WEBVTT - The greatest enemy of success 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.800 What's up, guys. Welcome to the Granger Smith Podcast, Episode 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:08.680 thirty four. Thanks for watching, thanks for listening. I'm grateful 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:10.799 to have this platform to be able to talk, especially 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.039 in crazy time like this. And for those of you 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.480 that have watched or listened to all the previous ones before, 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.400 or at least many of them, thank you for letting 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.120 me be a part of your Monday morning. I hope 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:24.640 that a lot of you are commuting again. If you 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.040 weren't working before, I hope that you are working again 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.280 as these states are slowly starting to open up and 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.560 we're seeing hope, and we are seeing what we knew 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.680 was going to happen all along. That's only a matter 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:40.239 of when, not if, we get back to normal. We 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:42.960 like to reject the idea of the new normal and 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:46.400 the new way of life that is false. Reject that 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.320 we're going to get back to just the way we were, 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.080 because that's what we will believe, and the majority of 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.320 us will believe that we'll make it through this, be 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:58.400 better for it, and be back to normal. So thank you, guys. 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:00.840 I want to tell you that some exciting things going 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.520 on with me and the band. We are going to 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:11.080 be starting live stream shows starting tonight Monday night, starting tonight. 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:16.280 If you're watching this or listening to this podcast real time, uh, 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.720 we will be doing this live stream tonight and we're 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:23.560 very excited to be able to give you a free 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.399 viewing of a show. We are going to offer a 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:30.200 virtual tip jar, a virtual pickle jar, as I'll probably say, 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.360 because back in the old days, we only we only 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.920 lived on tips, and so we would pass around a 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.759 pickle jar with said band tips on the side. And 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:44.679 we're kind of we've resorted, We've we've gone back to that. So, uh, 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.320 I'm almost embarrassed. I get I get clamming when I 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.800 start talking about it, but I got to ask for 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.040 tips again. That's that's the state of the world, at 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.640 least a state of touring and what it's come down to. 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:58.840 So this is this is going straight to the band. 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.320 We've done well. I like to say, we've done well, 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:06.120 but we haven't done well enough to maintain twelve weeks 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.680 or whatever it's been since the last gig and continue 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.880 to pay health insurance and everything that these guys need 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.880 to survive. So we'll be passing around a virtual tip 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.679 jar in the form of Venmo. I created a Venmo 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:22.640 account at granger Smith and so you could you can 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.320 go to at Grangersmith on Vinco or venmo dot com 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.200 forward slash granger Smith a dollar or two as you 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.639 watch the show. If you don't like the show, you 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.960 don't have to donate anything. But in otherwise it's not 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.800 it's it's not required or anything, or we're gonna We're 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.799 gonna offer it for free because I know this is 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:43.639 a crazy time, but I'd like to say that it's 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.200 it's important that also that we just get together and play. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:49.400 You know that we go through some of these songs 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.880 and we take request. If you have a request, comment below. 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.760 If you're watching on YouTube, comment below. And we'll try 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.240 to build the set list each week. If we do, 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:01.200 say Monday today, if we do one Thursday day, and 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:02.880 I think that might be a good pattern. It's like 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.200 Mondays and Thursdays. We'll do a set and we will 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.919 make it where we change environments all at the Eyegee Farm, 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.920 and we change instrumentations. So we might do a full band, 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.280 we might do acoustics, we might do some older throwback songs. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.239 It's gonna be really fun. It's gonna be really fun. 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:26.000 So speaking of live concerts and tips. It's very, very 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.560 very important to know that if we're going to do 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.200 a live stream and if I'm gonna ask for tips, 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.360 you're gonna hear it from me personally through the podcast 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:37.760 or through social media or on my website. You will 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.000 hear it from me. And the reason I say that 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.360 is we did hear about at least one scam, and 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:47.200 I'm sure there's others of people impersonating me or impersonating 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:51.920 other celebrities and asking for tips or some kind of 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.800 charity support, or that they're going to do a live stream. 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.160 I think there was one we heard of that was 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.520 a live stream that was actually all a big hoax. 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.400 It wasn't me at all. So if you see something 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.880 come up with me as a live stream, it's fake. 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.080 Get out of it. You know, if you see something 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.440 about me asking money for a charity, it's fake. You're 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.240 only going to hear that from my mouth on my 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.200 socials with the blue check. Always look for the blue check. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.559 All that being said, we're pumped if we make zero 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.880 dollar tips where it's worth it for us just to 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.000 play and have fun and get back with the guys 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:29.120 and play some music again. You know, something that we've 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.760 all been doing for decades that suddenly has stopped. So 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.080 we'll be back and all that is going to transition 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.839 into today's podcast. I'm bringing Dusty Saxon on here, and 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:42.120 you guys are going to love to hear what he 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.840 has to say. He is a very interesting guy. He's 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.560 actually a really funny guy in certain environments. One of 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.400 the funniest guys I've ever met. If you get to 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.719 know him and you listen to him long enough, he 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.920 will say he's very smart, very witty, and he has 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.800 to be smart and witty to know how he does 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.320 these drums, how he operates. It's multitasking all these drums, 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:07.320 running a laptop computer at the same time and remembering everything. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.440 He never forgets. If you've seen us play, he never forgets. 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:15.320 I do all the time. So he's an interesting dude, 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:21.160 small town guy from Loreena, Texas. Without further ado, you 0:05:21.200 --> 0:06:02.680 guys are gonna like this one. Dusty Saxon time, long line, 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:24.200 humping down, going back, crazy cool shun. When Earl Didviles 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.760 Junior was kind of on the rise, and people do 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.400 interviews with me and they would be like, man, you're 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.320 so funny. I can't believe it's so funny where it's 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.159 all laughing. You know, were you always like the funniest 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.279 guy in your class? Were you like the class clown 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.039 growing up? And I would always say, man, I'm not 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:47.120 even like the third or fourth funniest guy on my bus. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.520 And so if I was gonna rank the funny guys, 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:54.240 I think you'd be number one. But you're the most 0:06:54.320 --> 0:07:03.240 unassuming funny guy because you're generally kind of quiet, and 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.840 people almost have to get to know you. Don't you think, yeah, 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:10.480 I'm not just funny any just all the time. I 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:18.280 guess my my Instagram bio actually says sometimes funny, So 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:25.360 that explains it. So you're unassuming funny, But also you don't. 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.400 You don't come to the world and say, listen, I 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.160 want to be a I want to be a comedian. 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:34.720 But those that know Dusty Saxon, well, I've spent time 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:39.040 with you. It's like these moments late at night, late 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.680 on the bus, when it's quiet, when there's a bunch 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.160 of people and no one say anything. You're always the 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:51.240 one that has their the words that just get everyone rolling. Well, 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:57.080 I I'm never I'm not just funny without I'm not 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:01.320 just funny. I have to be. I take something someone 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:05.360 says and it'll trigger something funny in my mind, or 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.520 like even with even with music, I can't write a song, 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.119 but I could take a song and make it better 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:17.920 like I could. Somebody might say something that that makes 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.400 me think of something funny, and I'll take it the 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.520 rest of the way. I don't know. I can't just 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.800 walk into a room and be funny like a comedian, 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:27.760 but I could walk into a room with my friends 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:33.199 and jump into a conversation and turn that conversation into 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.400 something funny. Yeah, it's interesting that it's like different, there's 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:40.520 different forms of comedy, and yours is definitely not the 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.319 walk in the room class clown, Like you weren't class 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.120 clown in high school. I'm sure, no, definitely not. But 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:47.960 we so a lot of people don't know. We have 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.840 something in the band called the quote Book, and it's 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:55.440 something we've kept over several years, and we sometimes it's written, 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:59.400 sometimes we have it on our phones, but regardless, we 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.800 collect funny things that have been said and random times. 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.040 And you probably are the king of quote books, like 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:11.640 you're the king of one liners. And maybe one day 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.400 we'll go through and do a different podcast. It's like 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:17.840 Dusty Saxon quotes. Yeah, but tell me, like your story 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.079 is always so fascinating and I always learn more Abouue. 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.959 I've known you for about almost ten years now, yeah, 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.240 almost ten. Yeah, I've been in the band almost eight. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.840 We met you were playing with the country act Brandon Ryder, 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.840 and but I'd known you before that. Our sound guy 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.240 Frank had worked with you in a band called Ember, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.439 a rock band, and so I'd always heard these legendary 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:48.359 stories of you as this crazy drummer. That's that's very outgoing. 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.040 You know, you throw sticks up, you catch them, you 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:55.040 twirl them, you like make faces to the crowd, you 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:59.640 point at people. You you are very a big, huge 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.920 personality on stage, but then when you talk to you 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.040 one on one, you're a pretty reserved, pretty quiet. So 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:11.720 so tell me the story of how Dustin turned it 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:18.400 into the legendary Dusty Saxon rock star. That's That's It's 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.679 funny that you bring up that way because I've actually 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.840 when I was younger, like in high school, I would 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.640 kind of refer to it in my head as the 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.000 Dusty Saxton switch, Like when you turn on Dusty and 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:38.360 when you turn it off. And that came from when 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:43.040 when I was in I've always I was born to 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.960 be in a band. I was born to be a musician. 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.480 I was from I mean, I started playing drums when 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.200 I was two, and no one in my house ever 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.760 told me to stop or told me to turn it down, 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.920 even when I was out of high school and struck 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:09.160 out to join any band, no matter what type of music. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.600 I just wanted to be in a band that was serious. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.800 But where at some point in your life someone in 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.560 your family steps up and says, hey, do you really 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:21.360 want to do this the rest of your life? Or like, 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.920 is this really going anywhere? And for some reason, no 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:29.160 one in my family ever ever stopped me from doing it. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:33.880 Nobody ever, nobody ever told me, hey, maybe this isn't 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.240 going to work out, or maybe you shouldn't. And it 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:40.480 wasn't working out. It was a long enough, it was 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:46.800 a long, a long road, And to me, it was 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.520 always when it really got bad, when there were no 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:57.240 gigs or I was ultimately broke, the fear of not 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.920 doing it, the fear of going back to a day job, 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:04.760 or the fear of giving up, was always worse than 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.920 whatever situation I was currently in that's the truth right there. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:15.760 So I just never, like even at the like at 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:17.240 the end of a hard day or at the end 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:22.040 of a hard week, I was always I just I 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:26.400 guess I would just never. I don't know when you 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.440 when you finally find what path you want to go down, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.920 you if you can't let yourself give up, or you 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:39.520 can't let yourself even think about giving up. And that's 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:44.120 the story man behind so much, so much, whether it's athletes, musicians, 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:48.520 anybody that has really good success, you hear that same thing, 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.720 that that the fear of not doing your dream and 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.320 living out what you've always thought you were supposed to 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:59.000 do is always greater than the worst day, the worst 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.920 practice if you're athlete, the worst gig if you're a musician. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.800 And that's what has people ask me like, how do 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.040 you what's your key to success? I was just like, 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.800 I just never stopped. I wasn't more talented, I wasn't smarter. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.960 I just went longer than all my friends that were 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.800 doing it exactly, And you don't you have to not 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.200 surround yourself with people that make you want to stop. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:29.120 Because I was so dedicated to my dream or my idea, 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.360 my path that I wanted to live. That it was 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.400 hard to be friends with me if you weren't also 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:41.520 on that same page. So like I you know, people 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.160 that other musicians or even other bands I was in 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.839 that where the other members, whether they weren't quite as 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.400 motivated as me, or even if they just were motivated 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.360 to do other things like have a family or a 0:13:54.480 --> 0:14:01.319 house or anything else like the I just I didn't 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:06.640 attract friends that. I mean, it was very hard to 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.880 be friends with me if you weren't on board with 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.720 or or if you couldn't understand what it's like to 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:18.000 be fully on board date with something really hard. So 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.080 that that brings up a point. Tell me about the 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:25.200 amount of time you've spent homeless on purpose, like not 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.720 not sidewalk homeless multiple times multiple times in my life 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.680 you've made a living or you've made a lifestyle at 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:36.000 some point, not now, but in your past literally living 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:40.360 on friends couches. Yeah, I mean when I was, like 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.640 I said, from from a from a very young age, 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.240 I mean from kindergarten, I wanted to be a drummer 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:52.040 in a band, and my whole childhood I struggled with 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.080 what does that even mean? How do you you just 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.600 find a band, do you start a band? And like 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.320 I said, I'm not the type of person who is 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.640 I don't have these original ideas from the beginning. I 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:08.720 don't have a lot of I don't have a lot 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.160 of ideas that start from the ground up, or if 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:12.840 I do, they start from the ground up and they 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:18.920 go a quarter of the way. But I can, like 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.840 from a I didn't know. I had no concept in 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.960 my mind of how to start a career as a drummer. 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.600 And then once I was in once I was in 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.960 high school, I started playing in bands, but we didn't 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.160 make any money, and our shows were in high school 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:49.160 gyms and parking lots and things. And when when I 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.960 discovered I remember the first gig I ever got paid 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.600 to play, and it was in college station and I 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.640 was playing bass for a reggae band and the singer 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:00.840 came up at the end of the show and the 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.880 singer gave me twenty bucks and he said, I said, 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.120 what's this for it? And he said, well, the bar said, 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.320 we sold this much alcohol while we were playing, and 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.720 they paid us one hundred bucks. So we split it 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.120 five ways. Each one of us gets twenty bucks. And 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:17.840 I was like, wow, because honestly, that night, I had 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.240 driven to college station and I didn't have enough gas 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.760 to get home, so I was going to have to, 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.400 like I don't know, drive my car till it ran 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.320 out of gas and call someone to come pick me up. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:33.360 And that twenty bucks, that unexpected twenty bucks, was what 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:41.280 got me home that night. And then when once I, 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.240 once I moved moved away from home and joined my 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:49.880 serious rock band, I was only twenty years old or 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:53.960 twenty one years old, so I wasn't I was. I 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.760 wasn't making much money as a twenty one year old, 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:01.880 so I never really got the taste of what it's 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.240 like to live in your own house or buy your 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.639 own car. I was living off of nothing. I was 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.800 already broke. So to go from a broke kid working 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.520 a job you hate, to go from an equally to 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:17.439 go to an equally broke kid working a job that 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:24.080 you love, it was there was no question in my mind, 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.080 like I didn't want to go back to working a 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.280 day job. I wanted to continue doing what I was doing. 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:34.560 So when when the the rock band got started, you know, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.600 took off to a certain point, it got more and 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.760 more successful, to the point where I didn't have I 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:42.560 didn't have a day job, which, of course in rock 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:44.720 bands once you get once you reach that point, it 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:48.840 starts going downhill, right, and you know, the shows, The 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:53.639 shows got fewer and more far between, the crowd started 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.320 getting thinner, and the paychecks got smaller, and I had 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.880 to move out of the house that I was living 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:04.520 in and for the first time had to be homeless, 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:09.159 living in you know, living in my car. But the 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:13.720 way I did it was the band still had shows Thursday, Friday, Saturday, 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.639 and Sunday. We played acoustic shows on Sunday, so I 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.080 would only have to I would only have to find 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:25.720 somewhere to sleep Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night, because 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.639 Thursday we'd be back on the road. So it really 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.600 was it was like, I can't afford the house I'm 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.040 living in now I have to move out, So there's 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.960 no way I'm going to be able to afford my 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:44.000 own place and I'm only going to be there three 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:49.840 days a week. Yeah, And so that began the mindset 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.600 that would follow me throughout my whole life of why 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:54.399 am I going to pay rent on an apartment that 0:18:54.440 --> 0:19:04.240 I'm never at? Yeah, And the biggest enemy of success 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.399 in that way is a fallback plan. Yeah, like my 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:09.760 father in law's got a job, my dad's got a 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:11.880 job for me waiting, or I've got a really nice 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.959 place to stay yet I don't really want to hit 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.280 the road again. But when you don't have a fall 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:21.680 fallback plan, or you seriously reject that fallback plan, you 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.680 just do it. You did whatever cost. Yeah, No, Drums 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:31.280 was always my main, main dream, my main objective. I mean, 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.800 and I tried to be a guitar player. I tried 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.800 to be a bass player. But when it really came 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.760 down to it and I was like, Okay, I want 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.040 to actually make a living with my talent or make 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:49.280 a living with my hobby, I had to really pick 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.800 the thing that I was most naturally talented at that 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:58.520 was gonna, you know, the thing that I felt like 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.200 I was actually born to do. Obviously, I wanted to 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:02.760 make them. I want to I want to make a 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:07.399 living playing music, and I could do it any so 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.600 many different ways. I had to pick the one that 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.960 was the most natural for me, the one that was 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:16.879 the one that where I had to think the less 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.720 and I think the least, and drums was the it 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.480 was the most natural way for me to do that. 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:30.000 And but you also actually really are a talented guitar player, 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:34.080 bass player, singer, and you have probably more than all that. 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.520 You have a really good ear and you could hear 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:42.720 notes and melodies and where everyone knows you you know, 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:46.480 beats and rhythm, but you have really good ear. And 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:51.399 and so, for for instance, our song America, me and 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.800 you kind of wrote that and then you took it. 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.000 And there was an old rock song that you had written, 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.800 don't know that, don't do that. And you played all 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.440 those guitars. So the demo of America was actually you 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:13.760 playing all the instruments. Yeah, and yeah, the instruments, the solo, yeah, yeah, everything. 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.280 So what made you lock in on drums? I mean, 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.199 drums is by far the hardest to set up and 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:28.240 carry and play. It takes a huge endurance to play. 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.199 And when we play hot shows, I'm always looking back 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:32.679 at you and I'm thinking I'm hot, and then I 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:37.359 remember you're back there slamming drums. Yeah. Wells it was 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:42.000 you know when I moved, when I moved away from home, 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:46.439 moved to Austin to be a professional musician. There, I 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.879 would I met some guitar players that had moved to 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.160 Austin to do the same thing, and I was. Even 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:55.080 though I may have been able to play, you know, 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:57.560 I was a good player. I didn't have the mind 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.640 of a guitar player. I couldn't communicate the two other 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:03.119 guitar players. I didn't know the notes, I didn't know 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:07.200 all the chords. I could probably jump in with a 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:11.919 guitar and jump into your band and do a good job, 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:17.159 but compared to other guitar players, I really was not 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:22.080 up to part. But on drums, I had been in 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:26.240 drumline and a high school band, so I knew. I 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.600 knew what rudiments were, I knew what I knew what 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.200 time signatures were, I knew what tempo was. How I 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:37.000 knew more about drums, so that if I was gonna 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:41.159 jump into the professional music world, I knew that I 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:44.120 could communicate better on drums. I knew that I would 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:48.879 excel more on drums. It was just what I naturally played. 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.840 It's almost like if you were a baseball player or 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:56.639 a football player, and you were a naturally good pitcher 0:22:56.760 --> 0:23:00.760 or a naturally good quarterback or a naturally good receiver, 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.360 or if you had really good speed, you wouldn't want 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:08.320 to have a dream of being a lineman or something, 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:10.679 you know, Like I had to really focus on what 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:13.879 am I naturally good at, the best at what is 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:17.480 going to take me the furthest and drums was that 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.960 and that's why I always settled on it. It's also 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:25.560 why I play have always played a crazy big drum set, 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:31.600 because one it reminds me of high school band ays 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:35.680 where you had to assemble your percussion section based off 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:41.000 of what songs you played, not just show up to 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:46.240 a gig with the same drum set. Like when our 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.560 shows got bigger and crazier, my drum set got bigger 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.919 and crazier. When the shows are smaller and quieter, I 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:55.159 sometimes try to play a smaller, quieter drum set. I 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:58.399 try to play to the room and to the crowd, 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:03.400 and that just become that just is from me not 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:06.399 wanting to be an annoying drummer. I don't want to 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:08.399 be the drummer that shows up to the dinner gig 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:13.160 with a massive loud you know, and play too loud. 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.199 And that that comes from being a guitar player and 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:20.760 being a drummer in other bands with or being you know, 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:25.720 in other bands where I wasn't playing drums. One of 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:28.919 my greatest accomplishments in my music career is keeping Dusty 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:32.879 Saxon in the band. I remember when I when I 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:36.840 first got you, I was kind of in a bind, 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.640 and you just happened to be in between gigs you were. 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.600 You were just off the road with Evans Blue, yep, 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:47.760 and so you had like a month that you could 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.280 pick up some gigs and make some cash. And so 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.879 I wasn't thinking long term as you my drummer. I 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:55.440 was thinking, this is going to buy me some time. 0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:59.359 In fact, we were auditioning drummers with you in the band, 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:01.720 like you were the sit in drummer that was also 0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:04.359 all of our friend and you were going to help 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:08.480 us find a drummer. It just so happened that along 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:12.320 the way we were gaining popularity quickly, and like the 0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:16.600 stars aligned where your Evans Blue gig ran out. And 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:20.520 I remember one time somewhere in some town, in some 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:26.960 crappy green room, you said I'm gonna play Arenas, whether 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:31.680 it's with you or not. And I remember thinking, God, challenge, 0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:34.000 challenge accepted. And you didn't say that like in a 0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:36.600 demeaning way to us, You're just kind of letting me 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:39.240