WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 112622 Why American Slavery was Unique in the World (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsy's job.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Rams' joh I am q Ward. You are

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<v Speaker 2>listening to Civic Cipher, You should to stick around. We

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<v Speaker 2>got a whole lot in store for you today. Kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a heavy show, but something that is quite educational.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to be dealing a lot with what was,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're going to do our best to bring

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<v Speaker 2>it to what is. And so we'll take some time

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll talk about slavery and the implications of slavery.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to start off by making sure that we

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<v Speaker 1>discuss how slavery in the United States was different than

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<v Speaker 1>slavery around the world. This is something that comes up

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<v Speaker 1>a lot in conversations, especially you know, these days, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you may not know how to address that,

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<v Speaker 1>how to approach that. You know, a lot of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people use, you know, slavery as being so

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<v Speaker 1>long ago, or they use slavery as being something of

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<v Speaker 1>a global human phenomenon to distance themselves from the actual

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<v Speaker 1>implications of slavery. And we reject that general attitude. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>around here, we like to fall on the sword if

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<v Speaker 1>we need to. And so we're gonna give you everything

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<v Speaker 1>that you need to know exactly how to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>those conversations and you know, maybe your own prejudices in

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<v Speaker 1>your own mind, because let's be honest, you know we

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<v Speaker 1>still have those despite our best efforts and our best intentions.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna take some time to talk about slavery

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<v Speaker 1>and America. We're also going to take some time to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the Willie Lynch Letter, which is something that

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<v Speaker 1>we have mentioned on this show comes up a lot

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<v Speaker 1>in hip hop songs and so forth, so we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>actually delve into that a bit. And for our way

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<v Speaker 1>black history fact, we're gonna discuss more slavery. So a

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<v Speaker 1>heavy show, but again one that will be educational and

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<v Speaker 1>one that we believe will certainly make a difference. But

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, we will start off with EBNY Excellence.

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<v Speaker 1>Shall we shall we? S So this week ABNY Excellence

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, one of the things that we do

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, magic is the key word in the Black Girl

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<v Speaker 2>Magic with Piper and shout out to our boy Bread

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<v Speaker 2>over a complex as well.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, So slavery in America this comes from. So

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<v Speaker 1>you may know this. I've mentioned this on the show before,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't talk about it quite a bit. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>subscribed to quite a few white supremacist blogs on the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's because I have to be I need to

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<v Speaker 1>know what it is people are thinking, what it is

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<v Speaker 1>people are saying, what it is people are hiding behind

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<v Speaker 1>that is creating a distance between the uses and the

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<v Speaker 1>thems in these very important conversations. Well, one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I came across it was a little troubling recently, was that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a group of people that really feel

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<v Speaker 1>like black people are responsible for.

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<v Speaker 2>Slavery.

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<v Speaker 1>Something that Q and I have discussed quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>on our various media rounds is that we take issue

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<v Speaker 1>with the narrative that slavery was a choice made by

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<v Speaker 1>black people. And you know, for those familiar with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>our conversations beyond just this show, you may know that

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<v Speaker 1>that's something that especially for Q's it's a touchy it's

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<v Speaker 1>a touchy subject because he and you know, me and

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<v Speaker 1>most of us wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a complete falsehood and it is extremely insensitive and unfair

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<v Speaker 1>and unkind. However, there are groups of people, mostly white folks,

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<v Speaker 1>in little pockets of the internet who are very, very racist,

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<v Speaker 1>you know who. They need this to be true, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they will do their best to try to build

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<v Speaker 1>an argument that removes white people from the responsibilities of

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<v Speaker 1>slavery and kind of put black people in the hot seat,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will. So, this idea that black people are

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for slavery does exist. And if you start to

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<v Speaker 1>feel that way, you and you're a white person, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>an older white male, if you feel that black people

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<v Speaker 1>are responsible for slavery, then you feel less connected with

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<v Speaker 1>the results of slavery. You feel less connected with sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the responsibility to address, you know, the issues, the

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<v Speaker 1>systemic issues, and so forth. It's very easy for you

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<v Speaker 1>to hide behind a narrative that tells you that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>white people are the great conquerors of the world and

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<v Speaker 1>deserve to be so, and black people are just born

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<v Speaker 1>bad and they are all bad. And the reason they're

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<v Speaker 1>bad now is because bad is the natural state of

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<v Speaker 1>black people, and it turns a blind eye to the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of the situation. Like, you know, where's the most

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<v Speaker 1>black people in Africa? If you go to Africa, you

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<v Speaker 1>find that there are black people that are literally kings

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<v Speaker 1>and queens and they're full complex societies all the way

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<v Speaker 1>down to you know, some bad people, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's not nearly as many people in prison in Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>but we have a whole separate, you know, prison problem

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<v Speaker 1>in this country. And to those people who say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Africa is you know very poor, that Africa is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on and on a lot that has to do with

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<v Speaker 1>that is not any It doesn't have anything to do

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<v Speaker 1>with anything other than guns. Who has the gunpowder? Who

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<v Speaker 1>shows up when everyone has the spears with the guns?

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know the snowball effect of that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>who owns these lands? Who can extract the resource? Is?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, where is the infrastructure pointed? Is the infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>pointed toward the coastline so that the resources can be

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<v Speaker 1>extracted and shipped up to Great Britain or to the Americas,

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<v Speaker 1>Or is the infrastructure you know in these countries, has

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<v Speaker 1>it developed along with the rest of the industrialized world.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, these falsehoods allow these often very conservative white

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<v Speaker 1>men to insulate themselves from the reality of the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that we're not really conquerors. We're more often

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<v Speaker 1>regarded as you know, thieves and plunderers and looters and

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<v Speaker 1>liars and so forth. Right now, this show has never

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<v Speaker 1>been the sort of show that tries to lay the

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<v Speaker 1>blame of you know, these historical things at the feet

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<v Speaker 1>of any person who's walking a path doing their best

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<v Speaker 1>to be kind and to be a brother and a

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<v Speaker 1>sister to black people and other people in this planet.

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<v Speaker 1>But we also have to recognize that some of us

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<v Speaker 1>are in a better position to address these issues that

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<v Speaker 1>continue to plague these poor communities, black communities than others.

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<v Speaker 1>And oftentimes it's the people with the wealth. Oftentimes those

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<v Speaker 1>people tend to be white. So now we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about slavery in America. My bad, that was a mouthful,

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<v Speaker 1>but I needed to get that all out there, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of framed the conversation today. So let's start. Slaves were

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<v Speaker 1>purchased from Africans, all right, that is true. That is

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<v Speaker 1>something that you know, we have to acknowledge on all sides,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's okay. I don't think that's the worst thing

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, because when you have a full picture

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<v Speaker 1>of exactly what that means, you understand it. Bear in

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<v Speaker 1>mind that when you hear that you can go and

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<v Speaker 1>buy slaves, and then you go and buy slaves, you

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<v Speaker 1>in effect create an economy where slaves is your main export, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was true for hundreds of years in Africa. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I'm jumping the gun here. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to reframe slavery in your mind, okay. And I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to take this conversation. If you have conversations with

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<v Speaker 1>other people you know in your household, holidays, birthdays, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>who maybe they feel distant, they feel like these problems

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<v Speaker 1>aren't really theirs to have to deal with. This will

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<v Speaker 1>allow you to kind of bring them into the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's what I want you to do. Don't get

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<v Speaker 1>mad at me, que because I know you tend to

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<v Speaker 1>get mad when I do this. But I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to change the word slave. I want you to will

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<v Speaker 1>not change it. I want you to add another word

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Let's call it child slave, okay, and everything

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<v Speaker 1>that implies. You know, there are some very awful people

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<v Speaker 1>in the world who may purchase a child slave for

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<v Speaker 1>everything disgusting that you might be thinking right now. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll refrain from using the real word that you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's probably in your mind, but I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to trigger anyone. So we'll go with child slave. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's rethink the the economy of slavery, of buying

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<v Speaker 1>and selling human beings. Okay. And because you may have

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<v Speaker 1>been taught unintentionally to be racist, you know, even black people,

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<v Speaker 1>we're taught racist stereotyp types. You know, we're not impervious

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<v Speaker 1>to those things. Okay. So this doesn't make you a

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<v Speaker 1>bad person. It makes you human and susceptible to propaganda,

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<v Speaker 1>to systemic influence. Okay, but I'm going to help you

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<v Speaker 1>cut through that because you might think about black people

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<v Speaker 1>a certain way, but human beings have a tendency to

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<v Speaker 1>think of children saying. So let's again, instead of slavery,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go with child slaves.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to read this again. Child slaves were

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<v Speaker 1>purchased from Africa. Okay. Does that change a bit in

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<v Speaker 1>your mind? Because it should, because then it be goes,

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<v Speaker 1>then it should go well, whoa whoa, whoa. No one

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<v Speaker 1>should be purchasing children, right, that's an awful thing to

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<v Speaker 1>think about. What are they doing with these children? They're

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<v Speaker 1>taking them from a home. They don't you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>is what's the point of this? But I'll continue near

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<v Speaker 1>in child slaves it might grant you a direct line

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<v Speaker 1>of empathy, human empathy where you know, maybe that has

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<v Speaker 1>been calloused over years of you thinking of black people

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<v Speaker 1>as criminal or black people as whatever. Right now, let

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<v Speaker 1>me let me paint another picture for you. The slaves

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<v Speaker 1>in Africa, we're off then conquered tribes. Okay, there were

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<v Speaker 1>thieves or criminals that ended up slave in slavery or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, folks that had committed some sort of offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Said there there was you couldn't go into Africa, You

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't be an African and then go to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the country over and then buy a slave for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>That wasn't a thing. Slaves did not come about in

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<v Speaker 1>that way. Slaves were again often the result of tribes

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<v Speaker 1>that had been conquered, which is the thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But bear in mind that if a tribe is conquered,

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<v Speaker 1>typically the tribe gets absorbed into the conquering tribe and

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<v Speaker 1>after a generation, they're all kind of one family. If

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<v Speaker 1>you will, okay, if you're a criminal and you break

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<v Speaker 1>the law or you murder someone or whatever, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and then your punishment is slavery. If you have children,

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<v Speaker 1>those children didn't break the law. Those children are not slaves. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You found a lot more frequently that slaves would marry

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<v Speaker 1>into families. You found more frequently that slavery wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>permanent condition. You were a slave for a time. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what would happen in Africa. So again, when

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<v Speaker 1>there are people in these chat rooms, these racist chat rooms,

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<v Speaker 1>that say, well, black people of the Africans sold black

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<v Speaker 1>people into slavery, well, the type of slavery in Africa

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<v Speaker 1>was very different, a very different phenomenon from what we

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<v Speaker 1>ended up with over here in the US. It was

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<v Speaker 1>about economics, was about money. Slaves were not human beings

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<v Speaker 1>in the way that they were in Africa's. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a very different sort of thing for folks that say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>slavery existed around the world. You know, the Jews are slaves,

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<v Speaker 1>and this and that and the and all these things

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<v Speaker 1>are very true, and we acknowledge all of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're saying that in a way to distance

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<v Speaker 1>yourself from the responsibility of slavery, I'm trying to help you,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, build that bridge. So we've discussed, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>reframing slavery around child slavery, because again, if you have

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<v Speaker 1>the human capacity to empathize and you have been made

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<v Speaker 1>to be calloused when it comes to black people or

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<v Speaker 1>affairs that affect black people, we're going to appeal to

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<v Speaker 1>your human condition because black people, as you know, are

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<v Speaker 1>human beings. The first human beings ever. I move on

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<v Speaker 1>slavery in the United States was based on race, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>that it was something that followed you, the stench, the

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<v Speaker 1>legacy followed you, even if you found freedom. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the handful of slave movies you may have seen, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at the end the hero gets freedom or whatever. You

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<v Speaker 1>can be talking about Django, Twelve Years of Slave, any

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<v Speaker 1>of the slave movies we know them all, right, typically

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<v Speaker 1>during that period, if the movie is from a black

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<v Speaker 1>person's perspective, this is what the end goal is, to

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<v Speaker 1>be free.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about freedom a bit in the second half

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<v Speaker 1>of the show, but freedom in the US from slavery

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<v Speaker 1>didn't necessarily mean freedom. Freedom from slavery in Africa absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>could mean that, you know, and again it's because the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, slavery was based around race. These group of

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<v Speaker 1>people who look like this, they are the slaves. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>it is the permanent condition. If they have children, then

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<v Speaker 1>their children will be slaves and they will work for us,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what they do. And then they developed

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<v Speaker 1>a whole range of reasons to justify these human rights violations.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they preached from the parts of the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>that reflected to one degree or another their feelings about slavery.

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, this country fought a civil war about slavery,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant that approximately half of the people felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>hey man, we're not giving up these slaves. Again, think

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<v Speaker 1>child slaves.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a tough time empathizing, think child slaves, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>just pop that in your head. Half of the country

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<v Speaker 1>was like, no, we need to keep these childs. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>that happened to a child slave happened to black men

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<v Speaker 1>and black women in this country. We'll get to that

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<v Speaker 1>in a second. But you know, slavery was very popular,

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<v Speaker 1>very lucrative financially and otherwise, and it was based on race.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a very different phenomenon in the borders of Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>which again, at that time, you don't have huge prison complexes.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have ways to punish people that assure that

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<v Speaker 1>they will be confined or you know, relegated to a

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<v Speaker 1>certain space for a certain amount of time. That's as

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<v Speaker 1>sophisticated as what we have now. You know, so slavery

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<v Speaker 1>as a way to work off your debt to society,

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<v Speaker 1>slavery as a way to you know, whatever, that's your thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You can marry, you can have to you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part, you still were considered a human being

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<v Speaker 1>with a degree of autonomy. Now, if you wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>come back with certain examples, I may even allow them.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't find any, but you know, certain examples of

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<v Speaker 1>outliers then sure. But for the most part, if we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the institution of slavery, we're talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental difference at the core of what took place in

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<v Speaker 1>Africa versus what took place in the United States. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been talking a lot. I know you've been over there,

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<v Speaker 1>champion at the bit anything so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I mean, I'd like to really approach it from

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<v Speaker 2>the perspective of a student, right, and you playing the

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<v Speaker 2>teacher in this example. With the topic that we're speaking of,

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<v Speaker 2>you spoke about conquered tribes. I want people to think

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<v Speaker 2>warring tribes and one lost right, because we talk about colonization,

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<v Speaker 2>and colonizers over the history of Earth have kind of

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<v Speaker 2>fit a specific description. Conquered tribes in this sense is

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<v Speaker 2>more about another thing that's not a that is not

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<v Speaker 2>a unique phenomenon, and that's war. War for land or

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<v Speaker 2>resources or whatever throughout the history of Earth has happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and once one of the tribes or one of the countries,

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<v Speaker 2>or one of the group's wins, it was common for

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<v Speaker 2>them to not murder or kill those who remained after

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<v Speaker 2>the fighting was over, and those people became slaves or servants,

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<v Speaker 2>and in some cases, I'm guessing we're able to work

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<v Speaker 2>off or age out of being servants or slaves and once.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason why that's important is because that second, that

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<v Speaker 2>next generation of people, they don't have that resentment or

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<v Speaker 2>that desire to push back because there's no longer an enemy.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you said, they've been absorbed into this tribe or

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<v Speaker 2>and to this country and to this group of people.

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<v Speaker 2>So I kind of want to just add some more

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<v Speaker 2>color to that point where people can understand when you

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<v Speaker 2>say conquered tribes, you know, think war or battle or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>When you call it, one side loses, they surrender because

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<v Speaker 2>after so much bloodshed or after so much death, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's clear we're not going to win here. We surrender.

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<v Speaker 2>And now those people are not sentenced to death. They're

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<v Speaker 2>sentenced to servitude essentially, and that is much different. These

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<v Speaker 2>people are not our slave because they are beneath us, right,

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to help us create more people and sustain

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<v Speaker 2>the land that we now share. And again, the next generation,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not fighting anymore, so there's no need for those

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<v Speaker 2>people to be slaves, which is much different than you

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<v Speaker 2>were going to be a slave here forever if one

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<v Speaker 2>group had it their way because of the color of

0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:30.240
<v Speaker 2>your skin, by nature, you are beneath us. Your people

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<v Speaker 2>are slaves. That's what they're for, that's why you exist. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>a much different set of circumstances with regards to people

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<v Speaker 2>on the continent of Africa and their involvement with chattel

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<v Speaker 2>slavery in the way that it led to people coming

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<v Speaker 2>to the Americas. People making that same argument that Africans

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<v Speaker 2>sold slaves. I'm thinking in that instance. And again I

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<v Speaker 2>was not around, and I am not a studied historian

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<v Speaker 2>with regards to the slave trade beyond what we learned

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<v Speaker 2>in school, which, as you can imagine, very little, well

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<v Speaker 2>very little intentionally. Right, the history in some instances, in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of countries is a propaganda of the authors,

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<v Speaker 2>who are the conquerors, who are the people who stand

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<v Speaker 2>to be the heroes in that story. So yeah, this existed,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, let's paint that picture with as little

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<v Speaker 2>color as possible, selling off people who perhaps were conquered

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<v Speaker 2>in those battles, and I think also not being given

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<v Speaker 2>much in the way of choice, Right, we can purchase

0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:39.960
<v Speaker 2>these slaves from you, or with our guns versus your

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<v Speaker 2>more primitive weapons, we can take them. It's your choice.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think this was people in Africa saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let's find as many Africans as we can to sell

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<v Speaker 2>to the oppressors.

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<v Speaker 1>So watch this. So I mentioned that a bench it

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<v Speaker 1>became that. So you're absolutely right. Initially when the British

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<v Speaker 1>showed up found out that you could get some slaves

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<v Speaker 1>in the British, of course they're expanding, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of extra hands here and there, might make a difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Once they started to acquire slaves from Africa, the western

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<v Speaker 1>coast of Africa, they ultimately created a demand to where

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<v Speaker 1>the slave the slave trade, the industry in Africa was

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<v Speaker 1>built around conquering tribes for the purposes of enslaving them

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<v Speaker 1>and selling them to white merchants. And you see at

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<v Speaker 1>this time in Africa this mass exodus of human beings,

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<v Speaker 1>which coupled with you know, lands being conquered again because

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<v Speaker 1>of these treaties, because of a lack of gunpowder, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a Chinese invention. I believe you realize that Africa

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<v Speaker 1>lost so much of what was precious, the human capital

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<v Speaker 1>and then of course the resources. And the crazy thing

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<v Speaker 1>about what you mentioned is that, yeah, the history is

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<v Speaker 1>written by the people who conquer whatever. Right. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>funny because we know that the British were the originals

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<v Speaker 1>to start the slave trade or whatever America had were

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.200
<v Speaker 1>British colonies at the time, right, But then the British

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<v Speaker 1>loves to say that they were the first to out

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<v Speaker 1>lost slavery, and they conveniently leave out the fact that

0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:40.920
<v Speaker 1>they paid reparations to the slaveholders. The same thing that

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<v Speaker 1>happened in the US so it's important for us to

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<v Speaker 1>understand that this happens, so that we can understand the

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<v Speaker 1>legacy of it and the weight that it still carries

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<v Speaker 1>in our day to day lives. And we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>touch on that in the second half of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>so stick around for that