher and NOW i was playing. Football was a. 538 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: Student got, right what's what's her? Name Wanda? Patterson, okay 539 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: So wanda put me on the high school newspaper because 540 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: she HEARD i could. Draw and back, then this was 541 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: back before. Computers we typed up the type and we 542 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: cut it out and we pasted it with glue, sticks 543 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: and sometimes well the type didn't fit or, whatever and 544 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: there were these. Holes so basically ALL i did was 545 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: sit around for like a, month and then the last 546 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: DAY i drew cartoons to fill up the. Holes so 547 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: my first, cartoon oh. 548 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: You mean she when they set the type for the 549 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 2: school newspaper because it wouldn't always, fit there were. 550 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 3: Holes there were holes in the. Paper that was the harle. 551 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: Filler that was my. 552 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 3: Job that's pretty. 553 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: Cool it was, cool and she did she did make 554 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: me write a story and she, said, well you can't. 555 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: WRITE i was, like, WELL i can't, write but that's. 556 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: Okay that was, fine BUT i wasn't going to argue 557 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: BECAUSE i wanted to do the. Cartoons SO i did 558 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: a cartoon about the, library and my very first, cartoon 559 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: AND i thought the next DAY i was going to 560 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: come into school and they were going to be laying 561 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: rose pedals at my, feet and you, KNOW i was 562 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: going to be a hero and they were gonna carry 563 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: on my shoulders on that. Stuff by eight thirty in the, 564 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: MORNING i was in the principal's office with one very angry. 565 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: Librarian what was the? Cartoon it was, Okay so the 566 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: point of the CARTOON i had THE i can't, believe 567 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: let me print. This she had like a Little nazi 568 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: helmet on and a machine gun and at a nest 569 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: at the guard, entrance, saying where's your, past. Sweetie and 570 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: because to get into the library you had to like 571 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: have a lot of your dead grandmother's, hair and my 572 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: grandmos were, alive so that was a. Problem AND i 573 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: mean it was just so. Impossible AND i played football 574 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: AND i worked AND i did a bunch of different, 575 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: things SO i need to get in there and actually, 576 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: study AND i couldn't get in. There and So i'm telling. 577 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,239 Speaker 1: This she's over, there you, know tears coming out of her. 578 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: FACE i feel about three inches tall BECAUSE i didn't 579 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: mean to make her. CRY i don't know WHAT i 580 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: was thinking IF i was going to draw her that. 581 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: Way and the, principal who Was Benny, farmer was his, 582 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: name AND i Love. Benny he was. Great he was 583 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: a fantastic. Principle but he looked at her and he, 584 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: said is that? True and she said, yes and he 585 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: said what and he, SAID i, Said he said, why 586 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: and she said because the kids keep messing up the 587 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: books and he, said that's why the books are there 588 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: for the kids to. Use and so they changed the. Policy. 589 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: BILL i got to tell you. This the last time 590 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: one of my cartoons made a, difference it was, incredible 591 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: but THAT i was. Hooked at that. POINT i, Said 592 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: i'm going to do this no matter. What and so 593 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: BECAUSE i worked on The, stinger It's Bravery High, school 594 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: WHICH i will say That Travis tritt went there, also 595 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: SO i mean there's a few Famous bravery. People but 596 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: that that's WHEN i kind of gave up my dream 597 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: of being an excellent high school. Quarterback well that And 598 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: Pat dye told ME i was too short a Great 599 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: auburn coach AND i was about die who's five, Seven, 600 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: yeah exactly. That the irony was not lost on me 601 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: at the. Moment but then WHEN i stood next To Peyton, 602 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: MANNING i, realized, yeah he was. Right it was way 603 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: too short to play college. Football but, yeah that's when 604 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: it that's when it got. Started So Wanda patterson pushed 605 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: me in a good direction. 606 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 3: Too what when when you sit? Down, okay let me 607 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 3: let me pick a current event. Today Just i'll pick, One. 608 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: Okay number. One it's so hard now to out. 609 00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 3: Satire, satire that's honestly that you read my? Mind? Yeah how? 610 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: When, Okay, Yeah i'll tell you SOMETHING i read in 611 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: the news feed this. Morning thailand And cambodia are fighting. 612 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 2: Again about two months ago they had a ceasefire That 613 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 2: trump went on and said that he was the peacemaker 614 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: of the. World and Now thailand Bombed cambodia's military installations 615 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: Because cambodia apparently did something on a border skirmish and 616 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: killed A ta. Soldier all, right that's ALL i, know 617 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 2: AND i don't know anything about. 618 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 3: It all. 619 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 2: Right i'm just picking that for one, thing and that's 620 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: not typically what you. Cover but just let's say someone 621 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: said to, YOU i want you to draw an editorial 622 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 2: cartoon about this. Issue what goes through your? Mind what 623 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: are the? 624 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: Steps how do you think about? It? What WHAT i? 625 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 2: Know If i'm going to write an op ed for 626 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: THE Usa today Or The New York times or. SOMETHING 627 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 2: i know the, issue AND i kind of know HOW 628 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 2: i feel about the, issue AND i know the POINTS 629 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: i want to, make and THEN i try to be 630 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: half creative and maybe even a little interesting in my 631 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: take on that, issue AND i jot it down AND 632 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 2: i hope it's interesting enough that they want to put 633 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: in a. 634 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 3: Newspaper All, right you don't have. 635 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: Words you may have a few words in a bubble 636 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 2: on a. Picture how does an editorial cartoonist without saying 637 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 2: to his audience in words the point they're trying to? 638 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: Make how do you contrive this thing that you're going 639 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 2: to create to try to tell a story without? 640 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: Words the best cartoons would pop into my head, instantly 641 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: AND i wouldn't have no words, whatsoever and it would 642 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: be an image AND i could draw it AND i 643 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: could go, home because that usually ends up being the 644 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: ones that end up being A pulitzer. Finalist AND i 645 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: would just really think about nine to, eleven for, Instance 646 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: i'm sitting there watching the world ENDING i have a 647 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: child sitting home in a high. Chair i'm wondering what 648 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: kind of world he's going to grow up. In and 649 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: then they show an image of the statue Of liberty 650 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 1: standing proudly before the smoke coming off Of, manhattan AND 651 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: i see that as The statue Of liberty bent over 652 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: with her head in her, hands AND i draw, that 653 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: AND i draw that within an, hour and it's probably 654 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: one of the best Cartoons i've ever. Done that said 655 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,239 Speaker 1: the one the scenario did that? 656 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 3: Cartoon, YEAH i remember seeing that. 657 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: Cartoon, yeah, yeah of The statue Of liberty like with 658 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 2: our hands and our head going what has? 659 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 3: Happened? Right wasn't that the? Idea? 660 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it was just basically she was in shock 661 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: like the rest of, us and you could See and 662 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: it's really funny BECAUSE i look at that cartoon now 663 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: and there's like a little bit of a silver lining on, 664 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: that and that silver lining of any of that because 665 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: it was so much evil On september, eleventh but On september, 666 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: twelfth there was so much. Good you, know we realized 667 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: that there were people running into the, buildings which they, 668 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: suffered but that there were people that you, know on 669 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,959 Speaker 1: our behalfs were. Going there were heroes that, day and 670 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: we paid attention to our, neighbors were we wrote a 671 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: check to, Strangers we came. Together it was a very interesting. Time, 672 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: now If i'm doing the scenario you talk, ABOUT i 673 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: do the same process you would do to do an OP. 674 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: ED i sit there AND i do my. RESEARCH i 675 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: do my homework back in the. Day thankfully they have 676 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: now The, internet SO i can now even CHAT. Gpt 677 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: you know you HAVE, ai but you could do my, 678 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: research find out a little bit more about, it try 679 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: to look for things THAT i could use visually as 680 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: a metaphor and use. That THEN i probably would do 681 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: four or five SKETCHES i would show my. Editor usually 682 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: in my PROCESS i allow the editor to pick out 683 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: of maybe five. SKETCHES i know some cartoonis say if 684 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: this is, it this is the one we're gonna. Do 685 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: but SOMETIMES i trust other people to look at my 686 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: genius to make sure that my genius is not, stupid you, 687 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 1: know BECAUSE i think it's a great. 688 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 2: Idea you might actually do, three four or five cartoons 689 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 2: on the same, thing on the same. 690 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 3: Topic one speaks. 691 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: Best it just kind of allows me to play around 692 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: with the images a little. 693 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 2: Bit and that concludes part one of our conversation With Marshall, 694 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 2: ramsey and you do not want to miss part. Two 695 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: it's now available to listen to together, guys we can 696 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: change this, country but it starts with. 697 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 3: You i'll see you in part. Two