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Speaker 3: Gangst the Chronicles Podcast. My name is Big Steal along
Speaker 3: with my homeboy. Yeah, and you know, A we don't
Speaker 3: have a lot of people up in here, man. We
Speaker 3: don't ask legendary people man. But tonight we got some
Speaker 3: West Coast rowty up in here, they kind of come out,
Speaker 3: you know, I know Coco is definitely from your class.
Speaker 3: Tony Aight came next. We got the legendary Tonier, the Wizard,
Speaker 3: legendary DJ and the homeboy legendary, the most featured man
Speaker 3: in the hip hop you know, mister Jerry Long aka Cocaine.
Speaker 3: What's cracking homies?
Speaker 4: Jelly right here, my brother, Thank you first and foremost
Speaker 4: for the invite. Thank you, Thank you a appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. Man, We've been meeting to get you
Speaker 3: on here a long time. And Coco was like a
Speaker 3: friend to show. You know, he got like a card,
Speaker 3: He got the little Gainst the Chronicle card in his
Speaker 3: wallet that he carried around with him. He just you know,
Speaker 3: pop pull in, pull up all the time. You know,
Speaker 3: I want to I always wanted to ask to a
Speaker 3: question man, with California's climate being what it deals with
Speaker 3: the black and brown, you know it's getting a lot better. Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: it's got definitely better over the years. Prison politics often
Speaker 3: influenced the streets. Yeah, and I don't think nobody ever
Speaker 3: gives you and Crawford, I see props for what y'all
Speaker 3: pulled off, especially in that time period. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: you and I got together and put out, you know,
Speaker 3: a legendary street album. Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well you know, first and foremost. Let me
Speaker 4: just cannot you mind if I share how I met Crawford?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: Well, Crawford was probably about sixteen years old. He was
Speaker 4: still going to Centennial High School. And for people that
Speaker 4: may not know, I started doing mixtapes for Steve Janno
Speaker 4: a Theorodium nineteen eighty seven to nineteen ninety one, and
Speaker 4: on those tapes featured Dre, cub Easy, Jjfad Tone Low, Young, MC, high, C,
Speaker 4: DJ Quick, AMG, Second to None, et cetera. I must
Speaker 4: have did maybe about thirty of those mixtapes back then.
Speaker 4: And what happened was Drey and then we're getting ready
Speaker 4: to go on tour and Jerrea told me I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna be able to wrap those mixtapes anymore. You're gonna
Speaker 4: have to get somebody else. I was like, all right, cool, so,
Speaker 4: and then Steve Biano tells me, hey, man, there's a
Speaker 4: blood way in the back. He's from Treetop Piru. He's
Speaker 4: a youngster. You know, maybe you might want to talk
Speaker 4: to him. He's got a kind of an easy e voice.
Speaker 4: I said, all right, cool, went over there and met
Speaker 4: him and we hit it off. Everything was good, man,
Speaker 4: you know, to speak things along. He came over to
Speaker 4: my house and he rapped, and I'll be honest when
Speaker 4: I told him this, I didn't think he was that
Speaker 4: good of a rapper at sixteen years old. But here's
Speaker 4: what won me over. He calls me up and he goes, hey, man,
Speaker 4: I'm performing at my school centennial.
Speaker 3: Would you come and spin for me?
Speaker 4: And I said, yeah, okay, I took my turntables. And
Speaker 4: what I really really liked about him was at sixteen
Speaker 4: years old, how he engaged with the crowd.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got hello, he got Hella showmans. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So at that time, that's pretty much what I said,
Speaker 4: Like I told Steve, just get him on a mixtape.
Speaker 4: So you know, I will say this to address your question.
Speaker 4: I grew up in Wilmington. When my family first came
Speaker 4: for a Mexico, we moved to Compton and I was
Speaker 4: there I was about nine years old. Then from there
Speaker 4: we moved to Wimington, which I still live. Wimington was
Speaker 4: blacks and Mexicans. You know, on the west side, you
Speaker 4: had water from Piru. On the east side, you had
Speaker 4: Eastside pain Bloods or Bloods, and then you had east
Speaker 4: Side weemss west Side with weil Mosk Okay. And to
Speaker 4: be honest with you, I think a lot of people are
Speaker 4: going to trip that growing up, I had more black
Speaker 4: friends than I did Mexican friends. Okay, you know, so
Speaker 4: to me that was never an issue.
Speaker 5: Was that because of the music and hip hop?
Speaker 4: I think it was the hip hop culture absolutely. A
Speaker 4: lot of people may not know that. Michael Chambers, who's
Speaker 4: known as Boola Shrimp or Turbo, was from the Eastie
Speaker 4: of Wimington, Okay, and he was one year older than me,
Speaker 4: so he actually taught me how to pop. So I
Speaker 4: hung around with him for a while and from there
Speaker 4: I was about fifteen years old when I met DJ
Speaker 4: Joe Cooley from Compton. He taught me how to spend.
Speaker 4: He was pretty much my men. Soon after that, Steve
Speaker 4: Bano introduced me to Dre Okay and then eventually I
Speaker 4: get introduced by Crawford high See to DJ Quick. So
Speaker 4: that's really like my school right there. But I will
Speaker 4: say this that being Mexican, I got a lot of
Speaker 4: shit for hanging around blacks and I never never understood that.
Speaker 4: You know, one of my brothers married to blacks. I
Speaker 4: got black in my family, I got white in my family.
Speaker 4: I got Filipino Vietnamese.
Speaker 3: You know so.
Speaker 4: And I'm glad that God allowed the rainbow colors in
Speaker 4: my family, you know, saying so. But as far as
Speaker 4: that is concerned, I always got a lot of shit
Speaker 4: because while you're over there fucking with the blacks, why
Speaker 4: don't you help Rasa? And I was always straight up.
Speaker 4: I always said, look, bro, when I meet RASA that
Speaker 4: can rap, then I'll fuck with them.
Speaker 3: That was it, Oh wow, man, because yeah, we sul
Speaker 3: just stay goga.
Speaker 1: Now just listen.
Speaker 5: So at the time when you started spinning and rap,
Speaker 5: there were no nobody was interested as far as trying
Speaker 5: to get in the hip hop. You think that was
Speaker 5: it as far as the Mexican.
Speaker 4: Side, Okay, Frost, I know he had a song called
Speaker 4: rough Cuts. I think that was like an eighty eight
Speaker 4: kid bro. Then he had another song called Terminator. He
Speaker 4: didn't drop La Raassaun til nineteen ninety. Around eighty nine ninety,
Speaker 4: there was another rap group that they were called Spanish Fly.
Speaker 4: I remember, yeah, Esse Rich Rock, DJ Tricks and Dazz,
Speaker 4: and I was working with Esse rich Rock, but when
Speaker 4: he got with the group, I pretty much just left
Speaker 4: him alone. It was either going to be High See
Speaker 4: or ss rich Rock rapping on my mixtapes, And when
Speaker 4: he got with the group, I just left them alone
Speaker 4: and I started, you know, miss around with High Sea.
Speaker 4: Other than that, I didn't really know too many other
Speaker 4: Chicano rappers that wanted to rap, you know. So everybody
Speaker 4: that I was working with what happened to be black,
Speaker 4: and I didn't have an issue with that. But even today,
Speaker 4: though today, I still get a lot of shit on
Speaker 4: my podcast because people still say all you wanted to
Speaker 4: do was fuck with those blacks and you never wanted
Speaker 4: to help our people out. Well, there was none of
Speaker 4: our people rapping, you know. And when I started working
Speaker 4: with black artists, I got paid in the late nineties,
Speaker 4: when I started working with Rosa rappers, they weren't paying me.
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the day, it is
Speaker 3: a business men, like you said, during that time period,
Speaker 3: it's not like it was an overabundance. I don't even
Speaker 3: think Chicano rap but they called Chicano rap was around
Speaker 3: yet that didn't exist. Shit that hadn't been created, right,
Speaker 3: you know, you had kid Frost. I would see Mellow mayonaise.
Speaker 3: That was a little bit later on.
Speaker 4: They actually dropped the same year, nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you had Mellow mayn a. So it wasn't
Speaker 3: It wasn't like it was a whole bunch of people
Speaker 3: because I heard the Spanish fly because I had a
Speaker 3: record store and it was a cat named Murray Brumfield. Yes,
Speaker 3: that he had kind of like he had really kicked
Speaker 3: off the Chicano rap stuff. And a lot of people
Speaker 3: don't know Mary Bromfield was a black guy. There was
Speaker 3: a teacher at Norwalk High School that was one of
Speaker 3: the founding people. I don't want to give no misinformation
Speaker 3: as far as from what I know me being a retailer,
Speaker 3: I didn't see no other like Chicano rap. I knew
Speaker 3: the kids from the high school and started coming to
Speaker 3: the store and asked for it, and that's when I
Speaker 3: said they may have something. So when Mary Bromfield walked
Speaker 3: them off store, I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 3: don't know who none of these people is, but hell yeah,
Speaker 3: because I got people asking for this, they starting to
Speaker 3: ask for us. So it was definitely a grass roots movement,
Speaker 3: and we got some ogs in here tonight because Coco,
Speaker 3: you pretty much got started around the same time. But
Speaker 3: you were out in the Mona right right you start.
Speaker 1: I started my career in eighty four.
Speaker 3: Eighty four, So you so you perceived everybody up here,
Speaker 3: what you know, everybody as far as so you was
Speaker 3: on in eighty.
Speaker 1: Four, Well, coming from my dad and coming from.
Speaker 3: Uncle, well, yeah, that's right. You had a history, you know,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 6: Was already we had to cheat cod but eight was
Speaker 6: around the time. And then prior to signing with Easy,
Speaker 6: our person was gonna sign with Bobcat.
Speaker 3: That's I was gonna say, DJ Bobcat yep.
Speaker 6: And nineteen eighty six and eighty seven I was with
Speaker 6: my uncle Willie Hutch's label, but that didn't work out
Speaker 6: because you know, they had a certain style and they
Speaker 6: didn't like all that custody and all that shit. So
Speaker 6: it really started back in nineteen eighty four years ago,
Speaker 6: I mean interject I met him.
Speaker 4: I believe it was nineteen eighty eight. One of the
Speaker 4: times that when later you came up with laid out
Speaker 4: to audio achievements.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's when I had met him. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: mentioned audio achievements with Dnavan Dirt Biker Smith, they did
Speaker 3: all the That was where NWA recorded all this stuff, right,
Speaker 3: that was where Drake was at all time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, out of in the Dirt Biker I think he's
Speaker 6: rested in peace.
Speaker 4: Then, Oh really, I haven't heard that. But you know what,
Speaker 4: me and Hunty recorded half our album there. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: we had a great time man, like you know, Dre.
Speaker 4: Each of them would leave and then we were going
Speaker 4: because we had to rint block time back then. So
Speaker 4: but Donovan was giving us like seventy five dollars an hour,
Speaker 4: but they had to be like ten hours.
Speaker 3: So but it was a good deal though.
Speaker 4: We finished it and we got a good sound out
Speaker 4: of that studio.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, that's why couldn't everybody.
Speaker 1: The days of the big budgets and he budgets for videos.
Speaker 3: You know what I say. He though. You know what
Speaker 3: was good about that was that people had to be
Speaker 3: serious about their craft. You couldn't just say I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get it, go be a rapper, because there was an
Speaker 3: entry point. If you didn't have no producer of the
Speaker 3: homie they had the four tracks in his garage or
Speaker 3: the eight track. You had to kick it in some
Speaker 3: money and even then messing with the homies. In some
Speaker 3: cases you had to kick you here some money.
Speaker 5: I started in the garage.
Speaker 1: I was just the same. We started from the garage.
Speaker 5: Tables and just making making tapes, just rapping over like
Speaker 5: like they call mixtapes today. That's how we was doing
Speaker 5: it back then, rapping over niggas beats and just shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a different area.
Speaker 6: That was the time where we used to you know,
Speaker 6: stop the tape, the tapes.
Speaker 1: Paul's tapes, you know, that was that was That was an.
Speaker 3: Experience though putting the Palls tapes. I'm gonna ask each
Speaker 3: of you all the question. This includes you two eight
Speaker 3: when you first started doing this as a little kid man,
Speaker 3: because everybody start with the same vision. You just fall
Speaker 3: in love. You ain't thinking about getting paid, You ain't
Speaker 3: thinking about none of that. You just like, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be an MC, I'm gonna rap, I'm gonna be a DJ.
Speaker 3: Did you ever think that she would achieve the things
Speaker 3: that you achieved? No, And I will tell you why.
Speaker 4: You know, I started popping and I thought I was
Speaker 4: pretty good, and then breaking came in and I thought
Speaker 4: I was pretty good, but I was just too damn
Speaker 4: tall for breaking. So so when I started DJing was
Speaker 4: pretty much when I got introduced to when I saw
Speaker 4: Joe Cooley spind back in the day and he was
Speaker 4: spending less work, he was doing dual did he he
Speaker 4: was doing and the be goes on by orbit he
Speaker 4: was cutting it up. I knew that's what I wanted
Speaker 4: to do at that moment, you know. And I actually
Speaker 4: got really really good and never became a KD and
Speaker 4: mixed master. And now that i'm today that I'm close
Speaker 4: to Tony G I tell him, like bro, I always
Speaker 4: wanted to be a KD and mixed master. I just
Speaker 4: didn't know how to go about it, you know. But
Speaker 4: to answer your question, Steve Iano, the the swamp me
Speaker 4: vender from the city of Whittier, the Japanese man, He's
Speaker 4: the one that pretty much opened the door for me,
Speaker 4: and I probably wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him,
Speaker 4: because he knew everybody. He introduced me to Violet Brown
Speaker 4: and a happy birchrut there because her birthday was yesterday.
Speaker 3: Ye had the birthday Violet. For those that don't know,
Speaker 3: Violet Brown was a pivotal piece. It's a pivotal piece
Speaker 3: in West Coast history. She was the buyer for Warehouse
Speaker 3: Music and always had an open door policy with everybody.
Speaker 4: Yes, so he choose me to Herd, He choose me
Speaker 4: to Dre, Steven choose me to Easy Jinks. My very
Speaker 4: first record that I read did scratching on was for
Speaker 4: Jink's produced a record for a rapper named Dazzy D
Speaker 4: and they were signed to Kelvin Anderson. Much love and
Speaker 4: respect to him, the owner of VIP Records. So that
Speaker 4: was in nineteen eighty seven and we recorded that at
Speaker 4: Echo Sound. That was the first first time I met
Speaker 4: Pool and I met King T the engineer there was
Speaker 4: VOCHEK and that was my first record that I were
Speaker 4: just scratching on. So I knew I was on my
Speaker 4: way up because of Steve. He introduced me to everyone.
Speaker 4: And then when he bought me my first SP twelve hundred,
Speaker 4: twelve hundred drum machine, I didn't know how to use it.
Speaker 4: The you know, the manual was like this big, like
Speaker 4: a damn phone book. And he just told me, I'll
Speaker 4: take you to Dre's. And I was just like, you're
Speaker 4: gonna take me to Dre?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: I didn't know if Dre was it. Didn't really have
Speaker 4: no money at the time. We went to his apartment
Speaker 4: in the Paramount. Michelle opens the door. I walked in
Speaker 4: with my turntable. He was in a team out of
Speaker 4: sample and he had nothing in his apartment. So I
Speaker 4: asked him like, how long have you been living here?
Speaker 4: And he said like six months?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 4: And I was like, okay, cause you don't even have
Speaker 4: a table, and he goes, don't you put it on
Speaker 4: the floor. So he put it on the floor and
Speaker 4: we both laid down and he was laying down next
Speaker 4: to me. He was like, put the record here, here's
Speaker 4: the volume. Here's like you sample. Here's like your trunk
Speaker 4: eat just has ten seconds, two point five seconds.
Speaker 3: Pretty simple.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to put that record on forty five,
Speaker 4: then slow it down here, then record get your tempo
Speaker 4: in there. And I have photographic memories. I was able
Speaker 4: to remember everything. That's crazy.
Speaker 3: So you learned how to program a SB twelve hundred,
Speaker 3: land on the floor in the apartment and pair a
Speaker 3: month with doctor Dre.
Speaker 5: I learned how to program an NPC by just watching slip.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I didn't read no manu or none of that shit.
Speaker 3: That's how I kind of was just being around.
Speaker 5: Just went and barked one one day and said, fock it,
Speaker 5: I don't FeelA, go for bro. That's how you teach yourself. Shit.
Speaker 5: I learned some shit and I didn't want to do
Speaker 5: that shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Cooco, did you ever think you would axceieve or
Speaker 3: did you ever think you'd be the most featured nigga
Speaker 3: and hip hop most featured man of hip hop? Nah?
Speaker 3: I wantn't take it like that.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I had to work because they wouldn't play my name
Speaker 6: on the radio, you know, and it was kind of
Speaker 6: tough for me, you know what I mean. But you know,
Speaker 6: when Easy he passed, that was our lifeline to the game.
Speaker 6: And then all the assets got frozen and all that.
Speaker 6: So nine times out of tien and I go to
Speaker 6: the studio and for some reason, people might style and
Speaker 6: it just kept going and snowballing, and.
Speaker 3: I just didn't stop.
Speaker 6: Then when I looked up you know wife, he had said, uh,
Speaker 6: you know how many features?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 6: I said, Nah, I didn't think about that, he said,
Speaker 6: I said, now I'm thinking about that, right, You know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Because you know, a list artists too, uh,
Speaker 6: major artists. I was always working, you know, the Chicanos,
Speaker 6: you know, doing a lot of stuff with Chicano brothers
Speaker 6: that you know, put food on the table, period, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. So I enjoyed doing what I'm doing.
Speaker 6: Sometimes it was good, sometimes it wasn't. But I love music,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. So I tell anybody it's
Speaker 6: cool then to.
Speaker 1: Make some snaps, but you got to love what you do.
Speaker 3: It don't do it at all.
Speaker 1: It's real love what I did.
Speaker 6: And plus, you know, putting the food on the tables everything,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. So I lucky years later
Speaker 6: and I'm glad those doors shut in my face because.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to play cocaine on the radio. He
Speaker 1: said he died, but it was.
Speaker 6: In me and not only I had to work. You
Speaker 6: don't work, you don't eat. I just kept working because
Speaker 6: the money was good, you know, and sometimes it wasn't,
Speaker 6: you know. But then again, you know, you know, I'm
Speaker 6: grateful for every moment that I was able to endure
Speaker 6: all these years and never did stop for the last
Speaker 6: thirty five years. So you know, I'm here years later,
Speaker 6: being the most future recording artists in the world, and
Speaker 6: it's cool. You know, it's something primarily to you know,
Speaker 6: give to my the legacy, to my family. But then also,
Speaker 6: you know, years later I look at all the influence
Speaker 6: and it's just surreal.
Speaker 1: I never did talk that.
Speaker 3: That's dope. You know what I was going to ask you, man,
Speaker 3: you did a record, man, because you will work with
Speaker 3: pretty much everybody. It ain't nobody that you haven't worked with.
Speaker 3: I heard you on the record with Puff right all
Speaker 3: people with all this stuff. He gonna puthrough.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I had to, man, I had to when you was
Speaker 3: in that studio, in the studio with Puff, when y'all
Speaker 3: did that record.
Speaker 6: I went out there to Miami and uh at that time, Uh,
Speaker 6: that's the piece.
Speaker 1: Donnie from six oh he was my manager.
Speaker 6: So he ked it up, you know, did he had
Speaker 6: called kind of this? Ain't Diddy hung up? And then
Speaker 6: Donny call me back and said, yes did he? So
Speaker 6: Diddy has been a band of bars of all the
Speaker 6: low cocaine him and Notorious b I G or many
Speaker 6: moves you.
Speaker 1: Know, Uh b I G got this stout from King T.
Speaker 1: So they loved Yeah.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 6: So when I went out there was all cool it
Speaker 6: was laid out, and I was like, oh, that's cool.
Speaker 6: So we went to his little small island and I
Speaker 6: ain't seen nothing next.
Speaker 3: To That's what I was glassy man. It wasn't it wasn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't. No pink cavey there. Evans was there.
Speaker 6: She was married to somebody from comfort at that time.
Speaker 3: Hold on faith had made it somebody from comfort.
Speaker 6: So he was out there right and it was cool.
Speaker 6: So he said, we going to the studio later that night.
Speaker 6: So we get to the studio. He's jamming, playing all
Speaker 6: the new stuff, you know, doing this little dancing and ship.
Speaker 3: So so you really be dancing the anime he was being.
Speaker 5: He was being gone bust. Some moved, nigga, you walked
Speaker 5: to right down.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 5: It never doned shade his shoulder.
Speaker 1: It never John dummy. You know.
Speaker 6: He was being cool, like you cool, like you cool.
Speaker 6: Everybody they're cool. So I do my work and he's
Speaker 6: like impressed this ship. You know I did sometimes lonely.
Speaker 6: He said, we're going to this popping club tonight. I said, okay,
Speaker 6: so hop in the whip with in nice little car.
Speaker 6: The dude pull out a tray full of ecstasy. It's
Speaker 6: no bullshit, and you know everybody knows, so it's a story.
Speaker 1: So I'm just telling the story. I said, nah, I
Speaker 1: want nothing.
Speaker 6: So we go to the club and on the first floor,
Speaker 6: you know, it's cold, everybody chilling.
Speaker 1: Second second floor is cold.
Speaker 3: Everybody's chilling.
Speaker 1: When we get up to the third floor, it's kind
Speaker 1: of different. It hit different. This do it over there
Speaker 1: doing something, little dude. Just do it over there doing something,
Speaker 1: that dude. And we are in a round circle with
Speaker 1: bottles and ship. I didn't get nothing to drink either.
Speaker 1: I looked at this niggas so cold, like this, hey,
Speaker 1: look at it. He like that shit.
Speaker 6: I was like, motherfucker, if you don't get me, I
Speaker 6: had that look like Nickel, he's seen I wasn't with
Speaker 6: the program. So he dropped me off immediately and I
Speaker 6: ain't seen no more. Next day, I was on the airplane,
Speaker 6: got my chilopas and that was that. And I always
Speaker 6: kept that story to myself. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: I just start sharing it because you know, anybody do
Speaker 6: trafficking or whatever they ask you green purple blow, you know,
Speaker 6: because everybody everybody say, especially us as people, they said,
Speaker 6: we always want to tell the black man down, the
Speaker 6: black man dawn. No, what he did. It ain't cool,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. But that's his business between
Speaker 6: him and guy. But that was my experience, you know
Speaker 6: with mister Diddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what. I feel kind of vindicated because
Speaker 3: I was telling them about that. You know, they said
Speaker 3: he was getting something like pink cocaine, pink coco, pink
Speaker 3: Cabby from the girl Young Miami or whatever it was. Right,
Speaker 3: if I told you about the Hollywood party I went
Speaker 3: to when they came out there with the tray and
Speaker 3: they had some pink some pink poies, and I was like, man,
Speaker 3: but on on, not with them. I was at some
Speaker 3: weird ship though, and they had some pink powder on
Speaker 3: the trade and I was like, damn, what the hell
Speaker 3: is that? But I got the hell on?
Speaker 5: So what do you think is it?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 5: The money to just make a motherfucker get weird?
Speaker 3: Is it? What is it?
Speaker 5: What is it?
Speaker 3: I believe, man, y'all can elaborate if y'all want to.
Speaker 3: I believe that's already in them. But they don't have
Speaker 3: the opportunity to flex like that. Because when you're a
Speaker 3: regular dude, you can't do all that. You just can't
Speaker 3: order stuff. You just can't. Oh, I'm gonna go buy this.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna do this, do that. But when
Speaker 3: you get that paper, it allows you to start experiencing
Speaker 3: stuff a little different.
Speaker 5: To take a trip to the island, the little island,
Speaker 5: to go do a.
Speaker 3: Beat man, you know what? Probably so. But I wouldn't
Speaker 3: have been one of none of the other stuff.
Speaker 5: But the pop word of exstasy. Had Nigga hopped the
Speaker 5: route like by digging from colors years, No, I.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't have been with that.
Speaker 1: Look. Look it was cold until you know that situation.
Speaker 1: But I didn't judge you.
Speaker 6: I got my motherfucking bread.
Speaker 3: So to elaborate, he took you to the final level.
Speaker 3: He took you to the final level of that.
Speaker 1: Upper room. He took you to the upper echelone, elne What.
Speaker 3: Was he doing? Was he in that dancing?
Speaker 1: Was he like?
Speaker 6: I just want to know, Like we were sitting at
Speaker 6: the table, it was bottles, and I just felt uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: I would have felt uncomfortable, you.
Speaker 6: Know, you know, no disrespect against any communities. But I'm
Speaker 6: gonna pull ahead of sexual bro and I don't get
Speaker 6: down like that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I've seen that and it made me uncomfortable. And I
Speaker 6: wasn't out there for that weirdow ship. I was out
Speaker 6: there to get my bread and handle my business. And
Speaker 6: I handled my business and be Yeah, years later we
Speaker 6: all seeing this shit happened, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: And you know it's unfortunately sad, but a lot.
Speaker 1: Of that shit. He's just one out of mini that's
Speaker 1: about to be exposed.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, gonna be surprised this year. Who's going You're
Speaker 6: gonna be surprised this year? Who's going to get exposed?
Speaker 6: Because you know, there's such thing as a guy, and
Speaker 6: there's such thing as paying the piper from Satan said,
Speaker 6: when Satan get done with you, asked gonna say come here.
Speaker 3: He ain't the he ain't the only one. But I
Speaker 3: did hear from one of the homemianes. And I ain't
Speaker 3: gonna put his name out there, but he used to
Speaker 3: work for Sugar. He told me a long time ago.
Speaker 3: He said, man puff ten times worse than Shulgar. Ever
Speaker 3: it was, he said, so, y'all, he said, you ain't
Speaker 3: seen nothing though. He said, no, that dude ain't innocent
Speaker 3: like you're thinking of. He said he ain't going through
Speaker 3: no details with me, but he told me that. You know, Tony,
Speaker 3: it's a lot of stuff going on right now. I mean,
Speaker 3: you was having a conversation the other day. You know,
Speaker 3: they said they accused him Puffy of some freaky stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, being a freak pretty much. You know what
Speaker 3: I mean. But it's stuff that goes way deeper. You
Speaker 3: feel what I'm saying. It ain't cool. It's satanic, Yeah,
Speaker 3: satan the mind. Yeah, there's all kinds of shit going
Speaker 3: out to cut you off. We ain't gonna sit there
Speaker 3: at the table neck like we don't know what's going on. Oh,
Speaker 3: it's a lot going on. The biggest thing I was
Speaker 3: talking with the homie about the other day was the
Speaker 3: trend because one of the things Cassie accused Buffer was
Speaker 3: getting getting other men to have you know, six you know,
Speaker 3: relationship with her while he watched That's where those shit.
Speaker 3: And it's like, that's a big trend right now. Me
Speaker 3: and you were me and you was talking about that.
Speaker 3: It's a real tree in now to where dudes is
Speaker 3: going out and getting cats to go mess with their
Speaker 3: wives while they sit there and look, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like that's that's weird.
Speaker 3: But but look it's not references has.
Speaker 5: Been going back for a while. When you see these weird,
Speaker 5: rich old motherfuckers who couldn't get it up no more
Speaker 5: and they sitting the head and room while their wife
Speaker 5: you know, fucking nigga and then they be sitting in
Speaker 5: their head and run, you know, watching and shit or filming.
Speaker 3: It's been going on for many moms, going on.
Speaker 1: For a while.
Speaker 5: So you know, like I said, I don't know what
Speaker 5: what a category or what criteria people be. You know,
Speaker 5: when like you say, a motherfucker just say enough ain't
Speaker 5: enough and they got taken ship to two different levels
Speaker 5: of whatever.
Speaker 1: Take that, Take that, Take that again again.
Speaker 5: That goes to my saying, uh, we got people in
Speaker 5: this world who just don't know how to be normal.
Speaker 1: You get me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's crazy.
Speaker 5: Like you said, I don't know if like motherfucker was
Speaker 5: a heading nigga did some freaky ship when he was
Speaker 5: in school as a kid. Knows what the motherfucker used
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 6: But the color stinger around it Mom's clothes, she was gone,
Speaker 6: who knows?
Speaker 5: You get me, motherfucker. And and that's why I say
Speaker 5: it is that the money that makes them feel comfortable
Speaker 5: to where you know, I can do all this motherfucking
Speaker 5: secret eyes wide shut, got my whole community with their
Speaker 5: masquerade mask on and men all in the corner freaking
Speaker 5: on each other because I feel like I'm met the
Speaker 5: status to where I rubbed shoulders with certain people.
Speaker 3: Yea upper excellent.
Speaker 5: I'm untouchable.
Speaker 1: And they've been that.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you that wasn't I believe anyone that's
Speaker 3: living the hedonistic lifestyle. Bro, it's always been on their mind,
Speaker 3: but they didn't have the chips to execute the game.
Speaker 3: Planing out the chips. It's anything, it's anything happening, right,
Speaker 3: you know, Me and you was having the conversation other day. Right,
Speaker 3: we ain't gonna put no you know, because you ain't
Speaker 3: even tell me no names. I ask no names. But
Speaker 3: you've had people proposition you. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And also I've had dudes tell me stories. For an example,
Speaker 4: see that guy over there, Yeah, that guy paid me
Speaker 4: the fuck his wife.
Speaker 3: Like reals, Yeah, and you did it? Yeah? What did
Speaker 3: he do?
Speaker 4: He just sat there and watched. And it's been a
Speaker 4: trend for a while. Dudes, you know, have pretty much
Speaker 4: told me stories. Oh yeah, I was with this, why
Speaker 4: I was with this white and then after a while
Speaker 4: it almost seemed like a like a common thing, you know.
Speaker 4: And the reason why that thing really tripped me out
Speaker 4: is because I, like, I want to say this, I
Speaker 4: got out of the music industry in two thousand and
Speaker 4: two and I didn't come back till twenty seventeen, so
Speaker 4: I really missed like fifteen years of music. So when
Speaker 4: I came back and I started this podcast to promote
Speaker 4: my documentary, everything just started hitting me. Like people started
Speaker 4: telling me story, where you been, man? This has been
Speaker 4: going on, Man, this has been going on this And
Speaker 4: then when I started hearing stories, I'm like, this motherfucking
Speaker 4: world got weirder. I mean, I was working at Rawse
Speaker 4: Local five seventy and two. I was a teamster for Kroger,
Speaker 4: who owns Rouse and the city of Compton right there
Speaker 4: with Womanton in the ninety one and I was there
Speaker 4: for fifteen years, man, and I didn't listen to really
Speaker 4: listen to no music. I didn't want it to do
Speaker 4: with the music industry because the music industry got weird,
Speaker 4: and uh, the business oute of it just turned me off.
Speaker 4: So when I came back, it was like new to
Speaker 4: me all over again. You know, I thought for me
Speaker 4: to promote my documentary, I had to buy an ad
Speaker 4: in the newspaper by adding a magazine, or buy a
Speaker 4: bus stop or something. They said, no saw social media.
Speaker 4: So when I got on there, to my surprise, okay,
Speaker 4: certain females started hitting me up. So I knew certain
Speaker 4: females from a long time, and I was like, hey,
Speaker 4: who is that person they keep, you know, sending me messages?
Speaker 4: Don't message him back, and I go him, Yeah, that's rappers.
Speaker 4: So and so he's pretending to be a girl to
Speaker 4: get nude pics from a dude. And I didn't know
Speaker 4: that that existed.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, so all that shit catfishing, Yeah it's a dude. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was like, motherfucker, gonna pretend to be a bitch, yeah,
Speaker 5: and get the flirting with you and won't be wom
Speaker 5: Nigga'm gonna give you some pussy, nigga, nigga, send me
Speaker 5: some of them picks. And then you send the motherfucker
Speaker 5: some picks. And then they turned around the nigga, you
Speaker 5: may slide me some bread before I let everybody see.
Speaker 3: I never understood that cat sending them picks out anyway.
Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying, like, like, what is that? Well,
Speaker 3: let me say this, NNA catch you ask? Oh no
Speaker 3: you ain't no picks me out there nowhere.
Speaker 4: So what happened was I found out later later on
Speaker 4: that those guys that were acting like females were really
Speaker 4: into that. They were really into dudes, but they didn't
Speaker 4: want to come out and say, you know, I'm a
Speaker 4: dude and can I see you naked? So let me
Speaker 4: pretend I'm a girl so I can get off and
Speaker 4: you sending me picks.
Speaker 3: Normal. I'm glad to be normally the most because I'm
Speaker 3: listening to this stuff because you have to be horrible.
Speaker 3: We have to have I believe in God first and
Speaker 3: foremost man. And when you make a file before a
Speaker 3: God that you're gonna marry this woman, you can't treat
Speaker 3: it like a toss up dog. You can't treat it
Speaker 3: like a toss up. That's the mother of your kids,
Speaker 3: that's your wife, that's your soul mate. That's supposed to
Speaker 3: be any if anything, her messing with another dude's supposed
Speaker 3: to sing you into a fit of rags. You feel
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 1: I think that like everybody said, I think it's been
Speaker 1: around for a minute.
Speaker 6: It's just you know, the Internet exposes and put in
Speaker 6: on steroids, and.
Speaker 3: I don't knock nobody, you know, I got to book
Speaker 3: my disclaimer out there, you know, I got I don't
Speaker 3: care what nobody do in the privacy of their bedroom.
Speaker 3: Whatever floats your boat, and if you and your husband
Speaker 3: cool with it, it ain't none of my business. But
Speaker 3: I just think it's a lot of weird stuff going
Speaker 3: on in me and glasses always getting the arguments because
Speaker 3: I tell them about certain people in the industry that
Speaker 3: you might look up to, and I say, broh, no, no,
Speaker 3: you know this, dude, man, No, still you lying? You lying?
Speaker 3: How you know? Man? I'm telling you, I just know
Speaker 3: some stuff. You just know you feel what I'm saying. Well,
Speaker 3: let me drop this one on you.
Speaker 4: I know a lowrider car show model from years ago,
Speaker 4: and I think I won't say her name, but I
Speaker 4: believe you know who she is.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you guys after, you know, because he started
Speaker 3: laughing as soon as you said.
Speaker 4: Well, she's been my friend for a long time. She
Speaker 4: was on I'm Not your puppet video, Okay, So I'll
Speaker 4: leave that clue she was dating this one boxer, a
Speaker 4: real wealthy boxer. I'll name him after as well. And
Speaker 4: she told me, she goes, she would always talk to me.
Speaker 4: She goes, oh, I went to this club with him,
Speaker 4: and I said, really, She goes said. We were sitting
Speaker 4: down at the booths. It was him and then another guy,
Speaker 4: and I dropped my purse. So when I've been down
Speaker 4: to my purse, I looked and he was holding hands
Speaker 4: like this with that dude, he goes. So I said,
Speaker 4: you know what, I'll be back. I'm gonna go take
Speaker 4: a walk around. And then she started naming everybody that
Speaker 4: she saw there, and I said, what kind of club
Speaker 4: was this? She goes, it was a gay club. She
Speaker 4: named rappers that I looked up to that were there.
Speaker 4: So when she went up to him because she knew
Speaker 4: them because of me, what are you doing here? Oh,
Speaker 4: we just come here to network.
Speaker 3: Network for sure. They're trying to network network there, Yeah, freak.
Speaker 4: I met some record executives that wanted to sign some
Speaker 4: of the groups that I was working with.
Speaker 3: You steal that.
Speaker 4: Would tell me, oh, yeah, that rapper and that rapper
Speaker 4: they come over to sleep over all time.
Speaker 3: I cooking breakfast That's what I'm saying. What's this thing
Speaker 3: about ron men spend the night on each other's house
Speaker 3: like their little kids. There's a lot of freaky shit
Speaker 3: going on in this motherfucking you.
Speaker 5: Just silenced me in this episode. Man, you got me. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm just quiet as the church mouth with you.
Speaker 3: Man. Were gonna be off of this, We're gonna be off. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: what because you know Brian, he loved doing it. So
Speaker 3: I'm gonna repeat that for those who might never heard it.
Speaker 3: Do you think that they were overboard with the way
Speaker 3: they came at didn' nah.
Speaker 1: It's deep than that.
Speaker 3: It's that I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: What's that doing?
Speaker 3: Epstein? Jeffrey Epstein? Ye, awesome like that? Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: I heard he was the herd. Puffy is the plug
Speaker 3: man he.
Speaker 5: Get when you get accusations, you know, because motherfuckers, you know,
Speaker 5: they don't want to go to the regular court route
Speaker 5: because you know they won't go to civil route. You're
Speaker 5: gonna be able to give me some bread. But motherfuckers
Speaker 5: is kicking. They peeping everything that's going on in the
Speaker 5: civil case. And now they reading ship like what this
Speaker 5: nigga said, this happened and what this and that whatever.
Speaker 5: So now they like, nigga, we need to jump in
Speaker 5: here and see.
Speaker 1: What tell you the truth?
Speaker 6: Being my boy Pat is talking, I think R Kelly
Speaker 6: is spilling the beans on everybody.
Speaker 3: You know, he might be. He might be like, y'o
Speaker 3: wasn't there for me?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like I said, it was trying.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 5: It was a money It was a money play. You
Speaker 5: get me, mother, because motherfuckers who felt like if he
Speaker 5: paid her off, I don't seen a few things, so
Speaker 5: let me go. But see by the end, once he
Speaker 5: then gave out the first check, now he's feeling like,
Speaker 5: you know, all the mother niggas are small potatoes I
Speaker 5: got rid of, you know, paid off the big fish.
Speaker 5: Anybody else can say some shit. I'm just deny.
Speaker 3: I be not you know what I think happened?
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I think always tell people be careful how you treat
Speaker 3: people on the way up. Because see, it's one thing
Speaker 3: to fall off this table, it's a whole nother thing
Speaker 3: to fall off this roof. So the bigger you are,
Speaker 3: the harder your father is gonna be right. And I
Speaker 3: think he pissed somebody off, doog, he.
Speaker 5: Put his tomgirl off, got her doing all that freaky
Speaker 5: deaky shit. You said, I don't get my bread falling.
Speaker 3: That just hurt, you know, Luke said, I was hearing
Speaker 3: a homie Luke shut out to the own boy, Luther Campbell.
Speaker 3: He was talking about, you know, what was the brand
Speaker 3: he had? What was the the Saraq the people from
Speaker 3: sarak the company. You know, he was involved in a
Speaker 3: lawsuit with them or whatever, and he accused them of
Speaker 3: being racist. And some people ain't. You know, when you
Speaker 3: get to just dragons trying to drag certain people that
Speaker 3: got money, dog, they'll put you in your place real quick. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, he become a liability bro. And then you figure,
Speaker 3: like you said, he might have been involved with that
Speaker 3: Epstein dude, because you know, when they put out that
Speaker 3: list of those people that were going to that island,
Speaker 3: they had a lot of people's names on that list.
Speaker 3: And then I don't know what they're doing. I don't
Speaker 3: like talking about Jay and Beyonce because I don't know
Speaker 3: their business. I don't know their household. You feel what
Speaker 3: I mean, They seem like normal people, but their names
Speaker 3: was on that list. Bro, if a Doe's then my
Speaker 3: thing is this dogs hang with dogs. You don't never
Speaker 3: see a pack of cats and dogs running the street together.
Speaker 3: You see dogs running together, you see straight cats running together.
Speaker 3: You feel what I mean. If you got a motherfucker
Speaker 3: that's doing real hedonistic shitting, just on some next level
Speaker 3: perversion shit, and you hanging out with him and you
Speaker 3: see people with him, more than likely they ended the
Speaker 3: same shit, right, That's all I'm gonna say. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not here, you know, I'm not trying to get
Speaker 3: no clicks, but knowing Jay's name out there, but it
Speaker 3: was a lot of people on that list, man, And
Speaker 3: I think that people really, I think people will really
Speaker 3: be selling their souls. Man. Oh yeah, people be really
Speaker 3: selling their souls. You know, I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 5: That's that heading curtain. Class. You know, you go somewhere,
Speaker 5: it's the head and curtain, and you can't go back
Speaker 5: there because you on You ain't on the list, you
Speaker 5: ain't a member. That's that that's that class man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's special club.
Speaker 5: Across that rope man, behind that rope in that curtin
Speaker 5: Nigga's some wild shit going on.
Speaker 3: You don't want to go behind the green door. I
Speaker 3: do want to go behind there. Still no, not at all. Man,
Speaker 3: I don't even want to people. I don't even want
Speaker 3: the people my head in for a minute, not for
Speaker 3: no amount of money, not for no type of fame
Speaker 3: or popularity.
Speaker 5: And you had like two hundred you had like two
Speaker 5: three hundred million, you wouldn't be you wouldn't Now you're
Speaker 5: a small island. Oh No, running around with weird shit on,
Speaker 5: playing like you back in Africa just was just no.
Speaker 3: I'm cool. I'm gonna tell you what's the dude's name?
Speaker 3: Because you had got into producer films and stuff, right,
Speaker 3: you got a producer because you produced the Royal documentary
Speaker 3: what's the Guy's Name? That produced the Will Smith, the
Speaker 3: Fresh Pencil Bellary, and a lot of these TV shows
Speaker 3: Benny Benny Medina. Now you always had to follow the
Speaker 3: certain trailer stuff. Every rapper that got cracking in the
Speaker 3: eighties that went broke and got a TV show, You
Speaker 3: ever noticed they went big? Anybody just missed with Bennie
Speaker 3: Medina went big. It's the such thing as selling your
Speaker 3: soul for fame door popularity, because I'm not gonna put
Speaker 3: names and people go do their own research for what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. But you had big rappers going broke in
Speaker 3: the early days of hip hop. You know, they were
Speaker 3: making it, making million dollars they kids doing then they broke, right,
Speaker 3: So you get this dude to offer them an opportunity.
Speaker 3: Hey man, I'm gonna put you on TV. I'mnna give
Speaker 3: you a couple of million dollars, puts you back up,
Speaker 3: But you gotta do this, this and that. These people
Speaker 3: do this, this and that because it's already in them
Speaker 3: and they may have been doing it before, you feel
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, or may not have had the thing,
Speaker 3: or maybe have been in denial about who they were.
Speaker 3: You feel what I mean, or they may not be
Speaker 3: that way, but they just did for the pay. You
Speaker 3: feel what I'm saying. It's a lot of wicked stuff
Speaker 3: that goes on, man. And I ain't just gonna say Hollywood,
Speaker 3: but just in just in that world, dog, whereas millions
Speaker 3: of dollars and being you know, spent around, they can
Speaker 3: just press buttons and make stuff happen.
Speaker 5: Like I say, it's like a motherfucker who start off
Speaker 5: smoking some stress weed and he keep excelling because it
Speaker 5: ain't never enough. And now you know, nigga shooting needles
Speaker 5: up and doing all kinds of weirdshit because the high
Speaker 5: just ain't a knock. You mean, I gotta get higher.
Speaker 5: That's them motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: That's them, bro.
Speaker 5: They get that some normal pussy or some normal.
Speaker 1: Dick or whatever.
Speaker 5: That ain't not I need a motherfucker running around here
Speaker 5: and a rabbit shoot nigga with his asshole out, and
Speaker 5: Nigga sniffing cocaine off his balls or some weird shit.
Speaker 3: Oh, man, I'm gonna tell you one of the homies. Man,
Speaker 3: that's a bodyguard, right. I've been trying to get him
Speaker 3: to come on the show. Dog. He won't do it. Dog,
Speaker 3: I ain't even gonna say his name. Put him out there.
Speaker 3: He told me, Man, he was working and I can't
Speaker 3: say the names of the people because he gonna get
Speaker 3: the trip. Mike, Still, you talking too much. But he
Speaker 3: still he was working for this one individual that's a
Speaker 3: sports icon hell own NFL team. He said that he
Speaker 3: was doing some work for him, and he said, you know,
Speaker 3: he got in. He was like one of the top
Speaker 3: you know guards. So he's in the house and there
Speaker 3: at the night. He said, Man, every Friday night, Man,
Speaker 3: it would be a motherfucker come in there in the costume, like,
Speaker 3: you know, get dressed up like Fred Flintstone and knock
Speaker 3: this dude's wife down like put on the old Fred
Speaker 3: Flinstone Cartoony Fred. It's just a lot of weird stuff.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of weird, crazy stuff.
Speaker 5: Man, that's Joe, That's that. That that that that broke
Speaker 5: that Kurt. You want to go behind there? Man, stay
Speaker 5: on this side. Man, be no, It's okay to be normal.
Speaker 3: It's okay. And I'm cool being an average vanilla motherfucker.
Speaker 3: I'm cool. I'm cool with being average. So Tony, you
Speaker 3: and Crawt is doing your thing. You produced that old album,
Speaker 3: you and.
Speaker 4: Him boss, except two songs quick that the other two. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but that's how it started. Now keep in mind, and
Speaker 4: I do want to say this because I was just
Speaker 4: a mixtape guy. I didn't know anything about production, absolutely nothing.
Speaker 4: So when we did I'm Not your Puppet. That was
Speaker 4: Steve's idea, he said, told lit's do an original song
Speaker 4: to put on a mixtape for a high sea. I
Speaker 4: didn't know anything about production. I had a Newmark mixture
Speaker 4: that had a sampler, so I just sampled the bar.
Speaker 4: I remember, I sampled like and peached to presidents and
Speaker 4: then I threw it on my four track, pulled a
Speaker 4: one task can. Then I got the record or a
Speaker 4: nunch of puppet. It's the four bar loop, so the
Speaker 4: SP twelve is not gonna sample that. So I had
Speaker 4: to ride that motherfucker on time, stop, go back, go
Speaker 4: to another tracks, you know, on time for about four minutes.
Speaker 4: I see comes over and he's just were styling some boots,
Speaker 4: some funny shit, and Steve said, that's dope. List's go
Speaker 4: with that. And I was like, we're just fucking around, No,
Speaker 4: let's go with that, all right, cool whatever. So we
Speaker 4: put it on a mixtape, and I remember that mixtape
Speaker 4: so like fucking hotcakes at the Rodeium. He would pay
Speaker 4: me like two hundred bucks per mixtape, so we would
Speaker 4: do one one every month because we had allowed new
Speaker 4: music to come out. So so he said that one's
Speaker 4: so really good, is to do another one. So I just
Speaker 4: flipped the records over and sitting in the parkment, Billy
Speaker 4: Stewart was on there. I just simple substitution. My Newmark
Speaker 4: mixer dropped it again. He did the fucking lyrics, so
Speaker 4: and then I still remember the guy's names Stuart Cohen.
Speaker 4: He worked for Disney. They had just opened up a
Speaker 4: record label called Hollywood the Records.
Speaker 5: The remember Stewart.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So so they come to the Rodium and they pretty much.
Speaker 4: They show Steve the tape and he goes, I believe
Speaker 4: so yeah. So he says, who did this tape? And
Speaker 4: Steve said he did any pointed at me and we
Speaker 4: always thought it was people gonna bust us for selling
Speaker 4: boot legs.
Speaker 3: So he didn't want to do it.
Speaker 4: This ship yes, And then I said, yeah, but he
Speaker 4: sells them, you know. So he said no, No, I'm
Speaker 4: looking for that guy right here. He says, Hi, see
Speaker 4: because I named the tape after him, and he goes,
Speaker 4: I'm looking for him. We just opened up a new
Speaker 4: record label and we're looking to sign him.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: This got dropped into my lap at the office. So
Speaker 4: I said, well I could take you to So we went,
Speaker 4: and the weirdest part, Bro, we didn't hear from that
Speaker 4: dude's ass from his ask for like six months.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: By that time, my mom had kicked me out. I
Speaker 4: was like curb serving. I was just a nickel and
Speaker 4: diamond bro. So she found a little dope I had
Speaker 4: with little money out and she kicked me out. I
Speaker 4: had a tank top, I had a broken wrist, some
Speaker 4: green Ben Davis is, some Nike Cortes, and I was
Speaker 4: just staying from house to house. Then one of my
Speaker 4: homeboys hits me up and he goes say, hey, Steve,
Speaker 4: call me. He's in Florida and he wants to talk
Speaker 4: to you tonight. He's in a call me about an hour.
Speaker 4: He wanted me to find you and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: for what and he says, I don't know, he wants
Speaker 4: to talk to you. So this was on a Friday,
Speaker 4: I believe. So we go to his house. Steve called
Speaker 4: me with Florida. I'm flying in over the weekend.
Speaker 3: Hollywood.
Speaker 4: The Records wants to meet us on Monday, and I
Speaker 4: was like for what. It wanted to give us a
Speaker 4: record deal. A record deal. He was member that guy
Speaker 4: that came to the Swami and I go, yeah, that
Speaker 4: guy wants to give us a record deal. And I
Speaker 4: was like okay, what, like does that involve money? And
Speaker 4: he was like yeah, they want to give us forty
Speaker 4: thousand for a single and then a hundred thousand for
Speaker 4: the album. Mister single sells good. So I was like,
Speaker 4: all right then, but I don't have a ride over it.
Speaker 4: Don't worry, I'll pick your So you came all the
Speaker 4: way from Whittier to Womington to Burbank and then that's
Speaker 4: when we met. And that's the first day I actually
Speaker 4: even met Funking Client. You gouts memory of Funking Client,
Speaker 4: Rest in peace. Funk and Clin He opened up Hollywood
Speaker 4: Basic at Disney, so they signed us, and then that's
Speaker 4: how I started. That's how I was forced to become
Speaker 4: a producer, and I knew nothing about producing, so I
Speaker 4: just started learning how to sample. And the crazy part
Speaker 4: about that record was this that it was my first
Speaker 4: time out. I thought I was experimenting. I gave him
Speaker 4: my best and we ended up getting a gold record.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's how I usually happening. You know, I wanted
Speaker 3: to ask you, did y'all ever go back and do
Speaker 3: that puppet y'all obviously did the I'm your Puppet record
Speaker 3: over again? Yes? Because you got different skills now at
Speaker 3: this point, so I'm pretty sure you want to go
Speaker 3: clean that motherfuck up.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: You know what The reason why we never did because
Speaker 4: it was clean in the very beginning.
Speaker 3: Limit to your why so that's it. Not to get
Speaker 3: cut you off. But that's the same record. That's the
Speaker 3: same record. That's crazy, man.
Speaker 4: The reason why because we took it and I told Donovan, Uh,
Speaker 4: I go, Bro, I don't know how to sample this.
Speaker 3: This a four bar loop. I'm your puppet.
Speaker 4: So if you remember he had the sp told keyboard,
Speaker 4: remember that was on the couch, and he goes, I'll
Speaker 4: just sample it on here. So he sampled a full
Speaker 4: four bar and he just threw it on the two
Speaker 4: inch and he just kept repeating it. He was already
Speaker 4: working on comput he had a computer back then in
Speaker 4: the eighties, and he sampled it and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean that's how that happened. And then we did
Speaker 4: Sitting in the Park there we did a song called
Speaker 4: Jack Move, and then they released a single and but
Speaker 4: Hollywood Records really experimented with our record because they had
Speaker 4: a bunch of college kids working at that label.
Speaker 3: First they released a.
Speaker 4: Single of a puppet, and then he took it off,
Speaker 4: and then they released a MAXI single. Then he took
Speaker 4: it off, and we were traveling, Bro, traveling on a
Speaker 4: promotional tour, you know, uh, performing our songs, and none
Speaker 4: of our the record stores had our music.
Speaker 3: Bro, that's crazy us think when that's happened.
Speaker 5: That happened, That happened a few times. Yeah, you go
Speaker 5: to record stores and they wouldn't have your product or whatever.
Speaker 5: Just bad marketing promotions.
Speaker 3: Man, piss some motherfucker off. So obviously y'all doing your job, though.
Speaker 4: Yes, the good thing is that we took a camcorder
Speaker 4: and we would walk in that store and say, do
Speaker 4: you have the High Seat three Tree tony eight album?
Speaker 4: Who's that?
Speaker 3: Everywhere?
Speaker 4: A land up, Philadelphia, Detroit, everywhere. So we would come
Speaker 4: back giving the videotapes and then it would tell us
Speaker 4: what was the name of those stores so we can
Speaker 4: make sure they get them. I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker 4: We had a weel distribution and those record stores didn't
Speaker 4: even have it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're not putting them records out there. Yeah, just
Speaker 5: just the moms and pops is not order of them
Speaker 5: because they don't know shit about them. And then the
Speaker 5: motherfucking consumers, we don't know nothing about no local rouge
Speaker 5: from you know, you went through the eight sometimes, even
Speaker 5: as big as your records was, sometimes I would go
Speaker 5: to you know, maybe later on in my career, I
Speaker 5: would go to record stores and they wouldn't have product.
Speaker 4: You know, I will say this, I never met eight
Speaker 4: back then, but I was always a big fan because
Speaker 4: my favorite.
Speaker 3: Song today is still this is Compton.
Speaker 4: When when that be kicked into.
Speaker 3: That ship, that'd be kicked in.
Speaker 1: Fuck.
Speaker 4: I used to always cut that, cut it up. But
Speaker 4: when me and Crawford started traveling everywhere, we used to go, Oh,
Speaker 4: it was here last week. Damn I missed him. It
Speaker 4: was here last week. Oh, as a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: you were. We were there the week after. It was
Speaker 4: in Houston, Texas at a place called the Palladium. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I still have our fly. I keep everything wrong
Speaker 4: and everywhere.
Speaker 5: We went massive promo tours. Man Epic used to send
Speaker 5: me all over the country on a promo tour. I
Speaker 5: hated that ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I used to ask a slip about.
Speaker 5: You to promote the record, but we didn't benefit from
Speaker 5: the ship. That's from Red was concerned shitiggas all over
Speaker 5: the country promote it's selling records. That motherfucker's lied up
Speaker 5: outside to get all the grass. Nigga, you get home, nigga,
Speaker 5: you broke as a motherfucking life. Damn nigga record selling
Speaker 5: where's the bread? This is that publisher? Shit, wasn't Joe
Speaker 5: good man?
Speaker 6: I mean, bitch you dollars hundred dollars per diam.
Speaker 3: Did you go through the same shit, gogo?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm pretty sure we'll make record out back
Speaker 5: then belonging to a Sony or whatever.
Speaker 3: Nigga.
Speaker 5: You go on the road, you being just moving around, Nigga,
Speaker 5: you get home, record all over the place, videos out
Speaker 5: and nigga royalty check what it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't no what because the costs ate up all that. Man.
Speaker 6: They started spitting out the expended just where you owe
Speaker 6: this or this? And then the check looked like nigga
Speaker 6: five dollars.
Speaker 5: We had a conversation about you last week was two hours, nigga.
Speaker 5: That cost Yeah, that costs money.
Speaker 3: Everybody else gets paid because you gotta remember they charged
Speaker 3: and y'all back out, y'all little percentage that shall it
Speaker 3: might be making six seven dollars over here, but no,
Speaker 3: that's that's ours right here.
Speaker 1: You ain't recruiting.
Speaker 5: We had to mail that contract over to your lawyer's office. Yeah, man,
Speaker 5: that cost you for the stamps. This shit all right, man.
Speaker 5: Every time we had a courier when we was negotiating
Speaker 5: the deal and the courier was taking the contract back
Speaker 5: and forth.
Speaker 1: We charged for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy as a motherfucker.
Speaker 5: Oh, you came up here and had a meeting and
Speaker 5: had a meal and some lunch and all that shit.
Speaker 3: Ten thousand dollars we charged you for that shit? Ten thousand?
Speaker 3: Do they eating good off of y'all? So y'all do
Speaker 3: this one album? Man? It's going good? Yeah? Why didn't
Speaker 3: you and Crawford? I always wanted to ask you this?
Speaker 3: And I never asked because you know, I see is
Speaker 3: a good friend of mine. I'm pretty sure you know that. Yes,
Speaker 3: why didn't y'all keep shit going? Man?
Speaker 4: Okay, you wanted the truth? You women to lie to you.
Speaker 5: I want the truth, man, This is the truth. We
Speaker 5: deal in the truth.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: I only share this one other time. I did two
Speaker 4: interviews with Sore and Baker, and on the second one
Speaker 4: I expressed this. Now it's all love with me and
Speaker 4: Crawford today, okay, But back then, I kind of want
Speaker 4: to blame it on that. Maybe he was young, you know,
Speaker 4: because he was young when he wrote a lot of
Speaker 4: those songs.
Speaker 3: He was sixteen years old.
Speaker 4: And so I was notified by A and R, by
Speaker 4: a lady named Rachel Matthews, and she hit me up
Speaker 4: and told me, hey, for this second album, we're gonna
Speaker 4: need you to step to the side. And I said,
Speaker 4: why what happened? And he goes, well, and she now
Speaker 4: Crawford denied it. Okay, but she goes, well, he doesn't
Speaker 4: want you to be a part of this record anymore.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Now we were signed as artists, we weren't signed as
Speaker 4: a group. So and I said, okay, so what do
Speaker 4: you want me to do? She goes, I'll give you
Speaker 4: some remixes to make. They had just signed Queen. So
Speaker 4: I was doing remixes, you know, for Queen and other stuff,
Speaker 4: and you know, I felt I felt fucked up. I'll
Speaker 4: be honest you because because when I met him, I
Speaker 4: met him at the Swamp Me.
Speaker 5: So y'all got the deal together. Yes, y'all signed the
Speaker 5: Hollywood record deal together.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
Speaker 4: And what happened was, you know, we met at the
Speaker 4: swan Me. I put him on the mixtapes, you know,
Speaker 4: and that's what got his name out there. We ended
Speaker 4: up getting signed because of that production that I did
Speaker 4: on those mixtapes. And then to be told later on,
Speaker 4: you know, he doesn't want you on this record, you know.
Speaker 4: So I was like, all right, cool then Buck, I
Speaker 4: got us here and now I'm getting the.
Speaker 1: Boot, you know.
Speaker 3: So I was like, all right, cool whatever Crosse said.
Speaker 3: He didn't say that, right, He told me he didn't
Speaker 3: say that. Okay, what me knowing Croft and this ain't
Speaker 3: me the femling you but I think he'd have probably
Speaker 3: told you that hisself. Like Cross ain't a foul dude,
Speaker 3: like right now, I don't think he is. But I
Speaker 3: will say this that during that time, he never even
Speaker 3: talked to me. As a matter of fact, they give him.
Speaker 4: Like a record uh he did half He had like
Speaker 4: maybe like twelve songs, and they give him like a
Speaker 4: two hundred and forty thousand dollars like.
Speaker 3: Budget.
Speaker 4: So Rachel Matthews calls me and tells me, maybe like
Speaker 4: months later, she said, hey, listen, he's turned into all
Speaker 4: his record and we're just not feeling it. We're actually
Speaker 4: you know, giving him advance on royalties now because he
Speaker 4: wasted all the money. So we want you to come
Speaker 4: back in and produce, you know.
Speaker 3: Some songs.
Speaker 4: So I said, you're gonna have to talk to my
Speaker 4: manager Whichell Steve at the time, because I didn't want
Speaker 4: to deal with her and because she's the one that
Speaker 4: told me the so called bad news, you know. So
Speaker 4: Steve goes, what do you want? And I said, I
Speaker 4: want for six songs. I want sixty thousand dollars and
Speaker 4: I want to sell all my publishing and I want
Speaker 4: another sixty thousand. And he said, okay, well they didn't
Speaker 4: give me sixty for publishing. They just give me thirty.
Speaker 4: So I made a good chunk of chains. I produced
Speaker 4: the songs. He okayed them. I told Steve I don't
Speaker 4: want him in there when I'm tracking them. I'll just
Speaker 4: produce them. I'll leave and I did it. That's how
Speaker 4: it happened. And then I get a call the night
Speaker 4: before the video shoot for a song called got It
Speaker 4: Like That that I produced and my song was going
Speaker 4: to be the first single. Well it was the first single.
Speaker 4: He said, I just wanted to let you know, bro
Speaker 4: the high Steed ever call you and I go no.
Speaker 4: He goes, well, we shouldn't do a video tomorrow, and
Speaker 4: you see no, And I said, oh okay, I said
Speaker 4: I'm going to show up. And I just showed up so,
Speaker 4: but we didn't talk for a long time, bro, like
Speaker 4: for a long time. But now it's all love. We
Speaker 4: put all that shit behind us, you know, we talked.
Speaker 4: Of course, he told me that he never said that,
Speaker 4: but I just told him, bro, it doesn't make you
Speaker 4: look good when you don't talk to me for years,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: And that's gonna tell you what It was me being
Speaker 3: in the business and I would see them people in
Speaker 3: them offices get these bright ideas because see they don't
Speaker 3: know the connection that we have with the people we
Speaker 3: making music with, right, but they can see a vision
Speaker 3: and they think they overthink shit when it comes to marketing, right.
Speaker 3: I guarantee you that the chick that was delivering you
Speaker 3: the messages was the main one telling him that you
Speaker 3: should probably be by yourself, and pretty much told him, hey,
Speaker 3: we want you to do this by yourself. And we
Speaker 3: had lit and him, being as young as he was
Speaker 3: at the time, probably didn't know how to come and
Speaker 3: tell you.
Speaker 4: No, you know what. And I believe that I don't
Speaker 4: have nothing against Carper today, but that's just what happened then.
Speaker 3: Because I think if y'all, honestly, bro, I think if
Speaker 3: you all because y'all had something because we went out
Speaker 3: to Japan, me and Kraft and when he performed like
Speaker 3: he performed that whole album. Yeah, those people was an
Speaker 3: audience singing this ship like that. They don't speak to
Speaker 3: him this word for word, yeah, word for word, and
Speaker 3: I always want that. I always wondered, like, why didn't
Speaker 3: they keep that going because that was kind of like
Speaker 3: I think y'a would have wound up even just doing
Speaker 3: I think y'all would have sold even more albums the
Speaker 3: second one out.
Speaker 4: I do believe that we had so many things going
Speaker 4: our way, Like, for an example, our first video looked
Speaker 4: like a damn fucking Godzilla movie. We filmed that shit
Speaker 4: at the Rodeo Swami and we had an Australian guy
Speaker 4: named Ian Fletcher come in. He did Quick Born and
Speaker 4: Raising Compton a video, so I think Crawford thought it
Speaker 4: was a good idea, get the same guy. This guy
Speaker 4: didn't know shit. This guy was when Ted ass leather
Speaker 4: pants were no drawls out there at the Rodium and
Speaker 4: it's a knotty degrees out there and he's filming us
Speaker 4: with some bullshit as cameras. We spend like twenty five
Speaker 4: thousand on that video. It was shitty, Okay. So when
Speaker 4: then we made two young cats, I think they're twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one years old. We mete him at Disney. They
Speaker 4: want to produce our next song called Leave My Curls Alone. Okay,
Speaker 4: And you know who they were bro when I became
Speaker 4: good friends with them all throughout the nineties. I haven't
Speaker 4: talked to him in years. The he was brothers oh
Speaker 4: Albert and Allen, and this was the first video that
Speaker 4: they were gonna direct. So we did at the Venice
Speaker 4: Beach and then after that we did Sitting in the Park,
Speaker 4: and then after that they went into second to nine
Speaker 4: Nam J's and then some stuff with you guys. And
Speaker 4: this is one thing that a lot of people didn't know.
Speaker 4: And this is where I fucked up, because I could
Speaker 4: have been a part of a classic movie. They wanted
Speaker 4: me to have a small scene in Minister Society. They
Speaker 4: mailed me the you know, the script and everything, and
Speaker 4: I just didn't show up.
Speaker 3: Why because I was stupid. You was on that shit.
Speaker 3: You was young. I still think about music shit and
Speaker 3: mad at the world, like fuck that I'm.
Speaker 4: Not going well like Steve, he had got me ten
Speaker 4: day tour in Germany, another ten days in Australia, Canada
Speaker 4: and Japan to go DJ by myself, like this was
Speaker 4: separate from high seat. They wanted me to go on
Speaker 4: a DJ tour and I'll be honest you man, I said,
Speaker 4: I'm the next one. How long is the flight? Oh,
Speaker 4: thirteen fourteen hours down? Good next time. And this is
Speaker 4: one thing that I want to share to the younger
Speaker 4: generation is that when those opportunities come, take them, because
Speaker 4: they may never come back again, and they never came
Speaker 4: back again.
Speaker 5: I was the same way. My father was like let's
Speaker 5: go over seas, and I'd be like that shit, I'd
Speaker 5: be dreading it, but then I just pushed myself to
Speaker 5: do it. Fuck it because like you said, you never
Speaker 5: knowing that opportunity gonna come back around again. As much
Speaker 5: as I hate, you know, traveling and doing all that shit,
Speaker 5: fuck it. I just came back from Europe. I was
Speaker 5: over there for two weeks. No man, I started going
Speaker 5: to Europe, and I think, like ninety four, man.
Speaker 3: The reception over there is just so much more grand
Speaker 3: than in hers. Over if you'd have went, dudes, you
Speaker 3: would have been you wouldn't have regretted that you would
Speaker 3: have had the time in your life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I regretted I'm being in that moomy. He called me, goes,
Speaker 4: how come we didn't show up? And I was like, honestly, bo,
Speaker 4: can we just like do it tomorrow? And he was like, no,
Speaker 4: We're not gonna do it tomorrow. You know what's seen
Speaker 4: I was sup supposed to get. It was a small scene.
Speaker 4: You just had a dude here not too long ago.
Speaker 4: The guy that was in the movie. Yes, remember he
Speaker 4: went and took his five pointz to that one guy
Speaker 4: that changed his license plates and the mechanic calls the
Speaker 4: man and he goes, I change it and go shut up.
Speaker 5: That was supposed to be me Mexican and way picked
Speaker 5: the car up.
Speaker 3: Press that part right. That had been for you man.
Speaker 3: That had been a crazy movie man, Yeah, that would
Speaker 3: have been crazy.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you one thing. If they watch d KK,
Speaker 3: I love you guys, quick, I love you guys. Crap,
Speaker 3: I love you guys.
Speaker 4: That were all pissed at Albert and Allen because they
Speaker 4: never got a call for that for a part, but
Speaker 4: they did. Albert Allen did tell them I'm gonna get
Speaker 4: you a part in the movies, and they never got
Speaker 4: their script. So they were man for a long time
Speaker 4: because I got mine.
Speaker 3: And they never got it. No, they never did. You
Speaker 3: never got it. So cool. I want to ask you
Speaker 3: this though, you being independent you know right now, you know,
Speaker 3: running your program the way you do, because the way
Speaker 3: you do your stuff, I actually want to holler at
Speaker 3: you about, you know, trying to kind of get in
Speaker 3: the blueprint of that, because that's where I think everything
Speaker 3: should be getting right right.
Speaker 5: Do you.
Speaker 3: Think the major label is obsolete right now?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? You know this is the reign that they're independent.
Speaker 6: You know, point zeril five versus getting nineteen twenty dollars
Speaker 6: to your own personal website is a big difference.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just my opinion, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: It is because you got people that don't pick your concept.
Speaker 3: You know, I heard Kanye on the giving one of
Speaker 3: his rants. I see my CDs on my website and
Speaker 3: I made two million dollars already, and I was thinking,
Speaker 3: I said, man, that shits like the same shit Coco
Speaker 3: been doing for the past.
Speaker 1: For seventeen years.
Speaker 5: Friends, you know, you got true loyal fans and people
Speaker 5: who really enjoy good music. They'll buy your CD yeah, because.
Speaker 3: You don't sew, you don't saw quite. If you see
Speaker 3: these eight, definitely do the thing. And I think that's
Speaker 3: the way. I think that's the way to go. Now, man,
Speaker 3: Is there any way? Man? And I'm gonna try to
Speaker 3: facilitate this, you know me, I'm the manager. There ain't
Speaker 3: a manager always trying to hook something up, right. I
Speaker 3: think if you and high Sea got together and did
Speaker 3: the album today, I think it would sell. Bro. I
Speaker 3: think I knew it would. Bro.
Speaker 4: I would love to Man and Crawford, if you're listening, Bro,
Speaker 4: I would love to. We had to talk about this
Speaker 4: about three years ago. I had brought it up to
Speaker 4: him and he goes, who's gonna produce it? And I said,
Speaker 4: I will, you know, and he goes, well, I want
Speaker 4: some production too, And I said, okay, but I am
Speaker 4: going to be calling the shots on this record, but
Speaker 4: if we do it, I'm producing it, you know. And
Speaker 4: he was like, okay, well we'll see. We never got
Speaker 4: around to it, and then when it came around to
Speaker 4: discussing business, you know, I just didn't like it. Just recently,
Speaker 4: I called up my good friend Bobby D. Bobby D
Speaker 4: presents the promoter, and I said, I mean, how see
Speaker 4: got back together again? And he said, okay, cool, let
Speaker 4: me know, I'll put your guys on everything. So we're
Speaker 4: gonna start doing shows in the next month.
Speaker 3: You know that'll be good man, gain me, y'all. It's
Speaker 3: just certain groups, like it's dope seeing Cocaine with a
Speaker 3: bud of law when y'all all together. You feel what
Speaker 3: I mean. It was dope seeing you and Sugar Free
Speaker 3: through that project because I had been waiting. That was
Speaker 3: like a mythical album. I've been waiting for that forever
Speaker 3: for y'all to do something. You know, it's dope seeing
Speaker 3: you I see together. It's dope seeing you with seeing
Speaker 3: up like when you and she are doing y'all shit
Speaker 3: is dope. But I think what it is, man, I
Speaker 3: tell you what the group shit. Man. It's always having
Speaker 3: to depend on other people that get your work done. Dog,
Speaker 3: it's a motherfucker right, And it's always people like for example,
Speaker 3: the homie Chill, he could never really get his just
Speaker 3: do because he was always locked up. You know, he
Speaker 3: always had something going on. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So eight had to carry that whole load. You feel
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And I saw it because I told eight.
Speaker 3: I said, for the longest I thought his name was
Speaker 3: but Comped the most wanting was like an Aliens or
Speaker 3: something like that. I thought, but his name was comp
Speaker 3: this most wanting. I'm comp this most wanting because I'd
Speaker 3: be like, damn, it's this dude. Man. It got a group.
Speaker 3: I don't never see nobody else, but don't rap here
Speaker 3: nobody else being rapping, right. And then when you was
Speaker 3: doing this shit with a bud of law, I saw
Speaker 3: you doing shit with so many people. I was like,
Speaker 3: where is this life? Like wife like is he a
Speaker 3: solo artist?
Speaker 5: What is that?
Speaker 3: And when I saw y'all, it was just so unique
Speaker 3: because you had never seen a black dude what a
Speaker 3: Mexican do? And then for the launches, I thought, I
Speaker 3: ain't gonna lie. I thought Crawl was Mexican half everybody did.
Speaker 3: Everybody did, so uh.
Speaker 4: We used to do meet and greets or like in
Speaker 4: stores and girls like we would be like San Diego,
Speaker 4: all Mensican girls, So you're Mexican And he was like, no,
Speaker 4: are you half?
Speaker 3: No? They were like, well, what are you? I'm black?
Speaker 4: He had a long ass. Jerry Curl Wet Juicy Jerry
Speaker 4: Curl and I'm like, I don't know when they get
Speaker 4: up there, you're Medsican. But what it was on a
Speaker 4: couple of songs he said some Spanish words and he said,
Speaker 4: I'm really good, you know, like he said, ching got
Speaker 4: to Madre the way he's supposed to say it, And
Speaker 4: everybody thought, for some reason, whenever he was whenever he
Speaker 4: would say that, the crowd would go crazy. So when
Speaker 4: they would meet him, are you have Mexican? And I go, bro,
Speaker 4: if you're trying to get laid, just say yes, just
Speaker 4: say yes, you know you know? And that was it, man.
Speaker 4: But me and Kraft had a lot of fun. My
Speaker 4: best time on the road was when it was us,
Speaker 4: Me and high See Second to None, AMG and Quick
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety and we did a Texas tour and
Speaker 4: I was spending for all of them and we still
Speaker 4: have videos of those. Man, it was, oh bro, it was.
Speaker 4: It was on and cracking. Row, it was on and cracking.
Speaker 4: But there were there were eagles. And I will say
Speaker 4: it because I won't say who we were to Texas
Speaker 4: and then they will say this song is bigger than
Speaker 4: all you guys right now. Then we would go up North.
Speaker 4: This song from this group is bigger.
Speaker 3: So everywhere we.
Speaker 4: Went, the promoter wanted one of us to headline. And
Speaker 4: there was always one guy that had a problem with Know.
Speaker 3: Who the fuck that is. I ain't even gonna say
Speaker 3: his name, but y'all know who that was already.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he goes, I'm not even going I'm not even
Speaker 4: gonna rap. Then they want to see you, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, I already know where that is. Yeah, come
Speaker 3: on with this, man. I always wanted to ask you
Speaker 3: this cocaine. I know you're not gonna answer, man. I
Speaker 3: know you're not going to answer it, man, but I'm
Speaker 3: gonna ask you. Ain't even wake it. That's my job.
Speaker 3: When you were with Ruthless Records, right, and the whole
Speaker 3: thing was going down with the Easy, Right, you know,
Speaker 3: the whole thing, the whole war with death Row and
Speaker 3: all that stuff, right, and we might have went over
Speaker 3: this last show if we did. Forgive me, if we
Speaker 3: you know, forgive me. But I've heard things. Man, Easy
Speaker 3: was a little bit into some dark shit, a little
Speaker 3: bit with him.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna answer that. I mean, rap is dark period.
Speaker 1: Just put it like that. So basically all the gangster ship.
Speaker 3: Is it is dark because people had this and I.
Speaker 1: Respectfully said it, Oh.
Speaker 3: No, because I'm just saying it's to lead up to something.
Speaker 3: There's always been this thing that should just went over
Speaker 3: there and tore a ship up. They just did that.
Speaker 3: I don't think Easy had a lot of weight behind him,
Speaker 3: and he wasn't no punk, not at all.
Speaker 6: I mean the n w A movie, don't get depict
Speaker 6: him him driving down the street, you know, I mean
Speaker 6: that's that.
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, that kind of pissed me off.
Speaker 1: Eric had guz, he had bazookas.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Eric was a gangster, He was a gaster.
Speaker 3: He had some ship behind him. What you would expect
Speaker 3: here what he wasn't playing.
Speaker 5: And that's what I gotta tell niggas. This ship all
Speaker 5: the day. Niggas was hood niggas before they was rapping. Man,
Speaker 5: that rap ship was just just came along, just like nigga.
Speaker 5: I'm on the corner selling dope. Nigga'm gonna flip these
Speaker 5: motherfucking records and make me some money. But nigga, I've
Speaker 5: always been from Timton. It was a gang banged nigga.
Speaker 5: That shit was always present.
Speaker 3: And I wanted to ask you that broke because I
Speaker 3: know how political shit is. But all that stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: they show him in the movie like should it just come?
Speaker 3: They just smashed on them, And I'm like, man, I
Speaker 3: don't know if that happened necessarily just like that.
Speaker 6: I mean, how do they know that happens by it hearing nine?
Speaker 6: It's it's it's much more.
Speaker 1: To the poet than me died.
Speaker 6: When it comes to the Rupeless story, you know, you
Speaker 6: can't just tell it in one movie. It has to
Speaker 6: be twelve series. You know, That's how deep it was.
Speaker 6: And Eric was connected.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: You know a lot of people talk about Jerry Hiller.
Speaker 6: He was an important part of Rupeless, like it or not,
Speaker 6: because it was the Jewish lag and you know, Jews
Speaker 6: run the game. You know. Now it's independent and no
Speaker 6: matter what color are, you can do your thing. But
Speaker 6: you know, he you know, Jerry Heller was a significant
Speaker 6: part of Easy to Get Down, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So you know with those two, you know, him them
Speaker 6: being a real gangster, you know what I'm saying, and Easy,
Speaker 6: you know, Jerry Heller having that connection is the reason
Speaker 6: why JG. Fad Record blew up all those records of
Speaker 6: Rubless records blew up, so he was an important.
Speaker 1: Part of the Rubless tree. Like him or not, Jerry Heller,
Speaker 1: he was man.
Speaker 3: Actually, you know what, I don't think he get the
Speaker 3: credit he ever deserved, because of course everybody wants to
Speaker 3: paint the picture that you know, he came in and
Speaker 3: took all the ends, which may have been true, may
Speaker 3: not have been true. I don't know, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. But that's the big thing when you think
Speaker 3: about Jerry Hiller. When people hear Jerry Hiller's name, they
Speaker 3: always want to say, well, he the one that did
Speaker 3: this and did that. What really, when you look at
Speaker 3: the numbers man that people talk about what they was
Speaker 3: getting their contract, they was just kind of industry standard. Yeah,
Speaker 3: at the time, that's what it was, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. It's like I think people that when they
Speaker 3: think about the business, especially back then, when you say
Speaker 3: you go put somebody's record out, man, and you on
Speaker 3: the label, you're committing to spending the least four to
Speaker 3: five hundred thousand dollars dog or something. You may not
Speaker 3: get your money back on. How many times have we
Speaker 3: seen people have these big, massive rollouts, especially when the
Speaker 3: sound scan and the physical shit used to be around.
Speaker 3: And you see a mother for the seven hundred thousand
Speaker 3: units the first week out right. It used to happen
Speaker 3: dog So for every for every time the label roll
Speaker 3: the dice, that's what they doing, They rolling the dice.
Speaker 3: They just hoping it hit. I mean, they come.
Speaker 6: You know, this is the music industry. It's a corrupt business.
Speaker 6: It just started off. Corruption started off mob, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean. So there were times where you know,
Speaker 6: mob would come in and double dip, steal records and
Speaker 6: then sell the records back to the actual company. It
Speaker 6: was a lot of twisted shit going on. Artists wasn't
Speaker 6: getting paid correctly. It was only needled in the haystacks
Speaker 6: of artists that was actually getting paid, you know. But
Speaker 6: the good thing going with Ease is that we all
Speaker 6: had a chance to learn that imprint of real independence,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. He showed us how, you know,
Speaker 6: don't compromise your artistry, your creativity. There's a way that
Speaker 6: you can utilize controversy to your advantages, because you learned
Speaker 6: it from the Izy Osbourne by biting up Betty Edge
Speaker 6: and whatever controversy sales. And he picked up on that
Speaker 6: and he just you know, we were fortunate to have
Speaker 6: Jerry Heller coming from that time. He was the biggest
Speaker 6: booking agent in Canada, booking casts like Elton John led Zeppelin,
Speaker 6: So he was already on the soil coming from Canada.
Speaker 6: So when those two hooked up, it was it was
Speaker 6: a business marriage. That you know, is the reason why
Speaker 6: we all here, tell you the truth. You know, because
Speaker 6: those records, everything it's based upon when it come off
Speaker 6: the tree death row fifty cent, even us participating at
Speaker 6: this table, it depends on the success of Proofus records.
Speaker 1: Period.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, so we don't have no direction of motherfucking music.
Speaker 5: Motherfucking you know, like niggas get a little bud hurt
Speaker 5: when I say we was all fucking techno records and shit,
Speaker 5: you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: That was the Macola days too.
Speaker 5: I mean we was West Coast music was techno like
Speaker 5: a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Egyptian lover, and you.
Speaker 5: We got our dose of rap hip hop from the
Speaker 5: East Coast. Listen, you know, getting them East Coast records
Speaker 5: and shit is how I got turned out. But it
Speaker 5: still wasn't uh representation of what we were doing.
Speaker 6: You do what the Ironic Party is, brother, and not
Speaker 6: to cut you off. The ironic party is is that
Speaker 6: you know, East Coast was telling us, man, y'all did this,
Speaker 6: but wait a minute, when we heard Scotland Rode, Yeah,
Speaker 6: when we heard even the Run DMC, Justice, Koozi Rap Rock,
Speaker 6: Kim School he d we was banging. Yeah, we were
Speaker 6: banging off day music. And then ironically it's the tables turn.
Speaker 6: Now we affect the whole culture. You see people low riding, crips,
Speaker 6: bloods out there. So it was in exchange.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: It started out in New York, but then we took
Speaker 6: it over here and with the exception what you know,
Speaker 6: Easy he did, we it sprouted our worldwide because you
Speaker 6: had groups like yourself, King T of course, Mixed Master Spade,
Speaker 6: Toddy T and all those.
Speaker 5: I got my first dose of experience of a hood
Speaker 5: shit from listening to Todd Spade and all the mixtape
Speaker 5: and walking.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, you know.
Speaker 5: So that was my first experience of of our our
Speaker 5: transition into hip hop. Easy showed that nigga that we
Speaker 5: could be a run DMC or LL core. You getting
Speaker 5: as Easy started putting out those records, niggas was only
Speaker 5: pushing on cassette tapes, right, right, Easy went out and said,
Speaker 5: fuck that, I'm gonna go talk about you know, niggas
Speaker 5: in the neighborhood, and I'm gonna put a record out.
Speaker 5: We didn't know that was possible. Everything was East Coast,
Speaker 5: you get me. You knew niggas was making rap records.
Speaker 5: But like I said, my first ship was listening to
Speaker 5: Todd Nimmo.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely come out at night and ship like that.
Speaker 5: So that was my first like, damn niggas is busting
Speaker 5: about what's going on in the neighborhood. When Easy came out,
Speaker 5: it was like a you go poke your chest out
Speaker 5: because this nigga got an actual record, right. I know
Speaker 5: about nixtapes and consent tapes and shit because I got
Speaker 5: a gang government at the house in my in my boombox.
Speaker 1: But this nigga actually put a motherfucking record out.
Speaker 5: So that made you start thinking.
Speaker 6: Shit and nice tea too, of course, right, you know what,
Speaker 6: but just look at what they lay the foundation for it.
Speaker 3: Because when you talk about cities, when you talk about
Speaker 3: like cities that produce good hip hop, right, Compton, California
Speaker 3: is in that conversation right now, And that was the
Speaker 3: roundwork that was laid you know way back then they
Speaker 3: ate from you to where like it seemed like every
Speaker 3: time Kendrick dropping verse, every time Dot drop a verse,
Speaker 3: it's like he shaked the whole universe.
Speaker 1: Up right right.
Speaker 3: You can tell you know me knowing them, I know
Speaker 3: he just jabbing right now. That's the cold thing about it.
Speaker 3: He just jabbing. He waiting for the response. We can
Speaker 3: come on and come with the bean. You feel what
Speaker 3: I'm saying because I know that kid man so Compton
Speaker 3: just like Southern California as a whole, You can't you
Speaker 3: know this ain't me no sleeping on the Bay or
Speaker 3: nothing like that, but Southern California as a whole, there's
Speaker 3: a monster when it comes to hip hop. And when
Speaker 3: you talk about Long Beach Compton, you know, the south
Speaker 3: central Los Angeles, y'all just laid the crown works for everything.
Speaker 3: Many Pomona, Yeah, Pomona. A lot of people don't know Pomona.
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Speaker 3: the Only Empire, but it's not. It's the last city
Speaker 3: in La County. That's right, that's the last city in
Speaker 3: La County. And it's ruthless as the fuck out there.
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