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Speaker 1: music emanating from the duels. That location in America has

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Speaker 1: a lot of trumpet tears. But I want to tell

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Speaker 1: what happened to Scott was absolutely horrific. Scott was eventually

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Speaker 1: a murder. Today, I'm going to talk about the murder

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Speaker 1: of Scott's Sessions and Heather front I'm Joseph Scott Morgan

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Speaker 1: in this. His body backs out. I gotta tell you,

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Speaker 1: when you begin to think about somebody that puts so

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Speaker 1: truly a professional, it's almost like seeing somebody throw a

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Speaker 1: brick through a beautiful stained glass one too. That's what

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Speaker 1: this is. Joining me today is my friend Jackie Howard,

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Speaker 1: executive producer of Crime Stories with Nancy Griggs. Yet again,

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Speaker 1: you picked a very complicated case that's going to take

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Speaker 1: a lot to unpack. This is thought to be a

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Speaker 1: love triangle gone wrong. There's some indications that it may

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Speaker 1: not have been a love triangle gone wrong. Again, a

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Speaker 1: very very complex case. And the desks that we're talking

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Speaker 1: about today, Stanley Scott Sessions fifty three, the Trumpeter as

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Speaker 1: you were talking about, and Heather Frank. Heather Frank was

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Speaker 1: from friends and family, it was a very toxic, violent relationship,

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Speaker 1: very controlling and manipulative. Then Heather Frank became interested in

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Speaker 1: sessions the trumpeter. She has gone to, as you said,

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Speaker 1: to watch him play, and a relationship blossomed from this.

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Speaker 1: Given the toxic, manipulative nature of the original relationship, it

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Speaker 1: was evident that Eastman was not going to let go,

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Speaker 1: toxic relationship, the visibility of a toxic abusive relationship when

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Speaker 1: often can. What does this toxic abusive relationship look like

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Speaker 1: investigator and you've been, you know, you start to dig

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Speaker 1: how did he get there and what happened to him? Joe, He,

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Speaker 1: particular case, you know, he would have had to have

429
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: cleaned himself up very very well, gotten rid of his clothes.

430
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: More than likely that's what happened, because he would have

431
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: been super saturated in blood. Because this is not something

432
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: you just merely walk away from. This is not like

433
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: you've taken firearm and shot somebody and then you're essentially

434
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: absent visible, visible evidence on your body. And I know that.

435
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: People say, well you can get you know, blood staining

436
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: that blows back on it. Yeah you can, and there's

437
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: guns I residue. But come on, let's face it. What

438
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about here is just the depths of horror.

439
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: Before we talk about the discovery of sessions body, let's

440
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: jump ahead and talk about the death of Heather Frank

441
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: for a second. Heather Frank continued about her quote unquote

442
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: normal life for a week before she was killed. How

443
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: was she killed? Joe with Scott, you know, we've talked

444
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: about this at nauseam relative to sharp force injuries, but

445
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: with Heather, Heather was actually shot shot twice in the

446
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: chest with twenty two caliber ammunition. It's a much I

447
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: don't know if the term merciful really fits in here,

448
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: but let's face it, in the grand scheme of things,

449
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: you're not almost decapitating her, all right, So it would

450
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: have been a much cleaner death, I would think, and

451
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: much less dramatic, if you will, because if she's shot

452
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: in the chest, there's high probability that you're going to

453
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: hit a vital area, perhaps the heart and the lungs,

454
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: and death would soon follow thereafter deep end upon the

455
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: location of the injuries. But we do know that she

456
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: was shot in the chest, and fascinatingly enough, when Eastman

457
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: was discovered, he actually had twenty two caliber ammunition in

458
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: his pocket and that was what she was killed with. Yeah,

459
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: she was in fact killed with twenty two caliber ammunition.

460
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: You've got kind of this this forensic tie back. You know,

461
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: that's a very specific ammunition, and yeah, a lot of

462
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: people have it. I think twenty two caliber is one

463
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: of the most popular types of ammunition is out there.

464
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: People use it for varmint hunting. You know, it's a

465
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: very small caliber. It's probably the smallest. Now I know

466
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: there are people out there and say, well, it's not smallest.

467
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: There's yeah, there's these other kind of off the beaten

468
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: path MMOs that are out there, but I'm talking about

469
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: something that is widely sold. When you know we've gone

470
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: through ammunition shortages in this country, one of the things

471
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: that goes off the shelf first is twenty two caliber ammunition.

472
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: And it's because it's a smaller caliber people can keep

473
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: it around. They use it for varmant hunting, they use

474
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: it for what's referred to as plinking, which is just

475
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: target shooting out on property and that sort of thing.

476
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: A lot of people possess twenty two caliber weapons, whether

477
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: it be a pistol or whether it be a shoulder

478
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: fired arm. So just the fact that he had in

479
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: his pocket is not necessarily mean that he did the killing.

480
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: But then when you combine the fact that that she's

481
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: found with these rounds that had been pumped into her chest,

482
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: and that he had the same ammunition, and the fact

483
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: that when she was found deceased, she was actually found

484
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: in an area he had access to, wrapped in plastic

485
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: and tied up with balian wire. So here's the point

486
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: I want to make about these two murders, Joe. Given

487
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: the fact that prosecutors believed that Heather Frank's lured Sessions

488
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: to her apartment to make this murder happen. She was

489
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: part of it. Whether it was coerced by abuse doesn't

490
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: really matter. She was a part of it. So then

491
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: why was she killed? If she was a part of

492
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: this to begin with? Why did she have to die?

493
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: You know, I've had somebody else ask me that question

494
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 1: about this, because you know, you think about how some

495
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: people have put forth this idea that this toxic relationship

496
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: that these two had, and it lasted for seven years,

497
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: all right, and it was on again, off again, they'd

498
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: fight and carry on and whatnot. If she was so

499
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: afraid of him and she had lured Sessions to her apartment,

500
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: why would Eastman kill her? Because you would think that

501
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: he could control her, you know, just merely through fear.

502
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: I think that and some people put forth this theory

503
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: that after a time he realized that she could talk,

504
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: that she would be a source of information that would

505
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: tie him back in list. This is not just like

506
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, randomly bumping into a car when you're driving

507
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: down the road and you've got a passenger that witnesses it.

508
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: We're talking about bringing a man to your apartment. We're

509
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: talking about you being a witness to him literally ambushing

510
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: This man is a sweet, beloved man, and you're bearing

511
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: witness to him cutting his throat until he bleeds out

512
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: on the carpet. We're thinking about potentially her health helping him,

513
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: that is Eastman, remove Scott's body and helping to dispose

514
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: of it. All of those things in in his mind

515
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: at least are kind of connecting these dots, and he

516
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: has maybe a moment of lucidity where he says, look,

517
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: if if I don't get rid of her, she can

518
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: tie me back to to this murder, this this disposal,

519
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: and then my life is over with. So if I

520
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: remove her from the equation, even though I quote unquote

521
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: love her, I gotta get rid of her. I gotta

522
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: get rid of her, and I gotta do it right quick.

523
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: You know, when you get up there to this area

524
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: the country where these two horrific deaths took place, it's isolated,

525
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, it's you know, it's it's more like you're

526
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: not right in the middle of the Rockies. You can

527
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: probably see them in the distance in a couple of locations.

528
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: Ere we're tiking about layer me in Weld Counties, not

529
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: too far from Greeley and for Collins in that area

530
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: up in northern Colorado. What's absolutely shocking about this is

531
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: that this case, these two homicides, were so brutal and

532
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: so horrific, and it's so isolated. I had this kind

533
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: of moment of clarity when I'm going over these cases

534
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: to talk about them. I suddenly came to realization, Well,

535
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: County is actually where Chris Watts had killed his entire family.

536
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: What are the odds I think that he would have

537
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: These two completely unconnected events happened in such a rural,

538
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: isolated area that's, you know, by all accounts, a very

539
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: peaceful area. What they found out at the scenes though,

540
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: involving Sessions and in front, was absolutely horrific. We've seen

541
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: this over and over again, Joe on bodybags. People, I

542
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: think that it's easy to render down a body. Let's

543
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: just throw them in the fire. That's what happened to

544
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: sessions body. Yeah, you're right, it was and it rendered down,

545
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: and we're just talking about the lower Torso there was

546
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: still sufficient remain left behind that Scott's body was found,

547
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, still intact to the point where they could

548
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: do an assessment on his remains the upper torso and

549
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: they could assess the this injury to his neck, you

550
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: know that we talked about, and that was so horrific.

551
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: But also one other significant finding that kind of connects

552
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: these two deaths. Scott's body was found in Larrymye County

553
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: and then Frank's was found over in World County. Scott

554
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: had plastic melted to his face, and it can be

555
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: surmised that his body had in fact been wrapped in plastic,

556
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: and not only wrapped in plastic, but the same plastic

557
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: that was used to wrap up Heather Frank's body that

558
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: was intact. Her body was intact if she had been

559
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: shot multiple times, wrapped in plastic and then tied off

560
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: with with Baylen wire. But Scott had been placed into

561
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: this burn pit and his remains were burned. It was

562
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: an sufficient job. It was insufficient to the task. And

563
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: we hear that theme over and over and over again

564
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: in forensics, and I certainly talked about here on body bags.

565
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: And the individual that's doing this either loses the will

566
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: to continue on with what they're doing, they get distracted,

567
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: maybe they have to go to work. Maybe there they

568
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: don't have sufficient supplies in order to keep this up

569
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: because you know, when you're burning the body, you have

570
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: to keep this heat going and it's not something that

571
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: can be backed off of because you're in an open area,

572
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,959
Speaker 1: this is not a crematory. You're having to always stoke

573
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: the fire, turn the fire, and in since come in

574
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: contact constantly with the remain Can can anyone possibly imagine

575
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: what that's like. You're you're standing over a fire pit

576
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: that you have seemingly created, and you're applying fuel, you're

577
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: applying accelerant, you're turning the fire, and maybe all of

578
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: a sudden you have this kind of epiphanal moments like,

579
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm I'm actually burning another human beings

580
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: body here, and you just kind of walk away from

581
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: it for a moment. And in this particular case, when

582
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: the fire was not tended to properly, that's the moment,

583
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: you know, forensically, when you get a break, because that

584
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: means that all of the evidence hasn't been consumed by

585
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: the fire. You still have this gaping wound in the

586
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: neck where you can actually make the assessment that the

587
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: head was almost you know, separated from the body. And

588
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: also this plastic that is a tie back and We

589
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: look for tie backs and forensics all the time. Connectivity,

590
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: if you will, to send you that kind of holds

591
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: everything together. And this plastic that was found on Scott's

592
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: Session's body was also found wrapping Heather Frank's body. Investigators

593
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: are not just going to look at that and go, oh,

594
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: there's green plastic on both of these body. Must have

595
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: come from the same source. They're actually gonna set out

596
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: to prove that it came from the same source. How

597
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: do they do that? Yeah, that isn't that interesting. When

598
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: you begin to think about there's any number of ways

599
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: that like plastics sheeting like this can be tied back.

600
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: We think, first off, you have to do a general

601
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: overall classification, and again that's one of the things that's

602
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: done in forensic practice. You look at the plastic that

603
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: you have and they've they've termed this as construction grade plastic,

604
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: which means it's robust, and it also means that it

605
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: is unique. That this is not necessarily the kind of

606
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: plastic sheeting you're gonna have laying around in your garage. Okay,

607
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: it's not the same type of plastic you're gonna put

608
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: down in your garden. For instance, when people put down

609
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: a barrier of plastic in order to keep weeds from

610
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: from growing up through it. This is a very particular

611
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: type of plastic that has specific features. We begin to

612
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: think about the thickness of it, you know, how robust

613
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: is it? We think about color and what kind of

614
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: sources locally could you acquire this plastic from? Or where

615
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: is it being used? Did you go into a job

616
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: site to somebody go into a job site and steal

617
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: the plastic? Was the individual that was using this involved

618
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: in construction, which of course Eastman was, And then you know,

619
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: when you get into more of the DNSE forensics here,

620
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: these plastics have very specific chemical structures and if you

621
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: want to go this far with it, you can begin

622
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: to think about, well, if we've got plastics involved in

623
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: this case, are these two things chemically related molecularly? You

624
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: know it's the same composition that sort of thing, because

625
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: these things have a formula to them that are very

626
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: specific to that brand. You can also look if it's

627
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: perforated in any way. Forensic scientists that are involved in

628
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: trace evidence can actually match up perforations if it's torn away.

629
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: You can also think about how is it cut and

630
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: again that implies the use of a bladed instrument in

631
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: order to facilitate that. So there's any number of ways

632
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: that you can kind of tie this back, and they

633
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: were able to. The police were actually able to kind

634
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: of marry up, if you will, the plastic found melted

635
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: to Scott's face and that plastic that Heather Frank's body

636
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: was wrapped in. Let's talk one more piece of connectivity

637
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: that you're talking about. When Heather Frank's body was found,

638
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: it was found next to a woodpile. Not only was

639
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: it found next to a woodpile, there was a large

640
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: log there that was found smoldering. And I think that

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Speaker 1: one of the interesting we're talking about bodies being found.

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Speaker 1: If we'll go back to the discovery of Scott's body,

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Speaker 1: and Scott was missing. He had last talked to his

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Speaker 1: dad in the evening preceding these events, I think by

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Speaker 1: two days, and of course he didn't show up for

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Speaker 1: a gig. His body was actually discovered on the tent

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Speaker 1: I believe it was, and it was discovered by a

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Speaker 1: snowplow driver. And this is one of the coldest times

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Speaker 1: of the year up in Colorado, and so snow on

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Speaker 1: the ground snowplow drivers coming along and he sees these

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Speaker 1: human remains out there in the burned bit. But what

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Speaker 1: happened was, and this is kind of fascinating, as the

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Speaker 1: police began to put two and two together in this case,

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Speaker 1: they actually drew up warrants for the murder of Scott's session.

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Speaker 1: They drew up warrants for both Eastman and Heather Frank's

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Speaker 1: They wanted both of them for questioning in the disappearance

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Speaker 1: of Scott, and they went so far as to put

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Speaker 1: tracking devices on Scott's vehicle and on Heather Frank's vehicle.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that that occurred is that

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Speaker 1: they were able to track Eastman's location relative to Heather's body.

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Speaker 1: They knew that he had visited that area, and then

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Speaker 1: when they went out to conduct a search day being

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Speaker 1: the police, they discovered her remains. He was actually and

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Speaker 1: they get this, he was actually arrested at a local

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Speaker 1: filling station with a gas king. He was getting ready

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Speaker 1: to burn her body up and it was just adjacent

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Speaker 1: to this woodpile. There was even a large log they said,

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Speaker 1: that was out there that was smoldering. So he was prepping.

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Speaker 1: He was getting ready to attempt to render down the

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Speaker 1: body of this woman that he had been involved in

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Speaker 1: an intimate relationship with for over seven years. Kevin Eastman

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Speaker 1: was subsequently convicted and serving consecutive life sentences in Colorado

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Speaker 1: State penitention. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body

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