WEBVTT - 09/14/21 DPS Hour 2 Ryan Kartje 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.560 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.440 Sports Radio. Hey, it's hour or two on this Tuesday, 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:10.240 Dan and the Dan at stan Patrick Show. If you 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:14.640 went to bed after three quarters last night, understandable, but boy, 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:20.480 it was almost like three games in one crazy finish. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.320 But the Raiders pick up the wind beating the Ravens, 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:25.840 and then the Ravens have to turn around and then 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.600 next Sunday night hosts the Kansas City Chiefs eight seven 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.479 seven three d P show Email ADDRESSDP at dan Patrick 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.800 dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. Stay good morning 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:40.080 to our radio and TV partners, Peacock the Extreme, This 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.680 show all three hours, and our radio affiliates around the country, 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:47.720 our Heart Radio, Fox Sports Radio lineup. Fan bases arguably 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.440 have more power in college football than any other sport 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:55.080 Boosters help pay for programs, They help make decisions. Fans 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.120 are a loud enough to make the administration miserable if 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:00.840 they aren't on board with the coach. And that's what 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.160 happened this weekend when USC lost at home to Stanford, 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:09.240 Clay Helton he got fired. And I think it's surprising 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:11.959 he lasted as long as he did at USC. After 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.880 USC lost forty two twenty eight to Stanford. They had 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:19.400 had enough fired Helton. He started out with promise, helping 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:24.319 provide stability after the tumultuous exit from Steve Sarkisian, but 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.880 the team's been disappointing as of late, and those Pete 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:32.080 Carroll glory days are a long, long time ago. Haven't 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.920 been closed since Pete left. And there's no reason that 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:40.240 USC shouldn't be an elite team. Southern California can challenge 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.120 any area in the country when you think about it 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:46.200 for talent, but you have some marquee players, including quarterbacks, 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.960 who just aren't staying closer to home. You have an 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.080 associate head coach, Dante Williams, who takes over on an 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.640 interim basis, and maybe he can salvage what was once 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:59.120 a promising season. If not, back to the drawing board 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.440 for a program with high expectations and very very low 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:08.280 results as of late, this is it in the short term. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:12.520 That's a good problem to have. If Dante Williams, the 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:16.840 associate head coach, the interim head coach, does well, then 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:21.080 you're having a successful season. If I'm a USC fan, 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:25.760 how successful do I want my season to be? Because 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.839 I'm getting a new coach, or at least I think 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.359 I'm getting a new coach, because USC has done this before, 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.960 where you have somebody come in interim head coach. Players 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.400 like him, they play hard for him, and then all 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:42.480 of a sudden, you go, well, let's just promote him. 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.000 Usually you don't make a decision like this unless you 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:49.880 know what your next hire is going to be. Coaches 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:55.000 don't get fired in September. Really rare it happens. I 0:02:55.000 --> 0:03:01.040 mean it's not even officially fall. Now do you swing? 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:07.880 You swing for the fences, ground rule, double tape, major shot, 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:14.480 You go after Lane Kiffin? Do you go after do 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.680 you go after urban Meyer? They had gone after urban 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:24.200 Meyer before? Do you go after Luke Fickle? The Cincinnati 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.200 head coach who has ties to the current athletic director 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:33.239 at USC. Usually that's what happens a lot of these situations. 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:37.800 You connect the dots, and Luke Fickle, while not a 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:42.200 USC guy, mightn't be the guy for this program, done 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.920 a really good job at Cincinnati. And I always like 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:50.400 when they say, well he's a no nonsense guy. Who 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:55.640 is it a no nonsense guy who's a nonsense Hey, 0:03:55.680 --> 0:04:00.920 I'm not a no nonsense guy, you know, no curfew 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.920 have fun? Who cares? Let's have fun? Like I'm guessing 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.560 that you know you want to have a no nonsense 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.920 guy in there. How about a coach who is well 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:17.120 liked by the player, you know, like all these corny cliches, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.320 he players coach. He got to bring in a players 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:25.400 coach here. But I think you got an opportunity here. 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.760 You get a headstart on every other program that might 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.560 be replacing a coach. But I don't think you make 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.560 a decision like this without having an idea of who 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.120 you're going to bring in. Yeah, mclub, so didn't you 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:41.120 sell a basketball hired Cincinnati coach mccronin This feels like 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.320 the same exact hire in a weird way. I know 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.400 it doesn't. Just like a guy who's a really, really 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:50.240 well respected mid level coach. But fans do fans get 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.440 excited about that kind of thing. They probably won't with 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:57.400 Luke Fickle, but he's a really good coach. But I 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:02.080 don't know if Kenny can you recruit? Can you recruit 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:03.719 on the West code? Like? There's so many things that 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:05.800 go into this. It's not just boy, he's a great 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.440 football guy. It's a great football guy. How are you 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:13.200 with the media. How are you you know in southern California? 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.920 Can you recruit? Can you keep players? Are you going 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.279 to be a run a running team. Are you going 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.160 to get back to USC old school or are you're 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.599 gonna be wide open like you have been play small 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.640 ball as opposed to big You know, there's just so 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:32.080 many questions here, and you know, you have new president, 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.080 you have a new athletic director, like you know, everybody's 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:36.919 trying to figure this out so they don't make a 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:40.000 mistake like Pat Hayden has made before and Lynn Swan's 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:44.320 made before. You're you're you're promoting somebody. I mean, this 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.520 has really been a mess since Pete Carroll left, and 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:51.240 they were lucky to have Pete Carroll to begin with. Yeah, Paul, 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.280 I love the college football dance though, because if you're 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.080 the USC fltic director and you want Luke Vickle, you 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.120 have to back channel and talk to him because you 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.000 got to make sure if I offer you this job, 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:01.680 you're taking it. You're not going to get a raise 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.599 out of it, because the last thing you want is 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.640 Cincinnati head coach passes on USC job as a headline. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.320 You don't want that headline you can't have that, and 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.720 then because everyone in LA's be like he wouldn't leave 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.480 Cincinnati for USC. That's a bad day. You gotta avoid 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:22.920 that day. Well, we'll talk to Rick Neuheisel, former UCLA 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:24.479 head coach, will join us a little bit later on. 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.720 We'll check in with the Trojans coming up, and all 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.480 new season of the Peacock original comedy ap Bios streaming now. 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.080 Class back in session. Don't miss the outrageous new season 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.599 or binge the entire series from beginning only on Peacock. 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.760 Go to Peacock tv dot com to sign up now. McLevin, 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.440 the poll question we're going with with our two is 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:47.000 the most disappointing college program of late That's why I 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:51.960 put in. Okay, the choices are Florida State, Texas, USC, Michigan, 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.720 and Nebraska. Now, we've gotten a bunch of other tweets. 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.240 We got to Miami's and some Tennessee's. Okay, but I 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:03.920 capped it at five. Oh I'm supposed to guess Okay, Oh, 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.440 I don't know. Yeah, well I'll tell you who's leading. Okay, 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.720 Nebraska is just a little bit ahead of Michigan. Okay, 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.480 Michigan has done well, just not well enough, because you're 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:20.000 always going to be in the shadow of of Ohio State. Um, 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.360 you know, Texas, I guess is in the shadow of 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.840 Oklahoma or even Texas A and M as of recently, 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.200 usc who are you in the shadow of because UCLA 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:37.360 hasn't been good, Oregon or Washington or Stanford. It feels like, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.000 you know, depending on the year, you have a different 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.240 program that sort of emerges there. Florida State has been 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:47.040 disappointing for a while, and that used to be one 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.760 of those they were playing for a national championship or 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.600 at least in the conversation, Yeah, mclov and change a 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.880 poll question because it was the most disappointed college football 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.480 program in the past decade. Yeah, which would take Florida 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.680 State partially out of it. Florida was in the national 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.040 championship game and won it in twenty thirteen. They you know, 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.840 ten wins, thirteen wins, ten wins, and then Jimbo Fisher 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:08.920 went They had that seven and six year and got 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.560 the heck out of Dodge and took the cash down 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.120 in college station. Yeah, they had three coaches in four 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.480 years and they started this season and two ok they're 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.120 drastically bad. Yeah. Yeah, and they just lost to Jacksonville State. 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.240 Does that feel like a long time ago that Jamis 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:27.520 win sin Era Yeah yeah, but that's what happens in sports. 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.720 Like sometimes you go, like the Cubs, they haven't won 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:34.320 a World Series since twenty sixteen. It seems like that's forever. 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.760 They had a they had a bad century. Yes, MC club, 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:43.280 my Eagles, that was that was Yeah, it feels like 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.720 that too, Yeah, Seaton. But for somebody or someplace like 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.280 Texas to be that big and that powerful and also 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:54.960 that sort of irrelevant, yea, feels like something's really wrong there, 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.280 like they need to be they need to have more success. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.440 When's the last time Texas was relevant? Yeah? Bo When 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.120 they hired Tom Herman in twenty seventeen, he went ten 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.400 and four, went to the Sugar Bowl in eighteen and 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.600 it felt good for about eight minutes, and then they 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.400 went eight and five to seven and three. Eight gone though. 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.920 Mac Brown went in two thousand and nine, was thirteen 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.960 and one and lost the BCS National Title Game and 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.080 then it went it cooled off. Remember he had that 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:25.120 coaching waiting thing. Yeah, Will must Chant that went sour 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.839 and he stuck around. Yeah. A couple of phone calls here, 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.079 Bill win Florida leads this off this hour high Bill, 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:35.280 what's on your mind? Good morning from sunny Claire Water, Florida. 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:39.480 Dan and Danetts got a way in on USC and 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.720 also Manning Night Football. Okay, I think all USC needs 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.679 to do is wait till Urban gets fired or takes 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:51.600 one for the team and steps down. Okay. As far 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:55.599 as Manning Night Football, I watched it. I had to 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.640 go back to traditional after half an hour because I 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.160 got I wanted to see as the game not a 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:06.040 small little box. It's at different sections of the screen 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.520 every five or ten minutes. Yeah, I think it's a 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.679 great idea. I think they should do more of the 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.160 screen of the game and Peyton and Eli in the 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.840 boxes because they were funny as all hell. I mean, 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:22.080 Eli was given it and I really and I really 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.920 enjoyed and all the comments about Peyton's head were just 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:29.439 so funny. Yeah. I thought Eli got off a couple 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:33.960 of really good ones there. Thank you. Bill. Here's something 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.160 that you don't know about Peyton Manning, but I want 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.160 to tell you because last night I was in New 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.800 York City. I drove down with my wife for a 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.840 week a memorial for the woman who's responsible for the 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:50.439 spiece more a man. She had passed away and we 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.679 weren't able to hold a memorial due to COVID, and 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.280 we finally got everybody together that we could, and her 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.800 friends did a wonderful job. Well, Peyton has his debut 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.160 for Monday Night Football with Eli, but he thought so 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.000 much of this woman because of all the times that 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:12.960 Peyton was involved in the SP's and he really respected her, 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:18.600 loved her as a friend. Peyton and Eli came over 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.240 from New Jersey from Eli's house so they could come 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:26.000 in to the memorial and Peyton gave a speech that 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:32.120 was wonderful. Hartfelt he was emotional. So this is just 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.200 a couple of hours, an hour and a half before 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.560 he's going to make his debut on Monday Night Football. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.679 With what they're doing now, you can say, well, it's 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.320 casual settings with his brother. Still they want to do 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.280 it right, and knowing Peyton, he always wants to do 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.840 it right. But he came in and he said, look, 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:54.120 I wrote this speech a long time ago after Moura 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.439 passed away, and he wanted to make sure that he 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:04.199 was there and it was extremely moving. But you understood 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.520 that what this woman meant to not only the SPS, 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.920 but also to Peyton Manning that he would come in 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.319 and come in, you know, during rush hour to get 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.760 there to do this speech. And then he and Eli 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.160 left and went back so he could do his broadcast 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.280 last night. But it was it was a wonderful moment, 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.920 really was, and more meant Uh, a wonderful person will 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.120 be missed. A couple more phone calls here, then we'll 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.320 take a break. Grover in New Orleans? Hey Grover, what's 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:39.160 on your mind today? How you doing? One? The Rascal 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.360 fans probably for the most passionate about the full question. 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.480 Me personally, I think Florida State it was my mind. 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:46.199 I don't know why they just can't hit it together. 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:50.160 That's great tradition, but a couple of the USC So 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.040 what I think Lane Kiffin's no brainer for me personally, 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.040 I think they see they swallowed their private on that one. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.600 He's probably going to need like a tar mate claws 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.400 on a contract. But uh, what do you think about 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.319 them looking back at head order on and the trouble 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.760 he's in and if not, do you think it would 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.400 be leverage for it? Liked Order wanted to do a 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:12.560 less Miles leverage. Well, I think coachone needs to get 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.440 his team in order before he's having any leverage there. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.120 I always love less Miles. Was always up and felt 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.880 like for the Arkansas job every two years and be 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.800 like Arkansas interested in less Miles and then less Miles 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:29.080 get a raise. You you could count on it. It's like, uh, 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.120 less one ten games, he probably needs a raise there, 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.720 less Miles Intel, they're down here and they're in shouldn't 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.439 less Miles? And I'm like, he's gonna get a raise 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:42.760 and he's gonna stay. But a tarmac clause with Lane 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.040 kiffn Now, you can't fire him on the tarmac. I 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.000 don't know if there's ever been a tarmac clause in 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:52.360 a coaching contract, but I'm I don't know if you 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.360 can say I'm going to rule that person out. If 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:58.880 you're going to include Urban Meyer in this search, then 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.240 I'm going to include Layne Kiffin in this search. I mean, 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.920 might as well one more phone call then we'll take 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:10.840 a break. Wayne in Arizona High Wayne, Hey, Dan, how 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.880 are you doing? Uh? Um? Just a few things. I 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.719 like the uh the manning, the Manning Night Football. It 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:23.800 was very fresh to hear Peyton's analysis and Eli's jokes. 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.240 I'm a Giants and New York Giants football fan, so 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.560 anytime to see Eli get with with Peyton is a 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.840 good thing. Um. It seemed like it was more like 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.760 a you know, watching watching the show with your buddies. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.840 You know, I go down to the bar watching with 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.440 your buddies and you talk, you tell stories, and then 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.280 you watch the play and then you get your analysis. 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:47.160 And at the end there and overtime to watch Peyton 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.560 gripped at football like he was actually in the game 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.960 was pretty hilarious. Yeah, there were there were some fun 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.040 moments there and thanks for the phone call, Wayne, I 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.320 mean there were there. It this is just the first 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.520 time they were doing it. It'll evolve. I thought that 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.840 the sneaky part of it was you had Russell Wilson 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.560 and the fourth quarter and overtime, and you're going to 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.600 do this every single week now. I'm guessing Tom Brady 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.320 Who's going to be part of this? At some point 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.360 Brady has a bye week something, Brady will be there 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:24.120 with Peyton, Eline Barkley last night, Travis Kelsey. Kelsey's going 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.040 to join us on the program tomorrow. You know Travis 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.720 Kelsey didn't know he was playing the Ravens. Next weekend, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.920 he's watching the Ravens play, and he did not know 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.960 that the Chiefs were playing the raven That's somebody who 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.880 takes it one game at a time. A lot of 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:42.800 people tell you they're taking it one game at a time. 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.040 Travis Kelsey is taking it up one game at a time. Wait, 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.520 who we playing? Yeah, you guys are in Baltimore against 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:53.000 the Ravens. Oh okay, all right, who's usc targeting here? 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.920 Who should they target? Should Clay Helton have been fired 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.160 after week two? Try to answer those questions coming up? 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.160 Take a break seventeen after the hour. I'm glad you're 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.200 part of the program. Dan on the Dana's Dan Patrick's Show. 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.320 It's amazing. Discover matches all the cash bank you earn 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:10.760 on your credit card at the end of your first 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.200 year automatically. There's no limit on how much you can earn. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.480 And it's amazing. 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Be sure to catch us live every weekday 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.480 morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.880 Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on the 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:52.120 iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on the 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:56.360 Peacock app. Yes, Raider fans, we will dive back into 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.560 the wind last night against the Ravens. We'll hear from 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.480 a couple of people including John Bruden and Lamar Jackson. 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.639 Wild game last night, almost three games in one at 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.320 least it felt like that former UCLA head coach Rick 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.240 Neuheis will join us coming up in an hour from now. 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:16.160 Ryan Carchy covers USC for the La Times. Kind enough 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.520 to join us on what has to be a busy day, 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:23.640 probably busy a couple of days coming up here. Why now, 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:28.760 Why was Clay Helton fired after two games? I think 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.560 it was just made pretty clear in that Stanford defeat. 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.840 When you're down by more than four touchdowns in the 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:38.280 fourth quarter to a seventeen You're supposed to be a 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:42.719 seventeen point favorite. It was the most opsided loss at 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.800 the Colleseum ten unranked opponents since two thousand so, and 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.199 I think just the general vibe around the program, just 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:54.000 the frustration of this fan base. There are very few 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:58.119 fan bases I think that spend three years just completely 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.760 resolute in the fact that their coach be fired and 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.040 letting the administration know very clearly. So I think that 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.919 was in their heads, of course, and I think they 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:12.760 just realized that after putting behind Clay Helton, putting so 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.640 many resources and retooling the staff and changing the recruiting 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.199 behind Clay Helton, to see him come out with just 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.920 a demoralizing loss that basically showed all of the same 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.040 issues in the last several years, I think that was 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.040 just kind of a breaking point for them. What were 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:32.920 the expectations for this team. Well, the expectations, as they said, 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.880 have always been to get to a Pact Felt Championship 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.239 or to win a pack Felt Championship. And you know, 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:40.840 I think it was just pretty clear in that game 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.840 that they weren't going to do that. But now you know, 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.560 it was clear from the statement that Mike Bone, the 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.879 athletic director, put out yesterday that it's kind of a 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.720 national championship or bust attitude as they look for a 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.680 head coach, and you know, they're saying all the right 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:00.760 things in that sense. But you know, I think with 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:04.280 Clay Helton, the result, the fact of the matter was 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.760 he was just never going to reach that point. I think, 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.800 you know, this administration came to that realization, maybe a 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.199 little bit later than than some other people did. I 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.359 think there's it's fair to quibble with the fact that 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.719 they didn't just take care of this last year, but 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.359 there are other factors involved, namely his buyout. For a 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.400 long time, just given the fact that Lin Swan had 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.800 given an extension to Clay Helton after the twenty seventeen season, 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.320 if they would have fired him in twenty nineteen, it 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.680 would have been twenty million dollars of a buyout, so 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:36.600 that certainly played a part. That buyouts much smaller now, 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.000 so I think that certainly helps. But at a certain point, 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.399 you just reached that point where fans just aren't going 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.159 to show up and it's gonna affect you financially in 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.880 that way. Too. Yeah, and you go five and one, 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:51.280 you know, during the pandemic, and you can't fire him then. 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.919 But I was just surprised and your new athletic director 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.159 when he came in at least was fair, and you 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.280 would want that in your athletic director, to say, let 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.160 me just see what we have here, to be fair 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:05.760 to Clay Hilton. I was just surprised that lynn Swann 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:12.560 kept him right. That was certainly a sign of the 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.000 fact that lyn Swan didn't necessarily have the athletic director 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:19.320 experience that you need when you're at USC. And since 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.199 he's left it, it's been kind of clear, even just 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:24.520 talking to officials in the athletic department who were there 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.800 for both that it's just a stark change in professionalism. 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.680 For whatever you think about the football program, at least 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.360 Mike Bone has, you know, quite a bit of experience 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:36.600 when it comes to the administrative aspects of the job. 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.880 And you know, this will be the toughest test of 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.480 him being an athletic director and it'll be interesting, certainly 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.359 to see how that search plays out. But Ryan, you 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:48.639 have so much that's gone on at USC in the 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:52.320 last couple of years. We have the you know, operation 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:58.600 Varsity Blues. You have, you know, a sexual assault harassment 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:02.200 lawsuit against a camp was doctor. I mean, you didn't 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.800 have fans of the football games. There's a whole lot 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.800 going on here. It almost felt like they couldn't make 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:10.960 a move like this because they didn't want to add 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:14.920 to what was already going on. Would that be overstating 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:20.239 this maybe just some degree, although I do think like 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.480 all of those things play a factor obviously, and I think, 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.280 you know, it's an interesting sign of where the university 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:31.280 is that at that the leadership of the university looks 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:35.240 at the pandemic and the obvious deficit and financial issues 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.760 that come from that, and they say, you know, we 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.800 still need to get rid of Clay Helton, whether his 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.119 buyout is over ten million, whether we're gonna have to 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:47.200 pay you know, several million more to buy out to 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:49.639 members of his staff, or to buy out a new coach. 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:52.920 At a certain point, the bottom line that's being affected 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:57.840 by our football program is important enough to make that change. 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:00.720 But I do think, you know, with Clay Helton, it 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.960 always helped the fact that he was viewed as a 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.520 man of integrity. He was a consummate gentleman. You never 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:11.440 had to worry about just ethical issues at least at 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.800 a program level with Clay Helton in charge, and that 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:16.480 was the reason why he was hired in the first 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:21.320 place by Pat Hayden. You know, post Steve Sarkasian, Pat 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.199 Hayden kind of became taken with the fact that, you know, 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.359 this was a man of integrity who would be leading 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:29.359 us into a new era. We can put this Sarkeesian 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:33.680 era behind us. Obviously a pretty short sighted look at 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.320 how you hire your football coach, and that certainly played out. 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.080 But I think that when you look at the fact 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:42.720 that Clay Helton got six full seasons as the head coach, 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:44.440 I think it helped quite a bit that he was 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:46.520 kind of viewed as a man of integrity and people 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:50.480 generally liked him, including his players. Who should be the 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:54.760 next head coach at USC, you know that that's a 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:58.200