Speaker 1: Podcast starts now, Hello, we are coming at you live
Speaker 1: from New York City, where we are roughly one half
Speaker 1: hour late, which is so.
Speaker 2: So being gas lit because both of us saw major
Speaker 2: train delays that were allegedly citywide. We get here thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: everyone's going to be late. They are major citywide train delays.
Speaker 2: We get here, everyone is.
Speaker 1: Here, everyone's fine, everyone's sitting around with.
Speaker 2: Both of us coming from different places, are both late.
Speaker 1: Well, we were targeted.
Speaker 2: I do think do you think it's part of Trump's
Speaker 2: terror related actions? Of course he is saying we are
Speaker 2: doing no more in studio gay podcasting in this new
Speaker 2: era of America.
Speaker 1: You silence of the A podcasters, you silence truth.
Speaker 2: Well, I do think that's actually there's something to that,
Speaker 2: because if you think about it, you know, we're sort
Speaker 2: of the bottom of the totem pole.
Speaker 3: Start with us.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like starting with public universities and working
Speaker 2: her way up to Harvard. You know, we are kind
Speaker 2: of like the test subject of all State. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then you know, next thing, you know, where's Michelle Obama's podcast?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Why isn't she talking to Sofia Bush about being empowered?
Speaker 1: It's so nice to refer to ourselves as the bottom
Speaker 1: of the zone pole.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, of.
Speaker 1: Course I feel I have to say. You know, last
Speaker 1: night I was I was, I mean New York, and
Speaker 1: I was like, God, New York is just like Paris.
Speaker 1: Never been to Paris, but still the sentiment was there.
Speaker 1: And then today I'm like, you know what, I needed this.
Speaker 1: I needed to be like brought down a few pegs
Speaker 1: because by the subway, by the subway, because I was
Speaker 1: really like, what am I doing with my life?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And now here I am a half hour late, sweaty
Speaker 1: as hell.
Speaker 2: I mean, there really is very seeing me about being humbled.
Speaker 2: There's nothing like running twenty minutes late and then texting
Speaker 2: is there a food in the office because I haven't
Speaker 2: had breakfast and being told yeah, there is a single
Speaker 2: string cheese. There you go, there's a string cheese.
Speaker 1: I actually really respected that you asked.
Speaker 2: That, and I am now I'm in this dilemma. If
Speaker 2: you're not watching on video, I'm holding the string cheese.
Speaker 2: It is check off string cheese, and it might be
Speaker 2: eaten by the end of the episode, or it might not.
Speaker 1: I think you should have why didn't you eat it
Speaker 1: before recording?
Speaker 2: Because there is something about admitting defeat. You know what
Speaker 2: it is. It's like, imagine I'm Lady Gaga okay, and
Speaker 2: I'm running late, and I'm saying, is there anything there?
Speaker 2: And they give me one string cheese? Would Lady Gaga
Speaker 2: eat the string cheese?
Speaker 1: Yes, this logic game is not working for no. She
Speaker 1: would say, well, she would eat it in three bites.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't string it, she'd eat it in three bites.
Speaker 2: She would eat it in one bite because might Donna
Speaker 2: a documentary style? She would say truth or dare say
Speaker 2: truth or dare put this string cheese in your mouth
Speaker 2: one fucking bite.
Speaker 1: I think I think you should have eaten it. I
Speaker 1: think Lady guy I would have eaten it. I think
Speaker 1: Madonna would have gagged upon it. Yeah. I think if
Speaker 1: I think there's something about you know, being so in
Speaker 1: need where then you have to perform how needy you
Speaker 1: were when you get here, or you almost need to
Speaker 1: scarf at and be like God, I was about to die.
Speaker 2: Here's what so okay related to this, h Here's what
Speaker 2: I'm struggling with. Obviously we're late, and obviously we're talent.
Speaker 2: Now you're now you're forced. Now you're forced to decide
Speaker 2: are you going to be so apologetic and humble or
Speaker 2: are you going to walk in and pretend nothing happened
Speaker 2: and say this is how I operate?
Speaker 1: Well, what did you do? I missed your entry because.
Speaker 2: I have I was apologetic. I will, but I stopped
Speaker 2: myself from being overly apologetic because I think there was
Speaker 2: a way I could have debased myself further. And I said, no, no,
Speaker 2: you host an iHeart podcast, bitch, You host an iHeart
Speaker 2: podcast and you have a free string cheese on your
Speaker 2: person that you could eat it at any point. You
Speaker 2: know what I did, and it's tax deductible.
Speaker 1: Okay, First of all, I also apologize, huh, But I also,
Speaker 1: you know, tastefully not overboards that would have been so
Speaker 1: bad that would have made it their problem. Not fine,
Speaker 1: But I I had a half drank coffee and I
Speaker 1: threw it away on the way in because I didn't want.
Speaker 2: To want to walk in late with a coffee. Yeah, yeah, totally,
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's enough coffee. I want to
Speaker 2: get our guests taken on this whole debacle.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear our guests perspective on this
Speaker 1: entire debacle.
Speaker 2: I have to say, we have been trying to get
Speaker 2: this girl on. I feel almost like when we had
Speaker 2: Kathy Griffin on, and not only because they're both ladies
Speaker 2: in comedy that are not afraid to speak out about
Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: That's right, That's very.
Speaker 2: True, because they were both no, no, she's not all
Speaker 2: to speak yet, but because they have, they are both
Speaker 2: people that have been like screamed for on the on
Speaker 2: the discord, on the and the messages we're getting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm When we did the pull, who do you want
Speaker 2: to see on the pod? This person ranked above Lady Gaga,
Speaker 2: all three, him, sisters, all three, all three, because there
Speaker 2: were submissions for even Yeah, there were submissions for him,
Speaker 2: and then there were multiple submissions for just st because
Speaker 2: of course she's the comedian of the trio. So please welcome, actress, writer, model,
Speaker 2: beautiful hair. Have Harry NEPV.
Speaker 3: Hi boy, Hi, So Harry. How are we doing so far? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're doing great. I feel like you walked in late
Speaker 3: and you apologized from a place of power. I feel
Speaker 3: as though it's fine. I feel as though I was
Speaker 3: in Midtown at eight thirty am today to get a
Speaker 3: dry bar at Nordstrom, and I went to a whole
Speaker 3: diner before I got here, I got the New Yorker
Speaker 3: breakfast special at the Brooklyn Diner. Oh so that's who
Speaker 3: I am today. But you relate and that's who you
Speaker 3: are today. And I'll hold that again.
Speaker 2: Are you mourning? Are you a morning diva?
Speaker 3: I'm always in mourning.
Speaker 2: Are you in mourning?
Speaker 1: Yeah, grief is just a part of grief is a.
Speaker 2: Part of life.
Speaker 3: I'm in morning for my life, totally speak of chekop string.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so when you're when you arrive and they
Speaker 1: say they're running, lay tell us what's going through your mind?
Speaker 2: What's going through your mind? Walk us through that.
Speaker 3: No, I already told George, like, somebody owes me something
Speaker 3: like I've won. Like you are going to be apologetic.
Speaker 3: You are going to lay it on a little thicker.
Speaker 3: You are going to act like you owe me something
Speaker 3: and you do. Yeah. Wow, it's great for me.
Speaker 2: The thing is that's how I would feel too, because
Speaker 2: you think I feel you think as the person apologizing
Speaker 2: that you're in the that you're like humiliated and have
Speaker 2: something to prove, and it's like you're just giving the
Speaker 2: other person a gift of being in power in that
Speaker 2: social situation.
Speaker 1: What, George, I have to tell you something. I have
Speaker 1: to come clean about something. Normally, I'm the one that's
Speaker 1: like five minutes early, and you're the one that's like
Speaker 1: five to ten minutes late, and you know me in
Speaker 1: the squad here sort of look at each other and
Speaker 1: go Wednesday, get here today, and we get to have
Speaker 1: this amazing little vibe, this connection, and I get to
Speaker 1: have this power. And today it's been stripped away from
Speaker 1: me in such a huge way, and I'm having an
Speaker 1: identity crisis because of it.
Speaker 2: That is one of the most shocking things you'd ever.
Speaker 1: And even when I walked in I had to look
Speaker 1: at everyone in the eyes and say, like, you guys know,
Speaker 1: it's not normally like this.
Speaker 3: How would I know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's true, And that's true. You would have
Speaker 1: no way of knowing. So that's kind of funny. A
Speaker 1: little peak behind the curtain.
Speaker 3: It's okay, I forgive you. Why are you It's over.
Speaker 3: It's over. It's over.
Speaker 2: Punishment is over, and we are back in power.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I have a new topic.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the new topic?
Speaker 1: Okay, Today I've decided to wear white jeans.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, what do you think about white jeans power
Speaker 2: move resort, It's it's wealth.
Speaker 3: It's like dirt will not be smirched me. I am
Speaker 3: not in the dirt. My hands are not getting dirty,
Speaker 3: neither on my legs. I'm white jeans. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: think it's even more bold and powerful before Memorial Day, Diva, Like,
Speaker 3: is that the thing like Memorial Day to Labor Day
Speaker 3: is like when it's permissible to wear white bottoms.
Speaker 2: But that's the only time when it's okay to be
Speaker 2: a white bottom.
Speaker 3: How do you feel about white bottoms?
Speaker 2: You know, it's complicated obviously because it is my community,
Speaker 2: but I definitely feel like they've had enough time in
Speaker 2: the sun. Really yeah wow, But I here's what I
Speaker 2: think though, that don't you think that saying the whole
Speaker 2: Memorial Day to Labor Day thing is now so passe
Speaker 2: that it's almost like it's more of a power move
Speaker 2: to wear it outside of that.
Speaker 3: No, because I love rules, I love clothes rules. We
Speaker 3: have been stuck in the TikTok algorithm of finding your
Speaker 3: personal style. And everybody is beauty, everybody is fashion, every core.
Speaker 2: Is bring back shoes have to match the belt?
Speaker 3: Yeah, bring back Dogma baby.
Speaker 1: I said, this is one of our friends, and I
Speaker 1: bet you can guess who based on the response. I
Speaker 1: was like, he was trying to dress me, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, this is kind of weird, Like aren't
Speaker 1: the shoes supposed to match the belt? And he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't fucking care what you learned on what not
Speaker 1: to wear in two thousand and three, like you don't
Speaker 1: have to follow any of that.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I do think, though, Harry is right that it's like
Speaker 2: things have gone so far in the other direction that
Speaker 2: we need to rein it back and everyone has to
Speaker 2: actually look like a route floor and ad we actually
Speaker 2: just like three years to get back on track.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Arisa, Yeah yeah, it's like going on the
Speaker 1: Brat diet style.
Speaker 2: It's exactly like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know about belt to shoes, but purse to
Speaker 3: bag yeah, oh no, purse to shoes.
Speaker 1: Shoe no, No matching no.
Speaker 3: Never.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know. Is that do you have to
Speaker 2: Was that a rule that you had to match or
Speaker 2: purse to your shoe?
Speaker 3: No? But I think it's something that is done. I
Speaker 3: see it.
Speaker 2: It's Upper Eastside lady, yeah, or like I don't know
Speaker 2: where that's I've never done it.
Speaker 3: I actually I'm having a memory of trying to do
Speaker 3: it once and having maybe like an elder queen or
Speaker 3: an elder girl or someone really severe who I looked
Speaker 3: up to, very severely and furiously punished me for that.
Speaker 3: The first time I ever went out and heels, it
Speaker 3: was like a Jeffrey campbellita, you know, like twenty eleven.
Speaker 3: I was outside the but I was fighting for my life.
Speaker 3: I was leaning against a brick wall having a cigarette.
Speaker 3: I could barely stand. And this drag queen sees it.
Speaker 3: She cocks me, and she goes, don't let them see
Speaker 3: you take your shoes off.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, to be caught, for her to know
Speaker 2: you were in pain just by the way you were
Speaker 2: leaning on the wall.
Speaker 3: Do not take them USh, do not take your shoes off.
Speaker 3: And I have taken that so to heart. I think
Speaker 3: it is disgusting when the girls do that at weddings
Speaker 3: about Vitzma's. It's unlady like, it's unseemly.
Speaker 2: What do you think of girl having sneakers in her
Speaker 2: bag and putting them on at the after party.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like, who wants to have shoes in
Speaker 3: their bag?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Those shoes are on the ground, they're inside of your purse,
Speaker 3: your toe. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is actually something I noticed when I first sorry
Speaker 2: moved to America is that American people when they pack,
Speaker 2: will just put a toothbrush loose with their shoes in
Speaker 2: their in their bag.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't makes my toothbrush with my shoes, but
Speaker 1: I will sort of throw my toothbrush in the dopkin't loose.
Speaker 1: So whatever else is in that bag, it's touching.
Speaker 2: And are the shoes loose with your clothes?
Speaker 1: No, I put my shoes in a little bag now.
Speaker 1: But that's kind of a newish development.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Honestly, anytime you get a little dust bag, save it.
Speaker 3: I have like a bag of the bags and it
Speaker 3: just like sits in the corner of the closet you
Speaker 3: fished out. Any time you have to travel, hold onto that.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: Also, anytime you're at a hotel, they have those bags
Speaker 3: and the thing, I don't think they charge you if
Speaker 3: you steal them. I always steal them.
Speaker 2: I the secret is stealing things from a hotel. Don't
Speaker 2: look at the bill afterwards. I have no idea if
Speaker 2: I was ever charged for the robe that I stole
Speaker 2: from that it's a really good secret I wear all
Speaker 2: the time. I'm instaging myself in my little robe.
Speaker 3: They charged the robes, you know, you know what my theory.
Speaker 2: There were three in my room, even though then you
Speaker 2: I was just one person and I took one and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, they're not going to notice, because like,
Speaker 2: why would they have three in there? But what I
Speaker 2: think they do is they purposefully put three in there
Speaker 2: so the guest thinks, oh, I can get away with it.
Speaker 1: This is so finances according to George, which is just
Speaker 1: like just don't look.
Speaker 3: How many beds were in the room one. I think
Speaker 3: it was like a king So they're putting three, they said,
Speaker 3: maybe it's yeah.
Speaker 1: They're being very progressive. What are they it's a hotel.
Speaker 3: What do they want to happen?
Speaker 2: I know, I know they're also making me feel like
Speaker 2: a prude because I'm there by myself.
Speaker 1: Where are you?
Speaker 2: I wasn't even having one partner with me, let alone two.
Speaker 2: I guess it's San Francisco.
Speaker 3: I love re staying in a hotel room that I
Speaker 3: know I've had sex and like.
Speaker 2: I have really you specifically request it?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I stay at the Sunset Tower in
Speaker 3: la like whenever someone else is paying for it, and
Speaker 3: there are a couple rooms there where it's just like
Speaker 3: the grinder flash. Yeah, life of ten years.
Speaker 2: I do think there was a in my life where
Speaker 2: I like never wanted to look back, and every time
Speaker 2: I was somewhere where I had been before, I felt like,
Speaker 2: take get.
Speaker 3: Me out of here.
Speaker 2: And I'm actually in a very nostalgic phase right now
Speaker 2: where I actually am like purposely like I'll go to
Speaker 2: my high school reunion. I mean maybe not that I
Speaker 2: wouldn't go that far, but like I'm in a high
Speaker 2: school reunion place.
Speaker 1: When it comes to hook ups, I'm very nostalgic. Like
Speaker 1: I'll have hooked up with someone once in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: and I'll like message them on Instagram. I'd be like
Speaker 1: have you been.
Speaker 3: I have a really distinct memory, probably like five or
Speaker 3: six years ago, of like coming across your Instagram and
Speaker 3: I saw your little mustache and you're a little like
Speaker 3: kind of mullet, and I was like, what's that?
Speaker 2: The moment era was huge for here?
Speaker 3: Is it gay?
Speaker 1: That's funny?
Speaker 3: Is it kind of gay? Are you growing back?
Speaker 1: I'm kind of going back to time.
Speaker 2: I actually I like this length.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a little more tasteful.
Speaker 3: Before it was like full, you.
Speaker 1: Know, trying to be country or something. Yeah, I'm going
Speaker 1: paul as Cow.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I know you were giving the fantasy of like
Speaker 3: the pitchforky like is it straight? Is it all like
Speaker 3: tinder fantasy of twenty nineteen? That's what you were giving.
Speaker 3: You look good then, and.
Speaker 2: You know that's what you would you ever go country?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Countdown to country? When is it?
Speaker 2: If your career demanded it, if someone was like, you
Speaker 2: have to go country.
Speaker 3: Out of respect to the country, No, honey, I could
Speaker 3: not be more coastal. I could not like it's it.
Speaker 3: I am not opposed to the genre. I am not
Speaker 3: opposed to the vibe. I'm not opposed to that.
Speaker 2: You don't think it would be authentic. You don't think
Speaker 2: if you were to go country you could pull it off,
Speaker 2: is what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Actually, now I want to try.
Speaker 2: I think I think you should. I can't think it's
Speaker 2: your next era.
Speaker 3: I know. I don't mean like pull it as an
Speaker 3: esthetic for like ladies and gentlemen. I mean like go
Speaker 3: to Lake Okachoby and see if I can turn it,
Speaker 3: because if I can turn it in like okachobe baby, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of like the equivalent. You know, if
Speaker 2: you were a comedian, you would be like touring the
Speaker 2: country seeing if your material worked on non coastal audiences.
Speaker 2: You bring it back suddenly you're better than ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want access to that. I want to learn
Speaker 3: how to do that.
Speaker 1: Hmmmm, I want to. I wish time was unlimited. Let's
Speaker 1: start there. Well, yeah, because I think, wait, really, I
Speaker 1: wish I could like choose, like I wish I could
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, now I'm going on vacation from real time,
Speaker 1: and I'm going into fake time, sort of the waiting
Speaker 1: room for.
Speaker 3: Mining Granger, literally turning the time. We're huge Harry Potter
Speaker 3: fans ever heard. Oh my god, I'm actually.
Speaker 1: Not really, but because I would love to go work
Speaker 1: on a farm and see if I could do it,
Speaker 1: Like I want a simple life, my life just for
Speaker 1: like a year, but not you lose a year. Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, because think about it if I worked on
Speaker 1: a farm and I got what if like of course,
Speaker 1: you know, think of the montage. Month one, I'm horrible.
Speaker 1: Month three, I know where to get the pig slop. Yeah, totally,
Speaker 1: and I oh, I'm good at carrying it.
Speaker 2: I will say this time.
Speaker 3: Sorry, go ahead, No, I think deserve but like you,
Speaker 3: you don't know, I'm assuming. Okay, wait where are we from.
Speaker 2: I'm from the midwestern Virginia. Okay, yeah, I mostly grew
Speaker 2: up in Greece, but I spent six years in New Jersey.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so okay Jersey high school.
Speaker 2: Like middle school, end of elementary school.
Speaker 3: So like, do you know any of like the coastal
Speaker 3: kids who like, oh did farming gave up on the
Speaker 3: semi charm kind of life? And then like, fully we're
Speaker 3: like bio organic, they them farming like five years later
Speaker 3: and like maybe are still there?
Speaker 2: One of my greatest I wouldn't say regrets, because ultimately
Speaker 2: I don't regret it, but I always would hear about
Speaker 2: those things. And by those things, I mean anything ranging
Speaker 2: from peace Corps on one end and like organic farming Kibbutz.
Speaker 3: Living organic non binary Jewish, non binary.
Speaker 2: Jewish farmer state brand, and I would always be like
Speaker 2: sixty five percent interested, and I'd be like, yeah, if
Speaker 2: I had just like a little an inkling more of
Speaker 2: like the go getter attitude and like the you know,
Speaker 2: less of a fear of disappointing my parents, who like
Speaker 2: wanted me to be an engineer. I would do it.
Speaker 3: Oh, but it felt very much like doing that. The
Speaker 3: whole point was to disappoint h Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 2: I know. But the thing is I was playing the
Speaker 2: long game because the number one way to dispoint your
Speaker 2: parents is becoming a stand up comedian. You ate that, no,
Speaker 2: but I was. Did you consider it?
Speaker 3: No? I wanted to be an actress.
Speaker 2: You wanted to be an actress, Sure, it's true, and
Speaker 2: you also wanted to be in the big city.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, wait where are you from?
Speaker 3: I'm from Boston. Oh, Newton, Massachusetts?
Speaker 1: Got it? Got it?
Speaker 2: Got Should we do our first segment?
Speaker 3: I think we should, Okay, Harry.
Speaker 2: Our first segment is called straight Shooters, and in this segment,
Speaker 2: we test your familiarity with in complicity and straight culture
Speaker 2: by asking a series of rapid fire questions where you
Speaker 2: have to choose this thing or this other thing and
Speaker 2: you have to just go with your gup. And the
Speaker 2: one rule is you can't ask any follow up questions
Speaker 2: about how the game works because we will yell at you.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Harry. The right to remain silent, or the
Speaker 1: fight to regain the big client, the.
Speaker 2: Fight terry game, the big Agnes Varda or a Couslada,
Speaker 2: Agnus Varda, Noche.
Speaker 1: Chester Cheetah or bag about Gita.
Speaker 2: Back about out, mind the gap or grind or chat
Speaker 2: mind the gap.
Speaker 1: Meeting with h R or speeding in a car.
Speaker 2: Speeding in a car a fast car, opposites attract or
Speaker 2: megalopolis fell flat opposite the truck.
Speaker 1: Oh, keep me in the loop or get me out
Speaker 1: of this improv troop.
Speaker 2: Cerid the loop, using Klarna to pay or blaming Karma
Speaker 2: the second because you're okay the like I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: cat dead.
Speaker 3: Larna is so dark to me. And they got all
Speaker 3: the drag queens do with the Clarka's pond.
Speaker 2: Too, because you know they have to use it, Babe
Speaker 2: paid post drag race.
Speaker 3: No, also like Klarna, Like what kind of a name
Speaker 3: is that?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: What what kind of like? It's like a Ryan tricartan character.
Speaker 2: You had one opportunity to name your company. You had
Speaker 2: a brainstorm meeting, you had follow up meetings. There was
Speaker 2: anil that went right up to the COO.
Speaker 3: There are reply alls that said hey, following up.
Speaker 2: I love the direction we're going in.
Speaker 3: Ladies General, Please Klarna, Larna.
Speaker 2: She comes out to like.
Speaker 1: She sucks, she's first eliminated.
Speaker 2: But it's not even in like a miss Van Drey
Speaker 2: fun way. Everyone's like this was a mistake.
Speaker 1: No, she's so flopped.
Speaker 2: We have to rank Harry's performance on a scale of
Speaker 2: one day. So used to be on the scale of
Speaker 2: one to one thousand doves based on the Lady Gaga.
Speaker 2: We recently changed it to zero to one thousand blades
Speaker 2: of Grass in honor of the worst song from her
Speaker 2: new album Bad Bressy.
Speaker 3: Not too much on seventy.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have to say, I mean, I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is close to a perfect score for me. I was
Speaker 2: gonna say nine and ninety nine doves, I mean.
Speaker 3: Blades of press.
Speaker 2: What I loved about Harry's performance is that she, I
Speaker 2: would say, embodied a character of drag Race Judge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very it was very house your head.
Speaker 3: Yet no, because I I want that to happen to
Speaker 3: be so bad. I've not done it no, And I
Speaker 3: feel like they know that I'm in so deep, and
Speaker 3: I feel like they know that I want it so badly,
Speaker 3: and I don't think they're ever going to give.
Speaker 1: It to me, going to come to you.
Speaker 2: But here's my question for you, and we can stop
Speaker 2: talking about this whenever you want, even though you brought
Speaker 2: it up. What would your ideal challenge be that you
Speaker 2: would judge? Oh, do you think, because you obviously are
Speaker 2: a multi high fit it, do you want to judge
Speaker 2: an acting challenge, a runway modeling challenge?
Speaker 1: Arose?
Speaker 3: You know you're sort of the category. Really, I'm not
Speaker 3: a woman in comedy kind of Honestly, I feel like
Speaker 3: I can be more articulate and like an authority about
Speaker 3: a fashion challenge. I wish I were articulate in an
Speaker 3: authority about an acting challenge, but those are still stripes
Speaker 3: that I feel I am earning, or stripes that you know,
Speaker 3: the industry in question is like not going to give
Speaker 3: me yet, but fashion gave it away to me very
Speaker 3: quickly and very bountifully.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're thinking an am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really speaking from a place of power when it comes.
Speaker 2: To fashion, I think runway or you know, photoshit, editorial,
Speaker 2: I know, like the.
Speaker 3: Ball, the Ball challenge, Oh, the Ball challenge. Yeah, Like
Speaker 3: I want to judge like seventy three us no, but
Speaker 3: I also know, but like I would love to judge
Speaker 3: a performance challenge because like I want to be like, hey,
Speaker 3: you're the trans girl, right, like stop thinking about passing.
Speaker 3: Like I can tell that you're doing that little thing
Speaker 3: with your voice, like let it go, baby, let it
Speaker 3: all hang out. I'm not trans.
Speaker 1: I'm just the camera guy.
Speaker 3: I lived in this season, I watched Drag Race, and
Speaker 3: like love Drag Race for the moments were like the
Speaker 3: void bins and like the line between trans and drag
Speaker 3: queen exists. The line between like drag queen and capitalist
Speaker 3: subject like oh yeah, I mean not exists, like like
Speaker 3: like disintegrates, and like Hunter Shaeffer walks into untop to
Speaker 3: this season and she's just sitting there and she and
Speaker 3: she's looking around at all of these like drag queens
Speaker 3: and drag and she's like, are there any dolls in
Speaker 3: the room. Two of them are like yeah, Like because
Speaker 3: you don't know, that was a funny moment.
Speaker 2: I mean, I hate to become a Drag Race podcast,
Speaker 2: but I do want to know your quick thoughts on
Speaker 2: this season because we have decided as a bit that
Speaker 2: we are team Jewels Sparkles.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of and it's actually not a bit.
Speaker 2: We're fully team Jewel Sparkles. Why I think, Well, obviously
Speaker 2: Anya like okay, watching it, I'm like, I'm Anya's gonna win.
Speaker 2: And I love Anya, and yeah, but there's something about
Speaker 2: the perseverance of Jewels. She's always she's always being underestimated
Speaker 2: and she always ultimately turns it out. She has a
Speaker 2: gorgeous just presence. I mean, that face deserves to be
Speaker 2: on television.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's so funny and nice. And then also I'm
Speaker 1: so happy when she starts a little fight, but she
Speaker 1: like does it with like she has like moral correctness,
Speaker 1: Like she's like I know what's good and what's bad,
Speaker 1: and I always agree with her morals.
Speaker 2: And she has charisma which honestly can't be taught. Yeah,
Speaker 2: here's my thing.
Speaker 3: I like my drag queens with like a drop of
Speaker 3: poison in it.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 3: I like the drag queen that like kind of wants
Speaker 3: to hurt something. I like the drag queen that has
Speaker 3: hatred in her heart. I like the drag queen that
Speaker 3: like desublimates the hatred in her heart into like funny
Speaker 3: drag with like a little twisted sense, or like wicked beauty.
Speaker 3: That's like a little like disturbing or like Timmy Brown,
Speaker 3: like just like from outer space.
Speaker 2: So you love Hormona, Lisa, Yes, this.
Speaker 3: Is literally it. It's like I was here for Hormona. I
Speaker 3: was even here for Susie too, because like I don't
Speaker 3: know whether she's aware of the poison, but like the
Speaker 3: poison is there and I live. I love. I love
Speaker 3: the rotted white theater queens. Not that like to Susie
Speaker 3: too is rotted, but like I love like the white
Speaker 3: queens who are just like I'm the one and.
Speaker 2: Such a funny thing to it, right yeah.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: And like I loved the kind of like trans vibe
Speaker 3: of the way Susie would deliver naturalism in the acting performances,
Speaker 3: like you're just an actress, baby, Like the wick is on,
Speaker 3: but like the could really be on if you wanted
Speaker 3: to work. There is a chemical substance stronger than glue.
Speaker 3: No I and I feel in this top four we
Speaker 3: there's a famine of poison. I would actually probably say
Speaker 3: team LEXI love because there's some poison there for sure, right,
Speaker 3: you know she what did she say? It sent the
Speaker 3: whole I host little drag race viewing sometimes on Fridays,
Speaker 3: you are always welcome. But she was on the stage
Speaker 3: and she said the streets, the pipe and the pole,
Speaker 3: all of it.
Speaker 1: When she said that past that was amazing. That was
Speaker 1: like Jerry blank coded, Yeah, this is so great. I've
Speaker 1: never had anyone say that in real life.
Speaker 3: I'm always gonna ride for a queen that's from the streets,
Speaker 3: the pipe, and the poll ideally all of it.
Speaker 2: G Lexy team, Like I guess, I do. I mean,
Speaker 2: I do love Lexe is a star. And it also
Speaker 2: just makes you remember, like, yeah, what we lose by
Speaker 2: all of them being twenty three is that they don't
Speaker 2: have lives they can talk about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the twenty three was glaring this season,
Speaker 1: it was re blaring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's there's drag queens at twenty three who
Speaker 3: have shipped to talk about that's true. I mean it
Speaker 3: used to be like, I don't know, being a drag queen,
Speaker 3: Like it used to be like you were from the
Speaker 3: streets and you were free. This is like your last resort,
Speaker 3: like you have to do this because you cannot pass
Speaker 3: for anything other than a drag queen. But like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, you know, like mistress is about Brooks like
Speaker 3: she's young, she's got a dragon, she was sixteen. That's true, true, true, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we still have those grete queens.
Speaker 2: What did you think about all their parents coming in
Speaker 2: and being so supportive.
Speaker 1: I live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was, it was. It's inspirational. And then
Speaker 2: at some point you're like, okay, so at this point,
Speaker 2: is this just the equivalent of like if your son
Speaker 2: played baseball, like if everyone is so supportive, But like.
Speaker 3: I actually lived extra for like Susie's mom. Yeah, like
Speaker 3: non plus yeah, and I just spit the p and
Speaker 3: plus it was like, well, it's theater training. That what
Speaker 3: I lived for the representation of like a non plustly
Speaker 3: supportive parent. We were talking about this. I'm so much
Speaker 3: more realistic.
Speaker 2: It's so much more realistic, and I really I became
Speaker 2: upset at the fact that they were trying to sell
Speaker 2: us this narrative that Susie's mom was less supportive quote unquote,
Speaker 2: like she was less excited than like a Sam Starr's
Speaker 2: mom or like the or Jules's dad, and you were
Speaker 2: supposed to almost feel bad for her that they didn't
Speaker 2: have this more like kei ky relationship and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: that's what my mom or your mom would be like
Speaker 2: suposed to be, Like, that's what moms are supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Like if my mom was Sam Starr's mom and she
Speaker 2: was like, who here needs help talking?
Speaker 3: I would like not like that.
Speaker 1: Well, there's something we've talked about neutrality on this podcast
Speaker 1: a lot, and there's many realm for it. We are
Speaker 1: supportive politically not politically, of course, but one thing I
Speaker 1: do think we're neutrality really matters is parents' support. Yes,
Speaker 1: like they aren't supposed to hate what you're doing, but
Speaker 1: they're also not supposed to be like gagging.
Speaker 2: I completely that's the only way to raise normal children, yeah,
Speaker 2: is you can't gag too much.
Speaker 1: You just have to be like, okay, cool, like let
Speaker 1: me know how that goes. That's it, like start, that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom gagged, Well you know you're in I
Speaker 3: don't think she's being supportive. I just think I gagged her, Yeah,
Speaker 3: gagged her a bit.
Speaker 1: I fear I.
Speaker 3: Think I gagged my dad too, my stepdad, stepmom, stepdad?
Speaker 3: Why are you gagging?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: Why are you gagging?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I bring it to you every ball I have been Klarna.
Speaker 1: Klarna Clarna documentary when like, it's only a matter of time.
Speaker 2: To expose Clara the company.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Have a list of drag games, but I feel like
Speaker 3: we probably should start talking about Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, well do you want like five of those?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, okay, detritis.
Speaker 3: Oh that's good. Uh Jean Jenna Rams John Jay.
Speaker 2: Quarantine, Quarantine.
Speaker 1: Quarantine would absolutely.
Speaker 3: Be on Kinney Charistmas.
Speaker 2: MARCHIALI, Si, wow, Quarantine is my favorite. Quarantine's really I
Speaker 2: thought there should be a drag name, drag queen named kombucha.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there is somewhere.
Speaker 2: Probably you have to hope, but quarantine is beautiful. That's
Speaker 2: really a nice name. Become her because wait, speaking of lists, Harry,
Speaker 2: you did send me last night an incredible list of
Speaker 2: straight topics and you can choose whichever one you want,
Speaker 2: but I would like you to read the list.
Speaker 3: Yay, I love this. Call me buzzby the way, Yeah,
Speaker 3: stradio okay. Quote clubbing not like partying, not like the
Speaker 3: club club, the art house, interesting, quiet, luxury, drag brunch,
Speaker 3: plastic surgery oh okay, big boobs okay, skinny parentheses, new development.
Speaker 1: I would a little bit more about this, keep going here.
Speaker 3: Male actors, right, yes, being supportive.
Speaker 1: Kindness, Okay, yeah, there's so much there. I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, club I think is such a clubbing in
Speaker 1: quotes is an amazing topic because it is like this
Speaker 1: thing where it's like foreign, like they're like, well, that's
Speaker 1: like that's a thing that some people do. It's like
Speaker 1: a genre person. Now I'm spinning, now my theater trains
Speaker 1: coming out and that for Whereas for LGBTQ plus it's
Speaker 1: sort of like, well, yeah, it's a given part of like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just say I'm going out.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Well, clubbing is about the club. It's about
Speaker 3: like the location. Ideally the LGBT is like we're here
Speaker 3: for the music or like we're here to like get
Speaker 3: laid or like you know, we're here to do drugs. Like,
Speaker 3: clubbing is about the.
Speaker 2: Club, and it's about lines.
Speaker 1: It's about like and it's about like what oh drag Race.
Speaker 3: When no, no, Share is not drag Race exclusive. The
Speaker 3: way I imitate her.
Speaker 1: Is at this point, I think of Sharing more with
Speaker 1: drag Race than anything else. I mean, exists as a
Speaker 1: character in the drag Race universe.
Speaker 2: You know, much like we were talking about John Diddy
Speaker 2: in the other day, there's share the person and their
Speaker 2: share of the fantasms phantasm that exists in culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's much like Sally Rooney and that she's.
Speaker 2: Much like Salaraty in that sense. Okay, Wait, I do
Speaker 2: want to know which which one you ended up? I
Speaker 2: want to know which one you ended up choosing of
Speaker 2: of the of the topics I have to choose.
Speaker 3: Oh, we can also choose together. Well, okay, but I
Speaker 3: also wait, you know I already offered. I want you
Speaker 3: to Okay, we.
Speaker 1: Can spend on skinny prenzies, new development.
Speaker 2: I do want you to expand on that, even if
Speaker 2: it doesn't end up being the topic.
Speaker 3: But I mean, it's it's just like you know, the
Speaker 3: X algorithm. It's like I feel like, if you're gay,
Speaker 3: it's it's about the cutting edge, and it's about being different,
Speaker 3: and it's about especially like the coastal gay, especially the
Speaker 3: New York gay, it's always about going over here when
Speaker 3: everyone else is over there. And like the new thing
Speaker 3: is like I want a big boy. I want a
Speaker 3: big fat boy. Yes, Like it's it's like the two Tours.
Speaker 3: I was like the cut Torso and the Belly torso
Speaker 3: it's like want the belly, like you know, it's we're
Speaker 3: done with cut. We're wow, maybe we're done with cut period.
Speaker 2: Declaring done with I think hashtag done with I'm Paul
Speaker 2: announcing the challenge, and the hashtag.
Speaker 3: Is done with cut. I gotta be cut.
Speaker 1: I gotta be cut.
Speaker 2: She's already done cut hers.
Speaker 1: Well yes, twice.
Speaker 3: Listen. Wow.
Speaker 1: Well okay, so skinny.
Speaker 3: Is the faggots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, I think that is interesting. I mean it is.
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit yesterday about like working out
Speaker 1: in sort of the masculine vibe of it, and I
Speaker 1: do feel like skinny as the ideal body type is
Speaker 1: like a new like republican ideal.
Speaker 2: But you're saying gays when they zig, we zag, meaning
Speaker 2: like okay, we're hashtag done with cut for men and
Speaker 2: then for women? Are we hashtag done with skinny in
Speaker 2: the gay world?
Speaker 3: Well, well, I think that, like lesbian beauty standards are
Speaker 3: always affirmative, like a healthy woman's body, like the straight
Speaker 3: girl standard of trying to be like cute, skinny and
Speaker 3: petitue for like, like, it's like we go the other
Speaker 3: way of that as lesbians. I'm not a lesbian I'm
Speaker 3: trying to I'm using my theater training. I'm using my
Speaker 3: theater training.
Speaker 1: Lesbian Yeah no.
Speaker 3: No, I feel as though the healthy female body is celebrated.
Speaker 3: I feel like I can't really imagine the lesbian. That's like,
Speaker 3: you know, the Chinatown art bro. That's just like I love,
Speaker 3: like an abject little like skinny like indies, like twelve
Speaker 3: year old, like you know, vibe.
Speaker 2: Theater training is absolutely coming out.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm I mean, like, I just I
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm sorry, are you Sarah Snook? This is
Speaker 3: twenty six.
Speaker 2: Different characters are playing the twenty six characters and Dorian
Speaker 2: Gray right now.
Speaker 3: No, but I could you could? You could? No, I could?
Speaker 3: I could play like nineteen, Yeah, yeah I would.
Speaker 2: They would have to cast a different person just for
Speaker 2: the final six. You're doing nineteen, And they're like, she
Speaker 2: has she almost has the right and to do all
Speaker 2: twenty six, but she's just doing nineteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do want to see it. I think I
Speaker 3: think she's the team.
Speaker 2: Well she is, I mean talking about drag she says
Speaker 2: that she's like what she likes better is that she
Speaker 2: gets to be a drag king. She's like, I'm not
Speaker 2: a man, I'm a drag king in the show.
Speaker 3: I kind of identify as a female impersonator on the low.
Speaker 2: Harry, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Please SayMore.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's just like what the girls used to
Speaker 3: call themselves vocationally.
Speaker 2: It's like semantic, like like the.
Speaker 3: Real show girls in like the eighties, who like we're
Speaker 3: living their lives as women, but were also like employed
Speaker 3: as female illusionists and like it wasn't like it's like
Speaker 3: I'm not a drag queen. I'm a female impersonator. I
Speaker 3: embody the look and feel of real like I you know,
Speaker 3: oh that good eighty silicone, like they like the injection.
Speaker 3: Oh if that weren't like illegal and highly dangerous, I
Speaker 3: would be coned down.
Speaker 2: Do you are you thinking of a sort of Pam
Speaker 2: Anderson Baywatch figure?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, it's just like like a BBL
Speaker 3: does not hit the same. No, it's just like a
Speaker 3: little bit of like free silicone injected into your hips
Speaker 3: and a bath tub.
Speaker 2: Yeah, inject me. I'm a free bitch.
Speaker 3: No, Like it's cool. I don't know. I'm obviously not
Speaker 3: trying to like publicly disavow whatever if ias on the record,
Speaker 3: but like I love female. No, no, and like people,
Speaker 3: you know, people who live their life the way I
Speaker 3: live my life with the same whatever, like that was
Speaker 3: the nomenclature. Honey, I'm all about like it's a historical
Speaker 3: that this is also proprietary.
Speaker 2: Don't you think gay guys are male impersonators in some
Speaker 2: way because they're sort of like trying in a huge
Speaker 2: the masks off. Yeah, the masks are and.
Speaker 1: Even like putting on a cameo hate just.
Speaker 2: Like the gym gaze. They're like, oh no, I have
Speaker 2: to have another male body on top of mine so
Speaker 2: that I can feel like a man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just protein instead of silicone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's protein instead of silicon, and silicon is so
Speaker 2: much more glamorous.
Speaker 3: Literally, I do wish there was a.
Speaker 2: Version of getting giant fake boobs for a man, because
Speaker 2: I think that would make so many people so much happier.
Speaker 3: You can get silicone injected into your pectorals.
Speaker 2: It's also true. The chin the chin trend. The chin
Speaker 2: the chin trend, that's the that's the equivalent. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: people do be getting chins. People are getting chins in
Speaker 2: a big way. You're lucky you have a strong chin.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you for saying that, Okay, wait, so but
Speaker 1: I do know you don't. That's okay, George.
Speaker 3: I already said that I kind of thought you were cute,
Speaker 3: but like I don't, I don't. I don't see a
Speaker 3: strong change. I don't really see it.
Speaker 2: I want to know about about parenthesieson new development when
Speaker 2: it comes to skinny. So you're saying it is sort
Speaker 2: of like is this kind of not to be so literal,
Speaker 2: but like in a posto zembic world, skinny is back in.
Speaker 3: I just feel like, Okay, here's here's what I really think. Like,
Speaker 3: the gays are not relevant, the gays are not in
Speaker 3: the pole position. No, I agree that the gays are
Speaker 3: not like the cultural force that they used to be,
Speaker 3: and so they are kind of like top down retooling
Speaker 3: their brand right now. They're at basement fucking on girls. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, completely, No, I think totally. We seated so much
Speaker 2: ground during the marriage equality era where everyone had to
Speaker 2: pretend they were normal so that we get married. And
Speaker 2: I think we thought, you know, we thought, we thought,
Speaker 2: oh well, we'll do this performance of everyone everyone wants
Speaker 2: little designer twins and we're all normal and ties and
Speaker 2: as soon as we are right to Mary, we can
Speaker 2: go back to being absolutely horrifying and doing share impressions
Speaker 2: and you know, injecting silicon for sport. Yeah, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't work like that. The brand is ruined work Larna now.
Speaker 3: But it's not your fault, little gay boy, because it's
Speaker 3: really hard to be a man right now. It's really
Speaker 3: not fab to be a man right now, and it
Speaker 3: hasn't been for years. And I feel like the gays
Speaker 3: are just trying new things, Like what if you weren't
Speaker 3: body fascists and we were actually like, you know, I
Speaker 3: want a big boy. What if we weren't like ill
Speaker 3: Vana and like you know, you know, sampled the little Fish.
Speaker 3: It's like, what will this save me? Like, yeah, spoiler? No,
Speaker 3: I mean, y'all got your podcast, so y'all are good,
Speaker 3: y'all can cut you know, y'all can suck dick or whatever.
Speaker 3: But like some of these guys are really looking for
Speaker 3: their way in. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, whenever I meet a gay without a podcast, I
Speaker 1: get so.
Speaker 3: So I'm lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is the I guess you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: like try bisexuality.
Speaker 3: One of the drag names is mortgage memoir.
Speaker 1: Oh that's nice.
Speaker 2: What I What I love about what I love about
Speaker 2: this topic, Harry, is that we keep getting farther and
Speaker 2: farther away from skinny new development. You have now theorized
Speaker 2: about every every No, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like skinny was the gay standing, and
Speaker 3: because it is the gay standard and the stocks is down.
Speaker 2: It's straight now. Yes, Okay, Okay, I get it again, Yes, okay.
Speaker 3: I and I feel like gaze of all. You know,
Speaker 3: Actually I shouldn't just say gazball stripes. I should say
Speaker 3: that skinny gaze feel more down for big boys now.
Speaker 3: They're talking about it on Twitter very loudly and performatively,
Speaker 3: and I think that they I think it's a matter
Speaker 3: of being seen as having more large ass.
Speaker 1: H But.
Speaker 2: I'll say largest, great drag name, please welcome largeness.
Speaker 1: So this is complicated for me, of course. Well Sam
Speaker 1: has always been in Big Boys. Yeah, sort of been
Speaker 1: my whole vibe like a big boy. I can't help myself.
Speaker 2: You feel like it's getting more popularized in a way
Speaker 2: where you were like, oh, I saw Arcade fire at
Speaker 2: Sasquatch in you know, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Literally like, wait, you never even listen to their EP?
Speaker 1: You don't care. No, I'm sort of like I'm just
Speaker 1: being like, I'm taking a back seat. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm letting everyone else discover on their own time. And
Speaker 1: I'm sort of, you know, I would say not, I
Speaker 1: think it is a bit desperate. It's because it's not
Speaker 1: being into big boys. It's the branding about being into
Speaker 1: big boys that's embarrassing. So I'm sort of letting them
Speaker 1: sort of shame themselves and embarrass themselves and then and
Speaker 1: then silently, you know, I'm sort of quiet luxurying my
Speaker 1: my interests.
Speaker 3: Are you a feeder?
Speaker 1: No, I'm not a feeder. Okay, but celebrate the community,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 3: Of course, you don't want them to show their work.
Speaker 3: Come complete, Okay, come as you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's wait, I want to look at the I
Speaker 2: have the list in front of me. We are going
Speaker 2: to pick one on air.
Speaker 1: Okay, I will say. Drag Brunch is already jumping out.
Speaker 2: I know I love drag Bunch and we're already talking
Speaker 2: about drag.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I've even actually been to a drag
Speaker 3: brunch because that's how straight it is. It's like it's
Speaker 3: so not for us. Yeah, but it is the girls
Speaker 3: they are working.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, is that what we're gonna do. Drag brunch
Speaker 2: is big. I mean, I do love kindness and being supportive.
Speaker 2: I do love male actors because you are so right
Speaker 2: that the deification of like and by the way, I
Speaker 2: love these men. But you know, al Pacino, Robert de
Speaker 2: Nier like to be like, my favorite actor is al Pacino.
Speaker 3: So straight, I to quote Joan Didion, it's not a
Speaker 3: part of my world. It's not. Yeah, like I I
Speaker 3: there are male actresses.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, this is okay. So I'll have
Speaker 2: this theory that basically acting shouldn't be by gender. It
Speaker 2: should be like best Butcher performance, bestem performance, best twink performance,
Speaker 2: best bear performance, and like you can be Judy Dench
Speaker 2: and you can be giving a bear performance, or you
Speaker 2: can be it's with a bear smile, or you can
Speaker 2: be Oscar Isaac and you can be giving like a
Speaker 2: high fem performance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know, I like this.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, so let's all right, Well even male actors,
Speaker 1: I think like, because there's one thing where it's the
Speaker 1: greats and then the other thing where it's like obsessing
Speaker 1: over Paul Rudd. Yes, it's like, yes, he's like always good. Sure,
Speaker 1: it's like what is this, Like, why is he? Why
Speaker 1: are you so obsessed with him? Like he's just sort
Speaker 1: of a like average handsome guy.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're doing male actors. I'm I'm declaring it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, great, all which of your peers do you hate? Well,
Speaker 3: you're doing what in my mind drag race, wouldn't you're
Speaker 3: validating my status as an acting authority?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Well, or perhaps you're minting it Ooh okay.
Speaker 2: I think okay, So all right, there's old actors. There's
Speaker 2: like Marlon Brando, standum, and then from that like basically
Speaker 2: anything related to the Godfather, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like Robert you know, output basically all the Italians. So
Speaker 2: I think that's a big part of like Dad actors.
Speaker 2: Dad's like yeah. And then there's the more contemporary, BuzzFeed
Speaker 2: tinged sensibility of like Ryan Goslin, Yes, and and again
Speaker 2: Paul Meskal, the Timothy Shallow, like the boy of the
Speaker 2: Internet's boyfriend that.
Speaker 1: Kind of thing, you know what I mean, which that
Speaker 1: to me is like the weirder one currently.
Speaker 3: Well, the Internet boyfriend thing is an arc type that
Speaker 3: is being just stated in this age that we mentioned
Speaker 3: but I mentioned of it being unfashionable to be a man.
Speaker 3: This is the new minted masculinity of like I hate
Speaker 3: to say it, but like I can't phrase it any
Speaker 3: other way, Like in order to become an Internet boyfriend
Speaker 3: of the week, you have to like have it stipped
Speaker 3: on your forehead, like I'm not going to rape you.
Speaker 3: Like that is what it takes to be a heart throb.
Speaker 3: And is that fab right? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow, there is something Okay, there's something about Timothy
Speaker 1: Chalomy's current vibe yeh, which I do think is almost
Speaker 1: going against internet boy friend where it is sort of
Speaker 1: being like, wait, he's being like nasty, he's.
Speaker 2: Being toxic nasty. Yeah, he's dating Kendle. I mean it's
Speaker 2: he sort of wants to have it both ways because
Speaker 2: he wants to be you know, wearing the yellow suit
Speaker 2: and the vest without a T shirt and be so twink,
Speaker 2: but then he also wants to be dating up Kardashian
Speaker 2: and saying he wants to be the next Robert de
Speaker 2: Niro and having the sort of almost machismo. It is
Speaker 2: a twink. It is machismo but through a twink lens,
Speaker 2: which actually is one of the most dangerous kinds.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I mean this positions him to be cuge. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like I mean he is huge. He I think he's
Speaker 3: on his way to being when it rages.
Speaker 2: Him into being like Leo, because that's what Leo. Leo
Speaker 2: Wasimo through a twin lens, and then he just had
Speaker 2: to sort of age in a kind of you know,
Speaker 2: we have this theory created by our friend Olivia. You
Speaker 2: can either age dry or age wet, and Leo aged wet,
Speaker 2: which actually gives you more gravitas.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I feel that like there's something about him where
Speaker 1: his beginning was very like I'm androgynist, I have stamped
Speaker 1: on my forehead like I'm safe, And now it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's actually been like no, actually I'm I'm actually proud
Speaker 1: to be a man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually, it's like good that I'm a man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's refreshing all this fracas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, there's something to it, but it is it's
Speaker 1: like a it feels like a new it feels like
Speaker 1: a new change in culture.
Speaker 3: I mean, honey, it's like if you're going to be
Speaker 3: a man with all the options to not be a
Speaker 3: man in front of you, like if you're going to
Speaker 3: choose this, choose it, commit commit This is drag. I
Speaker 3: do think we have.
Speaker 2: There are various men that signify this transitional period between BuzzFeed,
Speaker 2: twink and then new masculinity, and I think a big
Speaker 2: one is Glenn Powell. Glenn Powell is someone that came
Speaker 2: along and they actually do on him to be an
Speaker 2: old fashioned man, but they're not ready to hard launch
Speaker 2: that yet, so they'll make him like they're making a
Speaker 2: little more silly and be a little more Internet's boyfriend,
Speaker 2: you know. But then at some point he's gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: go mel Gibson.
Speaker 1: He's literally like like a little dog on a leash,
Speaker 1: right Yeah, in a way where I'm like set him
Speaker 1: free totally. I want to know what's bad about him?
Speaker 3: What do you want to see from a man on screen?
Speaker 3: Like I feel like as gay people, we don't think
Speaker 3: about it. I know, I know, I don't care, You're right,
Speaker 3: I don't really care. I mean, like I can think
Speaker 3: of the exceptions to the rule. Like have you ever
Speaker 3: seen like John Cassavetti's husbands that is male actress down
Speaker 3: that is like, you know, masculinity like kind of like
Speaker 3: crumbling before like Mike and Nicky. Yeah, Like I love
Speaker 3: when it's just like the guy is becoming so much
Speaker 3: of a guy that he's like collapsing under the weight
Speaker 3: of how much of the guy he is, and there
Speaker 3: it's like it's like kind of pussy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I love that. I need to kick
Speaker 1: out like Adam Driver for that sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it has to be done right.
Speaker 1: It has to be done right.
Speaker 3: Are you saying he's not doing it right.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that when directed correctly, such as by Limna Dunham,
Speaker 2: he is doing it right. And I actually think it's
Speaker 2: not a coincidence that Mikey and Nicki is also directed
Speaker 2: by women. I think that there need to be more
Speaker 2: men directed by women in the way that you know,
Speaker 2: men have meant not to be so feminism one oh one,
Speaker 2: Like I'm writing an op ed for Mary Claire. But
Speaker 2: but I do think some of the great male performances
Speaker 2: are directed by women and none of them are ever
Speaker 2: acknowledged as like in the because everyone just wants.
Speaker 3: Francis Ford Coppola.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam Driver in Girls is a better male performance
Speaker 2: than Leonardo DiCaprio in the Revenant period.
Speaker 3: Sorry, it's true.
Speaker 1: My empty bottle.
Speaker 3: Do you not agree with that? I just feel as
Speaker 3: though one is in service of something else that the
Speaker 3: other one is not in service, And I'm forming this
Speaker 3: idea in real time. Leonardo DiCaprio's performance in the Revenant
Speaker 3: is all about difficulty. It's all about arduousness. It's all
Speaker 3: about like recreating freezing on the Titanic, but you're just
Speaker 3: like freezing inside.
Speaker 2: In a bear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, inside of the corpse of the bear.
Speaker 2: Well, where do I sign up?
Speaker 3: And I feel as though it's about suffering alone in
Speaker 3: the wilderness. And I feel like Adam Driver's performance and
Speaker 3: Girls is so memorable, particularly to us, because it wasn't
Speaker 3: just about like a certain kind of man that was recognizable.
Speaker 3: It was like a certain kind of man in relation
Speaker 3: to a certain kind of woman. And it's yes being
Speaker 3: directed by the had done him, but it's also like
Speaker 3: acting off of her. And this idea that you know,
Speaker 3: this elusive, chauvinistic, magnetic, hot kind of straight guy actually
Speaker 3: really wanted the like complicated pussy like that was like
Speaker 3: revelatory for us. And I feel like I'm unable to
Speaker 3: see his performance outside of the thing that I learned
Speaker 3: about what guys want, like new guys like guys of
Speaker 3: my generation. Once I learned it, got myself a complicated
Speaker 3: pussy hitting.
Speaker 2: And he taught you that you have Adam driver to
Speaker 2: think for that for your self actualization.
Speaker 3: Had Leana done him right now?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 1: Wait, seriously, I would love this.
Speaker 3: No, I can't do it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you can't use like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, I almost did it.
Speaker 2: Here's my question for you. Should men only be in
Speaker 2: theater and not unscreened?
Speaker 3: I live? You know what I mean? Well, yeah, because
Speaker 3: the screen is like the soul, The screen is inside
Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to go inside right this.
Speaker 3: I want you to do something like for me at
Speaker 3: least to me at most, And you can get that
Speaker 3: in life performance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to see it from a safe distance,
Speaker 2: but I want to feel a little bit of a
Speaker 2: fear of like he might come in and come out
Speaker 2: and punch me in the face.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But also like the I feel like the gaze
Speaker 3: of theater like a z like the audience like that's
Speaker 3: cruel in one way. In the gaze of the camera
Speaker 3: is cruel. In another way, I think the cruel gaze
Speaker 3: of the camera brings something like really cool out of women.
Speaker 3: But it's also like a gaze that women are trained
Speaker 3: and conditioned to exist under, which is why like gay
Speaker 3: guys love actresses because they just do it. But I
Speaker 3: think that men can sort of function in a similar
Speaker 3: way under the gaze of theater because it's not like
Speaker 3: an institutional like gays that you could write about and like,
Speaker 3: you know, the cultural criticism of like you know, like
Speaker 3: the male gaze, Like it's like this, it's the thing
Speaker 3: that exists everywhere, like the theater one. It's like we're
Speaker 3: all just here now looking at you. And you're a guy,
Speaker 3: and you're supposed to be a leader, and you're supposed
Speaker 3: to deliver, and you're supposed to you know, make the
Speaker 3: people come together. What are you going to do right now?
Speaker 3: Impress us? I feel like guys can do something special
Speaker 3: with that, and I want to see them do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also think there's something about, Okay, we give women
Speaker 2: just this small screen and they can make a world
Speaker 2: out of it. Like it's like I could do you know,
Speaker 2: a close up of Cape Blanchette and she's doing so
Speaker 2: much with her eyes on her face and whatever. And
Speaker 2: then with men, it's like the stage like them being
Speaker 2: on in public and taking up space.
Speaker 3: That's what they want. Like it's more of like a sport.
Speaker 2: It's more of like a yeah, it's more of a sport. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And you want to see them just like take up,
Speaker 2: go high, go wide.
Speaker 1: Well, it's their drag queen.
Speaker 3: But that's what men used to do on screen before
Speaker 3: Marlon Brando. Yeah, before Marlon Brando. We're like see like
Speaker 3: we had like there was like this element of like
Speaker 3: male drag. But you know, Marlon Renno is the one
Speaker 3: that kind of like you know, just like brought it
Speaker 3: all down to this naturalism thing and like changed the
Speaker 3: way people saw acting and created a whole new set
Speaker 3: of expectations for like, hey everyone, but be like specifically
Speaker 3: the guys. It's like if you give me nothing, you
Speaker 3: are giving me everything. That's like and we are still
Speaker 3: kind of under that rock. I mean, I think I
Speaker 3: read this thing about Nick Cage how he just like
Speaker 3: doesn't do that, and like that's why he's amazing. He's
Speaker 3: like he's a male actress.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna bring him up.
Speaker 3: One long legs. A girl don't even get heard about
Speaker 3: long legs. Her crossy team. We need to long legs.
Speaker 3: There needs to be an investigation, investigation and transvestigation investigation. Yeah, legs,
Speaker 3: you want to talk about silicon in a phase? Bitch?
Speaker 1: That movie I felt so gas lip by sort of
Speaker 1: the entire world.
Speaker 2: I completely agree.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, this maybe this is straight culture. There's this
Speaker 3: new thing I feel like in horror movies and other
Speaker 3: things where it's like, no, like the devil is real,
Speaker 3: like like like dark magic is real, Like this is
Speaker 3: actually not a story about like you know, a man's
Speaker 3: curdling insanity in a basement or yes, and the devil
Speaker 3: is also real, like yeah. I watched it with Ludwig,
Speaker 3: my boyfriend, and I turned him after and I was like, okay, wait,
Speaker 3: so he was a bioterrorist, like like like the black
Speaker 3: powder smoke coming out of the head of the doll
Speaker 3: was like anthrax that makes people kill people, like it's
Speaker 3: the devil. I could not accept. Yeah, I just it's
Speaker 3: not a part of my part of.
Speaker 2: It's stories. I So I felt this way with The
Speaker 2: Witch and with Hereditary, where I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: after all that, and listen, I'm great films. Okay, well, Hereditary,
Speaker 2: I stand listen, I great again, great films. Talk about
Speaker 2: an actress Tony you I am your mother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see dstin Hoffman do that, but I yeah,
Speaker 2: don't come for him.
Speaker 3: Not to say, Honey?
Speaker 2: Did say was sort of the long legs of her generation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Devil made him do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but didn't you expect both the Witch and Hereditary
Speaker 2: that there would be some heightened that it wouldn't just
Speaker 2: be literally about No.
Speaker 1: You're right, there's like it's like get out of jail
Speaker 1: free card in a way where you're like, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: do another draft, like let's find a real just hi.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like I don't mind it in a
Speaker 3: classic like the Extor Sister Rosemary's Baby, it just has
Speaker 3: to be done with so much glamour and so much
Speaker 3: precision and so such good writing that, I mean, you
Speaker 3: have to write better than the Bible, Honey, in order
Speaker 3: to really get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, miss ari Astor, you have to write better than
Speaker 2: the Bible, girl.
Speaker 3: Now I know. I listen. I'm actually did you see
Speaker 3: the trailer for her new movie?
Speaker 2: I no, I haven't, I haven't.
Speaker 3: I should. I have very high expectations of our master,
Speaker 3: and I am really excited that he's coming out with
Speaker 3: a movie that takes place in twenty twenty. Because I've
Speaker 3: been sitting here like since twenty twenty, being like when
Speaker 3: are we gonna Why is no Budy? I don't know
Speaker 3: now about twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: It's like a pandemic movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's very much about like I don't actually
Speaker 3: know the plot, but based on the trailer, it's like
Speaker 3: somebody scrolling in twenty twenty. It was Joaquin Phoenix scrolling
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, and it's like Emma Stone and.
Speaker 2: Dro Pascal's very like this because I did say one
Speaker 2: screenshot that's like, you know, some influencer posting about like
Speaker 2: twenty twenty protests or something. Yeah, like it's like making
Speaker 2: fun of that sort of the air of cancelation of
Speaker 2: that summer, and you know, we were all in a
Speaker 2: dark place.
Speaker 3: Maybe we don't have to talk about it right here,
Speaker 3: but like somebody, like somebody so like lyrically misanthropic as
Speaker 3: Ariasca could actually do something. Yeah, And I'm kind of sacked.
Speaker 3: I'm also just kind of saying this because like there's
Speaker 3: a twenty twenty movie that like me and a friend
Speaker 3: were really like adapting from something and like kind of
Speaker 3: working on and we sort of like soft trotted it
Speaker 3: out a little bit. But this was in like twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two, and it was just resolutely like, the girls
Speaker 3: are not ready for twenty twenty. The girls are not
Speaker 3: ready to go back, And I'm curious if a really
Speaker 3: cool film could take the scales on that.
Speaker 2: I do think it's gonna happen. It's like when people
Speaker 2: started making post nine to eleven movies.
Speaker 1: But there's still I feel like, like, what's a good
Speaker 1: nine to eleven movie?
Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately all of them flopped. Well a good nine
Speaker 2: eleven movie is Margarette, but all of them? Yes, Yes,
Speaker 2: Who's gonna make the Margarette of Covid of like twenty
Speaker 2: twenty at covid?
Speaker 3: Because that is what I want to see. Kenneth Lonergan,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry for calling you stride it.
Speaker 1: Have you seen it?
Speaker 3: No, It's like one of my favorite movies. Oh watch
Speaker 3: the three and a half hour director's cut. It's like
Speaker 3: I went up to I don't do this. I went
Speaker 3: up to end UPAC went at the Vanity for Oscar Party,
Speaker 3: and I was just like, Margaret is one of my
Speaker 3: favorite movies. Don't go up to a celebrity and say
Speaker 3: something like that unless you're sure it's something that they
Speaker 3: don't hear every day, Yeah, because they will live if
Speaker 3: like you have the thing that they don't hear every day,
Speaker 3: if you do, you know, was.
Speaker 2: She happy to hear that from you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nice, heaven, It's yeah.
Speaker 2: So I I wanna. I'm like, I want to get
Speaker 2: to a grand theory of male acting because I do
Speaker 2: think this is such a rich topic.
Speaker 1: Well okay, yeah, I think part of the issue is
Speaker 1: that it's like they're almost there as the they're like
Speaker 1: a set piece, like it's less of a like it
Speaker 1: does feel like they are the the ground and for
Speaker 1: the actress to.
Speaker 2: This is what we're saying a genius because here's okay,
Speaker 2: you see a poster for a movie, okay, and it's
Speaker 2: all men in suits and then one woman in like
Speaker 2: a low cut dress. The conventional critique of that is like,
Speaker 2: look at fucking Hollywood. They it's all men and there's
Speaker 2: so funerals for women, which of course I get. But
Speaker 2: what I see is that everyone else is a set
Speaker 2: and this is a one woman show.
Speaker 3: We're featuring other featuring.
Speaker 2: It's like it's her it's like American Hustle, and it's
Speaker 2: it's Jennifer Lawrence. It's time for her to basically have
Speaker 2: a variety of interactions with men that are kind of
Speaker 2: like wooden and like don't say much, and then it's
Speaker 2: time for her to be like listen to me, little boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then her doing that over this just like
Speaker 3: Sunday morning that it doesn't sound much fun for the
Speaker 3: male actors. Is it that they exact so much that
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter?
Speaker 2: No, I do wonder that. I'm like, it seems so
Speaker 2: much more fun to be an actress than That's why.
Speaker 1: Like Leo, it's sort of an actress. He's like, I
Speaker 1: will do a movie with a bear totally because I
Speaker 1: can't have I can't be background for an actress.
Speaker 2: Which actors are actresses?
Speaker 3: Nicholas Cage, Nicholas Cage, it's literally like name an actor.
Speaker 2: Like Sebastian Stan. Sure, I think Sebastian Stan is an actress.
Speaker 3: Her snatch game in a different man. Yeah, did you
Speaker 3: see that was tight? I did not know that was
Speaker 3: she in the prosthetiques. I could not she was.
Speaker 2: How a soulka clock. She was being so long legs
Speaker 2: in that film.
Speaker 3: Yes, clearly, like delights in versatility, like like she delights
Speaker 3: in okay, playing a range, what are you taking me?
Speaker 1: Strong?
Speaker 3: This is tough because it's like she has a complicated,
Speaker 3: fractured subjectivity that is actress.
Speaker 1: Like, yes, exactly, that's true. Okay, Yeah, she's giving and
Speaker 1: she's torn apart in the media.
Speaker 2: Of course, so it's like many women.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I oh, do you know who lars Ideger is? No,
Speaker 3: he's like he's like eure Vian like he does like
Speaker 3: art movies in theater and I'm sorry, no, no, this
Speaker 3: is super but like if you saw him, you would
Speaker 3: like recognize his face. He does do some Hollywood he
Speaker 3: was in like the of that. Oh as like the
Speaker 3: actors he's crazy, okay, favorite actors.
Speaker 2: Being written a note being.
Speaker 1: Written a note?
Speaker 2: Oh oh, or now that's interesting slic.
Speaker 1: Mickey note.
Speaker 3: You know, long legs are sort of reheating. Make your works,
Speaker 3: not make your work?
Speaker 2: I think, I think? Okay, do you think make your work?
Speaker 2: In the wrestler was being actor or actress?
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it either, So George, what do you
Speaker 1: think you're the only Also do you.
Speaker 2: Think Darren Aronofsky is a male or female director.
Speaker 3: Female for making Black Swan male, basing it off of
Speaker 3: perfect blue snatches period.
Speaker 1: I don't know what what gender? Mother?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what gender? You? Okay? Mother, go well this
Speaker 3: is a sidebar, mother, No I can't. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just love Jennifer Lards just like just like like,
Speaker 3: well baby, like that's the vibe. Yeah, yeah, that engrossing.
Speaker 2: The sink when when her sink is embraced, do you
Speaker 2: remember that's a big part of it is people keep
Speaker 2: breaking her sink, keep heap sitting on the sink and
Speaker 2: breaking it.
Speaker 1: I mean nothing, but that's talk top Kristen Wiggs performance.
Speaker 1: Of course, I forgot about Christmas. Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: what a what a beautiful performance.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm trying to think of male actresses. I'm trying.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's so tough.
Speaker 3: It's really put you on the spot, and we really put.
Speaker 1: You on the spot.
Speaker 2: Huge Jackman. Oh you know that's more complicated. Hugh Jackman's
Speaker 2: relationship to gender and sexuality is something we are not
Speaker 2: going to speak out about.
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 2: Although now I do actually think he's in love with
Speaker 2: Sutton Foster.
Speaker 1: But do you think he actually is? Yes, Okay, mystery solved.
Speaker 3: Misjeff Manning, I think.
Speaker 1: But his okay, Like, what's weird about him? Is playing
Speaker 1: Wolverine for so long?
Speaker 2: I think Jake Joenhall is an actress. Oh sure, I
Speaker 2: think Jake Jollen Hall and like oak Ja, I think
Speaker 2: Jake Jillen Hall in Uh and Prisoners, Like he's not
Speaker 2: afraid to emote and he's not afraid to go full
Speaker 2: Jennifer Lawrence and.
Speaker 1: Mother Well, and when he is playing like a really
Speaker 1: masculine man, it like reminds me of like, you know,
Speaker 1: when Demi Moore shaves her head, yes or whatever. It's
Speaker 1: like I'm like, wow, he he can even be a man,
Speaker 1: like I had no idea.
Speaker 3: Adrian Brodie gave actress and the Brutalist and he gave
Speaker 3: actress winning for it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah that was so actress coded. No I live? Yeah? No?
Speaker 3: Literally, why are all penises prosthetics?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 1: Started like what happened to Bravery?
Speaker 3: Whatever happened to Cock? What I'm the wrong person?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: Whatever happened to unreal Cock?
Speaker 1: I'm literally like why is it illegal to show a
Speaker 1: real dick on screen?
Speaker 2: And also it's like, okay, you don't want to show it,
Speaker 2: don't show it, don't don't mess with me. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to like write, I'm not going to complain if
Speaker 2: there's no cock in a film.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's not okay. But do you think that
Speaker 3: they're making the prosthetics for the actors like their cock
Speaker 3: sight unseen or do you think they're Is it like
Speaker 3: a weird part of casting where they're like looking at
Speaker 3: the actor and being like, this is the cock.
Speaker 1: No, they are making gigantic cocks just left and right,
Speaker 1: and they are not They are not trying. They're not
Speaker 1: going for realism at all. They're going for Humphrey Bogart,
Speaker 1: not Marlon Brando when it comes to their cock prosthetics
Speaker 1: and it's kissing me. There's also this.
Speaker 2: Lack of uh, it's like not interacting with the actual
Speaker 2: reality of what flaccid versus erect looks like, what a
Speaker 2: cock in repose looks like.
Speaker 1: I am like, have you guys seen this before? Like
Speaker 1: they don't look like that.
Speaker 2: It's actually sort of the opposite of you know, men
Speaker 2: not being able to write women and like, you know,
Speaker 2: doing some I don't know, being like, oh, she she's
Speaker 2: on her period or something. It's like why, Okay, so
Speaker 2: if everyone involved is a man, why don't they know
Speaker 2: what a penis?
Speaker 3: And like, shouldn't somebody having a huge cock be like
Speaker 3: dramaturgically informed in the character. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: huge cocks are rare, and huge cock personalities are rare,
Speaker 3: and I feel like the vibe of all of these
Speaker 3: huge cock prosthetics are like, well, this is what they
Speaker 3: want to see, Like we want to see a huge cock,
Speaker 3: but like, I don't know, Like Drew Starky's character in Queer,
Speaker 3: It's like, is that really like a huge cock character? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I get that he's like sexually desirable,
Speaker 3: but like I love, I love the idea that the
Speaker 3: sexual obsession that you know, Craig's character has for this
Speaker 3: character could exist for somebody with like a normal cock,
Speaker 3: for even a small cock, because it's not about the cock,
Speaker 3: it's about the straight Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would say that is one of the major flaws
Speaker 2: in that film is that he is written as having
Speaker 2: a medium to small cock, like in the book or
Speaker 2: in the film, just like the character is written as
Speaker 2: having a medium to small cock, and that is the
Speaker 2: effect he would have on a Daniel Craig I actually
Speaker 2: think Daniel Craig would be like put like it's afraid
Speaker 2: of a larger cock. Yes, in fact in reality, by
Speaker 2: the way, speaking of giant Cox, Willem Dafoe is an actress.
Speaker 1: Oh great, great point.
Speaker 3: I was across the Delta one aisle from him, flying
Speaker 3: to la for Oscar weekend, and I really just like
Speaker 3: wanted to say something, but I could not summon the
Speaker 3: like deep cut. I literally looked at my letter box
Speaker 3: watch and I couldn't. Like I thought about being like,
Speaker 3: oh like I watched Anti Christ like alone in my
Speaker 3: living room at like eleven thirty PM when I was fourteen,
Speaker 3: during that period where I was watching scary movies to
Speaker 3: try to desensitize myself from fear of the dark, like
Speaker 3: I you know, thought about but I just couldn't because
Speaker 3: I respect him so much. And then I didn't shoot
Speaker 3: my shot. And yeah, I may never get that chance.
Speaker 1: Oh you will.
Speaker 3: One time when I was when I was at school,
Speaker 3: I was like the Colubia Quad. I was like walking
Speaker 3: to like my morning class at like eight am, and
Speaker 3: he was sitting on the steps of the library with
Speaker 3: a coffee like in the sun with his eyes closed.
Speaker 3: It was just really sweet.
Speaker 2: That's actress behavior.
Speaker 3: I didn't say anything then, and I didn't say anything
Speaker 3: the second time, but like, well he's a listener, so
Speaker 3: if you want to send him the message really actually,
Speaker 3: Willem Defoe, thanks beautiful, thank you.
Speaker 1: There's something so Lana del Ray lyric coded about saying
Speaker 1: I was sitting across from him in the Delta one lounge, and.
Speaker 3: Sitting across from the Delta one lounge is the men
Speaker 3: in Hollywood business?
Speaker 1: Yeah, should we do our final thing?
Speaker 2: We have to, even though all I want is to
Speaker 2: keep talking. I know, I mean to bring up Antichrist
Speaker 2: within a conversation about cox and prosthetics, and then we
Speaker 2: can't even.
Speaker 3: Do you Have you seen Anti Christ?
Speaker 2: There is full a close up of penetration, but they
Speaker 2: used porn actors to film it, even though Willem Defoe
Speaker 2: very famously has a very large penis.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like a sort of Hollywood lore.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, and I want to shout out to
Speaker 1: Lars Montreer for Niphomaniac showing you know that watched with
Speaker 1: my stepdad and.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: You know, that was a lot of real talks, and
Speaker 1: I said, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to the Dogma movement. We're doing that
Speaker 2: for podcasting, so we get it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the way that I was guarded for Nifomniac
Speaker 1: one and two, I was like, I am I'm sad.
Speaker 2: You know on what Uma Thurman? There's no time. Actually,
Speaker 2: Uma Thurman is actress being actor being actress, and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to elaborate on that.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's later, Victoria. Yeah, no, it's lon And Okay,
Speaker 1: should we do our final sag?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, what is the Joe DiDio quote.
Speaker 3: That it's not a part of my world?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: Our final segment was called shout Outs, and in this
Speaker 1: segment we pay homage to the grand straight tradition of
Speaker 1: the radio shout out, shouting out to anything people place
Speaker 1: these things ideas just something that we like and I
Speaker 1: can we make them up on the spot, George, that's
Speaker 1: a part of that.
Speaker 2: We make them up on the spot.
Speaker 1: Kick us off.
Speaker 3: I want to give a shout.
Speaker 2: Out to Checkof's string cheese.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: You know everyone's been wondering is it going to be
Speaker 2: eaten by the end of the episode, because that is
Speaker 2: of course what check Off string Cheese means. And I'm
Speaker 2: here to tell you that I'm going to take a
Speaker 2: huge bite Lady Gaga style on air. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: absolutely delicious. Thank you so much for everyone that has
Speaker 2: made this moment possible.
Speaker 3: And shout out to string Trees.
Speaker 2: Honestly one of the most underrated an accident not.
Speaker 1: Underrated by me, right in the top five. I go, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's up, presuchs and perverts around the globe. I want
Speaker 1: to give a huge shout out to the raw sensuality
Speaker 1: of riding a New York subway and seeing someone across
Speaker 1: the train and be like, oh, let's try to make
Speaker 1: eyes and then be like, what am I doing? I'm
Speaker 1: running link my podcast? Why am I making eyes a
Speaker 1: stranger across the subway? And then be like, because it's
Speaker 1: New York and anything can happen. And I was feeling yes,
Speaker 1: I was running late, but when I eventually found peace,
Speaker 1: and I said, but you know, at least I seeing
Speaker 1: someone hot in this train, and that changes so much
Speaker 1: for Ondes day. And you know, in LA you don't
Speaker 1: see anyone hot because they're in cars, and here you
Speaker 1: see people who are hot every damn second, and it's
Speaker 1: almost overwhelming. So I want to give a huge shout
Speaker 1: out to that feeling.
Speaker 3: Whoa you know where you don't see people who are hot?
Speaker 1: Where?
Speaker 3: All right, ladies, gentlemen say them's and germs and everyone else.
Speaker 3: I want to shout out to Midtown in the middle
Speaker 3: of the morning. It is always two thousand and four.
Speaker 3: You are in Tyra Banks's New York. You are inside
Speaker 3: of Heidi Clewtman, Tim Blanks's New York. You are on
Speaker 3: your Suddenly I see Andy Sacks. You have somewhere to be.
Speaker 3: You are in a hat, you are drinking coffee out
Speaker 3: of a blue Greek coffee club, and you are on Broadway.
Speaker 3: How dare the diners are open? Pods in the diners? Wow?
Speaker 3: That was stunning.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Harry, thank you so much for doing
Speaker 1: the pod. This has been a real true This has.
Speaker 2: Been an absolute delight. Thank you for uh being gracious
Speaker 2: with us being late. Thank you for bringing literally upwards
Speaker 2: of twelve topics. Thank you for doing Joan Didion as share.
Speaker 1: That was really inspired. And if that doesn't get you
Speaker 1: drag race, then like someone's head will roll, Hi, I cannot.
Speaker 2: I actually, I'm actually so annoyed that that that you
Speaker 2: have not been on Dragon.
Speaker 1: No, there's just no justice in this time.
Speaker 3: No. I but I have so much respect for like
Speaker 3: rupe Paul's sensibility and like the people that like enter
Speaker 3: Rupeaul's algorithm, Like I know that I have not entered that,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to be on there till I do.
Speaker 3: I earned it.
Speaker 2: Wait until she sees a real an Instagram reel of
Speaker 2: you doing Joe Didion as share because that phone is going.
Speaker 3: To be ringing. Mama, I don't know. Get your ass
Speaker 3: to Midtown for another blowout.
Speaker 1: Girls, it's not Susie too, it's saying your cerebral.
Speaker 3: Sasha bealor before her. Well, yes, thank you so much
Speaker 3: for having me. I am promoting absolutely nothing right, that's
Speaker 3: a huge shout out. I mean, you know there are secrets,
Speaker 3: but I can't. There's a secret.
Speaker 2: There's always secrets, and if you're in the no keep
Speaker 2: being the lookout for those secrets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, follow me?
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