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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey Thearon, Welcome back to the Book of Joe podcast

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Speaker 1: with me, Tom Berducci and Joe Madden. Joe, how is

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Speaker 1: your weekend? Any reunions this weekend?

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Speaker 2: No reunions this week?

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Speaker 3: And played some golf done at Saint Pete and yesterday

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Speaker 3: I played at a place called Southern Hills in Brookville, Florida.

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Speaker 3: A kickoff was thirty five degrees. I believe it warmed

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Speaker 3: up to fifty five here in beautiful Florida. So I

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Speaker 3: had that going on. Maybe a trip to Ava or

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Speaker 3: two in this coming weekend, which I won't be there for,

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Speaker 3: will be Gasparilla. Have you ever experienced a Gasparillo?

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Speaker 1: I heard that's a very very interesting time.

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Speaker 3: It'sa's Tampa Baysed version of Marty Grass. I used to

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Speaker 3: live right on the route on Bay Short Boulevard, and

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Speaker 3: I was told it's like five hundred thousand people walk

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Speaker 3: my Willie Ford b Street band would play. I had

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Speaker 3: a food truck out front. I had breakfast in the

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Speaker 3: back with these wonderfully crafted Bloody Mary's. First thing in

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Speaker 3: the morning. You know, if you've done it a couple

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Speaker 3: of times, I think that's plenty. But I know a

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Speaker 3: lot of folks that are kind of excited about it

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Speaker 3: for this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Too. Very cool.

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Speaker 1: I've never been sounds like fun it is. I was

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Speaker 1: at last weekend at the Baseball Writer's Dinner where they

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Speaker 1: handed out the annual awards. I had the privilege of

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Speaker 1: handing out the twenty twenty five n L MVP to

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Speaker 1: shohe Otani, who did an amazing job with his acceptance

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Speaker 1: speech all in English. Looked good as usual in his

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Speaker 1: all black Hugo boss suit. That's always a good time.

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Speaker 1: It was a great evening, and also because the snow Joe,

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Speaker 1: I watched a bunch of football, which I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: probably did, correct.

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Speaker 2: I did, of course, yes, I did well.

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Speaker 1: I always like talking to you about these guys who

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Speaker 1: who will go to the Super Bowl, both fairly young,

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Speaker 1: both turned around teams as you have done in Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball really pretty quickly. Mike Vrabel, after getting fired

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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald of the cl Seahawks, a young guy who

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Speaker 1: you know, he probably shouldn't play. He got to a

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Speaker 1: he tore his ACL and that was that. So he

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Speaker 1: obviously head coach is Seattle. Now he's going to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. What got my attention, Joe, and it got

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Speaker 1: everybody's different, you know that, Joe. Some people do it

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Speaker 1: a different way. Some people think they need to spend

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Speaker 1: I've to talk to you a lot about this, Joe,

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Speaker 1: It just got me thinking, what you think about this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're right, and you do know how

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Speaker 2: But I'm can't even say one on one. It was

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Speaker 3: It was pre less than zero analytics, right, It was

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Speaker 2: Then you you know, you get to bed whatever hour.

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Speaker 3: The twenty twenty five two game series, like I said,

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting here typing and talking about my posture, slatching

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Speaker 3: now price to pay. He wins the Super Bowl, of

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Speaker 3: And you know, like you said, hard to argue with that.

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Speaker 3: At the ballpark is stam Darnald. I mean, that's why

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Speaker 3: I mean the fact that you're smart enough to get

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Speaker 3: And I was not a Donald fan when he first

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Speaker 3: I can't even imagine that. But it's his path, it's

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Speaker 3: So it's it's tough, man, it's tough, and it's eventually

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Speaker 3: I guess he's going to consider that worthwhile.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, Joe. I mean, I'm not in

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Speaker 1: And you're talking about someone who did not have the advantage,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a position in sports right

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Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you have two young

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Speaker 2: You can't live with that one. You just can't.

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Speaker 3: And I mean the fact that the Steelers are still

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just impossible to play well on a

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Speaker 3: So he got everything stacked in his favor. Bellinger did.

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Speaker 2: Kind of like.

437
00:20:22,278 --> 00:20:24,758
Speaker 3: Unaffected by where they may be playing as a hitter.

438
00:20:25,078 --> 00:20:26,638
Speaker 3: But then there's some and again when it comes to

439
00:20:26,638 --> 00:20:29,838
Speaker 3: pull site power, I think that would really matter where

440
00:20:29,878 --> 00:20:32,438
Speaker 3: you play, like in Boston, like maybe bregnant, I mean

441
00:20:32,718 --> 00:20:35,198
Speaker 3: with that left field wall there being able to pull

442
00:20:35,238 --> 00:20:37,518
Speaker 3: the ball. So long answer, but I really believe it's

443
00:20:37,518 --> 00:20:40,198
Speaker 3: a mental thing and how it fits your eye, and

444
00:20:40,278 --> 00:20:41,838
Speaker 3: I think it can't have an impact on a hitter.

445
00:20:41,998 --> 00:20:44,838
Speaker 1: Yes, eighteen home runs at home last year, eleven on

446
00:20:44,878 --> 00:20:48,478
Speaker 1: the road for Cody Bellinger Yankees, I agree, imperative they

447
00:20:48,518 --> 00:20:51,678
Speaker 1: re signed him, and they did. Jose Ramirez also got

448
00:20:51,678 --> 00:20:55,638
Speaker 1: a new contract, not so lucrative in the grand scheme

449
00:20:55,678 --> 00:20:57,838
Speaker 1: of things. We'll talk about that right after this on

450
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Speaker 1: the Book of Joe. Welcome back to the Book of Joe.

451
00:21:12,358 --> 00:21:16,718
Speaker 1: Jose Ramirez is not going anywhere, folks. He is one

452
00:21:16,758 --> 00:21:20,078
Speaker 1: of the greatest players in Cleveland history, and he did

453
00:21:20,158 --> 00:21:24,198
Speaker 1: sign a reworking of his deal. His new deal actually

454
00:21:25,358 --> 00:21:28,158
Speaker 1: adds one hundred and six million dollars in new money

455
00:21:28,158 --> 00:21:31,158
Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty nine through twenty thirty two seasons,

456
00:21:31,158 --> 00:21:35,518
Speaker 1: so that takes him through age thirty nine season and

457
00:21:35,558 --> 00:21:38,998
Speaker 1: basically works out twenty five million a year with ten

458
00:21:39,038 --> 00:21:42,798
Speaker 1: million deferred. That is a bargain. Well, he's been a

459
00:21:42,798 --> 00:21:44,918
Speaker 1: bargain in his whole career for this franchise, and I

460
00:21:44,918 --> 00:21:48,118
Speaker 1: give him credit. He's playing a place where he's very comfortable,

461
00:21:48,238 --> 00:21:52,318
Speaker 1: likes playing there, and he's had many opportunities to play

462
00:21:52,358 --> 00:21:54,238
Speaker 1: it out and get out there on the free agent market.

463
00:21:54,758 --> 00:21:58,478
Speaker 1: But he is a Cleveland guardian for life and in

464
00:21:58,518 --> 00:22:01,598
Speaker 1: his career, and speaking about his professional life, he now

465
00:22:01,838 --> 00:22:04,838
Speaker 1: assuming this is the end of his deal, he will

466
00:22:04,838 --> 00:22:08,398
Speaker 1: have earned two hundred and three million dollars over eighteen years.

467
00:22:08,478 --> 00:22:11,078
Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker will earn more than that in the next

468
00:22:11,078 --> 00:22:14,398
Speaker 1: four years with the Dodgers and Jose Ramirez. Folks is

469
00:22:14,438 --> 00:22:16,638
Speaker 1: on a Hall of Fame track. He's one of my

470
00:22:16,758 --> 00:22:20,598
Speaker 1: favorite players to watch play, Joe, and it's a lot

471
00:22:20,678 --> 00:22:23,078
Speaker 1: because of you know, when you watch him off the ball,

472
00:22:23,358 --> 00:22:25,718
Speaker 1: you watch him on the basis, it's just amazing. You

473
00:22:25,758 --> 00:22:29,678
Speaker 1: watch them play defense, this guy gives you every ounce

474
00:22:29,678 --> 00:22:32,318
Speaker 1: of effort. You see him active in the dugout, you know,

475
00:22:32,878 --> 00:22:36,798
Speaker 1: not just encouraging players, but sharing information. Baseball IQ off

476
00:22:36,838 --> 00:22:40,598
Speaker 1: the charts. He's the best I've seen since Paul Molitor

477
00:22:40,758 --> 00:22:45,398
Speaker 1: on the basis in terms of secondary leads, good decision making,

478
00:22:45,918 --> 00:22:49,198
Speaker 1: cutting the bases, all those things that you teach. You

479
00:22:49,238 --> 00:22:53,318
Speaker 1: watch Jose Ramirez play, and it's it's textbook baseball.

480
00:22:53,198 --> 00:22:55,558
Speaker 3: Well thousand percent. I've been on this guy from the

481
00:22:55,558 --> 00:22:57,758
Speaker 3: first time I saw him, and that the interesting part

482
00:22:57,838 --> 00:22:59,878
Speaker 3: is that he doesn't look like that.

483
00:22:59,958 --> 00:23:01,038
Speaker 2: He doesn't look like all of that.

484
00:23:01,318 --> 00:23:03,158
Speaker 3: And when you when you first see him, it's like, really,

485
00:23:04,118 --> 00:23:06,918
Speaker 3: you know, not the greatest build, not very tall, doesn't

486
00:23:06,918 --> 00:23:11,318
Speaker 3: look very strong. But again he's an actual real baseball player.

487
00:23:11,318 --> 00:23:13,118
Speaker 2: And I could always camp.

488
00:23:13,238 --> 00:23:15,678
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, as a scout, was a young scout,

489
00:23:15,718 --> 00:23:19,038
Speaker 3: we were always attractor to drawn two supposed to be

490
00:23:19,558 --> 00:23:21,678
Speaker 3: you know, bodies and what a guy looks like and

491
00:23:22,438 --> 00:23:24,558
Speaker 3: does he fit the bill and how does his body

492
00:23:24,598 --> 00:23:27,118
Speaker 3: move and so forth and so on, and like I said,

493
00:23:27,158 --> 00:23:31,478
Speaker 3: Kirby Puckett, Tony Gwynn, you know, although Tony was more

494
00:23:31,558 --> 00:23:33,758
Speaker 3: life at that time, but Kirby was always kind of stout.

495
00:23:33,798 --> 00:23:36,318
Speaker 3: But there's there's all these anomaly bodies and that's the

496
00:23:36,318 --> 00:23:38,918
Speaker 3: beauty of our game too. That played baseball really well,

497
00:23:39,438 --> 00:23:44,358
Speaker 3: and he does, I mean switch hitter, plays everything right,

498
00:23:44,838 --> 00:23:48,038
Speaker 3: throws extremely well. There's not a weak part of this

499
00:23:48,078 --> 00:23:51,678
Speaker 3: guy's game. And he hits from both sides of the plate. Again,

500
00:23:51,758 --> 00:23:55,438
Speaker 3: I was a huge fan from the moment. Who is

501
00:23:55,478 --> 00:23:57,998
Speaker 3: that guy? Whoa really he could do that because when

502
00:23:58,038 --> 00:23:59,998
Speaker 3: you look at him, like I said, it doesn't equate.

503
00:24:00,518 --> 00:24:04,238
Speaker 3: But good for the Indians and from his perspective, tire

504
00:24:04,398 --> 00:24:08,558
Speaker 3: as excuse me, the Guardians, it's it's it's wonderful for

505
00:24:08,638 --> 00:24:10,958
Speaker 3: that organization, for that city. You know, if he had

506
00:24:10,998 --> 00:24:13,198
Speaker 3: gone elsewhere, he chose to go somewhere else. I mean,

507
00:24:13,918 --> 00:24:16,238
Speaker 3: obviously would have made a lot more dough than that.

508
00:24:17,158 --> 00:24:19,598
Speaker 3: But at some point he probably realized, I think I

509
00:24:19,598 --> 00:24:22,318
Speaker 3: have enough and this is gonna suit me and my

510
00:24:22,398 --> 00:24:26,398
Speaker 3: family and my grandkids for generations to come. So bully

511
00:24:26,478 --> 00:24:28,878
Speaker 3: for him, bully for the guardians. But this guy is

512
00:24:28,958 --> 00:24:29,318
Speaker 3: all of that.

513
00:24:29,638 --> 00:24:31,358
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point you made about you know,

514
00:24:31,398 --> 00:24:36,118
Speaker 1: the body type. It's not textbook, I guess. But until

515
00:24:36,158 --> 00:24:39,198
Speaker 1: you see him actually move right, I mean standing still,

516
00:24:39,278 --> 00:24:41,678
Speaker 1: you may raise an eyebrown and say who is this guy?

517
00:24:42,158 --> 00:24:44,598
Speaker 1: But I love the bounce that he has in his step.

518
00:24:44,718 --> 00:24:46,638
Speaker 1: I mean it's a literal bounce in his step. This

519
00:24:46,678 --> 00:24:49,958
Speaker 1: guy has so much joy playing the game, and he

520
00:24:50,198 --> 00:24:53,518
Speaker 1: is light and quick on his feet, even at his size.

521
00:24:53,558 --> 00:24:57,318
Speaker 1: So again, I watched him run the bases, and I

522
00:24:57,358 --> 00:24:59,478
Speaker 1: wish there was a stat where they kept track of

523
00:24:59,518 --> 00:25:02,598
Speaker 1: this hustle doubles, you know, first step out of the

524
00:25:02,638 --> 00:25:05,598
Speaker 1: batter's box where you're thinking too. I guarantee you Jose

525
00:25:05,798 --> 00:25:09,438
Speaker 1: Ramirez would be among the league leaders every single year.

526
00:25:09,718 --> 00:25:12,158
Speaker 1: I don't care what eddiot is, what the score of

527
00:25:12,158 --> 00:25:14,758
Speaker 1: the game is. He only knows one way to play.

528
00:25:16,198 --> 00:25:18,358
Speaker 1: Just that's the kind of guy you want as a

529
00:25:18,398 --> 00:25:22,478
Speaker 1: franchise player, because then you watch the way Cleveland plays baseball,

530
00:25:22,718 --> 00:25:24,838
Speaker 1: and you're going to play like Jose Ramirez if you're

531
00:25:24,878 --> 00:25:26,838
Speaker 1: on that team. You know, I go back. You mentioned

532
00:25:26,878 --> 00:25:30,838
Speaker 1: Kirby Pucket. Tom Kelly always talking about it was so

533
00:25:30,998 --> 00:25:35,238
Speaker 1: important when your best player plays the game the hardest.

534
00:25:35,558 --> 00:25:38,038
Speaker 1: So anybody who shows up realizes, man, I got to

535
00:25:38,118 --> 00:25:39,758
Speaker 1: keep up with that guy. I got to give you

536
00:25:39,878 --> 00:25:42,678
Speaker 1: ninety feet every time. That's Jose Ramirez to me.

537
00:25:43,158 --> 00:25:46,558
Speaker 2: Two examples on that. First of all, Kirby Puckett.

538
00:25:46,798 --> 00:25:51,118
Speaker 3: I'm like scouting the Junior College World Series in Grand Junction, Colorado.

539
00:25:51,238 --> 00:25:52,838
Speaker 3: I think it's my first or second year, doing eight

540
00:25:52,838 --> 00:25:54,318
Speaker 3: eighty one to eighty two, whatever it was.

541
00:25:54,998 --> 00:25:55,638
Speaker 2: And they're playing.

542
00:25:55,678 --> 00:25:59,878
Speaker 3: Triton's playing and this not a very like Adonnis built

543
00:25:59,958 --> 00:26:01,718
Speaker 3: kind of dude out in right field. But he goes

544
00:26:01,758 --> 00:26:04,678
Speaker 3: to the right field line, picks up a groundball, does

545
00:26:04,678 --> 00:26:07,598
Speaker 3: a spin turn and I said, oh my god, I

546
00:26:07,598 --> 00:26:09,598
Speaker 3: mean the way the ball came out of his hand

547
00:26:09,598 --> 00:26:13,118
Speaker 3: and weigh everything, accuracy, all that kind of good stuff.

548
00:26:14,318 --> 00:26:18,318
Speaker 3: Just from that one play, you fall in love Regarding

549
00:26:18,398 --> 00:26:23,278
Speaker 3: the hustle component spring training game port Charlotte. I don't

550
00:26:23,278 --> 00:26:26,438
Speaker 3: know Clint Hurdle was the manager of the Pirates. I

551
00:26:26,438 --> 00:26:30,598
Speaker 3: believe at that time two outs ninth inning, Pirates are

552
00:26:30,638 --> 00:26:31,678
Speaker 3: hitting two outs.

553
00:26:31,798 --> 00:26:33,078
Speaker 2: We're leading like seven, one to eight.

554
00:26:33,078 --> 00:26:37,518
Speaker 3: When whatever McCutcheon hits a ground ball, the short routine

555
00:26:37,518 --> 00:26:40,758
Speaker 3: ground ball is short. I mean, could not be more routine.

556
00:26:41,158 --> 00:26:44,758
Speaker 3: Two outs, ninth inning, Spring training, Port Charlotte, late at night,

557
00:26:44,798 --> 00:26:47,478
Speaker 3: beats it out. I could not wait to talk to

558
00:26:48,318 --> 00:26:50,678
Speaker 3: I waited for Clint to walk out of the Dugoup

559
00:26:50,758 --> 00:26:52,038
Speaker 3: as we're exiting to feel and.

560
00:26:51,998 --> 00:26:55,398
Speaker 2: Say, my god, man, you gotta love that.

561
00:26:55,398 --> 00:26:58,158
Speaker 3: That's like one of the most impressive things I've ever seen,

562
00:26:58,358 --> 00:27:01,038
Speaker 3: just like you're talking about regarding setting a tone for

563
00:27:01,078 --> 00:27:02,118
Speaker 3: the entire organization.

564
00:27:02,638 --> 00:27:04,638
Speaker 2: So that bomb that day.

565
00:27:05,838 --> 00:27:10,718
Speaker 3: I became the hugest fan of McCutcheon because that's that's

566
00:27:10,798 --> 00:27:13,318
Speaker 3: exactly what you're looking for. And then you get all

567
00:27:13,358 --> 00:27:16,038
Speaker 3: these different guys saying different reasons why they can't run

568
00:27:16,198 --> 00:27:19,078
Speaker 3: that hard that all the time, whatever the the fear

569
00:27:19,118 --> 00:27:20,558
Speaker 3: of getting here. My god, we used to have to

570
00:27:20,638 --> 00:27:23,198
Speaker 3: run sixty yard dashes. We used to run guys during

571
00:27:23,198 --> 00:27:25,518
Speaker 3: spring training. Everybody ran a sixty yard dash. Was a

572
00:27:25,518 --> 00:27:27,878
Speaker 3: big thing to be the fastest guy in a sixty

573
00:27:27,958 --> 00:27:29,798
Speaker 3: yard dash, and then you do it among your your

574
00:27:29,798 --> 00:27:31,438
Speaker 3: positional group. So I at least I had a chance

575
00:27:31,438 --> 00:27:34,998
Speaker 3: among the catchers. I mean it was like, it's it's

576
00:27:35,078 --> 00:27:39,438
Speaker 3: so refreshing to see stuff like that. And yeah, so

577
00:27:40,678 --> 00:27:43,838
Speaker 3: fan for Life of Ramirez, Fan for life of Kirby,

578
00:27:43,998 --> 00:27:48,758
Speaker 3: Tony Gwynn, and McCutcheon one lonely night in Port Charlotte

579
00:27:48,798 --> 00:27:50,158
Speaker 3: showed everybody what he was made of.

580
00:27:50,318 --> 00:27:52,638
Speaker 1: That's amazing the way those moments really stick with you,

581
00:27:52,678 --> 00:27:56,158
Speaker 1: they really stand out. I mentioned Mackenzie Gore. I don't

582
00:27:56,158 --> 00:27:59,358
Speaker 1: know if you remember Von Hayes, the outfielder. Of course,

583
00:27:59,518 --> 00:28:02,438
Speaker 1: I was run Vaughn and to developed the nickname when

584
00:28:02,478 --> 00:28:05,438
Speaker 1: he gets traded from Cleveland's in Cleveland to the Phillies

585
00:28:06,558 --> 00:28:09,478
Speaker 1: mister five for one, because it was a big deal.

586
00:28:09,478 --> 00:28:13,038
Speaker 1: They traded five players for him, including Julio Franco in

587
00:28:13,158 --> 00:28:16,238
Speaker 1: that deal. But that's mackenzie Gore. He's the new version

588
00:28:16,238 --> 00:28:19,238
Speaker 1: of Von Hayes five for one. The Texas Rangers traded

589
00:28:19,318 --> 00:28:23,678
Speaker 1: five prospects the Washington Nationals for McKenzie Gory. He's got

590
00:28:23,678 --> 00:28:27,918
Speaker 1: two years left on his contract. Five players for a

591
00:28:27,958 --> 00:28:30,718
Speaker 1: guy who is twenty six and forty one with a

592
00:28:30,798 --> 00:28:35,078
Speaker 1: four to one to nine ERA and his adjusted ERA

593
00:28:35,438 --> 00:28:39,158
Speaker 1: for his career is ninety eight. So that is below average.

594
00:28:39,478 --> 00:28:41,958
Speaker 1: You're saying, Wait a second, that's Mackenzie Gore. Man. This

595
00:28:42,038 --> 00:28:46,158
Speaker 1: guy strikes out a ton of batters, left hander, great velocity,

596
00:28:46,358 --> 00:28:51,958
Speaker 1: great breaking pitches, but his numbers do not tell you

597
00:28:51,998 --> 00:28:55,558
Speaker 1: that he's a front of the rotation pitcher. So here's

598
00:28:55,558 --> 00:28:58,918
Speaker 1: what's happening, Joe. Everybody thinks, now, I think, even more

599
00:28:58,958 --> 00:29:01,518
Speaker 1: so than ever, let's get our hands on this guy

600
00:29:01,558 --> 00:29:03,878
Speaker 1: and we can change him, right. I mean, we see

601
00:29:04,198 --> 00:29:06,958
Speaker 1: something there. We know he's got the ability to miss bats.

602
00:29:07,798 --> 00:29:10,438
Speaker 1: Left handed throws hard. There's not many of those in

603
00:29:10,478 --> 00:29:12,438
Speaker 1: the universe. There's more of them than it used to be.

604
00:29:13,598 --> 00:29:16,398
Speaker 1: But let's see, let's get this guy in here and

605
00:29:16,478 --> 00:29:20,038
Speaker 1: let's see what we can do with Mackenzie Gore. So

606
00:29:20,078 --> 00:29:23,918
Speaker 1: he's got a pretty interesting track wreck, a body of

607
00:29:23,958 --> 00:29:27,078
Speaker 1: work here that suggests he should be better, almost like

608
00:29:27,158 --> 00:29:30,358
Speaker 1: Dylan Cee is going to Toronto Blue Jays. What do

609
00:29:30,398 --> 00:29:33,998
Speaker 1: you see about Gore and the overall philosophy that, hey,

610
00:29:34,038 --> 00:29:35,518
Speaker 1: he's going to be better for us.

611
00:29:35,998 --> 00:29:39,198
Speaker 3: Whether you're assessments one hundred percent. I mean because I

612
00:29:39,438 --> 00:29:41,598
Speaker 3: actually uttered that phrase often when we were going to

613
00:29:41,638 --> 00:29:44,358
Speaker 3: acquire somebody. Oh, let us get our hands on him.

614
00:29:44,638 --> 00:29:47,998
Speaker 3: We're different, We're going to make this guy better. You know,

615
00:29:48,038 --> 00:29:49,718
Speaker 3: I can't say that it's not true. We were able

616
00:29:49,758 --> 00:29:51,958
Speaker 3: to do that in some situations. But to me, this

617
00:29:52,078 --> 00:29:53,518
Speaker 3: is an analytical call right here.

618
00:29:53,558 --> 00:29:56,278
Speaker 2: This is something. This is and under the hood evaluation.

619
00:29:57,278 --> 00:29:59,398
Speaker 3: Looking at the kind of numbers that you're talking about

620
00:29:59,438 --> 00:30:01,838
Speaker 3: that are a little bit not as spoken about as

621
00:30:01,878 --> 00:30:04,838
Speaker 3: often or like maybe a proprietary to that particular organization,

622
00:30:05,198 --> 00:30:07,198
Speaker 3: things that they look at and they see that they like.

623
00:30:07,758 --> 00:30:11,118
Speaker 3: So I think part of it's that and the fact

624
00:30:11,158 --> 00:30:12,918
Speaker 3: that Texas just drank from the cup a couple of

625
00:30:12,998 --> 00:30:15,638
Speaker 3: years ago. They got some a lot of new stuff

626
00:30:15,678 --> 00:30:17,958
Speaker 3: going on there. They're trying to get back their asap.

627
00:30:18,118 --> 00:30:20,718
Speaker 3: And I know see why Chris Young, the GM I

628
00:30:20,798 --> 00:30:22,958
Speaker 3: was there. I love the man, absolutely love him.

629
00:30:23,078 --> 00:30:25,438
Speaker 2: I do. I think he's one of the best. So whatever, I.

630
00:30:27,358 --> 00:30:30,158
Speaker 3: Know that that he knows exactly what he's getting into

631
00:30:30,638 --> 00:30:33,198
Speaker 3: and he did it for specific reason. And then the

632
00:30:33,278 --> 00:30:35,638
Speaker 3: five prospects, I know that's a big number, but who

633
00:30:35,638 --> 00:30:39,198
Speaker 3: knows what these guys actually look like and I'm always

634
00:30:39,198 --> 00:30:41,878
Speaker 3: curious about that. But Gore's got great stuff, There's no

635
00:30:42,198 --> 00:30:45,198
Speaker 3: question about it. I've seen it and I've heard about

636
00:30:45,238 --> 00:30:48,518
Speaker 3: him often, but not to have realized that potential yet.

637
00:30:48,558 --> 00:30:49,358
Speaker 2: How old is he?

638
00:30:49,398 --> 00:30:51,558
Speaker 1: Tommy twenty seven in February.

639
00:30:51,798 --> 00:30:55,758
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that's the perfect number for me. When

640
00:30:55,798 --> 00:30:57,878
Speaker 3: you're like the second or third team, they get a

641
00:30:58,038 --> 00:31:00,958
Speaker 3: real talent at that age. And I guess I'm talking

642
00:31:00,998 --> 00:31:04,838
Speaker 3: pitching specifically. That's kind of interesting. I mean, that's kind

643
00:31:04,838 --> 00:31:08,158
Speaker 3: of like the sweet spot for when guys get over

644
00:31:08,238 --> 00:31:10,718
Speaker 3: some stuff, they kind of figure some stuff out, and

645
00:31:10,758 --> 00:31:12,798
Speaker 3: you know, you're right. The numbers are less than beautiful

646
00:31:12,918 --> 00:31:15,398
Speaker 3: to be able to but that's how it works anymore.

647
00:31:15,758 --> 00:31:18,078
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily based on win loss and all that

648
00:31:18,118 --> 00:31:23,158
Speaker 3: other stuff. We're still judging potentials right here. So yeah,

649
00:31:23,238 --> 00:31:25,758
Speaker 3: that's a good number for me. Twenty seven, with all

650
00:31:25,798 --> 00:31:29,198
Speaker 3: the prefer reies, all the potentialities with this dude, I

651
00:31:29,198 --> 00:31:31,478
Speaker 3: could kind of understand it. And again not knowing the

652
00:31:31,518 --> 00:31:32,958
Speaker 3: five prospects that were sent out in.

653
00:31:32,878 --> 00:31:36,558
Speaker 1: Return well last year. First of all, is walk rate's

654
00:31:36,598 --> 00:31:38,038
Speaker 1: too high. They've got to get him in the strike

655
00:31:38,118 --> 00:31:42,158
Speaker 1: some more. Walk rate is above average. The numbers suggest

656
00:31:42,278 --> 00:31:44,038
Speaker 1: it just wasn't a good year when you look at

657
00:31:44,038 --> 00:31:47,598
Speaker 1: a batting average, on base percentage, slugging eggs, and velocity

658
00:31:47,678 --> 00:31:51,478
Speaker 1: hard hit rate all worse than major league average. Okay,

659
00:31:52,238 --> 00:31:56,518
Speaker 1: but here's the good news for Texas. His closest comp

660
00:31:56,718 --> 00:32:00,118
Speaker 1: both in terms of age and his career numbers to

661
00:32:00,198 --> 00:32:04,318
Speaker 1: this point, is Haesu's Lozardo. Look what happened when Hayesus

662
00:32:04,358 --> 00:32:08,198
Speaker 1: Lozard I went to the Philadelphia Phillies. They added a sweeper,

663
00:32:08,238 --> 00:32:11,318
Speaker 1: which he hadn't thrown before. He reduced his number of sliders,

664
00:32:11,318 --> 00:32:13,278
Speaker 1: which hadn't been a great pitch. The sweeper turned out

665
00:32:13,318 --> 00:32:15,878
Speaker 1: to be a great pitch for him, and they tweaked

666
00:32:15,878 --> 00:32:18,558
Speaker 1: this change up. His change up was much better last year.

667
00:32:18,638 --> 00:32:21,958
Speaker 1: The guy had a breakout season. I can see the

668
00:32:21,998 --> 00:32:24,838
Speaker 1: same thing happening here with Mackenzie Gore. First of all,

669
00:32:25,198 --> 00:32:27,718
Speaker 1: his fastball doesn't have a lot of spin on it.

670
00:32:27,718 --> 00:32:31,278
Speaker 1: It gets hit. He does control the top of the

671
00:32:31,278 --> 00:32:33,438
Speaker 1: strike zone very well, but if he's not on the

672
00:32:33,478 --> 00:32:35,998
Speaker 1: top rail with his forcing fastball, it gets hit. I'd

673
00:32:36,038 --> 00:32:38,558
Speaker 1: like to see them add a two seam fastball. I

674
00:32:38,598 --> 00:32:42,478
Speaker 1: think he needs another fastball the change up is well

675
00:32:42,518 --> 00:32:46,238
Speaker 1: below average pitch. Now. I don't know what success you've had,

676
00:32:46,318 --> 00:32:48,918
Speaker 1: Joe with people tweaking their change ups, but something's not

677
00:32:49,038 --> 00:32:53,198
Speaker 1: working there. When you allow a slugging percentage over five

678
00:32:53,398 --> 00:32:55,798
Speaker 1: hundred on your change up and you're throwing it ten

679
00:32:55,838 --> 00:32:58,318
Speaker 1: percent of the time, which is a lot for a changeup,

680
00:32:59,078 --> 00:33:01,878
Speaker 1: that's going to need some work. So to me, I

681
00:33:01,878 --> 00:33:05,638
Speaker 1: would add a two seam fastball for McKenzie gore to

682
00:33:05,678 --> 00:33:08,398
Speaker 1: have something going the other way, and I'd see what's

683
00:33:08,438 --> 00:33:10,678
Speaker 1: going on with the change up there. So I think

684
00:33:10,718 --> 00:33:13,278
Speaker 1: it is a matter of looking at his stuff and

685
00:33:13,318 --> 00:33:16,758
Speaker 1: how he uses it. But the fastball, to me, is

686
00:33:16,798 --> 00:33:18,998
Speaker 1: an issue. I don't know what's going to change there.

687
00:33:19,038 --> 00:33:21,398
Speaker 1: You can't change the spin rate of a fastball, not

688
00:33:21,478 --> 00:33:24,918
Speaker 1: unless you start using sticky stuff. So he's got to

689
00:33:24,958 --> 00:33:27,758
Speaker 1: deal with that. Again. I like it finds top of

690
00:33:27,798 --> 00:33:30,598
Speaker 1: the zone, but it's not a great pitch. He is

691
00:33:30,678 --> 00:33:33,718
Speaker 1: a great breaking ball pitcher, but I think the equalizer

692
00:33:33,798 --> 00:33:36,878
Speaker 1: for him, because he does face somebody right handed hitters,

693
00:33:36,998 --> 00:33:38,358
Speaker 1: is going to be that change up.

694
00:33:38,558 --> 00:33:42,238
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's hard to develop change ups later, I've found.

695
00:33:42,318 --> 00:33:45,198
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a field pitch and normally by the

696
00:33:45,238 --> 00:33:47,678
Speaker 3: time he's twenty seven to twenty eight, unless they split

697
00:33:47,718 --> 00:33:49,518
Speaker 3: his fingers and try to get him like a different grips.

698
00:33:49,518 --> 00:33:50,398
Speaker 2: I don't even know how much.

699
00:33:50,638 --> 00:33:53,918
Speaker 3: I'm sure they researched this a bit, but you know what,

700
00:33:54,038 --> 00:33:57,718
Speaker 3: he's tried to this point, and that would be important

701
00:33:57,718 --> 00:34:00,998
Speaker 3: for me to know. Also, specifically, like it sounds to

702
00:34:01,038 --> 00:34:03,838
Speaker 3: me like he doesn't get in enough on right handed hitters.

703
00:34:03,998 --> 00:34:05,558
Speaker 2: That true, do is you not get in on right.

704
00:34:05,518 --> 00:34:09,038
Speaker 1: E's Yeah, I think it's probably some truth to that, Yeah,

705
00:34:09,238 --> 00:34:11,438
Speaker 1: because I think it's probably showing up in the slug

706
00:34:11,478 --> 00:34:14,398
Speaker 1: against the changeup, where you just don't establish it enough

707
00:34:14,438 --> 00:34:15,798
Speaker 1: for that change up to work. Well.

708
00:34:15,998 --> 00:34:18,238
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would almost say a cut fastball

709
00:34:18,518 --> 00:34:22,758
Speaker 3: sounds interesting to me against right handed hitters. He just

710
00:34:22,798 --> 00:34:24,558
Speaker 3: needs to jam him up, but probably has to get

711
00:34:24,598 --> 00:34:26,878
Speaker 3: a little less comfortable. They're always hanging out over the plate,

712
00:34:26,918 --> 00:34:30,758
Speaker 3: they're not concerned about a whole lot. Then it becomes

713
00:34:30,918 --> 00:34:33,318
Speaker 3: a little bit easier for the hitter to make that

714
00:34:33,438 --> 00:34:35,998
Speaker 3: kind of an adjustment. You're right, the breaking ball is

715
00:34:35,998 --> 00:34:39,438
Speaker 3: good and it can get underneath a right hander, but

716
00:34:39,478 --> 00:34:42,838
Speaker 3: if that's his thing and the fastball really becomes kind

717
00:34:42,838 --> 00:34:44,638
Speaker 3: of moot to these guys, you know, they could kind

718
00:34:44,678 --> 00:34:47,038
Speaker 3: of attempt at least lay off of that. I know

719
00:34:47,078 --> 00:34:48,838
Speaker 3: he gets the strike out, I get all that, but

720
00:34:49,518 --> 00:34:51,278
Speaker 3: there's a mistake in there. It sounds like there's a

721
00:34:51,318 --> 00:34:53,718
Speaker 3: mistake in there. Almost peret bat or pe at bat

722
00:34:53,718 --> 00:34:56,558
Speaker 3: in a big situation. So I would bet they're going

723
00:34:56,638 --> 00:34:59,238
Speaker 3: to start off with something hard in to the right

724
00:34:59,278 --> 00:35:03,278
Speaker 3: hander because it's been my experience more recently that the

725
00:35:03,358 --> 00:35:05,598
Speaker 3: lefties that really just there used to be a time

726
00:35:05,638 --> 00:35:07,318
Speaker 3: down in a way was very safe, and it kind

727
00:35:07,318 --> 00:35:10,958
Speaker 3: of can be, but it's safer if you can establish

728
00:35:11,078 --> 00:35:13,638
Speaker 3: inside to really get to that point because you got

729
00:35:13,678 --> 00:35:15,078
Speaker 3: to give this guy that they hit her more.

730
00:35:14,998 --> 00:35:15,318
Speaker 2: Than one thing.

731
00:35:15,398 --> 00:35:17,478
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always fascinating to me as I go around

732
00:35:17,558 --> 00:35:20,598
Speaker 1: early in spring training camps to see, you know, who's

733
00:35:20,638 --> 00:35:24,038
Speaker 1: throwing different pitches, and you can get these stories every

734
00:35:24,078 --> 00:35:27,678
Speaker 1: year someone has worked on not just the new pitch,

735
00:35:27,758 --> 00:35:30,318
Speaker 1: but the grip, the spin, especially with the way we

736
00:35:30,398 --> 00:35:34,558
Speaker 1: track the spin access and spin rates these days, there's

737
00:35:34,598 --> 00:35:36,078
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff going on right now. But

738
00:35:36,118 --> 00:35:37,998
Speaker 1: it does make a difference. And I think Joe now

739
00:35:38,078 --> 00:35:41,278
Speaker 1: that the way the world is, there are a lot

740
00:35:41,318 --> 00:35:43,958
Speaker 1: of success stories about there out there, about guys who

741
00:35:43,998 --> 00:35:45,718
Speaker 1: either added a pitch or tweaked the pitch.

742
00:35:48,678 --> 00:35:50,478
Speaker 2: Yeah, I again, I'm all about it.

743
00:35:51,398 --> 00:35:55,438
Speaker 3: And I would bet that the proprietary information that the

744
00:35:55,518 --> 00:35:59,438
Speaker 3: Rangers seem to have that they absolutely believe in this

745
00:35:59,518 --> 00:36:02,398
Speaker 3: guy fit that well very well. They have strong opinions

746
00:36:02,438 --> 00:36:05,998
Speaker 3: of what they can do. And that's that's where the

747
00:36:06,078 --> 00:36:08,158
Speaker 3: that's where the bet was made on those kind of

748
00:36:08,198 --> 00:36:11,438
Speaker 3: adjustments right there. Again, I I just I wish I'd

749
00:36:11,438 --> 00:36:13,038
Speaker 3: seen more of him to give you a little bit

750
00:36:13,038 --> 00:36:15,678
Speaker 3: better thoughts. I mean, I'm generalizing a bit here, but

751
00:36:15,718 --> 00:36:17,598
Speaker 3: it just sounds I would start in on the right

752
00:36:17,598 --> 00:36:18,118
Speaker 3: handed hitter.

753
00:36:18,598 --> 00:36:19,678
Speaker 2: Does he dominate lefties?

754
00:36:19,838 --> 00:36:21,998
Speaker 1: And see a lot of them? But he does. I

755
00:36:22,038 --> 00:36:25,478
Speaker 1: mean his his breaking stuff is both two breaking pitches,

756
00:36:25,478 --> 00:36:27,758
Speaker 1: the slyer and curveball, both well above average.

757
00:36:30,318 --> 00:36:32,638
Speaker 2: Okay, then it's then it. Yeah, then then he doesn't

758
00:36:32,718 --> 00:36:33,038
Speaker 2: have to.

759
00:36:34,518 --> 00:36:36,638
Speaker 3: Expanded the with of the plate on these writings and

760
00:36:36,678 --> 00:36:38,758
Speaker 3: not just let them be so comfortable in one area.

761
00:36:39,758 --> 00:36:41,598
Speaker 3: Just give them one more thing to think about at

762
00:36:41,678 --> 00:36:44,678
Speaker 3: least here. But it's hard man for me. The change

763
00:36:44,718 --> 00:36:47,638
Speaker 3: up is such a field pitch if you haven't had

764
00:36:47,718 --> 00:36:49,558
Speaker 3: if he if at one time he had a decent

765
00:36:49,638 --> 00:36:52,558
Speaker 3: change up. Okay, I'd be more optimistic if he's never

766
00:36:52,598 --> 00:36:54,998
Speaker 3: really had a decent change up. It might come down

767
00:36:54,998 --> 00:36:56,878
Speaker 3: to splitting his fingers and just trying to give him

768
00:36:56,918 --> 00:37:00,118
Speaker 3: something like that in order to throw the ball normally

769
00:37:00,158 --> 00:37:02,958
Speaker 3: and just have the natural reaction coming out of the

770
00:37:03,238 --> 00:37:06,718
Speaker 3: split rip, as opposed to trying to manufacture or obtain

771
00:37:07,198 --> 00:37:09,678
Speaker 3: a feel for throwing a legitimate straight change up or

772
00:37:09,758 --> 00:37:11,758
Speaker 3: a change up that maybe has a little bit down

773
00:37:11,878 --> 00:37:13,438
Speaker 3: down and in run to the right handed hitter.

774
00:37:13,638 --> 00:37:15,878
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point, a great suggestion. I think

775
00:37:15,958 --> 00:37:18,038
Speaker 1: I'd also look into the see if you can throw

776
00:37:18,038 --> 00:37:21,318
Speaker 1: one of these kick change ups, you know, for guys

777
00:37:21,598 --> 00:37:25,998
Speaker 1: who have problems, you know, kind of getting that that

778
00:37:26,798 --> 00:37:30,438
Speaker 1: gyro spin on a change up just to have a

779
00:37:30,598 --> 00:37:34,958
Speaker 1: kind of pushed out of the finger without pronating. Who knows,

780
00:37:34,998 --> 00:37:37,398
Speaker 1: But I do think they'll get him in the lab.

781
00:37:37,518 --> 00:37:39,638
Speaker 1: They'll figure things out. And I agree with you, Joe,

782
00:37:39,718 --> 00:37:42,878
Speaker 1: he's at the perfect age in terms of just chronologically

783
00:37:42,998 --> 00:37:46,118
Speaker 1: and baseball age in terms of experience that it could

784
00:37:46,118 --> 00:37:48,518
Speaker 1: be a breakout year on what could be an outstanding

785
00:37:48,598 --> 00:37:51,558
Speaker 1: pitching staff. With the way Jack Lighter broke out last

786
00:37:51,638 --> 00:37:56,718
Speaker 1: year of Aldi coming back Nathan Jacob m Gram as well.

787
00:37:57,718 --> 00:38:01,318
Speaker 1: There are now more of a pitching oriented team than offensively.

788
00:38:02,238 --> 00:38:05,198
Speaker 1: And hey, speaking of winners and lou users, I mentioned

789
00:38:05,278 --> 00:38:08,558
Speaker 1: I've got the numbers of the American car sales last year.

790
00:38:08,878 --> 00:38:11,198
Speaker 1: We're going to dive into the winners and losers from

791
00:38:11,238 --> 00:38:14,078
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. What are people buying? What are they

792
00:38:14,118 --> 00:38:17,678
Speaker 1: not buying? Interesting stuff? We'll get into that right after this.

793
00:38:30,078 --> 00:38:32,038
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Book of Joe. We like talking

794
00:38:32,078 --> 00:38:33,038
Speaker 1: about cars here.

795
00:38:32,998 --> 00:38:35,278
Speaker 2: Right Joe, Yes, love it absolutely.

796
00:38:35,398 --> 00:38:37,638
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at these numbers and I found it interesting.

797
00:38:37,718 --> 00:38:41,238
Speaker 1: First of all car sales up to sixteen point one

798
00:38:41,398 --> 00:38:43,878
Speaker 1: seven million last year, it was only up two point

799
00:38:43,918 --> 00:38:46,478
Speaker 1: four percent. It was pretty flat. Wasn't a great year.

800
00:38:47,358 --> 00:38:52,238
Speaker 1: What's interesting is what's doing well here. The big winners

801
00:38:52,678 --> 00:38:56,678
Speaker 1: in terms of cars the makers. Toyota was up eight percent.

802
00:38:56,718 --> 00:39:00,718
Speaker 1: I'm sorry eight percent. Toyota's up because they're basically selling

803
00:39:00,838 --> 00:39:06,558
Speaker 1: affordable cars, which Detroit has pretty much abandoned. Detroit is

804
00:39:06,598 --> 00:39:11,398
Speaker 1: on the whole you know, SUV pickup truck brigade here,

805
00:39:11,958 --> 00:39:14,398
Speaker 1: and then you have Hondai was the other big winner.

806
00:39:14,558 --> 00:39:17,438
Speaker 1: They were up eight percent. Why they're selling a lot

807
00:39:17,438 --> 00:39:21,318
Speaker 1: of hybrids, and Detroit also isn't really going down for that.

808
00:39:21,878 --> 00:39:24,518
Speaker 1: So what you're seeing is the American car market is

809
00:39:24,558 --> 00:39:27,598
Speaker 1: really continuing to be driven by this demand, if you will,

810
00:39:27,678 --> 00:39:32,318
Speaker 1: or thirst for these big vehicles, these SUVs. You see

811
00:39:32,358 --> 00:39:33,998
Speaker 1: the ads on TV like you're going to drive it

812
00:39:34,038 --> 00:39:36,038
Speaker 1: through the outback or something and you just pick up

813
00:39:36,078 --> 00:39:40,398
Speaker 1: your kid at school. So they the profit margin on

814
00:39:40,438 --> 00:39:43,958
Speaker 1: those is better as well. But man, if you want

815
00:39:44,318 --> 00:39:47,758
Speaker 1: just an affordable car, you're basically not getting that from Detroit.

816
00:39:49,438 --> 00:39:52,758
Speaker 1: Give me your first reaction to that, Joe, that the

817
00:39:52,798 --> 00:39:56,998
Speaker 1: winners here are markets that the American car buyer is

818
00:39:57,038 --> 00:39:59,958
Speaker 1: having to look elsewhere for to foreign companies.

819
00:40:00,358 --> 00:40:02,718
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't grow up in the cultures that we did,

820
00:40:03,118 --> 00:40:03,518
Speaker 2: for sure.

821
00:40:04,038 --> 00:40:04,158
Speaker 1: No.

822
00:40:05,598 --> 00:40:09,318
Speaker 3: I just got a twenty twenty two Ford Expedition, the

823
00:40:09,398 --> 00:40:11,398
Speaker 3: Platinum version, and I absolutely love it. I've never been

824
00:40:11,438 --> 00:40:13,718
Speaker 3: a Ford guy, but I really dig on this vehicle.

825
00:40:14,398 --> 00:40:18,758
Speaker 3: And yes, I do like that, you know, he says.

826
00:40:18,758 --> 00:40:21,118
Speaker 3: You know, I have several vehicles. I don't drive them often,

827
00:40:21,278 --> 00:40:23,798
Speaker 3: but my other favorite is my Hellcat, you know. And

828
00:40:23,838 --> 00:40:27,438
Speaker 3: that's also something that is the antithesis of a Toyota

829
00:40:27,518 --> 00:40:30,398
Speaker 3: or a Hyundai. You know, I recently rented a car

830
00:40:30,438 --> 00:40:32,398
Speaker 3: to drive the Canada was a Genesis. It was like

831
00:40:32,398 --> 00:40:35,198
Speaker 3: a regular sedan and I hated it. You know, there's

832
00:40:35,198 --> 00:40:36,998
Speaker 3: no room in these things. There's no room. You sit

833
00:40:37,118 --> 00:40:39,918
Speaker 3: on the ground when you're used to sitting up tall.

834
00:40:39,998 --> 00:40:42,518
Speaker 3: You just feel better about it. You see better cars

835
00:40:42,558 --> 00:40:45,918
Speaker 3: like that, the Hundai, Toyota, whatever that would be. They

836
00:40:45,918 --> 00:40:48,958
Speaker 3: do have some decent larger vehicles too, especially their truck,

837
00:40:49,038 --> 00:40:52,558
Speaker 3: the Toyota truck. But I just think that's a sign

838
00:40:52,638 --> 00:40:54,958
Speaker 3: of the times of the who's the purchasing power of

839
00:40:55,358 --> 00:41:01,118
Speaker 3: the younger component of our society. Everybody's talking about affordability

840
00:41:01,158 --> 00:41:05,238
Speaker 3: about everything. Cars like this run forever too. They normally,

841
00:41:05,318 --> 00:41:07,678
Speaker 3: you know, create good gas mileage. They're not in the

842
00:41:07,718 --> 00:41:10,398
Speaker 3: shop all the time. They're very dependable. You could say

843
00:41:10,398 --> 00:41:13,118
Speaker 3: all those different things about it, and there's no argument whatsoever.

844
00:41:13,478 --> 00:41:16,398
Speaker 3: They're solid vehicles and they do they do run further.

845
00:41:16,398 --> 00:41:18,718
Speaker 3: But they're no fun. They're just no fun. I mean,

846
00:41:18,758 --> 00:41:22,118
Speaker 3: I like to I like to drive something that is fun.

847
00:41:22,118 --> 00:41:23,798
Speaker 3: I want to hear my car when I drive it,

848
00:41:23,878 --> 00:41:26,038
Speaker 3: so you know, I'll get you get criticized for that,

849
00:41:26,118 --> 00:41:27,318
Speaker 3: and really, who cares?

850
00:41:27,438 --> 00:41:27,678
Speaker 2: Again?

851
00:41:27,718 --> 00:41:29,078
Speaker 3: It's a matter of when you grew up. But I

852
00:41:29,118 --> 00:41:32,998
Speaker 3: was a kid growing up in Hazelton. The elder gentlemen,

853
00:41:33,198 --> 00:41:36,078
Speaker 3: their ambition was to either own a Caddy or a Lincoln,

854
00:41:36,238 --> 00:41:39,558
Speaker 3: that's what they wanted, or Medos of Bill ninety eight

855
00:41:39,918 --> 00:41:42,638
Speaker 3: or an Electra two twenty five. Those are those are

856
00:41:42,678 --> 00:41:47,318
Speaker 3: the SUVs of that generation. The station Wagon really wasn't

857
00:41:47,358 --> 00:41:50,358
Speaker 3: It wasn't more room, but not necessarily. It was just

858
00:41:50,398 --> 00:41:53,958
Speaker 3: a car that was a little bit longer. So I

859
00:41:54,198 --> 00:41:56,358
Speaker 3: grew up in that time. We used to ride around

860
00:41:56,358 --> 00:41:59,598
Speaker 3: my buddy kaz and Is sixty nine and seventy, Chevell's

861
00:42:00,158 --> 00:42:02,838
Speaker 3: four speed cal Induction, all that kind of good stuff.

862
00:42:03,358 --> 00:42:05,318
Speaker 3: And I used to say, Cass hit it for me

863
00:42:05,358 --> 00:42:08,358
Speaker 3: and we'd just be flying down Altar Street or whatever.

864
00:42:09,118 --> 00:42:10,758
Speaker 3: I think this thing that might be a product of

865
00:42:10,878 --> 00:42:12,278
Speaker 3: you know who you are, where you came from.

866
00:42:12,438 --> 00:42:13,478
Speaker 2: I do love cars.

867
00:42:14,158 --> 00:42:17,438
Speaker 3: There are artistic You can look at the cars that

868
00:42:17,478 --> 00:42:20,718
Speaker 3: I'm describing from a distance and know what would make

869
00:42:20,758 --> 00:42:23,478
Speaker 3: they are, what year they are, just basically by the

870
00:42:23,718 --> 00:42:26,678
Speaker 3: whether it's the front grille, the tail lights, just the

871
00:42:26,718 --> 00:42:29,998
Speaker 3: body shape, whatever can tell you. The two tone pain

872
00:42:30,118 --> 00:42:32,198
Speaker 3: can tell you that what they are, what year, they

873
00:42:32,198 --> 00:42:34,838
Speaker 3: are more readily than today. When you try to dissect

874
00:42:34,878 --> 00:42:38,318
Speaker 3: the car from a distance, My god, it's either white, gray,

875
00:42:38,638 --> 00:42:40,758
Speaker 3: or black, and you have no idea what it is

876
00:42:40,798 --> 00:42:43,918
Speaker 3: because they all look the same. And there was a

877
00:42:43,958 --> 00:42:47,798
Speaker 3: time when it was really mattered distinctively which vehicle you drove,

878
00:42:47,838 --> 00:42:50,238
Speaker 3: because you know, you kind of liked it. Driving was

879
00:42:50,278 --> 00:42:53,238
Speaker 3: more than just going from here to publics and back.

880
00:42:53,318 --> 00:42:55,478
Speaker 3: It was like an experience, was a statement, I love

881
00:42:55,558 --> 00:42:56,238
Speaker 3: this thing, you know.

882
00:42:56,678 --> 00:42:58,198
Speaker 2: So that's why you're seeing all this.

883
00:42:58,318 --> 00:43:01,518
Speaker 3: It's going to continue that, the utilitarian kind of involvement

884
00:43:01,518 --> 00:43:04,118
Speaker 3: with vehicles, which I can't stand, but that's the way

885
00:43:04,158 --> 00:43:05,198
Speaker 3: the world's working right now.

886
00:43:05,798 --> 00:43:06,078
Speaker 2: Yeah.

887
00:43:06,118 --> 00:43:08,478
Speaker 1: But you know, the US market is very different from

888
00:43:08,478 --> 00:43:11,798
Speaker 1: the rest of the world. There's basically only three markets

889
00:43:11,918 --> 00:43:14,878
Speaker 1: that are in love with SUVs, the US, of course,

890
00:43:15,198 --> 00:43:18,998
Speaker 1: Canada and Mexico. That's it. There's nobody in Europe on

891
00:43:19,038 --> 00:43:21,398
Speaker 1: those roads who are looking to drive a Ford expedition.

892
00:43:21,518 --> 00:43:25,358
Speaker 1: Those are so we're driving a market that the rest

893
00:43:25,398 --> 00:43:29,238
Speaker 1: of the world doesn't really have interest in. And Canada

894
00:43:29,278 --> 00:43:32,158
Speaker 1: and Mexico, let me tell you they're changing, and I'll

895
00:43:32,158 --> 00:43:36,638
Speaker 1: tell you why. It's the Chinese evs. They're coming to Canada.

896
00:43:36,718 --> 00:43:40,158
Speaker 1: Canada just cut a deal with the Chinese to slash

897
00:43:40,238 --> 00:43:43,438
Speaker 1: their tariffs what used to be one hundred percent to

898
00:43:43,638 --> 00:43:46,878
Speaker 1: six point one percent. Now they're capping the amount of

899
00:43:46,958 --> 00:43:49,718
Speaker 1: Chinese EV's that are going to come in. Starting out

900
00:43:49,718 --> 00:43:52,198
Speaker 1: at forty nine thousand, goes up to seventy thousand and

901
00:43:52,238 --> 00:43:56,678
Speaker 1: five years. But this is what happened in Mexico. The Chinese,

902
00:43:56,838 --> 00:44:01,358
Speaker 1: because let's face it, it's it's sponsored by the government there,

903
00:44:01,878 --> 00:44:05,758
Speaker 1: are able to produce really good electric vehicle cars for

904
00:44:05,838 --> 00:44:10,518
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand dollars and they're in Mexico. They're now

905
00:44:10,798 --> 00:44:14,158
Speaker 1: twenty five percent of the sales in Mexico. And now

906
00:44:14,198 --> 00:44:16,998
Speaker 1: you're seeing them in border cities in the US. And

907
00:44:17,078 --> 00:44:20,358
Speaker 1: the same thing is going to happen in the United States.

908
00:44:21,678 --> 00:44:24,358
Speaker 1: Since they're coming to Canada, you're going to see in

909
00:44:24,398 --> 00:44:27,998
Speaker 1: places like Michigan, upstate New York, where then you start

910
00:44:27,998 --> 00:44:29,958
Speaker 1: to see them on this side of the border and

911
00:44:30,038 --> 00:44:33,318
Speaker 1: people are going to say, I want one. They are

912
00:44:33,518 --> 00:44:37,758
Speaker 1: very good cars, very cheap, and it's only a matter

913
00:44:37,838 --> 00:44:40,758
Speaker 1: of time before they start selling more in Canada, and

914
00:44:40,798 --> 00:44:44,238
Speaker 1: you're going to see more in the US. Now ev

915
00:44:44,438 --> 00:44:47,838
Speaker 1: sales in the US last year, Joe dropped from eleven

916
00:44:47,918 --> 00:44:52,278
Speaker 1: percent to six point six percent, you know, partly because

917
00:44:52,358 --> 00:44:55,438
Speaker 1: the incentive seventy five hundred dollars incentive on the sales

918
00:44:55,478 --> 00:45:00,398
Speaker 1: of those cars went away. But it's coming and this

919
00:45:00,478 --> 00:45:03,678
Speaker 1: is a huge deal, folks. When Canada has opened up

920
00:45:03,718 --> 00:45:07,798
Speaker 1: the market to Chinese electric vehicles, they are now at

921
00:45:07,838 --> 00:45:11,238
Speaker 1: our doorstep and they're a game changer in Europe. They

922
00:45:11,238 --> 00:45:14,198
Speaker 1: were a game changer in Mexico. They will be a

923
00:45:14,238 --> 00:45:18,398
Speaker 1: game changer in Canada and eventually here. Whether you don't

924
00:45:18,518 --> 00:45:20,678
Speaker 1: like the sound or not, I.

925
00:45:20,598 --> 00:45:23,678
Speaker 3: Don't like them, the range on them, the resale value

926
00:45:24,038 --> 00:45:27,158
Speaker 3: and the repairs. I just need to know more about that.

927
00:45:27,558 --> 00:45:30,118
Speaker 3: The range, Like, of course, okay, you go on a

928
00:45:30,118 --> 00:45:32,678
Speaker 3: long trip to you then rent a car from Hurtz

929
00:45:32,718 --> 00:45:33,358
Speaker 3: to go on a long.

930
00:45:33,278 --> 00:45:36,478
Speaker 2: Trip, because you could use a fuel station because we go.

931
00:45:36,438 --> 00:45:39,638
Speaker 3: On long trips, these these forty five minute hour waits

932
00:45:39,638 --> 00:45:41,078
Speaker 3: to recharge your vehicle.

933
00:45:41,238 --> 00:45:42,078
Speaker 2: So that's what I've heard.

934
00:45:42,078 --> 00:45:44,598
Speaker 3: I don't know that, but that sounds like really annoying

935
00:45:44,638 --> 00:45:46,998
Speaker 3: to me. Resale, I mean, are you going to buy

936
00:45:47,078 --> 00:45:50,318
Speaker 3: a used electric car? I'm just curious about that. What

937
00:45:50,358 --> 00:45:52,118
Speaker 3: does that look like? You go and kick the tires,

938
00:45:52,318 --> 00:45:54,478
Speaker 3: what's the battery like, you know, and then of course

939
00:45:54,518 --> 00:45:56,798
Speaker 3: the repairs and how much are repairs when you have

940
00:45:56,838 --> 00:45:59,278
Speaker 3: to replace these batteries, and then what happened to the

941
00:45:59,278 --> 00:46:01,638
Speaker 3: batteries when the batteries are no good where they taken

942
00:46:01,718 --> 00:46:05,518
Speaker 3: at that particular time. I guess, you know, there's different

943
00:46:05,558 --> 00:46:08,518
Speaker 3: arguments that you could correlate that with the way vehicles

944
00:46:09,958 --> 00:46:13,318
Speaker 3: or powered today. I guess, however, that's it. I mean,

945
00:46:14,278 --> 00:46:17,678
Speaker 3: it's just like a big battery on your street. They

946
00:46:17,678 --> 00:46:19,838
Speaker 3: put this body on it. I get it, but again,

947
00:46:19,918 --> 00:46:23,478
Speaker 3: a very boring concept to me when you look at them.

948
00:46:23,838 --> 00:46:25,838
Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of them. I have never

949
00:46:25,918 --> 00:46:27,918
Speaker 3: driven one, so I don't really know this for a fact.

950
00:46:27,958 --> 00:46:30,118
Speaker 3: I'm just looking from a distance because I'm so much

951
00:46:30,158 --> 00:46:32,718
Speaker 3: in love with a regular V eight or a HEMI

952
00:46:33,038 --> 00:46:37,758
Speaker 3: or right now an Eco boosts twin turbo V six

953
00:46:37,958 --> 00:46:41,198
Speaker 3: four that runs like crazy. So I just it would

954
00:46:41,238 --> 00:46:43,878
Speaker 3: be a hard sell for me to really dig on

955
00:46:43,958 --> 00:46:46,398
Speaker 3: this and want to do this, but I would give

956
00:46:46,398 --> 00:46:47,758
Speaker 3: it a couple of years. I want to know how

957
00:46:47,798 --> 00:46:51,998
Speaker 3: these are empowered, you know, the way they're replenished. If

958
00:46:52,038 --> 00:46:53,598
Speaker 3: they get break down, how do I fix them?

959
00:46:53,878 --> 00:46:54,478
Speaker 2: We want to.

960
00:46:54,398 --> 00:46:57,838
Speaker 3: Buy whatever they're going to be called. So that bothers me.

961
00:46:57,918 --> 00:47:01,118
Speaker 3: I don't know enough. We don't know enough, and that

962
00:47:01,158 --> 00:47:04,478
Speaker 3: would be a concerning part of me investing that twenty

963
00:47:04,478 --> 00:47:07,198
Speaker 3: five thousand. Probably not as huge of an investment, but

964
00:47:07,238 --> 00:47:10,878
Speaker 3: again looking down the road, Eh, it's just boring to me.

965
00:47:11,038 --> 00:47:15,278
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Joe, you sound like the typical American car consumer. Really,

966
00:47:15,318 --> 00:47:17,198
Speaker 1: that's what the market is here, and it's going to

967
00:47:17,278 --> 00:47:19,878
Speaker 1: be a tough time for the evs to really get

968
00:47:19,878 --> 00:47:23,558
Speaker 1: a foothold because of you know, the history and the

969
00:47:23,598 --> 00:47:29,118
Speaker 1: lineage of the ice vehicles, internal combustion engines by the way,

970
00:47:29,238 --> 00:47:31,958
Speaker 1: kind of make sure these days get that right. So yeah,

971
00:47:32,038 --> 00:47:34,438
Speaker 1: I mean, change is going to come slowly, but eventually

972
00:47:34,438 --> 00:47:37,998
Speaker 1: it's going to come. So we'll see about that. But

973
00:47:38,038 --> 00:47:40,798
Speaker 1: it's interesting, I mean, the deal about the vehicles going

974
00:47:40,838 --> 00:47:43,878
Speaker 1: into Canada, it is a huge deal even geo politically,

975
00:47:43,958 --> 00:47:47,158
Speaker 1: where Canada now is reaching out to a place like

976
00:47:47,278 --> 00:47:50,398
Speaker 1: China to be a trade partner, the kind of the

977
00:47:50,438 --> 00:47:52,998
Speaker 1: cold shoulder to the US in a lot of ways,

978
00:47:53,838 --> 00:47:58,278
Speaker 1: from Kentucky Bourbon to electric vehicles now it's sort of

979
00:47:58,358 --> 00:48:02,958
Speaker 1: changing at least global trade anyway. So that's the car

980
00:48:03,078 --> 00:48:06,238
Speaker 1: numbers from torn not a big surprise. We are what

981
00:48:06,278 --> 00:48:08,718
Speaker 1: we are in terms of our likes with vehicles. Give

982
00:48:08,798 --> 00:48:12,598
Speaker 1: us our our big gas guzzlers and uh with with

983
00:48:12,678 --> 00:48:14,598
Speaker 1: a lot of noise and a lot of power. That's

984
00:48:14,638 --> 00:48:15,398
Speaker 1: the American way.

985
00:48:15,438 --> 00:48:16,478
Speaker 2: But I would it ever change.

986
00:48:17,158 --> 00:48:20,238
Speaker 1: Speaking of the American way, Joe, with that, I'm going

987
00:48:20,278 --> 00:48:22,358
Speaker 1: to ask you to put a caprara on this trip

988
00:48:22,398 --> 00:48:24,638
Speaker 1: around the basis here on the book of Joe. What

989
00:48:24,678 --> 00:48:25,838
Speaker 1: do you got for us this week?

990
00:48:26,118 --> 00:48:27,918
Speaker 2: Yeah? It all? I mean it was it was.

991
00:48:28,478 --> 00:48:32,478
Speaker 3: Personal growth was my my topic today, and I guess

992
00:48:32,558 --> 00:48:37,158
Speaker 3: I have to grow more. Uh consider growth regarding my

993
00:48:37,278 --> 00:48:40,598
Speaker 3: opinion on the eternal combustion engine versus a battery.

994
00:48:41,078 --> 00:48:41,478
Speaker 2: I don't.

995
00:48:41,558 --> 00:48:44,558
Speaker 3: I just it's just it's very hard for me to

996
00:48:44,958 --> 00:48:47,638
Speaker 3: process all of that. And I'm pretty open minded. That's

997
00:48:47,718 --> 00:48:49,998
Speaker 3: kind of the crazy part about it. So I went

998
00:48:49,998 --> 00:48:53,078
Speaker 3: with personal growth and maybe I need to listen, so, uh,

999
00:48:53,238 --> 00:48:56,878
Speaker 3: be not afraid of growing slowly, be afraid only of

1000
00:48:56,918 --> 00:49:00,438
Speaker 3: standing still. This is one of my own personal arguments

1001
00:49:00,478 --> 00:49:04,398
Speaker 3: within my myself. Progress is it is always just the

1002
00:49:04,438 --> 00:49:06,678
Speaker 3: next thing to come along. Does that actually make it better?

1003
00:49:07,078 --> 00:49:08,638
Speaker 3: Or is it just the next thing to come along?

1004
00:49:08,678 --> 00:49:12,038
Speaker 3: I mean Beta never hit it. VHS was always the

1005
00:49:12,358 --> 00:49:15,718
Speaker 3: winner there, right, and there's you know, the different things

1006
00:49:15,718 --> 00:49:18,758
Speaker 3: that have come down the line for years, so there's

1007
00:49:18,798 --> 00:49:21,958
Speaker 3: been winners and losers. When it comes to the word progress,

1008
00:49:22,238 --> 00:49:24,438
Speaker 3: I still don't know that we know enough about powering

1009
00:49:24,478 --> 00:49:26,518
Speaker 3: these vehicles and how heavy they are on the roads,

1010
00:49:26,558 --> 00:49:28,758
Speaker 3: and what kind of pairs are going to be necessary

1011
00:49:28,758 --> 00:49:31,038
Speaker 3: to our roads based on just the pure weight of

1012
00:49:31,078 --> 00:49:33,278
Speaker 3: these vehicles and these batteries moving forward.

1013
00:49:33,318 --> 00:49:34,518
Speaker 2: There there's so much to consider.

1014
00:49:34,798 --> 00:49:37,118
Speaker 3: However, talking to me, I can only be afraid of

1015
00:49:37,158 --> 00:49:39,158
Speaker 3: standing still, and I try not to be that guy.

1016
00:49:40,198 --> 00:49:41,598
Speaker 3: I got some things in the hopper that I'm going

1017
00:49:41,638 --> 00:49:43,758
Speaker 3: to discuss with you soon that would be an indicator

1018
00:49:44,478 --> 00:49:48,758
Speaker 3: of me not standing still. So I'm always concerned about

1019
00:49:48,758 --> 00:49:52,038
Speaker 3: that because you when you're not challenging yourself on a

1020
00:49:52,038 --> 00:49:55,478
Speaker 3: consistent basis, Yeah, then then we have a tendency just

1021
00:49:55,518 --> 00:49:59,078
Speaker 3: to become whatever. And when there's no room, when there's

1022
00:49:59,118 --> 00:50:02,478
Speaker 3: no potential growth in your personal life, for your professional

1023
00:50:02,478 --> 00:50:04,878
Speaker 3: life in the future, then you do become boring. And

1024
00:50:04,918 --> 00:50:07,318
Speaker 3: it does you do start shutting down, and and then

1025
00:50:07,318 --> 00:50:09,398
Speaker 3: you do become opinionated to the point where you do

1026
00:50:09,438 --> 00:50:12,198
Speaker 3: not want to try new things are even recognized possibly

1027
00:50:12,238 --> 00:50:15,998
Speaker 3: the benefits. So anyway, I'm talking to myself, I'm only

1028
00:50:16,038 --> 00:50:19,638
Speaker 3: afraid of standing still. And when it comes to personal growth,

1029
00:50:20,398 --> 00:50:23,398
Speaker 3: and so is are electric cars a part of personal

1030
00:50:23,438 --> 00:50:26,678
Speaker 3: growth or is that just an economic thing? And the

1031
00:50:26,718 --> 00:50:30,118
Speaker 3: thought about global warming, etcetera. And cutting down on this

1032
00:50:30,198 --> 00:50:32,838
Speaker 3: green toss effect is that really pertinent or not? I

1033
00:50:32,878 --> 00:50:34,278
Speaker 3: don't know, but that's where there's a lot of this

1034
00:50:34,438 --> 00:50:37,078
Speaker 3: is coming from. So I just need to be afraid

1035
00:50:37,078 --> 00:50:39,478
Speaker 3: of standing still. So there's hope, there might be.

1036
00:50:39,638 --> 00:50:40,198
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1037
00:50:40,798 --> 00:50:42,158
Speaker 1: I hope for change.

1038
00:50:42,198 --> 00:50:44,198
Speaker 2: There is, there is. There's always hope for change.

1039
00:50:44,358 --> 00:50:45,638
Speaker 3: I mean that's how I got to where I got

1040
00:50:45,678 --> 00:50:47,958
Speaker 3: to in the in the in the baseball world, because

1041
00:50:47,958 --> 00:50:49,358
Speaker 3: I was changing when nobody else was.

1042
00:50:49,638 --> 00:50:52,158
Speaker 1: Well said, Hey, good stuff, Joe, we'll see you next

1043
00:50:52,198 --> 00:50:53,438
Speaker 1: time on the Book of Joe.

1044
00:50:53,478 --> 00:51:01,038
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tommy.

1045
00:51:02,078 --> 00:51:05,278
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1046
00:51:05,518 --> 00:51:10,398
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1047
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