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Speaker 1: also game Day, lots of college football games tonight throughout

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Speaker 1: an incredible weekend. Yeah, I'll tell you exactly what we

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Speaker 1: should do. We should play a little don't call it

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Speaker 1: throwback Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Don't call it a throwback throw back Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Thurs All right, Jay Stu, what do you got by?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. I want

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Speaker 3: all of the listeners and the contributors on the show

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Speaker 3: to think of what they were doing twenty one years ago,

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Speaker 3: this week, twenty one years ago, this week, Uh, the

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Speaker 3: year two thousand and four. My goodness, what was going

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Speaker 3: the middle of two terms for uh, George w A

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Speaker 3: bunch of fun stuff, bunch of fun stuff. But what

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Speaker 3: did happen? Specifically? I found this gem. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you remember this, but on a list of most

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Speaker 3: memorable Week one games in the history of college football,

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Speaker 3: So twenty one years ago, Isaac LSU played Oregon State.

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Speaker 3: Why is that significant? Well, LSU was coming off a

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Speaker 3: national title that Nick Saban just won for them. If

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Speaker 3: you don't recall. It also would eventually be Nick Saban's

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Speaker 3: last year in LSU before taking the Dolphins job. But

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Speaker 3: what happened in between? They played a humdinger Week one

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Speaker 3: against Oregon State. Mike Riley was the head coach at

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Speaker 3: Oregon State. It went down to the wire, so much

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Speaker 3: so that it went into overtime and on the conversion attempt,

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Speaker 3: They came in a thirteen point favorite on the list

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Speaker 3: of most Memorable Week one games and the History of

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Speaker 3: college Football twenty one days this weekend, Now, Doug, I

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Speaker 3: told you this would be Nick Saban's final year at LSU.

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Speaker 3: Do we remember anything else from that two thousand and

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Speaker 1: Oh god, so many things. I'm trying to think where

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Speaker 4: The Iowaweys were co Big Ten champions of the Big Ten,

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Speaker 3: You have him an energy takes a mile. And then of.

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Speaker 4: Course, uh, actually we're talking about oh four, well, Iowa.

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Speaker 4: You know, Iowa ended up beating Nick Saban the Capitol

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Speaker 3: Yes, we would have been doing this a year or so.

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Speaker 4: I know Dan always, Dan has to be here to

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Speaker 1: If this record has been set, now.

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Speaker 4: We we we hear it was the USC Trojans who

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Speaker 1: Let's let's get to what what was big and.

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Speaker 5: Who, by the way, had been traded shockingly at the

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Speaker 1: It was a killer trade.

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Speaker 3: Very good, very good.

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Speaker 4: What were the Menendez brothers doing in two thousand and four, same.

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Speaker 5: Thing they were doing in a lot of other years recently.

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Speaker 5: I'll throw go ahead, Doug.

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Speaker 1: Who did they play in the World Series.

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Speaker 5: The Saint Louis Cardinals, as I recall, and they swept him?

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Speaker 5: Movie with Jimmy Fallon and Drew Barrymore on the field

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 5: In other non championship two thousand and four activities, but notable. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and four was the famous NFL draft where

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning went to the Chargers but was going to

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Speaker 3: The Giants got two Super Bowl wins. No, which one

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Speaker 1: Well, Eli will be a Hall of Famer, but they're

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Speaker 3: Is Philip Rivers a Hall of Famer?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, absolutely? And by the way, what did the

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Speaker 1: I mean they got was he Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 1: Giants won two Super Bowls. Great, he's a Eli's a

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Speaker 1: great player. Chargers won that trade.

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Speaker 3: Go Chargas go. I just got a call on the

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Speaker 3: hands down, the most memorable moment of two thousand and

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Speaker 3: Janet Jackson's right breast, saying they were the most significant

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Speaker 3: moment in two thousand and four, justin Timberlake and the

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Speaker 3: That cup was spring loaded. Who again called you Janet

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Speaker 4: Very impressive that that that cup was booby trapped. It

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Speaker 4: was spring loaded. I mean, I think popped off that

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Speaker 1: In college basketball, Yukon was your national champion. Uh. They

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Speaker 1: but the the game was known for the semi final

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Speaker 1: a four point game to one point game where a

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Speaker 1: ton of money changed hands. You guys remember this. I

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Speaker 1: believe it was Chris Douhan. Wow, do you just don't

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Speaker 5: No, well I don't just don't remember that, But how

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Speaker 1: of four. Okay, But it was the classic bad beat

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Speaker 5: I thought, you guys, Chris Crosses the Gamblers something else

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Speaker 5: that happened in two thousand and four and concluded in

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Speaker 5: two thousand and four. I think the single most controversial

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Speaker 5: in professional sports. And if you want to correct me

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Speaker 5: if I'm wrong, that's fine. But the Los Angeles Lakers

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Speaker 5: Jackson's contract. Shaq was rumbored to be traded, Shack demanding

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Speaker 5: an extension. In the preseason, Shaq and Kobe having their

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Speaker 5: They make it to the NBA Finals with the point

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Speaker 5: Colorado to play that night in Los Angeles multiple times. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and they wind up losing in the NBA Finals to

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Speaker 5: the Pistons in five games. Still, I think that that

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Speaker 5: was the most controversial event filled single season with the

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Speaker 5: most drama of any team in recent professional sports history. V.

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Speaker 1: Pretty good, Dilo, pretty good.

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Speaker 3: It was right off the top of his head, too,

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Speaker 3: very impressive.

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Speaker 1: What happened? We got to We haven't gotten to the

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Speaker 1: National Football League, have we? Now? Remember, Sam, All, this

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Speaker 1: is two thousand and four, which means it's the two

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Speaker 1: thousand and five playoffs. Okay, two thousand and four, which

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Speaker 1: is the two thousand and five play.

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Speaker 3: You got it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that would be a man who

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Speaker 4: is now at the Helm at Chapel Bill Man at

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Speaker 4: the time heading up the New England Patriots where you're Super.

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Speaker 3: Oh geez? You know what else?

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Speaker 5: You know what also happened in two thousand and four?

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Speaker 1: Line Yeah, Fed?

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Speaker 6: that's gonna be all this stuff that you're gonna have

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Speaker 6: to deal with that. You you didn't have to deal

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Speaker 6: them to thinking maybe she's right. And then I felt

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Speaker 6: I felt the energy change after that. So I shot

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Speaker 6: myself in the in the foot by being in Leah

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Speaker 6: being inquisitive asking all this garn questions.

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Speaker 1: Mmm, that's what did it. That's what did it. She

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Speaker 1: talked herself out of the job because of it. It

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Speaker 1: would be really hard, not impossible, really hard. And I

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Speaker 1: think one of the things is that in the NBA

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Speaker 1: you have to have the respect of the room to win.

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Speaker 1: To have the respect of the room, you have to

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Speaker 1: have one. So she's one. But I just would tell

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Speaker 1: you I don't think she would be viewed anywhere near

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Speaker 1: the same. Here's the other thing about Don Staley. Okay,

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Speaker 1: she is not the classic players coach. It is about

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Speaker 1: Don Staley. She is very good, but it is about

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Speaker 1: Don Stay And the way which she speaks to her

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Speaker 1: Like she's not. This is not hey, let's get a

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Speaker 1: participation trophy and everybody feel good about it. That's not

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Speaker 1: how she's wired. I don't think she works at all

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Speaker 1: in the NBA at all, because women's basketball, just like

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Speaker 1: the trash talk, is like a caricature of men's BASKETBA

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Speaker 1: where it's like way over the top like guys talk trash,

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Speaker 1: but not to the level of the demonstrativeness of the

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Speaker 1: women's game. Coaching is much the same, where it's almost

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Speaker 1: a throwback to the eighties, where the game is simply

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Speaker 1: about the coaches and their outfits and what they're saying

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Speaker 1: and doing, and everything is about their word. In college coaching,

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Speaker 1: everything's about the coach. Women's basketball, especially in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: it's the least important person as the coach, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know how she would handle it. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it'd go over well, and it's not her personality to

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Speaker 1: be submissive in any way. I don't think it works.

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Speaker 1: Do I think there'll be more media because she's a

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Speaker 1: first woman. Yeah, initially, but after that then you're judged

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Speaker 1: but after that, I don't think anybody care. I just

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Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, I guess the Padres. There you go. So

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Speaker 1: I think Jase dou put that on there for one

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Speaker 1: specific reason. I just do. And it wasn't that he

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Speaker 1: wanted to celebrate the Mariners win, right, It's because Jay

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Speaker 1: Darren Ravel is going to join us next hour. Hey,

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Speaker 1: can I get that sound of Chris Career? I thought

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Speaker 1: you brought up a great, great point in the in

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Speaker 1: podcast only end of the show or hour and a

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Speaker 1: half from now where JAYCEU you were talking about the

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Speaker 1: the viciousness of the fan. Now that has become legal

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Speaker 1: in so many states. All right, let's talk about in

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Speaker 1: a second. Here's Chris Career. He's the GM of the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 8: I really have had many interactions with fans. No, when

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Speaker 8: I see guys are like hey, and if I'm out,

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Speaker 8: people have always been respectful and nice and they just say, hey,

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Speaker 8: you know, keep going, appreciate you. And so it's been No,

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Speaker 8: the guys to my face have been nice. I know

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Speaker 8: there's people that are upset, but that's that's any job.

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Speaker 8: And if I was comfortable and saying I felt great

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Speaker 8: about what things are, then I'm because I'm not being

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Speaker 8: realistic about where we are as a team and where

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Speaker 8: things are going. So after last season, I'm frustrated like

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Speaker 8: they are that we didn't win enough games last year.

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Speaker 8: I understand it. Like I said, I don't take things

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Speaker 8: person but when I'm out. People have been generally, you know,

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Speaker 8: very positive and stuff to me. But I know there's guys.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I've gotten some colorful emails from a couple

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Speaker 8: of people, including hoping my kids die of cancer, which

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Speaker 8: is a fun one. I was like, there you go.

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Speaker 8: So that's why I don't take things very personal or

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Speaker 8: real because other people have other issues and stuff in life.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, wishing people as kids die of cancer.

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Speaker 1: I just look, I get it. When you lose some money,

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Speaker 1: you're bitter and you want to talk trash to somebody.

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Speaker 1: You want to let people hear it. I have. If

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Speaker 1: you go to my ig dms like, you'll get people

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Speaker 1: all the time. They'll say things like whatever you want

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Speaker 1: to end if that makes you feel better. But is

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Speaker 1: there a can we all agree that's not a that

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Speaker 1: should not be normalized, We should not be okay, like

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Speaker 1: just I don't know. I would never utter that out loud,

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Speaker 1: even as a joke, for fear of karma reparations. Right.

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Speaker 1: But but Jason, I thought you made a great point

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Speaker 1: earlier today where you were talking about look that the

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Speaker 1: difference here is in the gambling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing, right, So it's a combination of

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Speaker 3: social media, people feeling empowered to say whatever they want.

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Speaker 3: And then you add this legalized betting into the mix,

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Speaker 3: where people have more access to gamble on games, people

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Speaker 3: have more chances to lose games because of people's decisions,

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Speaker 3: and they have access to those people on social media.

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Speaker 3: I would venture to say, in the history of our

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Speaker 3: careers that the tension between fans and team members has

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Speaker 3: never been worse.

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Speaker 1: Fans and team members has never been worse than right now.

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Speaker 5: And I would also add to Jason's thought Doug, that

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Speaker 5: this trickles down to lower level sports more than ever before,

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Speaker 5: when it was never this way in a previous generation.

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Speaker 1: No doubt. You know, we can say that amateurism, some

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Speaker 1: people thought it was a sham all together or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You can say whatever you want about amateurism, but there

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Speaker 1: was always something about college kids where they were sort

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Speaker 1: of off limits, right I mean, I've run into this.

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Speaker 1: There was a player who played in Nebraska. He was

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Speaker 1: a little point guard and they were playing Kansas, and

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Speaker 1: I said he was acting like a punk right now.

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Speaker 1: And I was very specific with what I said, because

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Speaker 1: acting like does not mean you're you are a punk.

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Speaker 1: It means you're acting like something that you're not anyway.

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Speaker 1: There was all this pushback. My good friend Doc Sadler

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Speaker 1: was the coach at the time, and I was the

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Speaker 1: world's worth human being for a couple of days. But okay,

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Speaker 1: but that energy is like the pushback from fans and

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Speaker 1: from administrators was, hey, he's a college kid. And I

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Speaker 1: was like, why I didn't call him a punk? I

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Speaker 1: said he was acting like a punk because he was

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Speaker 1: trying to start a fight.

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Speaker 3: There's a difference.

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Speaker 1: There's there's a massive difference there. But again, the pushback

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Speaker 1: wasn't as much over semantics but it should been. Was

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Speaker 1: more like, hey, this is a college kid. Now we

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Speaker 1: don't have that same What's that I'm looking for? Amount

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Speaker 1: of grace? We have no grace about us. They're expected

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Speaker 1: to perform and they're not. They're not going to. I

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Speaker 1: hate to bring it to you whatever you think about

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Speaker 1: NFL football, Jason especially, who constantly tells us, and he's right,

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Speaker 1: that the product isn't as good as you think it is.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, in some ways, it's very disappointing.

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Speaker 1: Wait till you watch college football. Not only are the

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Speaker 1: players not as good as the pros, because well that's

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Speaker 1: why they're in college and they're younger, but now they're

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Speaker 1: practicing like fifteen times with the team and then playing

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Speaker 1: for them and then switching teams the next year. I

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Speaker 1: just prepare yourself for sloppy football. Sloppy football. The only

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Speaker 1: good part about the early season sloppy football is early

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Speaker 1: season games don't matter as much as they used to

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Speaker 1: because we do have a college football playoff. With that,

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Speaker 1: we welcome in Danny Knell, of course, you know in

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Speaker 1: DK covering college football in the NFL for years. He's

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Speaker 1: a former starting quarterback at Florida State, of course, starter

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Speaker 1: and dear to our hearts. Okay, let's talk about our

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Speaker 1: alma maters, both of very disappointing seasons, very displayed. Now.

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Speaker 1: Florida State was humming along, then their quarterback gets hurt.

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Speaker 1: Then they get left out of the college football playoff

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Speaker 1: two years ago, and the roof collapse. Where are they

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Speaker 1: this year? Man?

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Speaker 9: I would love to sit here and say I guarantee

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Speaker 9: you they're going to get better, and I would hope

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Speaker 9: they can at least double their win total, but even

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Speaker 9: that might find Mike norvel looking for work if they

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Speaker 9: only got the four wins. You know, the win total

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Speaker 9: is in seven and a half, and it's really tight

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Speaker 9: number because I do think that's probably around their beat,

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Speaker 9: around where they'll.

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Speaker 2: Be, you know.

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Speaker 9: And it starts off and out with Alabama going to Tallahassee,

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Speaker 9: a place I'm actually headed to right now. I'm heading

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Speaker 9: up for the weekend to do some work with them

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Speaker 9: with CBS Sports HQ. But it's the great unknown, and

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Speaker 9: Mike Norvella has once again gone to the portal. He's

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Speaker 9: boosted up. He's got a couple of transfer wide receivers,

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Speaker 9: he's got a couple transfer offensive linemen, and he's got

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Speaker 9: the transfer quarterback from Boston College, Thomas Costellanos, to pair

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Speaker 9: with Gus malson who you know. But here's the thing

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Speaker 9: that conturns me, Doug. I've heard a lot of times, oh,

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Speaker 9: this is the perfect quarterback for AU Gus maleson offense,

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Speaker 9: and it doesn't always work out the way everybody wants

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Speaker 9: it to. So I'm a little bit nervous about that pairing,

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Speaker 9: but this feels like I mean, if they're at seven

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Speaker 9: and five, which is just under their win total, it's

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Speaker 9: going to get really uncomfortable around Tallahassee because in a

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Speaker 9: normal situation, I think most most years Florida State would

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Speaker 9: have fired a coach after a two win season. But

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Speaker 9: he just signed the contract extension because of that perfect

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Speaker 9: season you mentioned, and buy out was over fifty million

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Speaker 9: dollars in Florida State doesn't have the luxury. He's just

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Speaker 9: been able to cut a check like that and it

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Speaker 9: only drops to forty million after this year. So even

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Speaker 9: if it's seven and five, I think could end comfortable.

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Speaker 9: But I think he gets one more year, and if

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Speaker 9: he's eight and four, I at least think the fan

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Speaker 9: base will buy in a little bit more. They'll see

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Speaker 9: some progress made the right direction. You kind of helpe,

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Speaker 9: you can stable the ship a little bit.

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Speaker 1: How how has it gotten so? How do you get

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Speaker 1: so bad so quickly? Like how do you go from

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Speaker 1: undefeated to winning two games?

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Speaker 9: So I think there's really only one explanation. You lost

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Speaker 9: the locker room and you had guys quit on you

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Speaker 9: because that team was too talented on paper. I mean,

655
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Speaker 9: they were a trendy pick to win the ACC again

656
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Speaker 9: the next year that they missed on the quarterback. You know,

657
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Speaker 9: dj Ue Junglay was the quarterback that was pretty polarizing

658
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Speaker 9: coming in. There were some skeptics on him, myself included

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Speaker 9: I didn't think he was great, but I also didn't

660
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Speaker 9: think he would drop out, like the floor dropped out

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Speaker 9: from there. And this is kind of I think a

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Speaker 9: unique thing in today's era when you live in the

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Speaker 9: transfer portal, which Florida State kind of has. They haven't

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Speaker 9: recruited as well as they've hit the portal. If you

665
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Speaker 9: have guys that you're kind of hired mercenaries to come

666
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Speaker 9: in just for one year and you know, help you

667
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Speaker 9: accomplish your goals the minute you fall short of them,

668
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Speaker 9: like those players that transferred in last season, they thought

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Speaker 9: they were going to be competing for an a SEC

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Speaker 9: championship and a national title potentially, just like the season before.

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Speaker 9: But once that kind of falls off and you fall

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Speaker 9: by the wayside and those goals are unachievable, which they

673
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Speaker 9: were pretty much after four or five weeks in the

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Speaker 9: season last year, then it turns into what I experienced

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Speaker 9: in the NFL, and that's when guys just start playing

676
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Speaker 9: for a paycheck and they start going through the motions

677
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Speaker 9: and as long as my check clears, I'm good. Gone

678
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Speaker 9: are the days of you know, playing for pride and

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Speaker 9: university and making sure your classmates. Like I don't know

680
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Speaker 9: how it was for you, Doug in college, but like

681
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Speaker 9: by the class of ninety two, that was our guys, Like,

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Speaker 9: and we all came in together. We have a lot

683
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Speaker 9: of pride in our class. What would we accomplish all together? Well,

684
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Speaker 9: today's game, half the class is transferred out, like most

685
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Speaker 9: of the guys are transferred, so they don't really care

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Speaker 9: about school history or playing with guys they came in

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Speaker 9: as freshmen with because a lot of them only put

688
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Speaker 9: played together for eight months. So I think in a

689
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Speaker 9: very transfer portal class. The guys quit on Mike Novel

690
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Speaker 9: at the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: Stell Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Gonna be

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Speaker 1: ater Oklaoba State, Miama matter similarly disappointing season. They tried

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Speaker 1: to get rid of Gundy. He had a rollover contract,

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Speaker 1: so they got out of the rollover contract days. But

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, it's sort of win or else.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I still don't know if they have the

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Speaker 1: money to buy him out. But you know, they went

698
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Speaker 1: out in the market, spent a lot of money and

699
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Speaker 1: they have sixty new players they played tonight.

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Speaker 9: That's unbelievable. Yeah, I mean it's the worst season since

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Speaker 9: his first year. I mean, Mike Gundy has been just

702
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Speaker 9: churning out winners for them, you know, almost his entire career,

703
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Speaker 9: and this really felt like an anomaly. But you do wonder,

704
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Speaker 9: you know, in a new era the players respawning the

705
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Speaker 9: same way. I am a huge fan of Mike Gundy.

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Speaker 9: I think the guy can flat out coach. I love

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Speaker 9: his the university, the fact that he played there. And

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Speaker 9: but again another team that last year, it was really

709
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Speaker 9: hard to predict because they had Ali Gordon coming back,

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Speaker 9: they had a lot of veteran offensive lineman coming back,

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Speaker 9: and then just the rails came off. So you wonder,

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Speaker 9: like culturally, what's happening. And then, as you mentioned, some

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Speaker 9: of those questions started to come in, are you going

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Speaker 9: to retire? You're going to hang it up? And you

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Speaker 9: know he gets the chuckles and said, my wife won't

716
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Speaker 9: let me, and it's all good. But if there's another

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Speaker 9: rough season. I do wonder how that unfolds, but I

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Speaker 9: have a hard time thinking they're going to be as

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Speaker 9: bad as last year. And in a wide open Big twelve,

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna trust the coach that's kind of been there

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Speaker 9: and done it, knows how to win in that league.

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Speaker 9: A little bit concerned about question marks. Zane Flores was

723
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Speaker 9: expected to be the starter. Hass Haney that got, you know,

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Speaker 9: younger player they transferred in. He's a redshirt freshman. He's

725
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Speaker 9: getting a nod, so kind of curious. But a guy

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Speaker 9: who I've trusted for a long time with quarterbacks and

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Speaker 9: quarterback development, Gundhy, I'm gonna trust him with that decision.

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Speaker 9: As long as they're not doing the hockey line change.

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Speaker 9: Did it a couple of years ago, remember that they

730
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Speaker 9: played like four different quarterbacks and it was absolutely wild. Yeah,

731
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Speaker 9: three different quarterbacks and they were shuttling in every other

732
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Speaker 9: series and moses kind of wild. They need to, you know,

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Speaker 9: find some stability at that position, and I feel like

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Speaker 9: they should be able to compete in a wide open

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Speaker 9: Big twelve.

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Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the

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Speaker 1: voice of Danny canell I know you always tweak the SEC,

738
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Speaker 1: but the SEC has tons of money, lots of good football.

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Speaker 1: Calen de Boor, that's a hard deal. That's a hard deal, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean I would have had him in the playoff

741
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Speaker 1: last year, but they don't make the playoff. Now he's

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Speaker 1: in year two. How realistic is it to think that

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Speaker 1: he can get this team to the playoff where people

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Speaker 1: can allow him to breathe as head coach.

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Speaker 9: I think it's pretty realistic, Doug. I actually picked him

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Speaker 9: to win the SEC. I think Kaitlen de Boor is

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Speaker 9: an outstanding coach. Like I don't think you forget how

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Speaker 9: to coach, but I do think there was a transition

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Speaker 9: period because you know, Nick Saban greatest coach we've seen

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Speaker 9: in college football. He's a totally different style of coach.

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Speaker 9: I mean, first of all, he's in defensive minded coach.

752
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Speaker 9: He's no nonsense. You know, he's very rigid with the

753
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Speaker 9: media when he was a coach. And then Taylor de

754
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Speaker 9: Borr is an offensive mine who's as friendly as against

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Speaker 9: with the media, a little bit more player friendly. And

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Speaker 9: in that transition period, I do think the players took

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Speaker 9: advantage of them. You know, some of the reports coming

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Speaker 9: out there. Players you know, they were saying, hey, we

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Speaker 9: got to stop being late to practice, which I guarantee

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Speaker 9: you they were never late to practice with Nick Saban there.

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Speaker 9: They never had a letdown game the way they did

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Speaker 9: last season. After they beat Georgia, they start four to oh,

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Speaker 9: they beat Georgia, it looks like they're going back to

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Speaker 9: the title and they lose to Vanderbilt. You know, as

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Speaker 9: a twenty eight point favorite like that was super shocking

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Speaker 9: to watch that unfold. Those types of things didn't happen

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Speaker 9: during the saving air because he was so rigid and

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Speaker 9: tight and held those players to such a high standard.

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Speaker 9: I think now that the players are more used to

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Speaker 9: Kaylen de Bor's coaching style and he's more used to

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Speaker 9: the players, and they're kind of acclimating together. I think

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Speaker 9: that'll help smooth that transition. So I expect them to

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Speaker 9: be a lot better. There is a massive question mark, though,

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Speaker 9: and it's Ty Simpson, their new quarterback. He hasn't been

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Speaker 9: able to win the starting job there, but he stayed,

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Speaker 9: he's been in the system. He brings Ryan Grubbed, his

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Speaker 9: offensive coordinator that was with him at Washington two years ago.

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Speaker 9: He's moving to Tuscaloos that helped him with that offense,

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Speaker 9: which I really do think will aid Kayln de Borr offensively.

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Speaker 9: And as much as you know Jalen Milroe had a

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Speaker 9: pretty good season last year, I don't think he was

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Speaker 9: the type of quarterback that Kaylen de Boor really wanted

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Speaker 9: to flourish with. I think Ty Simpson will fit his

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Speaker 9: Simpson system better as long as he goes through the

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Speaker 9: reeds and like makes the right progressions and doesn't play

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Speaker 9: like a first year starter, which is a lot to

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Speaker 9: ask for him. But the reason I like him is

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Speaker 9: they probably have the best offensive and defensive line in

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Speaker 9: the country, but on both sides of the ball, I

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Speaker 9: don't know. I'm sure you're familiar with Bruce Feldman. Is

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Speaker 9: the Freaks list. They have more than anybody. They've got

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Speaker 9: six players on that freaks List. You know, a couple

793
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Speaker 9: of them on the offensive line. They're all over the field.

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Speaker 9: They're still a pretty full coupboard that Kaylen de Boor inherited.

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Speaker 9: A lot of those guys have still been there, so

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Speaker 9: I think they're going to take a big step forward

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Speaker 9: this year.

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Speaker 1: LSU Clemson, Sorry.

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Speaker 9: Night, you like I like Clemson. I trust them a

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Speaker 9: little bit more. The one thing. Even when I say that, though,

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Speaker 9: I'm like, they were zero and three against the SEC

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Speaker 9: last year. You know, they lost to South Carolina at home.

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Speaker 9: They lost to Georgia at the first game of the

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Speaker 9: year and it was ugly, and they lost to Texas

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Speaker 9: in the playoffs. But I was actually encouraged the way

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Speaker 9: they played against Texas. I thought they played them pretty tough.

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Speaker 9: Score was a little bit misleading. Texas scored a eight

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Speaker 9: touchdown to kind of push it out of range. I'm

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Speaker 9: a believer in Kid Klubnick. I'm a believer in their

810
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Speaker 9: offensive line, and I'm concerned that LSU is circling in

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Speaker 9: four new offensive linemen around Garrett Nussmeyer, who is about

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Speaker 9: as much of a pocket passer as you'll see in

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Speaker 9: today's game. Like most guys are mobile, they run around,

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Speaker 9: he's sort of traditional. On the road, crowd noise gets involved.

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Speaker 9: I think that could really impact their ability to protect

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Speaker 9: Garrett nus Meyer. So I like Clemson. I'm laying the

817
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Speaker 9: three and a half. I like them to win. Watch

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Speaker 9: out their receiving core. They have three wide receivers who

819
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Speaker 9: are as good as anybody in the country. I think

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Speaker 9: they have their way. I haven't winning by probably six

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Speaker 9: or seven. I'm not saying they blow them out, but

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Speaker 9: I think they do cover the spread up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you what Texas and Ohio State

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Speaker 1: we've only heard one person be critical of Archbanning. What

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Speaker 1: do you think of Archbanning? The quarterback as of today?

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Speaker 1: Not potential? What is he today?

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Speaker 9: I think he's a typical first year starter, you know.

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Speaker 9: I mean, we've seen so many five star quarterbacks come

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Speaker 9: in and struggle. You know, some of them figured out,

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Speaker 9: some of them don't you know, Trevor Lawrence was a

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Speaker 9: kid who stepped in at Clinston, stepped into the role,

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Speaker 9: and he won the national championship his first year. We've

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Speaker 9: seen others who don't even get to start at the

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Speaker 9: school they belong to, and they end up transferred out

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Speaker 9: and transfer three times as five stars and still don't,

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Speaker 9: you know, meet their potential. I do think he's good.

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Speaker 9: I think they'll like, there'd be a pretty solid floor,

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Speaker 9: but I do think it'll be a bumpy ride. Like

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Speaker 9: the people. The thing that's kind of driven me nuts

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Speaker 9: is even Texas fans are like, oh, we finally got

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Speaker 9: rid of quinn Ewers, so we can have this massive upgrade,

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Speaker 9: and while I do think the ceiling is higher, quinn

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Speaker 9: Ewers had some great games in tough situations. Last year

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Speaker 9: he went into Michigan, had a phenomenal game, a couple

845
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Speaker 9: of touchdown passes leads him to victory. Two years ago,

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Speaker 9: he went into Tuscaloosa against Nick Saban through three touchdowns,

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Speaker 9: one on the road. Last year in the playoffs against

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Speaker 9: Arizona State, they had a fourth down to save the season,

849
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Speaker 9: to force it to overtime, he converts with a big

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Speaker 9: touchdown pass. Quinn Ewers I think has been cast aside

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Speaker 9: as some sort of scrub. He was really good for Texas,

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Speaker 9: and I just I'm curious if arts Manning in his

853
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 9: first year can come through with those type of plays.

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Speaker 9: I think eventually they'll come, but I do think it

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Speaker 9: can be a little bit up and down for him,

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Speaker 9: just like it is for every other starting quarterback for

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Speaker 9: the first time.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff, DK, You're the best man. Look forward to

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Speaker 1: hearing you talking to you more. As college football season

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Speaker 1: so much.

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Speaker 9: Appreciate it, Doug, have a go and enjoy the games.

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Speaker 10: Do you know what day it is today? Are you

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Speaker 10: familiar with data is today? I was say, are you

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Speaker 10: familiar what day it is today?

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Speaker 1: What day is it?

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Speaker 3: It's Thursday?

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Speaker 1: Nope?

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Speaker 3: Wrong answer that it is Thursday?

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Speaker 1: Though, I mean you're technically correct. That wasn't the answer

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Speaker 1: we're looking for. Jase, do you know what you know?

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Speaker 1: What day today is? No?

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Speaker 3: Nothing, I'm guessing it's Thursday. We gotta throwback Thursday.

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Speaker 1: We do have. Don't call it throwback Thursday. Today is

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Speaker 1: game Day, suckers, that's right, Dame Day. College football back

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Speaker 1: Maya Monor, Oklahoma State, Uh Wisconsin play tonight, boy, see

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Speaker 1: it takes on South Florida. Here's how you know your

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Speaker 1: old school, right, this is how you know you're a

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Speaker 1: college football fan. You've been doing this for a minute.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember when South Florida got all the way

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Speaker 1: up to number two in the rankings. This actually happened,

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Speaker 1: number two in the rankings. I'm gonna go it somewhere

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Speaker 1: along the lines of fifteen seventeen years ago they were

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Speaker 1: number two in the rankings.

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Speaker 3: Two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 1: There you go, how many years ago that seven, eight, seventeen,

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Speaker 1: eighteen years That was actually really good of me. Two

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Speaker 1: thousand and seven they got to number two in the rankings.

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Speaker 1: Lost at home and Jim Levitt was the coach. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Jim Levitt got arrested was that yesterday the

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Speaker 1: day before.

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Speaker 4: I think that's why it reminded a bunch of people

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Speaker 4: that they got up to number twos because he probably

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Speaker 4: the news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, hey, I know that now, I know

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Speaker 1: that name. Anyway, it is game day. That's that's the

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Speaker 1: And I actually I'll give credit to Chase do because

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Speaker 1: I think he picked him out. In the teams that

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Speaker 1: are interesting. Last year, the most interesting teams for me,

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Speaker 1: Colorado was interesting. Oklahoma was Mike because in the SEC

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Speaker 1: and I don't think Oklahoma fans have any idea of

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Speaker 1: what they've actually gotten themselves into. But of the top

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Speaker 1: five most interesting teams this year, Colorado is Jase Douo

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Speaker 1: has them number one. I would say it's a great argument.

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Speaker 1: You can make their one of the top five. And

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Speaker 1: the reason is you have coach Prime, but you don't

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Speaker 1: have Travis Hunter, and you don't have Shador Sanders. You

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Speaker 1: don't have Shiloh Sanders coach prime though he had a

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Speaker 1: This is interesting, let's discuss it. This from Yahoo. One

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Speaker 1: of the most talked about stories in the college twell

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Speaker 1: landscape over the last few years is how much money

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Speaker 1: players are making through NIL. While some argue that players

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Speaker 1: are getting their long deserved compensation for constantly putting their

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Speaker 1: body on the line for fans entertainment, others have oppining

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Speaker 1: that NIL has reduced competitive balance in the sport. Recently,

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Speaker 1: Colorado head coach Dean Sanders proposed another way to incentivized

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Speaker 1: players by having them paid for both making and winning

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Speaker 1: the college football playoff tournament. I think that's great. I

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Speaker 1: think the NCAA tournament as well. You know, why not?

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Speaker 1: Why not incentivize winning? I love it. All of these

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Speaker 1: contracts can be incentive latent, but keep in mind, yes,

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Speaker 1: the school does make more money when they make the

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Speaker 1: NCAA tournament, not so much money that you're going to

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Speaker 1: get a five hundred thousand dollars bonus or raise or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And if it was really an il, yeah, of course

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Speaker 1: you win a tournament, you should be able to get

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Speaker 1: it because your name, your profile should grow. But there's

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Speaker 1: this other side to it, or maybe two other sides

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Speaker 1: to it. First thing is that most the pendulum has

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Speaker 1: swung to where it is really, really, really pro player.

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Speaker 1: If a player doesn't like the school, the player can

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Speaker 1: put themselves in the portal. You still have to be

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Speaker 1: liked by another school. We signed a player yesterday yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Now he's we haven't announced yet. He's a foreign player.

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Speaker 1: I believe the PaperWorks in so I could technically talk

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Speaker 1: about him, but until I get an email saying he's clear,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to because I'm excited about coaching him.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is that because he's a foreign player,

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Speaker 1: and because of the way contracts were written, he could

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Speaker 1: essentially have a great first half of the season and

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Speaker 1: then sign another pro contract back where he came from,

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Speaker 1: make more money and leave our team and we have

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Speaker 1: no recourse. Could we go out and get another player.

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Speaker 1: We could, but again it's way less than ideal to

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Speaker 1: do it. Then way less than ideal. So should you

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Speaker 1: incentivize winning? Yeah? Why not? Why not we incentivize grades

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Speaker 1: at our school. You get good grades, get Ober three

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Speaker 1: to zero, you get a bonus everybody across the board.

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Speaker 1: But I love that idea. I would love an incentive

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Speaker 1: Leyden contract, you know, an incentive Leyden contract, and maybe

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Speaker 1: that's what we get to. Those are the perfect contracts.

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Speaker 1: By most people's estimation. You achieve, you get paid. Simple

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have no compensation. But I think it's

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Speaker 1: a great idea because no one has any problem paying

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Speaker 1: more money if you're winning more games. It's interesting, like

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Speaker 1: Dion has so many good thoughts and ideas, and there's

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Speaker 1: so many parts about what he teaches, which are the

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Speaker 1: good way, the good thing. My ability to be critical

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Speaker 1: of Dion Sanders was merely in how his son treated

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Speaker 1: other people. Him being a quarterback is just different. That

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Speaker 1: was it. You know, we've had the showboat cornerback before,

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Speaker 1: the showboat wide receiver before. We haven't had that from

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Speaker 1: quarterback and or on a more limited scale. And there's

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Speaker 1: a reason for that. You're supposed to be getting along

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Speaker 1: with everybody. But as we try, here's my idea for

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Speaker 1: bonus compensation. I love the idea, but you should only

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Speaker 1: be able to collect that bonus if you come back

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Speaker 1: for the next season. Otherwise you're using the fact that

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Speaker 1: you won that championship or you won whatever thing that is,

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Speaker 1: and that's going to help you get more money at

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Speaker 1: your next school. Jase two poke holes in my argument

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Speaker 1: that incentive laden deals are good, maybe not totally realistic.

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Speaker 1: Or you still have a base, but you have to

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Speaker 1: collect the money the next year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you got to stick around to collect it.

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Speaker 3: I like the idea. I don't know how that falls

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Speaker 3: in the by laws of this current wild West, where

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Speaker 3: there doesn't seem to be any bylaws. And I also

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Speaker 3: think that there's something in there about the money being fungible.

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Speaker 3: Like Dion Sanders says, you know you should get bonuses,

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Speaker 3: and then your first thought is, well, then all the

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Speaker 3: teams that typically make the playoffs are gonna get that

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Speaker 3: much bigger an advantage in recruiting because they could say

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Speaker 3: we're gonna make the playoffs and you'll get this much money.

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Speaker 1: But but they already have that advantage, and they already

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Speaker 1: have that advantage.

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Speaker 3: Finance true, and money's fungible. In other words, if I'm

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Speaker 3: I don't know Texas Tech. And I go to a

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Speaker 3: kid who wants to kind of play near home. You

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Speaker 3: could be like, well, whatever that playoff, that playoff bonus

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Speaker 3: was that you were going to get Texas, We'll just

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Speaker 3: make up for it in the next and I el deal.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, yeah, I mean you can do all kinds

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Speaker 1: of bonuses, though, I mean part of it is, you know,

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Speaker 1: Texas Tech right now, they're spending a bunch They're spending

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Speaker 1: a ton of money. But wouldn't it be better to

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Speaker 1: spend a bunch of money if you thought you were

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Speaker 1: actually gonna win. They're not spending money to lose. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's a fantastic idea. I think

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Speaker 1: the idea of having bonuses is smart. We have bonuses

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Speaker 1: in but they're only for academics. I see nothing in

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Speaker 1: the in having a bonus over wins and losses, because ultimately,

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Speaker 1: if you win, that's the idea of the entire thing.

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Speaker 1: I think that once you get into true performance based

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Speaker 1: bonuses and minutes and yards and stats, I think that

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Speaker 1: can be really hard because look, schools will try and

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Speaker 1: save money. They just will. They will