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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Good Mom's Bad Choices. I'm Erica and

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Speaker 1: I'm Meela, and it's Wednesday. Happy Hump day, bitches, What's.

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Speaker 3: What's going on? Happy October?

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Speaker 1: Happy October. It is your girl's favorite month.

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Speaker 3: It is make your magic October.

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Speaker 4: And you know we're some magical bitches, So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: Show period October. Halloween. That's Erica's birthday, it's my scorpio wife,

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Speaker 1: It's Halloween, our favorite holiday of all time. We will

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Speaker 3: You know you're you gonna be for Halloween?

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Speaker 1: Yea, I have. I have like a couple in mind.

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Speaker 1: Whatever one is beset the cat got Egyptian God.

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Speaker 1: And then recently I was looking at pictures and I

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Speaker 4: That's also black and she's very white, so that might

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Speaker 1: Just maybe are going to do a mosh pit.

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Speaker 1: They look like they I mean, they look like they hurt.

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Speaker 4: And you guys, we are asking you to send in

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Speaker 4: Call our hotline. It's anonymous. If you have anything you

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Speaker 3: It could be anything.

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Speaker 4: Whatever it is, you'd have to be sex I mean

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Speaker 4: I know you are weight because you have been talking

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Speaker 4: MIEI La said your name right, Yes, I'd like to

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Speaker 4: welcome to the show, mie La.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for coming. Miyela is a.

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Speaker 1: Who do is rooted in herbs and like, and voodoo

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Speaker 3: Yes, but first.

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Speaker 2: Things first, I'm just so curious just about your journey

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Speaker 2: And oh my god, how did you get into what

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I was born in Iowa.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and then my mom and her husband they maybe

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Speaker 2: And they were taking all these cool things. They were

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Speaker 2: Were my daughter stayed with my mom between my mom

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Speaker 2: Mom is amazing so supportive of everything I do. Like

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Speaker 3: And she's always been there always.

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Speaker 2: Yes. When I had my baby. At eighteen, I went

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Speaker 2: Like that's in my head. I'm nineteen years old. I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, so how much do you make? She's like, no, girl,

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Speaker 2: you don't have to do that. You know, like I

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Speaker 2: and that's how it started. She just kind of told

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Speaker 2: trying to make money.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: He was working like three jobs and I wasn't working

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Speaker 2: probably was the best, one of the best things I

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Speaker 2: it got to Miami.

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Speaker 1: Because it went in Miami. It's like theous like Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: How long did you dance for.

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Speaker 2: From nineteen to I'm thirty now, I want to say

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Speaker 1: So you stayed You stayed in Miami that entire time.

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Speaker 2: I stayed in Miami that entire time I danced in Miami.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, and then what was your journey into into

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: I kind of went straight into voodoo. Once I learned

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Speaker 2: how did you want to about your nation ancestry? I mean,

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Speaker 2: in my mom's side of the family, got it okay.

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Speaker 2: Once I learned that, I was like, we're what we

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Speaker 3: You're like, oh, okay, So once I.

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Speaker 2: Was able to get that, I was able to build

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Speaker 3: It's everything to me.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Were you like like interested in the occult? Like were

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Speaker 1: or it's just something like you're because a lot of

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Speaker 1: let me cook all the Haitian food, and you know

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Speaker 2: I would say, I've always been spiritual. I consider myself

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Speaker 2: probably others are not interested in. Was it voodoo that

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Speaker 2: I thought I would be doing. No, you could have

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Speaker 2: never told me voodoo would be like the place, but

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Speaker 3: Yes, did you grow up religious? Like religious?

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Speaker 2: No? I didn't grow religious. I grew up pretty Baptists.

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Speaker 2: that's what when you talked about who do, that's really

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Speaker 2: like you know, just growing up around certain things that

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Speaker 2: very common around Black people. We have this in their

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Speaker 3: Is what it is.

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Speaker 2: But I think that is very like natural to us.

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Speaker 2: Like even like I was with my at my mom's

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Speaker 2: and she was like, yeah, you know, I just sometimes

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Speaker 3: I'm like, who told you to do that? Like why

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Speaker 2: I don't got nobody's ashes like they all think I'm

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Speaker 2: just like this big voodoo person. And I'm like, y'all

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Speaker 2: you sprinkle me. She's like, I just be wanting to

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Speaker 2: her door, and I'm like, who told you that's for protection?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, but how do you know that? It's because

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Speaker 2: it's in us. It's just an intuitive whisper and intuitive

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Speaker 2: I speak about it a lot, like especially with like

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Speaker 3: The North Star?

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Speaker 2: These people who couldn't read or write, because this is

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Speaker 2: something that you know, whether it's faith, it's some type

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Speaker 2: at this, you know what I'm saying. So I think

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Speaker 2: it's just in us.

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Speaker 3: So voodoo.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that that's where I would end up,

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Speaker 1: So who do is like just the baseline general spiritualism

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Speaker 2: Knowing, without the even if they don't know that word,

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Speaker 2: because there's a lot of black people don't know that

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Speaker 2: think that it is who Do is something that was

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Speaker 2: it's not voodoo. It is root work, it is conjure,

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Speaker 2: it is herbs and things like that. It's a lot

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Speaker 2: under the guise of Christianity. So there is a lot

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Speaker 1: Saying before we started the show. I said that, she

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Speaker 1: did you just say that before? I wish yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Know, she's yeah, she said that.

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Speaker 4: It's there's a lot it's like goes hand in hand

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Speaker 4: actual what's the same religion where I guess voodoo also

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Speaker 4: has some elements of.

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Speaker 2: So it's just kind of again like when we first started,

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Speaker 2: I was talking about Haitian Voodo on African voodoo being

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Speaker 2: so different. A lot of its geography, this is just

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Speaker 2: where they are and this is where we are. So

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Speaker 2: like in Haitian voodoo, a lot of it is guys

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Speaker 2: and hidden behind Catholicism because that was the religion that

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Speaker 2: hiding these spiritual practices and these spiritual things that we

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Speaker 2: naturally do under Christianity. So like a lot of hohodle

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Speaker 2: people will call the Book of Psalms the Book of

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Speaker 2: spells because our ancestors was reading and giving it power,

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Speaker 2: not that it just innately had power on its own.

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Speaker 2: We read it and we gave it power. In my opinion,

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Speaker 2: I believe that that book didn't have any power of

440
00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,760
Speaker 2: movement to it until our answers started reading it and

441
00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,920
Speaker 2: started making it, you know, making the best out of

442
00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:14,600
Speaker 2: their situation.

443
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,400
Speaker 3: And that's really how that shit is born.

444
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,280
Speaker 1: So did you remember Jesse Jessie was talking about this

445
00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:20,879
Speaker 1: on our one Bar.

446
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,399
Speaker 3: What was the name of that episode we did with her.

447
00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,879
Speaker 1: I'm not sure our friend got us. Jesse was just

448
00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,960
Speaker 1: like basically saying, when the slaves came over and we're

449
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,720
Speaker 1: given the Bible, Christianity, they masked a lot of this,

450
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,359
Speaker 1: like some of the spirits that were African spirits they reuldcall,

451
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 1: you know, like there are a lot of the saints

452
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,359
Speaker 1: or whatever the Bible, biblical people are they were covered

453
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,080
Speaker 1: like they were they've been like they're associated with other

454
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 1: voodoo saints or God yah, so that you know who

455
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,440
Speaker 1: you're talking about, but you were covering it and what

456
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 1: was acceptable. So it's like we have this relationship and

457
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 1: Christianity and we don't really understand that in fact that

458
00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,920
Speaker 1: is like our relationship to our an sesters in Africa

459
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 1: and like that that was how it was masked.

460
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,160
Speaker 2: Well that peace I think probably had not probably has

461
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 2: been lost.

462
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 1: Well, so yeah, connection was lost. Well it's interesting because

463
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 1: like you know, just like us, like we're black girls

464
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 1: living in the valley, but we both were very like

465
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 1: drawn to not the darkness, but like the spirit world

466
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 1: and to like witchery into like the conjuring of things.

467
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, why is that? And even

468
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,120
Speaker 1: and even like when I was a little girl, because

469
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up Christian, but I remember thinking like

470
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 1: as I got older and I started to understand, like

471
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 1: diehard black Christians confused me and like granted this was

472
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: like my grandmother, you know, even though she's like witchy

473
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: in her own way, but it's it was so I

474
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 1: couldn't understand why a bunch of black people who were

475
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 1: given this to justify like such oppression would then after

476
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 1: it's after it's done with, continue to study into praise

477
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: and to like this white Jesus. Yeah, it's frustrating, but

478
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 1: it's also it makes so much more sense that like

479
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 1: maybe their relationship with this, like maybe not white Jesus,

480
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: maybe black Jesus or whatever like is so strong still

481
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 1: because it was something rooted in something that is our

482
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,199
Speaker 1: innate and like ancestral belief system.

483
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: I agree that was one of the things that was

484
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: very hard and triggering for me, especially coming into voodoo.

485
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,400
Speaker 2: You know when people like they get information and they're learning,

486
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 2: and they're learning and you start to like dissect what

487
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: you've been taught, you're like, oh my God, Like like

488
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 2: you said, if this is what it is, why a

489
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 2: y'all still talking about Christianity, Why y'all talk about these things?

490
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 2: As I've gotten like deeper into what I do and

491
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: like who I am now is how I appear, I

492
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 2: appreciate the hiding it more, even if still today people

493
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 2: are not able to like separate them. I get it

494
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 2: because like part of the magic is the trick hiding

495
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 2: it in plain sight. You know, hiding voodoo in plain sight,

496
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 2: hiding wood do in plain sight. So you know, they

497
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 2: had to hide a lot of things they were doing.

498
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 2: They were poisoning slave masters and all kinds of butchery

499
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: and shit, you know, trying to hide it under Christianity

500
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 2: and things like that. So now I get it. I

501
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 2: get it now, especially with myself. Is the way that

502
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: I appear. Why can't I street people who do not

503
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 2: think I do voodoo? They think I'm just some girl,

504
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 2: you know, walk on the street like you know, you

505
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 2: don't dress this way, you don't look this way, like.

506
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be.

507
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,719
Speaker 2: I'm in disguise, you know, like you're not supposed to know.

508
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 2: I just came back from Haiti. You're not supposed to

509
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 2: know I just was in Africa and shaved my head

510
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: completely bald. You're not supposed to know those things. You know,

511
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 2: those are not only part of the magic far as

512
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 2: witchery is concerned, but as far as femininity and our

513
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 2: natural inner witch. We're supposed to know what I can do,

514
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: like you're.

515
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 3: Supposed to know. I should definitely throw you off. I should.

516
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 3: You should definitely look.

517
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: At me and be like this is bitch, is not

518
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: doesn't know anything. I want you to think that. I

519
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 2: want you to think that I don't know any of that.

520
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: So I relate to that in that sense of like

521
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 2: how our ancestors hit it.

522
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 3: I get it.

523
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: Yes, it is frustrating, and even like some parts, like

524
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: in my work and in my journey, like I hit

525
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: those robumps and I'm like, uh, Christianity is like, you know,

526
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: like why is this here, like trying to go over

527
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 2: this road bump and I'm faced with these things, but

528
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: it's it's just kind of history, you know what I mean,

529
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: And you know you kind of just gotta do what

530
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: you're to do with it.

531
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 1: But what do you mean like roadbumps.

532
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: Like being in voodoo and seeing the saints on the

533
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 2: face on like as as like the loa which is

534
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: what we call the spirits, and voodoo is the loa,

535
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: and so like you'll have certain Catholic saints that are

536
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: in place of these spirits, these Haitian and African spirits,

537
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 2: and it's because our ancestors said, well, this is Saint Michael,

538
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: but it's actually this person, this spirit, you know what

539
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: I mean. So, and so it's a little frustrating to

540
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: see these white, white faces when we're talking about Haitian

541
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: and African voodoo, you know, or have these African spirits

542
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: and so, and I have to keep reminding myself that

543
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 2: this is here because our ancestors had to hide this shit,

544
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 2: not because they believe that that's what it looked like

545
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 2: or that's who it is. They had to hide it,

546
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: you know.

547
00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: And this is the only way we.

548
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: Have to give our ancestors some grace, you know what

549
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: I mean, Like in the time that they were in,

550
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: it's just like God damn.

551
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 3: Like what could they do?

552
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 2: And so the fact that we have what we have,

553
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: the information that you had, because it's very hard to

554
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 2: google voodoo and who do because it's not written in

555
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: the book, it's no bible for it. So the fact

556
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 2: that we have been able to keep it alive in

557
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: such a sense only by word of mouth and self

558
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: taught or not self taught, but taught within the families,

559
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: it's beautiful. While trying to hide it, trying to survive. Well,

560
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: I'm trying to stay get your humanity, you know what

561
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 2: I mean, like all kinds of things. So I try

562
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: to I'm learning to give myself and my ancestors.

563
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 3: Greceuse I was very hard on them, like why do

564
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: y'all do you know, why the fuck we gotta have this?

565
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: Like even having like the thing like a Bible on

566
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: your ancestor alter is something that took me a long

567
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 2: time to do. But I feel like my great grandfather,

568
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: who was very die hard in the church but was

569
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: super spiritual, appreciated that when I put it up there,

570
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: Like I could feel that our connection way stronger once

571
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: I put that up there. But it was very hard

572
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 2: for me to put up And I'm just like, why

573
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: would when I put this by because.

574
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: It represents something more.

575
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

576
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: But I had a you know, reading with a good

577
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: elder in mine who was just like, you know, you

578
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: have to meet them where they were to to even

579
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 2: communicate with them, like give them some grace, and so

580
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: it was very helpful for me to do it.

581
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think that's a beautiful statement. Like I think

582
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: that in evolution, like as time, like you know, even

583
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: talking about African voodoo and Haitian voodoo and now like

584
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: this version and like you can walk down the street

585
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: and someone may not think or assume you're a voodoo

586
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: priestess because you're a bad bitch you know, but I

587
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: think that even as you're learning and as we're learning too,

588
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: it's just like the like the history of our ancestors

589
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: is so important, and it is deeply rooted in our history.

590
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: It's the story that got us here, and it's the

591
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: relationship evolves and every you know, in every generation, every generation,

592
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: we we have to be able to shift and evolve

593
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: with the medicine, you know, and like the things that

594
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: were required for our ancestors to survive in that circumstance,

595
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, required for them to use what they had,

596
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: and that's the Bible. And as we grow and as

597
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: we evolve, and we are pulled to certain things, even

598
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: for reasons beyond us that we don't know, even appearing

599
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: as modern women, modern women, you know, knowing that and

600
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: keeping in mind that we can be healers and that

601
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: we can be deeply connected to this, to this spirituality

602
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: without it looking a certain way. And like even as

603
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: we especially you, like as you discuss your relationship with

604
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: the spirits, and as you've chosen to develop it, and

605
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: it's called you and you've just continued to grow. Because

606
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm a Stocker and I've seen you for the last

607
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: three years of my Instagram feed, but not that I

608
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: know you personally, but just being a black woman who's

609
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: also been called and also used my magic in different ways,

610
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: it probably looks totally different, but like just us being

611
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: giving ourselves the permission to say, huh okay, like this

612
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: is an interesting calling and I'm going to honor it,

613
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: and like it's just a it's just a like a

614
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: a testament to intuition and follow our intuition and our feminine, like,

615
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, their intuition is very like I think, tied

616
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: to our feminine, you know, just our feminine, like our

617
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: goddess and and I think I think a lot of

618
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: modern people, especially with social social fucking you know, Instagram

619
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: and shit, people would like to be like, oh, you

620
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: got to be barefoot and be wearing a head wrap

621
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: and you got to look like this to have these

622
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: powers or to do this. But it's like, actually, no,

623
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: and whoever's listening, if you've been feeling called and you

624
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, no, that's not my ship because I

625
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: grew up like this or like that seems crazy, like no,

626
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: actually it's innate, and like I think a part of

627
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,719
Speaker 1: our jobs and a part of the testing, you know,

628
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 1: and when we get links that are sideways or just

629
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: like you know, do you know what I mean? Like trusting, well,

630
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: well let me fix you. But but it's like that

631
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: is the that's the sharpening of our tools. You know.

632
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: It's like sharp tools is the words. I'm so glad

633
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 3: you said that, Like that just triggers on.

634
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a sharpening of our tools. And so there

635
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: will be situations and you'll be like should I listen?

636
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: Like yes, bitch, And if you're going to, we're gonna

637
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: get sharpened. If you don't, we're gonna dole down. This

638
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: is the sharpening of our intuition tool, which is our

639
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: most powerful tool, which is our womb tool, you know.

640
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: And it's like that is the work, and that's okay,

641
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: and we have to support each other in it. We

642
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: love each other through it. We have be gentle with ourselves.

643
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: I think that's a big thing to being gentle with ourselves,

644
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: knowing that there is a duality that lives in us,

645
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 1: that we are witches and we are human bitches. Unfortunately unfortunately.

646
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: To be here. That's what people ask like how you

647
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: going through this? Like, bitch, do you know? But it's

648
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: also a gift.

649
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: But I'm just like we get to conjure this way,

650
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: like we.

651
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: Get to manifest in the way that we want to,

652
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: like our spiritual Like you can see how someone's spiritual

653
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: gifts are and who they are by how they manifest

654
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: and the physical. It's like, oh, you probably do this.

655
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: And we can drink wine. This is our reality.

656
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: This is what keeps us humble because if it was

657
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: just the spirit and energy, it would be it would

658
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: be people wouldn't want to It would be especially the

659
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: people who are judging or judge women or judge situations

660
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: or whatever. Like like if you had to take out

661
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: that skin suit, the conversation would be different.

662
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: Well yeah, war But like this is so fun and beautiful.

663
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: We get to like dress up and on makeup and

664
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: like drink.

665
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 4: I have a question that I just had been wanting

666
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 4: to ask me No, just because it's October and it's

667
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 4: witchy and it's Halloween, and I do have questions because

668
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 4: you know, we've done every every October, me and Mila,

669
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 4: we always have kind of like a witchy thing. And

670
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 4: I think like a few octobers ago, Jamila she sacrificed

671
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: some pigeons, right, So I'm just wondering my shaman.

672
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: I'm curious.

673
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 4: I think I want to, like, I'm interested in the

674
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: magic of voodoo because there's also this perception as well, right, like,

675
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: so what are the practices, what are the And I

676
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 4: know there's things you cannot share because that's just the practice.

677
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 4: And then there's things that like nature, using nature to

678
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 4: past spells, to create energy, to create magic essentially is

679
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: something that I think is in the voodoo practice, not

680
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: just with the herbs, but with the elements. And you

681
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 4: know we are the elements in ways. So can you

682
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 4: can you give us like some insight on what that is?

683
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 4: And like you know me, I don't know if you

684
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 4: want to reshare your story, but like the animal satisfice, what.

685
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 3: What kind of jake?

686
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: Jake is a Voodoo priest?

687
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: Is white? No? Now he's a black priest.

688
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: No, no, he's a black jake. But I know there's

689
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: African priests that are that are white. He is fine

690
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: as fuck. Actually he actually met cousin Chris, and then

691
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: cousin Christ introduced me to him and I was going

692
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: through some heavy ship and like again, like I've always

693
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: been called.

694
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: Every time I point, that's why I want.

695
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So what you wanted me. He so, yeah, like

696
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: five years ago, I was going through some shit. I've

697
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: always been really like I've open like I know that,

698
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: like there's so much deeper I can go into spirituality

699
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: just being of African descent, and I'm very intrigued by that.

700
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: I always have been. And like even since we started

701
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: our podcast, like we started to become super as we

702
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: joined forces. We started to see like how powerful we

703
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: were together and this entity that was created and we

704
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: started to pull and manifest like easier, and it started

705
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: to like it just made me even more intrigued in playing,

706
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, and playing in all of the elements. So

707
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: at the time I was going through something and my

708
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: cousin Crios showed out to cousin Cris, who's actually also

709
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: from Louisiana and also deeply spiritual, and that's like where

710
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: we bond. We could talk, we could say all types

711
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: of shit, you know, to each other. So he's like, child,

712
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: I didn't mean an African. I've been met a priest

713
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: and about to do a spell you on camp I

714
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: what kind of spent well child? He doesn't tell me.

715
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: All need to do is get a candle, one white pigeon,

716
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: one black pigeon. I said, where we go get the

717
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: pigeons from me? He told me the place. So one

718
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: Friday afternoon in La so you can imagine the fucking traffic.

719
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: Me and cousin Chris goes by and get us each

720
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: one blake, one white and one black from the livestock

721
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: place in fan eyes and drive our asses over the

722
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: four oh five to Jake's house with the pigeons. They

723
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: in the back seat, squap, squaw. We listen to fucking

724
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: Gucci Man. Turn her cousin Chris. They must know they

725
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: about to.

726
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: They're about to go, right, We're.

727
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: Fucking blasting Gucci Man on the way to sacrifice four

728
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: pigeons for different reasons. But I was with the shoots

729
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: and me we went and like me, Jake was on

730
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: the show, and Jake and I are soul friend to

731
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: this day. And he does he goes through a lot

732
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: of initiations like he does a lot of work. We

733
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: got there, the altars were set up. He explained some

734
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: ship to us. There's a lot of work that was done.

735
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: The cigars ever smoked liquor, that was spit. It was

736
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: a long time ago, now, manad listen to the episode again.

737
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: You might need to listen to. Re released it as

738
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: a bonus episode just so you guys remember that, you know,

739
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: don't call peta But I mean Jesus was sacrificed apparently,

740
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: so you know, there's that.

741
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: I was about to say, like a lot of the

742
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: stigma and the conversations around animal sacrifice and are very

743
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: ignorant because it's like you'll have Christians like, oh, there's

744
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: sacrifice animals and blood. It's just like like all the

745
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: same people who sacrifice Jesus drinking his blood every day. Yeah,

746
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 2: with the guns that you live every day literally, like

747
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: but you know that that Christians they ritually go to

748
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: church and on communion and eat by the body and

749
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: drink his blood. It's like that sounds like mpires visualistic,

750
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: you know, or you know, or there's like talk about magic.

751
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: It's just like Jesus walked on water and talked to

752
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: a burning bush or whoever did. It's just like y'all

753
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: were that wasn't scary to y'all. But the thing is,

754
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: you know, it's like in the beginning of the Bible

755
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: and Genesis when they talk about God being a jealous God.

756
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 2: So I think that Christians are just like wait, they

757
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: say that, yeah, God is jealous God, not to like

758
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: idolize any other gods.

759
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: And they literally describe God as a jealous God.

760
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 3: The word jealous God, I am. It's like a scripture.

761
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: I'll look it up.

762
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: I should never tell nobody that because I's all the

763
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: type of God I'm trying to fuck with. I want

764
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: to know.

765
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: I think that.

766
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of Christians because they're programmed

767
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: to like if it's not if it doesn't look this

768
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: way in Christianity and God and Jesus and all these things,

769
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: then it's not of God because God said he's a

770
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: jealous God. So we're not gonna you know, it's automatically

771
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: cast to the devil. It's automatically this, and it's just

772
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: like that should only exists over there, Like the devil

773
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: does not exist in voodoo, Like it doesn't exist. There's

774
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: not an entity. There's not an entity. There's not a

775
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,959
Speaker 2: spirit that we call. We'll be like, well, we gotta

776
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: watch out for that when we're doing this. It doesn't

777
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: exist that way. It's you know what I mean. So

778
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: voodoo is culture is beautiful. It's dance, it's music, it's food.

779
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. And when I first got to go to

780
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: Haiti and see it, I was like, oh, oh, oh

781
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: my god.

782
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: Every black person needs to see this.

783
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: Everybody in America, every Black person in America has to

784
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 2: see this, because god damn. It was the same way.

785
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 2: I went to a doula course in Atlanta in twenty

786
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: eighteen and she was a white woman, but she had

787
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: this beautiful home birth and I had never seen nothing

788
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 2: like that before. I had never seen a woman get

789
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: birth at home so strong and flawless and like in

790
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: her powers, like it didn't matter that she was white.

791
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: What stood out to me was just like this woman

792
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: is like got it, Like how did you do this?

793
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 3: Like you know?

794
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: And my first and instinct was like, oh my god.

795
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: Black women have to see this. Black women have to

796
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: see that they can have babies at home, Oh my god,

797
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: because we're dying in the hospital. Like, they have to

798
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 2: see this. And so that's why it was very important

799
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: for me to document my birth when I did it,

800
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 2: cause I knew if I ever had a baby again,

801
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm doing it at home. And I planned it. And

802
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: my birth was flawless. It was beautiful, like that was real,

803
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: Like that was I can tell beautiful flawless, even him.

804
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: He showed up in ways that was like, okay, nigga,

805
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like he was great in

806
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: my birth, the whole situation.

807
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: I feel like I literally breathed my baby out, you

808
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

809
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: And I wanted Black women to see that, like this

810
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: is a this is a thing that we can do,

811
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: like in our power, not just as black women, but

812
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 2: just as women, like in our nature, you know. And

813
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: so all that stigma around animal.

814
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: Sacrifice is very ignorant.

815
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are the same people that eat meat for

816
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: no chicken, just for the.

817
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: Just for the fun of it, because you want a

818
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: nine piece this week, you know what I mean, Because.

819
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: You're like and if you had to do the dirty

820
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: work of sacrifices, you wouldn't do it. If you had

821
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: to deal with the blood and the funk and the

822
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: guts and how they smell and how they look in

823
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: the fighting for its life, would you eat it? How

824
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: would you survive if that's how you had to eat,

825
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so not to say

826
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: that the sacrifice and animal it has to do with

827
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: just the food aspect, because there is an aspect to

828
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: eating afterwards. But when an animal sacrifice in Voodoo, it

829
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: is bathed and blessed in such a beautiful ritual way.

830
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: This they're not just grabbed off the street like, but

831
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: they are like bathed in a spiritual bath, all types

832
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: of things, colonnes. They are offered to God, whoever you

833
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: want to call it, God's spirit. They're offered in the

834
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: most purest way, you know what I mean, Like here,

835
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: please take this.

836
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: And that's that's what happened. Like he did bathe them

837
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: in colognes and waters. He bathed us in the blood,

838
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 1: you know, and it was like hot, like life force.

839
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: Energy was like you could feel.

840
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: And that's honestly like and that's what it is when

841
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 2: when an animal sacrifice, we are borrowing.

842
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: We are borrowing energy. That's what that is.

843
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,479
Speaker 2: Because if not, we would use our own, we would

844
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 2: use our own, we would sacrifice ourselves, like Jesus, did

845
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Or whatever they say, did

846
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: we would sacrifice ourselves. But we're not where you were

847
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: borrowing something else's life force, life force, breath and blood

848
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: to offer in exchange for good, you know what I mean.

849
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: And that's really truly what it is. This is why

850
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: you hear stories about like in Hollywood with them sacrificing children,

851
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: that's a bigger sacrifice. I don't know nothing about it,

852
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: but I know, but the story sacrifice. You hear about

853
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: these sacrifices, like these late people sacrificing children. But he's

854
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: just like, why wouldn't they sacrifice animals? Because to them

855
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: that's a more even more pure, even more pure, and

856
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: it's a bigger, bigger sacrifice. Like I was looking up

857
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: that story. So that shit is crazy.

858
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: Crazy, That's not me. I'm like waited to know.

859
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: Me and cousin Chris be going down the little.

860
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: The whole pizza gate, it's very dark pizza gate.

861
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: What the pizza Gate? A very dark scandal, but it's

862
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: there's some darkness.

863
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: I believe that they are sacrificing children.

864
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: I do.

865
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: There's a lot of children missing that are never found again.

866
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it's a it's a fact. The

867
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: sex trafficking, the black market, there's dark.

868
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna put no ship past no body.

869
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: I am almost three thousand percent sure hot like and

870
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm a aready conspiracy theorist bitch. However bad I think

871
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: it is, it's probably more worse, and people who are

872
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: under the guys that, like humanity cares about each other,

873
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: this government cares about each other. You're sadly confused because

874
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: they're killing us in front of our eyes without care.

875
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: They're giving our children fucked.

876
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: But we had nothing to say on the story.

877
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: Was it the story of Moses when the man was

878
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: killing all those baby boys and Moses was saved down

879
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: the river and his mommy put him in the river, right,

880
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: nobody said nothing about the Nigga and the Bible who

881
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: killed them killers? Because he didn't because they were I

882
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: think they were only they were killing boys.

883
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: They are just girls keeping boys.

884
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 2: Keeping all the girls and killing boys. And so his

885
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: mother put him in a basket so he wouldn't be killed.

886
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: But that was killing babies, you know what babies? You

887
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And so I like people pick

888
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: and choose what they want to be bothered by and

889
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: triggered by.

890
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: Like people read that story in the Bible and.

891
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: Feel like that's the whole some story, like wow, yeah

892
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: Jesus Moses, Yeah.

893
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: But you know what I mean.

894
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: But see, uh, someone in Haiti's sacrifice and whatever for

895
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: protection over their family and an animal, and they're gonna

896
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: probably dressed out in this demonic and it's evil. But

897
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: why wasn't you know, like, why is that story not talking?

898
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: They were sacrificing kids.

899
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: How about their sacrificing you just for the fact, for

900
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: the mirror money that they can't even die with.

901
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: Well, well, it's just another added layer to the propaganda

902
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 4: of black people are savages, right, Like it's that's it's

903
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 4: that whole idea that we're savages, that we are murderers,

904
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 4: that we are dirty, jungle on dirty like that.

905
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that we have all these dirty practices, dirt

906
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 2: than the white man.

907
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: Listen, there's no one in history dirty or than the

908
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: white man. No one in history has more blood in

909
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: their hands than the fucking Anglo saxon white man. It's

910
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: a fact. If it makes you uncomfortable, look up history worldwide.

911
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: Babies always said they're like white people walking around scared

912
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: of us.

913
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: It's like, nigga, I'm scared.

914
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: We're scaredy.

915
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: We do not have a history of killing white people,

916
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: like they do not have a history of black people

917
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: nowhere on earth have a history of just killing white people,

918
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: taking white people against their will, and doing anything to them.

919
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: But if we do, they walk around in fear of us.

920
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: And if we didn't be justified, you know what I mean.

921
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 2: And that's like if black people woke up and really

922
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: did what what y'all did, we were you know, we

923
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: would be a different conversation. It's just like, how dare

924
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: y'all have the audacity that it's not our nature fear

925
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: of nature? Because we are of this planet, we are

926
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: of earf we are of nature, we are of spirituality.

927
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: So even when we are we do have those feelings

928
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: of hate, we don't exhibit that hate in the ways

929
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: that they exhibit this hate that came from no fucking

930
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: weear like, you know.

931
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, and it will make a lot of people

932
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and like, but even that, like, even that hate

933
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: has to be transmuted because sometimes I'm like, you have

934
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: get transmuted because white people have like that makes me

935
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: angry and then of course I'm a black woman, but

936
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: like that I realize it even has to be transmuted

937
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: because that just like in any other situation, like you

938
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: can't let darkness make you dark, you know, Like.

939
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: So how you say, like it makes you angry, like

940
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: and we're gas lighted into making you feel like we

941
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: shouldn't be angry.

942
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: You're okay, it's so long ago.

943
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: Chill out.

944
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: It wasn't you. It wasn't you.

945
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: I didn't do it. It wasn't my uncle and me.

946
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I love my kids are black.

947
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 3: You know you can. Best friend is black.

948
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: I have fourteen black cousins.

949
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you're gas sliding into thinking that it's

950
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: not that people deal so long ago. But it's like again,

951
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: especially as women are concerned womb to womb, it's something

952
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: that hasn't It's like it doesn't go away.

953
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: You feel the pain of your great great great great grandmother's.

954
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: Your children who were there, and things and trauma and

955
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 2: rape and all kinds of things.

956
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: Like like dark ship, your past to be taken from you.

957
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: Can you fucking imagine? And you can't kill that that.

958
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: You can't that's crazy.

959
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's a lot of pain, that's a

960
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: lot of anger, you know, that's all. And I'm so grateful,

961
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: Like honestly, I'm grateful to be amongst other women who

962
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: are transmuting that, yeah, and celebrating our existence just rebellious

963
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: acts of pleasure, you know, and like that's what we're

964
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: here for, to be like bad bitches and smoke ween

965
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: and drink wine and live our soft life. Smoke and

966
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: drink wine and be powerful. God, it's just bitches, you

967
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But like that shit is important.

968
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: It's very important because we've we've, we've we've, we've gone

969
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: through a lot of shit, our people, our babies, Like

970
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: it is a fact. And that's why I, like, I

971
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: really want to live it up this life. You've got

972
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: to run it up so we can get running up.

973
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: And like I just feel like women like I just.

974
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 4: Connecting to the earth, Like I just I think that

975
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 4: in my time here, if I'm gonna do anything, I

976
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: want to learn how to really connect to all of

977
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: like my elements so that I can channel and receive

978
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 4: information because I know that it's there, it's all around us,

979
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 4: that we can all receive.

980
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: It if we are just really, yes.

981
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 4: Taking the time to build practices, whether that is voodoo,

982
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 4: whether that is whatever the fuck it is.

983
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: For you, whether it's not no title on it.

984
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

985
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: You know what I tell black women in my classes too, Like,

986
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: as black women, you have access to it all. You

987
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: have access to it all. You literally just have to

988
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: ask the right questions. You actually have to dig. You

989
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: do have to dig you have to do some research,

990
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: but you have access. Every woman does not have access.

991
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: Every woman, every man does not have access. Black women,

992
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: we have access, you know, we have we can go.

993
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: We can enter those doors if we want to.

994
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: If you had five basic things that you can like

995
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: if someone was like, I want to build an altar,

996
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: what are five basic altar building basics that you can

997
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: give like tools.

998
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: So if you're going to build, let's say specifically an

999
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: ancestor alter, because I start with that in my courses,

1000
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: you cannot do nothing without them. First, I would always

1001
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: have there's always have a white sheet pictures and items

1002
00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: of your ancestors.

1003
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: If you have pictures, if you have, Maybe some of

1004
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: this conversation needs to be on Patreon, but.

1005
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: I've already decided that one. Yeah, but.

1006
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: An after dark because a bit just could get very deep. Well, yeah,

1007
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: can you tell our people where they can find you.

1008
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: I'm so thank well. First of all, thank you so

1009
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: much for coming on. Our show is so good and

1010
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,120
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1011
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,759
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1013
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1015
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1020
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1025
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1026
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1027
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Speaker 2: Good Vibrantreet. We're going to Costa Rica in July, so

1032
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: we have two days to choose from come out, come chill,

1033
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: come relax, come tap in, come tap into the elements.

1034
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 4: The nature's our practices, the practices that we're sharing with

1035
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 4: that other people are coming into share. I'm just really

1036
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 4: excited because Costa Rica is like.

1037
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Speaker 1: It's calling me.

1038
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: It's home anyway.

1039
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 4: I love you, guys, I love you, I love you

1040
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