WEBVTT - Iran Contra: Episode 3 - Contra Dance

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<v Speaker 1>Two days before Christmas in nineteen seventy two, the capital

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<v Speaker 1>city of Nicaragua was destroyed by an earthquake.

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<v Speaker 2>When daylight finally came, you could still see smoke billowing

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<v Speaker 2>over the city of Managua. The crews shook themselves and

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<v Speaker 2>began another long day of digging out and trying to

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<v Speaker 2>clear this city and stop the fires.

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<v Speaker 1>Bulldozers combed the streets in search of bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>The scent of the city has been utterly destroyed. Even

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<v Speaker 3>the few tall buildings which do remain will soon be

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<v Speaker 3>brought down by dynamite. Unofficial estimates of the dead are

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<v Speaker 3>running as high as five thousand, many of these.

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<v Speaker 1>As the city burned, Nicaragua's right wing dictator Anastasio Simosa,

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<v Speaker 1>declared martial law.

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<v Speaker 3>The army is now in full command of the city

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<v Speaker 3>and the country. General Simosa is overflying the city in

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<v Speaker 3>a US helicopter. He will personally direct the demolition operations

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<v Speaker 3>to level the city.

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<v Speaker 1>Simosa and his family had ruled over Nicaragua for decades,

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<v Speaker 1>always with the full backing of the United States, but

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<v Speaker 1>in the aftermath of the earthquake, the Samosa government was

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<v Speaker 1>accused of stockpiling foreign aid, mismanagement, and fraud. Simosa responded

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<v Speaker 1>to the criticism by tightening the screws on all forms

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<v Speaker 1>of descent.

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<v Speaker 4>The country felt increasingly militarized. As a child, you could

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<v Speaker 4>feel it.

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria Gonzales Rivera was growing up in Nicaragua during these

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<v Speaker 1>turbulent years after the earthquake. Today, she's a history professor

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<v Speaker 1>at San Diego State University. Gonzales Rivera remembers General Simosa

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<v Speaker 1>seeming all powerful. His control over Nicaragua was embodied by

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<v Speaker 1>the constant presence of his armed loyalists, the National Guard.

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<v Speaker 4>They wore their uniforms, you know, these olive green uniforms.

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<v Speaker 4>They were everywhere. I remember, for example, at one point

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<v Speaker 4>a National Guards member shot someone, a civilian, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>on my street, and I heard the shot, and of course,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, adults just made me go inside the house,

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<v Speaker 4>and later on I could still see the blood on

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<v Speaker 4>the road, and the violence just became really, really widespread.

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<v Speaker 1>The Samosa government's increasing authoritarianism and corruption gave rise to

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<v Speaker 1>a popular opposition movement. A socialist revolutionary group started to

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<v Speaker 1>gain momentum.

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<v Speaker 5>The Sandinista National Liberation Front or FSLN, is named after

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<v Speaker 5>the nineteen twenties nationalist leader Augusto Sandino.

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<v Speaker 1>As the Samosa As regime grew more brutal, the FSLN,

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<v Speaker 1>also known as the Sandinistas, evolved into a cohesive force

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<v Speaker 1>with real military strength.

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<v Speaker 5>The Sandonist gorillas have launched what they called their final offensive.

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<v Speaker 5>With the recent development of fighting in Managua for anoun

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<v Speaker 5>signs that Washington will start to priss Moore openly Forsmoza's resignation.

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<v Speaker 1>In July of nineteen seventy nine, they deposed Simosa and

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<v Speaker 1>declared a new government in Nicaragua.

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<v Speaker 6>By midmorning here in Managua, Sandinista gorillas were coming.

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<v Speaker 1>In from every direction.

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<v Speaker 6>On Many of the tough young gorillas were raised in

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<v Speaker 6>the four sections of this country were support for the

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<v Speaker 6>Sandinista movement has been the strongest, and it.

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<v Speaker 7>Was the poor people in the capitol.

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<v Speaker 6>Who filled the breach today the Greek, the winners of

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<v Speaker 6>the eighteen month old war.

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<v Speaker 8>It wasn't long before the Gorilla.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sandinista government started implementing its policy agenda, including a

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<v Speaker 1>slate of social programs in public health and education, and

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time in years, it felt as though

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<v Speaker 1>peace was coming to Nicaragua.

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<v Speaker 4>Right after the revolution, there was some euphoria the literacy campaign,

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<v Speaker 4>vaccination campaigns. That was really safe, you know, I remember

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<v Speaker 4>that really clearly, Like you could be out in the

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<v Speaker 4>street really late, and it felt so safe. There was

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<v Speaker 4>a sense of there being sort of endless possibilities.

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<v Speaker 1>But the euphoria didn't last long. The Sandinistas quickly encountered

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<v Speaker 1>resistance from Nicaraguans who were unhappy with the new government.

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<v Speaker 1>That included former Somosa supporters and rural laborers who were

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<v Speaker 1>forced into collective farming. Several groups of counter revolutionaries started

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<v Speaker 1>popping up all over the country. Collectively, they were called

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<v Speaker 1>the Contras, and soon a new armed conflict was brewing

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<v Speaker 1>in Nicaragua.

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<v Speaker 9>The so called Contras claim an army of ten thousand,

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<v Speaker 9>with more joining every day.

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<v Speaker 4>The Contra War started fairly soon after seventy nine. So

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<v Speaker 4>it became a vicious circle of sorts where the Sandinistas

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<v Speaker 4>justified the authoritarianism because it was wartime.

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<v Speaker 8>They have shut down the only opposition newspaper five times,

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<v Speaker 8>They've postponed election, outlawed strikes, and jailed some of their opponents.

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<v Speaker 4>And then more people then turned away because of the authoritarianism.

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<v Speaker 4>It just felt like never ending war.

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<v Speaker 9>The largest of the rebel groups has extended its control

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<v Speaker 9>from a sliver around the Hunduran border to several advanced

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<v Speaker 9>locations in the center of Nicaragua. They say the war

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<v Speaker 9>will continue until the Sandinistas are gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as the Sandinistas were coming to power in Nicaragua,

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<v Speaker 1>a presidential election was getting under way in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States for Ronald Reagan, the Republican nominee. The spread of

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<v Speaker 1>communism to a Central American nation looked like a serious threat.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is Doyle McManus, who covered the Contra War for

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<v Speaker 1>the Los Angeles Times and co authored the book Landslide.

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<v Speaker 10>It was owned only five years after the United States

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<v Speaker 10>lost the Vietnam War, and in those five years, the

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<v Speaker 10>perception on the American right was that the United States

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<v Speaker 10>was in headlong retreat. All over the world, and that

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<v Speaker 10>the Soviet Union was winning everywhere, and there was in

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<v Speaker 10>effect a new Domino theory that first Nicaragua, then l Salvador,

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<v Speaker 10>then perhaps Guatemala, Honduras, and you are on the border

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<v Speaker 10>of Mexico, and suddenly we have a new problem of

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<v Speaker 10>communist regimes right up to our border.

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<v Speaker 1>At the nineteen eighty Republican Convention, the GOP added a

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<v Speaker 1>plank to its platform affirming the party's support for a

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<v Speaker 1>free and independent government in Nicaragua. Reagan drove the point

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<v Speaker 1>home when he accepted his party's nomination.

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<v Speaker 11>The United States has an obligation to its citizens and

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<v Speaker 11>to the people of the world, never to let those

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<v Speaker 11>who would destroy freedom dictate the future course of life

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<v Speaker 11>on this planet.

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<v Speaker 1>As President, Reagan made no secret of his disdain for

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<v Speaker 1>the Sandinistas, but most Americans were opposed to the United

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<v Speaker 1>States getting involved in yet another proxy war abroad. One

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<v Speaker 1>poll in nineteen eighty three found that sixty six percent

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<v Speaker 1>of Americans feared that a US intervention in Nicaragua would

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<v Speaker 1>turn into a repeat of Vietnam. That anxiety underpinned a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of American politics in the seventies and eighties. It

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<v Speaker 1>was known as Vietnam syndrome.

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<v Speaker 5>Congressional critics warn of another Vietnam and say it's time

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<v Speaker 5>for the US to keep its hands off.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there now a.

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<v Speaker 11>Kind of Vietnam phobia, a predisposition against the use of

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<v Speaker 11>military force, a presumption that that is wrong and has

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<v Speaker 11>to be proved right the old Mark Twain anecdote, a

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<v Speaker 11>cat that jumps on a hot stove not only will

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<v Speaker 11>not jump on a hot stove, won't jump on any

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<v Speaker 11>stove at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Even some of his fellow Republicans broke from Reagan on

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<v Speaker 1>the Sandinista question. They agreed that democracy in Nicaragua would

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<v Speaker 1>be a good thing, but they didn't want the US

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<v Speaker 1>getting its hands dirty by helping the Contras make it happen.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think President Reagan has convinced some of the

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<v Speaker 3>most powerful members, even of his own.

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<v Speaker 4>Party, that it is really a Marxist struggle down there,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's the US versus the Kamis. It is a

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<v Speaker 4>very comminateduation.

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<v Speaker 1>But Reagan and his top advisors did not harbor any

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<v Speaker 1>doubts about what was going on down in Central America.

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<v Speaker 1>By the same logic that would lead to the invasion

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<v Speaker 1>of Grenada. Nicaragua looked poised to turn into a Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>outpost in the Western Hemisphere if something wasn't done.

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<v Speaker 10>Think about the big issues the Middle East, the Soviet

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<v Speaker 10>Union at the time, the Cold War. They went on

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<v Speaker 10>endlessly and there was nothing there you could solve. But

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<v Speaker 10>here was a theater where someone sitting in the White

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<v Speaker 10>House or the Defense Department or the State Department could say,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, we actually do have enough power to fix

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<v Speaker 10>this problem, if we only dare to use it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicaragua was a problem Reagan thought he could solve. The

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelming opposition of the American people was an obstacle, but

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't insurmountable. Maybe the United States could help the

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<v Speaker 1>Nicaragua in contras without anyone finding out about it. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan could set the Soviets BACKUPEG in Central America and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody would ever have to know. I'm Leon Nathalk from

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<v Speaker 1>Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is fiasco Iran Contra.

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<v Speaker 1>The Reagan administration secret war in Nicaragua.

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<v Speaker 11>Covert activities being engaged in uncovertly cannot be justified.

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<v Speaker 12>The administration is going into high gear to salvage its

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<v Speaker 12>policies on Central America.

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<v Speaker 11>We cannot turn our backs on this crisis at our doorstick.

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<v Speaker 9>No longer can we so easily bear witness to the

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<v Speaker 9>standards of international law.

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<v Speaker 6>The Sandinistas can hold out forever, but the US Congress cannot.

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<v Speaker 1>Episode three Contra Dance. How the Reagan administration forged a

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<v Speaker 1>secret military alliance with the Contra fighters in Nicaragua, and

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<v Speaker 1>what happened when Congress tried to stop them. We'll be

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<v Speaker 1>right back. Anthony Quainton started his mission as the US

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<v Speaker 1>Ambassador to Nicaragua in March of nineteen eighty two. Given

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan's intense interest in Nicaragua, Quainton knew the job would

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<v Speaker 1>put him in the spotlight, but he didn't expect the

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<v Speaker 1>headaches to start quite as immediately as they did.

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<v Speaker 13>When I arrived, I climbed off the plane from Miami

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<v Speaker 13>to be greeted by cameras, clea lights, microphones, and there

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<v Speaker 13>were some hopes that maybe a new ambassador would bring

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<v Speaker 13>a new approach.

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<v Speaker 1>It turned out that while Quainton was in the air

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<v Speaker 1>flying from Miami to Monagua, Contra forces had blown up

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<v Speaker 1>two bridges as part of their war on the Sandinistas.

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<v Speaker 6>The chief reason for the imposition of the state of

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<v Speaker 6>emergency was the sabotage of two Nicaragua bridges by anti

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<v Speaker 6>government guerrillas.

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<v Speaker 1>And according to the government led by Daniel Ortega, the

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<v Speaker 1>CIA had been in on the plot.

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<v Speaker 6>Military leaders here are telling the people they must be

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<v Speaker 6>prepared for a US backed invasion.

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<v Speaker 13>I was confronted with questions, which began more or less

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<v Speaker 13>as follows. Mister, Ambassador Daniel Ortega has declared a state

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<v Speaker 13>of emergency because the CIA has blown up the bridges

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<v Speaker 13>connecting Nicaragua and Honduras. What do you think about this

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<v Speaker 13>start to your investorship?

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<v Speaker 1>Quentin didn't quite know what to say. He didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>anything about a CIA operation to blow up bridges in Nicaragua. Officially,

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<v Speaker 1>the Reagan administration was exercising restraint in its opposition to

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<v Speaker 1>the Sandinistas. Officially they were holding back from joining the

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<v Speaker 1>contra war.

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<v Speaker 13>And I had to think very quickly because I had

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<v Speaker 13>not been briefed on the operation, nor did I expect

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<v Speaker 13>any particular clandestine operation would be time to with my arrival.

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<v Speaker 13>So I don't know whether I mumbled. I tried not

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<v Speaker 13>to mumble, but to suggest that these were very difficult issues,

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<v Speaker 13>and I look forward to discussing them with Commandante Ortega

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<v Speaker 13>and others.

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<v Speaker 6>The newly appointed US Ambassador, Anthony Quainton is now a Nicaragua.

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<v Speaker 6>He says he wants to try to decrease the level

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<v Speaker 6>of tension.

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<v Speaker 1>That was only the first time Quainton would find himself

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<v Speaker 1>caught between the Reagan administration he was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>representing in the Nicaraguin leaders he was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>working with. The awkwardness was never more palpable than when

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<v Speaker 1>the Sandinistas sang their anthem in Quaintan's presence. The hymn

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<v Speaker 1>of the Sandinistas was sung at nearly every official function

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<v Speaker 1>and referred to the Yankee enemy of mankind.

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<v Speaker 13>So every time they sang an Imigo del money, that

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<v Speaker 13>enemy of humanity, it was a dilemma. I mean, at

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<v Speaker 13>what point would I should I be? Was I expected

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<v Speaker 13>to be visibly in opposition? It was a constant question

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<v Speaker 13>for me.

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<v Speaker 1>The tension over the Contra War escalated in the fall

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty two when Newsweek ran a blockbuster cover

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<v Speaker 1>story about CIA covert operations being coordinated out of Honduras

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<v Speaker 1>along the Nicaragua border.

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<v Speaker 6>Newsweek's cover story this week is an extraordinary exclusive report

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<v Speaker 6>on the Reagan administration secret war in Nicaragua.

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<v Speaker 14>There are a number of different types of operations in

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<v Speaker 14>what is generally perceived to be a war of nerves.

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<v Speaker 1>Newsweek reported that some fifty CIA operatives were working in

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<v Speaker 1>Central America to undermine the Sandinistas. The Contras only had

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<v Speaker 1>about twelve thousand guerrilla soldiers, but according to Newsweek, Reagan

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<v Speaker 1>had approved a CIA plan to help them. It entailed

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<v Speaker 1>relatively modest activities like repairing equipment and disrupting Sandinista supply chains,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also involved training Contra forces and helping them

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<v Speaker 1>plan attacks. According to many of the US officials quoted

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<v Speaker 1>in the Newsweek story, these efforts were ineffective, risky, and

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<v Speaker 1>deeply embarrassing. One official said, this is our bay of pigs.

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<v Speaker 1>The contract didn't come across well in the article either.

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<v Speaker 1>One Contra officer was quoted saying that come the counter revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>there will be a massacre in Nicaragua. We have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of scores to settle, and there will be bodies

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<v Speaker 1>from the border to Monagua. Here's one of the authors

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<v Speaker 1>of the Newsweek story giving a radio interview about her piece.

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<v Speaker 14>The policy may in fact have the opposite effect of

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<v Speaker 14>that which is intended. In other words, it may consolidate

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<v Speaker 14>what little support remains for the Sandinistas. As one person

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<v Speaker 14>told me in Minaugua earlier this summer, just because we

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<v Speaker 14>want these bastards out doesn't mean we want the old

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<v Speaker 14>bastards back.

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<v Speaker 1>The Newsweek's story put a lot of heat on Reagan

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<v Speaker 1>and the CIA.

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<v Speaker 3>The COVID operation in Central America has drawn sharp criticism

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<v Speaker 3>on Capitol Hill.

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<v Speaker 9>I've told the President I feel that he makes a

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<v Speaker 9>foreign policy mistake if he wants to substitute COVID activity

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<v Speaker 9>for a good foreign policy.

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<v Speaker 1>Opposite position to Reagan's secret medaling in Nicaragua was led

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<v Speaker 1>by Democratic Congressman Edward P. Boland.

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<v Speaker 8>House Intelligence Committee Chairman Edward Boland has made it almost

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<v Speaker 8>a personal crusade to cut off CIA financing for guerrillas

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<v Speaker 8>in Nicaragua.

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<v Speaker 1>Boland was appalled that the administration was trying to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>congressional oversight in order to pursue a secret agenda. Boland

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to rein in the rogue executive branch.

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<v Speaker 8>He argues, the Reagan administration is trying to overthrow the

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<v Speaker 8>Nicaraguan government with the gorillas and the US support for them,

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<v Speaker 8>makes this country the meddler the bully in the region.

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<v Speaker 1>Another congressman had proposed a blanket ban on all military

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<v Speaker 1>aid to the Contras, but Boland wanted to find a

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<v Speaker 1>compromise that Reagan would be willing to sign, so he

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<v Speaker 1>suggested an amendment to the Defense budget that would specifically

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<v Speaker 1>forbid the CIA from sending military aid to anyone seeking

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<v Speaker 1>to overthrow the Sandinista government, which is to say, the

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<v Speaker 1>CIA could help the Contras as long as they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>doing it with the intention of bringing about regime change.

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<v Speaker 1>The law came to be called the bowl In Amendment,

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<v Speaker 1>and it passed the House unanimously with overwhelming support from

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<v Speaker 1>both Democrats and Republicans. Here again is La Times reporter

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<v Speaker 1>Doyle McManus.

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<v Speaker 10>As long as they said the purpose of this operation,

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<v Speaker 10>the purpose of this arms shipment is not to overthrow

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<v Speaker 10>the government of Nicaragua, they figured they were in the clear.

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<v Speaker 10>So the CIA saw that as the biggest loophole that

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<v Speaker 10>they could drive arms trucks through that they had ever seen,

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<v Speaker 10>and that's exactly what they did.

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<v Speaker 8>So for now, the administration feels free to pursue what

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<v Speaker 8>some here feel are rather uncovert covert activities in Nicaragua.

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<v Speaker 1>The debate over the Bolan Amendment coincided with the major

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<v Speaker 1>pr push by the Reagan administration. They wanted to galvanize

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<v Speaker 1>support for the contrast among American lawmakers and to get

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<v Speaker 1>regular Americans excited about the contract cause. To that end,

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA set about finding a group of counter revolutionary

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<v Speaker 1>who could represent Nicaragua's anti communist movement, and if they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't find one, they would settle for creating one.

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<v Speaker 10>There was in the Reagan administration a kind of generalized

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<v Speaker 10>search for good guys. We could back that if you

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<v Speaker 10>wanted to organize and mobilize American public support for this

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<v Speaker 10>great crusade against Soviet Communism, you needed some heroes, You

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<v Speaker 10>needed some good guys, and so that was an important

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<v Speaker 10>part of the narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>Selecting members for this contra organization was kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>putting together a boy band. The perfect number of people

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<v Speaker 1>to serve in the group was seven. It would include

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<v Speaker 1>a businessman, a politician, and a doctor. The CIA was

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<v Speaker 1>looking for Nicaraguan anti communists with good reputations, people who

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<v Speaker 1>weren't associated with the brutality of the Samosa National Guard.

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<v Speaker 1>The new seven person directorate was going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>public face of an entity called the Nicaraguan Democratic Force,

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<v Speaker 1>the FDN.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, my life called many, many ups and downs, or

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<v Speaker 15>ins and out.

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<v Speaker 1>Edgar Chamorro moved to Miami from Monagua in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of the Sandinista Revolution. Chamorro was born to one of

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<v Speaker 1>Nicaragua's most powerful and well connected families. There were multiple

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<v Speaker 1>former presidents of Nicaragua and the Chamorrow family tree, but

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<v Speaker 1>Edgar never felt the poll of politics. After a short

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<v Speaker 1>stint as a Jesuit priest, he founded an advertising agency

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<v Speaker 1>and made ads from breweries, rum distilleries, and car dealerships.

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<v Speaker 1>After he moved to Miami, Chamorrow became more interested in

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<v Speaker 1>his home country's politics. He didn't doubt that the Sandinistas

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<v Speaker 1>genuinely wanted to help people, but he thought their plans

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<v Speaker 1>for transforming the country were too radical. He started attending

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<v Speaker 1>meetings in the homes of other Nicaragua expats who were

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<v Speaker 1>critical of the Sandinista government.

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<v Speaker 15>When I started attending groups that were interesting what was

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<v Speaker 15>going on, I followed very closely, and I went to

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<v Speaker 15>many meetings and I heard things that people were sending

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<v Speaker 15>weapons or even hunting rifles. I heard stories like that.

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<v Speaker 1>The meetings were pretty informal. What could a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>people sitting in the living room in Miami we do

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<v Speaker 1>about a government a thousand miles away. But then at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of nineteen eighty two, Tomorrow got a mysterious

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<v Speaker 1>phone call.

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<v Speaker 15>He spoke with a very solemn or gravitas, like somebody

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<v Speaker 15>who has power or something. He said us speaking on

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<v Speaker 15>behalf of high authority of the government.

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<v Speaker 1>The man said his name was Steve Davis, and he

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<v Speaker 1>invited Tomorrow to lunch.

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<v Speaker 15>He already had chosen a restaur and we went there.

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<v Speaker 15>But he looked like a very sharp, well dressed like

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<v Speaker 15>politician or Washington executive or business executive. He was well dressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Tomorrow came to believe that Steve Davis was an agent

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<v Speaker 1>of the CIA. He invited Chamorro to join the new

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<v Speaker 1>FDN Directorate, and Chamorrow accepted the offer. About a month later,

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<v Speaker 1>he and the other members of the Directorate gathered for

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<v Speaker 1>a press conference at a hotel near Fort Lauderdale. There

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<v Speaker 1>they would introduce the new Contra brand to the world.

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<v Speaker 15>There was a long table with aposion. We all very

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<v Speaker 15>just stop. I had to buy best suit or best usual.

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<v Speaker 13>You know.

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<v Speaker 15>Everybody looked very sharp, and so it was like a

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<v Speaker 15>meeting for something in olive or something.

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<v Speaker 1>The Americans overseeing the directorate briefed Tomorrow and the others

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<v Speaker 1>on what they should say to the public and more importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>what they absolutely should not say. The main thing was

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<v Speaker 1>to never, under any circumstances let it slip they had

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<v Speaker 1>received help or even been in contact with anyone from

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<v Speaker 1>the American government. At one point during the press conference,

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<v Speaker 1>a reporter asked whether the group had any supporters who

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<v Speaker 1>were fits in Nicaragua. We do have people, chamorro' said many.

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<v Speaker 15>I knew all that I was not telling them the truth.

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<v Speaker 15>I mean, it was so fake in that sense, but

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<v Speaker 15>dous the way the American want us to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon, Chamorro moved to Honduras to be closer to where

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<v Speaker 1>most of the contras were based. At a salary of

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand dollars per month plus expenses, he was put

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of communications and pr Among his responsibilities was

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<v Speaker 1>giving interviews to international newspapers and TV reporters. He also

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<v Speaker 1>worked on propaganda. One of the most consequential projects Chamorro

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<v Speaker 1>helped with was an eighty eight page guide called Psychological

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<v Speaker 1>Operations in Guerrilla Warfare. It was intended for distribution among

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<v Speaker 1>contra leadership on the ground, but when Chamorro looked over

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<v Speaker 1>the final draft of the text, he was deeply disturbed.

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<v Speaker 1>Under the heading selective use of violence for propagandistic effects,

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<v Speaker 1>he read the following line, it is possible to neutralize

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<v Speaker 1>carefully selected and planned targets such as court judges, police

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<v Speaker 1>and state security officials.

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<v Speaker 15>And I started reading the booklet and I got very upset.

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<v Speaker 15>It says very clearly neutralize, a word that sounds neutral,

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<v Speaker 15>but it's not neutral at all. It means eliminating people

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<v Speaker 15>who are capable, or leaders of unions or whatever. So

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<v Speaker 15>he wasn't recommending selective assassination.

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<v Speaker 1>Tomorrow knew from that very first FDN press conference in

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<v Speaker 1>Florida that American agents might ask him to bite his

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<v Speaker 1>tongue or even lie in service of the contract. Cause

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<v Speaker 1>now Tomorrow just felt like a puppet of the US government.

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<v Speaker 1>That feeling was reinforced when in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>night on January fifth, nineteen eighty four, he was awakened

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<v Speaker 1>by a call from a CIA operative.

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<v Speaker 15>It was a late at night. I was called and

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<v Speaker 15>I was told it was something very important I have

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<v Speaker 15>to do right now. Or who was an origin matter?

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<v Speaker 1>The agent told Chamorrow that bombs had been placed in

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<v Speaker 1>Nicaraguan harbors. The idea had been to scare off commercial

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<v Speaker 1>ships from other countries that were doing business with the Sandinistas.

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<v Speaker 1>Chamorrow had to get on the radio right away and

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<v Speaker 1>announce on air that the contrast had been behind the operation.

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<v Speaker 15>And then he gave me this page that I was

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<v Speaker 15>supposed to read. I was asked to cover it up. Basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Three months later, the Wall Street Journal told the world

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<v Speaker 1>who was actually responsible for planning the harbor bombing operation.

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<v Speaker 8>US government sources confirmed tonight that the Central Intelligence Agency

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<v Speaker 8>is actively directing the mining of Nicaragua harbors.

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<v Speaker 7>The government of Nicaragua opened Puerto Corinto to foreign journalists.

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<v Speaker 3>Today.

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<v Speaker 1>Military leaders at the port say it.

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<v Speaker 7>Was done to show the world that the US is

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<v Speaker 7>involved in so called terrorist acts.

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<v Speaker 4>The mines have been removed.

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<v Speaker 1>This was an enormous story. The harbor bombings were evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of direct military action taken by Americans in a foreign country.

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<v Speaker 12>Suddenly, the law and order president is being attacked around

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<v Speaker 12>the world and even by members of his own party

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<v Speaker 12>as a man who has no respect for law and order.

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<v Speaker 1>The backlash was swift and broad.

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<v Speaker 12>Nicaragua and some Democratic Congressmen are saying that US involvement

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<v Speaker 12>with that mining of the Nicaragua Harbor's constitutes an act

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<v Speaker 12>of war.

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<v Speaker 1>Even Barry Goldwater, the Republican Senator, was furious. Here's Doyle

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<v Speaker 1>McManus again.

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<v Speaker 10>Barry Goldwater, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, asked

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<v Speaker 10>the CIA what the hell was going on? And the

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<v Speaker 10>CIA's answer was, oh, we told you about this. And

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<v Speaker 10>Senator Goldwater was not happy because, as far as he knew,

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<v Speaker 10>he had never been told, and as far as most

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<v Speaker 10>of the members of the committee knew, they had never

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<v Speaker 10>been told. And Goldwater hit the ceiling.

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<v Speaker 1>Goldwater wrote a letter to the director of the CIA

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<v Speaker 1>to express his frustration that Congress had not been informed

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<v Speaker 1>of the operation. It gets down to one little simple phrase,

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<v Speaker 1>Goldwater wrote, I am pissed off. This was not just

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<v Speaker 1>about the contras and whether they deserved America's support. It

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<v Speaker 1>was about the separation of powers between the executive branch

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<v Speaker 1>and Congress. Lawmakers had used the power of the purse

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<v Speaker 1>to impose restrictions from the president's foreign policy objectives, and

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<v Speaker 1>the president had gone ahead and pursued those objectives. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>the controversy would have been a major headache under any circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>but this was erupting during Reagan's re election campaign.

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<v Speaker 11>My fellow Americans, much has been made of late regarding

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<v Speaker 11>our proper role in Central America and in particular toward Nicaragua.

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<v Speaker 11>We cannot turn our backs on this crisis at our doorstep.

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<v Speaker 1>The news went from bad to worse. A few days

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<v Speaker 1>before Reagan was set to debate his Democratic opponent, Walter Mondale,

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<v Speaker 1>the story of the Guerrilla Warfare Manual became public.

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<v Speaker 7>Controversy mounted over a CIA manual that offers advice to

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<v Speaker 7>rebels on care billing officials in Nicaragua.

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<v Speaker 8>In other words, that means assassination.

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<v Speaker 1>It was reported that pages explaining how to carry out

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<v Speaker 1>political assassinations have been part of the original document, the

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<v Speaker 1>same pages that had horrified Edgar Chimorro. Despite his misgivings,

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<v Speaker 1>Chimorro defended the manual in front of the cameras.

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<v Speaker 6>Rebel leader Edgar Chamorro says, in a guerrilla war sometimes

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<v Speaker 6>there's no choice for us.

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<v Speaker 15>It's legal in our Catholic tradition to assassinate tiets.

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<v Speaker 1>This prompted another flood of outrage. Here was documentary proof

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<v Speaker 1>that the US had a grand strategy to de stabilize Nicaragua,

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<v Speaker 1>a strategy that encouraged contrafighters to commit war crimes.

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<v Speaker 6>Nicaragua and rebel leaders have now acknowledged that some of

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<v Speaker 6>the manual's tactics, including political assassination, were followed by the commandos.

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<v Speaker 11>And that CIA officials not only knew about it, they

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<v Speaker 11>encouraged it.

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<v Speaker 1>During the debate with Mondale, Reagan was caught off guard

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<v Speaker 1>by a question about the CIA's operations in Nicaragua. In response,

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<v Speaker 1>once the Great Communicator made a slip up that you

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<v Speaker 1>really have to hear to believe.

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<v Speaker 14>Is this not, in effect our own states supported terrorism.

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<v Speaker 11>No, I'm glad you asked that question, because I know

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<v Speaker 11>it's on many people's minds. We have a gentleman down

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<v Speaker 11>in Nicaragua who is on contract to the CIA, advising

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<v Speaker 11>supposedly on military tactics the Contras, and he drew up

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<v Speaker 11>this manual. It was turned over to the agency head

0:27:41.830 --> 0:27:45.791
<v Speaker 11>of the CIA in Nicaragua to be printed, and a

0:27:45.870 --> 0:27:49.590
<v Speaker 11>number of pages were excised by that agency head there,

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<v Speaker 11>the man in charge.

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<v Speaker 7>Mister President, you are implying, then, that the CIA in

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<v Speaker 7>Nicaragua is directing the contras there.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm afraid I misspoke when I said a CIA head

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<v Speaker 11>in Nicaragua. There's not someone there directing all of this activity.

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<v Speaker 1>The Reagan campaign's internal polling numbers that night were a disaster,

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<v Speaker 1>but by the end of the week, nearly every poll

0:28:11.951 --> 0:28:15.350
<v Speaker 1>showed that Reagan had won the debate, in part because

0:28:15.350 --> 0:28:18.551
<v Speaker 1>the CIA exchange had been overshadowed by a much more

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<v Speaker 1>memorable one.

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<v Speaker 11>I will not make age an issue of this campaign.

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<v Speaker 11>I am not going to exploit for political purposes my

0:28:28.031 --> 0:28:29.951
<v Speaker 11>opponent's youth and inexperience.

0:28:34.671 --> 0:28:38.071
<v Speaker 1>In the end, Reagan was re elected by an astounding margin.

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<v Speaker 1>He won forty nine out of the fifty states.

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<v Speaker 11>A jubilant President Reagan today is savory and a re

0:28:44.311 --> 0:28:46.711
<v Speaker 11>election mandate of near record proportions.

0:28:46.831 --> 0:28:49.471
<v Speaker 14>Mister Reagan came just shy of the fifty states sweets.

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<v Speaker 1>But by this point lawmakers had already made their displeasure

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<v Speaker 1>with Reagan known. In response to the Harbour bombing operation,

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<v Speaker 1>Congress had strengthened the Bowland Amendments for the upcoming fiscal year.

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<v Speaker 10>The second Bowland Amendment basically said no money, no weapons,

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<v Speaker 10>no indirect aid, no advice, no nothing. The intelligence age

0:29:10.551 --> 0:29:14.031
<v Speaker 10>of the United States cannot get involved in this war,

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<v Speaker 10>and that presented the Reagan administration with a terrible problem.

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<v Speaker 10>The people the President wanted to support in Nicaragua had

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<v Speaker 10>no more access to the CIA or any other American

0:29:27.431 --> 0:29:29.871
<v Speaker 10>intelligence agency for help what to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do, But some members of the administration saw that as

0:29:33.191 --> 0:29:37.551
<v Speaker 1>another door left slightly open. The new and improved Bonone

0:29:37.591 --> 0:29:41.991
<v Speaker 1>Amendment specifically barred US intelligence agencies from supporting the conference,

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<v Speaker 1>but what exactly was the definition of an intelligence agency.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back. By the end of nineteen eighty four,

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<v Speaker 1>Oliver North was a rising star on the National Security

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<v Speaker 1>Council staff. He'd been assigned to the NFC in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty one, partly because Reagan was trying to shrink the

0:30:08.631 --> 0:30:10.911
<v Speaker 1>cost of the federal government, and it was cheaper to

0:30:10.951 --> 0:30:15.911
<v Speaker 1>deputize military personnel than to hire new political staffers. North

0:30:15.991 --> 0:30:19.671
<v Speaker 1>was inexperienced and overextended, but he worked harder and longer

0:30:19.711 --> 0:30:22.951
<v Speaker 1>than almost anyone else to get up to speed. North

0:30:22.991 --> 0:30:24.671
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be the guy who could be relied on

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<v Speaker 1>to accomplish any task as superiors put in front of him.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to be indispensable. Here is Anne Roe, the

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<v Speaker 1>obituari's editor of The Economist, an author of the book Lives,

0:30:36.271 --> 0:30:38.311
<v Speaker 1>Lives and the Iran Contra Affair.

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<v Speaker 16>In his notebook, there's a rather nice little reference to

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<v Speaker 16>Isaiah six', eight the part where the lord, says who

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<v Speaker 16>AM i going to? Find who SHALL i? Send and

0:30:50.631 --> 0:30:53.671
<v Speaker 16>the obedient servant, says, HERE i am send. Me and

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<v Speaker 16>that was Something north was aware of all the. Time

0:30:56.631 --> 0:30:58.831
<v Speaker 16>he'd be the man who'd be available to, send and

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<v Speaker 16>he would.

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<v Speaker 1>Obey roe says that When north started at THE, nsc

0:31:05.271 --> 0:31:07.951
<v Speaker 1>he thought he'd be stuck in his office doing boring administrative.

0:31:07.991 --> 0:31:10.671
<v Speaker 1>Work but now he saw wo how he could be

0:31:10.711 --> 0:31:12.471
<v Speaker 1>involved in the exciting parts of foreign.

0:31:12.511 --> 0:31:16.871
<v Speaker 16>Policy he had an, office a set up completely like

0:31:16.991 --> 0:31:20.031
<v Speaker 16>secret agent's, office with the codes on the, door and

0:31:20.071 --> 0:31:23.151
<v Speaker 16>the five telephones and the secure, phone and the tempered

0:31:23.151 --> 0:31:26.031
<v Speaker 16>glass in the, windows and the huge, safe and heaven

0:31:26.031 --> 0:31:26.831
<v Speaker 16>knows what was in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Safe with the Second Bolon amendment about to go into,

0:31:30.311 --> 0:31:33.950
<v Speaker 1>effect The reagan administration needed someone who wasn't involved in

0:31:33.991 --> 0:31:37.431
<v Speaker 1>official intelligence activities to be in charge of organizing The.

0:31:37.471 --> 0:31:41.111
<v Speaker 1>Contras in their narrow reading of The New Bowlan, amendment

0:31:41.511 --> 0:31:45.751
<v Speaker 1>The National Security council wasn't technically an intelligence, agency so

0:31:45.991 --> 0:31:48.031
<v Speaker 1>they thought setting up shop in THE nsc was the

0:31:48.071 --> 0:31:51.191
<v Speaker 1>perfect way to get around the, restrictions And Oliver north

0:31:51.391 --> 0:31:52.791
<v Speaker 1>seemed like the right man for the.

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<v Speaker 16>Job norles had maps Of managua maps At nicaragua up

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<v Speaker 16>on his. Wall he would talk about how they were

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<v Speaker 16>going to be In monagula By. Christmas he was in

0:32:02.911 --> 0:32:05.511
<v Speaker 16>a way directing the battle from his. Desk as he.

0:32:05.551 --> 0:32:09.951
<v Speaker 1>Said north was put in charge of supplying The contra

0:32:10.271 --> 0:32:14.551
<v Speaker 1>with money for, weapons food and other, supplies but Without congressional,

0:32:14.551 --> 0:32:18.351
<v Speaker 1>funding the money had to come from somewhere. Else one

0:32:18.391 --> 0:32:23.111
<v Speaker 1>solution was to solicit donations from foreign. Countries these efforts

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<v Speaker 1>by The White house yielded huge piles of, cash including

0:32:26.471 --> 0:32:29.391
<v Speaker 1>millions of dollars From Saudi arabia and a ten million

0:32:29.471 --> 0:32:33.071
<v Speaker 1>dollar donation from The sultan Of. Brunei unfortunately for The,

0:32:33.071 --> 0:32:36.311
<v Speaker 1>contras that money was accidentally sent to the Wrong Swiss

0:32:36.351 --> 0:32:39.671
<v Speaker 1>bank account Because, north secretary wrote down the wrong routing.

0:32:39.751 --> 0:32:43.671
<v Speaker 1>Number another Way north got around The Bowland amendment was

0:32:43.711 --> 0:32:48.071
<v Speaker 1>by soliciting funds from, regular, old Wealthy. Republicans THE us

0:32:48.151 --> 0:32:50.991
<v Speaker 1>government wasn't allowed to pay for The contra's, weapons But

0:32:51.111 --> 0:32:54.831
<v Speaker 1>congress hadn't said anything about private. Citizens So north set

0:32:54.871 --> 0:32:58.271
<v Speaker 1>about wooing potential donors who believed in The contra's freedom fighting.

0:32:58.351 --> 0:33:02.230
<v Speaker 1>Cause to that, end he worked with a nonprofit called THE,

0:33:02.391 --> 0:33:06.791
<v Speaker 1>nepl The National endowment for The preservation Of. LIBERTY a

0:33:06.831 --> 0:33:10.271
<v Speaker 1>man Named carl Spitz channel from THE npl made the diligoustical.

0:33:10.351 --> 0:33:12.031
<v Speaker 1>Arrangements north was the.

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<v Speaker 16>Salesman these donors were particularly an interesting group of, people

0:33:16.431 --> 0:33:19.591
<v Speaker 16>and there's a whole group of true believers who are

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<v Speaker 16>generally quite elderly and female and very.

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<v Speaker 1>Rich one of those donors Was Ellen, garwood and she

0:33:27.711 --> 0:33:35.111
<v Speaker 1>was indeed, elderly, female and very. Rich garwood's anti communist

0:33:35.111 --> 0:33:38.071
<v Speaker 1>philanthropy was inspired by her, father who had worked in

0:33:38.111 --> 0:33:40.551
<v Speaker 1>The truman administration and was one of the architects of

0:33:40.591 --> 0:33:41.031
<v Speaker 1>The Marshall.

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<v Speaker 16>Plan they'd taken out for drinks And north joined them

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<v Speaker 16>in somewhere like the Hay Addams.

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<v Speaker 1>Hotel Here's garwood in nineteen eighty seven speaking about her

0:33:50.191 --> 0:33:51.311
<v Speaker 1>experience as A contra.

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<v Speaker 7>DONOR i met with him at the Hay Adams hotel

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<v Speaker 7>in the. Evening after, dinner The.

0:33:57.351 --> 0:33:59.311
<v Speaker 16>North would talk about the desperate plight of the.

0:33:59.351 --> 0:34:02.991
<v Speaker 7>Contrast he said that they were in such a bad

0:34:03.071 --> 0:34:08.111
<v Speaker 7>condition that they were out of, food madisone other, necessities

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<v Speaker 7>and also practically out of. Weapons they might cease to

0:34:12.671 --> 0:34:15.391
<v Speaker 7>exist if something weren't done about these various.

0:34:15.591 --> 0:34:18.830
<v Speaker 16>Needs he then decides he'll, go but before he, goes

0:34:18.831 --> 0:34:22.911
<v Speaker 16>he just slides a weapons price list onto the, table the.

0:34:23.111 --> 0:34:27.951
<v Speaker 7>List of weapons that they. NEEDED i love that the

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<v Speaker 7>list had different categories of, weapons had hand, GRENADES i, remember,

0:34:33.750 --> 0:34:40.671
<v Speaker 7>bullets cartridge, belts possibly surface to air, missiles and there

0:34:40.671 --> 0:34:44.911
<v Speaker 7>were quantities opposite each. Category and after that there was

0:34:45.031 --> 0:34:48.951
<v Speaker 7>a sum of money that was needed in order to

0:34:48.991 --> 0:34:51.031
<v Speaker 7>provide those weapons that those weapons would.

0:34:51.071 --> 0:34:54.551
<v Speaker 1>Cost the idea of helping The contras was as thrilling

0:34:54.551 --> 0:34:55.951
<v Speaker 1>to the donors as it was To.

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<v Speaker 16>NORTH i love the idea of these blue rinsed women

0:34:59.750 --> 0:35:03.991
<v Speaker 16>who know buying weapons to give to The. Contras and

0:35:04.671 --> 0:35:06.991
<v Speaker 16>one of them was so enthusiastic she wanted her name

0:35:07.031 --> 0:35:08.071
<v Speaker 16>put on a missile.

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<v Speaker 1>Potential donors were invited to attend special briefings in the

0:35:13.671 --> 0:35:17.750
<v Speaker 1>Old Executive office. Building north would give a slideshow presentation

0:35:18.270 --> 0:35:21.430
<v Speaker 1>showing photographs of The contras and the conditions they, faced

0:35:21.710 --> 0:35:24.310
<v Speaker 1>often including an image of A contra grave marked with a.

0:35:24.391 --> 0:35:28.750
<v Speaker 1>Cross some donors were so moved that they, cried but

0:35:29.151 --> 0:35:31.270
<v Speaker 1>they weren't always giving only out of the goodness of their.

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<v Speaker 16>Hearts if you gave more than three hundred thousand, dollars

0:35:34.471 --> 0:35:37.431
<v Speaker 16>you got an audience in The Oval office for fifteen,

0:35:37.471 --> 0:35:41.431
<v Speaker 16>minutes often one on. One and it's so interesting to.

0:35:41.511 --> 0:35:44.031
<v Speaker 16>Read how you know they went in there and really

0:35:44.071 --> 0:35:45.710
<v Speaker 16>Told reagan what they thought he ought to be doing

0:35:45.791 --> 0:35:49.591
<v Speaker 16>on foreign. Policy you, know it's the moment when citizens

0:35:49.591 --> 0:35:52.511
<v Speaker 16>and complete demeateurs are trying to make foreign policy and

0:35:52.551 --> 0:35:54.710
<v Speaker 16>shape it. Themselves they get the air of the president

0:35:54.750 --> 0:35:56.671
<v Speaker 16>and they tell him what he what he should.

0:35:56.750 --> 0:35:59.911
<v Speaker 1>Do the fundraising pitch painted The contra war as a

0:35:59.911 --> 0:36:04.270
<v Speaker 1>black and white, conflict a fight between democracy and, communism

0:36:04.791 --> 0:36:08.310
<v Speaker 1>good and, evil and that wasn't just a. Story north

0:36:08.311 --> 0:36:10.390
<v Speaker 1>And reagan told donors to try to get them to give.

0:36:10.431 --> 0:36:15.471
<v Speaker 1>Money it was a story they. Believed, meanwhile down In,

0:36:15.511 --> 0:36:19.151
<v Speaker 1>honduras some of The contras were making it awfully hard

0:36:19.151 --> 0:36:22.551
<v Speaker 1>to root for. Them here is An american nun who

0:36:22.591 --> 0:36:25.471
<v Speaker 1>lived In nicaragua talking to A tv reporter about the

0:36:25.551 --> 0:36:26.790
<v Speaker 1>lawless brutality of The.

0:36:26.791 --> 0:36:29.991
<v Speaker 14>Contras when we first came, here we visited forty eight.

0:36:30.031 --> 0:36:34.190
<v Speaker 14>Communities now we only visit thirty eight because the communities

0:36:34.190 --> 0:36:37.871
<v Speaker 14>have been wiped. Out many people have frightened as a

0:36:37.871 --> 0:36:39.431
<v Speaker 14>result of contractivity in this.

0:36:39.551 --> 0:36:43.750
<v Speaker 1>Area Edward chamorro couldn't stomach these, tactics and after just

0:36:43.791 --> 0:36:46.830
<v Speaker 1>a few years with THE fdn he grew profoundly.

0:36:46.831 --> 0:36:51.911
<v Speaker 15>Disillusioned part of my thing was the credibility. Problem how

0:36:51.951 --> 0:36:52.671
<v Speaker 15>we were committing.

0:36:52.710 --> 0:36:58.151
<v Speaker 1>Atrocities according To, chamorrow the contras were murdering, civilians raping,

0:36:58.151 --> 0:37:00.031
<v Speaker 1>women and destroying entire.

0:37:00.111 --> 0:37:03.270
<v Speaker 15>VILLAGES i don't believe in the anglify the. MEANS i

0:37:03.311 --> 0:37:05.391
<v Speaker 15>believe the means and the ends have to be.

0:37:05.471 --> 0:37:09.430
<v Speaker 1>Good chamorrow parted ways with THE fdn in nineteen eighty.

0:37:09.431 --> 0:37:12.991
<v Speaker 1>Four he returned to his family In miami and started

0:37:13.031 --> 0:37:14.391
<v Speaker 1>sharing his experiences with the.

0:37:14.391 --> 0:37:18.871
<v Speaker 15>Press this policy has not, work and direcord of The

0:37:18.911 --> 0:37:22.031
<v Speaker 15>contra is not. GOOD i think it's time to look

0:37:22.111 --> 0:37:23.991
<v Speaker 15>for a better and cleaner.

0:37:24.031 --> 0:37:28.591
<v Speaker 1>Approach chamorrow later settled In massachusetts and became a. Teacher,

0:37:32.431 --> 0:37:36.190
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile Victoria Gonzales rivera moved To michigan with her. Mother

0:37:37.311 --> 0:37:39.351
<v Speaker 1>it was hard for her to hear people In america

0:37:39.391 --> 0:37:43.071
<v Speaker 1>talk About nicaragua as some, hypothetical far away, place as

0:37:43.111 --> 0:37:45.151
<v Speaker 1>if the war was just part of a political, argument

0:37:46.111 --> 0:37:48.511
<v Speaker 1>and she was shocked by how Little americans seemed to

0:37:48.551 --> 0:37:50.190
<v Speaker 1>know about what was really going.

0:37:50.190 --> 0:37:54.270
<v Speaker 4>ON i felt that people in THE us were not just,

0:37:54.431 --> 0:37:59.471
<v Speaker 4>uninformed but were just so, naive very very. Naive people

0:37:59.671 --> 0:38:02.870
<v Speaker 4>wanted it to be a black and white. Story they

0:38:02.951 --> 0:38:05.751
<v Speaker 4>wanted it to, be you, know good guys and bad. Guys,

0:38:06.151 --> 0:38:10.071
<v Speaker 4>right over two percent Of nicaraua's population died between in

0:38:10.230 --> 0:38:14.991
<v Speaker 4>the mid seventies and nineteen Ninety and what you see

0:38:15.230 --> 0:38:21.631
<v Speaker 4>is just this, continuous CONTINUOUS us military and political and

0:38:21.671 --> 0:38:26.951
<v Speaker 4>financial involvement in this, tiny tiny. Country and it just

0:38:27.031 --> 0:38:30.591
<v Speaker 4>makes you, wonder like, why you, know what have Nicarong

0:38:30.671 --> 0:38:36.350
<v Speaker 4>ones done to deserve? This and there is no, answer you,

0:38:36.351 --> 0:38:39.631
<v Speaker 4>know as a nicarague and as a, historian there is no.

0:38:39.831 --> 0:38:47.151
<v Speaker 1>Answer by the summer of nineteen eighty, Five Oliver north's

0:38:47.190 --> 0:38:50.230
<v Speaker 1>secret campaign to funnel, money, weapons and supplies to The

0:38:50.270 --> 0:38:53.631
<v Speaker 1>contras was going full steam, ahead but it wasn't quite

0:38:53.671 --> 0:38:56.511
<v Speaker 1>a secret as he. Thought here again Is doyle.

0:38:56.591 --> 0:39:00.831
<v Speaker 10>McManus there were enough reporters In washington following The Contra

0:39:00.951 --> 0:39:04.830
<v Speaker 10>war that they began to realize That Ali north had

0:39:04.951 --> 0:39:07.511
<v Speaker 10>something to do with. It they didn't know exactly what it,

0:39:07.591 --> 0:39:10.351
<v Speaker 10>was but in the middle of nineteen eighty five a

0:39:10.431 --> 0:39:14.310
<v Speaker 10>number of articles in newspapers said That Ollie north and

0:39:14.351 --> 0:39:18.310
<v Speaker 10>The White house were somehow involved with The, contras and

0:39:18.391 --> 0:39:20.151
<v Speaker 10>at that Point congress got.

0:39:20.190 --> 0:39:26.551
<v Speaker 1>Interested members Of congress started writing letters To National Security

0:39:26.551 --> 0:39:29.750
<v Speaker 1>Advisor bud McFarlane asking what exactly was going on With

0:39:29.791 --> 0:39:33.071
<v Speaker 1>Oliver north and whether THE nsc was violating The Boland.

0:39:33.071 --> 0:39:37.911
<v Speaker 10>Amendment and McFarlane sat down and wrote a formal, reply

0:39:38.710 --> 0:39:41.591
<v Speaker 10>and it, said in, PART i can state with deep

0:39:41.591 --> 0:39:45.470
<v Speaker 10>personal conviction that at no time DID i or any

0:39:45.511 --> 0:39:49.191
<v Speaker 10>member of THE nsc staff violate the letter or spirit

0:39:49.270 --> 0:39:53.831
<v Speaker 10>of the. Law these were breathtakingly false. Denials he knew

0:39:53.831 --> 0:39:55.190
<v Speaker 10>that what he was writing was a.

0:39:55.230 --> 0:39:59.351
<v Speaker 1>Lie McFarlane met with members of The House Intelligence committee in,

0:39:59.431 --> 0:40:03.271
<v Speaker 1>person and his responses reassured the committee chairman that everything

0:40:03.351 --> 0:40:07.551
<v Speaker 1>was above. Board after their, meeting the chairman told, McFarlane

0:40:08.071 --> 0:40:20.671
<v Speaker 1>i for one am willing to take you at Your

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<v Speaker 1>on the next episode Of, Fiasco Oliver north And bud

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<v Speaker 1>For a list of, books articles and documentaries we used

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<v Speaker 1>in our research follow the link in the show. Notes

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<v Speaker 1>fiasco is a production Of Prolog projects and it's distributed

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<v Speaker 1>By Pushkin. Industries the show is produced By Andrew, Parsons

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