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Speaker 1: It's like the UAW, but the A doesn't stand for auto.

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Speaker 2: It's one more thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm strong and getty, one more thing.

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Speaker 4: Before we get to whatever that is. I've been meaning

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Speaker 4: so naughty. I'd been marry naughty, warning you. I've been

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Speaker 4: meaning to complain about Wait, geez, we've been talking about

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Speaker 4: micro was it called superprocessed foods ultra processed foods? So

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't be eating anything and that comes in a

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Speaker 4: the plastic sacks. The modern plastic sacks are so sucky,

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Speaker 4: the kind of material they are. They don't rip like

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Speaker 4: shreds into different pieces and you just got to mess

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Speaker 3: And it's funny. There's an article in USA Today today

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Speaker 3: has led to these kinds of plastics, for like chip bags.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you ever open it, it just rips all

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Speaker 3: out on the floor. It's not like the old days

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Speaker 3: where you can just open the top and it's cheaper

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Speaker 3: and greener. I'm guessing it has more to do with

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Speaker 3: your imagination. Beverage containers are harder to open than they

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Speaker 3: used to be, which is good news. I'm not just

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Speaker 3: getting weaker and losing my grip strength because of the

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Speaker 3: caps on so many things getting smaller and not as deep.

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Speaker 3: You can't get much of a grip on it anymore.

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Speaker 3: And it's just it's just factually much more difficult to

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Speaker 5: I had a hell at a time with one of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they use they used that as an example. Those

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Speaker 2: All that reminds me I have not yet eggnogged.

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Speaker 3: About.

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Speaker 1: I got to put that off as long as possible.

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Speaker 1: The fact that I'm doing okay, waight wise right.

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Speaker 3: Now, Katie, do you know Joe's eggnog game.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Well, I used to say, back in my younger and

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Speaker 3: That, back when you're hanging out with Pete Hegzeth.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all the times we had.

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Speaker 1: Uh, if you can't read the newspaper through your eggnog,

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Speaker 2: Week, got it?

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Speaker 3: Okay, got in our Our old boss used to have

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Speaker 3: a party at his house where he had make eggnog

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Speaker 3: with a big block of Hoggin DAW's ice cream in

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Speaker 2: Made from scratch egg nog.

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Speaker 3: It was so freaking good and you'd be knee walking

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Speaker 3: drunk by the end too, which was really cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, goes down like a well, like a milkshake.

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Speaker 3: Knee walking drunk. I haven't heard that one either. I

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Speaker 3: like it. That's a Georgia bushism and he knew so drunk.

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Speaker 3: The old style milk carton caps were twenty one millimeters tall,

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Speaker 3: difference of nineteen percent. That seems to be enough to

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Speaker 3: make it impossible to grip by most people. And see,

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Speaker 5: Yes, I had a really embarrassing moment the other day

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Speaker 2: Yeah, squeezing too hard?

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Speaker 3: That is interesting. Well, they got to find the sweet spot, obviously,

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Speaker 1: Speaking of squeezing too hard and finding the sweet spot,

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Speaker 1: here's good news. This is one of Michael's pet causes.

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Speaker 1: He's marched, he's twitter hashtags, he's written letters to Congress,

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Speaker 1: and that's the rights of prostitutes in Belgium and the

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Speaker 1: good news. Belgian prostitutes have been given full employment rights

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Speaker 1: as sex workers under a new law that entitles them

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Speaker 1: to social security and pensions.

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Speaker 2: Finally, the law is creating a new category of employment.

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Speaker 1: I would try the French, but I haven't studied French

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Speaker 1: in many years. Essentially sex workers, which requires an official

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Speaker 1: employment contract. This will cover and regulate working hours and pay,

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Speaker 1: including prostitutes working part time as gig workers or while

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Speaker 1: studying in higher education.

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Speaker 3: I'm a part time prostitute.

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Speaker 1: I'm a student and I do sex work on the

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Speaker 3: I'd be racking up over time, yeah, exactly, time and

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Speaker 3: a half. Yeah, and putting more toward your retirement exactly right.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait till I get off my back and

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Speaker 3: And I retire when you're like thirty, probably from that gig.

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Speaker 1: Says Don Bowens, director of the Belgian Union for Prostitutes.

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Speaker 2: What do we want? What do we want?

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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 3: Quote?

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Speaker 2: We could have never dreamt that we would be here now.

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Speaker 1: I think the most important thing is that we now

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Speaker 1: make access to social security possible.

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Speaker 3: We did a full panel with sex workers once years ago.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that, Yeah, I do in studio.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very very interesting, and I know I've

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Speaker 3: gone back and forth on this and whether it should

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Speaker 3: be legalized, so that then have you'd have some rights

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Speaker 3: and police protection and stuff that you don't now. But

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Speaker 3: then the experience with legalized marijuana in California is that

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Speaker 3: you have as active an illegal market as you ever

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Speaker 3: did in just a different way. Because I have a

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Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite, not that it's good,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's it is clear one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: can't give consent, they're underage, it's rape. The most horrifying

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's like the young junkies in you know, all the

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Speaker 1: again by getting arrested and having some compassionate cop saying hey,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to do this, here's this program whatever.

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Speaker 1: It just it makes all of it too easy, including

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Speaker 2: And you got that.

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Speaker 1: And then there's this I can't remember. There's probably a

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Speaker 1: clever name for it. It's the principle the speed limit is sixty,

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Speaker 1: they don't expect you to go sixty, but you're sure

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Speaker 1: as hell aren't gonna go ninety. And that I don't

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Speaker 1: know if there's a Latin phrase for that legal philosophy,

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Speaker 1: but to keep the really ugly stuff going from happening,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have a law that's not super strictly enforced,

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Speaker 1: realize that's kind of wishy washing, and I wish the

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Speaker 1: world didn't work like that, but it does. Getting back

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Speaker 1: to the hose of Belgium.

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Speaker 3: I assume the Johns would dig this because it's legal,

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Speaker 3: and oh yeah, you don't have to worry about.

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Speaker 1: Unless you're a real Sickoh yeah, yeah. One important important

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Speaker 1: employment right is that sex workers are able to refuse

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Speaker 1: by their brothel. Say the Belgian sex workers.

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Speaker 3: Sacked by a brothel is a good price?

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Speaker 2: That's a phrase. Yeah, yeah, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: The exercise of the right refusal opens a protection period

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Speaker 1: of six months, during which the sex worker is protecting.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's just the legal ease. It gets a

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Speaker 1: little troubling here, Okay. Employers will have to meet workplace

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Speaker 1: safety requirements such as an emergency panic button, and hygiene

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Speaker 1: rules require that rooms must be a certain size, equipped

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Speaker 3: Yeah, betting requirements, you like, how often are you changing those? Ah?

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Speaker 2: Cress so often is possible?

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Speaker 3: Ew?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where's the put? Did I skip over that? Somehow?

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Speaker 1: Some of the gals talking about how, uh, since they

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Speaker 2: I sort of got I read that in this article.

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Speaker 2: That's funny. I'm probably skimming over it.

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Speaker 1: But this one gal's talking about because we have no

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Speaker 1: I was eight months pregnant.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, see that's awful. That's a cake

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, there are many examples of a couple

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Speaker 3: That's fine, healthy and fine and fun. On the other hand, okay,

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Speaker 3: that's not what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: No, right exactly, but paying for it, and she's got

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Speaker 2: It's just and she's about whole shop.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: Hey, so Brandon, funny story. Now that you're twelve, I

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Speaker 3: dang it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. It's just it's so demeaning. Yeah, don't

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Speaker 1: demean yourself, folks. It's there's a cost to your soul.

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Speaker 1: It's difficult to quantify. I mean, is this job a

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Speaker 1: little demeaning, Yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: It is as demeaning is being eight months pregnant and

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Speaker 3: taking the high hard one for somebody for cash. No,

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Speaker 3: not that demeaning. Yeah, god, that's rough.

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Speaker 2: It's a rough line of work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, true.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We should try well, I guess we have it kind

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Speaker 3: of in uh Nevada at the Brothels. It's kind of legal, true, yesh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I ain't ben so, I don't know what it's like.

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Speaker 1: Belgium was the second country in the world, dude, to

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Speaker 1: criminalize prostitution, after New Zealand in two thousand and three.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 3: It's a little hygiene requirements, you say, I'm all for that.

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Speaker 2: Oh please?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as many as you, as many as you, all

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Speaker 1: of them, in favor of all of all exactly.

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Speaker 3: Well, which tupe ofware lives do you find hard to

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Speaker 3: open this email? Les? Second? Well, I guess that's it.