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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty, I'm strong

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Speaker 1: and Jay and he I'm strong and Getty.

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Speaker 2: We have fires almost almost three sixty around us here

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Speaker 2: are different properties just on fire for hours. These winds

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Speaker 2: definitely from when we first came here have picked up

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Speaker 2: a lot. It seems like this has been burning just

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Speaker 2: I think, I believe since last night. And so fire

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Speaker 2: writers trying to do their absolute best. But as far

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Speaker 2: as a reporter's perspective, out here, while we are safe

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Speaker 2: and we do have protective gear, it is very difficult,

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Speaker 2: very smoky out here, a lot of ash. You know,

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Speaker 2: we have protective gear to cover our eyes and our mouth,

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Speaker 2: but it is just impossible to be out here if

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Speaker 2: you do not have here.

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Speaker 1: That makes it tough.

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Speaker 3: Thirty thousand people evacuated their homes so far in the

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Speaker 3: LA area, starting yesterday morning and going all throughout the day,

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Speaker 3: in the night and expecting the one hundred mile an

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Speaker 1: Throughout the day.

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Speaker 3: It says there on Fox, as I look at the

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Speaker 3: TV screen with some giant mansion burning behind the guy,

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Speaker 3: I mean an enormous house that looks to be burning

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Speaker 3: to the ground.

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Speaker 1: That's quite a deal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know where Fox is getting that number.

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Speaker 4: The winds are very high and there are some extraordinary gusts. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: Joe downplaying the thread of the fire in La No.

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Speaker 4: Just the idea that they're one hundred mile for hour

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Speaker 4: winds all day is just I don't think that's so.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm not there with a measuring thing, but I've heard

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Speaker 3: it on like four different outlets so far today because

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Speaker 3: I know it's.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be very, very windy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So maybe you missed this during the two week break.

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Speaker 1: This was.

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Speaker 3: The moment that a whole bunch of MAGA people turned

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Speaker 3: on Elon, and from what I can tell from when

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Speaker 3: I dip into those circles, it has continued. And that's

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Speaker 3: an interesting thing, and it's all around the whole immigration thing.

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Speaker 3: As you know, Elon himself is an immigrant, came to

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Speaker 3: this country as a rocket engineer, and he has talked

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Speaker 3: at length about this and many many interviews and how

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Speaker 3: he came here because it's a land opportunity where he could,

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Speaker 3: you know, start a business and do its thing in

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Speaker 3: a way he can't anywhere else in the in the world,

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Speaker 3: and that's why the United States is the greatest country.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah. And the guy that's working

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Speaker 3: with him on Doge, vivivive Aramaswami, has got a very

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Speaker 3: similar story. Also became a billionaire. And when Trump was

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Speaker 3: talking about deporting people in the immigration situation and everything,

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Speaker 3: Elon was talking about how we need, you know, talent

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Speaker 3: here in the United States, so let's, you know, let's

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Speaker 3: come up with a way to make sure we have people.

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Speaker 3: And then there was a big pushback from some of

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Speaker 3: the MAGA crowd because they want they don't they want

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Speaker 3: to really restrict immigration a lot. So Vivek puts out

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Speaker 3: this tweet, this really really long tweet that I won't

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Speaker 1: But it came out, I don't know, two weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: The reason top tech companies often hire foreign born and

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Speaker 3: first generation engineers over native Americans isn't because of an

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Speaker 3: eight American IQ deficit, a lazy and wrong explanation. A

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Speaker 3: key part of it comes down to the C word culture.

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Speaker 3: Tough questions demand tough answers. And if we're really serious

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Speaker 3: about fixing the problem, we have to confront the truth.

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Speaker 3: Our American culture, I like him calling it our Our

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Speaker 3: American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long,

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Speaker 3: at least since the nineties and likely longer. That doesn't

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Speaker 3: start in college, it starts young. I gotta say before

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Speaker 3: I get back to Viveks, we've been talking about this

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Speaker 3: Don't don't know how at least that part of it

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Speaker 4: Right, and part of it's the whole equity crowd that

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Speaker 4: or disparate impact. If anybody does better than anyone else,

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Speaker 4: that's absolute, irrefutable evidence that somebody cheated or wronged somebody,

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Speaker 4: or there is racism afoot. And so that turned very

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Speaker 3: Back to Vivek, A culture that celebrates the prom queen

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Speaker 3: valedictorian will not produce the best engineers. A culture that venerates. Now,

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Speaker 3: you're not going to get all these references. I only

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Speaker 3: get some of them. A culture that venerates Corey from

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Speaker 3: family matters will not produce the best engineers. Fact, I

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Speaker 3: know multiple sets of immigrant parents in the nineties who

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Speaker 3: shows precisely because they promoted media I and their kids

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Speaker 3: went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates. Then he

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Speaker 3: mentions a couple more movies, TV shows and cartoons that

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Speaker 3: he doesn't think is good for our culture. We need

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Speaker 3: more weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons, more books,

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Speaker 3: less TV, more creating, less chillin', more extracurriculars, less hanging

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Speaker 3: out at the mall. Most normal American parents look skeptically

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Speaker 3: those kind of kids with scorn. If you grow up

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Speaker 3: aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve. Now

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Speaker 3: close your eyes and visualize which families you knew in

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Speaker 3: the nineties or even now, who raise their kids according

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Speaker 3: doesn't cut it in a hyper competitive global market for

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Speaker 3: technical talent, and if we pretend like it does, we'll

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Speaker 3: have our asses handed to us by China. This could

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Speaker 3: be our spotnik moment right for Vacan, then I will stop.

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Speaker 3: We've awakened from our slumber before and we can do

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Speaker 3: it again. Trump's election hopefully marks the beginning of a

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Speaker 3: new golden era in America, but only if our culture

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Speaker 3: fully wakes up, a culture that once again prioritizes achievement

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Speaker 3: over normalcy, excellence over mediocrity, nerdness over conformity, hard work

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Speaker 3: over laziness. Tremendous amount of pushback to that, I mean,

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Speaker 3: people went crazy interesting. I didn't really follow the pushback

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Speaker 3: over the criticizing of American culture that way. And then

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Speaker 3: it got into the H one B visas and all

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Speaker 3: the nitty gritty where it's very, very complicated, and I

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Speaker 3: don't know much about it, but we have had many

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Speaker 3: people tell this over the years whenever this topic has

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Speaker 4: And I remember it was about a decade ago there

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Speaker 4: That's whither so attractive. It's not that they're better or

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Speaker 3: Part of the agreement with the H one B thing

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Speaker 3: as you stay with your employer for a certain amount

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Speaker 3: so you know they don't have to give you raises

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Speaker 3: or whatever. Another advantage you can't quit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they all got tied together and just a

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Speaker 3: lot of people being butt hurt, I guess over American

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Speaker 1: It doesn't bother me. I think it's absolutely true.

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Speaker 3: I worry about it with my own kids, and and

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Speaker 3: I know plenty of my kids have friends who are

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Speaker 3: growing up with parents from other countries, and they are

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Speaker 3: and I am embarrassed by that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking about this in a different context, specifically

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Speaker 4: the Mark Zuckerberg Facebook fact checker censorship thing, and how

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Speaker 4: everything's either got to be entirely good or entirely bad.

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Speaker 4: I'm either for it or against it. In our politics

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Speaker 4: a lot too, there's very little recognition that everything is

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Speaker 4: a trade off. Everything in life practically and in this

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Speaker 4: deal in Vivex screed, there's a good deal of truth there,

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Speaker 4: a whole lot. Now, is that some sort of I

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Speaker 4: tech student. Well, no, of course, not take it with

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Speaker 4: a grain of salt. Seek the truth that's in his statement,

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Speaker 4: and the part you don't like you can toss, but

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Speaker 4: you don't have to hate him for saying it. I don't, Well,

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Speaker 4: everybody's so mad all the time.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any way of knowing how true that is.

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Speaker 3: I do know some people from Asian countries where it

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Speaker 3: is absolutely completely true. They've explained it to me on

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking about Europe probably Europe has its own problems

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Speaker 4: culturally speaking, certainly don't want to imitate them.

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Speaker 3: A high school in France. Are you better off being

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Speaker 3: Other countries I was mentioned were it's an academic thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to these things.

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Speaker 1: But.

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Speaker 4: It is odd that that's what we have gravitated toward.

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Speaker 4: And I wasn't familiar with some of those pop culture

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Speaker 1: But I tell you what does ring true, and it's

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Speaker 4: What rings true is the idea that in popular culture,

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Speaker 4: the quick witted, wise acre guy and I do it

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Speaker 4: for a living. So believe me, I'm not denigrating communication

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Speaker 4: ability or certainly leadership ability, the ability to draw people

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Speaker 4: around you, the ability to charisma. In short, it's not worthless.

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Speaker 4: But in popular culture that person is revered, and the

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Speaker 4: is an object of mockery. I don't know how much

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Speaker 4: that means, but it does mean something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it bothers me a lot. Like my son, my youngest,

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Speaker 3: we play chess a lot. He's pretty good at chess,

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Speaker 3: and I've been really pushing him.

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Speaker 4: It's actually not pronounced chess to Michael. There's no tea there,

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Speaker 4: and I've been pushing him to try to like get

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Speaker 3: And I happen to live in a town where they're

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Speaker 3: like chess coaches and stuff like that. And he said, dead,

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Speaker 1: Sure, right, Katie, did you have a thought?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Babylon b headline, guy who said Facebook was not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Love that.

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Speaker 4: So here's here's the deal. And lord knows, snark makes

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Speaker 4: There's more, and the more, I think is more important.

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Speaker 4: Because Mark Zuckerberg is a force for evil on the planet.

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Speaker 4: He is a monster. I have called him satan, I believe.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Watch The Social Dilemma, the twenty twenty documentary.

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Speaker 1: I beg of you. I still haven't seen it. It's

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Speaker 4: Michael, No, we allow free speech and talk radio anyway.

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Speaker 4: So watch that and understand how evil big tech is

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Speaker 4: We should have stopped anyway. So all of that snark

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Speaker 1: Lat That's a good point.

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Speaker 4: The government was trying to do an end run around

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Speaker 4: the First Amendment by strong arming guys like Zuckerberg, who again,

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Speaker 4: I got no love for Zuckerberg whatsoever, but I do

442
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Speaker 4: have a love for free speech and free enterprise, and

443
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Speaker 4: they were getting absolutely mobster style. It'd be a shame

444
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Speaker 4: of something happened to your social network. If you don't,

445
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Speaker 4: I don't know silence doctor Marty mckery. You don't silence

446
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Speaker 4: doctor Batticheria, who are saying, you know, I think young

447
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Speaker 4: strong people don't need the vaccine, you better silence them.

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Speaker 1: That's the really unholy part. You're right.

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Speaker 3: That would be the profile encourage that I'd like to

450
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Speaker 3: see out of Mark Zuckerberg. He come forward and say, Hey,

451
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Speaker 3: the reason we did what we did about not allowing

452
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Speaker 3: people to discuss Hey, kind of weird that the virus

453
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Speaker 3: came out of uh wuhan right next to the lab.

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Speaker 1: Kind of weird. Huh.

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Speaker 3: The fact that we wouldn't allow that conversation is because

456
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Speaker 3: the Biden administration hinted strongly they were going to ruin

457
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Speaker 3: us if we allowed that kind of talk.

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Speaker 4: God, I wish he would say that out loud. That'd

459
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Speaker 4: be fantastic. And you know, I could give you a

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Speaker 4: long list. I'll touch on a couple of things. JOHNS

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Speaker 4: hopkinsurgon Marty mckery was talking about the pace at which

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Speaker 4: Americans would develop her community that was flagged taken down.

463
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Speaker 4: They targeted the Wall Street Journal's review of a book

464
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Speaker 4: by a guy who's a climate contrarian and like suppressed

465
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Speaker 4: that you couldn't even hear the review of that guy's

466
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Speaker 4: opinion because of the progressive censorship by proxy. And that's

467
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Speaker 4: the really really ugly part of it to me. So

468
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Speaker 4: and actually interestingly, Zuckerberg prior to that said some great

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Speaker 4: stuff about free speech. I mean, like he stole it

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Speaker 4: out of my mouth. And again, I'm not a fan

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Speaker 4: of the guy at or all. Don't think he's particularly smart.

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Speaker 4: That's been my take for a very very long time.

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Speaker 4: I think he's probably a great computer programmer and that

474
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Speaker 4: sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think he's that smart guy. I don't

476
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Speaker 1: think he.

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Speaker 3: Understands the big issues on a lot of this stuff,

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Speaker 3: or cares he cares.

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Speaker 1: I think this possible. I've always felt he kind of

480
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Speaker 1: got lucky. Oh hell, yes he did. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: If you build a this is how we're gonna get

482
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Speaker 3: laid app college and it turns into what Facebook is,

483
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Speaker 3: that's an accident.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I wouldn't I wouldn't go that far to

485
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Speaker 4: underestimate the guy. To assemble a great team and help

486
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Speaker 4: it function is a gift.

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Speaker 3: Okay, maybe this is the wrong word. I know a

488
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Speaker 3: bunch of very successful business people. They have no knowledge

489
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Speaker 3: about issues like free speech and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: Zero.

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Speaker 3: I know so many really successful business guys that have

492
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Speaker 3: never read a.

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Speaker 1: Book and are proud of it.

494
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Speaker 3: I know a handful of millionaires who are proud of

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Speaker 3: the fact that they've never read a book. They've got

496
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Speaker 3: one of our talent that is about business, but they

497
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Speaker 3: just have no like And I don't know what word

498
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Speaker 3: you should use, smart, knowledgeable, wise, I don't know what

499
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Speaker 3: it is, but yeah, it's broad ranging knowledge.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that characteriziction, the characterization of him. I will sign

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Speaker 4: on to Here's the part I wanted to get to. Oh,

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Speaker 4: this is still the Is that still the editorial? Yeah,

503
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Speaker 4: which is excellent. In the Wall Street Journal, the editorial

504
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Speaker 4: board is saying all the right things, and they go

505
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Speaker 4: into detail how the so called fact checking became a

506
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 4: tool to censor it was just a way to get

507
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Speaker 4: your preferred political outcome. Is completely funny. But so it's

508
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Speaker 4: funny because often the editorial board and a paper is,

509
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Speaker 4: you know, there's a high wall between them and the reporters,

510
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Speaker 4: at least when papers function the way they're supposed to.

511
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Speaker 4: But I'm looking at the Wall Street Journal's coverage of

512
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Speaker 4: the story and they go through the fact but then

513
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Speaker 4: who are these I would like to personally it's a

514
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Speaker 4: list of journalists who worked on this piece. But they

515
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Speaker 4: quote all sorts of different people in this story about

516
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Speaker 4: whether there's a good move or a bad move. And

517
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Speaker 4: then they quote Alex Mahedeven, who's director of Media Wize,

518
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Speaker 4: a digital media literacy project at the Points Are Institute.

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Speaker 1: Hang on, I'll reveal something in a moment, he says.

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Speaker 4: The generalists say, researchers say the program has shortcomings and

521
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Speaker 4: should not report professional fact checkers. Notes take time to appear,

522
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. And this guy says, since it's based

523
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Speaker 4: on finding consensus, it can't work at scale. This is

524
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Speaker 4: the guy who runs the outfit that runs PolitiFact, a

525
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Speaker 4: fact checking website quote unquote that is one of Meta's partners.

526
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Speaker 4: There could be no more divorce from fact partisan hack

527
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Speaker 4: outfit in the world than PolitiFact. The idea that the

528
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Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal is quoting of his experts quote unquote

529
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Speaker 4: is hilarious, Well.

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Speaker 3: Fact check the term professional fact checker is hilarious. How

531
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Speaker 3: do you say that with the straight face? M Okay,

532
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Speaker 3: who's paying you to do this? And what are their

533
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Speaker 3: wants and needs?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Exactly you've got a child's perception of what fact is

536
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Speaker 4: and is not, particularly when you're talking about controversial issues.

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Speaker 4: That's the whole point is different people are sure they

538
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Speaker 4: know different things from the other people. Anyway, I found

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Speaker 4: this so interesting, and this is the perfect time to

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Speaker 4: drop this in because the Wall Street Journal, which is

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Speaker 4: my favorite big paper publication website these days, along with

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Speaker 4: the Free Press and a couple of others, but among

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Speaker 4: your traditional outlets, I should say Wall Street Journal is

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Speaker 4: my favorite. Quoting quote unquote experts. I'd come across this earlier.

545
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Speaker 4: It's it's uh, and I'll just briefly summarize it. This

546
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Speaker 4: story and Twitter thread makes the point that so called

547
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Speaker 4: experts are drawn wildly disproportionately, not entirely, but mostly from academia.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And they make the point that, for instance, in we're

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Speaker 4: talking about communications now right and on you know, well,

551
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Speaker 4: communications in short, one hundred percent of professors and communications

552
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Speaker 4: that were polled, and they polled thousands of professors were

553
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Speaker 4: Democrats one hundred percent in communications. Likewise, in anthropology, in

554
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Speaker 4: real life religion, it's just under ninety nine percent.

555
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Speaker 1: I could keep going.

556
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Speaker 4: Sociology is ninety eight percent not surprisingly music theatre classics

557
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Speaker 4: ninety six and a half percent Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we did this a couple of weeks ago. I

559
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Speaker 3: think you were out for an hour and I did

560
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Speaker 3: this topic. But it is everybody should know this, right,

561
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Speaker 3: It's obvious once you hear it. But of course all

562
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Speaker 3: of the views you hear are left leaning when they

563
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Speaker 3: go to the expert. When you look at who's an expert,

564
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Speaker 3: and the fact that they're in some cases, as you

565
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Speaker 3: pointed out, one hundred percent one direction politically.

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Speaker 4: And as I'm sure you pointed out, you've got to

567
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Speaker 4: get down to engineering to get to a modest Sixty

568
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Speaker 4: two percent of the professors are Democrats. So if you

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Speaker 4: ever hear a quote unquote expert quoted, the chances are

570
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Speaker 4: overwhelming they're going to be a lefty man.

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Speaker 3: That'll change my perception of that for the rest of

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Speaker 3: my life. It's obvious in that Dan wall Street Journal Arm. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I had never thought of it before. Speaking of experts,

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Speaker 3: how are you doing on your diet? We're eight days

575
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Speaker 3: into the new year. Uh, experts say the four signs

576
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Speaker 3: that you're not gonna make it. You're gonna fail on

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Speaker 3: your diet. Oh, I thought you meant not gonna make

578
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Speaker 3: it at all. No, you're gonna fail, and you've got

579
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Speaker 3: to get my affairs in order. Here are the key

580
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Speaker 3: the key things to watch out for us. We'll have

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Speaker 3: that coming up. I was just watching a video of

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Speaker 3: them loading seniors onto buses at the Senior center that

583
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Speaker 3: burnt down in Pasadena. Uh, with the flames, you know,

584
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Speaker 3: coming down the hill really fast. Wow, that had to

585
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Speaker 3: be a pressure situation. Wouldn't be easy to do to

586
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Speaker 3: move people in that age group either. The most common

587
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Speaker 3: New Year's resolution is to either eat better, exercise more.

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Speaker 3: Combination of those two things generally lose weight, get tracked together,

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Speaker 3: that sort of thing. And I saw this thing in

590
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Speaker 3: the New York Post, red flag for you know, the

591
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: fact that you're going to fail, And I thought this

592
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Speaker 3: would probably be kind of jivy and stupid. It's actually

593
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Speaker 3: pretty good. It's the sort of stuff we've been saying

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Speaker 3: for a long time. It's like more common sense than

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Speaker 3: anything else. It says here eighty percent of people fail

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Speaker 3: in their New Year's resolutions. I don't know if that's

597
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Speaker 3: true or not. Probably close to right.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that says, if there is one

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Speaker 3: pill or ingredient or something like that that you're using

601
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Speaker 3: to change everything that's probably not gonna work. Doing sense,

602
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Speaker 3: take a look of whether or not you have time

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Speaker 3: to do what you're planning to do. Like how you

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Speaker 3: know you're going to start going to the gym or

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Speaker 3: running or whatever it is you're going to do.

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Speaker 1: Do you have free time? Now?

607
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Speaker 3: If you don't, then you got to pick something specific

608
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Speaker 3: that you're going to eliminate to allow time, which is obvious,

609
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Speaker 3: but maybe you don't think about that.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, I don't have time, which is why I'm

611
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Speaker 4: taking massive doses of turmeric. It's all about turmeric bills.

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Speaker 1: But it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: If you're already like busy every single day and now

614
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Speaker 3: you're gonna start going to the gym, there isn't gonna

615
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Speaker 3: be magically another hour added to the day.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to cut something out.

617
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, which strewing around wasting time.

618
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Speaker 1: Watching TV pretty damned obvious. Get down to business.

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Speaker 3: Also said, uh, and we've talked about this for years.

620
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Speaker 3: You got to kind of ease into modest expectations as

621
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Speaker 3: opposed to you know, I'm gonna lose fifty pounds by

622
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Speaker 3: by January twentieth, I'm gonna start working out an hour

623
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Speaker 3: and a half every single day. Oh my god, nobody's

624
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: gonna change your life that drastically.

625
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Speaker 1: Nobody. He's into it gradually.

626
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Speaker 3: I thought that was a good idea, but that that

627
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Speaker 3: time of thing really struck me as.

628
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Speaker 1: So incredibly obvious. But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: At least, it's something I've never thought about many times.

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Speaker 3: If I'm gonna start anything like my playing the piano, Okay,

631
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Speaker 3: how much do you want to practice? You're already busy.

632
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Speaker 3: What's gonna give to allow this to happen?

633
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Speaker 1: All right?

634
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Speaker 3: Whether it's watching less TV, sleeping less, I don't know, eliminated, Yeah,

635
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But it's got to come from somewhere.

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Speaker 4: Right and at some point you although actually I was

638
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Speaker 4: going to say, you have to rest your brain in

639
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Speaker 4: your body, although I think most of us get plenty

640
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Speaker 4: of rest for our bodies, and if you're working out,

641
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Speaker 4: that is.

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Speaker 1: A good rest for your brain.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know this speaking and working out.

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Speaker 3: I had the classic trying to quit a gym thing

645
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Speaker 3: happen over the last couple of weeks. We had a

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Speaker 3: gym that we started like, well, it was the last July.

647
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Speaker 3: I happened to know exactly because they claim I signed

648
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Speaker 3: up for a year, even though I know I didn't.

649
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Speaker 3: And the hardest thing to do in the world, everybody knows,

650
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Speaker 3: is quit a gym. They've come up with all kinds

651
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: of different ways to make sure you can't quit and

652
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Speaker 3: they can keep you around. And I went to quit

653
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Speaker 3: this gym. I went into the first of all, they

654
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Speaker 3: said you have to come in to do it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's funny.

656
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Speaker 3: I could sign up on the phone, but to quit,

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Speaker 3: I have to come in. So I drive to where

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Speaker 3: it is, fill out the papers, all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Then credit card thing shows up in my email. I

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Speaker 3: got billed again for another month. I called them up

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Speaker 3: and they said, well, we have you here that you

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Speaker 3: signed up for a year. No I didn't. I would

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Speaker 3: have never signed up for a year. There's no way

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Speaker 3: I knew I wasn't gonna be there for a year.

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Speaker 3: There's no way I signed up for a year. Well,

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Speaker 3: we have you down is signing up for a year? Well,

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Speaker 3: whoever was there when I came in, Let me quit.

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Speaker 3: They said I could quit, and I signed a piece

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Speaker 3: of paper. Oh, we don't have any record of that.

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Speaker 3: Here's the number you call for the main office, and

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Speaker 3: it's a big national compan Same thing happened to me

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Speaker 3: yesterday with a coffee company.

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Speaker 1: And I won't mention the name because I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be sued.

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Speaker 3: But they I was on there automatic send me the

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Speaker 3: pods thing, and I decided I didn't want those anymore

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Speaker 3: and I quit it. And then I got sent more

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Speaker 3: pods and I contacted them and they said, well, it.

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Speaker 1: Takes forty five days for that to go through. It's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I can sign up immediately to spend money and get pods,

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Speaker 3: but if I want to star send them out the

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Speaker 3: next day. The fine print is it takes forty five

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Speaker 3: days to process your ending your commitment.

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Speaker 1: How do you like that?

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Speaker 4: How sad is clearly what it is. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 4: everybody knows what's going on there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll let you. I tell you what. We'll let

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Speaker 1: you quit without argument. You take one more shipment, that's

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Speaker 1: what they're saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we can get We know we can get

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Speaker 3: one more shipment out of everybody this way, and so

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Speaker 3: we do.

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Speaker 4: Now the health club is saying, you're gonna burn a

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Speaker 4: thousand calories to get out of this deal.

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Speaker 1: We're doing you a favor.

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