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Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky

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Speaker 1: and yooky. I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, he I ghosted.

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Speaker 1: I gos nandas Pllease hey boo, it's me Roz and

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Speaker 1: welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I

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Speaker 1: talk to people I like about all things that go

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Speaker 1: bump in the night. And this episode is Bump and' honey.

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Speaker 1: I am joined by one of my favorite podcasters, Lacey Moseley,

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Speaker 1: also known as the Scam Goddess, and she is constantly

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Speaker 1: on television. You might see her on Lopez Versus Lopez

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Speaker 1: or I don't know, I Carly. She's all over the

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Speaker 1: place and she's hilarious too, and she's got some pretty

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Speaker 1: good stories. But before we get to that, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to read a story from one of you, the listeners.

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Speaker 1: This was submitted to me by Jake nineteen thirty one.

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Speaker 1: Jake nineteen thirty one put this in a five star

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Speaker 1: review on Apple Podcasts. Oh A great place to leave

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Speaker 1: a ghost story. Jake nineteen thirty one writes, I've loved

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Speaker 1: this show for years, always have, and I have a

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Speaker 1: ghost experience. My partner just got back from a business

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Speaker 1: trip in Pennsylvania. He stayed at the Joseph Ambler Inn.

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Speaker 1: Said it was nice but also creepy. Midweek, he was

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Speaker 1: the only guest in the building. Terrifying in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the night, he heard heavy footsteps going up and

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Speaker 1: then fell to hand, pushing on the top of his pillow.

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Speaker 1: He leapt from the bed and turned on the light,

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Speaker 1: expecting to see a hole in the wall. It was solid.

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Speaker 1: There was no sleep the rest of the night. What

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Speaker 1: the fuck? I don't like when I hear stuff like

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Speaker 1: this because it gives me new things to be terrified

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Speaker 1: of in my mind. For some reason, A door stops

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Speaker 1: a ghost, Okay, there's a ghost in that room, and

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Speaker 1: I go into the bathroom and I lock the door.

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Speaker 1: The ghost can't come through. But now I'm hearing a

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Speaker 1: ghost sticking its arm through a hole. No, I don't

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Speaker 1: like that. It reminds me of like Halloween Carnival, like

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Speaker 1: it's like peeled grapes or whatever. I don't I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna be your spaghetti brain's ghost. All right, let's get

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Speaker 1: to Lacey Mosey on with the show. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe this. I am joined by one of

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Speaker 1: my absolute favorite podcasters, Lacey Moseley. Scam goddess, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I am doing all right? I'm gonna give you my

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Speaker 3: best ras. I was telling you before we started the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I went to a premiere last night and we got lit.

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Speaker 3: It was me and my manager, my sister and one

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Speaker 1: What was the premiere.

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Speaker 2: It's this movie I did it with Netflix called The Outlaws.

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Speaker 3: Oo's Madison, like Adam Sandler's Company, and like it's very fun.

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Speaker 3: It's like Pierce Bras and Ellen Barkin and Adam Devine

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Speaker 3: and a little Rell and like it's it's so much fun.

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Speaker 3: Lauren Lapkins like we had we had a good time.

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Speaker 3: So I watched it in theaters and it was the

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Speaker 3: and they're like pulling away the step and repeat, and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, can I get a picture with my mom?

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Speaker 2: Just one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, we gonna put our flash on. Don't worry, Maddie,

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Speaker 1: we got movies star.

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Speaker 3: Oh goodness, it was fun. It was really it was

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Speaker 3: life affirming, So you know that was great. I'm a

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Speaker 1: You know what. I don't drink anymore, but like, if

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna stop. I think it's time for me to

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Speaker 3: hang it up. I turned thirty and my body was like,

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Speaker 1: But I think that sometimes, like those next days, that's

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Speaker 1: The giving a fuck is like lowered, which.

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Speaker 2: On the opposite, I start giving more folks.

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Speaker 1: Really, yes, I'm like, were you weird?

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Speaker 1: Were you doing jello shots off of Pierce Brosnan?

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Speaker 2: Should have been?

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Speaker 3: He's so beautiful, so sexy, beautiful, uh wow, and so

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Speaker 1: Really, I didn't even I never thought about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, this like hungover state of mind. I think

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say that I do feel more connected

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Speaker 1: We're always focused on so many stupid little things in

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I think if you're sick, I mean definitely,

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Speaker 1: SA like I don't know whatever. That's why kids see

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Speaker 1: making any sense? I feel like, yo, you are.

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Speaker 3: Because I feel like, especially with black people, we always

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Speaker 3: what we always say. So I definitely agree with that.

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Speaker 1: So do you truly believe in not like the reincarnation

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Speaker 3: I just hope I do good enough in life that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what if you ended up at SeaWorld honestly

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Speaker 3: Okay, in captivity. But as a millennial, I'm used to that.

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Speaker 3: Like we don't own houses, we have smaller apartments. I

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Speaker 3: And I love performing on my ham so y'all thought

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Speaker 3: do the free Willie on y'all. I got you, Okay,

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Speaker 3: what time for the shows three and seven?

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Speaker 2: I'll be there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, where are you gonna pay me in some salmon?

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Speaker 2: Listen, y'all go feed it to my mouth. As long

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Speaker 1: Nice, I don't even have to catch it. It's already dad, Right,

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Speaker 3: I know that I'm from Texas, so I've been to

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Speaker 3: Sea World, you know, the splash zone, which why you

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Speaker 2: Water thrown on you.

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Speaker 3: But it was like a thing that people want it.

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Speaker 2: I would give them a show. It was like a

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Wow, Lacey, tell me about your experiences

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Speaker 1: with the paranormal. Are you pretty open to the idea

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Speaker 3: I do a podcast about scams, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: Like you think of keeping yourself safe by.

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Speaker 3: Learning all these rules, when really it's like once you

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Speaker 3: I really believe that, like anything and everything can exist.

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Speaker 3: And also I'm a gamb so I don't know what's

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Speaker 3: guy a la machala is shala, you know, shalom, Like

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Speaker 1: It is, That's how I am. I do it like

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Speaker 1: Rue Paul, I'm like May the best woman when yeah,

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Speaker 3: Listen, Ross, you don't know yet, but yeah, no Tarot Texas.

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Speaker 2: But I was born on land that was stolen from

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Speaker 3: My grandmother was a sharecropper and my great grandmother like slavery,

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Speaker 1: Good for her, He's gonna be running that town one day.

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Speaker 1: God, it's so strange, like especially with social media. During

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Speaker 1: there's still like my friend on Facebook, Like I had

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's where all of our loved ones are who

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Speaker 2: It's like it's because of Craig, the one you hate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they like open up the chat line, anybody that

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Speaker 2: They're like this yr from third grade. I don't want

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Speaker 1: Yeah seriously, Well, since I am talking to the scam goddess,

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Speaker 3: But is it fake if you walk away feeling good

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, if I go to a psychic and

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Speaker 3: I think that's really like sweet, Like it's the same

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Speaker 2: They run around the church. And it took me a while,

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Speaker 3: All that running around and shitshall was doing like you

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Speaker 3: in your life as long as you feel good about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it does sound good to me.

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Speaker 1: It works for me. There's times I'll go to a

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Speaker 2: You had breath in your body rise. So something good

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Speaker 2: it been that we call me now?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love miss Cleo.

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00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: I do too.

437
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 1: So let me tell you a story. This is actually

438
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 1: a famous one. Ooh, it's the story of the Fox Sisters.

439
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 1: Do you know about them?

440
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,479
Speaker 2: I think I just profiled them.

441
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 1: Are you serious?

442
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 2: Are they the ones who do the clicks?

443
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 1: Son up a bit. I was sitting here like Lacey

444
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: has had to have done the Fox Sisters before.

445
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: I recently did those, So this is exciting.

446
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: Guess when did this? When did it already come out?

447
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 3: It hasn't come out yet. We begged pretty far ahead,

448
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 3: but I recently did it.

449
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 1: Now this is some psychic shit right here. Yes, because

450
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 1: I googled scam goddess Fox Sisters, I went to the

451
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 1: podcast apps. Nothing came up.

452
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: I recently did it. Yes, don't look like that.

453
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about it anyway. Yes, this is so funny. Okay,

454
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: So this is the famous Fox Sisters. And I got

455
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 1: most of this info from a Smithsonian magazine article titled

456
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: The Fox Sisters and The Rap on Spiritualism by Karen

457
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: Abbott in twenty twelve. So this story took place in Hydesville,

458
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: New York, March of eighteen forty eight. There's fourteen year

459
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: old Maggie eleven year old Kate. They go over to

460
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: their neighbor's house one day and they're like, girl, you

461
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 1: are not gonna believe this shit. We are hearing some

462
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: bucking sounds on our furniture and our walls, and it's

463
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: communicating with us. I'm paraphrasing, by the way, And the

464
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: neighbors like, yeah, you're right. I actually don't believe because

465
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: I mean they're teenage girls. Yeah, I don't know what

466
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: they would be lying about. In the eighteen.

467
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 3: Hundreds, you can lie about anything. Back then, there was

468
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: no Google. You could do it every wanted.

469
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: That's true. I'm sure their neighbors like, oh, is this

470
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: like the time you said Charles Dickens wrote a book

471
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: about you.

472
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 2: Here you go again, Oh, Charles, Yeah, no, I love that.

473
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: I wish like if I had to be born in

474
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 2: the past, because people always want to be like, oh,

475
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: where would you travel to it? I'm black.

476
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 3: I want to go to the future where hopefully things

477
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 3: get better but if I did go to the past,

478
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: it would be a time when there was no computer,

479
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 3: so I could just straight up a lot of people

480
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: about everything like oh, oh.

481
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: My god, who go check me boo?

482
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 2: Who?

483
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: Well? I keep saying that about some of these more

484
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: historic paranormal incidents where it's like some of that had

485
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: to play into this, like the fact that there wasn't

486
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: as much googling and debunking and people just told some

487
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: ghost story about their haunted house and then we were like, okay,

488
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: I guess so.

489
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 3: Right, And it was entertaining at the very least, like

490
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 3: y'all don't have TV, y'alla have radio. Like it's like, yeah,

491
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 3: let's go over to a seas it's cute, like on

492
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 3: a Friday night exactly.

493
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: So these girls they invite the neighbor over. They're like,

494
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna show you what we're talking about, and so

495
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: they join their mom. They demonstrate. The mom's like count

496
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: to five, and then all of a sudden, they hear

497
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: five thuds and then she's like, Okay, how old is

498
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: this neighbor that came over? And then it thuds thirty

499
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: five times, So then she's like, if you're injured, do

500
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: it three times, and then they hear three thuds, which

501
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: I don't know what is this the chat chaw slide

502
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: like straight up giving it instructions, but it sounds like

503
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty you know, slid to the lip.

504
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: If you a ghost, do slad so the right. If

505
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: you're wit, do one hot to this time?

506
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: Two thuds this time.

507
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 2: Yes.

508
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: So the mom is now scared. She's like, you two girls,

509
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: get out of here. She sends them to live with

510
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: their sister, Leah and up state New York. And then

511
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: the mom leaves the house and.

512
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 2: The sister Leah she was giving Christian or energy. She

513
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 2: was like, yes, there's something here.

514
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: She's like, okay, we've got we've got a product that

515
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: we could start selling here. Well, there was a rumor

516
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: that was going around that there was somebody that was

517
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: peddling some goods that was murdered in the house five

518
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: years earlier. Some locals went over to the house. They

519
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: found hair and bone fragments in the basement. So this

520
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: story it's starting to people are, well, who hear about

521
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: these new girls. There's there's these two girls that are

522
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: making thuds happen. Like again, there's not much going on.

523
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: I guess I love that.

524
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: Back then, it's just like hair and bone fragments in

525
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 3: your basement, Like y'all not looking into like who's hair

526
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 3: or bone frag y'all don't.

527
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: They didn't have, you know, DNA and all of that

528
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: at the time. They're just like, Okay, I guess this

529
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: goes along with the story. Great got out.

530
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 2: Go down to the basic of some wash rays. They

531
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: right next to them hair and bones.

532
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I don't know what you do with that hair.

533
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: You put it in like one of those just leave it.

534
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: You just leave it in your house. You don't put

535
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: it outside and bury it nothing.

536
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: Just so, then there's this couple, Isaac and Amy Post.

537
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: They're interested in the girls. Now they had recently lost

538
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: a daughter. The girls communicate with the Post daughter, and

539
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: then this couple post daughter the Posts. The Post couple

540
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: like post life, No Isaac and Aby Post.

541
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so the Post's daughter. Okay, got it, I'm

542
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: with you.

543
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: So this couple ended up renting out a huge hole

544
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: for these these girls just because they're like, everybody needs

545
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: to come see their thumbs. Their thumbs, their thumbs. Yeah,

546
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: because everything's thumping and thudding, and so four hundred people

547
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: come out to see the girls, and afterwards were inspected

548
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: by skeptics who found no proof that it was a hoax.

549
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: Haters, skeptics, please get out of here. Haters.

550
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were like given each other high fives,

551
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: like as soon as it was over, they're like, yes, whatever,

552
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: we haven't gotten to the part if this is a

553
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: scam or not. So then there's this psychic type man

554
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: who was starting a religious movement called Spiritualism, which still

555
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: exists today. Involves a lot of communicating with the dad.

556
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: And his name was Andrew Jackson Davis.

557
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: Oh another last name?

558
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, because of course there was already an Andrew

559
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: Jackson in SAG, so he had to go by Andrew

560
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: Jackson Davis.

561
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: Right.

562
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: Have you seen a picture of Andrew Jackson Davis?

563
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: I have not. Wow, he looks like a Disney character,

564
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: like a Disney prince.

565
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't know that men had that

566
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: hairstyle in the eighteen hundreds. It's very early two thousand's.

567
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: Jimmy Nowshean is given got a blast.

568
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: Yes, like it's that Jimmy Newtron Ryan Sakraft Like they

569
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: able to call him a metrosexual in the early two thousands,

570
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: like it was that kind of flat iron like, I

571
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: don't know what he likes to get.

572
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: His nails done. He watches it between his crack.

573
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, metro sexual, yes exactly. Can you believe it? A

574
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: straight man that isn't letting his life go to shit?

575
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: Right?

576
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: Honestly, this picture, like it looks like he has highlights.

577
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: I think he is fine.

578
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 3: He looks like he smells good. And you know, at

579
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: that time, didn't nobody they wasn't really bathing like that.

580
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: So no, no, no, But Andrew Jackson Davis is fine.

581
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: I don't like that kind of beard, that like Amish

582
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: beard thing, but he just looks cute.

583
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: It's very like Abraham Lincoln chin Strap. Yeah, situation like

584
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: if Abe had trimmed his Yeah, it's very much chin Strap.

585
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

586
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: I'm not against it.

587
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: Also, though I know that this is a gender bias,

588
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: but I just don't think that sis heterosexual man can

589
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: speak with the dead.

590
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: I assumed he was a tro sexual. I don't know

591
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: much about his.

592
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: Is he on our team?

593
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure?

594
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: Is he gay?

595
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but you know he's put together real

596
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: nice here he.

597
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: Is, Yeah, he might be.

598
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: He is given like he works out Jim body like,

599
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: for sure, well, otter situation.

600
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he might.

601
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: He might be playing different, he might be moving different.

602
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: So maybe maybe he can't speak to the dead.

603
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: But I just like, I don't know. They don't teach sis.

604
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: Hepman enough empathy for me to think that they can

605
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 3: reach out to the spiritual world. They're barely getting by

606
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 3: on this planet.

607
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. Maybe it was in the

608
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds he had a whole circuit party on the

609
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: other side talking to these spirits.

610
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: It's like I had an orgy with your grandma. She says,

611
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: she misses you.

612
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: So he had predicted something a year before these girls

613
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: started getting traction, and he said, quote the spirits commune

614
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: with one another while one is in the body and

615
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: the other is in the higher spheres, all the world

616
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: will hail with delight the ushering in of that era

617
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: when the interiors of men will be opened and the

618
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: spiritual communication will be established. So that's what he said,

619
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: And then like a year later they start happening and

620
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, my fucking god, I'm a psychic.

621
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm Nostradamis.

622
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, I totally am a psychic after all.

623
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: So he's all excited about them. He invites them to

624
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: his home in New York City Hell's kitchen, I don't know.

625
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: And soon after the girls they have hit the road.

626
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: They start touring and they are selling out places. I mean,

627
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: they were a hot act at the time. And actually

628
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: one publication in New York wrote, quote, behold the Spiritual

629
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: Knockers of Rochester, which is what I say every time

630
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: I unhook my brawl. So they were due three shows

631
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: a day for one dollar a ticket.

632
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: Oh that's money, yes, a dollar back in that day

633
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: a ticket. Okay, this was like renaissance exactly.

634
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: And I'm sure people were posting, like since they didn't

635
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: have social media, they're probably posting up, you know, writing

636
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: a piece of paper somewhere and posting it somewhere.

637
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: Right, they were doing real fast drawings at the cuss.

638
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I got one free ticket tonight to the

639
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: Fox sisters. Like who's they're probably scalping?

640
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely someone else. I like, I got them tickets.

641
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: I got them Fox tickets, Yes.

642
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: To see these two teenage girls. So as you were saying, Leah,

643
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: their older sister was their almost mamager situation. So Maggie

644
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: ends up marrying a man named Alisha with a E.

645
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: He was Catholic, and he convinced her to denounce the

646
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: whole spirituality thing.

647
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: See that's why I said.

648
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he died and then she unfortunately became an alcoholic,

649
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: and that was kind of her story as this. As

650
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: this goes along, I have jumped way forward, by the way,

651
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: then Kate, she ends up eventually marrying a devout spiritualist

652
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: and she starts working on her other medium abilities. She

653
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: is communicating two messages simultaneously. She's writing one while speaking

654
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: the other. She's transcribing messages in reverse script. She's utilizing

655
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: blank cards, which words are all of a sudden spontaneously

656
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: appearing on Like she's really she's getting a full rounded

657
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: act here.

658
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

659
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: She was like the Oprah of ghosts. She was like,

660
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: totally get a haunting. You get a haunting exactly.

661
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: Yes.

662
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: So business is booming for her, and especially after the

663
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: Civil War. Again, this whole situation with apparently in the

664
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: eighteen eighties, it's estimated that eight million people converted you

665
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: spiritualism in the US and Europe. Wow, And it became

666
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: a lot for her Kate, and she begins drinking too,

667
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: because she's just like booked and busy, and there's spirit

668
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: is talking to her all the time, and she just

669
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: starts drinking a lot. So Maggie ends up getting paid

670
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: by a newspaper fifteen hundred dollars to do an interview

671
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: denouncing spirituality, and she has to get on stage and

672
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,239
Speaker 1: reveal that it's all a hoax, and she's mad at

673
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: her sister some suspect because her sister Leah the older one,

674
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: and some of these other leading spiritualists are talking shit

675
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: about Kate because she's an alcoholic. So she gets up

676
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: on stage and she says, Okay, here's how we did it.

677
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: We would tie an apple to a string and then

678
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: we'd pull the string, and that's how we made the thuds.

679
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: Then later we started cracking our knuckles and our joints

680
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: and our toes, and that's how we were making these sounds.

681
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: And then people's imaginations just sort of filled in the rest.

682
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: She did what those magicians did, like remember that show,

683
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: though it would be like magician secrets revealed, Yes, the

684
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 3: guy with the mask because he knew he was ashamed

685
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: to the community. You're not supposed to be out here

686
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 3: giving up the tricks totally. That's a covenant. She came out,

687
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 3: gave up the tricks for I think what fifteen hundred

688
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: dollars in that time was like fifty k in our money.

689
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: Holy shit.

690
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she gave it up for like a quick

691
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: fifty k and our money, and I think regretted it eventually.

692
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the spiritualists were pissed obviously, And a year

693
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: later she's like, okay, like I'm sure that fifteen hundred

694
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: dollars dried up. And she's like, you, guys, I didn't

695
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: mean to do like I'm sorry, like I actually am

696
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: like a psychic. And they were like girl, buy, like

697
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: we're done with you.

698
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: It was like I'm the problem. It's me.

699
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: Yes, hey, guys exactly. So she went on to expose

700
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: some other tricks, using your toes to write messages from

701
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: ghosts on the cards, which if you can do that,

702
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty that's a talent. That's something. I mean,

703
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: maybe it's not a ghost, but it's impressive. Like have

704
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: you ever see one of those people on like America's

705
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: Got Talent or something where they shoot a bow and

706
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: arrow with their feet? Yes, that's I'd pay to watch that.

707
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: I saw a woman light a cigarette with her foot

708
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: and then put her foot over her head and smoked it.

709
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: That was back when the circus was wild, Like what

710
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: am I doing here? I'm seven, Like that's impressive, But

711
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: also I was like, I want to smoke with my foot.

712
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: So basically, they're all dead by nineteen oh four, and

713
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: there's some kids that are living in that original house

714
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: and there's a skeleton that is found in the house.

715
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: Why everybody got skeletes in a house, y'all? Y'all supposed

716
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: to take the dad outside and put them away in

717
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 2: the dirt. Why is there men just like, well, leave

718
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: them down there next to the washrags.

719
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: But this is that same original house. So it's making

720
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: people go, oh my god, maybe this peddler's story is real.

721
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: Maybe there actually was somebody that was murdered there, and

722
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: maybe they were actually psychics the whole time. But it

723
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: ended up not being real. Apparently under further investigation, it

724
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: was made out of old chicken bones, and it was

725
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: rumored that some local practical joker had put it there

726
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: at some point.

727
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: I love a troll.

728
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 3: Also, I will say that the community around the Fox Sisters.

729
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: I found very interesting because there were a lot of copycats,

730
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 3: like you know, as soon as you do something, you

731
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: do your big one.

732
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: Here comes Sheen. So there were the she and psychics totally.

733
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: So when Homegirl came out and denounced the whole situation,

734
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: is said that it was fake. There was a lot

735
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: of backlash against her because people had set up their

736
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 3: own industry copycattingness and they're, no, you fucking.

737
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: Up our bag, what are you talking about? This is

738
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 2: definitely real.

739
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: So it's like even though she was, I think telling

740
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: the truth about the knocks and the toe cracking and like,

741
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: also what was going on with ch'all was like vitamin

742
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 3: D during that time. Why you're tost cracking like that?

743
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: What's going on? Is it ligaments? Like y'all need to

744
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: get y'all work out tenders out?

745
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially so young. I mean, right, I do notice

746
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: like weird cracks in my knees and hips sometimes, but

747
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: not when I was fourteen.

748
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 3: Right, I wasn't getting up. I didn't have to take

749
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: a deep breath before I got out of a chair

750
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 3: at fourteen.

751
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people were convinced that they actually

752
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: had abilities. And I do think it's something that you

753
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: can work on. I always said it's like singing. I

754
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: think everybody, for the most part, unless you know extraordinary

755
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: unfortunate circumstances or whatever, everyone can make a tone from

756
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: their voice. Some people are born just amazing at it.

757
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: Some people you have to take lessons whatever. I think

758
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: that we're all psychic in a sense, and you can

759
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: work on it. Some people are amazing at it when

760
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: they're born, so I could see maybe it started out

761
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: as something they were playing around with, but they got

762
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: better at it, and maybe they really did some good

763
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: psychic readings for people.

764
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: I also feel like when you do something that like

765
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: maybe they were passionate about it. Maybe it was something

766
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: that was fun for them in the beginning, like what

767
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: you said, Roz, and then when it becomes profitable, when

768
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 3: it becomes a machine, it loses a bit of its

769
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: heart and it's hard to like connect with it. You're

770
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 3: doing three shows a day, Babes, you talking to Casper

771
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: that much all day on the main line, Like, yeah,

772
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: you're gonna start to get fatigued.

773
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: I love acting, I love performing.

774
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 3: I love what I do, but I do it now

775
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 3: at a scale where it is for money in a

776
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: way that is sometimes absolutely so sucking and it's weird

777
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: to be like, I love this so much, but also

778
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 3: it's killing me. So I could get like starting something

779
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: for fun and running over to your neighbor's house and

780
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: being like, look, what are we doing? And then once

781
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 3: Chris Jenner steps in, big says christ Jenner, and was like,

782
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 3: get y'all, get y'all asses out there on that stroll,

783
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: and y'all y'all do psychicisms three shows a day, one

784
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 3: dollar ticket, you know, like then it becomes something different.

785
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 3: So but I do think that you're absolutely right that

786
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: we all can kind of tap into the spiritual realm.

787
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 3: And I think some people call it intuition, and I

788
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: talk about it a lot in scams. It's like following

789
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: the feeling because a lot of times what's presented in

790
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: front of us with our eyes or whatever.

791
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: Like even in.

792
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: Religious you know, it's like walk by faith, not by sight.

793
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: They're telling you not to believe what you see. Like

794
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 3: that's not good. But like I feel like we all

795
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: have little hairs that stand up, or we all have

796
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: little weird feelings, and a lot of times we will

797
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 3: put that feeling away, like rely on what we see,

798
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: and I think you have to rely on both. So

799
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 3: if you don't feel right, walk away. There was a

800
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: time I remember this woman came up to me on

801
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: campus when I was going to pimp, and she was like,

802
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: gave me this hole. She was a scammer for sure,

803
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: but gave me this whole story of like her car

804
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: broke down, her mama in the hospital, she need gas

805
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: to pick up her child at daycare, and then go

806
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 3: see her mama in the hospital.

807
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: Too many steps, way too long of a story.

808
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 3: But something in my spirit was just like, I said,

809
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: I didn't have cash, and she was like, well, there's

810
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: an ATM right there, and something in my spirit was like,

811
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: let's just go to this ATM. I don't have a

812
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: lot of money, but I'll give you twenty bucks. And

813
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 3: for me, as a college student, that was a lot

814
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 3: of money. So I give her the money. And then

815
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 3: a week later I read in the police campus blotter

816
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 3: that she was approaching people on the street multiple times

817
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: and if you didn't give her money, she had a

818
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 3: brick at her purse and she would hit you over

819
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: the head with the brick in her purse. Oh my god, right,

820
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: I'm like twenty hours or a concussion. I made the

821
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: right choice. Yeah, but something in my spirit said, just

822
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: get this woman a little money so you can walk away.

823
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 3: And I wasn't afraid of her in the moment, but

824
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: something in my spirit was just like.

825
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta listen to it. I'm all about that intuition. Whatever.

826
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: If you're feeling weird, listen to yourself.

827
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: Leave trust yourself. We're taught so often not to trust ourselves,

828
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: especially in this country. We're taught that everything that we

829
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 3: want and that we need is manufactured by someone else.

830
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: It's the reason that I don't like sign up for

831
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: email lists for stores or things like that. And if

832
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: I do want to diskind of have a like spam

833
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: email y'all, get y'all a hot mail, Yahoo, AOL, honey,

834
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: and send all the spam there, because like, people will

835
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: try to convince you of what you need in life.

836
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: And I don't make purchases that aren't things that were

837
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: my idea. I don't like to be sold things. And

838
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 3: our country is always selling us stuff to the point

839
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: where we're insecure about our own feelings and our own

840
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: decisions a lot of times because we're constantly being told

841
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: what the thing is so we're like, oh, in this situation,

842
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 3: the social norms say that this is fine.

843
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: I don't feel like it's fine.

844
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: Internally, my nervous system is telling me something different, but

845
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ignore that because of what we've cultivated. So

846
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: I think that, like spirituality, especially like in discernment, I

847
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: feel like that's my ancestors guiding.

848
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: Me well in so much of it too. That insecurity,

849
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: I think goes along with people pleasing. Yeah, sometimes people

850
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: are too afraid to say yes or no or whatever,

851
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: even if their intuition is like I shouldn't be doing

852
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: this whatever. And that's what I've really worked on as

853
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: I've gotten older. I'm like, if I'm feeling weird, like

854
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to do whatever I can to just get

855
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: out of this.

856
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: I'm on the same phage with you. I think therapists

857
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: can also be kind of psychic.

858
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure, like if you have a good one.

859
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: And so that's something I've been working on in therapy

860
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: for three years.

861
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 3: Is like not being codependent, not feeling like if I

862
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: don't perform for people that they won't love me if

863
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: I don't perform, you know, like giving you money or

864
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: like going out of my way, breaking my boundaries, doing

865
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: things that I don't want to do because I want

866
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: to make you happy. Like I always thought that was

867
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: like a virtuous trait, and then I realized it's still

868
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: a form of selfishness. You're trying to control situations by

869
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: pleasing people people so that you feel safe, and where

870
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 3: does that come from? And then figure out where that

871
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: comes from and then figure out how to stop it.

872
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 3: And I think the other side of it is so beautiful,

873
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: ras of like I'm learning it now, of like accepting

874
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: help and also saying no and knowing that when I

875
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: say no, like sometimes people, you know, they'll try to

876
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 3: turn up on me because my boundaries have changed, But

877
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: then they come back around and I'm like, oh wow,

878
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 3: it's so much better on the other side of like

879
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: not putting myself in positions that I shouldn't be in

880
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: solely for someone else to like me, Like it's like,

881
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: if you really like me, you will respect my boundaries.

882
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: You'll still be there on the other side totally. One

883
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: more thing I was gonna say about the Fox sisters,

884
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: they probably were also dealing with an actual form of

885
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: actual impostor syndrome, Like they were probably like shit, we

886
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: made all this up, but we don't want to say

887
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: anything for a long time, right, And I can't imagine

888
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: what that would.

889
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: Be like, especially in that time, because like, it's bad

890
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 3: for women now, but back then it was even worse.

891
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: And there were men who would show up to their

892
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: shows and harass them. There were men who tried to

893
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: kidnap them. They were like, oh, these bitches getting a

894
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: dollar ticket. These are women? Yeah, well whaddagan things?

895
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 2: Women can't have things. We set it up that way.

896
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: So like they were dealing with the patriarchal aspect of

897
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 3: it as well, So the imposter syndrome of like knowing

898
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: you clicking yo vitamin D deficient as toes and there's

899
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: men after you, Like I'm sure.

900
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: That was a lie.

901
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: Yes, I think they're icons.

902
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: I do too.

903
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: I love the Fox Sisters. Okay, you want to hear

904
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: some ghost voices? Okay, yeah, it's time for EVP or

905
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: ev plice. Have you ever heard of an EVP?

906
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: No?

907
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: What's that?

908
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: Okay? EVP stands for Electronic voice phenomenal, So basically, it's

909
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: anytime somebody believes that they have captured a ghost speaking.

910
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: It could be they're just videoing something and they hear

911
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: a little whisper or whatever it is. It's believed it's

912
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: a ghost. You hear it a lot on ghost hunting

913
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: TV shows. And what I do is I go to

914
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: TikTok and YouTube. I got two of them for you.

915
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna listen to them, and I want you to

916
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: tell me what you think you hear, and then I'll

917
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: tell you what they believe it says.

918
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: I'm like nervous.

919
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be spooky, that's for sure. So this

920
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: first voice, okay, I found on TikTok somebody name at

921
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: Joshua Savelle and it's at Fort Gaines in Dauphin Island, Alabama.

922
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: What is this ghost saying? Okay, we're hearing some other noises.

923
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me get it one more time.

924
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: It's like no, no, no, no, oh no, I want

925
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: to go home.

926
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 2: Put it in my hole.

927
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: Put it in my hole.

928
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: That ghosts could be horny. Ghosts could be horny too. Okay,

929
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: I'm no Casper up there fucking like he was friendly

930
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: as heale, Like, Lacey, do ghosts have holes? That's what

931
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: I heard.

932
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: They're all whole.

933
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 2: Yes, put it in my hole.

934
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: Please, you hear it. You hear it, So that's not

935
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: what they thought it's said. What do they think it's

936
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: one of these options? Is it a act like you're

937
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: all that. Oh maybe it's like giving you a pep

938
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: talk empowering. Yeah, B don't get me upset. That's scary.

939
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't hear that.

940
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: I heard whole Is it C I don't want my

941
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: wall wet. I don't know what that could be about.

942
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: Or D who's your favorite bald Win maybe like the

943
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: Baldwin family, you know, Oh that would be Hilaria. Oh

944
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: my god, you've talked about Hilaria Baldwin on skim Listen.

945
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: She's fun.

946
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: Okay, So which one of these I'm gonna play it again?

947
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: Which one do you think they thought it was?

948
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: I think they thought it was I don't want my

949
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: wal wet.

950
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they thought it was. I don't want

951
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: my wal wet, which I'm sure could be viewed as

952
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: dirty in some way.

953
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: I want my walt. I need to stop, okay, see,

954
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 2: I need help.

955
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 3: I mean it's interesting because like you can't really there's

956
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: like slaps and stuff happening over top, so you can't

957
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,479
Speaker 3: really make out what it is, but it does sound

958
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: like a voice.

959
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: It sounds like.

960
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: Words, Yeah, you're just filming on your phone or whatever device,

961
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: and yeah, you're moving around whatever. And then you listen

962
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: back and you hear that and no one was talking.

963
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: That's spooky. Okay, here's another one. This is from shadow

964
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: Hunter's UK TV.

965
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: Ooh, can I also say before you play it, what

966
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: if it wasn't in English?

967
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: Like I think we assume ghosts in our country are

968
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: speaking our language, but what if they're not.

969
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, and I've seen some that are in

970
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: other languages for sure. I mean, this kind of a

971
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: thing can happen to any kind of ghost. But I

972
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess since my settings are in English,

973
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: I only get ones that are English.

974
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: Here's settings.

975
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So shadow Hunter's UKTV on YouTube they went

976
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: to an abandoned care home of some sort and they

977
00:48:53,239 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: found a voice saying this. Ooh, that one's more whispery.

978
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah that was scarier.

979
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: I'll play it again.

980
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: That ghost is fucking I'm sorry, I'm going sound so

981
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 3: morning like the ghost was like.

982
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, what is happening there? Kind of cinemax

983
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 2: ghosts come on out.

984
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's kind of hot. I'm not gonna lie.

985
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: It's kind of high. Ah so scary.

986
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: Well what do you think? Do you have a guest?

987
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: I heard? Oh god, that's what I heard. Oh god,

988
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: oh god, Yeah that's what I heard.

989
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: Okay, not not what shadow Hunters uk TV thought. Did

990
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: they think it was a oh crap, b ah look out?

991
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: See oh go out? Or d you want some cloud? Okay,

992
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: let's play it again, Ah go out? Yeah they thought

993
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: it was all go out, So I guess they believe

994
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: it was referring to their group of people that were

995
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: in their ghost hunting or whatever. And the ghost was like,

996
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: all go out. I'm horny and I need them alone time,

997
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: so go.

998
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 3: Ghosts don't want you to watch them masturbate, just like

999
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 3: we don't want ghosts to watch us masturbate.

1000
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 2: Like get out.

1001
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: You know, I can't say I've ever heard a story

1002
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: of somebody walking in on a ghost doing that, which

1003
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: is strange.

1004
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: Right, That's why she was like, oh go out, y'all

1005
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: get out of here.

1006
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they must really not want people to see that.

1007
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I hear stories of ghosts doing everything.

1008
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: I never hear stories of ghosts going to the bathroom

1009
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: doing that dirty act that you've described. Wow, I've never

1010
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: heard about that, but it's got to be out there.

1011
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 3: It's interesting to me too, like the places you're finding

1012
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 3: these things, like these boyeurs who are going in these

1013
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 3: paranormal spaces, because that could not be me, Like, I

1014
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: am not fucking with I go to Sinespi, I watch

1015
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 3: a movie with Day of People.

1016
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: I watch Me and Girls with the Day Girls.

1017
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: You know, oh, Hollywood Forever Cemetery.

1018
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, last summer. Like, I'll go watch a movie with

1019
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 3: the Day of People. But I'm not going in no

1020
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: haunted houses. I'm not doing none of that show. I'm

1021
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 3: not visiting the Titanic.

1022
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1023
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, I'm like I'm good. Y'all do what

1024
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 2: y'all doing?

1025
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel you on that, especially these like old

1026
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: abandoned like you could fall through the ground at any moment.

1027
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: Like that's not for me.

1028
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: It feels like you're going for a dinner party story,

1029
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: Like what's the best case scenario? You leave this dangerous

1030
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 3: situation and then you go to a party, you tell

1031
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: people about it, like you could.

1032
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: Just lie, and then you pull out a cigarette and

1033
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: you smoke it with your foot. Okay, let's do one

1034
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: last thing. I'm just gonna name a bunch of paranormal,

1035
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: unexplained phenomenon and I'm just curious if you have something

1036
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: that you think about when something comes up, maybe you

1037
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: have a story. I don't know, We'll just see what happens.

1038
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: Do you believe in Bigfoot?

1039
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: Yes?

1040
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: Really?

1041
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: Why?

1042
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 3: Because like it's all types of shit out here in

1043
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 3: nature that we haven't seen, and like I believe that

1044
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 3: people's eyes aren't lying to them. I like that we

1045
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: haven't caught Bigfoot though, because that means Bigfoot as smart

1046
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: as hell. Bigfoot was like, no, bitch, you're not catching me.

1047
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 3: I'm with a swamp monster. We having a good time.

1048
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a lot of respect for anyone

1049
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: that can pull that off for as long because I

1050
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: mean this is someone that did not ask for the

1051
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: publicity at all, Like somehow just became a star after

1052
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: just trying to walk.

1053
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 2: Through nature, chilling, having big feet.

1054
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: And then everyone's like we love you, we want you know,

1055
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: and it's like I did literally, I didn't ask for

1056
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: any of them. Like if I feel bad for it's

1057
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: like sometimes when you see like super famous people like

1058
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: their kids that did not ask to be famous. Yeah,

1059
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: the poor things.

1060
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: You're right, bigfoots and Neppo baby.

1061
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure Bigfoot there was an even bigger foot that

1062
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: gave birth. I mean, they didn't come out of nowhere,

1063
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: so I'm sure. I'm sure that they're They had a

1064
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: long lineage. I'm sure that we're on like our one

1065
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: hundredth Bigfoot at this point, right, just keeps going and going.

1066
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: This is Bigfoot, like Junior the Fourth.

1067
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, okay, what do you think about Ouiji boards?

1068
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: Ooh okay.

1069
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 3: I do think that it's people just moving the board

1070
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: around with their hand. It's like power of suggestion, like

1071
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 3: one person is the leader. We all have our hand

1072
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: on it, but someone's pulling it, but everybody's acting like

1073
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 3: nobody's pulling it.

1074
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: And I love that for us.

1075
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 3: It's like a group game and we all get to

1076
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: feel good about whatever cast we're talking about.

1077
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: Have you done that I have?

1078
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: Not Like I like hippie shit, like give me some

1079
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 3: sage any day, but like some occult shit.

1080
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to open up nothing. I'm good.

1081
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: But you just said that you think it's people moving things.

1082
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: I do, but still, look, that's my theory.

1083
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: We have opinions in life, just because I have an

1084
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 3: opinion or a theory doesn't mean I'm willing to test it. Okay,

1085
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: I'm not doing the scientific method. I'm not touching it.

1086
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 2: It could be real.

1087
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: I can relate because I'm like that with a lot

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00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: of this stuff, Like haunted dolls are something that I'm

1089
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: obsessed with that people sell on eBay, and I'm like,

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00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: I think it's bullshit. I will not buy one to

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00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: prove it. Not interested.

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Speaker 3: I was on a set once and we were in

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00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 3: a pawn shop and there was a haunted doll that

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00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 3: we all saw, we like took pictures of, and we

1095
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 3: were like, we stayed away from that beach. Like, I

1096
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: don't know what's going on with you, Annie or whatever

1097
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 3: your name.

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00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: Is, but no, thank you.

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00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: What was the story of this.

1100
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: I was shooting Florida.

1101
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: Girls and we were in Savannah, Georgia, so we shot

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00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: at a lot of weird places. It was like a

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00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 3: weird time because like in Savannah, like when you're shooting

1104
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 3: in Georgia, like they have different like laws about or

1105
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 3: not laws, but like rules about what you can do.

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00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: So like there was a person who was handling like

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00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: all the wild animals, like the alligator.

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00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: We worked with the raccoon, like all this shit right.

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00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: You worked with an alligator? Yes, I love how you

1110
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: say it, like my coats the alligator. What was the

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00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: alligator's name?

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00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: The alligator was difficult. No, I don't remember the alligator's name.

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00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: I've worked with a monkey, a ferret, like I've you

1114
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 3: name it, iguana's komodo, dragons, lots of animals for some reason.

1115
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm like Steve Irwin of actors. That's

1116
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 3: a high title act. I'm not gonna give myself that.

1117
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 3: I love you, Steve Irvan. I'll punch a sting ray

1118
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 3: any day. But it was a crazy place. But we

1119
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 3: went to a wild pawn shop that was a real

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00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 3: pond chop, and it was very freaky in there, and

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00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: there was a haunted doll that was staring at us

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00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 3: and the eyes were very much Mona Lisa following us around.

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Speaker 1: The room for sale.

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00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 3: I guess, y'all you just said they got them all eBay.

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00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 3: I guess I got him in the pond shop too.

1126
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 3: But I guess it's like, maybe you do some fucked

1127
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 3: up shit, Like maybe if you're like Elon Musk, like

1128
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 3: when you get reincarnated, you're in a haunted doll. I

1129
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: mean that could be you can't move, you can't leave,

1130
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 3: like you just have to sit there.

1131
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 1: It could be, Oh, that's scary. So do you believe

1132
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: that that's real? Like for real?

1133
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 2: I do. I think that things can be haunted.

1134
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 3: I think people have unfinished business, and that to me

1135
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 3: is like one of my favorite ghosts is the unfinished

1136
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 3: business ghost, because that's a petty ghost, like you could

1137
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 3: be going on up to glory and hanging out with

1138
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 3: your friends and family. They're like when you gonna come

1139
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 3: up to the glory and they're like, I got stuff

1140
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 3: to do down here, don't worry about it. Hold on

1141
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 3: booooo boo boo, bitch, just like hanging around making sure

1142
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 3: they stubb they toe, moving a table a little to

1143
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 3: the right so they trip.

1144
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: Like.

1145
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: I love that kind of ghost, petty.

1146
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: I think that there was a lot of haunted dolls

1147
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: that they all look up to Annabelle, like Annabelle is

1148
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: that girl? Yes? And I think that maybe this doll

1149
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: heard that there was some movie people coming to town

1150
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,479
Speaker 1: and they wanted this doll wanted to get in front

1151
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,919
Speaker 1: of you guys, in hopes that you could maybe write

1152
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: apart for her discovered. Yes, yeah, well, Lacey Mosley the

1153
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: scam Goddess, this has been truly a delight.

1154
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: Truly, I am.

1155
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: Such a fan of yours. And can you tell people

1156
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: where to find you and all that.

1157
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: Stuff so you can find me at d iv A

1158
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: l A C.

1159
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 3: I do have a Lacy on all platforms if you

1160
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 3: want to listen to my podcast about comedy and scam

1161
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: scam god his podcast.

1162
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, watch the Outlaws on.

1163
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 3: Netflix July seventh, so it should be out and yeah,

1164
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 3: I Carly streaming now in Paramount Plus.

1165
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: And so is the Lopez Versus Lopez Show on Peacock. Yeah,

1166
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: that's my things, My things, and.

1167
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: Listen to scam Goddess and then and your next life

1168
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: go to sea World and.

1169
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 3: Yes, because I'm gonna be a killer whale, y'all come,

1170
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do tricks. I'm gonna be the only killer

1171
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: Well for captivity, I'm like, it's nice over here.

1172
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: They bathed me.

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Speaker 1: All right. Well, thank you, Lacy, thank you, ros thank

1174
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: you so much to Lacey Moseley the scam got How

1175
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: crazy is it that she just did the Fox Sisters?

1176
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: Like I think that was beyond a coincidence. It was

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00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: all meant to be.

1178
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: It really was.

1179
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: And also another thing I didn't mention I was in

1180
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: my research I saw something about how actually one of

1181
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: the Fox sisters, I think it was Kate Fox, is

1182
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: the great great great great grandma of Megan Fox, and

1183
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: at one point she was dating Machine Gun, Kelly's great

1184
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: great great great grandfather. Must get Kelly. Hmmm. All right,

1185
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: legally I have to say that was not true, but

1186
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: made me laugh. Okay, I have been loving hearing from

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Speaker 1: you all so much. Keep sending me those ghost stories.

1188
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: I have a great episode coming at you next week,

1189
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: so you know what to do. Be following the show

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Speaker 1: all that good stuff and find me on Instagram. You

1191
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: know whatever. I love you all, both living and dead.

1192
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

1193
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: haunt mekay By. This has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 1: Want to share your paranormal experience on the podcast. I

1195
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: read stories out loud and sometimes I'll even call you,

1196
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: so email me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.

1197
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: You can send a DM or voice message to the

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00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: show's Instagram at ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow

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00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: while you're there, and follow me Roz on Instagram at

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Speaker 1: roz Hernandez and on TikTok and Twitter at it's roz Hernandez.

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Speaker 1: My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer

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00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: is the alarming Alex Chien. This episode was mixed and

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00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: sound designed by the you Edson Choi. My guest booker

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01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the

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01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: hair raising Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by

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01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky

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01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced

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01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: by the chilling Karen Kilgariff, the Spooky Georgia hart Stark,

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Speaker 1: and the frightening Danielle Kramer.