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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we're

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Speaker 1: rolling through the Thursday edition of the program. Unlike CNN Plus,

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Speaker 1: we have not been canceled. We've also not lost three

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in the space of twenty one days.

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Speaker 1: But we are going to continue to bring all of

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Speaker 1: the fights and the battles that are taking place in

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Speaker 1: matter in the world today. And this just happened and

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Speaker 1: is going to turn into a big story. Florida Republican

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Speaker 1: House lawmakers just approved a new congressional map. Remember yesterday

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Speaker 1: the Florida State Senate did this, so there will be

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Speaker 1: four new Republican seats in the House based on this map.

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Speaker 1: They also, and this is going to get a monster

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Speaker 1: amount of attention, they also have stripped Disney of its

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Speaker 1: special powers and they ended Disney's big Tech exemption. On

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Speaker 1: Now to the Governor's desk, Ronda Santis will be signing this.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about each of these and why they are significant. First, Buck,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the congressional map. We talked yesterday, Ryan

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Speaker 1: Gerduski was fantastic. Encourage you to go listen to the

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Speaker 1: podcast of him breaking all this down. But effectively, Florida

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Speaker 1: has added four Republican seats, which will count out the

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Speaker 1: additions that New York, Illinois and cancel out I should say,

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Speaker 1: California have tried to do to add seats to the

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Speaker 1: Democratic tally. So assuming that this is upheld by the

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Speaker 1: courts and all these battles, a lot of these redistricting

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Speaker 1: battles end up in the courts, four more seats to Republicans,

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Speaker 1: and putting that in context, we are five seats from

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Speaker 1: a Republican controlled House from Kevin mc arthy taking back

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Speaker 1: the gabble from Nancy Pelosi. So Florida by itself is

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Speaker 1: almost flipping that. Obviously, other states are making their own moves,

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Speaker 1: but this is big number one for the larger national

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Speaker 1: political landscape. It's one of the few times I can

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Speaker 1: think of where a Republican politician anywhere has done something

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Speaker 1: other than just talk a big game about pushing back

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Speaker 1: on woke corporations. Woke corporations understand this, everybody. We're really

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Speaker 1: the vanguard of both BLM propaganda and of COVID lockdowns

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Speaker 1: over the last two years, and woke corporations. Yes, they're

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Speaker 1: trying to indoctrinate your kids and trans ideology and all

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Speaker 1: this stuff that's going on. They support all that, clearly

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Speaker 1: Disney does. But they have been used and really in

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Speaker 1: concert with the White House. I mean, let's understand the

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Speaker 1: White House openly. It says we're telling Facebook to get

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Speaker 1: rid of more disinformation online because that's that's more powerful

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Speaker 1: than any other platform of information dissemination out there. The

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Speaker 1: White House is straight up using these corporations. The Democrat

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Speaker 1: Party is using companies as political weapons. So we can

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Speaker 1: either sit there and say, well, we would like a

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Speaker 1: neutral space where commerce and capitalism, or we can say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, they're going to be consequences for this

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Speaker 1: two you can go back. I've talked to people about

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Speaker 1: you in the ad industry about this for many, many years,

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Speaker 1: I'll say, and this is before things got quite so woke.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember I have a conversation with somebody

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Speaker 1: to big ad agency years ago said, you know, the

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Speaker 1: difference in the left and the right is the left

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Speaker 1: doesn't even have to boycott, they just do enough that

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Speaker 1: the companies are always looking over their shoulder, always concerned

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Speaker 1: about the possibility of when was the last time the

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Speaker 1: left really organized a boycott against a conservative company. They'll

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Speaker 1: do it, but generally speaking, it's just the threat of

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Speaker 1: that's enough to get companies to try to preempt think

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Speaker 1: about how tilted the battlefield is in their favor and

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Speaker 1: that circumstance. Now with Disney, we're seeing real action take

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Speaker 1: it in Clay. If Disney doesn't like it, they can

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Speaker 1: just build their own floor that Yeah, I saw you

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Speaker 1: tweet that out, And so that's the second part of this.

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Speaker 1: This is really significant, and certainly social media has made

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Speaker 1: that worse because Buck, I've been there, You've been there,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of companies haven't. When suddenly you have

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Speaker 1: five hundred or a thousand people angry and tweeting at you,

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Speaker 1: it feels like everybody in the world the first time

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Speaker 1: When the reality is, for twenty four hours, people are

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Speaker 1: gonna get fired up, there's going to be a tempest,

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Speaker 1: and then that tempest almost always passes. What DeSantis has

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Speaker 1: done here to Disney is let it be known that

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Speaker 1: there are consequences for left wing woke Disney politics and

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Speaker 1: reality is, despite what Governor Jared Paulus might be trying

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Speaker 1: to say in Colorado, which got some attention, oh why

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Speaker 1: up Disney World and relocate it from Orlando and all

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Speaker 1: don't think they would be picking Colorado. But they can't.

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Speaker 1: They can't relocate Disney World. They've got all this land,

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Speaker 1: they've built, all the hotels. Disney needs Florida at this

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Speaker 1: have done is when Disney bought all this land back

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Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine, basically the state of Florida said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you get to be judge, jury, and executioner over all

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Speaker 1: of the decisions that are going to be made with

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Speaker 1: these tens of thousands of acres. You want to build

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Speaker 1: a new lake when it comes to develop, Like you know,

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Speaker 1: they don't get to put somebody in prison. But but

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Speaker 1: in terms of the in terms of the master plan.

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Speaker 1: You want to build a new hotel, good, You want

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Speaker 1: to build a new lake to have right in the

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Speaker 1: center of Epcot, good, you can do that. What reportedly

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Speaker 1: buck this. They also get tax abatements and all sorts

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Speaker 1: of benefits from this. It's hard to know the exact

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars a year. Disney doesn't like to talk

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Speaker 1: now that's gone. As soon as Rohd de Santa strokes

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Speaker 1: So when he signs this, boom, this disappears. And so

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Speaker 1: this is a different level of battle. And the ultimate

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Speaker 1: to be what happens in this election in November, because

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Speaker 1: if De Santis wins by seven or eight points, and

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Speaker 1: seismic shot. What shock in what was considered to be

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Speaker 1: just also have to ask why there aren't more Republican governors.

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Speaker 1: I pose this question earlier on in the week. Who

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Speaker 1: see what's going on in Florida? Who see Look, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, there've been articles written about this people and

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Speaker 1: saying leadership of the Republican Party right now, or I

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Speaker 1: But you have to wonder why aren't more of them

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Speaker 1: not like Rhonda said, you know, think about what could

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Speaker 1: and been politically destroyed over them. Yes, but he could

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Speaker 1: comparable states if they had had, you know, economic ruination,

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Speaker 1: eighty percent of Floridians or whatever had had disapproved of

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Speaker 1: you wonder, why aren't these other Republican governors. Some of

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Speaker 1: on the show. Thanks so much, Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to it. So is what is your feeling

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Speaker 1: for hanging out with us here. And you know this

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Speaker 1: showdown in Florida between Rhonda Santis and the activist woke

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Speaker 1: left in this case through the prism of Disney, which

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Speaker 1: is pretty remarkable when you think about it. It's escalating, folks,

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Speaker 1: and this is now a major national story because here's

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Speaker 1: what we saw in the most recent election, right the

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Speaker 1: off year election that occurred in Virginia, parents mobilizing and

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Speaker 1: first of all, seeing what was being taught to their kids,

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Speaker 1: seeing what the school boards and what the school administrators

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Speaker 1: and unions really favor, which is just the interests of

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Speaker 1: adults over the children, and also wokeness and indoctrination. That

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Speaker 1: created a surge that delivered a huge win to Governor

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Speaker 1: Glen Yonkin and almost delivered a governorship the governor's mansion

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Speaker 1: the state of New Jersey to a Republican which is

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Speaker 1: which would have been completely mind blowing in politics, given

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Speaker 1: the numbers, the registration advantage Democrats have there. But parents

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Speaker 1: who are mobilized around the idea of what their children

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Speaker 1: are learning, what the school system is doing to their kids,

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Speaker 1: it's a big issue. Democrats thought that they would regain

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Speaker 1: the moral high ground by picking this fight over the

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Speaker 1: I don't even like to you know, I don't like

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Speaker 1: to say that. Don't say gay bill because that's propaganda.

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Speaker 1: It's called the Parental Rights in Education Law. It was

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Speaker 1: signed at his law now, but they got to rename

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Speaker 1: and the whole media you saw this working real time.

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Speaker 1: They got to rename it. And what happened was a

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Speaker 1: remarkable reversal because of exactly what Clay and I were

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Speaker 1: just talking about with you, which is that Ronda Santists

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Speaker 1: doesn't get punched in the face and run away and

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Speaker 1: say I'm sorry, Libs, please don't be mean to me.

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Speaker 1: You take a swing at Ron. He's going to take

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Speaker 1: a swing back politically speaking. And he fought back on

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Speaker 1: this by telling people read the bill. Remember those press

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Speaker 1: commerces he would have When they would say, why do

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Speaker 1: you have a bill that just don't say gay? He'd say,

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Speaker 1: is that in the bill? Read the bill? What is

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Speaker 1: in the text? What does the polling say about the bill? Now,

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Speaker 1: of course, now it's a law. And the more we

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Speaker 1: find out about the Democrat position on this, the activist

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Speaker 1: left position on this, the more trouble. I think it's

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Speaker 1: causing for them politically. And they know that the time

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Speaker 1: is you know that the time is flying here. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be at that midterm election soon, and angry parents

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Speaker 1: are not good for the Democrat party right now. Jen

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Speaker 1: Saki was on the I guess that is this going

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Speaker 1: to be like an NFT or some kind of a

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Speaker 1: collector's item all the interviews that have been on CNN

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Speaker 1: Plus because you know, limited edition. Let's be honest, they're

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Speaker 1: very much limit if you're just getting in your car,

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Speaker 1: CNN Plus has been canceled. This glorious day for anybody

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Speaker 1: who believes in truth. But that is the joke there,

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Speaker 1: because I think some people are like, what already yet?

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Speaker 1: Twenty one days at last it was? It turned out

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Speaker 1: to be almost like, you know, a band that came

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Speaker 1: together for a few last live performers that also happened

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Speaker 1: to be there only performances, yes, but that's what Plus was.

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Speaker 1: Here is Jensaki when she's and I want you to

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Speaker 1: listen closely. We're gonna play this whole sound. But if

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Speaker 1: you're listen closely to the White House Press Secretary, who

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Speaker 1: just a couple days ago was literally sobbing, I mean,

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Speaker 1: not exaggering, sobbing in an interview about how mean the

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Speaker 1: Parental Rights and Education Bill is. They say they don't

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Speaker 1: want to teach your kids this stuff. Listen to what

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Speaker 1: the White House Press Secretary claims. The laws not about

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Speaker 1: teaching sex education. It's about teaching about gender identity. So

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Speaker 1: what do you do if a kid in one of

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Speaker 1: these elementary schools, says, what about Sally? Sally has two

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Speaker 1: moms or I'm not sure if I'm a girl or

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Speaker 1: a boy. I mean, these are kids who are experiencing

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Speaker 1: these moments in their lives. I also think that these

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Speaker 1: are not There is not a big record of their

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Speaker 1: being either sex education or extensive gender identity education in

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Speaker 1: these schools. And this is creating a problem or a

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Speaker 1: political cudgel about an issue that I don't think exists. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, she just said that the issue exists. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you can't say, what do you say to a

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Speaker 1: boy or girl who asks whether they are a boy

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Speaker 1: or girl? I have an answer for you, as someone

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Speaker 1: who has had three kids through kindergarten and currently has

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Speaker 1: a first grader. You tell them boys have penises, curls,

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Speaker 1: have vaginas. Go to the bathroom of your gender. You

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Speaker 1: are one or the other. This is not a complicated question.

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Speaker 1: Anybody who has ever had a five year old has

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Speaker 1: had to say, Hey, boys go to the boys bathroom,

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Speaker 1: girls go to the girls bathroom. We don't need to

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Speaker 1: confuse the gender of a freaking kindergartener. Okay, So the

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Speaker 1: fact that she says this isn't an issue. Like within

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds of saying what do you say when this occurs,

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Speaker 1: the answer is you are not in the business of

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Speaker 1: telling someone that they are a different gender than what

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Speaker 1: their biology purports to show when they are kindergartner's first grader,

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Speaker 1: second graders, and third graders, and the idea buck. I

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Speaker 1: would be furious if my first grader came home and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: today at school one of the teachers said that because

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Speaker 1: I had a pink shirt on today, that I must

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Speaker 1: be a girl, and they sent me to the girls bathroom.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is crazy talk. We know what boys

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Speaker 1: and girls are like that there was that great meme

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Speaker 1: of Amy Coney Barrett, you know, when we had just

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Speaker 1: had the Katangi Brown Jackson hearings. She couldn't answer what

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Speaker 1: a woman was, and there was that Amy Coney Barrett

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Speaker 1: memorably had like a note card in front of her

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Speaker 1: and there was a meme where it just said boys

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Speaker 1: have penises, girls have vaginas. I don't understand how this

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Speaker 1: has become confusing or complicated for the Democrat Party. That's

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Speaker 1: one of the more memorable statements of fact from kindergarten

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Speaker 1: cop For those who don't remember yes, which is a

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Speaker 1: you know, a movie. Evidently it's a hateful film. Historically

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Speaker 1: it's not you know, I remember we all remember kindergarten

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Speaker 1: cop Yes, and uh, I do want to tie this

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Speaker 1: in though, Clay to why the libs of TikTok hit

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Speaker 1: piece also happen now? Because you notice Jensaki, and that's

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Speaker 1: exactly the right analysis of this. Jen Psaki says this

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Speaker 1: isn't a problem after saying it is a problem because

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Speaker 1: they can't get the story straight. You saw this with CRT.

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Speaker 1: You see this with the left a lot, You saw

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Speaker 1: it with inflation. But in the CRTs are closer more

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Speaker 1: analogous situation where they say, that's not CRT. No one's

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Speaker 1: teaching CRT in school. Oh, you can't know what CRT

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Speaker 1: is unless you have a PhD too. Damn it. They're

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Speaker 1: not letting us teach CRT anymore. Right. They go through

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Speaker 1: these processes of trying to hide what's happening and lie

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Speaker 1: in misdirect exact same thing here. Why does this time

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Speaker 1: the libs of TikTok Because and to be summar stands

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Speaker 1: libs of Tikkok ends up being on Tucker Carlston Show

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Speaker 1: and ends up being on Facebook and other platforms too,

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Speaker 1: So it really was just a feeder for but it

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Speaker 1: was showing people teachers who were saying how important it

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Speaker 1: is to them to teach five year olds crazy stuff.

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Speaker 1: So Jen Saki's life is complicated to lie to you,

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Speaker 1: the concerned parents of America, about what your kids are

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Speaker 1: being taught, because she's out there saying this is just

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Speaker 1: about like what if somebody has you know, gay parents. No,

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Speaker 1: that's actually not what this is about. It's about teachers

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Speaker 1: who want to have pronoun choice day and tell a

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Speaker 1: little boy who's five who says, I feel like a

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Speaker 1: girl today. Oh, let's let's chase this down and not

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Speaker 1: tell your parents and maybe in a few years we'll

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Speaker 1: even have a transition for you. That's what this is

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Speaker 1: actually about. And that's why they were trying to shut

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Speaker 1: down libs of TikTok, because some libs were saying it

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Speaker 1: out loud, No, there's no doubt. And this is when

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Speaker 1: you know that you are over the target, when you

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Speaker 1: start taking flak. And what's amazing to me, and we

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Speaker 1: talked about this earlier in the week, Buck, I really

603
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: feel like the Democrats. I saw somebody tweet this are

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Speaker 1: trying to tank and I said, what could they possibly

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Speaker 1: be thinking on all of this? And someone sent me

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Speaker 1: an email and I thought it was an interesting email

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Speaker 1: regarding the masking and the decisions that are being made,

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Speaker 1: and they said the only thing I can think, Clay,

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Speaker 1: because I agree with you and Buck. This was the

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Speaker 1: email was saying, Hey, it seems like they're intentionally picking

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Speaker 1: the worst argument of every single issue. Right if you

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Speaker 1: had to sum up the Biden White House, Buck, you

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Speaker 1: and I, even if we were being hired to try

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Speaker 1: to spend for them, there's almost nothing we could spend

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Speaker 1: in their favor. And the argument was, I feel like,

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Speaker 1: and this is his argument, but I'm curious whether it

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Speaker 1: might actually be true. They are trying to set up

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Speaker 1: to be able to have all mail in ballots again

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Speaker 1: in November by saying COVID still hasn't gone away, and

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Speaker 1: that is their safety net, that's the only thing. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here trying to think, why would they be

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Speaker 1: arguing in favor of the DJ even appealing this mask situation.

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Speaker 1: And that's the only thing I can think, Buck, because

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Speaker 1: otherwise everything they're doing, the bidas Touch is destroying everything

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Speaker 1: that he touches. I gotta say, I hope, I really

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Speaker 1: hope that every Democrat running for office in Michigan, Wisconsin, Yep,

627
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Speaker 1: you know, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia. I hope that they really

628
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Speaker 1: really dig in. I mean, they really get get as

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Speaker 1: deep as they can on the issue of we absolute

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Speaker 1: it is a core foundational right in society to have

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Speaker 1: publicly funded bureaucrats telling your five year role that it's

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Speaker 1: time for gender transition talk. I want them all to

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Speaker 1: run on this. Their party believes it, they should have

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Speaker 1: to defend it. I want them to explain why the

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Speaker 1: White House is putting out we need preadolescents to be

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Speaker 1: having gender transition surgery as well as hormones, and that

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Speaker 1: that is standard of care. And if you don't believe that,

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Speaker 1: you're a bigot, let's have them run on this. Go

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Speaker 1: for it, guys, go a man. It's child abuse. It

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Speaker 1: is without a shadow of a doubt in both of

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Speaker 1: our opinions, and I think almost the vast majority of

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Speaker 1: the American public as well. It's child abused. To be

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Speaker 1: trying to change someone's gender when they are under eighteen

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton show. Your audio extravaganza begins now. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for hanging out with us, for joining us here

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Speaker 1: New York City, Nationville, Tennessee, all across the country. We

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Speaker 1: got the mask situation on the planes. A little bit

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Speaker 1: of update on that one. The United CEO says he

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Speaker 1: thinks they're never coming back. The DOJ says they're going

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Speaker 1: to challenge the ruling, but not clear exactly when, how

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Speaker 1: or in what way. Do they just want the authority

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Speaker 1: to mask you up when they decide again to do it.

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Speaker 1: We will dive into that. Does Biden even know what

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Speaker 1: title forty two is? That's an open question. After a

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Speaker 1: press conference earlier today, he was discussing another eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eight hundred million dollars of funding for Ukraine today, added

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Speaker 1: to the billions of dollars that has already been given

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Speaker 1: to Ukraine and weapons assistance and other material. Jensaki makes

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Speaker 1: it even more clear in his sense what she thinks

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Speaker 1: is at stake what the left believes at stake in

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Speaker 1: the parental rights bill. That showdown between Disney and Ron

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Speaker 1: de Santis not going the way the woke libs anticipated,

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Speaker 1: not going the way they were hoping it would. That's

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Speaker 1: for sure. They are now not only on defense politically.

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Speaker 1: I think they're trying to avoid Clay a political route

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Speaker 1: going into the mid terms, pushed on in part by

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Speaker 1: that one that the issue of children, education and doctrination

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Speaker 1: crt the transagenda. We've also got doctor Nicole Safire or

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Speaker 1: you all know her from Fox News. She's fantastic. She'll

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Speaker 1: be joining us talk about the latest with the CDC,

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Speaker 1: the rulemaking authority masks all the rest of it. So

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Speaker 1: that is coming up. But Clay, we just got the news.

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Speaker 1: We just got the news that I guess we are

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Speaker 1: not gonna have to worry about competing for our audience's

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Speaker 1: attention for the three hours we're on daily with CNN Plus.

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Speaker 1: CNN plus has been put out to pasture I guess

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Speaker 1: CNN Plus has been sent to the glue factory. Actually,

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Speaker 1: it is no longer no longer with us as a network.

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Speaker 1: As of today, we've been talking about streaming Netflix. They've

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Speaker 1: gotten crushed. Big changes in the media and political landscape

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Speaker 1: come as a result of all this stuff. But I

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Speaker 1: kinda say, what was CNN thinking CNN Plus Rest in

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Speaker 1: Peace shutting down after just twenty one days, Buck, I

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Speaker 1: think that's basically the length of Kim Kardashian's marriage to

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Speaker 1: Chris Humphrey's back in the day. If I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 1: this is maybe the biggest media failure of all time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you consider that they have invested hundreds

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Speaker 1: of millions of dollars in the launch of CNN Plus.

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Speaker 1: They said, Hey, what America wants is more Brian Stelter.

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Speaker 1: What American needs is Don Lemmon on that wall. What

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Speaker 1: you absolutely positively will pay for is Jamal Hill and

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Speaker 1: Rex Chapman breaking down the latest in the woke universe. Buck.

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Speaker 1: They got an average viewership in a day of under

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Speaker 1: ten thousand people. Under ten thousand people for CNN Plus.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to put that into context, I mean, we

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Speaker 1: have videos on OutKick on our OutKick programming that do

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Speaker 1: infinitely better like OutKick is bigger with the eight shows

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Speaker 1: that we do or whatever than CNN Plus was and

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Speaker 1: buck They spent hundreds of millions of dollars, hundreds of

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars on the belief that people were committed

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Speaker 1: to CNN, despite the fact that no one watches it

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Speaker 1: for free on their cable and satellite packages. By and large,

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Speaker 1: this is one of the greatest miscalculations in the history

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Speaker 1: of media. I don't remember. I mean, I know the

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Speaker 1: Quibbi thing was a huge mess. I think that was Katzenberg,

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Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. The Daily Beast do you remember

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Speaker 1: when that launched? Actually, the Daily Beast in its initially

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Speaker 1: years of publication I think lost one hundred million dollars,

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Speaker 1: but over the course of a few years, several years,

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Speaker 1: over several years. So basically, light this much money on fire.

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Speaker 1: Hundreds of millions of dollars they spend on the launch,

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Speaker 1: and to have this few people respond and to shut

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Speaker 1: the entire thing down after twenty one days, effective April thirtieth,

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Speaker 1: CNN Plus will no longer exist is an unprecedented failure

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Speaker 1: in the world of media. And I got to tell

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Speaker 1: you buck when I saw this, when my phone blew

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Speaker 1: up with text messages because I didn't even see the

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Speaker 1: news breaking, and everybody who's like CNN plus is done.

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Speaker 1: I just had such a great smile on my face,

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Speaker 1: and I bet a lot of people sort of without

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Speaker 1: even intending to smile. I bet also a lot of

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Speaker 1: people out there listening to us right now also are smiling.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the over under is on? When

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Speaker 1: Chris Wallace shows up on the Mass Singer or perhaps

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Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars is not gonna be the Mass

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Speaker 1: Singer because that's a Fox product. Somebody tweeted me worst

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Speaker 1: decision and there this is fun, you know, from a

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Speaker 1: career arc perspective. Back in the day, remember Chris O'Donnell,

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Speaker 1: he passed on the Titanic role? Was he Robin in

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Speaker 1: the really bad Batman movie? Chris o'donald. Chris o'donald turned

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Speaker 1: down the Leonardo DiCaprio Titanic role to play Robin in

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Speaker 1: that Batman one of the all time worst worst Hollywood decisions. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio has become a monster star. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what Chris O'Donnell does now. So he turned down

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Speaker 1: the role of Jack and Titanic, and somebody tweeted me,

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Speaker 1: and I retweeted, I didn't even make that choice. We

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Speaker 1: could probably get some great responses out here. Chris Wallace

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Speaker 1: joining CNN Plus to leave Fox News better or worse

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Speaker 1: decision than Chris O'Donnell becoming Robin to turn down that Titanic.

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Speaker 1: I think you got to put that to the people.

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Speaker 1: I think you got a phone a friend on that one,

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Speaker 1: as in our audience, and put that out in a

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Speaker 1: poll because the open phone line some of you guys.

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Speaker 1: And there may be other things that people think of

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Speaker 1: from a career arc perspective. I mean, some people might

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Speaker 1: say Johnny Depp marrying Amber heard, given the fact that

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Speaker 1: that's been on news for the past couple of days.

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Speaker 1: But this is I think this is going to be

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Speaker 1: sort of a seismic shockwave event because some people say,

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Speaker 1: why do I care about CNN plus. This is a

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Speaker 1: sign CNN has new owners in the Discovery Time Warner merger,

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Speaker 1: and they're looking at the data now with fresh eyes

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Speaker 1: and they are saying, my goodness to me, this is

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Speaker 1: a test of the overall value of the CNN brand

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Speaker 1: and how much it's liked by the people who consume it,

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Speaker 1: and the answer is not at all. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a number of things that all come together here that

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Speaker 1: are of interest of generally. Just one is Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: broke CNN. Donald Trump, almost singlehandedly, he and it was

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Speaker 1: Jeff Zucker pushing it over there, managed to turn what

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Speaker 1: could still front as a journalism first left leaning, to

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Speaker 1: be sure. And I had a contributor there for a

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Speaker 1: couple of years when it was in this phase, when

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Speaker 1: it was still in the you know, Callie mckinety was

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Speaker 1: over there with me. I was over there. You know,

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Speaker 1: Ben Ferguson was over there. You know, we had conservatives

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Speaker 1: that would and you know, Tucker Carlson had his own

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Speaker 1: show People Forget This at CNN for years and years.

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Speaker 1: That's where he got his start. CNN in the Trump

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Speaker 1: era went essentially full left wing activist woke in a

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Speaker 1: way that's irreparable to the perception of the public about

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Speaker 1: what the what the brand is. I do think they're

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Speaker 1: trying very hard now because it's really about the Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: The whole channel's effectively about the Ukraine War. Right now.

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Speaker 1: They've moved even away from the insurrection in January sixth coverage.

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Speaker 1: I think they're trying to re establish themselves as a

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Speaker 1: news entity in the minds of the public because they

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Speaker 1: just became a kind of more boring, less honest version

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Speaker 1: of MSNBC, which is a lib propaganda network. But everybody

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Speaker 1: knows it, you know what I mean, Everyone understood. Everyone

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Speaker 1: agrees that MSNBC is Democrat, is liberal, and CNN, I

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Speaker 1: think in a lot of ways, because it's such a

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Speaker 1: legacy media brand, insulated the thinking of various anchors and

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Speaker 1: executives over there from the reality of if you have

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Speaker 1: to compete in a marketplace where now people have a

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Speaker 1: lot of choices. You know, streaming is very different from

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Speaker 1: the cable news world. Cable news is very difficult to

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Speaker 1: get on, it's very expensive, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: incumbency protection for limited actual options. Right whereas you can

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Speaker 1: sit down on YouTube and watch anything from anywhere from

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Speaker 1: any perspective, there's three or four options at all for

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Speaker 1: news if you want to sit down in front of

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Speaker 1: your television. And for people who are saying, oh, but buck,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've got five hundred channels. Yeah, but to

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Speaker 1: be in the news spectrum, you have to be in

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Speaker 1: certain channels in a certain zone and have to have

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Speaker 1: a certain level of cover households. Anyway, that's maybe a

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Speaker 1: little inside baseball. But the point here is this is

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Speaker 1: just a massive belly flop. I mean, it's it's stunning

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Speaker 1: to watch this play out, but it's really not surprising. Like,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't McClay you sold your business to Fox, you know,

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Speaker 1: built a successful business with streaming. Wouldn't you have been

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Speaker 1: shocked if all of a sudden CNN was drawing you know,

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Speaker 1: CNN plus I mean was drawing a half a million,

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Speaker 1: a million viewers a night. I mean, that would have

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Speaker 1: been that would have been stunning. It would have been stunning.

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Speaker 1: And Buck, I think you're right because what CNN not

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Speaker 1: only did under Jeff Zucker before they forced him out

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Speaker 1: during the Trump era was there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: people out there listening to us right now who had

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Speaker 1: CNN pegged as the most trusted name in news. Right

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Speaker 1: in the context of back in the Gulf War, I

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Speaker 1: remember being a kid, you would come home and you

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Speaker 1: would turn on CNN and they had Bernard Shaw reporting

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Speaker 1: from Baghdad or Kuwait or wherever it was they had.

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Speaker 1: The first television war was the way that that was characterized,

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Speaker 1: and you would put it on and you trusted them

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Speaker 1: to bring you the news, and they totally gave up

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Speaker 1: the decades that they had branded themselves to turn into

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Speaker 1: an anti Trump network. He broke them, he really did.

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Speaker 1: And I mean you were you obviously have a history

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Speaker 1: at CNN again, which is amazing. That is like being

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Speaker 1: banned from North Korea, by the way, that is a

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Speaker 1: badge of honor. You know, if North Korea says that

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis is Buck Sex, they're not welcome to visit again,

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Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, that's pretty cool. But but I

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Speaker 1: can just from from personal experience, it give folks a

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Speaker 1: sense of from I think I first started doing occasional

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Speaker 1: CNN hits maybe twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, so be like

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Speaker 1: pre Trump era. Yeah, And Jeff Zucker himself came up

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Speaker 1: me once and said, I did some analysis of a

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Speaker 1: Russian assassination that occurred right near the Kremlin in real

859
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Speaker 1: time on TV, and you know had my you know,

860
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Speaker 1: you have a lawyer hat, I have my CIA hate

861
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: and I and he just came over. He's like, that

862
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: was such a pseudent analysis. They used to have me

863
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: all with their top terrors and analysts on panels. When

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Speaker 1: there was breaking news about major terrorist attacks. I was

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Speaker 1: one of the people they would call. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: it would be me and Paul Crookshank and a handful

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Speaker 1: of other folks. I'm not saying I was the top

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Speaker 1: of the list, but I was one of the people

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Speaker 1: that they would draw upon. By the time Trump was

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00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: running and I started being a pro Trump voice on

871
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: the air, I was told that there were conversations in

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Speaker 1: the control room when I'd be on air about how

873
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: they really needed to dig into my background because they

874
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: thought I never actually worked at the CIA. That was

875
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: how crazy it made them. That was how you know,

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Speaker 1: I could show them briefing photos from the Oval office

877
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they still wouldn't believe it's a deep fake. Right.

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Speaker 1: The point is that was how much they That was

879
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: how much they were broken by the Trump phenomenon that

880
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: they would go even with someone like me from Wow,

881
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: this guy really knows his stuff too. Oh my god,

882
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: he likes Trump. He must be lying about everything. And

883
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: it's well said there too. And and to your point earlier,

884
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: from my background in media, what I have found is

885
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: people pay are willing to pay. I don't mean like

886
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: you pay for a cable subscription. People pay based on

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Speaker 1: strong brand affinity. In other words, if you're subscribing to

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Speaker 1: something that you actually directly pay for. I mean, the

889
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: cable bundle is such an amazing business because most people

890
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Speaker 1: don't realize that they're paying for four hundred channels or whatever,

891
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: because you pay a one hundred or one hundred and

892
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: fifty dollars a month whatever you do, and that money

893
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: gets redistributed to all the channels. When you actually have

894
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Speaker 1: to make a choice to pay for a brand, what

895
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Speaker 1: matters more than anything else is brand definity. Do you

896
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: like and trust that brand? And so your point, I

897
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: would have been stunned. That's if CNN Plus worked, because

898
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Speaker 1: I don't really believe they are that many people who

899
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Speaker 1: are like man, you know who, I love Don Lemon.

900
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Speaker 1: I can't get enough of Anderson Cooper. I mean, you

901
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: might not like Chris Cuomo, but I actually think he

902
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Speaker 1: had stronger brand affinity. People aren't going to pay money

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00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: for Jake Tapper, right, I just don't believe that they

904
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Speaker 1: are now. I think there are people in media, whether

905
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Speaker 1: you like or not, people will pay for Rachel Maddow right.

906
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Speaker 1: They trust Urt on the left, they'll pay for people,

907
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: will pay for Tucker, They'll pay for Sean directly. CNN

908
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: doesn't have any of that. They're kind of still in

909
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Speaker 1: the squishy middle where there isn't strong brand definity. Nobody's

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Speaker 1: paying for Brian Stelter or Jamel Hill or a Rex Chapman.

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Speaker 1: So I would have been stunned beyond belief if this worked.

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Speaker 1: I did think it was gonna last buck longer than

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Speaker 1: twenty one day. I mean, they you know, they do

914
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Speaker 1: have some real they do have some real journalists over there,

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Speaker 1: I mean to be fair, and some of their anchors

916
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Speaker 1: are more fair minded than others. And so I wonder

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Speaker 1: if now, with the massive failure of CNN plus I

918
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Speaker 1: should say massive failure, well it's the CNN failure, but

919
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Speaker 1: the massifailure of CNN plus, maybe now they try to

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Speaker 1: go back to at some level the CNN roots, if

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Speaker 1: you will, of being a more They're never going to

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Speaker 1: be objective folks. Okay, it's a question of where they

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Speaker 1: go on the scale. But you know, I mean Clariss

924
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Speaker 1: Award has done some very good foreign foreign affairs, foreign policy,

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Speaker 1: yes she does. She does brave stuff and knows their

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Speaker 1: could be more in network that at least is center,

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Speaker 1: you know, center Left, and I think they may have

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Speaker 1: they may get a bail out because they could just

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