1 00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:09,506 Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production to the NFL in partnership 2 00:00:09,706 --> 00:00:17,706 Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. It's a brand new addition to 3 00:00:17,746 --> 00:00:22,026 Speaker 1: the NFL Explained podcast. Mike yam joined as always by 4 00:00:22,066 --> 00:00:25,186 Speaker 1: my good friend Michael Robinson. I thought about you when 5 00:00:25,226 --> 00:00:28,186 Speaker 1: I was getting dressed this morning. What yeah, he hear 6 00:00:28,226 --> 00:00:31,506 Speaker 1: me out. You and I were doing the NFL Total 7 00:00:31,546 --> 00:00:34,586 Speaker 1: Access podcast together and I got made fun of for 8 00:00:34,666 --> 00:00:36,666 Speaker 1: not having large muscles, so I said I would wear 9 00:00:37,026 --> 00:00:39,546 Speaker 1: an extra small shirt the next time that we worked together. 10 00:00:39,586 --> 00:00:42,586 Speaker 1: I did not go down that path, but I believe me, 11 00:00:42,586 --> 00:00:44,386 Speaker 1: when I was putting the sweater on this morning, I 12 00:00:44,426 --> 00:00:46,826 Speaker 1: was like, do I go Do I go s medium? 13 00:00:46,866 --> 00:00:48,706 Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, no, I can do it. Yeah. 14 00:00:48,906 --> 00:00:51,066 Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say, do I go do 15 00:00:51,146 --> 00:00:56,626 Speaker 1: some push ups? Or I didn't work out the smaller clothes. 16 00:00:58,906 --> 00:01:01,226 Speaker 1: I actually I actually worked out this morning, which is 17 00:01:01,266 --> 00:01:05,626 Speaker 1: part of the I felt swell swoll, So I thought 18 00:01:05,626 --> 00:01:07,466 Speaker 1: I could have, but I decided not to go down 19 00:01:07,506 --> 00:01:11,066 Speaker 1: that past. Legitimately excited for today's podcasting. By the way, 20 00:01:11,066 --> 00:01:12,666 Speaker 1: I always talk about the dms that are coming in 21 00:01:13,146 --> 00:01:17,626 Speaker 1: legit so many great questions. Mail bag episode was terrific. 22 00:01:18,146 --> 00:01:22,146 Speaker 1: We got more mail Bag episodes down the road. This 23 00:01:22,226 --> 00:01:24,946 Speaker 1: one I'm excited about because I think you are uniquely 24 00:01:25,026 --> 00:01:28,466 Speaker 1: qualified to discuss this topic. It's all about how to 25 00:01:28,586 --> 00:01:32,506 Speaker 1: draft a quarterback, why it's so hard to get it right. 26 00:01:32,866 --> 00:01:35,306 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna start with an old school cliche. Hardest 27 00:01:35,306 --> 00:01:38,106 Speaker 1: thing in sports is to hit a baseball. Are you 28 00:01:38,146 --> 00:01:41,426 Speaker 1: buying that or no? It's very tough to hit a baseball, dude, 29 00:01:41,466 --> 00:01:45,786 Speaker 1: like it is. But to me, what a quarterback has 30 00:01:45,906 --> 00:01:49,066 Speaker 1: to do to manipulate a defense, to be able to 31 00:01:49,066 --> 00:01:51,786 Speaker 1: read a defense, to be able to understand what the 32 00:01:51,866 --> 00:01:54,786 Speaker 1: offensive game plan is, to understand what the team game 33 00:01:54,826 --> 00:01:57,826 Speaker 1: plan is. Oh yeah, and you've got other three pound 34 00:01:57,906 --> 00:01:59,786 Speaker 1: grown men who run a four or five who are 35 00:01:59,826 --> 00:02:03,226 Speaker 1: trying to come rip your head off. That's tough, Yams, 36 00:02:03,066 --> 00:02:05,586 Speaker 1: That's really tough. And I had a coach one time, Mike, 37 00:02:05,626 --> 00:02:07,786 Speaker 1: and give us an example. We told us that we 38 00:02:07,826 --> 00:02:09,666 Speaker 1: passed around of football, and then we just talked about 39 00:02:09,706 --> 00:02:11,466 Speaker 1: what the football meant to us. And you start to 40 00:02:11,466 --> 00:02:15,906 Speaker 1: realize that football is everybody's hopes and dreams and everything 41 00:02:16,186 --> 00:02:19,266 Speaker 1: in The quarterback touches that damn thing every single play 42 00:02:19,306 --> 00:02:22,146 Speaker 1: that lets you know how important he is. To the team. Yeah, 43 00:02:22,546 --> 00:02:25,146 Speaker 1: this is not for this episode, but that's why to 44 00:02:25,306 --> 00:02:27,386 Speaker 1: win m v P is so hard if you're not 45 00:02:27,546 --> 00:02:30,066 Speaker 1: a quarterback. I actually think there's a case for some 46 00:02:30,106 --> 00:02:31,986 Speaker 1: guys that are not quarterbacks this year. You and I 47 00:02:31,986 --> 00:02:35,706 Speaker 1: have talked about that office that's for another episode. But 48 00:02:35,786 --> 00:02:40,506 Speaker 1: the argument, obviously playing quarterback being ridiculously hard to do 49 00:02:40,866 --> 00:02:43,706 Speaker 1: is really significant and in a lot of ways really valid. 50 00:02:43,946 --> 00:02:47,186 Speaker 1: There's so much information. You got analytics, you've got game film. 51 00:02:47,666 --> 00:02:51,226 Speaker 1: The hardest thing, though, to do is not maybe playing quarterback, 52 00:02:51,266 --> 00:02:55,226 Speaker 1: it's actually finding a quarterback and then drafting that person. 53 00:02:55,666 --> 00:02:58,866 Speaker 1: We just finished up we twelve of the NFL season. 54 00:02:59,466 --> 00:03:02,786 Speaker 1: There's so much hype and hooplat hype might be the 55 00:03:02,786 --> 00:03:05,426 Speaker 1: word hooplat is. I don't even know if hooplaws really 56 00:03:05,426 --> 00:03:09,826 Speaker 1: technic lee a word it is today about what's happening 57 00:03:09,826 --> 00:03:13,826 Speaker 1: in New York, right, I mean, Zach Wilson gets drafted 58 00:03:14,306 --> 00:03:18,466 Speaker 1: second overall and instead it's Mike White who goes in. 59 00:03:18,826 --> 00:03:21,186 Speaker 1: Wilson gets benched. I was listening to the NFL Network 60 00:03:21,186 --> 00:03:24,906 Speaker 1: insider Mike Arefolo talk about this on one of our shows, 61 00:03:24,906 --> 00:03:27,586 Speaker 1: and he said, no, man like this idea that Zach 62 00:03:27,586 --> 00:03:29,986 Speaker 1: Wilson might not be the quarterback anymore. The Jesse's like, 63 00:03:30,226 --> 00:03:34,146 Speaker 1: draft position matters, and that's why his time New York 64 00:03:34,226 --> 00:03:37,506 Speaker 1: might not be done at this point. But throwing the 65 00:03:37,546 --> 00:03:41,306 Speaker 1: football the idea of like boosting your stock, I mean, 66 00:03:41,386 --> 00:03:44,186 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, I think back man, he's zapp b y you. 67 00:03:44,706 --> 00:03:46,626 Speaker 1: There was this past you know what I'm talking about. 68 00:03:46,906 --> 00:03:50,066 Speaker 1: There's this video that went viral before the draft. He's 69 00:03:50,186 --> 00:03:52,906 Speaker 1: rolling out and he's throwing him. Daniel Jeremiah had a 70 00:03:52,986 --> 00:03:55,386 Speaker 1: tweet and he's like, yo, Sam Donald did the same 71 00:03:55,386 --> 00:03:58,426 Speaker 1: thing in an actual NFL game. How much, though, do 72 00:03:58,506 --> 00:04:02,946 Speaker 1: you think moments like that impacted where Zack was taken 73 00:04:02,946 --> 00:04:05,546 Speaker 1: in the draft? Well, I think Zach Wilson, in his 74 00:04:05,866 --> 00:04:09,106 Speaker 1: agent and his pre draft team did a marvelous job 75 00:04:09,786 --> 00:04:13,626 Speaker 1: of a marketing Zach Wilson, of controlling his pro day 76 00:04:13,706 --> 00:04:16,946 Speaker 1: and making sure that you are situated the things that 77 00:04:16,986 --> 00:04:19,906 Speaker 1: maybe what's his special power, which is the arm angles 78 00:04:19,906 --> 00:04:22,626 Speaker 1: in the arm talent. But I remember that viral video 79 00:04:22,666 --> 00:04:24,826 Speaker 1: and I remember saying, yeah, I mean that's a really 80 00:04:24,866 --> 00:04:26,906 Speaker 1: good pass. He's kind of rolling to the left and 81 00:04:26,946 --> 00:04:28,866 Speaker 1: he kind of launched itn't it And he went all 82 00:04:28,866 --> 00:04:30,626 Speaker 1: the way back to the right. That's a that's a 83 00:04:30,626 --> 00:04:34,226 Speaker 1: big boy throw. But uh, can he read single safety, 84 00:04:34,306 --> 00:04:37,826 Speaker 1: middlefield safety open or not? Can he just hit three 85 00:04:37,826 --> 00:04:41,186 Speaker 1: steps and just hit the regular pass. That's what I 86 00:04:41,266 --> 00:04:43,546 Speaker 1: was interested in seeing. And at the end of the day, 87 00:04:43,626 --> 00:04:46,066 Speaker 1: when when you see these pro days and you see, 88 00:04:46,906 --> 00:04:50,386 Speaker 1: you know, especially today's quarterback and how today's Pro days 89 00:04:50,426 --> 00:04:53,506 Speaker 1: are manipulated by passing gurus and all of those things, 90 00:04:53,986 --> 00:04:57,386 Speaker 1: they're almost showing the offensive coaches exactly what they want 91 00:04:57,386 --> 00:05:01,546 Speaker 1: to see as opposed to showing maybe some of the 92 00:05:01,706 --> 00:05:04,866 Speaker 1: negative aspects of the quarterback that maybe we saw on 93 00:05:05,026 --> 00:05:08,306 Speaker 1: tape that maybe now that quarterback is better at I 94 00:05:08,346 --> 00:05:12,866 Speaker 1: also think we gravitate towards the big armed guys, like 95 00:05:12,946 --> 00:05:15,186 Speaker 1: I think back to Thanksgiving because you can see they 96 00:05:15,226 --> 00:05:18,866 Speaker 1: can see it exactly. Josh Allen makes a throw towards 97 00:05:18,906 --> 00:05:21,546 Speaker 1: the end of that game and David carrs working Thanksgiving 98 00:05:21,546 --> 00:05:24,386 Speaker 1: with David Carr, and David's like, watch this throw. It 99 00:05:24,666 --> 00:05:28,826 Speaker 1: never leaves the screen. And until he said that, I 100 00:05:28,906 --> 00:05:31,346 Speaker 1: was like, oh damn, he's right, Like, you don't see 101 00:05:31,466 --> 00:05:33,946 Speaker 1: throws like that. I saw this zip pass that's there. 102 00:05:34,346 --> 00:05:36,626 Speaker 1: But it's really fascinating and you've highlighted a lot of 103 00:05:36,626 --> 00:05:39,586 Speaker 1: these throws. It's not always about the the you know, 104 00:05:39,586 --> 00:05:42,426 Speaker 1: the hundred mile an hour fastball, getting back to baseball. 105 00:05:42,746 --> 00:05:45,466 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's that touch pass, that intermediate past. Like we've 106 00:05:45,546 --> 00:05:48,546 Speaker 1: highlighted some of those throws, and not every quarterback can 107 00:05:48,546 --> 00:05:51,066 Speaker 1: make that throw. And I think to your point, that's 108 00:05:51,106 --> 00:05:53,906 Speaker 1: really important. It is very important. And you know, yeams, 109 00:05:53,906 --> 00:05:55,466 Speaker 1: you know, I played a lot of different positions in 110 00:05:55,466 --> 00:05:57,506 Speaker 1: this game. You know, I blocked at a high level, 111 00:05:57,546 --> 00:05:59,706 Speaker 1: tackled at a high level on special teams. I've caught 112 00:05:59,746 --> 00:06:01,866 Speaker 1: the ball at a high level in college. All of 113 00:06:01,866 --> 00:06:05,546 Speaker 1: those things and all of those different positions that I've played, 114 00:06:05,546 --> 00:06:08,626 Speaker 1: ex specially the receiver side of things. You notice that 115 00:06:08,666 --> 00:06:11,026 Speaker 1: there's two parts to a catch. There's the throw and 116 00:06:11,066 --> 00:06:13,186 Speaker 1: there's the quarterback and all of those things that there's 117 00:06:13,306 --> 00:06:17,386 Speaker 1: also the catch and understanding how the ball is, when 118 00:06:17,426 --> 00:06:19,586 Speaker 1: the when the receiver gets it and right. And a 119 00:06:19,586 --> 00:06:22,426 Speaker 1: lot of these quarterbacks because when we're young, we're taught, oh, 120 00:06:22,466 --> 00:06:24,346 Speaker 1: we want to have these big strong arms, so we 121 00:06:24,386 --> 00:06:26,066 Speaker 1: want to put as much heat on it as we 122 00:06:26,106 --> 00:06:29,106 Speaker 1: want because again, like you said, that jumps off the tape. 123 00:06:29,146 --> 00:06:31,146 Speaker 1: That gets us the style points that gets us the 124 00:06:31,226 --> 00:06:33,146 Speaker 1: cool points when at the end of the day, if 125 00:06:33,146 --> 00:06:35,266 Speaker 1: that nose is down and the ball is coming too 126 00:06:35,306 --> 00:06:38,306 Speaker 1: fast six times out of tend, that receiver is probably 127 00:06:38,306 --> 00:06:40,946 Speaker 1: gonna drop it. And so you had to figure out, 128 00:06:41,066 --> 00:06:42,946 Speaker 1: I know when I played quarterback, you started had to 129 00:06:42,946 --> 00:06:44,906 Speaker 1: figure out, how can I make that nose come up? 130 00:06:45,066 --> 00:06:46,586 Speaker 1: How can I make the ball a little bit more 131 00:06:46,666 --> 00:06:49,946 Speaker 1: catchable for the wilde receiver? And then then my numbers 132 00:06:49,946 --> 00:06:52,186 Speaker 1: will go up. I think those are some of the 133 00:06:52,186 --> 00:06:55,466 Speaker 1: things that in this generation of quarterback and that we're 134 00:06:55,506 --> 00:06:58,506 Speaker 1: starting to see young quarterbacks start to acentuate a little bit. 135 00:06:58,546 --> 00:07:00,106 Speaker 1: And you can see it in two A to a 136 00:07:00,146 --> 00:07:02,506 Speaker 1: tongue of our lore. I mean, look at his timing 137 00:07:02,506 --> 00:07:06,826 Speaker 1: and anticipation. That is that kid's superpower, and it's his 138 00:07:06,986 --> 00:07:09,946 Speaker 1: timing and anticipation is at a level that not a 139 00:07:09,946 --> 00:07:12,186 Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks in this league have. How hard is it? 140 00:07:12,186 --> 00:07:14,186 Speaker 1: Because this is just part of the evaluation process that 141 00:07:14,266 --> 00:07:16,786 Speaker 1: I want to get you on, But there's no way 142 00:07:16,826 --> 00:07:19,706 Speaker 1: for you to tell. Every Sunday we watch games and 143 00:07:19,746 --> 00:07:22,706 Speaker 1: there's at least one quarterback who makes a throw Guys 144 00:07:22,786 --> 00:07:25,626 Speaker 1: like I don't know, fifteen feet from him and he's 145 00:07:25,626 --> 00:07:28,506 Speaker 1: throwing it like he's forty feet from him and I 146 00:07:28,546 --> 00:07:31,106 Speaker 1: can't get over. I'm like, man, you don't. How can 147 00:07:31,106 --> 00:07:33,826 Speaker 1: you not evaluate the distance like a golfer who goes 148 00:07:33,826 --> 00:07:35,586 Speaker 1: out in the golf course, like I'm not taking my 149 00:07:35,666 --> 00:07:37,386 Speaker 1: driver out when I get to the green right, Like 150 00:07:37,746 --> 00:07:41,306 Speaker 1: the feel of that stuff like that's hard to measure. Oh, 151 00:07:41,626 --> 00:07:43,586 Speaker 1: it's very much hard to measure. That's why you have 152 00:07:43,626 --> 00:07:46,746 Speaker 1: to look at so much tape on these quarterbacks, man, 153 00:07:46,866 --> 00:07:49,186 Speaker 1: I mean, and look at the types of throws that 154 00:07:49,266 --> 00:07:51,866 Speaker 1: these guys have had and how they will their teams 155 00:07:51,906 --> 00:07:54,146 Speaker 1: two wins. Because at the end of the day, all 156 00:07:54,186 --> 00:07:56,466 Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks before they got to the National Football 157 00:07:56,546 --> 00:07:58,506 Speaker 1: League at the top, you know, topping their game and 158 00:07:58,786 --> 00:08:02,626 Speaker 1: they all figure out ways to win games exclusively off 159 00:08:02,626 --> 00:08:04,466 Speaker 1: of the off of their talents and offer their arms. 160 00:08:04,666 --> 00:08:06,026 Speaker 1: All right, So I want to take everyone and back 161 00:08:06,906 --> 00:08:11,146 Speaker 1: draft five quarterbacks taken in the first round, including Wilson. 162 00:08:11,226 --> 00:08:14,706 Speaker 1: Third quarterback taken was Trey Lance out of North Dakota State. 163 00:08:14,746 --> 00:08:17,346 Speaker 1: I was actually covering the Niners for NFL Network and 164 00:08:17,346 --> 00:08:20,306 Speaker 1: there was all this conversation around if they were going 165 00:08:20,346 --> 00:08:22,546 Speaker 1: to go and take Tray and and maybe Mac Jones 166 00:08:22,546 --> 00:08:25,386 Speaker 1: was in the mix. Justin Fields was also there, but 167 00:08:25,746 --> 00:08:29,386 Speaker 1: third quarterback was Trey Lance. He basically played one season 168 00:08:29,906 --> 00:08:32,106 Speaker 1: and coming out of high school he had no Power 169 00:08:32,186 --> 00:08:35,266 Speaker 1: Five college offers, So the hype meter just continued to 170 00:08:35,306 --> 00:08:37,906 Speaker 1: build for this guy. Didn't turn over the ball a ton. 171 00:08:38,226 --> 00:08:40,426 Speaker 1: What he was able to do in the play action 172 00:08:40,466 --> 00:08:43,506 Speaker 1: past that was something that was really attractive to Kyle 173 00:08:43,546 --> 00:08:46,666 Speaker 1: Shanahan remember having conversations with him about that. But does 174 00:08:46,666 --> 00:08:49,546 Speaker 1: the media actually play a role in which players are 175 00:08:49,626 --> 00:08:53,946 Speaker 1: gaining momentum? Like, take me through this evaluation process, to 176 00:08:54,026 --> 00:08:56,906 Speaker 1: be honest with you, Like, I didn't think the Niners 177 00:08:56,946 --> 00:08:58,906 Speaker 1: I was there. I didn't think they were going to 178 00:08:58,986 --> 00:09:03,546 Speaker 1: take Trey Lance. Like there was a real mac Jones conversation. 179 00:09:03,586 --> 00:09:06,666 Speaker 1: There was real Justin Fields conversation, and and yet here 180 00:09:06,706 --> 00:09:08,986 Speaker 1: it was the smart Dakota State kid that's to do 181 00:09:09,146 --> 00:09:12,746 Speaker 1: that they went with. It's crazy MS, how the National 182 00:09:12,786 --> 00:09:15,906 Speaker 1: Football League has changed in such a relatively short time. 183 00:09:16,186 --> 00:09:18,506 Speaker 1: I came out in the two thousand six draft. You're 184 00:09:18,546 --> 00:09:22,506 Speaker 1: talking about the quarterbacks in the draft. The big knock 185 00:09:22,546 --> 00:09:24,106 Speaker 1: on me. I was Big Ten Player of the year. 186 00:09:24,426 --> 00:09:26,946 Speaker 1: Hasman final was one of the top college players in 187 00:09:26,986 --> 00:09:30,306 Speaker 1: the country playing quarterback, and the knock on me at 188 00:09:30,346 --> 00:09:33,586 Speaker 1: the quarterback position was I didn't have enough game reps. 189 00:09:34,666 --> 00:09:36,986 Speaker 1: That's what they told me. They said, we really don't 190 00:09:37,026 --> 00:09:39,106 Speaker 1: feel comfortable giving you an opportunity. I heard this from 191 00:09:39,146 --> 00:09:42,906 Speaker 1: multiple teams because they said, you know, the Matt Lioners, 192 00:09:42,986 --> 00:09:45,706 Speaker 1: Da Vinci Young's of this draft, they just have five 193 00:09:45,746 --> 00:09:49,266 Speaker 1: thousand more game reps than you. Fast forward to one 194 00:09:49,306 --> 00:09:51,906 Speaker 1: and you're talking about Tree Lance. You know, high school year, 195 00:09:51,986 --> 00:09:55,266 Speaker 1: high school, only one year of college football, didn't play 196 00:09:55,306 --> 00:09:57,186 Speaker 1: in the Power of Five. But yet he gets drafted 197 00:09:57,186 --> 00:10:00,666 Speaker 1: third overall. I mean, that's what a way that this 198 00:10:00,706 --> 00:10:02,826 Speaker 1: game has changed. But when you talk about the media 199 00:10:03,306 --> 00:10:06,306 Speaker 1: influencing decision makers, look, I don't think it's wrecked in 200 00:10:06,346 --> 00:10:10,506 Speaker 1: the regard of you know, um, a general manager calling 201 00:10:10,586 --> 00:10:13,866 Speaker 1: Michael Robinson or Daniel Jeremiah and saying, hey, uh, what 202 00:10:13,946 --> 00:10:15,986 Speaker 1: do you think about this guy, or you know, just 203 00:10:16,026 --> 00:10:18,786 Speaker 1: looking at us on television and making their professional opinion 204 00:10:18,786 --> 00:10:21,426 Speaker 1: based off of that. But I will say this, all 205 00:10:21,506 --> 00:10:24,866 Speaker 1: decision makers have family and friends jams. All of them do, 206 00:10:24,946 --> 00:10:27,586 Speaker 1: whether it's they have a young people in their family, wives, 207 00:10:27,666 --> 00:10:30,826 Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. And those people watch 208 00:10:30,906 --> 00:10:34,386 Speaker 1: the media. So I will say decision makers can be 209 00:10:34,426 --> 00:10:38,026 Speaker 1: indirectly influenced by the media, just based off of the 210 00:10:38,026 --> 00:10:40,306 Speaker 1: conversations they have, by the people closer to them in 211 00:10:40,346 --> 00:10:42,506 Speaker 1: their circles, right, their family members and things like that, 212 00:10:42,586 --> 00:10:46,426 Speaker 1: watching people on NFL network like myself giving their opinions, 213 00:10:46,426 --> 00:10:48,666 Speaker 1: and that's how I can see that a decision maker 214 00:10:49,026 --> 00:10:52,146 Speaker 1: gets kind of I don't know, um kind of gets 215 00:10:52,186 --> 00:10:55,986 Speaker 1: influenced in the peripheral of the evaluation process. But I 216 00:10:56,026 --> 00:10:58,306 Speaker 1: will say that the good people in media, yams, the 217 00:10:58,466 --> 00:11:00,986 Speaker 1: great people in media talk to real decision makers in 218 00:11:01,026 --> 00:11:04,706 Speaker 1: the National Football League, and oftentimes if a guy's name 219 00:11:04,826 --> 00:11:07,466 Speaker 1: is rising up, you know, rising up the ranks and 220 00:11:07,506 --> 00:11:10,746 Speaker 1: gaining a lot of momentum, it's not by mistake. Oftentimes 221 00:11:10,786 --> 00:11:13,466 Speaker 1: there's a decision makers somewhere in the National Football League 222 00:11:13,746 --> 00:11:16,626 Speaker 1: that's telling that media person, oh, yeah, this is the 223 00:11:16,626 --> 00:11:18,466 Speaker 1: guy that we want to put our hands on, and 224 00:11:18,466 --> 00:11:21,426 Speaker 1: that's why the name is rising. You know, I respect 225 00:11:21,426 --> 00:11:23,186 Speaker 1: you a tons So if you're talking and I'm on 226 00:11:23,266 --> 00:11:27,826 Speaker 1: my phone, I'm not like texting Twitter, right, So I 227 00:11:28,306 --> 00:11:30,466 Speaker 1: made reference to the fact that I was at that 228 00:11:30,546 --> 00:11:33,866 Speaker 1: draft and you said something about your starts in college 229 00:11:34,266 --> 00:11:36,546 Speaker 1: and immediately I thought about a stat that I was 230 00:11:36,626 --> 00:11:39,506 Speaker 1: using in a lot of my reports. I love technology. 231 00:11:39,546 --> 00:11:41,906 Speaker 1: I was able to find it. So check this out 232 00:11:41,906 --> 00:11:47,626 Speaker 1: about Trey Lads seventeen college starts, three hundred and eighteen attempts. Like, 233 00:11:47,946 --> 00:11:50,426 Speaker 1: think about that. Seventeen college starts is one thing like 234 00:11:50,466 --> 00:11:53,666 Speaker 1: that doesn't really register. I know it's not a lot, 235 00:11:53,866 --> 00:11:57,586 Speaker 1: but three eighteen attempts that's crazy. Up until that point, 236 00:11:58,266 --> 00:12:02,666 Speaker 1: the last ten Super Bowl winning quarterbacks thirty five career 237 00:12:02,786 --> 00:12:05,386 Speaker 1: starts and over twelve hundred attempts. That's what they did 238 00:12:05,386 --> 00:12:11,826 Speaker 1: in Edge. So think about the amount of experience that translates, 239 00:12:11,946 --> 00:12:14,226 Speaker 1: and that this kind of feeds into the draft conversation 240 00:12:14,226 --> 00:12:17,626 Speaker 1: that we're having right now. Some gms might prioritize, Hey, 241 00:12:17,626 --> 00:12:20,026 Speaker 1: give me the guy that's thirty five career starts in 242 00:12:20,106 --> 00:12:23,946 Speaker 1: twelve attempts, and John Lynch and Shanahan said, no, no, no, 243 00:12:24,026 --> 00:12:27,266 Speaker 1: I'm good the guy with seventeen college starts and three 244 00:12:27,666 --> 00:12:30,866 Speaker 1: and eighteen attempts. I see something in him that I 245 00:12:30,866 --> 00:12:33,226 Speaker 1: think I can work with. I'm gonna roll with this dude. Well, 246 00:12:33,266 --> 00:12:35,986 Speaker 1: And I also think John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan are 247 00:12:36,066 --> 00:12:39,346 Speaker 1: just looking at their roster and saying, hey, all right, 248 00:12:39,906 --> 00:12:42,986 Speaker 1: is this roster good enough to absorb a quarterback that 249 00:12:43,066 --> 00:12:45,306 Speaker 1: doesn't have that much experience, because we're gonna go to 250 00:12:45,386 --> 00:12:48,466 Speaker 1: some growing paintre that the difference between those thirty five 251 00:12:48,546 --> 00:12:51,426 Speaker 1: starts for other Super Bowl winning quarterbacks in the seventeen 252 00:12:51,506 --> 00:12:53,946 Speaker 1: for tree Lance, I mean, you can't just get the 253 00:12:54,106 --> 00:12:55,866 Speaker 1: You just can't make that stuff up. I mean, that's 254 00:12:55,946 --> 00:12:58,786 Speaker 1: real experience that he does not have, but you make 255 00:12:58,866 --> 00:13:01,586 Speaker 1: it up in the roster that you surround him with. Now, 256 00:13:01,946 --> 00:13:05,306 Speaker 1: the question is still out on whether Tree Lance has 257 00:13:05,426 --> 00:13:07,946 Speaker 1: enough of ability to elevate this offense. Tom will tell 258 00:13:14,986 --> 00:13:17,546 Speaker 1: all right, welcome back to the NFL Explained Podcasts. Mike 259 00:13:17,626 --> 00:13:20,786 Speaker 1: Yam and Rob with you. Okay, so it's really easy 260 00:13:20,826 --> 00:13:23,866 Speaker 1: to Monday morning quarterback drafts, like we can all do 261 00:13:23,946 --> 00:13:27,306 Speaker 1: it in the moment. Though generally speaking, the guys that 262 00:13:27,386 --> 00:13:29,506 Speaker 1: we think really highly of, we want our teams to 263 00:13:29,506 --> 00:13:31,706 Speaker 1: go and get those kinds. So you kind of gave 264 00:13:31,706 --> 00:13:34,066 Speaker 1: me a little bit of a glimpse of the evaluation process. 265 00:13:34,386 --> 00:13:35,946 Speaker 1: I want you to take listen to some of these 266 00:13:35,986 --> 00:13:38,986 Speaker 1: notable misses by GMS man. I feel bad putting these 267 00:13:39,026 --> 00:13:44,026 Speaker 1: dudes on blast, but it isn't Baker Mayfield, Sam Donald 268 00:13:44,066 --> 00:13:50,906 Speaker 1: Day go before Josh Allen criminal criminal. And I know 269 00:13:50,986 --> 00:13:53,306 Speaker 1: there's a decision maker in the National Football League that 270 00:13:53,346 --> 00:13:56,506 Speaker 1: listens to this show because we've had some conversations about it. 271 00:13:56,546 --> 00:13:58,706 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put his name out there, but this 272 00:13:58,826 --> 00:14:01,266 Speaker 1: dude was all on Baker Mayfield when he was coming on. 273 00:14:01,306 --> 00:14:05,466 Speaker 1: I remember telling this dude, bro, you are nuts. Something's 274 00:14:05,506 --> 00:14:09,546 Speaker 1: wrong on with you, and I was right. But I'm 275 00:14:09,586 --> 00:14:11,506 Speaker 1: just saying, so those are a couple of misses. How 276 00:14:11,506 --> 00:14:14,706 Speaker 1: about this though, Josh Rosen going twenty two spots ahead 277 00:14:14,746 --> 00:14:18,626 Speaker 1: of criminal Lamar Jackson. That's not good. Okay, defend that 278 00:14:18,666 --> 00:14:21,146 Speaker 1: one though, or maybe like it's once again easy to 279 00:14:21,186 --> 00:14:24,506 Speaker 1: Monday Morning quarterback this thing. But there were concerns about Lamar. 280 00:14:25,186 --> 00:14:26,666 Speaker 1: I mean people were talking about him not even being 281 00:14:26,746 --> 00:14:29,626 Speaker 1: a quarterback in the NFL. Yeah, but the concerns won't 282 00:14:29,666 --> 00:14:32,306 Speaker 1: because of Lamar and his ability to concerns were because 283 00:14:32,306 --> 00:14:35,146 Speaker 1: the National Football League and their coaches were archaic and 284 00:14:35,186 --> 00:14:37,986 Speaker 1: didn't believe that a guy with this type of ability 285 00:14:38,106 --> 00:14:41,026 Speaker 1: can lead an office successfully for the long haul. And 286 00:14:41,106 --> 00:14:44,706 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson has proven all of that stuff wrong. I mean, 287 00:14:44,706 --> 00:14:46,706 Speaker 1: it just is, and you look at Josh Rosen. Yes, 288 00:14:46,866 --> 00:14:50,426 Speaker 1: he reminded me sometimes in his release of Aaron Rodgers 289 00:14:50,506 --> 00:14:52,506 Speaker 1: at times. But you just look at the way the 290 00:14:52,586 --> 00:14:55,186 Speaker 1: kid came up, and you wondered his passion for the game, 291 00:14:55,226 --> 00:14:57,546 Speaker 1: and it turned out, I don't know if Josh Rosen 292 00:14:57,706 --> 00:14:59,826 Speaker 1: loves the game like that? All right. Well, the year 293 00:14:59,866 --> 00:15:03,266 Speaker 1: before that, the Bears actually traded up to take Mitch 294 00:15:03,306 --> 00:15:09,586 Speaker 1: Drobiskie eight spots ahead of another m v P. Patrick Mahomes. 295 00:15:11,746 --> 00:15:14,826 Speaker 1: We're just gonna move on from now. John Let's tricked 296 00:15:14,906 --> 00:15:17,466 Speaker 1: him all that year. I remember saying, dude, you gave 297 00:15:17,546 --> 00:15:19,306 Speaker 1: up what to go up one spot? Bro? He would 298 00:15:19,306 --> 00:15:26,226 Speaker 1: have been there just chill. But Blake Bortles, Johnny Football, 299 00:15:26,306 --> 00:15:30,626 Speaker 1: Johnny Manzel one over guys like Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo. 300 00:15:30,946 --> 00:15:32,946 Speaker 1: That's when the pro days started to become a little 301 00:15:32,946 --> 00:15:35,546 Speaker 1: bit more theatrical. Remember he had the music, he had 302 00:15:35,546 --> 00:15:38,266 Speaker 1: the Army fatigue stuff. He about to show the pads on. 303 00:15:38,626 --> 00:15:40,146 Speaker 1: That's when he started to say, you know what, I'm 304 00:15:40,146 --> 00:15:43,466 Speaker 1: gonna create this environment to get myself to me. That's 305 00:15:43,466 --> 00:15:48,346 Speaker 1: when that stuff started happening. Blaine Gabbett, Jake Locker, when 306 00:15:48,346 --> 00:15:52,346 Speaker 1: ahead of Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, and Tyrod Taylor. I 307 00:15:52,346 --> 00:15:55,866 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, Locker wasn't like, I'm not gonna hate 308 00:15:55,906 --> 00:15:58,186 Speaker 1: on that. No, I can't hate on that, right, I can't. 309 00:15:58,226 --> 00:16:00,426 Speaker 1: I mean Dalton's longevity and what he's been able to do. 310 00:16:00,506 --> 00:16:03,626 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool, like that. Fine, he can be 311 00:16:03,746 --> 00:16:06,866 Speaker 1: in that mix, but Locker or I won't hate on 312 00:16:06,906 --> 00:16:10,386 Speaker 1: that one. The point is, like we really could go 313 00:16:10,466 --> 00:16:11,946 Speaker 1: through and by the way, that's just the last couple 314 00:16:11,986 --> 00:16:13,906 Speaker 1: of years. We can keep going further back and talk 315 00:16:13,946 --> 00:16:17,026 Speaker 1: about guys and the misses. But there's certain different traits 316 00:16:17,026 --> 00:16:20,346 Speaker 1: that you can throw out there, right, accuracy, speed, physically 317 00:16:20,386 --> 00:16:22,666 Speaker 1: talented in terms of the throws that they can make. 318 00:16:22,866 --> 00:16:25,586 Speaker 1: Insert any sort of draft is m You know my 319 00:16:25,626 --> 00:16:28,866 Speaker 1: favorite one is when they talk about guys having twitch's 320 00:16:29,466 --> 00:16:34,506 Speaker 1: out there? Is it? Why is it for some accuracy 321 00:16:34,826 --> 00:16:37,746 Speaker 1: versus arm strength? That's in favor of one dude, But 322 00:16:37,786 --> 00:16:40,386 Speaker 1: when you flip it, it might not be it like 323 00:16:40,426 --> 00:16:43,746 Speaker 1: works against the guy, Like why do you like the 324 00:16:43,826 --> 00:16:48,186 Speaker 1: consistency at which you evaluate guys? Like it could be 325 00:16:48,626 --> 00:16:51,306 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks one's really accurately, other's got a big arm. 326 00:16:51,546 --> 00:16:53,666 Speaker 1: One gm really likes the accurate guy, but then the 327 00:16:53,706 --> 00:16:55,346 Speaker 1: next year he is like, no, you know what, actually 328 00:16:55,346 --> 00:16:57,386 Speaker 1: the guy with the strong arm, he's the guy that 329 00:16:57,426 --> 00:16:59,906 Speaker 1: I want to go like. It feels like sometimes the 330 00:17:00,026 --> 00:17:03,906 Speaker 1: value traits change from person to person, year to year. 331 00:17:04,426 --> 00:17:06,866 Speaker 1: To your point, I think you're you're right about that, 332 00:17:06,986 --> 00:17:11,906 Speaker 1: the value trades do change. I think individual teams situations, 333 00:17:12,026 --> 00:17:15,306 Speaker 1: uh determine. You know, you know how you want and 334 00:17:15,346 --> 00:17:17,706 Speaker 1: who you want to draft at that position. I mean, 335 00:17:17,746 --> 00:17:21,226 Speaker 1: you think some teams believe in just building a dominant 336 00:17:21,306 --> 00:17:24,226 Speaker 1: roster around the quarterback position, making sure that you know, 337 00:17:24,306 --> 00:17:26,946 Speaker 1: like my Seahawks did, making sure that quarterbacks on that 338 00:17:27,026 --> 00:17:30,306 Speaker 1: rookie deal so that from a business standpoint, the business 339 00:17:30,386 --> 00:17:32,866 Speaker 1: of the football, you can pay those guys around him. 340 00:17:32,906 --> 00:17:36,146 Speaker 1: So that roster is dominant. So when the quarterback's ability 341 00:17:36,146 --> 00:17:39,826 Speaker 1: and his experience does meet all that preparation in the 342 00:17:39,906 --> 00:17:42,746 Speaker 1: roster building, you have a championship team. Do you have 343 00:17:42,826 --> 00:17:45,666 Speaker 1: other general managers who come across that guy. You get 344 00:17:45,666 --> 00:17:48,146 Speaker 1: a Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes in the draft, and 345 00:17:48,146 --> 00:17:50,626 Speaker 1: it's just like, you know what, these guys have so 346 00:17:50,706 --> 00:17:53,906 Speaker 1: much ability that they can literally be the cologne of 347 00:17:53,946 --> 00:17:57,426 Speaker 1: the deodare from for any bad decision that I make 348 00:17:58,106 --> 00:18:01,066 Speaker 1: being a general manager, and so you give them all 349 00:18:01,066 --> 00:18:02,666 Speaker 1: the money they want, and you say, you know what 350 00:18:02,706 --> 00:18:04,746 Speaker 1: will win because we have one of those guys. There's 351 00:18:04,746 --> 00:18:06,386 Speaker 1: not a lot of people that can walk around and 352 00:18:06,426 --> 00:18:08,826 Speaker 1: do that, and a lot of general managers get it wrong. 353 00:18:08,866 --> 00:18:11,346 Speaker 1: I mean, and I know this may not be the 354 00:18:11,426 --> 00:18:13,706 Speaker 1: favorite opinion amongst some of our fans, but I think 355 00:18:13,746 --> 00:18:16,186 Speaker 1: there's no cardinals are in that situation. I think they 356 00:18:16,266 --> 00:18:18,706 Speaker 1: mismanaged Colin Murray. I think they've given that kid a 357 00:18:18,706 --> 00:18:21,346 Speaker 1: little bit too much power in that organization. And now 358 00:18:21,386 --> 00:18:24,586 Speaker 1: they've paid him invalidated his work ethic and all of 359 00:18:24,666 --> 00:18:27,586 Speaker 1: the bad behavior and all of those things, and they 360 00:18:27,626 --> 00:18:30,106 Speaker 1: they paid him invalidated him being the leader of that team. 361 00:18:30,146 --> 00:18:32,706 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it just depends on the individual 362 00:18:32,746 --> 00:18:37,026 Speaker 1: team situations and the individual general managers situations. By the way, 363 00:18:37,026 --> 00:18:39,506 Speaker 1: because we were talking a little bit about the amount 364 00:18:39,586 --> 00:18:42,946 Speaker 1: of starts that guys have, getting back to Trabinsky and Mahomes, 365 00:18:43,466 --> 00:18:46,946 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes thirty two college starts. Drabinsky had one year 366 00:18:47,026 --> 00:18:49,626 Speaker 1: of starts, so even a little bit more experience, which 367 00:18:49,786 --> 00:18:52,746 Speaker 1: makes it you're probably a little more salty about it. 368 00:18:52,866 --> 00:18:54,546 Speaker 1: And I'm a little bit more salty about it. You 369 00:18:54,586 --> 00:18:57,386 Speaker 1: know what quarterbacks are making? Are you kidding me? And 370 00:18:57,386 --> 00:19:00,466 Speaker 1: that goes to me. I think that also muddies the 371 00:19:00,506 --> 00:19:03,946 Speaker 1: evaluation of my homes. Making half a billy. Billy would 372 00:19:03,946 --> 00:19:06,786 Speaker 1: have be y'all, hear us, be Lee. I'm talking about 373 00:19:06,826 --> 00:19:10,306 Speaker 1: a player, not an owner player making half a billy. 374 00:19:10,626 --> 00:19:12,986 Speaker 1: And again, like that's why I think it's so hard 375 00:19:12,986 --> 00:19:16,146 Speaker 1: to evaluate these guys, because when you're picking a franchise guy, 376 00:19:16,186 --> 00:19:18,906 Speaker 1: you know, man, I'm taking twenty five to thirty percent 377 00:19:18,986 --> 00:19:21,386 Speaker 1: of my salary cap and I'm dumping it on this guy. 378 00:19:21,466 --> 00:19:24,066 Speaker 1: This is his now only got this amount to build 379 00:19:24,066 --> 00:19:28,066 Speaker 1: my team around, and so the future of your organization 380 00:19:28,146 --> 00:19:30,226 Speaker 1: and everything is critical to pick in that position. I mean, 381 00:19:30,306 --> 00:19:33,786 Speaker 1: just think about jersey sales. I mean sometimes I think 382 00:19:33,786 --> 00:19:36,626 Speaker 1: teams pick guys just because you know, Johnny Winzel, he's 383 00:19:36,666 --> 00:19:39,786 Speaker 1: a you know, a guy that's gonna sell jerseys. That's 384 00:19:39,826 --> 00:19:42,906 Speaker 1: a great business decision. By picking him in the first 385 00:19:42,986 --> 00:19:45,186 Speaker 1: round may not equate to wins. Okay, so you're talking 386 00:19:45,226 --> 00:19:48,026 Speaker 1: about business decisions, I'm gonna circle back here and talk 387 00:19:48,026 --> 00:19:51,546 Speaker 1: about playing decisions that organizations need to make. I think 388 00:19:51,546 --> 00:19:53,786 Speaker 1: There's another thing that applies not just the quarterbacks, but 389 00:19:53,946 --> 00:19:56,706 Speaker 1: every single player that has the dreams, the hopes and 390 00:19:56,746 --> 00:19:59,946 Speaker 1: streams are playing in the NFL. And that's fit where 391 00:19:59,986 --> 00:20:04,266 Speaker 1: you go making a difference. How much is that a 392 00:20:04,426 --> 00:20:07,906 Speaker 1: factor in a quarterback excess, because I think even you 393 00:20:07,986 --> 00:20:10,586 Speaker 1: brought up to a before, I don't. And this is 394 00:20:10,626 --> 00:20:12,986 Speaker 1: not a knock on coach Flora's I mean, look how 395 00:20:13,026 --> 00:20:15,786 Speaker 1: hard those dudes played for him. That's all old another 396 00:20:15,866 --> 00:20:19,186 Speaker 1: situation there. But Mike McDaniel comes in, this offense is rolling, 397 00:20:19,226 --> 00:20:22,506 Speaker 1: and is it a coach? Is it Tyreek in that offense? 398 00:20:22,626 --> 00:20:25,666 Speaker 1: Is it ra most like there? This team looks different, 399 00:20:25,706 --> 00:20:29,226 Speaker 1: The situation looks better for twa. I'd make the same 400 00:20:29,266 --> 00:20:31,746 Speaker 1: case for every quarterback that's coming out, like I want 401 00:20:31,786 --> 00:20:35,226 Speaker 1: those dudes, yeah, man. And that's one of those tricky 402 00:20:35,306 --> 00:20:38,586 Speaker 1: issues when you're a top quarterback coming in from college. 403 00:20:39,026 --> 00:20:42,306 Speaker 1: The the I don't say bad, but the teams that 404 00:20:42,346 --> 00:20:45,386 Speaker 1: aren't so good pick first, and so again, it really 405 00:20:45,426 --> 00:20:49,066 Speaker 1: depends on your situation. And I remember seeing Lamar Jackson 406 00:20:49,826 --> 00:20:51,906 Speaker 1: and go to the pick thirty two and looks like 407 00:20:51,946 --> 00:20:54,426 Speaker 1: he's upset, And I remember Prime up there interviewing him 408 00:20:54,466 --> 00:20:56,706 Speaker 1: and you can see, you know that Lamar was a 409 00:20:56,746 --> 00:20:58,386 Speaker 1: little ticked off. It's like, man, I'm been winning the 410 00:20:58,386 --> 00:21:01,666 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but I'm sitting there thinking, Bro, you got 411 00:21:01,746 --> 00:21:04,666 Speaker 1: drafted to a great situation. I mean, you look at 412 00:21:04,666 --> 00:21:07,026 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. They have one of the most steady 413 00:21:07,066 --> 00:21:11,026 Speaker 1: front offices and their player friendly. They understand the business 414 00:21:11,066 --> 00:21:13,386 Speaker 1: of it and they understand paying their players. You should 415 00:21:13,426 --> 00:21:16,426 Speaker 1: be happy you got drafted there. Again, some guys don't 416 00:21:16,426 --> 00:21:17,946 Speaker 1: look at it that way. Some guys look at their 417 00:21:17,946 --> 00:21:21,386 Speaker 1: position and where they got drafted as respect or disrespect. 418 00:21:21,546 --> 00:21:24,266 Speaker 1: That was the exact thing that Sean Lynch said about 419 00:21:24,346 --> 00:21:27,906 Speaker 1: drafting Trey Lance. He said, we're picking third overall, and 420 00:21:27,906 --> 00:21:30,306 Speaker 1: typically it's teams that don't have rosters that look like 421 00:21:30,346 --> 00:21:34,266 Speaker 1: our and that roster is clearly thriving right now and 422 00:21:34,306 --> 00:21:36,186 Speaker 1: it's got the potential to get to a Super Bowl. 423 00:21:36,186 --> 00:21:39,226 Speaker 1: But Jimmy g at the helm current crop of quarterbacks 424 00:21:39,266 --> 00:21:41,626 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Check this out. Twenty one A thirty 425 00:21:41,626 --> 00:21:45,506 Speaker 1: two current starters in the NFL selected in round number one. 426 00:21:46,026 --> 00:21:49,346 Speaker 1: None were undrafted free agents, which I thought was interesting. 427 00:21:49,386 --> 00:21:51,786 Speaker 1: Lowest pick. You know, man, it's still to go. It's 428 00:21:51,826 --> 00:21:55,946 Speaker 1: Tom Brady six round pick. Let's be honest. They got 429 00:21:56,066 --> 00:22:00,586 Speaker 1: lucky and circumstances forced that to happen, and we wouldn't 430 00:22:00,746 --> 00:22:02,626 Speaker 1: be talking about Brady and bless and when he got hurt, 431 00:22:02,826 --> 00:22:05,346 Speaker 1: I was I was flipping through. I don't even know 432 00:22:05,386 --> 00:22:07,306 Speaker 1: what play form it was on, but there's like a 433 00:22:07,386 --> 00:22:10,746 Speaker 1: doc on Brady and you know, like I'm only watching 434 00:22:10,786 --> 00:22:12,826 Speaker 1: the trailer. It's like two minutes and he's talking about 435 00:22:12,826 --> 00:22:15,146 Speaker 1: a moment super Bowl. You guys made the best decision 436 00:22:15,146 --> 00:22:17,546 Speaker 1: ever drafted me, you know, the whole thing, and you know, 437 00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:19,626 Speaker 1: looking back, like if there's different type of swag for 438 00:22:19,626 --> 00:22:21,666 Speaker 1: that dude, it's a different type of swag. But I'm 439 00:22:21,706 --> 00:22:23,746 Speaker 1: gonna be be honest and I'm gonna take anything from 440 00:22:23,826 --> 00:22:27,426 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. All guys who didn't get drafted in the 441 00:22:27,466 --> 00:22:29,746 Speaker 1: first round who think they should have got drafted higher 442 00:22:29,866 --> 00:22:31,866 Speaker 1: think that way. He's just not a lot of them 443 00:22:31,906 --> 00:22:33,786 Speaker 1: are able to stick around long enough to prove people wrong. 444 00:22:33,906 --> 00:22:36,266 Speaker 1: Is it justin Jefferson who knows every wide receiver taking 445 00:22:36,346 --> 00:22:40,146 Speaker 1: before him? He should? He should? Does that sound right 446 00:22:40,146 --> 00:22:42,226 Speaker 1: to you? That sound that I think that is the truth. 447 00:22:42,306 --> 00:22:45,466 Speaker 1: He shouldn't know everybody, Oh, it's I'm ross St. Brown. 448 00:22:45,586 --> 00:22:47,346 Speaker 1: That's what it was. By the way, you guys are 449 00:22:47,346 --> 00:22:49,666 Speaker 1: in the soundproof like behind a glass, so like when 450 00:22:49,666 --> 00:22:52,306 Speaker 1: you guys just yelling at me, I can't actually hear 451 00:22:52,746 --> 00:22:54,946 Speaker 1: what you're saying. But you're right. It was from hard knocks. 452 00:22:54,946 --> 00:22:56,826 Speaker 1: That's how I remember. I'm gonna ros St Brown. I 453 00:22:56,826 --> 00:22:59,866 Speaker 1: don't he rattles off every wide receiver taking in front 454 00:22:59,866 --> 00:23:04,146 Speaker 1: of him, freaking awesome by but he should. He should 455 00:23:04,266 --> 00:23:06,746 Speaker 1: know that, and he's a really good receiver. By the way, 456 00:23:06,746 --> 00:23:09,666 Speaker 1: thanks for the assist, guys, I appreciate that. Um alright. 457 00:23:09,706 --> 00:23:12,906 Speaker 1: So beyond Tom Brady, six current starters taking number one overall, 458 00:23:12,986 --> 00:23:16,586 Speaker 1: but their success kind of mediocre. They've compiled an overall 459 00:23:16,626 --> 00:23:20,466 Speaker 1: record of to nineteen two, forty eight losses and four ties, 460 00:23:20,506 --> 00:23:23,146 Speaker 1: so it's a forty six percent win percentage. No, I 461 00:23:23,146 --> 00:23:25,506 Speaker 1: didn't do the mass. Someone did a form teams who 462 00:23:25,546 --> 00:23:30,146 Speaker 1: have drafted the most first round quarterbacks since nineteen sixty seven, 463 00:23:30,666 --> 00:23:32,666 Speaker 1: which is the beginning of the common draft era. How 464 00:23:32,706 --> 00:23:34,906 Speaker 1: about this the Bengals, the Bears, the Browns, the Colts, 465 00:23:34,946 --> 00:23:38,266 Speaker 1: the Jets, and the Titans, all of whom have taken 466 00:23:38,346 --> 00:23:41,306 Speaker 1: six and in the case of the Bears and the Browns. Man, 467 00:23:41,346 --> 00:23:43,226 Speaker 1: I don't even need to tell your fan base. You 468 00:23:43,266 --> 00:23:45,106 Speaker 1: know where I'm going with this. It has not been 469 00:23:45,266 --> 00:23:48,226 Speaker 1: pretty all right. So all of those teams, m Rob 470 00:23:48,346 --> 00:23:50,546 Speaker 1: and I'm talking about the Bengals, Bears, Browns, Cults, Jets, 471 00:23:50,586 --> 00:23:54,306 Speaker 1: and Titans put together a combined winning percentage of forty 472 00:23:54,546 --> 00:23:57,706 Speaker 1: seven percent. And it's only the Cults boasting a record 473 00:23:57,746 --> 00:24:00,746 Speaker 1: over five hundred during that spam. And that's basically for 474 00:24:01,146 --> 00:24:05,506 Speaker 1: two reasons. Really, it's Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. Well, yeah, 475 00:24:05,746 --> 00:24:08,986 Speaker 1: and there's a generational talents. I mean, Hill paid Manning 476 00:24:09,186 --> 00:24:12,866 Speaker 1: pretty much invented a style of offense that still being 477 00:24:12,946 --> 00:24:15,226 Speaker 1: ran the day. I mean, you just can't. And I 478 00:24:15,266 --> 00:24:18,786 Speaker 1: think the Bengals, I think they're done looking for their quarterbacks. Well, 479 00:24:19,266 --> 00:24:22,106 Speaker 1: I think they're good, but uh, the Jets, they could 480 00:24:22,106 --> 00:24:25,026 Speaker 1: probably still be looking. I'm not so sure about Zack Wilson. 481 00:24:25,066 --> 00:24:27,026 Speaker 1: All Right, So I just gave you some of the numbers. 482 00:24:27,306 --> 00:24:31,506 Speaker 1: First round, guys, that doesn't equal success, are we? I 483 00:24:31,586 --> 00:24:34,466 Speaker 1: say we like I actually have the gig our teams 484 00:24:34,866 --> 00:24:38,746 Speaker 1: spending too much draft capital to go and get what 485 00:24:38,946 --> 00:24:41,466 Speaker 1: they think is a franchise quarterback and round number one. 486 00:24:41,666 --> 00:24:44,306 Speaker 1: I believe so, because again you gotta understand who I am. 487 00:24:44,306 --> 00:24:47,386 Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer in building the roster. The quarterback 488 00:24:47,466 --> 00:24:49,786 Speaker 1: is a football player, He's one of the guys just 489 00:24:49,906 --> 00:24:52,546 Speaker 1: like everybody else, and you build the roster around him, 490 00:24:52,706 --> 00:24:56,306 Speaker 1: which can almost guarantee the success of that position, and 491 00:24:56,346 --> 00:24:58,786 Speaker 1: then you don't necessarily always have to pay that guy 492 00:24:58,946 --> 00:25:02,746 Speaker 1: thirty five of your salary cap. But yes, I do 493 00:25:02,866 --> 00:25:05,346 Speaker 1: think it's a little bit of paralysis about analysis. I 494 00:25:05,386 --> 00:25:07,466 Speaker 1: do think that we overthink it. I do think that 495 00:25:07,586 --> 00:25:10,866 Speaker 1: they give up too much draft capital sometimes. But at 496 00:25:10,866 --> 00:25:13,186 Speaker 1: the end of the day, when you look at the 497 00:25:13,226 --> 00:25:16,546 Speaker 1: teams who have one of those guys walking around, I mean, 498 00:25:16,546 --> 00:25:19,386 Speaker 1: they're the ultimate the old Evan. They cover up for 499 00:25:19,386 --> 00:25:22,546 Speaker 1: for bad decisions or bad front office decisions, they cover 500 00:25:22,626 --> 00:25:25,666 Speaker 1: up for injuries that happened during the season, and general 501 00:25:25,706 --> 00:25:28,226 Speaker 1: managers again, they cover up from bad decisions from a 502 00:25:28,226 --> 00:25:30,746 Speaker 1: scouting department. Well and and even speaking of some of 503 00:25:30,786 --> 00:25:33,786 Speaker 1: this capital, sometimes it does work out right. I mean 504 00:25:34,066 --> 00:25:35,786 Speaker 1: the Rams is an example of that. I mean, they 505 00:25:35,786 --> 00:25:37,986 Speaker 1: don't have draft picks like god, I mean we're kind 506 00:25:37,986 --> 00:25:39,946 Speaker 1: of joking. I think they had one picking this last draft. 507 00:25:40,226 --> 00:25:45,746 Speaker 1: So again. You you sacrifice your future just to get 508 00:25:45,746 --> 00:25:48,186 Speaker 1: this one super Bowl last year. Now you're last in 509 00:25:48,186 --> 00:25:51,506 Speaker 1: the division, your thirties in our power rankings. Did you 510 00:25:51,586 --> 00:25:53,466 Speaker 1: just all want to do it all for one year? 511 00:25:53,546 --> 00:25:55,986 Speaker 1: Or do you want to build something that's gonna be 512 00:25:56,066 --> 00:25:58,706 Speaker 1: around and build a legacy that's gonna be around for 513 00:25:58,746 --> 00:26:00,666 Speaker 1: a long time. I don't know. To me. You build 514 00:26:00,666 --> 00:26:03,666 Speaker 1: a team for the long haul and successful just happened. 515 00:26:03,666 --> 00:26:05,026 Speaker 1: You don't build it for one year. It's been a 516 00:26:05,106 --> 00:26:08,026 Speaker 1: long haul the like two or three years. Let's be 517 00:26:08,106 --> 00:26:10,786 Speaker 1: fair here, right, Like Aaron Donald bang up, Stafford banged 518 00:26:10,866 --> 00:26:12,986 Speaker 1: up this year, Cooper Cup banged up this year, Allen 519 00:26:13,026 --> 00:26:17,186 Speaker 1: Robinson banged up this year. Like no one saw this coming. 520 00:26:17,226 --> 00:26:18,706 Speaker 1: Like if they didn't get back to a super Bowl, 521 00:26:18,786 --> 00:26:21,066 Speaker 1: be like all right, cool, Like I get it, that happens, 522 00:26:21,066 --> 00:26:22,706 Speaker 1: Like well done, you got the you got the chip 523 00:26:22,826 --> 00:26:26,426 Speaker 1: last year. But to see it unfold like this, like 524 00:26:26,466 --> 00:26:28,906 Speaker 1: they were supposed to have at least some legs here, 525 00:26:28,986 --> 00:26:31,186 Speaker 1: they were supposed to three year run some legs. But 526 00:26:31,226 --> 00:26:34,186 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, most Super Bowl teams, 527 00:26:34,746 --> 00:26:38,346 Speaker 1: you're lucky because the health fell in your favorite no doubt, 528 00:26:38,346 --> 00:26:40,026 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? If you're gonna if you're 529 00:26:40,026 --> 00:26:42,906 Speaker 1: a guessing man, which a lot of these different managers are, 530 00:26:42,946 --> 00:26:45,586 Speaker 1: you kind of gotta be when you're guessing your future, right, 531 00:26:45,666 --> 00:26:49,346 Speaker 1: you gotta anticipate injuries happening. You gotta anticipate you're gonna 532 00:26:49,346 --> 00:26:51,306 Speaker 1: need some of those draft picks. All right, So we're 533 00:26:51,306 --> 00:26:53,266 Speaker 1: talking about draft cafall here. Just to put a bow 534 00:26:53,426 --> 00:26:57,346 Speaker 1: on this conversation, as you would imagine, quarterback selected number 535 00:26:57,346 --> 00:27:00,506 Speaker 1: one overall more than twice as any other position, the 536 00:27:00,586 --> 00:27:03,106 Speaker 1: second most drafted spot. This shouldn't be too much of 537 00:27:03,106 --> 00:27:06,026 Speaker 1: a surprise considering what we've told John some of our 538 00:27:06,026 --> 00:27:09,626 Speaker 1: previous shows. But defensive ban so since nineteen sixty seven 539 00:27:10,546 --> 00:27:15,106 Speaker 1: quarterbacks number one overall, thirteen d n s, seven running backs, 540 00:27:15,346 --> 00:27:19,066 Speaker 1: four offensive tackles, two wide receivers to defensive tackles and 541 00:27:19,106 --> 00:27:21,546 Speaker 1: two linebackers, have thought it would be bit more tackles 542 00:27:21,586 --> 00:27:24,266 Speaker 1: being first overall again. And I understand everything is about 543 00:27:24,266 --> 00:27:26,786 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. So the quarterback, then the guy rushed in. 544 00:27:26,786 --> 00:27:28,546 Speaker 1: The quarterback makes a lot of money, so you know 545 00:27:28,586 --> 00:27:30,426 Speaker 1: you want to you want that guy, But the guy 546 00:27:30,466 --> 00:27:32,986 Speaker 1: protecting the quarterback means a lot as well. And just 547 00:27:33,066 --> 00:27:35,346 Speaker 1: because we spent some time talking about twenty eight team. 548 00:27:35,426 --> 00:27:37,826 Speaker 1: Check this out, a little bit of a microcosmhouse Selecting 549 00:27:37,826 --> 00:27:41,066 Speaker 1: the wrong quarterback can set a franchise back Baker Mayfield 550 00:27:41,146 --> 00:27:43,946 Speaker 1: number one to the Browns, Donald number two to the Jets. 551 00:27:44,026 --> 00:27:47,586 Speaker 1: Arizona took Josh Rosen. Rosen doesn't make it into year 552 00:27:47,626 --> 00:27:49,866 Speaker 1: two as a start in their combined records of the 553 00:27:49,946 --> 00:27:53,146 Speaker 1: Jets and the Browns in the three years subsequent years 554 00:27:53,466 --> 00:27:58,906 Speaker 1: thirty seven and fifty eight and one. That's terrible. That hurts, Yes, 555 00:27:58,906 --> 00:28:01,226 Speaker 1: it does in a big way. All right, So a 556 00:28:01,266 --> 00:28:04,986 Speaker 1: little bit more on this quarterback draft strategy here when 557 00:28:05,026 --> 00:28:07,346 Speaker 1: we come back here on the NFL explained, we're gonna 558 00:28:07,506 --> 00:28:10,466 Speaker 1: see if it's easier or harder to evaluate quarterbacks in 559 00:28:10,586 --> 00:28:13,066 Speaker 1: this era. Like think about this man, Like all the 560 00:28:13,226 --> 00:28:16,786 Speaker 1: data that is available to everyone in the front office, 561 00:28:16,826 --> 00:28:19,346 Speaker 1: all the film, every angle. I mean, hell, you can 562 00:28:19,346 --> 00:28:21,306 Speaker 1: spin around. We do this on NFL network all time, 563 00:28:21,346 --> 00:28:23,586 Speaker 1: like cameras that spin around on the whole thing, and 564 00:28:23,666 --> 00:28:26,226 Speaker 1: we might work out just a little bit um. An 565 00:28:26,306 --> 00:28:30,826 Speaker 1: interesting conclusion to from an economist or two economists who 566 00:28:31,386 --> 00:28:35,186 Speaker 1: tried to quantify how difficult it is to draft a 567 00:28:35,306 --> 00:28:39,626 Speaker 1: quarterback and their findings are really significant. We'll tell you 568 00:28:39,666 --> 00:28:41,906 Speaker 1: what those are coming up next on the NFL Explained Pod. 569 00:28:48,906 --> 00:28:51,346 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the NFL Explained Podcast. If 570 00:28:51,346 --> 00:28:53,706 Speaker 1: you have a question, it's like our normal p s A. 571 00:28:53,906 --> 00:28:56,066 Speaker 1: Do you just DM me. I promise we will get 572 00:28:56,066 --> 00:28:58,026 Speaker 1: to as many questions by the end of the season 573 00:28:58,386 --> 00:29:00,546 Speaker 1: as we can. If you did send one, I look, 574 00:29:00,586 --> 00:29:02,666 Speaker 1: I hit everyone back and you guys know this. So 575 00:29:02,906 --> 00:29:04,826 Speaker 1: if you got a question, if we haven't gotten to it, 576 00:29:04,946 --> 00:29:08,746 Speaker 1: trust me, we will. But we're talking about quarterbacks here 577 00:29:08,826 --> 00:29:12,786 Speaker 1: and the draft. Uh, the difficulty of finding the quarterback 578 00:29:12,866 --> 00:29:15,746 Speaker 1: that can lead your franchise. Is it easier now and 579 00:29:15,906 --> 00:29:20,066 Speaker 1: rob or harder to evaluate guys that play this position 580 00:29:20,106 --> 00:29:22,826 Speaker 1: compared to I don't know, years ago. I think it's 581 00:29:22,866 --> 00:29:26,866 Speaker 1: harder even with all of the information that we have. Yeah, 582 00:29:26,906 --> 00:29:30,386 Speaker 1: I think sometimes there's too much informations, you know. Sometimes, 583 00:29:30,466 --> 00:29:32,946 Speaker 1: you know, I hear a lot of people in our business, 584 00:29:33,146 --> 00:29:36,666 Speaker 1: you know, evaluate quarterbacks and things like that, and I 585 00:29:36,666 --> 00:29:40,226 Speaker 1: don't even hear them talk about just does this guy win? 586 00:29:40,386 --> 00:29:43,586 Speaker 1: Does wins follow this person? I mean, to me, that's 587 00:29:43,666 --> 00:29:46,386 Speaker 1: one of the most overlooked genes, just the win gene. 588 00:29:46,866 --> 00:29:48,546 Speaker 1: You look at some of these guys. And yes, they 589 00:29:48,546 --> 00:29:50,266 Speaker 1: can throw the ball through a brick wall, they can 590 00:29:50,306 --> 00:29:53,386 Speaker 1: throw the ball a hundred yards, but every level they've 591 00:29:53,426 --> 00:29:55,746 Speaker 1: been on, they've lost. And to me, that says something 592 00:29:55,786 --> 00:29:58,346 Speaker 1: about just you know who the guy is, the pr 593 00:29:58,426 --> 00:30:01,186 Speaker 1: of the guy right within the team? Can he operate 594 00:30:01,186 --> 00:30:02,866 Speaker 1: with every group of the team. To me, that goes 595 00:30:02,906 --> 00:30:04,866 Speaker 1: a long way, and it shows whether or not the 596 00:30:04,866 --> 00:30:06,826 Speaker 1: team is gonna fight for a guy. Right Like when 597 00:30:06,986 --> 00:30:09,146 Speaker 1: we talked about the Jets a little bit earlier. You 598 00:30:09,146 --> 00:30:11,866 Speaker 1: look at the Jets and Mike White versus Zack Wilson. 599 00:30:11,906 --> 00:30:13,866 Speaker 1: You look at when Zach Wilson has success in the 600 00:30:13,906 --> 00:30:16,866 Speaker 1: team's reaction and look at Mike White's when he has 601 00:30:16,906 --> 00:30:19,426 Speaker 1: success in the team reaction. It tells you all you 602 00:30:19,466 --> 00:30:21,906 Speaker 1: need to know about the leadership of those two guys. 603 00:30:22,106 --> 00:30:25,106 Speaker 1: I just think sometimes when we're evaluating quarterbacks, we look 604 00:30:25,146 --> 00:30:27,226 Speaker 1: at all of this hard dat. Oh he did for 605 00:30:27,266 --> 00:30:29,906 Speaker 1: this many yards, he had this many starts, Uh, he 606 00:30:29,946 --> 00:30:32,346 Speaker 1: want this, this and the third? Did he win games? 607 00:30:33,226 --> 00:30:36,106 Speaker 1: First and foremost? Did he win in high school? College? All? 608 00:30:36,306 --> 00:30:38,546 Speaker 1: If he wanted all those levels? You know what, it's 609 00:30:38,586 --> 00:30:40,746 Speaker 1: a pretty good chance wherever this kid goes he's gonna 610 00:30:40,786 --> 00:30:42,866 Speaker 1: win in the National Football League as well. I'm always 611 00:30:42,906 --> 00:30:45,666 Speaker 1: amazed by talent evaluators because here's what I'll say. I 612 00:30:45,666 --> 00:30:49,026 Speaker 1: almost think it's easier on the NFL side to evaluate 613 00:30:49,106 --> 00:30:51,346 Speaker 1: for the draft than it is to be on the 614 00:30:51,386 --> 00:30:53,986 Speaker 1: college side. And hear me out here. Years I spent 615 00:30:54,106 --> 00:30:57,586 Speaker 1: my career covering college athletics and we would do like 616 00:30:57,626 --> 00:31:00,586 Speaker 1: the signing day shows they throw off the film and 617 00:31:00,826 --> 00:31:03,186 Speaker 1: be like a four star dude or a five star guy, 618 00:31:03,426 --> 00:31:06,266 Speaker 1: and it's a guy that's like crushing the dude size, 619 00:31:06,546 --> 00:31:08,346 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself, like, yeah, that guy is 620 00:31:08,346 --> 00:31:10,586 Speaker 1: gonna look good on tape. Like look at the competition, 621 00:31:10,626 --> 00:31:13,026 Speaker 1: Like the level is just different, whereas if you get 622 00:31:13,026 --> 00:31:15,066 Speaker 1: to and this is why the Trey Lance thing right, 623 00:31:15,106 --> 00:31:17,746 Speaker 1: like FCS versus FBS, Power five, the whole thing. Like 624 00:31:18,066 --> 00:31:21,026 Speaker 1: that's why that was fascinating to me, because the level 625 00:31:21,026 --> 00:31:24,306 Speaker 1: of competition is just different. And clearly you don't need 626 00:31:24,346 --> 00:31:26,386 Speaker 1: to be in a Power five school to thrive in 627 00:31:26,386 --> 00:31:30,266 Speaker 1: the NFL. There's so many examples of that. But I 628 00:31:30,306 --> 00:31:32,426 Speaker 1: almost feel like with with everything that's out there, when 629 00:31:32,466 --> 00:31:35,066 Speaker 1: you the competition is more steady, I don't know if 630 00:31:35,066 --> 00:31:37,306 Speaker 1: that makes sense. It does make sense. I would agree 631 00:31:37,346 --> 00:31:39,906 Speaker 1: with you that the competition is a little bit more steady. 632 00:31:39,986 --> 00:31:42,746 Speaker 1: And what makes things difficult to evaluate on the college 633 00:31:42,866 --> 00:31:45,546 Speaker 1: side of things is a lot of these college evaluators 634 00:31:45,826 --> 00:31:48,186 Speaker 1: they just don't have the time to see all of 635 00:31:48,226 --> 00:31:50,466 Speaker 1: the different athletes out here, so they go to these 636 00:31:50,466 --> 00:31:55,066 Speaker 1: sites and rely on their rankings to see how to 637 00:31:55,106 --> 00:31:56,666 Speaker 1: look at any of You end up finding out those 638 00:31:56,746 --> 00:31:59,146 Speaker 1: rankings are a lot of times pay for and so 639 00:31:59,506 --> 00:32:02,786 Speaker 1: that's to me, that's what makes it difficult from Italian standpoint, 640 00:32:02,786 --> 00:32:04,706 Speaker 1: in college or the guy's signs with the team and 641 00:32:04,746 --> 00:32:06,386 Speaker 1: he goes from a two star to be four five 642 00:32:06,426 --> 00:32:11,146 Speaker 1: start just based off of the university to Alabama and yeah, no, 643 00:32:11,226 --> 00:32:14,626 Speaker 1: there's no question. What about like schematically right, like Jalen 644 00:32:14,706 --> 00:32:17,306 Speaker 1: Hurts trail Aance comes to mind, We'll throw Lamar's name 645 00:32:17,426 --> 00:32:21,986 Speaker 1: into the mix. The college game has looked different at 646 00:32:22,026 --> 00:32:24,746 Speaker 1: times in the NFL game, where now the NFL game 647 00:32:24,786 --> 00:32:27,506 Speaker 1: is almost catching up to the other levels. How do 648 00:32:27,586 --> 00:32:30,866 Speaker 1: you think that affects that evaluation? Well, first of all, um, 649 00:32:31,226 --> 00:32:33,826 Speaker 1: you know one thousand percent spot on with that. The 650 00:32:33,906 --> 00:32:37,506 Speaker 1: National Football League is now just starting to catch up 651 00:32:37,826 --> 00:32:41,106 Speaker 1: with college. Uh. To me, all the innovation, all the 652 00:32:41,306 --> 00:32:44,346 Speaker 1: great plays and great play calls happened in college first. 653 00:32:44,826 --> 00:32:46,586 Speaker 1: Then the National Football League coach just look at it 654 00:32:46,586 --> 00:32:48,866 Speaker 1: and they say, oh, we can you know, we should 655 00:32:48,906 --> 00:32:51,786 Speaker 1: be doing that. I think the spread offense, the read option, 656 00:32:51,866 --> 00:32:54,906 Speaker 1: our peoples, all of those things, they aren't foreign concepts 657 00:32:54,906 --> 00:32:57,586 Speaker 1: to the National Football League, but it was legitimized in 658 00:32:58,506 --> 00:33:01,546 Speaker 1: when the Philadelphia Eagles, with the way that they did 659 00:33:01,546 --> 00:33:05,186 Speaker 1: their offense. It legitimized it because that style won a 660 00:33:05,306 --> 00:33:09,186 Speaker 1: Super And so to me, now a lot of teams 661 00:33:09,226 --> 00:33:11,866 Speaker 1: are looking for these dynamic types of quarterbacks, and to me, 662 00:33:11,946 --> 00:33:14,426 Speaker 1: is malpractice for you to put a guy like Lamar 663 00:33:14,506 --> 00:33:17,266 Speaker 1: Jackson or Jalen Hurts to put him in a system 664 00:33:17,266 --> 00:33:20,106 Speaker 1: where he's throwing the ball fifty times a game. To me, 665 00:33:20,146 --> 00:33:23,746 Speaker 1: that's stupid. I mean, it really is like like a 666 00:33:23,826 --> 00:33:27,066 Speaker 1: fifty yard explosive play. It doesn't matter without ran fifty 667 00:33:27,106 --> 00:33:29,226 Speaker 1: yards through the ball five yards, you ran forty five, 668 00:33:29,346 --> 00:33:31,306 Speaker 1: or throw the ball fifty yards, it's still a fifty 669 00:33:31,346 --> 00:33:35,466 Speaker 1: yard explosive play. And I think that's what now offenses 670 00:33:35,466 --> 00:33:38,706 Speaker 1: in the National Football League are starting to kind of understand, 671 00:33:38,786 --> 00:33:41,626 Speaker 1: like man, like the guy who touches the ball every 672 00:33:41,666 --> 00:33:44,626 Speaker 1: single play. Probably should be my most dynamic player. Uh 673 00:33:45,066 --> 00:33:47,986 Speaker 1: So you can see the athletic ability, you can see 674 00:33:48,186 --> 00:33:51,186 Speaker 1: what these guys have in terms of arm talent. Sometimes 675 00:33:51,186 --> 00:33:54,426 Speaker 1: you don't know what's in between the ears the giants. 676 00:33:54,466 --> 00:33:56,826 Speaker 1: I love this story. They used to give two hundred 677 00:33:56,866 --> 00:34:00,946 Speaker 1: page psychological exams to different players. One of those guys 678 00:34:01,026 --> 00:34:04,426 Speaker 1: was Dion Sanders, who actually walked away in your experience. 679 00:34:04,986 --> 00:34:08,946 Speaker 1: How should do some of those intangibles? Like, how do 680 00:34:08,986 --> 00:34:11,106 Speaker 1: you how do you figure out like the mental makeup 681 00:34:11,146 --> 00:34:15,346 Speaker 1: of a guy that's gonna be the face of your franchise. Well, again, 682 00:34:15,826 --> 00:34:17,546 Speaker 1: you kind of gotta look at him on every level. 683 00:34:17,626 --> 00:34:21,506 Speaker 1: Does wins follow him? Does you know, good energy follow 684 00:34:21,586 --> 00:34:25,786 Speaker 1: him or that's negative energy? Does bad situations follow the kid? Um? 685 00:34:25,906 --> 00:34:27,826 Speaker 1: When when I look at some of the intangibles, when 686 00:34:27,826 --> 00:34:30,946 Speaker 1: I'm looking at quarterbacks, first and foremost, the ability for 687 00:34:30,946 --> 00:34:34,186 Speaker 1: that kid to communicate right, And I think that's why 688 00:34:34,666 --> 00:34:38,466 Speaker 1: going to pro days are so critical for some talent evaluators. 689 00:34:38,706 --> 00:34:41,506 Speaker 1: I want to see a kid in his environment. I 690 00:34:41,506 --> 00:34:43,866 Speaker 1: want to see him comfortable. I want to see him 691 00:34:43,866 --> 00:34:46,346 Speaker 1: around his guys. He's been throwing two for two, three 692 00:34:46,386 --> 00:34:48,186 Speaker 1: or four or five years or whatever the case may be. 693 00:34:48,626 --> 00:34:50,506 Speaker 1: And I just want to see him let it go 694 00:34:50,586 --> 00:34:52,106 Speaker 1: and let it. I want to see him light up 695 00:34:52,106 --> 00:34:55,626 Speaker 1: a room. Uh. People talked about Baker Mayfield having that 696 00:34:55,786 --> 00:34:58,506 Speaker 1: ability that whenever room he walked into when he was, 697 00:34:58,666 --> 00:35:00,826 Speaker 1: you know, going through the draft process, that the other 698 00:35:00,906 --> 00:35:04,666 Speaker 1: quarterbacks would kind of shrink and his personality would show up, 699 00:35:04,706 --> 00:35:06,466 Speaker 1: and it gave him a egg up. It gave him 700 00:35:06,466 --> 00:35:08,946 Speaker 1: an advantage. And to me, that is a very important 701 00:35:08,986 --> 00:35:11,666 Speaker 1: intangible that you gotta have. I had a young I 702 00:35:11,666 --> 00:35:13,946 Speaker 1: had a football coach, and I was eight years nine 703 00:35:14,026 --> 00:35:16,746 Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, maybe in ten years old, nine years old. 704 00:35:16,746 --> 00:35:20,426 Speaker 1: I think, tell me, like, dude, like your ability to 705 00:35:20,426 --> 00:35:23,146 Speaker 1: communicate it is crazy. You gotta watch what you watch 706 00:35:23,186 --> 00:35:25,626 Speaker 1: on TV, the music you're listening to, the books you read. 707 00:35:25,666 --> 00:35:29,306 Speaker 1: Because your gift is when you speak, people listen. So 708 00:35:29,346 --> 00:35:31,466 Speaker 1: you gotta be responsible about what you let in your hands. 709 00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:34,026 Speaker 1: So I knew. I knew that earlier on in my life. 710 00:35:34,066 --> 00:35:38,626 Speaker 1: Another intangible, it's work ethic. Does this person like a 711 00:35:38,746 --> 00:35:41,906 Speaker 1: Tom Brady have the ability to be a force multiplier? 712 00:35:42,186 --> 00:35:44,586 Speaker 1: Can this guy, just by his presence and his work 713 00:35:44,626 --> 00:35:48,626 Speaker 1: ethic elevate everybody else around him? And then finally, for me, 714 00:35:48,706 --> 00:35:53,026 Speaker 1: I think it's the most important authentic leadership leading in 715 00:35:53,066 --> 00:35:56,186 Speaker 1: your way they see, leadership isn't a book that you 716 00:35:56,266 --> 00:35:58,546 Speaker 1: read and say, you know what, that's what I gotta 717 00:35:58,586 --> 00:36:00,546 Speaker 1: do to be a leader. I'm gonna go do that tomorrow. 718 00:36:00,586 --> 00:36:04,026 Speaker 1: And I've been around guys like that where the leadership 719 00:36:04,306 --> 00:36:07,586 Speaker 1: and the things that they say you like, man, you're 720 00:36:07,626 --> 00:36:10,186 Speaker 1: not real. You know, you speak into the team, but 721 00:36:10,266 --> 00:36:13,906 Speaker 1: you're really not real. Good quarterback and a great quality 722 00:36:13,946 --> 00:36:17,906 Speaker 1: of a quarterback is having that genuine authentic leadership. I know, 723 00:36:18,026 --> 00:36:20,506 Speaker 1: for me, I was a guy that when I played quarterback, 724 00:36:20,506 --> 00:36:24,106 Speaker 1: I love to respond to adversity. So I would create 725 00:36:24,146 --> 00:36:26,786 Speaker 1: our seven on sevens so that it was nothing but 726 00:36:26,826 --> 00:36:29,066 Speaker 1: a roast session. Really. I mean we would throw the 727 00:36:29,106 --> 00:36:31,666 Speaker 1: football or whatever, but I was cracking on the linebackers 728 00:36:31,666 --> 00:36:34,586 Speaker 1: and defensive backs. They were throwing jokes at me, and 729 00:36:34,626 --> 00:36:37,386 Speaker 1: it turned into this thing. Everybody loved to come to 730 00:36:37,386 --> 00:36:39,826 Speaker 1: seven on seven, even the defensive lineman because it turned 731 00:36:39,866 --> 00:36:42,626 Speaker 1: into a great road session while all that adversity and 732 00:36:42,746 --> 00:36:44,506 Speaker 1: going back at each other and all of those things 733 00:36:44,666 --> 00:36:48,546 Speaker 1: brought the team together. That was my version of authentic leadership. 734 00:36:48,586 --> 00:36:50,826 Speaker 1: My way keep you a quiet leader. Yeah you can. 735 00:36:51,266 --> 00:36:54,386 Speaker 1: I mean you can, but again, if your ability to 736 00:36:54,866 --> 00:36:58,866 Speaker 1: in human situations communicate with a person. I'm not saying 737 00:36:58,866 --> 00:37:01,186 Speaker 1: you gotta be the guy to speak to the entire team, 738 00:37:01,226 --> 00:37:03,866 Speaker 1: but if if a guy runs a wrong route, you 739 00:37:03,946 --> 00:37:05,746 Speaker 1: have to be able to go over there and tell them, 740 00:37:05,786 --> 00:37:07,306 Speaker 1: and he has to be able to respect to a 741 00:37:07,426 --> 00:37:10,706 Speaker 1: pare and to me, that comes with Again, authentic leadership 742 00:37:10,826 --> 00:37:13,866 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have to beat aloud as, but authentic definitely. 743 00:37:13,906 --> 00:37:16,346 Speaker 1: All right, So, speaking of some of these intangibles, got 744 00:37:16,386 --> 00:37:20,386 Speaker 1: a couple of economists, David Berry and Rob Simmons. They 745 00:37:20,386 --> 00:37:22,826 Speaker 1: try to figure out how you could nail down the 746 00:37:22,866 --> 00:37:25,386 Speaker 1: process of selecting a quarterback in the NFL draft. Two 747 00:37:25,426 --> 00:37:28,946 Speaker 1: thousand nine, they published a paper went over decades of 748 00:37:29,826 --> 00:37:33,906 Speaker 1: data drafted NFL quarterbacks. Here's what the conclusion was. On 749 00:37:33,946 --> 00:37:38,466 Speaker 1: a per play basis, quarterbacks chosen with picks eleven through fifty, 750 00:37:38,586 --> 00:37:43,386 Speaker 1: as well as picks fifty one through nine outperform quarterbacks 751 00:37:43,506 --> 00:37:47,466 Speaker 1: chosen in the top ten or comparing two quarterbacks with 752 00:37:47,706 --> 00:37:50,826 Speaker 1: the same NFL experience, the players selected early in the 753 00:37:50,906 --> 00:37:55,386 Speaker 1: draft is not predicted to have significantly different NFL performance 754 00:37:55,466 --> 00:37:59,546 Speaker 1: levels than a player pick later in the draft. They did, however, 755 00:37:59,586 --> 00:38:02,186 Speaker 1: find that the top picks are given more time to succeed. 756 00:38:02,546 --> 00:38:04,586 Speaker 1: I go back to Zack Wilson here. I brought up 757 00:38:04,586 --> 00:38:08,026 Speaker 1: what Mike Gara Folo was telling. Mean, hey, draft positioning matters, 758 00:38:08,066 --> 00:38:11,586 Speaker 1: second overall pick. What do you make of what the 759 00:38:11,666 --> 00:38:15,426 Speaker 1: economists came up with. It's some interesting information. I got 760 00:38:15,466 --> 00:38:18,466 Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts on that. I mean, you know, 761 00:38:18,866 --> 00:38:21,626 Speaker 1: a lot of football players dreams are to be drafted 762 00:38:21,706 --> 00:38:25,506 Speaker 1: top ten like a draft. Like you're an eight year 763 00:38:25,506 --> 00:38:29,506 Speaker 1: old little boy. You fall asleep and you dream of 764 00:38:29,626 --> 00:38:32,106 Speaker 1: hearing your name called and you're the first pick of 765 00:38:32,106 --> 00:38:35,146 Speaker 1: the draft. And so I think sometimes when you're a 766 00:38:35,226 --> 00:38:38,466 Speaker 1: top ten pick, it's almost like, these guys take a breath. 767 00:38:40,306 --> 00:38:42,906 Speaker 1: I achieved it, you know what I'm saying, As opposed 768 00:38:42,946 --> 00:38:44,666 Speaker 1: to some of the other picks, whether it's later on 769 00:38:44,666 --> 00:38:46,586 Speaker 1: in the first round or later on in the draft 770 00:38:46,746 --> 00:38:51,186 Speaker 1: or whatever, there's a natural chip on your shoulder to 771 00:38:51,666 --> 00:38:53,986 Speaker 1: kind of response because you didn't all of a sudden 772 00:38:54,026 --> 00:38:58,826 Speaker 1: meet the goal. And I think there's a subconscious something 773 00:38:58,906 --> 00:39:01,506 Speaker 1: there with that fact that when when you're looking at 774 00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:03,386 Speaker 1: the way, you know the numbers that the economists got 775 00:39:03,426 --> 00:39:05,706 Speaker 1: I do think it's something there, But I do think 776 00:39:05,826 --> 00:39:08,466 Speaker 1: general managers are scared to put a plug on some 777 00:39:08,546 --> 00:39:11,786 Speaker 1: of their draft picks because if you do it, it's 778 00:39:11,826 --> 00:39:15,586 Speaker 1: indicative that you messed up on you, flection on you, 779 00:39:16,066 --> 00:39:18,426 Speaker 1: and oftentimes with with the Eagle and some of these 780 00:39:18,426 --> 00:39:21,306 Speaker 1: general managers, they don't want to admit that they messed 781 00:39:21,386 --> 00:39:23,466 Speaker 1: up and had a bad pick. That's why I got 782 00:39:23,466 --> 00:39:26,506 Speaker 1: so much respect for people like Bill Belichick, the Bill 783 00:39:26,546 --> 00:39:28,266 Speaker 1: polian Is from back in the day with the Colts 784 00:39:28,266 --> 00:39:31,386 Speaker 1: and guys like that, the Ozzy Newsom's. You know, they're 785 00:39:31,426 --> 00:39:33,386 Speaker 1: not afraid to say, you know what, I thought this 786 00:39:33,506 --> 00:39:36,786 Speaker 1: dude was good, but I was wrong, and now I'm 787 00:39:36,826 --> 00:39:39,026 Speaker 1: gonna let this guy go and see if he can 788 00:39:39,066 --> 00:39:41,626 Speaker 1: find employment somewhere. Is they're just not afraid to admit 789 00:39:41,666 --> 00:39:45,146 Speaker 1: that they messed up. To me, that acknowledgement, that humbleness 790 00:39:45,146 --> 00:39:47,666 Speaker 1: that they come from makes them great. Well, one thing 791 00:39:47,706 --> 00:39:49,746 Speaker 1: that everyone focuses in on you don't even have to 792 00:39:49,746 --> 00:39:51,626 Speaker 1: be a quarterback. You just gotta be a professional athlete. 793 00:39:51,666 --> 00:39:53,426 Speaker 1: You know where I'm going with this, right, It's like, 794 00:39:53,426 --> 00:39:54,866 Speaker 1: did he used to say man or maybe he was 795 00:39:54,866 --> 00:39:56,906 Speaker 1: puffy at the time, all about the Benjamin all about 796 00:39:56,946 --> 00:40:01,346 Speaker 1: the money. Yeah, he's probably at that point, all right. 797 00:40:01,386 --> 00:40:04,586 Speaker 1: So in the in the previous collective bargain agreement, top 798 00:40:04,626 --> 00:40:06,746 Speaker 1: ricky quarterbacks, you guys got, I was like Matt Ryan, 799 00:40:06,786 --> 00:40:09,986 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, Sam Bradford, they're making seventy plus million on 800 00:40:10,026 --> 00:40:13,426 Speaker 1: their first contract. Remember Bradford, that happening to him. Lord, 801 00:40:13,466 --> 00:40:15,386 Speaker 1: he might have been even the last guy to take advantage. 802 00:40:15,426 --> 00:40:18,426 Speaker 1: But most rookies right now are making considerably loud and 803 00:40:18,466 --> 00:40:20,626 Speaker 1: a little insight on that. I don't mean interrupted, but 804 00:40:20,866 --> 00:40:22,426 Speaker 1: inside on that. When I first got in the league, 805 00:40:22,466 --> 00:40:24,546 Speaker 1: Geane Upshaw, who he was our leader of the union 806 00:40:24,586 --> 00:40:28,346 Speaker 1: at the time, he said, guys, we want these first 807 00:40:28,386 --> 00:40:30,746 Speaker 1: round quarterbacks to get this money like this. We wanted 808 00:40:30,786 --> 00:40:34,226 Speaker 1: to be big, and as veterans they're like why. And 809 00:40:34,346 --> 00:40:37,586 Speaker 1: his whole thing was a guaranteed longevity of the player. 810 00:40:38,266 --> 00:40:40,866 Speaker 1: If the player wasn't paying out, he would have to 811 00:40:40,906 --> 00:40:43,106 Speaker 1: renegotiate towards the back end of his deal because the 812 00:40:43,106 --> 00:40:45,106 Speaker 1: team wasn't gonna pay him that money, and so it 813 00:40:45,186 --> 00:40:48,146 Speaker 1: added years to his career. But the way it is now, 814 00:40:48,506 --> 00:40:51,226 Speaker 1: you see teams just cut the guy he could possibly 815 00:40:51,226 --> 00:40:52,906 Speaker 1: be out the league. Well, That's where I was going 816 00:40:52,906 --> 00:40:55,666 Speaker 1: with it, Like I almost isn't that kind of like 817 00:40:55,746 --> 00:40:57,666 Speaker 1: not to sound like Darwin, but like, isn't that kind 818 00:40:57,666 --> 00:40:59,746 Speaker 1: of a good thing? Like, Yo, you can play, you 819 00:40:59,786 --> 00:41:02,386 Speaker 1: could still be out there, you could it is man 820 00:41:02,426 --> 00:41:05,066 Speaker 1: and and again that's why he wanted it structured that 821 00:41:05,106 --> 00:41:06,986 Speaker 1: way and again every but I like, oh, guarantee you 822 00:41:07,426 --> 00:41:09,266 Speaker 1: why they make us so much money all of those things. 823 00:41:09,426 --> 00:41:11,306 Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a backstory behind that 824 00:41:11,346 --> 00:41:14,666 Speaker 1: and why they wanted those rookie contracts front loaded that way. Okay, 825 00:41:14,666 --> 00:41:17,106 Speaker 1: So I like where you're going with that. How about this, 826 00:41:17,186 --> 00:41:20,146 Speaker 1: because we've spent a lot of time having you take 827 00:41:20,266 --> 00:41:23,186 Speaker 1: me through the evaluation process, things that you really value. 828 00:41:23,546 --> 00:41:27,386 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three draft I would go to because I 829 00:41:27,386 --> 00:41:29,226 Speaker 1: already know who's gonna be the first overall pick. But 830 00:41:30,266 --> 00:41:34,146 Speaker 1: is there a quarterback that you think should be deserving 831 00:41:34,226 --> 00:41:37,146 Speaker 1: of being the first off the board? Uh? Yeah, who's 832 00:41:37,186 --> 00:41:41,906 Speaker 1: the the Ohuse State kid. You know, I'm a pin Stater. 833 00:41:42,146 --> 00:41:45,186 Speaker 1: It pains me to say this, but that kid, I've 834 00:41:45,226 --> 00:41:47,946 Speaker 1: seen a big jump from last year to this year. 835 00:41:48,186 --> 00:41:50,826 Speaker 1: He's willing his team to wins. He can run, he 836 00:41:50,826 --> 00:41:53,066 Speaker 1: can protect the footbably can make every throw on the 837 00:41:53,066 --> 00:41:56,066 Speaker 1: football field. To me, that's my number one quarterback. Okay, 838 00:41:56,106 --> 00:41:59,266 Speaker 1: so I said, I'll tell you this. I don't know 839 00:41:59,426 --> 00:42:02,066 Speaker 1: if I've seen a I don't want to say more 840 00:42:02,066 --> 00:42:04,866 Speaker 1: talented because that's not fair, but a better pro prospect 841 00:42:04,906 --> 00:42:08,586 Speaker 1: at the quarterbacks the Caleb blames oh Man and he's 842 00:42:08,626 --> 00:42:16,066 Speaker 1: not even knowledgeable yet. I know, yeah, Bro, I could 843 00:42:16,066 --> 00:42:18,066 Speaker 1: make a case for him when it has been this year. Yeah, 844 00:42:18,066 --> 00:42:22,906 Speaker 1: I think that's going to happen. Always appreciate you guys 845 00:42:22,986 --> 00:42:24,626 Speaker 1: checking us out, and I know I always throw this 846 00:42:24,706 --> 00:42:26,626 Speaker 1: out there. He got a question, don't know who to ask. 847 00:42:27,026 --> 00:42:29,026 Speaker 1: It's me and m Rob. Shoot me a d M. 848 00:42:29,266 --> 00:42:31,426 Speaker 1: We'll make it into a podcast. But why is it 849 00:42:31,586 --> 00:42:34,426 Speaker 1: so hard to draft the right quarterback? Hopefully we gave 850 00:42:34,426 --> 00:42:36,786 Speaker 1: you those answers. Always appreciate you guys listening to the 851 00:42:36,906 --> 00:42:37,906 Speaker 1: NFL explain pot