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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with her radio. Hey, guys, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.

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Speaker 1: Ben is out this week, So that means I have

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Speaker 1: a co host. Let me give you some hints. Okay,

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Speaker 1: she's blonde, she has blue eyes, she has made two

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Speaker 1: appearances on the Bachelor franchise, and she has a twin. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you have you have five seconds to guess who it is.

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Speaker 1: Until they introduced themselves one, two, three, four five, who

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Speaker 1: are you? Mystery co host? Well, I was thinking that

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Speaker 1: everyone's going to think it was the other twins, but Kendall,

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Speaker 1: my goodness, look at how shady I was there. That

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Speaker 1: was that wasn't even on purpose, and yet it could apply.

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Speaker 1: I guess it couldn't really apply to them because I

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Speaker 1: think they've done three seasons. I think the twins came

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Speaker 1: together are on two seasons of Paradise and one of

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Speaker 1: which they were kind of annoyed because they went in

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Speaker 1: on the last week. That would be it's always difficult

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Speaker 1: to go in the last week. I feel, oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: for sure. For well, we're going to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about paradise in a second. But you know, I have

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Speaker 1: to build to that. So Kendall. What have you been

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Speaker 1: up to since the last time we talked to you?

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Speaker 1: You had a book come out. It was Man, has

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Speaker 1: that book almost been out for a year oday? Just Curious?

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Speaker 1: A Notebook of Questions? Yes, that's actually really insane. Don't

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Speaker 1: even think about it. It's my author anniversary coming up,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's coming up in launch in November.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I was totally off. Okay, so you've been

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Speaker 1: up talking about like I was in production, I think

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Speaker 1: of actually making it happen. So so there you go.

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Speaker 1: You've been an official author for six months. You came

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Speaker 1: out with a book called Just Curious, A Notebook of Questions,

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Speaker 1: which is so fun. I love a bunch of random,

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Speaker 1: thought provoking questions to ask at a dinner with people

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Speaker 1: that you like have dinner with all the time, like

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Speaker 1: with your family or like your best friends. You're like, man, like,

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Speaker 1: what should we talk about? That is different? And like

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Speaker 1: this book can do it so well. So you want

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Speaker 1: to ask a question or two to start this podcast off? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that sounds fun. Let me think. Honestly, I didn't prepare

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Speaker 1: questions before, but let me think of an interesting one

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Speaker 1: that I haven't talked about yet. Because like we do

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Speaker 1: host chat and this would be like a great host chat. O.

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Speaker 1: Let me think of one. Um, like I wish I

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Speaker 1: had like a whole list of them on me right now,

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Speaker 1: so I can just like or had a book on

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Speaker 1: me right now, I can just open to a random page. Um.

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Speaker 1: But let's see one that I like asking because I

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Speaker 1: think it causes people to get a little bit uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: depending on your vulnerability. But I love asking when was

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Speaker 1: the last time you cried? Oh? Well, look at that.

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Speaker 1: It's a very appropriate question for me. Yes, um, okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's good that I can't really think about it. That

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Speaker 1: happy to Okay. Well, I mean last night I got

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Speaker 1: verge of tears because Maria Manuns his mom died. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just like I've always been a fan of Maria.

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Speaker 1: been following her mom's journey and her mom has had

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Speaker 1: up in advanced brain tumor. I think reading rediagnosed about

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Speaker 1: six months ago, and she passed away yesterday. And I

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Speaker 1: had like all that heavy heart and like the closed

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Speaker 1: but that's kind of like the last time I felt

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Speaker 1: So that makes very much sense for me. What about you,

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Speaker 1: that's that's heartbreaking? But for me it was I had

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Speaker 1: something random, and I cried. Then. I feel like I

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Speaker 1: it's the opposite for me, which is well, really good.

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Speaker 1: But that probably just means that I cry an appropriate

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Speaker 1: average day in the Kendall life. Um, well, right now

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Speaker 1: not me my friend. Yeah, so I'm here for emotional

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Speaker 1: I hang out with Pistachio. He makes me up at

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Speaker 1: That's great news. Is there anything from your relationship with

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Speaker 1: So I don't think that's something that I want to have.

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Speaker 1: level until a lot later. So I would like to

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00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: see maybe some men shine more like the ones that

428
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: she actually has genuine connections with, Like maybe even like

429
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: there's like five for a couple of weeks, Like, I

430
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: don't know. I just think that'd be really fun. I

431
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: think that would be so good. People will get so

432
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: attached to those characters, and it's those kind of bonds

433
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: that the audience develops that makes us live for Monday Nights.

434
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 1: And I felt like I got that litatious season. Yeah,

435
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: like multiple one on one days, you know, Yes, I

436
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: think that would be so rewarding. Um, And I think

437
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: it's just show so much more of their personality and again, like,

438
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: like you said, like there's just so much more investment

439
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: in those relationships. Yes, yes, yes, the heartbreaks would be

440
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 1: that much more devastating, which is horrible for the men

441
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: but very good TV for us. At least one good

442
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: heartbreak in your life, you know, I agree. Yeah, I

443
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: love heartbreak. It's like hurt me, dang it. Yes, but no,

444
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: like can wait, Yes, but no, there is beauty in

445
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: the heartbreak and you don't really notice it or appreciate

446
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: it until you, I think, are happy with somebody else,

447
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: and then you can look back on heartbreak fondly, which

448
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: is bizarre, but that's the way it was for me. No,

449
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: I agree with that. But then also I feel like

450
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: you're allowing yourself to feel so strongly for somebody, and

451
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: that's cool to know that your kids getting there, you know,

452
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: Like my recent heart like recent heartbreaks that I've had,

453
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, it's just so cool that I

454
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: was able to love someone that intensely. And I mean,

455
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: hopefully there's someone in the future. But but yeah, you

456
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: know you're right, like initially, right off, right after a heartbreak,

457
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: it's like this is the worst everyone. I hate it

458
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: all right, Let's get back to some Katie headlines. There.

459
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: Katie posted to Instagram for the first time she was

460
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: She was talking about how she got her vaccine. She

461
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: also joked this week about her family searching for a

462
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: ring after the Utchlorette's season wrapped. I guess her family

463
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: because she says, my family, this is my family searching

464
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: for a ring. Um, she was, Yeah, I guess the

465
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: family is just joking about, like, you know, like does

466
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: she have it on her or anything like that because

467
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: she doesn't get to go home with the ring. Wasn't

468
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: it Tasia that lost her ring in the sand or something?

469
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: What I don't remember. This wasn't there, Oh, never mind?

470
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: Was that somebody else It was like a different reality

471
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: show or something or someone like lost their engagement ring

472
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: in the sand and they were like ever gone hands

473
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: and me searching for it? Never mind. No, I think

474
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: her family is just like, oh, you engaged? Are you engaged?

475
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: And then they were trying to find the ring. Can't

476
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: find the ring because guess what's not it's not in

477
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: her hands? Yeah, okay, I see, I see, like as

478
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: if like, oh, it's in her luggage or something. But yeah,

479
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: and the first engagement off of the show in a

480
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: couple of seasons if she does end up getting engaged,

481
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: right or maybe there is because well Tasia got engaged

482
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: and so to Clare. So oh, never mind, I'm up

483
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: to date with this stuff. It's okay, it's okay. It

484
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: seems like a long time ago. So Caitlin Bristow got

485
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: on her podcast this week and she said that being

486
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: part of Katie There since season actually brought up some trauma.

487
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: So she got on her podcast and she said a

488
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: lot of people are asking how I'm feeling. They know

489
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: I took a social media break for a couple of days.

490
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: I was very overwhelmed. I think it was such a

491
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: perfect storm in a breeding ground for an anxiety or

492
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: anxiety because I was truly back in the world of

493
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm happy to be part of this bachelor show,

494
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: but I didn't realize how much, and it brought up

495
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: some either trauma or anxiety that I may not have

496
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: dealt with as much as I thought I had. She

497
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: doesn't share specifics, but she did she did say, my

498
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: hormones are out of control. I'm in New Mexico, where

499
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: I swear the altitude, in the dryness and the hotel

500
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: food was just getting to me. I mean, yeah, I

501
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: can imagine that whenever you step foot, like I've been

502
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: to the Bachelor Manage in a couple of times, really

503
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: only have fond memories there, but like going back to paradise,

504
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: just like being at the same location where so many

505
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: feelings unfolded and being with a lot of the same

506
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: producers who you confided in during those moments bring up

507
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: so much in nostalgia and if you can just place

508
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: yourself right back to where you were, it's kind of wild.

509
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how that would have been for her,

510
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: A little time capsule of emotions I can imagine, like

511
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: with every because I feel like there's those certain stages

512
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: of getting to know somebody and then having to battle

513
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: between maybe loving more than one person and then getting engaged.

514
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: Like I can see that bringing up a lot for her,

515
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: And then you kind of start thinking about people of

516
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: your past too. You start thinking about like the guys

517
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: you dumped, and like, what how would have life would

518
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: have gone that way if I ended up with that person?

519
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: And and for Caitlin, it was probably kind of weird

520
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: because like when she thinks of that experience, she probably

521
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: thinks of Sean. You know, she met she met Jason

522
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: through the Bachelor, you know, family, but that experience is

523
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: all about Sean, so she probably ended up thinking about

524
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: that relationship a lot, and and that can always make

525
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: you feel all sorts of weird. M h. It's like

526
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 1: you have to kind of go through the break up

527
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: again or go through the happy times and then the

528
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: devastating times as well. Yeah, but Caitlin also said on

529
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: Good Morning America this week that it's going to be

530
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: really fun. Tasia and her had a really really fun

531
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: time being there. They love Katie. She said, I'm definitely

532
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: not going to say much because I don't want to

533
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: get in trouble, but I can say it might be Oh,

534
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: she says, maybe I can say it's it's the most

535
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: dramatic season yet. Come on, now, come on now, I

536
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: don't know. We've gone through so many dramatic seasons. I

537
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: actually can't even think of a spin. This is drama

538
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: in general. I can always picture maybe the spin of

539
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: having guys that could be dramatic. That's a great spin,

540
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 1: but it actually feels less dramatic. It feels like they

541
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: would just be more love and less fights amongst I

542
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe that would lead to more fights because

543
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: then the guys would have such a deeper connection with her.

544
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: Who the heck knows. Yeah, well, there's gonna be drama regardless.

545
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: That's Did you see Caitlin reunite with her dogs though

546
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: after coming back from the Bachelorette? Oh my gosh, I

547
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: can disimagine because she's so so close to them that

548
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: it was I haven't I haven't seen the video. I

549
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: know that they're super close, but she we should not

550
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: allowed to have them on this show because I know

551
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: that a lot of people bring their dogs. Yeah, so

552
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: she had her dogs there for a while with Jason.

553
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: I think that they were there half the time, and

554
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: then she she had she had been alone half the time.

555
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: And I think that they're kind of like her emotional

556
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: support animals, So I'm assuming that would have been hard

557
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: with them gone as well. Uh kind of What the

558
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: heck did you think last week when Chris Harrison and

559
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: Lauren's Ema posted that picture of her in the white

560
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: dress in black and white, Oh you didn't see it.

561
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: I saw that he posted a picture of her like

562
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: an appreciation post, and he was like more lovey Debbie

563
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: than I've seen him. Oh, I it was very sweet.

564
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: I was calling everyone saying, Chris and Lauren got married.

565
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't know why I was so convinced this, but

566
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: I was not alone. There were a lot of people

567
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: speculating that they had gotten married in Texas. It was

568
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: a black and white picture. Okay, he's in a suit.

569
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: She is wearing an elegant floor length gown. It looks white.

570
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: It probably wasn't white because you find out that she

571
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: was actually a bridesmaid. The caption read, I'd stop the

572
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: world and met with you at Laurence. Okay, yeah, yeah,

573
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: I saw that. I was thinking. I did think initially, oh,

574
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: what's your proposal or something. It was like a highlight

575
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: of like, this is serious. Looking at it. I thought

576
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: they eloped, and I thought it was very romantic, but

577
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: that but they did not do that. She said wow,

578
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: Like wait she Laurence said, I love you so much

579
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: and appreciate all the congrats, but this bridesmaid's dress is

580
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: really living above its potential. So they were actually just

581
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: dates at one of her friend's weddings. Um, but maybe

582
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: one day they will have a wedding of their Okay,

583
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: I love the relationship. Yeah, me too. They're very sweet together. Okay, So,

584
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: speaking of weddings, potential weddings, Claire Crawley, guys, is wearing

585
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: her engagement ring from Dale Moss again. She posted something

586
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: and story and she's sipping out of a juice box

587
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: and she's got her ring on her. Is that her

588
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: left finger? I think, like in reverse? Is that her

589
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: left finger? I'm trying to look at the picture right now, yeah,

590
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: because it does flip. Okay, so guys, I think it's

591
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: on the left finger. I did. I saw that and

592
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a really pretty like screen group.

593
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: It is yea good for them. That is so so happy.

594
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: We'll talk about this one a little bit later with Devon.

595
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: But Rachel Lindsay announces that she's leaving the Happy Hour podcast,

596
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: so we'll talk to you guys about that in a

597
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: little bit. That doesn't mean the podcast is over. She says,

598
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 1: this podcast is amazing. Hands with you, Becca, I just

599
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: feel like this is a place where I can walk

600
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: away and I know it's all good. I know it's

601
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: going to be great, and you allow me to have

602
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: the space to step away when I need to. And

603
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: I would listen to the podcast on the side, and

604
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, she's got this. I can walk away,

605
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: so I will be supporting you back back up from

606
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: a distance. Rachel is also writing her own It's It's Her,

607
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: a book is coming out. It's She says that it's

608
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: a it's a personal essay themed book. So what does

609
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: that mean? A personal essay themed book? I think it's well,

610
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: ones that I've read are there just a bunch of

611
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: different topics. It's almost like a bunch of little mini

612
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: books book like little diary entries, but they don't have

613
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: like a flow to the topic the themes. Yes, yeah,

614
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: so maybe there could be like one big central theme

615
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: and a bunch of different stories that make up that theme.

616
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say they're all like one book. Okay, gotcha?

617
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: So her book is going be called miss Me with That?

618
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: And seriously, like, could Rachel Lindsay conquer more in this world?

619
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: Like her? And her resume is amazing, she tweeted she

620
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: Instagram this week. I've been waiting to share this so

621
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: thrilled to finally be able to tell y'all what I've

622
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: been working. I've I've been working on my first book,

623
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: Miss Me with That, a collection of personal essays, and

624
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: we got a while to wait on this one. It

625
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: comes out January two, she said, I can't wait for

626
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: it to be in your hands. Y'all know I won't

627
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: hold back. I'm telling my story, sharing my experiences and

628
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: opening my heart. I don't have time for that, I Kendall,

629
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this multiple times. I mind boggled

630
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: by how hard this woman works and how like she

631
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: must sleep four hours a night for with all the

632
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: jobs that she has. Bravo, She's She's incredible. Let's go

633
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: into some new couples was the question Mark News. Cassie

634
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: Randolph was seen with boyfriend over the weekend. Okay, so

635
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: it's a rumored boyfriend. His his name is Brighton rhyin

636
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: hert and he. She and him were responded on Sunday

637
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: in Huntington Beach, her hometown, and um, he looks cute.

638
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: She looks cute. I got nothing much more to say

639
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: about that, but I hope that Cassie is happy with

640
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: this new boy. Yeah. I think it's probably difficult to

641
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: hear all the news with Colton as well, like that,

642
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: with a new relationship with a bunch of things. Yes,

643
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: let's do a little Google search of this brighton rhyin hard.

644
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: Do we think that he's like a celebrity? Is he

645
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: like in the Hollywood realm, like her sister's boyfriend, or

646
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: could he be just a regular old dude? He looks

647
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: he just looks familiar. I'm looking. I think this is

648
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: Is this his instagram or maybe this is a fan Instagram?

649
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: You never know what. I think there is a fan.

650
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: There's a picture to them together. It's not from either

651
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: their instagrams. But okay, so he's a musician. He's a producer,

652
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: slash singer, songwriter. He also seems to be a Wilhelmina model.

653
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: He has a song out, Part of that World, Part

654
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: of that World, Cassie, this is wow. This is a

655
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: little bit breaking news. Thirty four minutes ago this came

656
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: out and we got source quotes. Now, okay, the source

657
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: says she's really happy and she's definitely moved on with

658
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: her life. They were in Cosmel, Mexico together in April. Well,

659
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: it looks like there's a new relationship. Then good for her, wonderful.

660
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: That's very happy. That's very happy news. All right. Now

661
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: there's one that may not make many other girls who

662
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: are part of the Bachelor franchise and possibly headed to

663
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: Paradise very happy. Uh, there's a picture of Mike Johnson

664
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: and Abigail getting co z they were both in New

665
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: York City this weekend. And wow, in this picture, guys,

666
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: Mike kind of has his hand through Abigail's hair, He's

667
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: got his nose nuzzled up to her cheek ear area.

668
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: He's whispering a little secret or something. Where did this

669
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: photo come from? Somebody's story? Okay, yeah, somebody's insto story

670
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: and they screenshot this, so neither of them posted it.

671
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: My question here is this, do they are they going

672
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: to date now or are they getting ready to date

673
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: in Paradise and they're already coupled off. I'm not sure

674
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: because I think there were like a couple of rumors

675
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: of whom he was potentially going to date, or I

676
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: know that Piper was really interested in him as well.

677
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: I heard I heard her saying that he was her

678
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: crush um, and then they all did hang out in

679
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: New York. But man, I'm so curious. I Mean, what's

680
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: interesting is that because there's been so much time between,

681
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: there's many people who would potentially be on Paradise A

682
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: lot of pastcast. There's been so many rumors with a

683
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: lot of different people, like Bennett apparently asked Kelly. We

684
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: he he broke that news right here on the podcast.

685
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: Oh oh my gosh. Yeah. Basically, you know, he said

686
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: he asked Peter for permission to date Kelly, and it's like, well,

687
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: you know, cow about Kelly gives you her own permission. However,

688
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: I think maybe he used the wrong word there. He

689
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: basically just said, like, Peter, would I be ruffling your feathers?

690
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: I think if I were to ask Kelly out, Because

691
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: Bennett also made it seem as if he and Kelly

692
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: have already been flirting through the d M. That's what

693
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: I thought when I initially heard that, But then I

694
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: heard he went on a date with k No, he

695
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: didn't go on Nope. He he debunked that right here.

696
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: He said that they just met his friends. He really

697
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: feels like their age differences too significant. But so it's

698
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: just so interesting to see that there's everyone's hanging out.

699
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: I've seen people you know in um hery Hanut of Florida,

700
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: New York, like everywhere San Diego, so it's interesting to

701
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: see that much of a crossover. Then there hasn't been

702
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: a season of Paradise. I bet you there's gonna be

703
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: like similar, you know how Blake, Yeah, it's gonna be

704
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: to happen again, so many Blake's yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.

705
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: I could just already tell. I could already tell. That's

706
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: another the reason why I don't want to go on

707
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: right now. You know what they should do? Oh my god. Okay,

708
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: this is what we actually thought was going to happen

709
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: at the beginning of My Paradise season, because they had

710
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: us to come together for Lacey and Marcus fake wedding,

711
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: and we thought that they were about to do this,

712
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: And man, why aren't I a Bachelor producer? What if

713
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: there were two realms, two beaches in which there was

714
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: like twenty people here, and then there was twenty people there,

715
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: and then you have them date amongst their twenty people

716
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: for like two to three weeks, and then all of

717
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: a sudden, you have them walk on the beach and

718
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: they walk and they meet each other, the two groups,

719
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: and everything crashes and collides. Oh my god, let's do it.

720
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: That could happen. I mean, because there's so many people,

721
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a surprise to maybe have more characters

722
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: on the show like that more people I know, So

723
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: then we could do like Monday and Tuesday Beach number one,

724
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: and then on Wednesday and Thursday nights we have Beach

725
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: number two, and then midway through the season they collide

726
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: and we just do Monday and Tuesday nights. I'm exciting

727
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: myself with just my hypotheticals. I like that idea. Well,

728
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: we got one last headline and it is a breakup,

729
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: which makes me think, is this person going to be

730
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: a paradise Maddie Maddie pruittt She says she's single again

731
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: after a recent breakup. Says she recently just got out

732
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: of a eight month relationship. I was in a relationship

733
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: for about eight months, she says. Quote she never admitted

734
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: that in the past, she said, but it just didn't

735
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: work out. It just wasn't the right time. Who knows

736
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: what the future holds. She says that she has been

737
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: on a few dates since the split. We have never

738
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: gotten real confirmation, but it is rumored that the guy

739
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: that she broke up with was Denver Nuggets player Michael

740
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: Porter Jr. So do you see Maddie in Paradise now

741
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 1: or Nah? I'm not sure after her experience on the show,

742
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: she wants to go on another show. Yeah, But at

743
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: the same time, maybe they just had more to do

744
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: with Peter in the whole situation with that and how

745
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: that went down. But I don't know. I think she's

746
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: doing just fine finding love without being on Bachelor. At

747
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: the same time, it could give her another chance to opportunities. Yeah,

748
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: And also Paradise is such a completely different experience than

749
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: being on Bachelor Bachelorette. It's just a completely different show. Yeah,

750
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: so I can see that being it's very tempting. I

751
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: can see it counting for her for sure. I mean,

752
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: do we get Peter on Paradise and like really mess

753
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: this thing up? No, not allowed. No, let's put Peter

754
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: and Hannah and and Maddie all there together. Oh my gosh,

755
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: it's it's it's there's been so many people dating. It's

756
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: very like incestuous in a sense, like everyone dates everybody.

757
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: So I can see a lot of clashing happening. There

758
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: a lot different storylines. Yeah, and like I know, you guys,

759
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: we really don't get paid anything to go to Paradise,

760
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, It's it's like a per damn type of situation. Yeah,

761
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: but please, producers pays people. They get all the juicy

762
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: juicy nous on TV. That would be worth the paycheck.

763
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: Do you know? It's so funny because there's so much

764
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: that there's so much that happens off camera. So I

765
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: feel like we all have to be caught up with

766
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: Paradise and like, you know, the inner workings, all the

767
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: secret relationships that have been happening that way that seems

768
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: to always happen every year. You know, people can't help themselves.

769
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: No they can't. But like I made it a rule

770
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: for myself because I'm not going to date anyone anyone

771
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: a Bachelor Nation before I went as supposed not doing it.

772
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: Very smart, very smart. I think it's the best way

773
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: to do it, you know, going fresh. You left with

774
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: a relationship, so that's the way to be. Yeah, you

775
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: didn't add any drama because if you go into Paradise

776
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: with a bunch of things that have happened in the past,

777
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: then you know you're going to have to handle it

778
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: like publicly, right, not something that I want to avoid. Yeah, alright, well, um,

779
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: we have gone through all our headlines and it is

780
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: time to get divon. Franklin, the author of the new

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00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: book Live Free Exceed Your Highest Expectations. On the podcast,

782
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about Matt James and Rachel. We're

783
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about Rachel, Lindsay's decision to leave her podcast,

784
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: and advice for Michelle who will be the next Black Bachelorette.

785
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: So stay tuned, But first a word from our sponsors

786
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787
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Speaker 1: If you didn't hear his episode with us a couple

788
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Speaker 1: of months back, and definitely go back in the archives

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Speaker 1: and listen to that as one of my favorite episodes.

790
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite guests. He's so full of

791
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795
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Speaker 1: of fans, including Ryan Seacrest, who calls him the self

796
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799
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Speaker 1: and now he has a new book out that is

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Speaker 1: going to be released tomorrow May fourth, if you're watching,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening to this a little delay, and it's

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00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: called Live Free Exceed Your Highest Expectations. Devon. Welcome back

803
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: to the podcast. Thank you so much for being here. Wow,

804
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. It's always a blessing to

805
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: be here. It's like coming home. So thank you. You're

806
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: the kiddest. Um. Okay, so let's start out by talking

807
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: a little bit about Matt James rekindling his relationship with

808
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: Rachel Kirkconnell. So we didn't talk to you after the finale.

809
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: It was actually, in fact a couple of weeks before

810
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: the finale that we talked to you, and so much

811
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: has gone on. People were predicting whether or not they

812
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: would be together, and then on after the Final Rows

813
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: it seems like they would never be together, and now

814
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: it was like four weeks later they're spotted in New

815
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: York City together. I was saying to Kendall earlier in

816
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: the podcast, I was like, I'm kind of second guessing

817
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: his authenticity during after the Final Rose because he seems

818
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: so turned off by her. What is your take on

819
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: off this? Oh boy, so much all the time you

820
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: need you know, here's here's the what. Here's what I

821
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: saw when I watched the you know after the Final

822
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: Rows episode. First and foremost, um I saw, and this

823
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: is gonna sound harsh, uh, media company malpractice because they

824
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: they knew this information was they had it, they didn't

825
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: do anything about it. And who paid the price for it?

826
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: Not Rachel but Matt the first black Bachelor having to

827
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: grapple and deal with what does that mean? And then

828
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: having information that the company withheld that could have been

829
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: nipped in the butt. She could have never been a

830
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: content ever if they thought, hey, you know what's in

831
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: her past? Or he could have been he could have

832
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: been made aware like hey, we normally would never do this,

833
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: but you need to know this because we don't want

834
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: you to be blindside it. There's so many things that

835
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: could have been done, but here he was deer in headlights,

836
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: having to grapple with all of it and then do

837
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: it in the public. So what I saw was a

838
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: man And what it would would deeply moved me was

839
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: like when you saw the promo for The Bachelor when

840
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: he started clean shaven, had the like, oh man, and

841
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: on that show he was a shell of who he

842
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: was when he started in terms of his public presentation,

843
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: I said that there was symbolism to the beard, oh,

844
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: without a doubt, And now you know, the beard is

845
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: gone and and he's you know, seemingly rekindling the relationship.

846
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: But so so, what I saw was someone who unfairly

847
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: was put in a situation that they then had to

848
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: deal with. And I think that he probably felt, you know,

849
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: I even talked to man, I don't know men, So

850
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, uh, extrapolating here. He probably felt like,

851
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: I haven't I have no other choice right now than

852
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: to take this stand. Like if I don't take this stand,

853
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: am I really being you know? Am I being honest

854
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: to myself? Am I being true to what it means,

855
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, to be a black man? And like it's

856
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: like there was no win. So I understood the idea

857
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: of like, hey, you know what, I'm gonna check out

858
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: of this and wait, So it's not I didn't look

859
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: at him as someone who's whose opinion you can't trust,

860
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: per se. I just saw someone who was put in

861
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: a situation that he should have never been put in,

862
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: and there was no guidance on how to do it.

863
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: So the best thing he could do was just protect himself.

864
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: All I can do is protect, and the best way

865
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 1: to what do we do when we protect? We retreat?

866
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: You know what I gotta I gotta protect me. Now.

867
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: With hearing that he that they were rekindling, I'll be

868
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: honest with you, I was very happy about that. And

869
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: you know what, I was happy about it because no

870
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: matter what, all the factors be them as they may,

871
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: and you know, all the things that shouldn't have happened,

872
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: they seemed to genuinely have a real connection and in

873
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: my mind, she seemed to genuinely seem remorseful for what happened. So,

874
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: in any relationship, this is any relationship, to what degree

875
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: are you going to hold the past of the person

876
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: you're dating or you are falling in love with against them?

877
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there was Well if this sounds

878
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: like an obvious question, but I'll ask it anyway. Do

879
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: you feel like his decision there on that stage next

880
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: to Rachel where you know he didn't even huggerr Or first,

881
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: So what we saw, um, there was pressure for him

882
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: to make the decision not to continue to see her. Um,

883
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think you know again, Okay, as a

884
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: as a as a black man. If I'm put in

885
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: that situation, I understand the decision, because you know, it's

886
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: like how it's a very hard thing to to go

887
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: out in front of the world as a black man

888
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: and and accept publicly what all all of the facts.

889
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: It's very hard. So, you know, if anything, maybe the

890
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: maybe the pressure was to just get out of this,

891
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: like you know what, I I just it's it's this

892
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: is blown up. It's much bigger than I know how

893
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: to deal with the best ways for me to retreat,

894
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: pull back, and get out of it. So maybe he

895
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: felt that pressure. I don't know if anyone in his

896
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: Chris crew were pressuring him. I don't know what the

897
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: pressure from the network or the producers may or may

898
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: not have been, but I could imagine there was some

899
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: pressure to just you know what this I can't know now.

900
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: And then also he did he did say that when

901
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: he brought it up to her, there was some discomfort

902
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: in her response, right, But you know, again, I'm not

903
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not making any excuses for her at all.

904
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: You know, but if you've done something that you that

905
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: you are you have no awareness of, your initial response

906
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: could be one of ignerance, like, hey, what do you

907
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: mean dad? Not really being in touch with what it

908
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: really means. So I don't know a pressure he was

909
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: under other than this is a this is a this

910
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: is beyond me, This is overwhelming. I really didn't ask

911
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: for this. This is not what I asked for when

912
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: I came on this show. There was who was protecting me? Who?

913
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that really just It's like we

914
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: all talked about media, and we all talked about what

915
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: goes on in the public, but if you look closely,

916
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: this is this is the cost. When we talk about

917
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: ratings and we talk about you know, uh, everybody just

918
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: wanting a big show, It's like, yo, we can still

919
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: do that, but who's taking care of the people? Oh?

920
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 1: So we were need to sacrifice people's lives for viewers,

921
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: for eyeballs with no no accountability. I mean seriously, again,

922
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what ABC and I don't know what

923
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: the producers are doing in their internal groups, but there's

924
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: got to be some accountability around this. This we we

925
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: we should pray he comes out of this and he's

926
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: able to navigate. That's why I'm so excited that they're

927
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: getting back together. Because if that was a genuine connection,

928
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: don't let anybody take that from you. You you go

929
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: and explore that for yourself and on your terms, you

930
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: decide if that's the right person for you, if that's

931
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: the right fit, on your terms. But there were things

932
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: that could have been done to help him along the way.

933
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: So I think you've got the pressure of getting out, like, hey,

934
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: this is over, We're done. I gotta just get out

935
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: of this the best way I can. Yeah, do you

936
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 1: feel like when he was on the stage out after

937
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: the final rose he was confused about his feelings for

938
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: Rachel or do you think it was so much more

939
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: than that with how his reaction was with everything. No,

940
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: I think he was very I mean, you know, again

941
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: again I haven't talked to the brother, but I think

942
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: he was very confused. I think, so, um, how could

943
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: you not because then, also, you know, it's like, I

944
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: have these legitimate feelings on both sides. I can't believe

945
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: she did this. I can't believe the woman I fall

946
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: in love with has done that, And then what does

947
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: that mean? You know? So, yeah, I think he was

948
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: legitimately confused trying to sort it all out, having to

949
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: do it in front of the public. Everybody's watching what

950
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: there's there. If he had stayed with her, he'd have

951
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: been vilified. Leaving he was, you know, there was no

952
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: win and and very little support and protection to ensure

953
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: that what needed to be factored in was factored in,

954
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: which was really how he was feeling and how she

955
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: was feeling, and making sure that they both had enough

956
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: information to gauge whether or not that was a real

957
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: feeling or just something that was produced. On that note,

958
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: Michelle will be the next Black Bachelorette this fall, So

959
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: do you have any advice for her or the franchise

960
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: and that time comes. You know, again, I'm not I'm

961
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: not as super I'm not well versed in how it

962
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: all works behind the scenes. I mean, you know, you

963
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: all have a much better idea about that. But if

964
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: I were her, I would have a very candid conversation

965
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: with the producers, with the network, whoever the liaisons are,

966
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: and say, hey, here, let's get some ground rules. If

967
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: there's anything in anyone's background that is racist, pracchased against

968
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: anyone or anybody, if you and you're going to keep

969
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: them as a contestant of the show, I need to

970
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: know period in the story like I'm not gonna go

971
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: through a process, and then all of a sudden like

972
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, you all do a background checks anything

973
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: that is going to be that. I need protection as

974
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: a black woman. I need that information because I'm not

975
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: going to go through what you all put math through,

976
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: right and also you can't afford for me to go

977
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: through it, because if if I go through it, you

978
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: may not have a franchise anymore. It's it's still it's

979
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: still t v D. What's gonna happen with this franchise.

980
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: It's not out of the woods. Okay, it's still t

981
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: b D. So if I was Michelle, I would sit

982
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: down and get really clear about what I need. I

983
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: need more transparency, I need more protection and and I

984
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: need to not just be looked at as a contestant.

985
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm a person, this is this is I'm I'm a

986
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: had heart. I had a heart of emotions, right is

987
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: It's real for me. I know it's a show for you,

988
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: but this is real for me, and I need some

989
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: some help and some guidance in that way. Um and

990
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: I'll you know, look again, you're asking me, I would

991
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: she I would say, hey, who who? Who? Of color?

992
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: Do I have here as a support system on on

993
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: the production side that can help me if I if

994
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: I have some problems. Yeah, it is such a very

995
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: it's a very real show, and I think a lot

996
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: of people do site that these are real people experiencing

997
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: real love, a lot of emotion. Um, what do you

998
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: think needs to happen next for the franchise? And again,

999
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound crazy. Okay, y'all ask me. You

1000
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: asked me the questions. I'm just gonna answer, man, honestly,

1001
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: I think you gotta bring Chris back, Okay. And why why?

1002
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: Because if if this is the end of Chris, it

1003
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: is it's let me put it this way, all of

1004
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: us have been on the job and done something that

1005
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: did not always represent the type of employee we've been,

1006
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: all of us. You know, when I was an executive

1007
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: for Sony, you know, I made a few mistakes in

1008
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: terms of how I handled a project and handled some people.

1009
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: They didn't throw me out. They said, we know your capability.

1010
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: We're just gonna take this as a mistake. But if

1011
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: you do it again, it's gonna be a problem. But

1012
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: take this as a warning. Okay. God, I got the

1013
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: memo and I got back in there, and you know,

1014
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: my whole career has thrived since then. So when you

1015
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 1: have someone who's been as loyal, as dedicated, as into

1016
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: into integral to the show, if that was the last

1017
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: we saw of him, it just leaves such a bad

1018
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: taste in the mouth of of all of us, and

1019
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: I say us being a part of Bachelor Nation. It's

1020
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: like he said what he said was wrong. There's no

1021
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: excuse for it. He has said that he's continuing to

1022
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: to do his work. Um, he's continuing to be remorseful

1023
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: and he I believe it is old a shot to

1024
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: get it right, because then when you go back and

1025
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: you say, well, what did he what did he do

1026
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: that that that made him get fire from the franchise, Like,

1027
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: he didn't he he was not unkind, he was not,

1028
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, a terrible person to work with. He was

1029
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: he didn't violate any ethics in that regard. I understand

1030
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: that what he said was wrong, but when you talk

1031
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: about losing your job, I think that he deserves a

1032
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: chance to be brought back and let the public decide

1033
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: if he is coming back and he's doing his work,

1034
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: let the numbers say to tell the story. But I

1035
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: personally feel that if you get rid of Chris over

1036
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: what happened, it's it's it's I don't know something about

1037
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't sit right with me. Do you find that

1038
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: he can be integrated back into the show just right

1039
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: off into Paradise or should there be another type of

1040
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: interview with him. I don't think he can be integrated

1041
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: back into well, you know, honestly, Paradise is probably the

1042
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: perfect integration form because it's a little more fun. Uh,

1043
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: it's a little more carefree, you know, it's not there

1044
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: isn't as much attention on Paradise from a media standpoint

1045
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: as there as there is on The Bachelor and The Bachelorette,

1046
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: So Paradise could actually be a great way to see

1047
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: what the public is saying about you know, him as

1048
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: a host and whatnot. And maybe this idea of of

1049
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, having you know, female hosts that you he

1050
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: does it with someone else, you know, where where it's

1051
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: not all on him, but there's someone else there, you know,

1052
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: having a woman there that can you know, help carry

1053
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: the load. And you know, and also that's probably what

1054
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: what what should be any way, you know, Um, you know,

1055
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: I just think that balance is a is a good thing,

1056
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: and I think it's good for the for the franchise.

1057
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: So I actually think easing him in back on the

1058
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: Paradise might be a good move. Last question about Chris.

1059
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: I just want to know if you've talked to him recently,

1060
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: because I know that you were in communication with him

1061
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: back when we spoke in February. Yeah, we um communicated,

1062
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, right around um uh we communicated all through

1063
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: that moment and you know, and and after that that

1064
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: the final Rows show. You know, I just checked in.

1065
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: I want to say, hey, man, how you doing? He said,

1066
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm hanging there and doing well. Um. So

1067
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: we haven't talked since then. UM, but I did connect him,

1068
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, with some resources that he was taking advantage

1069
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: of and really committing to the work. So that's why,

1070
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, I can tell you personally stuff that's not

1071
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: even in the public type of work that he has

1072
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: committed to and the work that he's doing. Um So

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01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, yeah, I should probably reach out

1074
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: to him and say, hey man, what's up, bro, Just

1075
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: just checking on and make sure you're good, you know.

1076
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: Uh So I'm gonna do that now that you mentioned

1077
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: everyone was saying that the show is so different with

1078
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: with Chris not being there, and he always was such

1079
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: an advisor of sources for the men on the show.

1080
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: So I do like the idea of having Chris and

1081
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: maybe another female host to have that balance because he

1082
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: has so much experience with bringing people through the journey

1083
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: that is the Bachelor totally, and and and you know,

1084
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: and what he knows and in his ability to just

1085
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: ground the proceedings, uh, is valuable. It's a valuable thing. Um,

1086
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: you know again, I just I don't know, I mean,

1087
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: you know again, I know my opinion could be very

1088
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: unpopular as it relates to this, but I just feel

1089
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: like he he needs another shot and and and he's

1090
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: and I frankly, I think he's earned it. I mean,

1091
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: my goodness, you know he's been I've been doing it

1092
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: for so long. And and even if there was a plan,

1093
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: let's say the network said, hey, Chris, we're gonna have

1094
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: to move on. Let's just say that that was their decision.

1095
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: Give that make that a process, you know, like Okay, hey,

1096
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna have you on Bachelor Paradise. We're gonna do this,

1097
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: and then you know, on the next thing, we're gonna

1098
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, phasee you out and let this host but

1099
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is, but let's let there, let them.

1100
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: Let there be a little bit more elegant way to

1101
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,919
Speaker 1: handle this than just to say, Okay, no, Chris never

1102
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 1: returned and see you all later. Yeah, now that Chris

1103
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: isn't on Bachelorette, do you think the Ears are going

1104
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: to have a completely different experience the Bachelorette? Theirs? Totally.

1105
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean. The thing about Chris though, is it's like

1106
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: when you it's almost like you know, when you're a

1107
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: camp and you never know when your parents gonna show up,

1108
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, so when the parents going like a man, listen,

1109
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: we christained to, everybody's gonna be wild. And don't you know,

1110
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Bachelor's gone wild. That's probably what's

1111
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: gonna happen. So I can't wait to see how it

1112
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: all works out without him being there and without his presence, um,

1113
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, being a presence in the in the show.

1114
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: So we have so many contestants coming up fighting for

1115
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: spots in paradise. Do you think that your book, your

1116
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: new book, Live Free, could help them when it comes

1117
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: to fear and anxiety around finding love? Oh, without a doubt, household,

1118
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: because you know, this book is all about one uh

1119
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: living free. And when I say living free, it means

1120
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: that you I we are not under the mental, emotional,

1121
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: or physical control of anyone or anything. And the way

1122
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: that we become free is to set expectations for ourselves.

1123
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: We don't allow anyone outside of us, the people we love,

1124
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: the culture, we don't allow our gender, we don't allow

1125
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: our race to set the expectations that we live by.

1126
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: We set those expectations. So when you talk about you know,

1127
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: the contestants start to find love and being single first

1128
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: and foremost, And I talked about this in the book.

1129
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: There's a whole section in this book on relationships. There's

1130
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: multiple chapters on relationships, on being single and how to

1131
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: manage our expectations first and foremost. If you are single,

1132
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: it's because you are whole. There is nothing wrong with

1133
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: you as a single person. And if you are not

1134
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: cultivating and practicing your happiness now as someone who is single,

1135
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: I guarantee you when you get in your relationship, you

1136
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be happy. Why because if you're looking to,

1137
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, to become a contestant on the Bachelor and

1138
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: and being Bachelor in paradise. Oh, because I want to

1139
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: find love? Well, have you found love first in yourself?

1140
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: Because if you do not look in the mirror or

1141
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: when you take a selfie, if you don't love that reflection,

1142
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: you then become open to manipulation. How because you're gonna

1143
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: want somebody to do something for you that you're not

1144
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: doing for yourself. And then it's like you learned this idea, Oh,

1145
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: this person makes me happy. I think that is the

1146
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: craziest statement ever. Why because the moment I say I'm

1147
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: you make me happy, make means create. So I'm giving

1148
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: you the ability to create what I should be creating

1149
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: for myself. You can contribute to my happiness, thank you,

1150
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: But I am the creator of my happiness. And so

1151
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: if somebody is trying to be a contestant, the way

1152
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: to do it is through confidence of self. You know

1153
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: who you are. You are great with what you have

1154
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: to offer. And the more you learn to love yourself,

1155
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: and the more you at least the power of your singleness,

1156
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: you're going to be a better evaluate or of the

1157
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,919
Speaker 1: people that try to court you or trying to date you,

1158
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: because you're gonna be like, now, you don't actually love you,

1159
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: You don't love you. And if you don't love you,

1160
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: a no way you're gonna even learn how to love me.

1161
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna move on, right. So there's so much

1162
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: knowledge in this book that absolutely would help somebody. I think,

1163
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, not only just succeed in the show, but

1164
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: succeed in their love life no matter what happens on

1165
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, going on Paradise Bachelor, I think it's

1166
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: difficult not to have expectation. You know, you see everyone

1167
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: else going through it, and you're thinking that could be me.

1168
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: I couldn't find love, and you you know, you have

1169
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: an idea of maybe the Bachelor bachelrette whole in Paradise

1170
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: is going to be and you have an expectation of

1171
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: I can see myself with the person. Yeah, so what's

1172
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: your what's your advice for people going on the show, Like,

1173
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: how do you not have expectation? After it's all out there?

1174
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: You know, here's the reality. There's an expectation and it

1175
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: means a strong belief about what should happen. So what happens?

1176
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: So you gotta ask you questions in order to have

1177
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: an expectation. In the book, I talk about you have

1178
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: to learn, we have to learn the process of setting expectations.

1179
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: That comes down to two questions. One, is the expectation

1180
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: I have realistic or unrealistic? What how do I know

1181
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: what's realistic? Is it in my control? Two? Is it

1182
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: is it's spoken or unspoken? Does the expectation need to

1183
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: be communicated? So first, for the first question, let's talk

1184
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: about the show. Okay, So I have an expectation that

1185
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: this show is going to deliver love. Do I control it? No? No, no, no.

1186
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: So why is this so important? Is because listen, I'm

1187
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: not I've watched the show, so I'm not the only one.

1188
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: Millions of people see people go on you know, Bachelor

1189
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: in Paradise, Bachelor and lose their minds because they cite

1190
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: themselves into thinking that if love doesn't happen for me

1191
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: during this production, love ain't gonna happen for me. M

1192
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: It's not true. It's just it's just it's not true.

1193
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: So you go into the show not getting out of

1194
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: it what you could because you need from the show

1195
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: more than you're actually bringing to the show. Yeah, So

1196
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: when you talk about expectations, it's like the best way

1197
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: to go into the show is to have this expectation

1198
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be my best self. I'm gonna be open

1199
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: to love. I'm gonna be the love I want to receive.

1200
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna enjoy the experience, and I'm gonna let the

1201
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: result be whatever the result is. If I don't find love,

1202
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: it's not a reflection on me. If I don't find love,

1203
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: it's not becauause I'm not lovable. If I don't find love,

1204
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: it's not because I'm not valuable. I just didn't find

1205
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: him up. Okay, great, cool, Let me keep moving right.

1206
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: Let me go in for the experience. Let me let

1207
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: me let me take the expectation off outside of the

1208
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: expectation that I control is, which is how how you

1209
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: actually can go onto the show. The other thing is

1210
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:21,799
Speaker 1: this the second part of the setting expectation is critical communication. Listen,

1211
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: if I was ever on these shows, oh boy, listen, Hey,

1212
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: here's the thing. This is something y'all ask my question.

1213
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. Here's things. I think there's way

1214
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: too much kissing on these show, way too much the kissing.

1215
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: Come on, I understand, y'all, do it. I get it.

1216
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 1: I am not judging. There's the reason why I say why.

1217
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: I am correlating communication. This is this is the author

1218
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: of the weight here exactly. No. But here's the thing.

1219
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with kiss And I'm just saying, like, yo, like,

1220
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a second, hold on a second.

1221
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:01,560
Speaker 1: First of all, what what what is your intention? What?

1222
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: What's what's going on with you? Like? Who are Like?

1223
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: Before I decide don't want to kiss you, I need

1224
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: to know what's going on with you? Who are you? Who? Who?

1225
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: Here's who I am right like And here's the thing

1226
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: I do not want to to because listen, y'all, listen,

1227
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm just telling my truth. Talk about expectation. So physically,

1228
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: what happens is Oh, even with the fantasy suite, Oh

1229
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: so you know, and that was a part last season.

1230
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this, this, no, this too, it's

1231
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: too much for me. You're gonna have a fantasy suite

1232
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: with these three women. I don't know what you did.

1233
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what you didn't do. And then you

1234
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: come out of it. Oh man, Well, let's say that experience,

1235
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, let's say there was a sexual experience, and

1236
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: let's say that sexual experience wasn't exactly what you wanted.

1237
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 1: So then because it didn't meet your expectation. In a moment,

1238
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: you come out and you discard somebody actually could have

1239
01:09:55,080 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: been the right fit. My gosh, h yeah, who listen,

1240
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: who gets it right the first time? No one, No

1241
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: one especially exactly. So this is this is this is

1242
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 1: why if you know I would listen, I'd be talking.

1243
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: I'd be say, hey, what so, so you want to

1244
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: go into this sweep? What is your expectation. Let's get

1245
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: it clear now. I want to know what you're expecting

1246
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 1: to go down in there, right, because the more we communicate,

1247
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: then the more information you have to know how you

1248
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: want to navigate the situation. This book is all about

1249
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: getting the power back you can know. Okay, let's say

1250
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: you're in a situation where you know, hey, the fantasy suite,

1251
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: they tell you, hey, you know what I wanna You know,

1252
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: I want to It's about I want to have sex

1253
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: and see if that were compatible on that way. Now

1254
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: you have the information, but you have the choice that

1255
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: that's what you want to do versus not asking the question.

1256
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 1: And then you get into a city suation that maybe

1257
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: you didn't even want to necessarily do that, but because

1258
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: it's already kind of happening, and the cameras, you just

1259
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: go with it in your heart. You're like, man, I

1260
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 1: didn't really want to do that. This book and this

1261
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 1: message is all about taking the power back. I think

1262
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: your book Live Free should be required reading for everybody

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Speaker 1: that's going into Paradise and Bachelor, hands down, right, because

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Speaker 1: we get in our own heads, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like while you're in the experience, you're completely in your head.

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Speaker 1: So I think I think this book is really everyone

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Speaker 1: retired reading everybody going on the spread. Last book the

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Speaker 1: way before going to do Bachelor Winter Games, and it

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Speaker 1: was like all the words that I needed to read beforehand.

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Speaker 1: I am a member of the Church of Devon. Franklin

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Speaker 1: your shift, but like your shift after that, I'd say,

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Speaker 1: I would say you, the way you've approached Winter Games

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Speaker 1: was completely different than you had approached other, you know,

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Speaker 1: other episodes of the show. So I think it were

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Speaker 1: I told him last time. I was like, I went

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Speaker 1: from being single all my twenty nine years to reading

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Speaker 1: his book and then being engaged six months later. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's amazing. So if you ever need like one of

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Speaker 1: those things where people right on the back of your book,

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Speaker 1: A couple of quotes there's my quote for you, that

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Speaker 1: testimonial I'm coming for you. Don't worry. Thank you. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that in advance. All right, Well to all of

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Speaker 1: our friends heading to Paradise, into all our single friends

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Speaker 1: and married friends and dating friends and all all our

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Speaker 1: I think there's something in live free for everyone. Where

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Speaker 1: can they get it? Where do you want them to

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Speaker 1: get it? Besides Amazon? Um, I know they take they

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Speaker 1: take fifty percent of your book sales. I know that's

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Speaker 1: not your top choice. Oh man, Hey, they can come

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Speaker 1: to my website, Damon Frankman dot com. I got all

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Speaker 1: the retailers there and they can have their pick on

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Speaker 1: where they would live free from, so you can live

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Speaker 1: free on Devon Franklin dot com. Amazing, Devon, you are

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Speaker 1: a wonderful guest. Thank you for being here, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for having me and Kindle is great to meet you,

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Speaker 1: great to meet you. All right, Well, that was just

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Speaker 1: a fantastic time and Kendall, you've been a fantastic co host.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for sticking around on this long podcast with me,

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Speaker 1: going through all those headlines and having a nice little

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Speaker 1: spiritual experience with Devon together. No, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having me any time. Absolutely loved it, especially talking

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Speaker 1: to Von. He's great. Thank you, We appreciate you. We'll

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Speaker 1: take you up on that alright. So I think you've

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Speaker 1: been here a time or two since us and you've

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Speaker 1: done a sign off with us. So here's how it goes. Guys,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you next week. Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: you like it or if you don't, you know whatever,

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Speaker 1: until then, I appreciate you, Love you, sending off. I've

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Speaker 1: been Ashley, I've been candled too. Followed the Benn and

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