1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: coacht a imparanormal podcast network where we offer you podcasts 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: of the supernatural and the unexplained. Get ready now for 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The thoughts and 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast a out employees of 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: For almost twenty five years, I've been on a journey 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: to prove the existence of life after death. On each episode, 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: will discuss the reasons we now know that our loved 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: ones have survived physical death and so will we well 15 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. We've heard the expression near 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: death experience so many times, but have you ever heard 17 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: about the shared death experience. Today, I want to introduce 18 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: you to William Peters, who's the founder of the Shared 19 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: Crossing Project, and it's all about raising awareness of this 20 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: profound healing experience. That's possible for the dying and their 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: loved ones at the end of life. William's own near 22 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: death experiences and various shared death experiences inspired him to 23 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: create this project. You can find out more about William 24 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: at Shared Crossing dot com. Hello William, welcome, Thank you, 25 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. You are most welcome. So 26 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: let's hear about you. You are a family therapist and 27 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: a psychotherapist. Am I correct? That's correct. I'm a I'm 28 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: a marriage of family therapist, licensed living in California in 29 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: Santa Barbara, California, and I'm a staff therapist at the 30 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: Family Therapy Institute. And then I also, as you mentioned, 31 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: founded and direct the Shared Crossing Project as well as 32 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: its research arm, the Shared Crossing Research Initiative, exploring you know, 33 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: basically the methods that we have created to facilitate shared 34 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: crossing experiences. This experience, these experiences where people basically report 35 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: that they feel they've received communication from their loved ones 36 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: to please their loved ones from the other side, and 37 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: it usually happens around death, both before death, during a 38 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: death and dying experience, and afterwards as well. It's pretty incredible. 39 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to hearing about this. How did 40 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: you get into this in the first place. Did something 41 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: happen that brought you into the world of wanting to 42 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: research these shared crossings? Thank you. I'm chuckling as you 43 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: asked that question, because when I was growing up, I 44 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: never thought I'd be doing the work that I'm doing now. 45 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: And because you know, when you're in the the field 46 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: of death and dying, if you will, it's um. I 47 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: don't think that many people kind of set their sights 48 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: on the new child. Uh so, yes, it is. It 49 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: is absolutely my key experiences, if you will, that brought 50 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: me here, And really the first one when it was 51 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: when I was seventeen years old skiing at Squaw Valley 52 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: and Lake Tahoe and had a high speed skiing accident, 53 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: crushed my back and immediately was catapulted out of my 54 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: body and found myself sailing away from my physical body. 55 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: I was really in no pain at all. I was 56 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: enjoying the beauty and majesty of the universe. How a 57 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: life review going on the same time as I was 58 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: sailing away from my body. And then I was in 59 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: this tunnel and very much at peace and enamored by 60 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: this all. And then I saw this light at the 61 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: end of the tunnel, and I realized I was like, 62 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: oh wow. At first it was just amazing, and then 63 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: I realized I'm dying, and I realized I did not 64 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: want to die, and it really arose in me quite quickly. 65 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: And this isn't what a lot of near death experiences 66 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: will report. In fact, most near death explorence experiences will 67 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: report that they're so uh enthralled and drawn to the 68 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: love that there they don't really want to go back 69 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: to their human life. But for me, I was very 70 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: clear I had not done my work. I felt like 71 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: I had a mission and a purpose in this human life, 72 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: and at seventeen years old, I wasn't I wasn't done, 73 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: and so I played with that light, which I referred 74 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: to as God. I grew up Catholic, and I, you know, 75 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: beg to go back, and just for the reasons I mentioned, 76 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: I want to go back and live my life. I 77 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: have work to do, I i you know, and God 78 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: very gently and lovingly pushed back on me and said 79 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: telepathically I never really heard the words as kind of 80 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: landed in my being as make something of your life. 81 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: And I returned to my to you know, to the 82 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: ski slope and went about living my life. Although I 83 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: was changed very deeply from that experience, I didn't think 84 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: about it, didn't even mention that experience for about ten years, 85 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: but it did transform me in meaningful ways. I find 86 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: myself after graduating from college signing up to work with 87 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: in Central and South America with the Judgment International Volunteers, 88 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: which is a liberal arm of the Catholic Church, and 89 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: working with the poor and in the missions as they 90 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: call them. It was nothing about it was prostaalizing. It 91 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: was entirely about social service and social justice, which I loved, 92 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: and so I through that tour of duty. I ended 93 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: up It's about a four years and I ended up 94 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: in guatemal and Peru, and there was a great deal 95 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: of nor civil wars going. So I was really put 96 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: face to face with a great deal of human suffering, 97 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: human dislocation, UH, illness, pain and death UH. And that 98 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: was really opening my mind and perspective about how just 99 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: how painful the human experience can be and how brutal 100 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: we can be to each other. But I also learned 101 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: a lot about courage and compassion and tolerance from the 102 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: people that we're living in these wars. Most of the 103 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: victims of this were obviously the poor and a lot 104 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: of the Imda Indians, the indigenous people of southern Peru, 105 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: and so there was a whole shamanistic element that I 106 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: was learning there as well, about how they see this 107 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: human life as a journey apart a stop on the 108 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: human and the soul of the of the human being. 109 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: So they were much more at peace in a certain way, 110 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: not not upset and not vocal about the atrocities, but 111 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: at the existential level, they had a peace about themselves 112 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: about seeing this life as temporary and there was something, 113 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, beyond this that was going to come that 114 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: was benevolent and meaningful. So with that, so I had 115 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: those experiences early in my life. I also my return 116 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: from true I worked in the San Francisco is a 117 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: social worker during the midst of the AIDS epidemic, and 118 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: that was very intense. At that point in time, Um, 119 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: they didn't know that much about the HIV virus. There's 120 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: a lot of fear about a lot of judgment about 121 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: the people who contracted the HIV virus, and of course 122 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: in those days, it basically was a terminal diagnosis and 123 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: the deaths were quite brutal. But what I learned is 124 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: I worked with a lot of these primarily men, because 125 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: it was in the area I was in. It was 126 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: impacting mostly gay men. I learned that these men at 127 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: the bedside of their dying brothers were having mystical experiences 128 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: and they would come and talk to me about them, 129 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: and I was quite interested in them. So I learned 130 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: early that there were these extraordinary experiences where they felt 131 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: that they were visited by loved ones. That they often 132 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: expressed that it was like I was pulled out of 133 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: my body and go and I went with my loved 134 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: one somewhere. There were all these phenomena that were quite meaningful, 135 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: and we would gather and I was a you know, 136 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: social worker, and I was open, so we would gather 137 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: and uh and talk about this. I remember going to 138 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: an encampment of homeless people and a fourth floor of 139 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: a abandoned building and they were gathering and I came 140 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: and we were They were talking about the death of 141 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: one of their friends, brothers, what have you, And they 142 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: were sharing like it's like a campfire, they were sharing 143 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: what they each experienced. It was very mystical and very 144 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: spiritual and very meaningful. This, This is where the early 145 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: experiences that taught me that death is a lot more 146 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: than there's a lot more going on um than than 147 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: we give credit to. So I had another near death 148 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: experience and then I see you where I just had 149 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: a blood imbalance and was floating above my body for 150 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: about four to six hours and very much at peace again. 151 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: But I stayed very much in the earth realm and 152 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: I recovered from that. And then at this point I 153 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: was very interested in what happens at death, what is 154 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: my truest nature? And I was with my grandmother when 155 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: she was dying, and I heard her talking, yelling actually 156 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: at people in her room, and she was you know, 157 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: I walked in one day and she was very vehemently 158 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: engaged in the conversation, looking at the ceiling, her eyes fixated, 159 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: and I realized, this is something real here. I kind 160 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: of I could feel a bubble around her, like she 161 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: was in a different dimension. I started taking notes on 162 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: it and went back to my uncle, who was the 163 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: elder in the family at that time, and compare all 164 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: the the notes that I took, and he said, oh, 165 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: my god, those are people from her life fifty years ago. 166 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: And and I said, oh, my gosh, and the content 167 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: matched up and everything. So this told me and now 168 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: now in our research, and this is well known, these 169 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: are called pre death visions, but this is just another 170 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: data point. They got me interested in eventually getting into 171 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: zen hospice hospice work in San Francisco, And it was 172 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: when I worked in hospice on a four bed open 173 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: word hospice in San Francisco that was a public hospital, 174 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: so there were a lot of indigent people coming through, 175 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: which basically meant they didn't have a lot of caregivers 176 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: for them except for the volunteers and the volunteer hospice workers. 177 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: And also it meant that their stays could be rather 178 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: short because they often be transferred from another hospital with 179 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: very little time to live. But this was really a 180 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: beautiful opportunity both to care for people at the end 181 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: of their life, but also to be present with them 182 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: as they were transitioning. And one afternoon I was working 183 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: with a man we'll call Ron, and I was just 184 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: reading him a story and he was semi conscious. I 185 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: don't even think he opened his eyes. I know he 186 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: didn't even open his eyes during the whole time that 187 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: I was reading with them. But during this story. At 188 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: one point I popped out of my body and I 189 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: was suspended about my body and looking down at my body, 190 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: and his body went and then I realized he was 191 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: right up next to me, also suspended in this other dimension, 192 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: and he was smiling, almost as if to say to me, 193 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: check this out, check this out. Now. I didn't know 194 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: what this experience was at the time. I don't even 195 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: think I stopped reading. I don't know how much time 196 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: I spent up there with him, but I know that 197 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: it was pleasant, and I knew that it reminded me 198 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: of my experience, and I see you my previous near 199 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: death experience a few years earlier, where I was just 200 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: suspended about my body in what I would call just 201 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: my consciousness. So I came back into my body at 202 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: some point and went to my supervisor, a lovely director 203 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: of that location as an practitioner, and I said, I 204 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: shared with him my experience, and I was very excited, 205 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: and he was very aquantumous, as most Buddhist practitioners are, 206 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: and he said, oh, William, that's just phenomenal. Let it go. 207 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: So I did let it go, although I did have 208 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: many more experiences there at Zen hospice of that type, 209 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: always different, but feeling like I was being pulled into 210 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: the afterlife with the people I was working with. William, 211 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: we have to take a quick break and when we 212 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 1: come back, we'll hear more about the shared death experience 213 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: and find out what it's like when a person shares 214 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: in the transition of someone dying. You're listening to Shades 215 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast 216 00:12:53,600 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: to Coast a M Paranormal podcast network. Stay right there, 217 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: there's more Sandra coming right out, hey, folks. 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Coast to Coast 235 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: a M dot com is where you want to be. 236 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 237 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: Coast a M paranormal podcast network with the best shows 238 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: that explore the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. You can 239 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: enjoy all shows on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 240 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: or wherever you find your favorite podcasts. Welcome back to 241 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we're with 242 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: William Peters, founder of the Shared Crossing Project. William, when 243 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: you have these experiences, were they similar or were they different? 244 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: Always different, but feeling like I was being pulled into 245 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: the afterlife with the people I was working with, and 246 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: very blissful, very loving, very intimate experiences and ultimately very 247 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: meaningful and affirming that there was some continuation to our 248 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: human consciousness beyond the after human death. And then you know, 249 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: my health collapsed from this. If I had suffered from 250 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: chronic pain from my skiing injury, I crushed crushed my 251 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: back and I really, you know, it wasn't a great 252 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: deal of pain, and it was getting worse and I 253 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: actually contracted lyme disease and I ran across This is 254 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: a long story thing on the trunk kit, I learned 255 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: about John of God in Brazil, this amazing spirit healers 256 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: dealer of who brings in disincarnate spirits who are been elevident, 257 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: loving and so I made a decision to go there, 258 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: and I brought my you know, my family, my wife 259 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: and my at that time ten month old daughter. It 260 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: seems kind of crazy now we're on a plane heading 261 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: to the middle of the Brazilian rainforest, but we did it. 262 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: And long story short, after two literally just mystical years, 263 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: um you know, meditating six seven hours a a and 264 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: being worked on in this loving Ostrom spiritual hospital, if 265 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: you will, I received a gradual Nothing happened like instantaneously, 266 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: but over time I received the healing and my back 267 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: is about better. And I have, you know, able to 268 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: live my life actively as I never was able to 269 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: do before. I always was working very hard, but I 270 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: was always compromised and in pain. Now I enjoy the 271 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: freedom of a largely pain free life, which I'm grateful for. 272 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: But after that, I came back and moved to Santa 273 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: Barbara in two thousand nine, and I was at a 274 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: conference and I heard Raymond Moody speak, and I'd always 275 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: wanted to hear him talk, and he talked about an 276 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: experience called the shared death experience and the shared death experiences. 277 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: This experience where somebody dies and their loved ones, caregivers, 278 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: or even by standards report that they felt like they 279 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: went into the afterlife with them. It's very much like 280 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: a near death experience. In fact, those of us who 281 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: researched this, Raymond Moody included basically say it's identical to 282 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: the near death experience in terms of variety of phenomenon. 283 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: None of these experiences are like they're all very unique. 284 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: But it's it's it's it's just identical. There's a near 285 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: death experience. And I, you know, my body started to shake. 286 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: I was so excited when I heard this, And you know, 287 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: I talked to Raymond afterwards and said, you know, I 288 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: know this experience. I had many of them, but something 289 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: else I think I may know how to help people 290 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: have this experience. Now as a family therapist, I was working, 291 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, in Santa Barbara at the SOUNDI Therapy Institute, 292 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: working a lot with grief and you know, death and dying. 293 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: It's just happened to be something that people would come 294 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: to me for. I was very I've always been very 295 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: good with helping people with the pains and I have 296 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: so much experience with it, so this is a big 297 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: part of my practice. Well, when I came back, I 298 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: decided I would start groups. Um, the Life Beyond Death 299 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: group was the first death group I would start on 300 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: this whole topic of well exploring what do we know 301 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: about what happens after a human death? Is their life 302 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: after a human death? And I found that these groups 303 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: were incredibly well received here in Santa Barbara. And so 304 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: I've been running the Life Beyond Death group. Now probably 305 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: you know there's a Life Death one, two, three, and 306 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: we literally go into all the phenomena that we know 307 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: about about end of life, and we also even study 308 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: what happens in the spirit realm, what we know about 309 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: the spirit realm and so but then the then the 310 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: what people got most interested in, I would say, and 311 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: certainly nationally, was the methods that I and other my 312 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: other colleagues were developing to facilitate the shared death experience. 313 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: I realized that there are signposts if you will, there's 314 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: a there's a map, there's a geography, there's a landscape 315 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: that goes from this human life into the next life. 316 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: And I, having traversed as a variety of times, um 317 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: felt like I could serve as a guide for people. 318 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 1: So that Shared Crossing Pathway program is a program that 319 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: does two things. It prepares people basically psychologically, emotionally, uh, 320 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: spiritually for death and dying for themselves I should say 321 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: aging decline and eventual death for themselves and their loved ones. 322 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: And I say it that way because most of the 323 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: people that take our group now are people that are 324 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: just interested in getting prepared for this great event of 325 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: of dying. Uh. They know they're gonna have it, they 326 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: know their loved ones are gonna have it, so they're 327 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 1: getting ready in advance, are getting prepared. And then at 328 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: the second, once we've done these preparatory steps, which are 329 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: what I call kind of lightening the soul and reconciling 330 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: our lives, and dealing with our unfinished business in a 331 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: very loving way. Then we we teach them the protocols, 332 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: the shared Crossing protocols, which are the specific steps to 333 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: facilitate the share death experience. And then they practice these 334 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: protocols regularly with their loved ones subsequent to the training, 335 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: and then people tend to come back for more. We 336 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: have a very active community in Santa Barbara, but we 337 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: have people coming in for our trainings around the country, 338 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: and I also now you know, offer the trainings and 339 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: other locations around and people, you know, I'll go and 340 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: work with groups of people who want to learn them 341 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: as well, hostice organizations, what have you. So that's kind 342 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: of what I do, and that's how I got there. 343 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: And thank you for listening. Oh my gosh, I'm amazed 344 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: that there's so you can teach somebody kind of how 345 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: to induce this shared crossing experience. Yeah, thank you. You 346 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: know so, yes, and we got what happened when we 347 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: were um in the initial days of the Life Beyond 348 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: Death groups, and we used to call the Pathway program 349 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: the Share Crossing Training Program. Well, some researchers at UCSP 350 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: University of California, Santa Barbara and the Religious studies department 351 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: in cognitive Sciences department got interested because they saw kind 352 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: of a whole cultural movement happening here that they were 353 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: moved by, and so they started sitting in in our groups. 354 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: We had a you know, one particular, his name is 355 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: Dr Michael Quincella, sitting in and studying what is it 356 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: about these people and about this curriculum that has people 357 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: so engaged with a topic death that most people run from. 358 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: So he saw this as a religious spiritual movement, which 359 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: it is in a certain way, and he called it 360 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: kind of it's part of this new spirituality movement, which 361 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: is a whole topic unto itself, people that are identify 362 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: as being spiritual but not religious and um, and so 363 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: you can when you say it that way, you kind 364 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: of get what that means. But then I said, oh, 365 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: it's fine if you want to study as I said, 366 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: but I'm really interested in something else. Can you help 367 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: me set up a framework and a scholarly framework they 368 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: can test our methods And he did, so, you know, 369 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: we kind of set up you know, we did all 370 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: these intakes and all these all these research processes um 371 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: to study the experiences of our participants so when a 372 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: death would happen, then we would have a series of 373 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: steps and protocols to follow up with them. We would 374 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: support them beforehand in addition to doing the Shared Crossing 375 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: training program or the Pathway program. We would then work 376 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: with them through the process if they were open. Sometimes 377 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: they were in some part other part of the country 378 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: and we couldn't work with them as directly to support them, 379 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: and that's fine, but they would often call us back 380 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: and share their experience. And what we found was fifty 381 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: percent of our alums two in our Shared Um Crossing 382 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: Pathway program, we're having shared death experiences of them. We're 383 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: having some sort of shared crossing experience. And I will 384 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: just take a moment to describe the difference. There's if 385 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 1: you know, if you're our listeners are interested, you can 386 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: just go to share Crossing dot com and go look 387 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: up share Crossing spectrum. But there's eight experiences that we 388 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: found that our alums were having, and one was pre 389 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: death premonitions about their death or death of a loved one, 390 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: usually happened about two years in advance, pre death dreams 391 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: and visions, which is a kind of communication with a 392 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: loved one on the other side. Or an angelic being 393 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: of some type. Terminal lucidity, which is this experience of 394 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: people being able to exhibit behaviors that are physiologically unexplainable. 395 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: That means they blind, people can see. People with dementia 396 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: can coherently talk to their loved ones even though they've 397 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: been comatose for you know, long period of time. That's 398 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: like they come to they have a heightened state of 399 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: vitality and are able to converse with as if they've 400 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: been actively involved in their lives recently, when in fact 401 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: they were largely in a demented state. Uh. And then 402 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: we had the shared death experience, which I defined deathbed coincidences, 403 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: which are these experiences where somebody dies and somebody remote 404 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: from them, you know, nonlocal, could be across continents, um 405 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: get some sort of message or usually it's kind of 406 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: an electrical, energetic uh communication where they just respond by saying, 407 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: I think so and so has died, and then they 408 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: follow it up and they find out, oh my god, 409 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: that's what happened. And then the post death dreams and visions, 410 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: and then there's direct post death communication, which is fascinating, 411 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: whereas people feel like the words we hear is it's 412 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: like my deceased loved one is in my head responding 413 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: to my questions without me even knowing that I'm asking. 414 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: I get the response and I know it's from him 415 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: or her. And then the last pieces postest synchronicities, which 416 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: is these experiences of phenomena in the world and our 417 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: natural world primarily that reminds us of the loved one. 418 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: So that's like you're driving down the road you think 419 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: of your loved one and your their favorite music comes on, 420 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: or you walk into a room and you see the 421 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: digital clocks all reflecting the time that your loved one 422 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: died or the date of an anniversary, you know, all 423 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: this type of Once again, these are more electronic phenomena. 424 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: And I have, you know, incredible data on this, just 425 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: reports from self studies, our self reports, and also animals 426 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: are involved in this. You know, we live in Santa 427 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: Barbara on the water here and people will talk about, 428 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, send me a sign as they're walking down 429 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: the beach, and all of a sudden, dolphins start jumping 430 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: and whales upp here. It's just like, are you kidding me? 431 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: So anyway, So that's kind of that um and we 432 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: can't we seem to be able to facilitate these experiences, 433 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: and we don't really know why. My theory is that 434 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: we basically open people to these capacities, bring them into 435 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: relationship with a deeper consciousness within themselves and with their 436 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: loved ones, and when they're at a moment where that 437 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: veil gets thin, then communication happens that they feels personal 438 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: and it's very meaningful to them. This is fascinating, amazing, 439 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: and we'll be back in just a minute. You're listening 440 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio 441 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. At 442 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: paranormal date dot com, you meet the most fantastic people. 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You're listening to 481 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 482 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: podcast network, heard on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 483 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: or wherever you find your favorite shows. Welcome back to 484 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we're with 485 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: William Peters, founder of the Shared Crossing Project. William, I'm 486 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: just left in awe that this is all possible, that 487 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: this is reality. You know, I am right, Yeah, I'm 488 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: with you on that, Sandra. I mean every day when 489 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: I'm working with people, I just pinched myself saying, oh 490 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: my god, what a world we live? In and seemingly death, 491 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: this event that we are so culturally programmed to get 492 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: space from and push off and be afraid of, is 493 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: actually a portal to some of humanity's most meaningful, transcendent, enlivening, 494 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: and ultimately loving experiences. It's like the best of the 495 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: human experience is available at the end of a human 496 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: life and just before and after, which is fantastic because 497 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: I think in our culture, I mean an American, you know, 498 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: we've death has been kind of a hidden thing. You know, 499 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: nobody's dying in the households anymore, and we're not taking 500 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: care of our our older folks and and being part 501 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: of it. It's all, you know. It's usually something that 502 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: shows up that oh my gosh, you just heard so 503 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: and so just died, And our people die at a 504 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: nursing home, and it's kept hidden and mysterious and scary, 505 00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: but not so when we can study it and learn 506 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: about it. And I'm just I'm really interested in finding 507 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: out more personally because I can imagine years from now, 508 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: when more and more and more people are trained in 509 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: this personally and have this education, how much easier the 510 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: the process will go of our bodily death. But then 511 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, we'll share it with a loved one, will 512 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: still be able to communicate it, and just how that 513 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: will keep our bonds strong through the veil. And you know, 514 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. There's just so much 515 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: more information and I should say, like scholarly research that's 516 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: coming out that suggests that what was previously thought to 517 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: be kind of by the modern kind of scientific materialists 518 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: within our culture, and certainly that's the dominant mindset within 519 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: our medical industrial complex, is it now this data is 520 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: pouring out. It's been there all along, but now there's 521 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: more and more attention given to it that suggests just 522 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: what you're saying is that we need to start looking 523 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: at the human experience as incorporating including this continuation of consciousness, 524 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: this this strengthening or continuing of bonds beyond human death. 525 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, in my community here we talk 526 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: honestly about you know, this communication that people are having 527 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: with their loved ones. And you know, this is not 528 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: in any way to say that the grief when a 529 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: when a loved one dies is not profound and melancholic 530 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: and but you know, but you know, grief is the 531 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: is the price we pay for for the love we shared. Yeah, 532 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: and so we need to make space for that grief 533 00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: as natural and human and healthy. And yet the relationship transforms. 534 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: As I say to people, you know, you know, death 535 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: is the end of a human life, It is not 536 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: the end of the relationship. The relationship continues, and we 537 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: need to put more emphasis on how we can strengthen 538 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: that that relationship in ways that make that makes sense 539 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: and are healthy. And we're learning how to do that, 540 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: you know. And I think working with the direct post 541 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,239 Speaker 1: death communication. And you know, I think mediums are very 542 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: helpful in connecting us, you know, when you get it, 543 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: really skilled qualified medium they speak to this as well. 544 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: But I I, you know, I don't, I don't. We 545 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: don't have any valence towards mediums in our work. We're 546 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: all about natural experience developed through consciousness and practice. Yeah. 547 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: I think each one of us is a you know, 548 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: one of these infinite souls that's here on planet Earth 549 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: and a human body that we are much more powerful 550 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: than we know. And you know, many of us have 551 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: some I think we all do, you know, some abilities 552 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: that just run untapped. And if you don't have to 553 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: go outside of yourself to have some of these experiences. 554 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: It's great. Yeah, I know I would once again, I 555 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: very much agree and appreciate what you're saying, because you know, 556 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: we are learning about um the capacity of the human consciousness. 557 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: I mean we we kind of say that, you know, 558 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,479 Speaker 1: the amazing capacity of the human brain. But the way 559 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: I and others in the field are looking at this 560 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: as the consciousness fits within a human body and is 561 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: mediated by human brain, which is actually a limiting function 562 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: to the actual capacity of our brain. Which excuse me 563 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: of our of our consciousness, which is able to communicate multidimensionally. 564 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: And when we can in a certain way deep in 565 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: our connection to and live more from our human our 566 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,919 Speaker 1: consciousness which is you know, human now, but our consciousness, 567 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: then we open ourselves to up to so many other 568 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: experiences that I think are quite meaningful and speak to 569 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: the deepest nature of of us as eternal beings, as 570 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: infinite consciousness, as you say, as as connected to all 571 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: that exists in our world. So yes, I mean this 572 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: is worth the I think we're at very you know, 573 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: pioneering adventuresome times in this and our exploration of consciousness 574 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: and and you know, going beyond the veil. So excited 575 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: about what you're saying. And now let me just ask, 576 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: you know, on a personal level, is this something that 577 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: I could learn about now and have like a foundation 578 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: in it and a belief in it, uh, you know, 579 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: and share it with people in my life so that 580 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: when that time come, um, you know, we've already set 581 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: the groundwork and know what's coming to that sort of thing. Yes. Historically, 582 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: in the early days of the Share Crossing Pathway workshop 583 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: and training, we focused on somebody who was dying and 584 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 1: they would bring a loved one, partner, sibling, you know, child, 585 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: I mean offspring, son or daughter. And then what we 586 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: found was obviously hospice workers of in some end of 587 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: life medical professionals were interested in it, and the spiritual 588 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: seekers got interested in as well. And then what happened 589 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: was and this is was for our reading, for our research, 590 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: we need to have people dying to get the research, 591 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: but we found there was a lot of interest from 592 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: others and now anyone can take the Pathway training and 593 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: what we have found invariably in our evaluations, which I'm 594 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, so pleased to hear, how how moved people 595 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: are by this experience. People will say I had no 596 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: idea that engaging and in embracing the reality of aging, decline, 597 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,760 Speaker 1: and death for myself and for everyone I love, would 598 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: be so meaningful, would be so would bring so much 599 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: life and purpose and focus and appreciation for this life 600 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: I'm living right now and my relationships so at the 601 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: most basic level of enriching one's life. People love the training, 602 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: and this is something that I was, you know, We've 603 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: always been taught in our spiritual traditions. You know, I 604 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: think of Don Juan on uh in Carlos Costaneta's um 605 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: you know series on stories or epic of Don Juan 606 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: the Shaman, and Don Juan says, we'll live life with 607 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: death over your left shoulder, as if to say, you know, 608 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: and even talks about this, you know, if you have 609 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: something you're working out in your life, talk to death 610 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: about it. And in a certain way, we pop this 611 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,879 Speaker 1: right into the modern day, in our in our contemporary 612 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: and that people are really able to review their life, 613 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: look over the things that they regret, look over the 614 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: things they're grateful for, reconcile relationships, learn practices of compassion 615 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: and forgiveness and gratitude for themselves and others, really clarify 616 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: what matters in their life and and articulated to their 617 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: loved ones. And so we have a lot of people 618 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: that just do the workshop because it's so enriching to 619 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: them at a personal growth level, if you will, and 620 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: then others you know, and then then along with that, 621 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: you'll learn these protocols that will get you ready for um, 622 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: how to facilitate shared crossings, to be aware of them, 623 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: and how to facilitate them when you have when the 624 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: opportunity avails. And what people have said as well is 625 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: that now anytime there's a death or an illness in 626 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: their family, they feel confident, they feel comfortable, and they 627 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: feel inspired to go and help and serve. And so 628 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: many people will talk about feeling anxious when when a 629 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: when a loved one gets sicker is dying, that I 630 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: don't know what to say, I don't know what to 631 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: be with them, I have nothing to offer, or they 632 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: want to be alone, or you know, am I close enough? 633 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: And what we're finding is in our community is that 634 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: people our community, we're we're ready and willing and really 635 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: content and appreciate the opportunity to go and be with people. 636 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: Is they're you know, living out the end of their 637 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: life or have a diagnosis of some type, and that's 638 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: normally what happens as you get a diagnosis, and then 639 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,879 Speaker 1: our community, you know, various members will step in and 640 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: and and really help support them, and they come with 641 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: a presence and a confidence about what it takes to 642 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: be truly mindful at the end of human life. And 643 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 1: so though, and so yeah, we have people of all 644 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: ages taking it now and really grateful. And you know, 645 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: a lot of mental health professionals are taking it because 646 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: they deal a lot with aging decline and death and 647 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: grief and bereavement, and they feel that this really helps 648 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: get them in touch with their own mortality. And we 649 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: don't really say a whole lot about the afterlife and 650 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 1: these in these workshops, other than to say that everything 651 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: that we've learned in our research and around the world, 652 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, points to the eternity of the continuation, at 653 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: least of the human consciousness beyond human death. So it's 654 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: kind of assumed, but you don't even I've had an 655 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,879 Speaker 1: atheists and agnosis take it and ask me, I don't 656 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: want to have to take on any afterlife thoughts or beliefs, 657 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: And I said, you don't have to. This is just beneficial, 658 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: highly therapeutic and you'll be grateful. You'll feel more alive 659 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: in your life and more connected to your loved ones 660 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: as a result of this, and that is what we 661 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: get over and over again. Our our valuations are thankfully stunning, 662 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,439 Speaker 1: lee glowing, and so I'm feel grateful that were able 663 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: to offer this. William, thank you so much. When we 664 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,280 Speaker 1: come back from the break, we'll get some closing words 665 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 1: from William and how you can find out more about 666 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: shared crossings. 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And it would be 702 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:22,360 Speaker 1: really nice if there would be training for all, perhaps 703 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: a book in the future about how to prepare for 704 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: the death experience. And I really like what you said 705 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: about living life and if you have any questions talked 706 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: to death about it. Well, you know, this is really 707 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: the foundation of Eastern a lot of the Eastern traditions, 708 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: you know, most notably Buddhism. I think that Dali Lama 709 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 1: paraphrase has said something like the bedrock of any mindfulness 710 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: practice is embracing dat. We don't really emphasize the notion 711 00:44:54,680 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: of transmigration, which is called reincarnation, and that's our translation 712 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 1: for reincarnation, but it's really it's the migration of the 713 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: soul or the some some in consciousness, if you will, 714 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: from this life to the next life. You know, in 715 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,360 Speaker 1: Tibetan Buddhism there's bards in between the human lives, but 716 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: then it reincarnates in another life. And so this is 717 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: a big part of a lot of traditions and they 718 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: look at the human experience as just that, a human 719 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: experience that is used to wake us up. It's all 720 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 1: about waking up. We talked about enlightenment, but it's really 721 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 1: to wake us up to our nature as consciousness, which 722 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 1: is wise and loving, and so if we live our 723 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: lives without appreciation, then we are going to be a 724 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 1: lot happier. If you're interested, until William's book comes out, 725 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: you can look up Glimpses of Eternity book by Dr 726 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 1: Raymond Moody and it's excellent on the shared death experience. William, 727 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: It's been a great pleasure talking to you and I 728 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,760 Speaker 1: look forward to seeing you again in the future. Well likewise, Sander, 729 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: has been a pleasure to be to be in conversation 730 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: with you and to be able to offer what I've 731 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 1: learned about end of life to your listeners. And thank 732 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: you for your educational and inspiring show for the world. 733 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: I'd now like to introduce you to Tom dan Heiser, 734 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: who's the producer of the global talk radio show called 735 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM, which is heard by millions every night. 736 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 1: Tom first gave me my start when he let me 737 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 1: talk about my book We Don't Die on Coast to 738 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: Coast AM and that very night the book hit number 739 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: one in the UK, US and Canada on Amazon. And 740 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: what followed from that was a whole bunch of people 741 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: getting much needed grief, relief, faith that there is an afterlife. 742 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: And I've gotten many reports that people didn't take their 743 00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: own life because of my book. So I a great 744 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,279 Speaker 1: deal of gratitude to Tom and Coast to Coast. So 745 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: welcome Tom, and thank you on behalf of myself and 746 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,799 Speaker 1: other guests for the difference that you make for so 747 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,759 Speaker 1: many Andra, Hi, you're much too crime, but thanks for 748 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: having me. Well, this was your brain child, and of 749 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: course I had to have you because you do make 750 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 1: such a difference. I don't think you have any idea. 751 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: Between the guests that you have on the show, they 752 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 1: get their message out much further and then all the listeners. 753 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: And now I'd love to talk to you about creating 754 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: this show, what was behind it and what you got cooking, 755 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: because I know there's great things coming. Well, you just 756 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,840 Speaker 1: do a fantastic job. I'll just say that. But I 757 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,840 Speaker 1: heard radio had asked me to create a Coast to 758 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: Coast and para normal podcast network, So a whole network 759 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: of podcasts with just shows of the unexplained and the 760 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,600 Speaker 1: weird bizarre, you know, the type of things. So the 761 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 1: first one I thought about that I wanted to do 762 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,280 Speaker 1: was an afterlife show because that's one of my favorite topics. 763 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 1: And you know, I just rifle through my brain of 764 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of people that I know, and I thought, 765 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,720 Speaker 1: you know what, Sandra would be great at this. I think, right, 766 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 1: so let's give her a shot. So, as you know, 767 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: I called you and I explained what we do, and 768 00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,400 Speaker 1: you you kind of put together your demo and I 769 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, and I am not kidding, like from 770 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 1: day one you were perfect at this. I mean, you 771 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: were a great choice. And as you've done more and 772 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,640 Speaker 1: more shows, people who listen to your show, it's proven 773 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,879 Speaker 1: to them that you do a great job. So you're 774 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: the number one show that we started with, and then 775 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,880 Speaker 1: we we've added two more shows since, and we're going 776 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 1: to keep adding shows to this paranormal podcast network and 777 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,840 Speaker 1: we're just gonna grow it. And that's kind of what 778 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,279 Speaker 1: we're up to. Well, let me ask you, why is 779 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,360 Speaker 1: the afterlife topic one of your favorite kind of shows? 780 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: Because I don't know what's going to happen, and I know, 781 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,280 Speaker 1: experts like you and people we have on this show, 782 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: they say looks like this, it's gonna be great, peaceful 783 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,359 Speaker 1: or whatever happens. You know, I listen to your show, 784 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,839 Speaker 1: so I know what you say, but you know, deep down, 785 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 1: I just think to myself until I I'm like a 786 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: doubting Thomas on certain things, until I actually see it, 787 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: which I'm in no hurry to see. You know, I 788 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,760 Speaker 1: feel like I don't know, Well, you're perfect human being. 789 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,399 Speaker 1: In fact, the show that I sent you today, i'd 790 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 1: talk a little bit just about that. It's part of 791 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,880 Speaker 1: human nature to be doubting and to think of negative 792 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 1: as opposed to any miracles we've witnessed or good things 793 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 1: we've had happen, or great things about us. So you're 794 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,319 Speaker 1: in the perfect place as a listener. And I'm still 795 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,280 Speaker 1: a skeptic twenty five years on. So I think it's great. 796 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: And I thank you from the bottom of my heart, 797 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 1: not only for your kind words just now, but just 798 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,799 Speaker 1: for really believing in me and trusting me. And it 799 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,000 Speaker 1: is my goal in my promise that each show will 800 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: have integrity and really give the best information because I 801 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 1: know that there's great people listening. One thing about your show. 802 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: That I like is that you present it in a 803 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,799 Speaker 1: way that it makes you feel good. It makes you 804 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: feel still like you're not sure it, it it makes you 805 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 1: feel good. I have a problem with people after life 806 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,319 Speaker 1: experts who like say this is how it is, this 807 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,880 Speaker 1: is what's happening. Dude, you ain't been there yet, so 808 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: how do you know. Then they might say, well, yeah, 809 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,880 Speaker 1: I've died and come back. Well, okay, you've died and 810 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,319 Speaker 1: come back, but you haven't died period, so you know 811 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,840 Speaker 1: you're not there, and you just seem to present it 812 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,720 Speaker 1: in a way that's very comfortable. Thanks. Nobody has the answer, 813 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 1: and once we do, there's no way we can come 814 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 1: back and give that information. Even through the mediums that 815 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,280 Speaker 1: come through, everything gets filtered through their mind, so nobody 816 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: really knows. And I think until that the theric silver 817 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,839 Speaker 1: cord they call it, is totally cut that there's still 818 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 1: part of our humanity attached. So for people who have 819 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 1: near death experiences, there could be nine billion different experiences, 820 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 1: so we look for the similarities. But I'm thrilled. It's 821 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: the subject that I love talking about. I always thought 822 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,799 Speaker 1: people were going to think I was weird by sharing it, 823 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,400 Speaker 1: and now I get the guy from one of the 824 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 1: biggest shows in the whole wide world to believe in 825 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,319 Speaker 1: me and this message, and I think it's great, So 826 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,799 Speaker 1: I'm really really grateful. What I do like is the 827 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,920 Speaker 1: one common thread I seem to hear is everybody seems 828 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,799 Speaker 1: to see the white light Like that really gives me, 829 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: like hope. I guess I think hope is a great word. 830 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,520 Speaker 1: It is. I don't like remembering ghosts. Remember the little 831 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,719 Speaker 1: black men that came and got the bad guy? I 832 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,600 Speaker 1: hate that image. Well, I don't think that's exactly how 833 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,080 Speaker 1: it's going to happen. Not that I'm an expert, but 834 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,960 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that negative stuff happens in 835 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,520 Speaker 1: our own mind. So what's cooking for the future of 836 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,399 Speaker 1: the network? Because I know it started off with my show, 837 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,239 Speaker 1: But what are thegether shows? Because I think some of 838 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,360 Speaker 1: my listeners might enjoy them. Well, it takes like a 839 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,480 Speaker 1: good year to really grow and network properly. But up 840 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,960 Speaker 1: ahead in the future, we're going to add like a witch, 841 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,640 Speaker 1: We're going to add the psych We're going to add 842 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,000 Speaker 1: someone to do a show on monsters. So all kinds 843 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 1: of cool stuff. And it's really neat because I get 844 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,000 Speaker 1: to kind of just use my imagination and think with 845 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,080 Speaker 1: this and then find the right people. And you know, 846 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: it's funny because so far the three people that have 847 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,720 Speaker 1: shows on this network, including yourself, our guests of Coast 848 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,400 Speaker 1: to Coast, But it always isn't the case where a 849 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,760 Speaker 1: guest because they've been on the show can translate into 850 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,479 Speaker 1: doing their own show. So I might get a great 851 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,920 Speaker 1: idea and then contact a person, but they so terrible, 852 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 1: so you know, you just have to kind of balance it. 853 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,520 Speaker 1: But it's fun and we're gonna grow it and it's 854 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,719 Speaker 1: going to be really cool and you will always have 855 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, you're the first position. You started this baby Wow, 856 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,920 Speaker 1: Well you thought of the name, you thought of the idea, 857 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,000 Speaker 1: and I just want to see it through and have 858 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 1: fun with it because death is a pretty serious topic. 859 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: But when we start talking about we live on after 860 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 1: that and we still retain our sense of humor, which 861 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 1: you have a giant one, Thank you very much. It 862 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,840 Speaker 1: makes us live life differently, and shows on the I 863 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,960 Speaker 1: Heart Radio Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast network are different, 864 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,040 Speaker 1: they're unique, and it's just so good for our minds 865 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,759 Speaker 1: to be able to shut off the regular nine to 866 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 1: five thinking and you know all those heavy things that 867 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,800 Speaker 1: are mine thinks about and think about the what ifs 868 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,240 Speaker 1: and being open to new subjects and the paranormal subjects. 869 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 1: So I think it's great. What ifs are great. And 870 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,760 Speaker 1: there's so many topics, so many things in this world 871 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:41,480 Speaker 1: that you just go wow, like how did Stonehean's get there? Well, 872 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,560 Speaker 1: we know who built Coral Castle, but how did he 873 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,440 Speaker 1: do it? There's a million mysteries out there and it 874 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,239 Speaker 1: never ends, and so it's it's just a lot of 875 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,960 Speaker 1: fun to tackle this kind of stuff and do shows 876 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, and I always tell listeners to take 877 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,680 Speaker 1: what fits and what you enjoy and throw away the rest. 878 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,520 Speaker 1: There's not one person who's got all the answers. Bounce 879 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,920 Speaker 1: everything through your own filter. Whatever you enjoy, follow it. 880 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,239 Speaker 1: But it makes sense, do it, So Tom, thank you. 881 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,319 Speaker 1: Anything else you want to share, We're going to have 882 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: on a gentleman who is a palmis, you know what 883 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,759 Speaker 1: a palmises reading the palms saying I've got a long 884 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,759 Speaker 1: lifeline and yeah, and he's gonna really uh tell us 885 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,520 Speaker 1: some interesting things. This is going to be fun. I 886 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,000 Speaker 1: found out a lot about you when we first started 887 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,840 Speaker 1: this show and you have a rich background in that, 888 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,760 Speaker 1: in afterlife and your whole journey, and it's really cool. 889 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 1: So there's no use in telling the people right now 890 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 1: they're listening to listen to you, because they do listen. 891 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,439 Speaker 1: But maybe if you're listening out there, you can tell 892 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,280 Speaker 1: friends to check it out. And and it's very simple, 893 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 1: you know. You just go to I heart radio dot 894 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,280 Speaker 1: com and in the search point in Coast to Coast 895 00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,960 Speaker 1: and Paranormal and all the shows will pop up. Or 896 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,200 Speaker 1: you can download the I Heart Radio app and same thing. 897 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,400 Speaker 1: In the search, just put in Coast to Coast am Paranormal. 898 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,640 Speaker 1: All the shows will pop right up and Sandras will 899 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,399 Speaker 1: be right there and we'll do a new show each 900 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,480 Speaker 1: week and hopefully people will like it. But yeah, we're 901 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,359 Speaker 1: having some fun in Sandra. Thank you. I can't thank 902 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,439 Speaker 1: you enough, honestly, thank you too. And you can check 903 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,080 Speaker 1: out the new show of Shades of the Afterlife every 904 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,680 Speaker 1: Friday and the other shows as well. Thank you so 905 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,360 Speaker 1: much for having me. I do appreciate it. Oh you're welcome, 906 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,600 Speaker 1: and thank you for all that you do. And to 907 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,400 Speaker 1: you are wonderful listeners. Thank you for being on this search. 908 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,640 Speaker 1: You are an amazing immortal soul just having a human experience, 909 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,279 Speaker 1: and you are loved and valued by many. Remember to 910 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,759 Speaker 1: check out Shared crossing dot com. I'm Sandra Champlain and 911 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,799 Speaker 1: you've been listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the 912 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,759 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast 913 00:55:54,800 --> 00:56:05,279 Speaker 1: Network m h and if you like this episode of 914 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,080 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife, wait until you hear the next one. 915 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,919 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the Heart Radio and Coast 916 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.