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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

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Speaker 4: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 4: superproducer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 4: are you are here. That makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 4: don't want you to know. It is the top of

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Speaker 4: the week as we hurdle headlong through March.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: We have some adventures that will catch you up on

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Speaker 4: in the near future, but for now, there is so

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Speaker 4: much strange stuff happening. There are people smuggling things as ever,

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Speaker 4: but maybe not the things would expect. We are going

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Speaker 4: to I don't want to say it, but we might

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Speaker 4: have some hot takes on the Red Sea. We'll get

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Speaker 4: to it later. For now, we have to address, of course,

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Speaker 4: one of the most pressing issues in the world of

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Speaker 4: conspiracy and international discourse in the modern day. Let's go

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Speaker 4: to you, Noel. You're a fan of Charlie and Chocolate Factory.

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Speaker 4: We've talked about role.

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Speaker 6: Doll Yeah, I'm a big fan of roll Doll's books,

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Speaker 6: especially the creepy ones. And I'm with folks that are

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Speaker 6: saying that even the slightly has an age super well

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Speaker 6: stuff should not be like rewritten.

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Speaker 3: I think that's weird.

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Speaker 6: I think once we start doing that, it's like a

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Speaker 6: real slippery slope. So just getting my soapbox moment and

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Speaker 6: on that. But I'm also a fan of the Gene

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Speaker 6: Wilder movie. I think the very of its age.

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Speaker 3: You know, the the chocolate waterfall looks like diarrhea. That's true.

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Speaker 4: It's also very stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: There is no earthly way of no.

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Speaker 3: That's true. That's the tunnel.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Tunnel of Doom also taken reappropriated by Marilyn

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Speaker 6: Manson for the video for his hit song Dope hat

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Speaker 6: off of Smell that Smells Like Children the Portrait of

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Speaker 6: an American Family, And I believe on that record too.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry I'm showing my former Manson I roots there's

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Speaker 6: a sample, or at least he does the there's no

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Speaker 6: earthly way of knowing and the rowers keep hol ring.

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Speaker 6: But he doesn't like a horrible Marilyn Manson kind of way.

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Speaker 6: That guy sucks. He's done terrible things. Not a good dude.

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Speaker 6: But anyway, yeah, I think you know, roll Doahll looms large.

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Speaker 6: He's become such a institution in Hollywood with you know,

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Speaker 6: remakes and some of them good, some of them not

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Speaker 6: so good. I thought the Tim Burton Charlie and the

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Speaker 6: Chocolate Factory was quite bad.

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Speaker 3: But then there was a little run of some of

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Speaker 3: the short.

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Speaker 6: Stories that were done by Wes Anderson is short films,

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Speaker 6: and all of those are excellent. They're just really, really

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Speaker 6: really what Henry Sugar I believe was one where the

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Speaker 6: sets kind of move and it's just it really hits

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Speaker 6: the spirit of the whimsy of a roll doll.

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Speaker 5: And this is big money, you guys.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we have got the Timothy chalomet reboot of

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Speaker 6: those young Wonka with sort of a backstory, and people

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Speaker 6: are you tend to capitalize on that, as was the

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Speaker 6: case in Scotland in Glasgow, to be more precise, where

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Speaker 6: a you know, you see these things all the time,

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Speaker 6: stuffs to some better than others, things like the Museum

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Speaker 3: The Balloon Museum, often that you have museums and.

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Speaker 5: Then we're like van Go the experience, there's.

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Speaker 4: Sort of experience a change.

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Speaker 2: But those are really cool.

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Speaker 5: Some of them are better than others.

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Speaker 6: I heard the van Go one sucked and was like

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Speaker 6: bit underwhelming. And they're often quite expensive, and they're often

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Speaker 6: set up in these massive industrial warehouse spaces and they

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Speaker 6: travel around depending on their success, you know, you might

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Speaker 3: Of roadshow version of it. You know.

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Speaker 6: Miao Wolf is a great example of an excellent one

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Speaker 6: that is like so immersive. We went to the one

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Speaker 6: in other countries and other cities. But in Glasgow, something

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Speaker 6: called Willie's Chocolate Experience was scheduled to run for two

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Speaker 3: I think the website has yeah, oh yeah, no it has,

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Speaker 6: And this event was promoted by a company with a

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Speaker 6: really awesome name for this show, House of Illuminati folks.

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Speaker 6: No joke curated or created this event, and they promoted

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Speaker 6: it as being a cutting edge experience that uses artificial

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Speaker 6: all over the place. They have some of these AI

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Speaker 6: generated images which are just like the quintessential kind of

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Speaker 6: would spit out when asked to reproduce Willy Wonka escapes,

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Speaker 6: you know, where things are just like a little too twisty,

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Speaker 4: And things look a little too wormy, kind of almost mansonesque, well.

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Speaker 3: Very much so.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there is a macabre quality to what they're

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Speaker 6: very much to the text on some of these images

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Speaker 3: People are referring to this stuff as cursed.

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Speaker 6: But the initial text on this kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: It's at the top. It's got a big banner saying

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Speaker 6: This stuff was put out there like they didn't prove

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Speaker 6: read it or something. Again this we're you know, we're

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Speaker 6: proponents of using stuff as tools. AI has the potential

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Speaker 3: When you just feed it.

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Speaker 6: Nonsense and say do a thing like this and don't

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Speaker 4: You're right, thirty five British pounds. So because it's Scotland,

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Speaker 6: And the AI part, you know, also was promoted as

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Speaker 6: is this is not like an AI, you know, virtual

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Speaker 6: you know, that's depicted in these really kind of wormy,

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Speaker 6: just it's got real sandworm vibes and like you look

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Speaker 5: That's appropriate, but AnyWho.

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Speaker 6: The scripting for this was also generated by AI and

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Speaker 3: They didn't know much about it.

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Speaker 6: They showed up assuming that the thing hadn't been completed

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Speaker 3: However, when the day one game and.

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Speaker 6: Families and their kids were streaming in to this industrial warehouse,

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Speaker 7: the things that I, as Matt Frederick, could access and

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Speaker 7: It just it feels exactly like that, like objection.

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Speaker 4: Objection, you, Matt Frederick would do a much better job.

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Speaker 2: I think it would be really close to this, guys.

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Speaker 7: I would find somebody to be like, hey, can I

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Speaker 7: give you four to five dollars to like pretend to

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Speaker 3: Doodle and do Let's not forget about the unknown who

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Speaker 6: We're gonna do a little reading because Gizmoto has the

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Speaker 6: whole thing linked out and posted and it all checks

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Speaker 6: with what we've We've heard the actors describing, you know,

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Speaker 7: And we've returned. Hey, before we get to the main store,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, watch where you park your copters.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was a joke set up.

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Speaker 7: No, well, it's this weird situation there's some like actual

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Speaker 7: It's an airfield in Worthington, Massachusetts. It's at night. He's

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Speaker 7: Yeah. So, according to the story, the crew of that

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 7: The suit is he's looking for nine point five million

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Speaker 4: With whom does the liability fall? Is it Uncle Sam?

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Speaker 6: It's sort of the equivalent of parking an invisible truck,

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Speaker 6: like in the middle of the road.

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Speaker 5: I mean, think, I'm sorry, I'm leaning into the stealth thing.

441
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Speaker 6: I know it's not invisible, but it is dark, very

442
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Speaker 6: darkly colored, and if the lights are completely off, you

443
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Speaker 6: would not see that coming, especially if it were white

444
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Speaker 6: out e type conditions like it might be. You know,

445
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Speaker 6: you'd sleek it be at full speed I mean, that's

446
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 6: obviously what happened.

447
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Speaker 3: Right.

448
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Speaker 4: Well, let's think through analogy too, just to just to

449
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Speaker 4: interject this. Let's say, for instance, let's change the circumstances

450
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Speaker 4: a little bit, just at context to the legal argument.

451
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Speaker 4: So what if you are this guy is on Smith

452
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Speaker 4: is on an established snowmobile trail. Okay, he's not just

453
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 4: freestyling it through the woods. This is an established snowmobile trail,

454
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Speaker 4: and there is an unexpected anomalous vehicle directly in that path. So,

455
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Speaker 4: for instance, think of for anybody who's a fan of

456
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Speaker 4: off roading, for anybody who's a fan of driving around

457
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Speaker 4: unpaved streets. You know, let's say you were doing something

458
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 4: like that, and you know what, here's a better way.

459
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Speaker 4: Let's say you're on a state road and you're driving

460
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Speaker 4: home and it's late at night, and all of a sudden,

461
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Speaker 4: there's a there's a jet in the middle of the

462
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Speaker 4: road you're driving on, and you just go over a

463
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Speaker 4: turn or you hit a hill the wrong way and

464
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Speaker 4: you don't have time to veer. For anybody who rides

465
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Speaker 4: a snowmobile, you know that it is very difficult to

466
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 4: like quote unquote stop on a dime. So in that case. Again,

467
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Speaker 4: who is liable in that situation?

468
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

469
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Speaker 6: Is this one of those situations though, where it's like

470
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Speaker 6: the government doesn't make mistakes, this is not.

471
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Speaker 5: Our fault because we refuse to own up to it.

472
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Speaker 3: Well, we were never there. I don't know, Like, what

473
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Speaker 3: are they saying?

474
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Speaker 7: So so the government this has been going on again.

475
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Speaker 7: It started in twenty nineteen, right, so the government has

476
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Speaker 7: attempted to outright dismiss the entire case based on some

477
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Speaker 7: older some older laws and just some older rulings like

478
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Speaker 7: the Federal Tort Claims Act. Because the reason why the

479
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 7: helicopter was there was a policy decision, had nothing to

480
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Speaker 7: do with the crew. The crew had no idea that

481
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Speaker 7: they were landing in this area that was an active

482
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Speaker 7: snowmobile route. They're saying that, oh, in our policies, there's

483
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Speaker 7: nothing that requires that crew who's running that helicopter to

484
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Speaker 7: illuminate it. That's that we don't have anything that states

485
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 7: that we didn't know nothing, we did nothing wrong. It's

486
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Speaker 7: it's Smith's fault for driving sixty five miles per hour

487
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Speaker 7: on a snowmobile, which is really fast.

488
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Speaker 5: It's fast.

489
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Speaker 3: Are there posted limits on these types of motorways.

490
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Speaker 4: Whoa fun police?

491
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Speaker 3: That's right.

492
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Speaker 4: No, you're right, you're right. That's an excellent question. Also,

493
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 4: also there's another question too, like if there were and

494
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Speaker 4: I don't know how far the courts will go in

495
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Speaker 4: entertaining this, But to the point about illumination, right, Like

496
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Speaker 4: what illumination would have mattered? Is it? Sort of? Because

497
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Speaker 4: this was not a planned landing, right Like, they weren't

498
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Speaker 4: this It wasn't part of their immediate mission to land there.

499
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Speaker 4: It's something they had to do, so.

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Speaker 3: It's an emergency maneuver of some kinds.

501
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Speaker 7: No, it was part of a night training, right that

502
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Speaker 7: might I don't mean to contradict, I just I think

503
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Speaker 7: this was night training.

504
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Speaker 3: Why didn't they park on the shoulder?

505
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Speaker 7: Well, the argument is that the crew had no idea

506
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 7: where the tail of the craft was was actually on

507
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 7: this active trail, right, And.

508
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Speaker 4: It makes sense that the crew would not know that.

509
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: But then the reason I'm getting to the illumination argument

510
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 4: is like to Nole's question about pulling over on the

511
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 4: side of the road versus just stopping a broke down

512
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 4: car on the highway. If you when we have a

513
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 4: lot of fellow conspiracy realists who drive semi semi trucks, right,

514
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 4: so like there is a well established operation for landing,

515
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: and if this is training, then you know you would

516
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Speaker 4: enact that operation.

517
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Speaker 3: Right.

518
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 4: You got to rehearse before you go live. In those

519
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 4: cases where you have a car pulled over, you have

520
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 4: all kinds of emergency flares and things like that. So

521
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 4: for anyone driving a tractor trailer a semi you know

522
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: that if there are engine problems, mobility problems, you have

523
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Speaker 4: a set of procedures, things like road flares or even

524
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Speaker 4: the little triangles you're supposed to set in some columns

525
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Speaker 4: the vehicle.

526
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and saw those at walmartin places for non commercial vehicles,

527
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 7: like for your vehicle that they just flash red lights,

528
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 7: but they're sufficiently bright to warn people.

529
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Speaker 2: And that's all that's about.

530
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Speaker 4: That's the question, Matt, Like at this, I don't know

531
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Speaker 4: much about the We know it was night, we know

532
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 4: it was snowing. Was there any was there any illumination

533
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Speaker 4: that would have mattered?

534
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 7: I would argue if I was Smith's attorney that yes,

535
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Speaker 7: even if he's traveling sixty five miles per hour, if

536
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Speaker 7: he sees something glowing even slightly on the snow like that,

537
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 7: because the ground is covered in snow, so it's gonna

538
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 7: be way more reflective any light that you put out there, right,

539
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 7: I think he would have time to at least moved,

540
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 7: you know, away a bit to the left, let's say,

541
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Speaker 7: a couple of feet, because he only clipped a very

542
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 7: tail end of that machine.

543
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

544
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 7: I think as attorneys have a point there. Yes, but

545
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 7: but again, this these are these are military professionals training

546
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 7: for a specific situation where you're going in at night

547
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 7: in the dark. So they're doing what they're supposed to

548
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 7: be doing to train correctly.

549
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: I don't is this your main story, Matt.

550
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: No, But that's okay. This was this. I like talking

551
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: about this with you guys.

552
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: It's good.

553
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 5: I didn't realize it was going to generate so much conversation.

554
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 5: There's a lot of questions. I just I feel like

555
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 5: they have to be liable.

556
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 6: It certainly say this seems like they were following procedure,

557
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 6: you know, if that's what matters, if they determined that

558
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 6: they did not follow protocol, because it seems like anything

559
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 6: outside of that isn't going to matter.

560
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: Well, it also goes I think there's a reasonable Again,

561
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 4: we are not lawyers, uh, I think there is in

562
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 4: this country. I think there is a reasonable expectation that

563
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 4: you could argue here right like this, this community seems

564
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 4: to be unaware that there were training exercises happening, right

565
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 4: And then you know, you can already kind of game

566
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 4: out the back and forth of it. But what you

567
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 4: can't get around is the idea that a totally innocent

568
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 4: dude just having a sick time on a snowmobile got

569
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Speaker 4: his life ruined, And he got his life ruined when

570
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 4: he was doing the right things. He was just riding

571
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Speaker 4: a snowmobile on an established trail for that he was

572
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 4: going to go home, he was going to have a

573
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Speaker 4: great night. And now he is probably up to his

574
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: neck in medical debt, combined with a multi year struggle

575
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Speaker 4: legally against one of the most powerful entities in the world,

576
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: which is the United States government, And that seems pretty well.

577
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm putting an editorial thumb on the scale, but I.

578
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Speaker 6: Don't editorially speaking, though, doesn't it seem like at this

579
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 6: point they would just help him out for optics alone,

580
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 6: Like why does the go do they always have to

581
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 6: be right? Why can't they just be like you know what?

582
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 6: It was a it was a bit of a whoopsie.

583
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Speaker 6: You know we're gonna help you out with these bills.

584
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Speaker 4: Oh, and get in front of this question. The snowmobile

585
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 4: does have lights, Is that correct?

586
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

587
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, snowmobile has lights. But again, you're going through

588
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 7: forested areas that have openings where there's way more field

589
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 7: basically covered in snow than trees.

590
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 5: And dense trees. Right turns like probably hairpin turns.

591
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 4: Who knows, and shout out to the crew because they

592
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: when they heard that smack, they got out immediately and

593
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 4: started helping the guy.

594
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Speaker 7: Yeah, the first responders were the guys who were who

595
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 7: were training, and thankfully they knew, you know, things like

596
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 7: first response to somebody who's injured like that. They couldn't

597
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 7: immediately save him, save him like and just fix all

598
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 7: his problems, but they were able to at least triage

599
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 7: him enough to get him on a flight to because

600
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Speaker 7: I think that he had to get airlifted almost immediately

601
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 7: again because internal bleeding, punctured.

602
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: Lung, doesn't broken ribs.

603
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 7: Yikes, guys, we're barely going to touch the other story,

604
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 7: but let's do it so at least we talked about

605
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 7: it a bit. We have a first here in these

606
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 7: old United States. Firsts don't come along very often anymore.

607
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 7: But we've got one, the first person in the United

608
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Speaker 7: States to be prosecuted for smuggling greenhouse gases into the

609
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 7: United States. What it's happening right now? Southern District of California.

610
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Speaker 4: Okay, wait wait, smuggling gases into the US.

611
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 7: Not yes, yes, specifically hydrofloral carbons.

612
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: Oh, we don't like those. They're bad for the ozone layer.

613
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 4: Oh those are so tight, man, I'm.

614
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: Sorry to what end if I might ask?

615
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Speaker 7: Well, this person, his name is Michael Hart. He's fifty

616
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Speaker 7: eight years old. He lives in San Diego. He is accused,

617
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Speaker 7: He stands accused of bringing those hydrofluoro carbons in and

618
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Speaker 7: then selling them on Facebook marketplace. So at least according

619
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Speaker 7: to all of these documents, it's saying that he put

620
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Speaker 7: these hydrofluorocarbons and containers into his car, covered them up

621
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Speaker 7: so he could get past you know, I guess customs

622
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Speaker 7: as you go through the border right there when you

623
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Speaker 7: get the check, the border check, and then basically held

624
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Speaker 7: them until he could sell them on Facebook.

625
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Speaker 4: Facebook.

626
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, man, okay, granddad.

627
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Speaker 7: Well, but I mean that's a way to sell things.

628
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 7: That's a viable way to sell things.

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Speaker 5: These do when to get scammed. It's terrible on there.

630
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Speaker 3: Oh really, Oh dude, I've never.

631
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Speaker 6: Had selling some furniture on Facebook Marketplace and I got

632
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 6: way more bots, you know, then I got actual people.

633
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Speaker 3: Just I sort of never do it again.

634
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Speaker 7: Well I've not learned my lesson yet. I'm gonna try

635
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 7: one day. I'm sure I'll forget that you said that,

636
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 7: but I can't. I look forward to it. But this person,

637
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 7: Michael Hart, he faces thirteen separate charges. Just going to

638
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 7: give you a couple of them, conspiracy, importation contrary to law,

639
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 7: multiple counts of selling imported merchandise contrary to law, and

640
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 7: criminal forfeiture. He could face decades in prison if convicted

641
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 7: on any one of the charges related to illegal importation

642
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 7: of hydro floro carbons. And we have to just bring

643
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 7: this up, guys. This all has to do with a

644
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 7: newish thing from twenty twenty. It was a law that

645
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 7: arose in twenty twenty called the aim Act. Aim Act.

646
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 7: It gives the EPA the authority to reduce production of

647
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 7: hydrofluoric carbons reduce consumption. I'm not sure how you do

648
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 7: that of hydrofluoral carbons. Those are the two main things

649
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 7: that this Amact does, right, hydrofluorocarbons you may remember as

650
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 7: connected to or related to another thing. What have they

651
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 7: called ben CFC's CFCs.

652
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: Carbons.

653
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 7: Yes, so these are refrigerants that you will find in

654
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 7: your refrigerator. Everybody, right now, you've got some of these

655
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 7: in your house. Do you have an air conditioner in

656
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 7: your house? You probably have some of these gases that

657
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 7: are you know, in strategic places in your house. They

658
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Speaker 7: have to do with cooling it and.

659
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Speaker 3: They're not illegal in that sense, or they're being phased

660
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Speaker 3: out or what.

661
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Speaker 6: I'm still a little confused about what the law is

662
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 6: around these substances. Well, and a man who's paying for

663
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 6: this stuff on Facebook marketplace?

664
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Speaker 3: And why? I'm sorry if that's too many questions.

665
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Speaker 7: I think, and I don't know, I haven't seen the

666
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 7: details like that are this granular. But I think if

667
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 7: you're in the market for hfc's or CFCs like this,

668
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 7: you're probably working on air conditioners or or some kind

669
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 7: of home HVAC systems as your job. Because those refrigerants

670
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 7: are extremely expensive and you often have to go to

671
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 7: somebody's house if you're a service person and refill the

672
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 7: refrigerants within their AC system or their refrigerator.

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Speaker 3: And maybe getting them through legal means requires a lot

674
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: of licensing and hoops and stuff like that, and this

675
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 3: is just a quicker route.

676
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 7: To that theoretically, or it's a way for.

677
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 8: Him to make money, right, he can buy Yeah, but

678
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 8: the reason that people would buy it rather than go

679
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 8: through the proper channels is because it's either cheaper or

680
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 8: easier to get and they don't have to, you know.

681
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Speaker 3: Fill out some forms or something. Maybe I don't know,

682
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: it's just the thought.

683
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 7: Theoretically it would it would be easier to buy it

684
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 7: on Facebook marketplace like that, then go through all the channels.

685
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 7: I'm assuming, but I don't know that for sure. We're

686
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 7: gonna check back in on this and see how this

687
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 7: first turns out. He recently appeared in federal court. He

688
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 7: pleaded not guilty this week as we record this, and

689
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 7: he's going to be showing back up on March twenty

690
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 7: fifth to hang out with the US District Judge Jeffrey Miller.

691
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Speaker 3: Exciting stuff, everybody, All.

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Speaker 7: Right, let us know if you hear anything about this,

693
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 7: or if you hear anything about hfc's and this new

694
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 7: aim act, and we'll be right back with more strange news.

695
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Speaker 4: And we have returned. Fellow conspiracy realists. You may recall

696
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 4: that not too long ago we covered the concept of

697
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 4: the fragile thing that makes the current world run the Internet.

698
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 4: Before we get to that, because it is going to

699
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Speaker 4: be a bit of a weird bummer, a bit of

700
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Speaker 4: a mystery, I wanted to share with you, guys Matt's

701
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Speaker 4: nooel dot. I wanted to share some quick things. One

702
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 4: thing to talk about which may be good news. Did you,

703
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 4: guys hear that credit card fees are going to get

704
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: capped in the United States?

705
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: Is it actually happening.

706
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Speaker 4: It's something that will hopefully happen late. Fees with credit

707
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 4: cards are going to be capped at eight dollars instead

708
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 4: of the average of thirty two dollars per overdraw. And

709
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 4: given the serious rate of credit card interest in the

710
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 4: US and the accelerating economic inequality, I think that's a

711
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 4: good thing if you have I'm mainly bringing this up

712
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 4: as a mention, fellow conspiracy realist, if you have a

713
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 4: credit card debt of any sort, please do pay it

714
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 4: off as soon as you can. That stuff is predatory.

715
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: No hyperbole there, right, Like, we've all seen that happen

716
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Speaker 4: to people.

717
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 3: We know.

718
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 7: It's such a tough situation because they rack up so quickly.

719
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Speaker 7: The way our society functions now, you'll you'll throw your

720
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 7: credit card at things and you will not realize you've

721
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 7: racked up one hundred dollars, two hundred dollars, three hundred dollars,

722
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 7: and you're like, oh crap, how did I spend that

723
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 7: much money? And I swear it's because of that disconnect

724
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 7: now with the card or our phone or whatever the

725
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 7: electronic transaction is. Now, it's so easy to over to

726
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 7: overspend I guess right, or.

727
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 4: Even to be forced in a situation where that is

728
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 4: your only strategic move. Hopefully that is good news these

729
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 4: write to us. I think there's a credit card episode

730
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 4: that might be on the way. Whether it's ridiculous history

731
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: or stuff they don't want you to know, we can

732
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 4: say for sure, the way credit cards work, and the

733
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 4: way indeed credit as a concept works, is something they

734
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Speaker 4: don't want you to know. In the West, ask yourself,

735
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 4: why don't you get financial literacy as a core class

736
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: in high school?

737
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 2: Because you're a battery man.

738
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Speaker 3: That's all you are.

739
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 7: We need to talk about capital one buying discover that's

740
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Speaker 7: a huge deal.

741
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: Shut it down. No, the show's over thirty five year. Yes, yeah, absolutely,

742
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 4: so that is hopefully good news. Also, in a stunningly

743
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: late to the game opinion, the London School of Economics

744
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 4: has concluded the thing called trickle down economics aka what

745
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 4: is it? Horses and sparrow economics as it was once

746
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 4: called aka tax cuts for the wealthy, turns out it

747
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 4: doesn't work. Oh they figured it out, Happy twenty twenty

748
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 4: four London School of Economics, lasting before we get to

749
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Speaker 4: the main store.

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Speaker 7: But Ben, Ben, you feed the horses, the horses poop,

751
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 7: then the sparrows are satisfied.

752
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it trickles down.

753
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 5: Oh through, it trickles through.

754
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: Got it?

755
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 4: Well, gravity wise, I guess, because the horse's mouth is

756
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 4: further from the poop.

757
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 3: Whatever.

758
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 4: This was one of the bedrocks of Reaganomics, and it

759
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 4: turns out what it was a grift the whole time.

760
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: And it's a griff that continues today with disastrous consequences

761
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 4: for everyone listening. Even if you are benefiting from it

762
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 4: in a short term environment, there is a long term

763
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 4: there is a horizon ahead and this makes me think

764
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 4: of something. Ah, guys, I don't know if we'll get

765
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: to the main story, but it is important. We'll have

766
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Speaker 4: to at least mention it. There's something on my mind.

767
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Speaker 4: We all of us on the show now, we live

768
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Speaker 4: in urban or suburban environments. Do you, guys hear car

769
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Speaker 4: alarms often?

770
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. I always assume it's mine.

771
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Speaker 6: And it's weird that I don't actually know what mine

772
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 6: sounds like, because they're all kind of different. But it's

773
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Speaker 6: usually not, thankfully, But man, I do doc.

774
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Speaker 4: Can we get a just a sample of like the

775
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 4: stereotypical car alarm?

776
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 2: Oh god, there it is.

777
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 4: Everybody teamed out. They heard it, and they ignored it.

778
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Speaker 7: So weirdly enough. Where I live now, I do not

779
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 7: hear that. But if I'm in Atlanta, like we're going

780
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 7: to a shoot or something like, definitely will just catch it.

781
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 7: If I've got my windows down rolling through the Atlanta

782
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 7: I hear those sounds all the time, appear appear up here.

783
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 7: I hear what I think are house alarms in the

784
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Speaker 7: distance because sound carries differently out here in the boon with.

785
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Speaker 4: Less noise pollution.

786
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I swear I hear you're also like penetrating

787
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 6: no no, no, yes, yeah, like laser gun sounds.

788
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 3: You know. Yes.

789
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 4: I feel like if we if we all lived further

790
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 4: out in this mountainous compound that I fantasize about increasingly,

791
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 4: then we are are. A car alarm would be more effective,

792
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 4: A house alarm would be more effective, even if it

793
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: was just a recording of one of us yelling.

794
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 7: Hey, seriously, some dudes out here yelling to call you guys.

795
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 2: I just called.

796
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Speaker 4: So. The problem is, and I think this is what

797
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 4: we're getting at specifically here, Noel. The problem is that

798
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 4: those things, when they become ubiquitous and familiar, just like

799
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: when you're driving in the city, Matt, they're easy to ignore, right.

800
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 4: They become part of your sort of sonic environment, like

801
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 4: nol Win is, for instance, in your neck of the woods.

802
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 4: When is the last time you heard a car alarm

803
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 4: and went, holy smokes, I better go outside.

804
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 5: Jimmy stuck in the well? I don't never. It's just annoyance, and.

805
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 3: It is a it's noise pollution, that's all it is.

806
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 4: So Unfortunately, a similar thing is happening in hospitals. Oh geez, yeah,

807
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 4: the hospital.

808
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: Wow, that Ben, I'm doing.

809
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 4: A little conversational parkour. So we started with the good stuff.

810
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 4: Now we're gonna do once like if you work in UH,

811
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Speaker 4: if you were in the medical industry, if you work

812
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 4: in hospitals in particular, first off, thank you. We recognize

813
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: the caliber of your work, and we understand the emotional

814
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 4: toll it has to take, an indeed, the physical toll,

815
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Speaker 4: especially in an ongoing pandemic hospital workers. It turns out

816
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 4: here up to one thousand alarm noises per shift. This

817
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 4: is coming to us from New Atlas courtesy of Paul McClure,

818
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 4: and this just came out this month as we record.

819
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Speaker 4: And what happens when you hear all those beats, even

820
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Speaker 4: if you are a trained professional, is that you will

821
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 4: encounter semantic satiation, you know, or you.

822
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Speaker 3: Will encounter centory overlook.

823
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 4: So like semantic satiation is where you take a word

824
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 4: like ambassador, and you just say it so often or

825
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: hear it so often it loses its meaning. It becomes

826
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Speaker 4: a series of just random noises.

827
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Speaker 6: Say her a name in the mirror over and over again.

828
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 6: It'll start to sound real weird in your head, like

829
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Speaker 6: it's it's an interesting phenomenon. It doesn't even take that

830
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 6: many times, and I can speak from personal experience so

831
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 6: recently in a hospital with a loved one. These alarms

832
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 6: happen all the time for pretty innocuous reasons too. They're

833
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 6: not all coding events or like flatlining events. Some of

834
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 6: them are just oh, the battery and the ivy.

835
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Speaker 3: Pole to your place.

836
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Speaker 6: And I had to go get someone several times, mainly

837
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Speaker 6: because it was just obnoxious and we were you know,

838
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 6: unpleasant in the room and they were none the wiser

839
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 6: until I told them about it. But again, you have

840
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Speaker 6: to assume there's you know, if it's really serious, it'll

841
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 6: flash a light or do something extra, one would hope,

842
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 6: but what are you finding?

843
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 3: Then?

844
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 4: We always want to assume that there is someone at

845
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: the wheel right, and unfortunately that is not always the case.

846
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 4: As McLure points out McClure themselves being a former ICU

847
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 4: Intensive care unit nurse. McClure points out that a study

848
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Speaker 4: found in the journal Critical Care Medicine discovered that only

849
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Speaker 4: fifteen percent of all of these alarms, all these hospital

850
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 4: beeps in a critical care environment are quote clinically relevant,

851
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: which means that you'll hear a ton of beeps, and

852
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 4: only fifteen percent of them will be the hurry up

853
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 4: and runs that will lead to what is portrayed as

854
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 4: alarm fatigue desensitization. Just like if you live in a

855
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,959
Speaker 4: city you hear car alarms all the time, you think

856
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 4: somebody just bumped into some other car when they were parking,

857
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 4: somebody clicked their little keyfob wrong, and you might not

858
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 4: immediately think a car is being broken into, or a

859
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 4: serious situation and is escalating. I don't know, man, I

860
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 4: just would to point that out. I don't know what

861
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 4: to do with it. It's just it's getting to be

862
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 4: rethinking a lot of things.

863
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 7: We need a new position in all hospitals, and that

864
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 7: is the alarm technician in the minder.

865
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 4: Oh oh, town crier.

866
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's all this person does. They just hear the beafs,

867
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 7: they go check. Oh that's nothing, hear the beep, go check.

868
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 2: Oh help. Hey, it's like our car alarm.

869
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 7: Right, It's exactly like our car alarm.

870
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 4: So I want to shout out two of the authors

871
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 4: of the study that McClure also cites. These are Joseph

872
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 4: Schlessinger and Michael Schutz, who are looking into just like

873
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 4: with car alarms, they're looking into how changing those sonic

874
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: notifications might help medical professionals be on the ball. Perhaps

875
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 4: we could build a hierarchy of sound there, and perhaps

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Speaker 4: that already exists. You know, this is something that we

877
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Speaker 4: can only learn about, not being medical professionals. We can

878
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 4: only learn about it through terrible personal experience, as you indicated,

879
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 4: as we've all been in that situation at some point.

880
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 4: Or we can learn about it through the magic of

881
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Speaker 4: the internet un less noh oh, the pivot, yeah, the

882
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 4: turn unless uh our internet gets cut off? Do you

883
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Speaker 4: guys remember when we recently did that episode about undersea cables.

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Speaker 3: Most definitely things about when you put in that context,

885
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Speaker 3: but I'm not superversed on the nature of this region particularly,

886
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Speaker 3: or like the conflicts that are going on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to talk about the Red Sea as

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Speaker 4: we end our recording here.

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Speaker 7: Uh oh wait, that wasn't that the place that we

890
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Speaker 7: focused on as being one of the most vulnerable areas?

891
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 4: But no way, no, really we did, right, Yes we did. Yeah, So,

892
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 4: what's a what's like a quick, hot and dirty recap

893
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 4: of under the internet communication?

894
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 7: The Internet as you know it, I wherever you are

895
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 7: on the continent which you live, it flows from your

896
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 7: continent through these undersea cables that are buried or sometimes

897
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 7: just hanging out at the bottom of the ocean, and

898
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Speaker 7: it travels. Let's imagine all the way from North America

899
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 7: to Africa, all the way from parts of what everywhere,

900
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 7: Every continent basically is connected up through the snaking undersea

901
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Speaker 7: cables and they are actually the Internet tubes.

902
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

903
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 7: If you imagine the server for whatever service you're using

904
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Speaker 7: that you're accessing via the Internet isn't on the continent

905
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Speaker 7: where you preside, then you are accessing that stuff from

906
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 7: a server that is across these tubes.

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Speaker 4: Perfect. Yeah. So on September twentieth and twenty twenty three,

908
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Speaker 4: as the Humans wreckon the calendar, we publish an episode

909
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Speaker 4: about what we call the underwater Internet spoiler. That's a

910
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 4: redundant phrase, just like vennumber or ATM machine, the Internet

911
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 4: is underwater. And ever since the days of Samuel Morse

912
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 4: and the Telegraph, that has been the case for global communication.

913
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Speaker 4: Satellites are very important and also likewise fragile, but way

914
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 4: more of your daily global online activity is going through

915
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 4: tubes or depending on those undersea tubes. And recently that

916
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 4: came to the four of the conversation because in the

917
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 4: Red Sea several tubes got cut. There we're talking about

918
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Speaker 4: the We'll give you the names of these lines and

919
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 4: this comes to us from HGC Global Communications out of

920
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 4: Hong Kong. One of the lines is Asia Africa Europe one,

921
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 4: the other one is the Europe India Gateway, and then

922
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 4: there's c COMM and TG in Golf. This affected twenty

923
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 4: five percent of the Internet traffic flowing through the Red Sea.

924
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 4: This is just like it might sound weird to talk

925
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 4: about a bunch of zeros and ones on the same

926
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 4: level of a mining resource or oil, but it's very

927
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 4: much the case in global civilization to day.

928
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 7: Because these are international, international transfers of money.

929
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: Often.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that's what's going through these That's one of the

931
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Speaker 7: primary things that happens through these.

932
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 4: Yeah. So what the initial reporting said, I never thought

933
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 4: we'd be in this position, guys. The initial reporting says

934
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Speaker 4: that the UTI forces in Yemen had purposely cut the cables,

935
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 4: and to be completely transparent, in our previous episode, we

936
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 4: pointed out the vulnerability and indeed you could argue that

937
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 4: we dic did something like this occurring. However, also in

938
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,479
Speaker 4: fairness to our little initiative, here. We did not say

939
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 4: we were going to do it. We didn't we didn't

940
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 4: name any specific force that was going.

941
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Speaker 3: To do it.

942
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 4: We pointed out the vulnerability exist, right.

943
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 5: Yes, I had to say yes.

944
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 7: And just to be clear, we weren't the only people

945
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 7: talking about that for the past couple of years, because

946
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 7: it's just one of these things. It's like, once you

947
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 7: realize that's how it happens and that's how vulnerable it is,

948
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 7: I think it's right to say, hey, maybe we should

949
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 7: find something to do because a ship's anchor like has

950
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 7: breached these cables several times since we recorded that episode,

951
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 7: just accidentally because they dropped anchor in the wrong.

952
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 4: Place, and that is the most plausible explanation here. Again,

953
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 4: we're not We're not making a larger comment regarding the

954
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 4: current instability, the massacres against civilians and Yemen, nor are

955
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 4: we talking about the other problems on the horizon for

956
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 4: that region. What we're saying is it has always been

957
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 4: a statistical inevitability. It has been a statistical certitude that

958
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 4: something this crucial and this vulnerable would be damaged in

959
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 4: the wake of chaos. And what most likely happened, as

960
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 4: we in tonight's program. Is this no who These are

961
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 4: targeting ships, killing some ships. And when these ships get hit,

962
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 4: some of them are big old boys. And those big

963
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 4: old boys have big old anchors, and those anchors when

964
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 4: a ship is compromised, when it is damaged, those anchors

965
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 4: just drag willy nilly across stuff. So what probably happened,

966
00:53:55,400 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 4: best guess right now, what probably happened was a consequence,

967
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 4: an unforeseen consequence occurred. And this is not again, this

968
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 4: is not us defending anyone. If anything, this is us

969
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 4: pointing out once again, when elephants make war, man, it's

970
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 4: the grass. The grass is the first thing to go.

971
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 4: Turns out, the same thing happens when they make love. Sorry,

972
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 4: that's true. You know well, making love is kind of

973
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 4: like making war.

974
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: It's a little weird. It's not like a little person.

975
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 5: To say that make love.

976
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 3: It's as bad as make WHOOPI.

977
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 7: Jeez with make love as war?

978
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 3: Metal?

979
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 4: Right, that is metal af radical affection, radical empathy. Uh.

980
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 4: We want to hear your thoughts on this, folks. We

981
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 4: want to hear your thoughts on the vulnerability of this

982
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 4: fragile thing we call human civilization. We want to hear

983
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 4: about the last time you encountered military craft in the wild.

984
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 4: Out out to our fellow conspiracy realist who who hipped

985
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 4: us to a very true story about aircraft being stored

986
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 4: in a Walmart in the middle of nowhere. Uh and uh,

987
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 4: we want to hear about your experience, uh in willy

988
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 4: Wonka Land.

989
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you went.

990
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 6: I mean it sounds like a lot of the reports

991
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 6: back to are like, well that was worth. The price

992
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 6: of admission is to be part of history.

993
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 4: They would make money. Hand over AI fist.

994
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

995
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 5: They haven't quite figured out fists yet, are they. They

996
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 5: still look a little.

997
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: Hands in general?

998
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 7: Can can you put your hands on top of my hands?

999
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 2: Why a picture for the website?

1000
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 4: Why did that come to you so hard? That one guy?

1001
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 4: All right, Okay, well we're gonna we're gonna call it

1002
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 4: an evening. We're off to noctivigate. We hope you join us.

1003
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Speaker 1: Uh.

1004
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 4: We try to be easy to find online.

1005
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: Boy do we ever?

1006
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 6: You can find it to the handle Conspiracy Stuff, where

1007
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 6: we exist on Facebook, where we have our Facebook group.

1008
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy.

1009
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 6: We are also conspiracy Stuff on YouTube, where we have amazing,

1010
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 6: exciting video content coming your way. We were all really

1011
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 6: in the tickled before this episode if you couldn't tell,

1012
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 6: because we were looking at some edits that Matt is

1013
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 6: working on for an upcoming video series hopefully that we

1014
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 6: are all just so excited about.

1015
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 5: So you'll see that on YouTube.

1016
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 6: You'll also see that stuff on Instagram and TikTok, where

1017
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 6: we exist at the handle Conspiracy Stuff Show.

1018
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1020
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1022
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1023
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1024
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,920
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