1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, you are back up the show with normal, 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: which takes the winds and news gets weird. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: I am Mary caser Camp and I am Carol Markowitz. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: How was your labor a weekend, Mary Katsman, It's been 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: pretty good. 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 3: I got to get up to New York and host the. 7 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Big weekend show on thoughts, and you know what, the 8 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: big weekend show is big, and it has a lot 9 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: of topics. 10 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 3: And. 11 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: So you know a lot of things. 12 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: Now. Well, either that or my brain is just fried 13 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: from having known a lot of things. And now I've 14 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: moved on from those like cramming for a test, right, 15 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: So I got to hand it to New York this time. 16 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: It's like sixty five degrees outside and gorgeous. 17 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: New York does end of summer early fall very very well. 18 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: It gets called very quickly. 19 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: Though. 20 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: I'm not one of those autumn girls at all, so. 21 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: I'm a summer gal as well. It's superior season. I 22 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: like September because it's mostly summer with is like. 23 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 4: A touch of fall a here for it, not in Florida, 24 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 4: but yes, I seem to recall that's how it went elsewhere. 25 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: Yes, Well, the big story over. 26 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 4: The weekend was somehow is Trump dead? And it started 27 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 4: with a tweet and I'm still going to call it 28 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 4: tweet even though it's excuse what else are we calling it? 29 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 4: From Laura Rosen and she said Trump has no public 30 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 4: events scheduled all weekend. Don't believe he was seen today either, 31 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 4: and then she followed up not seen yesterday either, and 32 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 4: then she quoted a White House pool reporter saying the 33 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 4: pool did not see the president today. Quote, we have 34 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 4: a travel photoed as a five seventeen PM pool did 35 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 4: not physically see the president today. 36 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: This blew so out of proportion. It really got me thinking. 37 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 4: First of all, Biden was missing for days at a 38 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 4: time and no one cared a time was he even here? 39 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: Like is he actually president? And we still don't really know. 40 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: Trump is gone for a few days, not even a 41 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: few days. It's Labor Day weekend, He's gone for Friday 42 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: and Thursday. And people absolutely lost their mind. At the 43 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: end of basically this hoopla. 44 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 4: Laura updated that Trump on Saturday was with his granddaughter 45 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 4: Kai Trump. They were going to go golfing in Virginia. 46 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 4: And then she also said that a Daily Caller reporter, 47 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 4: Reagan Reese, had been with Trump on the Friday where 48 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 4: she had originally reported that nobody had seen him. 49 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: Ultimately, she said, my two cents. 50 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 4: When I noted at the top the Trump did not 51 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 4: have public events on the long weekend schedule and had 52 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 4: not been seen for a few days, I did not 53 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 4: know what it meant, if anything, maybe getting some sort 54 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 4: of medical at tension, maybe something else, maybe nothing. Sometimes 55 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 4: one only finds out later. 56 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 3: What was going on. 57 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 4: But for someone who likes to always be on TV, 58 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 4: et cetera, this absence seemed worth noting. It genuinely never 59 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 4: occurred to me that anyone would think he was not alive, 60 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 4: And when started to see the volume of responses to 61 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 4: that effect, I felt like it was a bystander to 62 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 4: whatever was driving that virality. In any case, it is 63 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 4: obvious today from photos of him going to his golf 64 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 4: club with his grandchildren he is still functional. 65 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: Still fair to say there. 66 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 4: Is something sort of limited about his visibility in these photos, 67 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 4: and his grandchildren more discreet witnesses to his demeanor than 68 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 4: his sometimes weekend golfing partners say, like Lindsey Graham, still. 69 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: Wonder if he's had some sort of medical procedure or something. 70 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 3: I don't know. 71 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: This was insane and I don't know what to make 72 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: of it. People were absolutely losing their minds. What did 73 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 2: you see now? 74 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: It escalated very quickly, and I don't think Rosen is 75 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: wrong for pointing out, Okay, he's sort of weirdly out 76 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: of the spotlight for a couple of days. 77 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: That is true. Now you should probably note in that 78 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: tweet it is a holiday weekend. Yeah, he may have 79 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 3: some plans, but it's okay. 80 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: To take a day or two off you are president. Now, 81 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: I think the other guy took months off. 82 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: I know, like the diversion from the norm I think 83 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: is noteworthy and could possibly be a news. 84 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: Story, right, sure, But I think she didn't count on her. 85 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: Followers because liberals and blue sky liberals in general being 86 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: this insane, and they have been obsessing for quite some 87 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: time about his health. 88 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: Right. 89 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: And look, I think, as I've said, I think that 90 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 1: the White House should be transparent and up from about 91 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: the president's health situation. 92 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 3: It was notably very not for four years. 93 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: And if Trump is in bad health, they should be 94 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: telling people what's going on now that the left tweeters 95 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: and blue skyers have been chasing down pictures of him 96 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: looking unstable or sick. 97 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we see him all the time. 98 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 4: It's like, you can't chase down those pictures with this 99 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 4: administration because we see Trump all the time. 100 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: Well, and he had given a three hour cabinet meeting 101 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: presser like days before. Anyway, they've been chasing this for 102 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: a long time. There is this idea that he is 103 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: like gravely ill and that and that he's going to 104 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: keel over at any minute. First of all, he's in 105 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: his late seventies. Okay, he likely has some health issues 106 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: that just are part of being in your late seventies. Sure, 107 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: but game this out for me, Carol, the people who 108 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: are really we're so excited that President Trump might be dead. 109 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: First of all, it's classless to do that. It's classless 110 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: to do it with Obama or Biden or whomever. Second 111 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: of all, how does that work. 112 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: Out for them? 113 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: Who becomes president? 114 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: President Vance is quite clearly the successor in the Constitution, 115 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: and maybe they're not well read up on that. So 116 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 1: he becomes the president. He is capable, he is young, 117 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: He then has several years of presidential experience going in 118 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty eight. 119 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: I just how is this better for them? 120 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: How is this better for you? 121 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: And you've lost your chief villain, who is the person 122 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: who keeps your base very excited, motivated, or worse. 123 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: I don't get it. Why are you'll excited? 124 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: It makes no sense. It really makes no sense. 125 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: And I also say, we talk a lot on here 126 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: about not losing friends over politics or acquaintances even over politics. 127 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 4: But some of the gross posts I saw on Facebook 128 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 4: in the last few days of people. 129 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: I know, I don't know, I'm I was like, do 130 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: I do? 131 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 4: Is this where I defriend people? It's not going to 132 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 4: be over policy disagreement. It's going to be over your 133 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 4: a really bad person who is rooting for the death 134 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 4: of a father and grandfather. 135 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: I just I could never do that. 136 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 4: I could, like, I try to imagine, like whose death 137 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 4: I would root for it. 138 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. Terrorists literally, terrorists are all I. 139 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 3: Could come up with. 140 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: And exactly it's just like, I don't know. 141 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same people who wish for his death 142 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: are very happy to be angry that terrorists are killed. 143 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: So funny, they got it flipped. 144 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: They got it flipped. 145 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 4: They really do. 146 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: Don't root for people's deaths. People like I get. 147 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 4: It, you feel strongly and you hate people in the 148 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 4: public eye, there's still people and it's wrong. 149 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: It's wrong, and. 150 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 4: It's not going to hurt them, it's going to hurt you. 151 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 4: You become a worse person of course, or person. It's 152 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 4: not about going low when you know, going high when 153 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 4: they go low, or any of that. 154 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: It's about you. 155 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 4: Being a human who travels through this life being a 156 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 4: good person, and that's really the goal here. Don't root 157 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 4: for the death of anyone. 158 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: Also, since the beginning of my doing this job, the 159 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: online left has been quite obvious and enthusiastic about wishing 160 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: the death of its political adversaries. 161 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the. 162 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: Online right has many of many, many problems men, But 163 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: it has struck me for twenty years doing this that 164 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: the left is very enthusiastic about wishing these kinds of things, 165 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: very obvious about it. Sort of gets a pass because 166 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: they have a lot of allies in the media when 167 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: they are badly behaved this way. But it's bad form, 168 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: it's bad form. Just don't do it. Don't do don't 169 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: do assassination fetishism, don't do wishing that politans are dead. 170 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: It's bad news. So he remains with us. He's playing golf, 171 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: and we will keep you updated on his health as 172 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: things move forward. 173 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to hear how his golf game 174 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: was this weekend. 175 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 4: Honestly, I feel like he's going to have a lot 176 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 4: to stay. 177 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: He generally has a lot to say, So back to 178 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: it soon, I'm sure up next on normally, we're going 179 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: to take a quick break and we will be back 180 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: with a CDC dust up. 181 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: Alrighty, there is a. 182 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: Big change going on at the Center for Disease Control. 183 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: There was, of course, a clap out for those who 184 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: are leaving in protest. There's a handful of people who 185 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: are leaving because the CDC director who was just put 186 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: in place about a month ago. CDC Director Suzanne Manarez, 187 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: was asked to leave. She got in a little back 188 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: and forth with RFK, who is the head of HIGs, 189 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: because she didn't believe he had the power to fire her, 190 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: which I think is actually accurate. I think the president 191 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: has to fire her at any rate. 192 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: They went back and forth. 193 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: A couple of other people resigned in protest because the 194 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: newly placed CDC director was being let go. And now 195 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: you have a lot of New York Times stories along 196 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: the lines of can the CDC survive. 197 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: How a big deal? 198 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 4: Right? 199 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: We have many thoughts about the CDC, But how big 200 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: a deal do we think this shakeup is? 201 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: In real life? 202 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: Not a big deal in the media world, the biggest 203 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 4: deal that has ever dealt ever, And that really is 204 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 4: the divide between what is going on in our press 205 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 4: and what is going on in people's lives. I wrote 206 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 4: a piece, you know, several years ago now, and the CDC, 207 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 4: their performance during COVID was atrocious and the fact is 208 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 4: we could have done better without having a cd see 209 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 4: during the worst time, the only time that we've ever. 210 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: Needed the CDC. 211 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: And you know, and it's actually true, that's actually true 212 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: if you had removed me from them entirely. 213 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, look, I you know, we've talked about it 214 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 4: on here, But before the pandemic, I wasn't like an 215 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: anti CDC person. I wasn't an anti public health official. 216 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 4: I just saw that in a time where we needed 217 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 4: them to perform, they absolutely failed. 218 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: And then why do we need them? So these firings 219 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: or resignations, force resignations don't bother me at all. I 220 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: think a lot of these people deserve it. 221 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 4: And they're anti science largely we'll get into one of 222 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: the cases in particular. 223 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 2: But yeah, the fact that the media is so angry about. 224 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 4: It does not make it a real story, does not 225 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 4: make it important in people's lives. 226 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I should note that the sky is falling. Will 227 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: the CDC survive? Piece is written by a poor Vamende 228 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,599 Speaker 1: Villi who is a famous liar and dupe. 229 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 3: And she is covid era. 230 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: She is the New York Times Health public health reporter. 231 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 3: She's very, very bad. 232 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: So awful that all should be taken with a grain 233 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: of salt. I will say. 234 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 4: I'll just say to people listening, look up a porva 235 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 4: plus corrections on Google and enjoy your time looking at 236 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 4: her work. 237 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 3: If you've got a lot of time. 238 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: No, I agree with you that, And I think the 239 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: way you put it about the CDC is helpful because 240 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: I think you're right that basically, without them, we would 241 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: have done a better job during the during the pandemic, 242 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: which is why when the people who resign go on 243 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: TV and say this will harm people, we will not 244 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: be prepared for the next outbreak, I say, will it. 245 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what show me where you were prepared for 246 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: the last outbreak? Show me where you told the truth 247 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,359 Speaker 1: about the last Outbreak. 248 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: By the way I bought the hype. 249 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: I believed the movie Outbreak that the CDC was full 250 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: of geniuses right, and it indeed might be in parts. 251 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 3: But what I saw of the CDC was a bunch 252 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 3: of lies, a bunch of. 253 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: Ideologically driven, propatized ye a bunch of politicized terrible advice. 254 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: And my friend Kelly from Georgia, who is a mom 255 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: who's good at math, flagging the CDC for messing up 256 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: basic statistics regularly and saying, hey, I need you guys 257 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: to fix this, and eventually they would never giving credit 258 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: to the mom in Georgia who's correcting them. 259 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: Can we put her in the shakeup somewhere exactly? 260 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 4: Her handle on X is Kelly with an E y 261 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 4: kg A must follow. 262 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: Yes, So that's what I saw during the pandemic. And 263 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: then one of the guys who has now left, so 264 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: this is Dimitri Daslacis. I believe he was in charge 265 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: of the monkey pocks response after COVID and this was 266 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: the first time I ever heard of this eyes when 267 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: I saw this clip telling us how we should deal 268 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: with monkey pocks and see if you can find a 269 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: slight difference between the way that it's treated pay closed 270 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: and it's treated. 271 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I work in HIV normally, and I'll tell you that. 272 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 5: You know, I always say that I've never made an 273 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 5: HIV diagnosis, and someone that hasn't somehow related to stigma. 274 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 5: I think mpox is the same. So really, stigma tends 275 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 5: to be a barrier to testing, a barrier to vaccination, 276 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 5: and so you know, really addressing stigma intentionally and making 277 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 5: sure that we get the word out in a way 278 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 5: that supports people's joy as opposed to you know, calling 279 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 5: them risky. So I think, you know, one of the 280 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 5: things to think about is that, you know, one person's 281 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 5: idea of risk is another person's idea of a great 282 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 5: festival or Friday night for that matter. So we have 283 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 5: to sort of embrace that with joy and make sure 284 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 5: that folks know how to keep themselves safe. 285 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 3: So let me just. 286 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: During a monkey Pock's outbreak, which is a sexually transmitted infection, 287 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: we are going to do harmard and value group sex 288 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,239 Speaker 1: as a place. 289 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 2: Of joy, something you just have to have sometimes. 290 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: But during COVID, yeah, we're going to. 291 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: Shut schools for the least at risk population and churches 292 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: and churches and tell you that there is no joy 293 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: in a backyard barbecue and we will be having none 294 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: of that. 295 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 4: And seeing your family is just not that important. Yes, 296 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 4: having group sex on a Friday night that you need, 297 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 4: but seeing grandma less, you know. 298 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 3: Prevalent or that's not a joy we need to honor. 299 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: So that's the first time I heard of this guy 300 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: when the monkey Pocks outbreak happened, and so I shed 301 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: few tears for his exit, and he also referred to 302 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: pregnant people in his exit resignation letter. And then he's 303 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: gone on, Like I will say, look, doctor Mark Siegel, 304 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: who is a Fox News contributor who did the big 305 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: weekend show with me last night, said this guy has 306 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: been good at things, working in HIV and working in 307 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: infectious diseases, and he's, oh, okay, fine, that may be 308 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: the case. He is the worst, absolute worst spokesperson for 309 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: telling me why he should be at the CDC because 310 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: he is doing every other political story he can get 311 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: his hands on, talking about transitions, talking about stuff that 312 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with what he's allegedly good at, 313 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: and that makes me think that he did a lot 314 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: of that on the job. 315 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 4: Exactly, you know. I look, maybe Mark is right, but 316 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 4: I don't care. I don't care because somebody who thinks 317 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 4: that there can be pregnant non women is not somebody 318 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 4: we want in positions of medical authority in this country. 319 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 4: And that's really what it keeps coming down to. If 320 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 4: we have ideologues on the right that push a political 321 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 4: message in health organizations, like blatant political messaging, I think 322 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 4: the left would understand what the problem is, but because 323 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 4: it's their own messaging, they literally can't see what the 324 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: issue is. 325 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: So what pregnant people? Why can't we say pregnant people? Well, 326 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: because women are the only ones who can get pregnant. 327 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: That's why. That's why you can't say pregnant people. 328 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 4: And again, don't feel at all sorry for him. I 329 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 4: think that this is a case of you flew too 330 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 4: close to the sun. You wanted to be a political actor. 331 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 4: Now you are a political actor, You're on all the shows. 332 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 4: Congratulations to you, but you can no longer have the 333 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 4: medical job right. 334 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: I will say this about reshaping the CDC, I think 335 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: that Trump has a great opportunity to rebuild trust in 336 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: public health. RFK Junior was obviously a very controversial pick. 337 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: I understood that he needed leeway for that. Do I 338 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: think he's the best pick? 339 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 3: I don't like you. 340 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: And I have talked about how we prefer Marty McCarey, 341 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: how we like Jay Vadicharia, how we like Vene Pissad, 342 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: who was put back in his position. 343 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: I appreciate that. 344 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: There is an opportunity to staff with people who were 345 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: smart during the pandemic, who spoke up and were brave 346 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: about it, who are critical thinkers. 347 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: And to do it their background, to do it in. 348 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: An orderly way. And my concern is on again, we 349 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: have a staffing dust up that is. 350 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 1: Like, this woman was just put in place by you 351 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: guys a month ago. By the way, all the Democrats 352 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: on the Hill who didn't vote for her are now like, 353 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she's amazing. 354 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 3: We must have here. 355 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: No, yeah, but. 356 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: Like, who's in charge, who's making the decisions? How are 357 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: you remaking this organization? Let's think about that and do 358 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: it well. Because I believe that you're up against some 359 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: bad forces. I believe that many of these people should go. 360 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: I would like you to see it. I would like 361 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: to see it done in a way that makes me 362 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: feel confident about where you're headed. 363 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 4: That's right, Let's follow Mary Catherine's plan. 364 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 3: One more note. 365 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: You and I looked this up because we couldn't quite 366 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: remember what happened, But two FDA officials who specialized in 367 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: vaccines left during the ongoing discussion of COVID vaccines and 368 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: the somewhat controversial issuing of mandates to young people, particularly 369 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: young men who were getting my card artists, we know 370 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: that health officials hid real facts about the efficacy of 371 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: the COVID vaccine. They hid the risks to young men 372 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: for myocharditis when they knew about it. 373 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 3: Two of those folks resigned, and somehow that wasn't a 374 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 3: big story. 375 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: It was just like, I guess these I guess these 376 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: people just aren't interested in public health and we'll move 377 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: on without the peak of their kind of importance. 378 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 4: They just didn't want to be there anymore for some reason. 379 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 4: Nobody knows why. 380 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 3: Nobody knows why. 381 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: And when it comes to discussing vaccines, which we're going 382 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: to be doing, and I think RFK has some bad 383 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: ideas on because like much of the research on the 384 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: on the autism vaccine front was explicitly faked by a 385 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: guy and I know that the data was faked by him, 386 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: So I don't I don't like that being part of 387 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: the discussion. 388 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: Do I want to have a discussion? 389 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: Sure, go ahead, right, but again, lefties have to just 390 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: erase the entire last five years to tell you that 391 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: the CDC and the FDA and ACIP, which is the 392 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: vaccine group that approves everything, they're doing just a peachy 393 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: keen job, right. 394 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, they just want to get to like the best 395 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 4: health outcomes. There's no political anything going on there. 396 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: No no no like as our good friend Political Math 397 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: with Shapiro notes on Twitter, the experts at ACIP in particular, 398 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: that was supposed to be the independent group that reviews vaccines, 399 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: they allowed themselves to get bullied by a deceitful CDC 400 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: in the Biden administration. They recommended an untested vaccine booster 401 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: against their better judgment and allowed the CDC in the 402 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: Biden administration to box them into the corner. There are 403 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: consequences for that, and sometimes that looks like an overhaul 404 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: at your agency, like. 405 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: The Sorry, not that Sorry. 406 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 4: We'll be right back with a story on how conservatives, 407 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 4: those dastardly conservatives, trick the liberals into not having children? 408 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: How dare we marry Catherine? 409 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: We have amazing powers. 410 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: Be right back. We're back on normally. We're A columnist 411 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: and chief data. 412 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 4: Reporter at the Financial Times, John Byrne Murdoch had a 413 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 4: thread over the last few days where he said that 414 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 4: progressives need to start talking about the birth rate problem. 415 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 4: His original tweet said, for all the talk of a 416 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 4: general fallen berths, the drop is overwhelmingly driven by people 417 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 4: on the left having fewer kids. By seating the topic 418 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 4: of family and children to the right, progressives risks ushering 419 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 4: in a more conservative world. 420 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 2: Now. First of all, we all saw this coming like. 421 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 4: This is insanely not news, And the fact that the 422 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 4: left is just realizing this is another tell that they 423 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 4: don't listen to us at all, So it could not 424 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 4: have been us talking them into not having children. For 425 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 4: years and years, James Toronto at The Wall Street Journal 426 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 4: would highlight something called the Row effect, where more people 427 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 4: on the left were having abortions, therefore more people on 428 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 4: the right were having kids and fewer people on the 429 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 4: left were having kids, and that this would inevitably usher 430 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 4: in a more conservative populist You don't always follow your parents' politics. 431 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 2: Listen. No, I understand that, but you do a lot 432 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 2: of the time. And there is definitely a. 433 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 4: Correlation between the political opinions of your parents and the 434 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 4: political opinions of your kids. So it was coming all along, 435 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 4: and the fact that this is now a something that 436 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 4: the left is discovering is wild. 437 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, we didn't bring this on you. 438 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 2: Guys, right, We tried to make you listen. 439 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: Well, And that's what Tim Karney, who wrote a great 440 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: book called Family Unfriendly, that's about during society, American society 441 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: a little bit more back towards families so that we 442 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: can help them make it easier to have more children. 443 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: He noted that, like, I've been talking about Natalia for years, yeah, 444 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: and policy solutions and inviting the left to have that 445 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: discussion with me. But the left has really painted itself 446 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: into a corner because they look at people like me 447 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: or you who are over replacement level, right, and they 448 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: say that's irresponsible. 449 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 3: They think it's bad. 450 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: They think they'll say you can't get give enough attention 451 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: to each child. They'll say that you can't, you're putting 452 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: a burden on other people by having this many. In fact, no, 453 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: if you actually want the social programs that you guys want, 454 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: you have to have my kids someday to be tax 455 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: fodder for you. 456 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 3: So I so just like remember that. 457 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: But yes, it, of course not every kid becomes whatever 458 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: political affiliation was. But many kids who are growing up 459 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: in a three plus kid household, are raised in a faith, 460 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: are practicing that faith on a regular basis. 461 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 3: Are likely to become more right of center than left. 462 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: Just given that, and that will pay dividends to right 463 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: leaning candidates in the future. 464 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 3: I mean, that's just it. That's just a fact, guys. 465 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: Just a fact. 466 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 4: His last tweet in the thread originally said the greatest 467 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 4: trick right ever pulled was convincing the left that talking 468 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 4: about families and children is conservative coded. He, to his credit, 469 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 4: changed that last tweet to I fear many progressives have 470 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 4: convinced themselves that talking about families and children is conservative coded. 471 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: Because that's actually what happened. 472 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 4: We were like, guys, everybody should be having more children, 473 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 4: and I have to admit at some point a few 474 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 4: years ago, I was like, wait, why am I pitching 475 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 4: this to progressives Like they're fine, don't have children, what 476 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 4: do I care? I don't care. So I did slow 477 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 4: down on that, but we did still keep bringing the 478 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 4: alarm that we were, you know, getting to the place 479 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 4: where we were below replacement rates. It does change the 480 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 4: fabric of your country when you're not having enough children. 481 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 4: I've seen it happen in other countries, Scotland for example, 482 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 4: my beloved Scotland. They're just it is a difference in 483 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 4: the way that the country sees itself, the way that 484 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 4: they look at their future, the way things that are 485 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 4: important to them change because having kids. 486 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 2: So who really cares, Yeah. 487 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 3: No, it is. 488 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: Having kids is a gauge for your optimism for the future. 489 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: And if you're a if you're part of a left 490 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: leaning group who has a lot of climate anxiety, who 491 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: is told that it is a certain doom if you 492 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: bring your children into this world, of course you're going 493 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: to have fewer them. And anecdotally, I would say it's 494 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: very clear between and I have a lot of liberal 495 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: friends and I have a lot of conservative friends. The 496 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: conservative woman friends in my life, I think over the past, 497 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: my oldest is twelve. There's one girl group who has 498 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: had like seventeen children since the time that she was born, 499 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: or no, not even since she was born, Like in 500 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: the last seven years, and it's very different with my 501 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: friends on the left and you know, have one or two, 502 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: it's just a very different yeah. 503 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 4: Right, yeah, have the baby's friends have the babies well. 504 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: And one more thing as this we've talked about in 505 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: the past, this demographic part of it, the fact that 506 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: Democrats were relying on demographics's destiny, right, that is the 507 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: Obama pitch that like, now, we have a country that 508 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: is full of it's diverse, and it's full of black 509 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: and brown people who are never going to vote for Republicans. 510 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: And then Trump went and made an argument to those 511 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: people and they started voting for him. 512 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 3: So there are several demographic. 513 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: Fronts that are not going well for Democrats, including one 514 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: more the twenty thirty census that we've talked about, where 515 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: the migration to red States is going to change the 516 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 1: way that we do the math on the electoral college 517 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: and the representation in Congress, and that three for. 518 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 3: Not great for the left. 519 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, which you know from our perspective over here, you 520 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 4: did it to yourselves. And yes, you know, once. 521 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 3: Again we didn't trick you. 522 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 4: This is the segment, the second segment of I don't 523 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 4: feel sorry for you, Thanks for joining us. 524 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 3: On Normally. 525 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 4: Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere 526 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 4: you get your podcasts. 527 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: Get in touch with us. 528 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 4: At normally the po at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, 529 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 4: and when things get weird back normally