WEBVTT - Winter Gothic, Plus an Interview with Author Lee Lai 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:07.280 This episode will contain spoilers for very old movies and 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.440 maybe some newer movies, so don't worry, we'll give you 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.960 a heads up. Plus, after our Winter Gothic deep dive, 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.880 I interview illustrator and cartoonist Lee Lai, author of Stone 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:20.880 Fruit and the upcoming Fantastic graphic novel Fans of the 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:41.920 Bear Cannon. Hello, my name is Rosy Night, and today 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.320 we're talking about Winter Gothic. 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:52.720 I'm Carmen thelonng Nick and where the Scone Crans. 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.640 Welcome back to x ray Vision, the podcast where. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.520 We dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.520 pop culture. We are here iHeart podcasts as always, where 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:05.880 we are bringing you. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.840 Three episodes a week plus news. 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:11.800 In today's episode, we are breaking down another subgenre of 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.200 horror and maybe some other genres as we have begun 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.400 to realize while we dig in Winter Gothic. So we're 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.360 gonna start what is Winter Gothic. We're gonna lay out 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.319 our rules and the movies that we think fit into them. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.319 Then we're gonna do the scream Queen pics, recommend you 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.760 some great Winter Gothics to watch, and then we're gonna 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:34.800 ask is Stephen King, the king of this subgenre. But 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.400 first a quick discussion, Colm, and let's begin with you. 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.760 Yeah, so, I thought it'd be great to start this 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.399 conversation by, just like we did with her Sci Fi debate, 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:50.640 by talking about how we define this subgenre of winter Gothic. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:55.200 I'll start with myself. For me, I was thinking about this. 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.640 I'm really excited about this topic. Actually, I've been thinking 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:03.960 about it all night. But for me, the season winter 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:07.520 has to feel almost like a character in the movie. 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:08.520 It has to. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:13.239 Feel like it is. I have to imagine, like, can 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:17.239 I imagine this story taking place in the summer? Could 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.680 I imagine this story taking place in the spring. No, 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:25.040 So winter becomes an integral part of that storytelling. I 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.360 think that is an important part. And then, of course 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.839 it has to be dark. It has to be dealing 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:33.920 with dark, depressing themes as we love during the wintertime. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:35.359 Definitely. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.280 What about you, Joel, Yeah, so this is interesting. You 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.200 guys were like, what if we talked about winter Gothic? 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.320 I said, the hell are you talking about? I don't 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.520 know what that means. Yeah, but the first thing I 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.680 thought of was like blood on snow. So then I 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:50.600 was like, Okay, let me be in neerd and get 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.240 my research bag, and it led me to read it exactly. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:54.680 That was it. That was like the only place I 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.239 was really talking in depth about what when a God? 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:58.760 I was like, these girls are too cool for me. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.359 They're so far ahead of the times. There's not an 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:05.359 Internet search for it. That's crazy. So when we started 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:06.720 trying to figure out, like what does a genre mean, 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:07.920 it was like, well, let me take it back to 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.400 the Gothic elements and like, let me make sure my 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.680 understanding is fully immersed in like what is it to 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.800 be like gothic and genre? 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:16.079 Right? 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.119 Okay, so you're dealing with themes of death and decay, 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:24.680 You're dealing with isolation, but also with romance. You're dealing 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.240 with thoughts of. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:29.919 The ends of things. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:33.040 Right, all of these are very coincide with winter, like 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:38.520 just the thematic like pagan winter ideals like highly fit 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.760 into the deals of like the Gothic tenants, right, And 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.560 so I was like, oh, and too, if you think 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:50.520 like Gothic literature tends to lack subtlety, it is very 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.839 on the nose about like it's so awful. So when 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.200 you're leaning into that and you're leaning into something that 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.640 is like very black and white, stark in your face. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.440 To sort of add winter as a backdrop to that, 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:07.520 we're talking early nights that last longer. We're talking like 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.880 the cream Christmas of snow with the like madness of 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.400 the city and or blood and or like whatever you 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.520 mixed on top of it is going to really stand 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.760 out visually. And so by then I totally understand like 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.440 why as a culture we started to gravitate towards films 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.359 that highlight this And if you think even like more 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.000 about it, I was like, man, every werewolf movie probably 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.040 fits under the Pretty much ninety percent of werewolf movies 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:36.200 would be considered a winter Gothic. You've got to Carmen's point, 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.520 winter is practically a character in there. You've got your 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.880 romance and death because werewolves, it's all right there. I 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.960 really like the idea of this genre because it brought 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.080 to mind some of my favorite films, which we'll talk 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.960 about in a minute. But Rose, I'm curious, like when 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.800 do you stumble upon the idea of winter Gothic and 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:55.560 like what does the genre mean for you? 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.680 I think that as a naming convention, I have found 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.320 the same thing, like relatively new. Honestly, when we were 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.560 talking about it in our group chat, we were kind 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.080 of like, yeah, what does this mean to us? 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.560 Like what movies would this look like. I think it 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.120 works because actually. 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:17.880 When you go back, this encompasses throughout cinematic history, just 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.080 like hundreds of movies. And it's kind of this idea 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:25.760 of like the bleak midwinter, the kind of dark evenings 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.279 when things start to look strange and shadows everything. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:29.799 I'm dead. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:33.680 There's movies going back as everything's dead, right, it's the 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:38.080 representation this is winter before before the you know, some 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.640 of these movies will end up, you know, a Thirty 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.640 Days of Night or something. At the end you get 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.640 the sunrise. That's your representation of spring. But there are 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.640 some really old movies I saw when I was a 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.880 teenager that I think fit into this, like the there's 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.279 this finish movie called The White reind It's from the 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.240 fifties and that's about like she goes to a shaman 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:02.040 to like spice up kind of like her appeal as 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.880 a woman, very practical, magic coded, and but ends up 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.400 becoming like a vampire. And it's all set in this 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.160 crazy snow place. Another movie they show all the time 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.160 here that I think is an early example of this 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.520 is the Curse of the Cat People, which is like 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:18.680 a forties kind of. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:22.440 Nah movie long right. 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:26.320 And get that iconic image of her in the cloak. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.000 I mean, even like I think one of the most 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.480 famous and this is definitely like a Reddit pic. You'll 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.240 definitely see this in folk horror communities talking about this, 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.640 which I think folk corra is one of my favorite genres, 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:37.080 and this. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.320 Is very folk horror coded. 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:43.240 But the Japanese horror movie Kwi Dan, which is kind 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:48.240 of this collection of Japanese horror movies from the sixties. 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:52.320 It's on Criterion. There's some really great examples in there. Also, 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.600 another reason I think this is so connected to the 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.560 horror genre is because if you think a lot about 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:04.680 old like vampire movies, fearless vampire killer, stuff like that Dracula, 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.680 often when you get to the gothic mansion, it's snowing. 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:13.080 It's isolating snow. As you said common about it becoming 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.960 a character. The snow is something that adds to the quiet, 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:21.600 to the isolation, to the loneliness because all you can 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:27.160 see is this white, blank canvas, and also it numbs 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.560 the sounds it softens that. I think there's this fear 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.440 of winter, of being alone. Maybe it speaks to something 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.960 very feral and old, you know, that fear of what 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.480 is outside. I think that's why you Diesel also kind 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.040 of get tied into like a lot of horror, a 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:47.040 lot of monster movies, those old troll movies from like 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.880 the Zeros, the Swedish movies I think about, though I 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.320 would not say necessarily those are Gothic, but I do 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:58.560 think this idea of a of a scary landscape that 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.000 is going to kill you even if you survive the 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:05.840 bad thing makes these stories way scarier, Like can you 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:06.920 escape the snow? 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.360 Yeah? Yes, to that point, like winter is an endurance test, 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.800 particularly before things like supermarkets where you just go buy 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.840 your food like you did you preserve and take socca 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.440 and backload and everything goes to crap. Do you have 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.760 the skills to sort of navigate these really difficult terrain 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:30.360 and long season I think, yeah, we okay, So let's 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.640 let's really bullet point our tenants here. So I think 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.880 the main one in order to apply to being a 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.120 winter Gothic, you need to have Winter as a character. 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:43.240 I need visuals, I need the sounds of Winter. It 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:47.800 needs to be an overwhelming force driving the direction of 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:52.640 the film. Okay, great, then yes, I think to me, 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:58.720 if we're going gothic death and romance, and they to 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:03.280 some degree go hand in hand, absolutely, Okay, what else 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.000 do we need for winter Gothic? 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.920 I think for me, definitely that idea of like the 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.720 winter comes and then you are more trapped than you 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.880 are isolation. You know, a lot of times these these 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:18.360 movies are about isolation. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:20.280 They're about the. 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.720 Way that winter stops you from being able to interact, 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:30.040 They're about they kind of tie into those old historical adventures. 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:34.960 Too, of like you know, the men exploring the Antarctic 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:36.920 and dying. You know, I feel like it. 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.960 Taps into a lot of those historical so, like, you know, 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.600 I would say there's an argument that you could make 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.960 that Giamma del Toro's the first act is especially Yeah, 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:51.080 fits into a winter Gothic right his Frankenstein. So yeah, 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:55.400 I'm very interested. I think, Yeah, definitely, Howling Winds. I 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.080 don't think it needs to be a horror because, like 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:58.920 when I was looking on Reddit, when I was kind 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.560 of looking through these different articles where people have talked 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.439 about Winter movies, I will say I think something like. 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:07.359 Winter's Bone comes. 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.560 Up a lot, probably a because it's got the name 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.240 Winter in the Time, yeah, but B because of Jennifer 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:14.559 Lawrence and that performance. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.319 That is a movie about. 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:20.080 Being isolated, being alone and having to survive a winter 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.320 where your patriarchal figure has like abandoned you, you know, 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.040 in a space. So I think this kind of notion 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:31.240 of isolation and winter and how that adds challenges to 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:32.480 what you're already facing. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.560 I love it. And then two would we say, if 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.319 this is a dark Knight of the soul type genre, 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:44.600 is the discovery of self also essential? 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:50.360 I would say yes, in general, you're going to come 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:54.080 to a point within these movies where something true is 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.559 discovered about yourself. Now that is not always going to 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.440 be something positive, right we. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.120 Dive into the pictures, some of min are like bleak 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.440 as out, Like the discovery is like, oh, you're fucking crazy, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.440 Like this is the craziness is erupted within you and 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:11.480 this is all you can do. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.440 And I gives it takes. We're gonna give you the 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.560 coziness of Santa's We're gonna take you to the depths 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.400 of winter. But now before we go to break. We'll 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:39.320 be right back after these messages and we're back, let's 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.280 talk about some of our picks. We want a round Robinham, Yeah, 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.600 the one, yeah after the other me start. Okay, I'm 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.360 gonna start with my most controversial I thought I had 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:52.040 while we were while we were talking about what it is, 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.439 and it was an image that was like, what movie 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.600 am I thinking of blood on the snow? It's fucking 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.880 killed Bill. You guys, love and death and equal measure 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:05.280 connected isolation. Okay, great Winter as a character, not throughout 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.760 the whole movie, maybe just to the seed, but she's 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.680 there and she's making things chalired. 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:14.040 By you know, a Japanese film. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:14.600 Yeah. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.760 I was actually that that Lady Snowblood was actually gonna 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:19.959 be one of my picks because so much of it 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:20.880 is taken from that. 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:22.679 So I think you'll I think if a. 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:27.600 Movie is so has such an iconic sequence like that 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:34.000 sequence with Lucy in, I think you can make that argument. Now, look, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.880 is it is some of kill Bill set and like 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:38.880 you know California and Sonny. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.760 Yes, but I love that you bought this outrageous pick. 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.839 And I do think especially because it's based on Lady snowblood. 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.320 Yeah, I was kind of blown away. I love that 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.520 you're both like, yeah, we'll let this ride. Thank you 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.080 for indulging the craziness. Carmen, what's your first pick? 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.720 I okay, my first pick is one that came to 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.079 me this morning and I was so excited, right, I 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.600 remembered it. But Mothman Prophecies is. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.480 I love this. This is a great pick. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:11.000 Because look, not necessarily a lot of snow in the 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.240 way that we think, but very like missed the rainy 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:15.880 depressing as correct. 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.600 Yes, and his wife dies at the beginning of the movie. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.080 She gets a brain tumor, and so it's kind of 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.719 a The movie is about him trying to figure out 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.960 what entity his wife was obsessed with before she died 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.679 that he thinks had taken her, and it's this entity 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:38.120 called the moth Man. And yeah, it has one of 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.720 the creepiest scenes in all of cinema history in my opinion, 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.880 which is the hotel scene where he gets a phone call. 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.560 Richard Gear gets a phone call from the injured cold 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.240 character and that voice when I hear that, it sends 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.240 chillsning fine, I watched it when I was a kid 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.160 in the winter. I think and for me, it's like 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.760 a very wintery definitely lots of themes of winter, and 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:59.800 it will it'll make you obsessed with the moth Man 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.480 and just really start to think, like, here's the moth 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:03.000 Man real? 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:09.200 I love again, back to that folkloric folk horror. I 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.520 think there's something about winter that sends us back. We 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.319 are going back to pagan traditions anyway, with like the 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:19.360 Christmas tree and stuff like that, and the celebration of 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.120 like sitting around the fire. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.040 So maybe there's something about winter. 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.040 The your logue this kind of there's something about it 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:29.840 that sends us back to those kind of feral times 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.360 and those feral kind of human behaviors. So that's why 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.560 I am in a pick for my first pick one 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:40.600 of the best most underrated movies directed by a woman 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:41.200 as well. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:46.840 This is ravenous. This movie is a. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:51.080 Absolutely crazy horror western from nineteen ninety nine directed by 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:57.120 Antonio Bird and it is basically set in the California 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:02.800 Sierra Nevada in the eighteen forty and it is about 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:08.040 a group of soldiers who are out an isolated ice 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:13.640 outpost when they come across cannibals and it's kind of 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.960 very interesting because while it is based on real life 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.520 and like it's inspired by the Donna Party, and it's 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:27.000 inspired by a real Colorado cannibal that they called Alfred Packer, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.240 who survived after eating people becoming snowbound. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:32.440 It is actually and I think. 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:37.240 This is the reason why it's had such a long 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:40.120 history and has become such a cult classic. It's really 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:45.200 like a movie critiquing American imperialism and the ideas of 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:49.120 like manifest destiny and the ideas of like consumption. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:50.840 And it's really good. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:58.360 It's really scary, and it is also just like really again, 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:04.440 feels like that Donna train kind of you're exploring and 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:09.280 you become trapped that existential fear of the nature of 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.720 the earth and winter and all this kind of horror 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.920 that you have to survive already, and then you add 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:21.160 in this extra thing, which is this cannibalism aspect, And yeah, 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:25.080 such a good movie, and the ending. 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:28.080 Is crazy, and yeah, it's it's just really good. 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.920 It's got Guy Peace, it's got David Arquette, it's got 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.560 Jeffrey Jones, it's a lot of Neil mcdonnaugh. 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:34.920 It's it's really good. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.280 It's a low key kind of like it was an 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.760 indie mooe. It didn't make a ton of money. It 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.400 cost twelve million, made two million, But it's so good 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:48.160 and I think that definitely earns its place in the 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.320 winter gothic space and leans into that kind of like crazy. 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.160 And also, I'm going again, this is a bleak one, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.120 so I would say you two did some kind of 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.000 funnish ones that are still spooky. So that's my first 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.280 true bleak take Joelle, what is your second? 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:10.600 Well to bring us to a slightly less bleak but 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.000 still dark place. It's winter gothic, guys, We're not going 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.399 to leave the darkness. It's thirty Days of Night now listen. 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:18.280 Is it. 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:21.920 Performance Josh Harten has ever given? 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:22.600 No, it's not for that. 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.960 Please go see Penny Dreadful. Is it the best vampire 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.359 movie of all time? It's it's not only Lovers Left 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.199 Alive exists, and we can't take that exactly. But it 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:37.960 has some of the coolest looking vampires. They have flam 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.439 dress so regular they feel like Russian mob. You're like, 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.040 I would not fuck with these guys. And on top 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.480 of that, just like this is an absolute just vibes movie. 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.720 It's like it's a little bit slasher movie. If you 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.240 haven't seen it, it's a little bit slashery. You do 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:57.119 have a final girl. You've got police dudes who are 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.720 sort of forced into different types of hector roles, which 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.880 I find really interesting. But mostly I'm here for these 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.280 damn cool looking vampires and they're damn cool killing methods. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.480 I think Three Days of Night is one of the 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.919 most fun horror movies of all time. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:13.080 Just great show. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:15.560 It's so much fun to show people, just from a 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.639 conceptual standpoint of Like, you're up in Alaska, it's going 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.240 to be dark for a full month, which sunset the 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.359 last sunset. It's a horrifying premise. And then you have 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.800 a killer who is more expertise than the dark, more 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.000 expertise in the cold. You can't truly beat them. You 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:36.960 can only hope to outrun them. Oh it's thrilling and fun. Again. 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.159 I just cannot emphasize enough how much the acting is 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.280 not great. Just don't that's not why you're here. You came, 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.119 it's for visual it's mint. 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:46.800 Era, it's mid Ara Josh and now he's back in 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:53.800 his bag, like this is post you know, faculty and a. 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.080 Lot is happening in the world. 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.800 Yeah, a lot was happening also as well. Like you said, Joelle, 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:59.960 I mean this is based on a comic book. It's 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:04.120 set over thirty days. It's a really great simple conceit, 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:05.959 which I also think a lot of these movies have. 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:08.640 Or it's basically like what if you were in an 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:12.000 already scary, unsettling situation. You're a new coop in town, 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.560 it's about to be thirty days of night, Like, how 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.040 do you protect your town? Is everyone just going to 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.480 be chilling? Oh wait, there's vampires here, because of course 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.199 where else would they live? So I love that pick. 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.000 And again, guys, yeah, great, great comic book, and they 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.400 I think they have a new series coming out as 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.520 well as part of the IDW Dark Range. 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.120 Common What is your second. 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.080 I think my second pick is probably, out of all 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:36.840 the ones we've talked about to support, the one that 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.320 probably fits our category the most, and that is Crimson Peak. 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:42.480 It is definitely Gothic. 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:46.800 It is definitely winter it's wintery, and it is definitely 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:51.240 dealing with the dark, you know, subjects and the romance 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:55.600 and all of that. Absolutely love it. I personally, I 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.920 was literally I haven't watched this movie in a few years, 0:19:57.920 --> 0:19:59.879 but I have seen it like four times and it 0:19:59.920 --> 0:20:02.199 is is one of my favorite Garamel del Tora movies. 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:04.719 I can't tell you what the movie's about, but I 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:06.720 do know that it's a. 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:11.480 Very visually which we offer. I would say feeling that 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:13.400 Gothic movies. 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.879 Visually stunning movie and your eyes are eating in every 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.560 freaking shot of the movie. 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:20.480 Amazing. 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:25.000 You know, costume acting from Doug Jones in that horrifying 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:29.639 red ghost, like just some of the best like costuming 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:34.200 and makeup, and and just like set designs in Winter Gothic. 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.440 You know what else this movie has that I think 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.480 goes well in the gothic category of our Winter Gothic 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:46.240 It as men who long they want, they want to 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.600 love them, They're not sure of themselves. It's damn sexy. 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:54.280 There's no certainty there, there's no fire in the yearning. 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.160 This is cool gothic yearning where you feel like can 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:59.640 you never be able to achieve what you need? 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:01.879 I love this pitcommon. I think if there is a 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.400 Winter Gothic movie, it is likely this. 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.280 If there is a singular one, I think it has 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.160 a lot of the hallmarks of what we want from 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.000 Gothic storytelling, like it's very turn of the Screw. 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.359 You are a woman, you turn up at this new house. 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.120 Oh but you're married, so that's very blue Beard, that's 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:21.000 very Rebecca. And suddenly your husband has secrets in the 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.879 house is wanted, like, it's such a the house is 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:27.800 so winter. How is it to say, let's add that. 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.359 Let's add that retroactively. I do think that some of 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:35.880 the best horror movies like this are set in one 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:40.720 location or have one primary scary location. 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:42.119 You appear in. 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.760 Even even in kill Bill, the winter gothic of it 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.480 all comes when she goes to Lucy Lou. You know, 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.480 I would say, so my next pick does fit in 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.080 really well with that. Another incredibly bleak one. This is 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:58.199 a very controversial movie, guys, because it is essentially like 0:21:58.240 --> 0:21:59.040 a gaslight in. 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.000 Horror movie and it is about evil kids. 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:05.159 But I think it's legit one of the scariest best 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:09.200 winter horror movies ever made. I think it's so bleak 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:11.280 that a lot of people couldn't take it. 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:12.520 It has a crazy cast. 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:16.239 Riley Keog Jada Martel as the kid, Leah mceu as 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:19.040