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Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so
Speaker 3: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I am
Speaker 3: convinced that our human journey is the toughest thing that
Speaker 3: our souls will have to deal with. It's bad enough
Speaker 3: that we live within our own minds, which don't always
Speaker 3: tell us positive things, do they. Many people deal with
Speaker 3: addiction of one kind or another. On our time together today,
Speaker 3: I want you to hear a near death experience of
Speaker 3: a gal who was an atheist, an alcoholic, and a
Speaker 3: drug user, and hear her story of recovery which did
Speaker 3: not happen immediately, but ultimately led her to feeling that
Speaker 3: love and guidance surrounds us all. Then we'll look at
Speaker 3: addiction and does it go with us to the afterlife.
Speaker 3: I think you know the answer to that, but I
Speaker 3: want you to hear the words from mister Eric through
Speaker 3: the trance mediumship of Scott Milligan. Then we'll continue with
Speaker 3: another tough question, what to do if a loved one
Speaker 3: isn't speaking with us. And at the end we're going
Speaker 3: to hear some words on what it is like from
Speaker 3: spirit side when our bodies die and we crossed the
Speaker 3: bridge into the afterlife. Let's start off with the story
Speaker 3: of Louisa Peck.
Speaker 4: I come from a family I had a lot of
Speaker 4: good gifts in it. My mother knows a lot about
Speaker 4: art history and classical music, and my dad was a.
Speaker 5: Professor at the university and really successful in his field.
Speaker 4: We were taught that God was something superstitious from the past,
Speaker 4: that science had since proven to be a bunch of silliness,
Speaker 4: and any kind of spiritual stuff was people's way of
Speaker 4: comforting themselves because they were afraid of reality. My father
Speaker 4: was a wine kinnisseur, but he also was an alcoholic,
Speaker 4: and I'm an alcoholic as well.
Speaker 5: We learned to focus on all the good stuff, and.
Speaker 4: Anything bad that you didn't want other people to know
Speaker 4: about just didn't exist.
Speaker 5: You just get rid of it. So I grew up
Speaker 5: having to.
Speaker 4: Excel, and it wasn't enough to get all a's, and
Speaker 4: it wasn't enough to be a good vallet dancer. And
Speaker 4: when I was a teenager, I developed an obsessive compulsive disorder,
Speaker 4: and I just hid that from the world.
Speaker 5: I hit it from everyone. It haunted me because I couldn't.
Speaker 4: Believe, when I was my normal, integratedself, that I kept
Speaker 4: doing these things that were so horrible to me. So
Speaker 4: I made a big vault in my mind where I
Speaker 4: could hide stuff the world couldn't see. And so I
Speaker 4: went to a vassar and I was five by to Kaba.
Speaker 4: Lots of awards, and when that was over, I didn't
Speaker 4: know how to keep excelling. So I moved to New
Speaker 4: York City, and this is where I had my NDE.
Speaker 4: I hadn't had a date in high school. Nobody wanted
Speaker 4: to date me. So in New York, I was going
Speaker 4: to make up for all that, and I was going
Speaker 4: to be a nightclub queen. I had a boyfriend in Houston,
Speaker 4: and I moved to New York to be closer to
Speaker 4: the cheating boyfriend who was in Boston. So I broke
Speaker 4: up with the Houston boyfriend. But before I got back
Speaker 4: together with the cheating boyfriend, I went out with his
Speaker 4: best friend. Morally, I was kind of not very together,
Speaker 4: and I was also a budding alcoholic. What I thought
Speaker 4: is I could just get high enough, if I could
Speaker 4: just dance well enough, it would come together and I.
Speaker 5: Would finally feel like I was enough.
Speaker 4: So we went to this nightclub and we did a
Speaker 4: whole lot of cocaine and.
Speaker 5: Drank a lot.
Speaker 4: I was almost where I wanted to be. We decided
Speaker 4: to buy some more, so we look around the club
Speaker 4: in New York and we scraped together. I think it
Speaker 4: was fifty bucks, and there was this ceed guy, and
Speaker 4: he said, yeah, I've got stuff, so we bought it.
Speaker 4: And I didn't know it at the time, but since
Speaker 4: I've been sober in a twelve step group, I have
Speaker 4: a lot of friends who used to deal drugs, and
Speaker 4: they told me that was lydocane, not cocaine, and it's
Speaker 4: a thing sort of related to novacane that numbs you
Speaker 4: when you put it on your lips, so you think
Speaker 4: it's coke when you're buying it. So we did some
Speaker 4: of this and it did nothing, no high. So being
Speaker 4: a good addict, I'm like, well, I'll just do it
Speaker 4: all because it's not working. So I snorted however much
Speaker 4: he sold us. I first began to notice that I
Speaker 4: was developing tunnel vision. What lydokine does is it shuts
Speaker 4: down a lot of your automatic nervous system. So my
Speaker 4: heart was beginning to shut down, my breathing was beginning
Speaker 4: to shut down. My brain wasn't getting enough oxygen. So
Speaker 4: this tunnel began to close.
Speaker 5: I went in the bathroom.
Speaker 4: I was waiting in line, and I realized I couldn't
Speaker 4: read the graffiti at all, and I began to get
Speaker 4: a little scared because it was getting so dark.
Speaker 5: So I came out and I went to my friend
Speaker 5: and I said, there's no air in here.
Speaker 4: I was breathing hard at that point, but my heart
Speaker 4: was probably down to like thirty twenty eats a minute,
Speaker 4: and nothing was getting to my brain. So he said,
Speaker 4: maybe you just need a glass of water.
Speaker 5: Like there's no air. There's no air.
Speaker 4: Most normal people would think something's wrong with my brain,
Speaker 4: but I thought, wow, there's a new effect of coke
Speaker 4: that I didn't even know about.
Speaker 5: Wow, I'm getting some wicked tunnel vision here.
Speaker 4: And so I wasn't afraid until it started to get
Speaker 4: so dark that I was having trouble seeing, and I
Speaker 4: was having so much trouble getting breath that it felt
Speaker 4: like I was suffocating. I went out and I found
Speaker 4: my friend and I said, I can't breathe.
Speaker 5: Something's wrong. There's no air down here.
Speaker 4: The nightclub we were in was in a basement, so
Speaker 4: I just felt like it was all breathed up. He said,
Speaker 4: we'll get you some water, which I didn't want, and
Speaker 4: I took me to the bar and the bartender said, here,
Speaker 4: here's a glass of water. I took it and I
Speaker 4: raised it to my lips and it was right at
Speaker 4: the point when I took a sip that I left
Speaker 4: my body, that I had collapsed and hit my chin
Speaker 4: on the bar, because it seemed that I flew up
Speaker 4: in the air, straight up in the air, and it
Speaker 4: felt wonderful, and I forgot all about the nightclub, and
Speaker 4: I forgot all about not being able to breathe. And
Speaker 4: I was in the blue, open sky and I was
Speaker 4: shooting up and I thought, I'm going to do a
Speaker 4: swan dive back, and so I curved my back and
Speaker 4: I did this beautiful overarching dive, and then below me,
Speaker 4: I saw the ocean and it was blue and it
Speaker 4: just went to the horizons, which didn't worry me either.
Speaker 4: I was getting ready to dive in. I thought, I
Speaker 4: am coming from awful high. This could hurt, and it
Speaker 4: might go so deep I can't get to the surface.
Speaker 4: That's the only fear I ever felt. On the other
Speaker 4: side was like, this could be tricky.
Speaker 5: So I dive in. I'm under the water.
Speaker 4: It doesn't hurt at all, and I look up and
Speaker 4: I see this beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 5: Dappling surface.
Speaker 4: And then I look around and I see the shore
Speaker 4: and I want to be there, and I'm there, no problem,
Speaker 4: which doesn't seem weird.
Speaker 5: It doesn't seem weird that I want to be somewhere.
Speaker 5: And then I'm there.
Speaker 4: And then I'm on the beach and I look down
Speaker 4: and I see down maybe about five hundred feet from me,
Speaker 4: there's a messa coming up out on the beach. Like
Speaker 4: everything else has been eroded away, but this messa and
Speaker 4: this old house it's up on top of it. And
Speaker 4: I think, I know that house. That's something to do
Speaker 4: with me, So I want to get to it, and
Speaker 4: I'm there. I go in, and I remember I was
Speaker 4: traveling low over the floor, and I could see it
Speaker 4: was all this old wood that had been pounded, and
Speaker 4: I knew it was by my ancestors.
Speaker 5: I knew all my ancestors. We all came through this.
Speaker 4: Same house, and they had worn the wood over time
Speaker 4: to this fine powder. And I felt so honored to
Speaker 4: be there. I felt they could see me. I felt
Speaker 4: they were proud of me. I could not see them.
Speaker 4: The one presence I sensed really strongly was my father's father,
Speaker 4: and he's the only one who died before I was born.
Speaker 4: I'd only seen his picture in my dad's closet, but he.
Speaker 5: Was really glad.
Speaker 4: I was there, and there was this picture window that
Speaker 4: overlooked the ocean. So as I got closer to it,
Speaker 4: something caught me up and picked me up, and I
Speaker 4: was sailing over that dabbling path that the sun puts
Speaker 4: across the ocean. I went real low over it, and
Speaker 4: I was flying right over the ocean.
Speaker 5: I wanted it to go on forever.
Speaker 4: But the sun got bigger and bigger, and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, I realized, holy crap, I'm gonna go into
Speaker 4: the sun. And again it wasn't fear. It was just like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to go in the sun. That's crazy. And
Speaker 4: then I'm in the sun and it's a brilliant, brilliant
Speaker 4: white light and warmth and love all at once. It's
Speaker 4: like everything I had wanted all my life to feel
Speaker 4: that I was loved, to feel that I was you know,
Speaker 4: I had it all of a sudden, and it came
Speaker 4: from this being that was like a parent. It seemed
Speaker 4: that seemed to beholding me, cradling me and loving me
Speaker 4: like I was an infant or baby, and just pouring
Speaker 4: you are so loved, You are so loved, And it
Speaker 4: felt so good.
Speaker 5: But I didn't hear anything. It was just intense, brilliant light,
Speaker 5: warmth and love until I just sort of wasn't even
Speaker 5: thinking you love me, I love you.
Speaker 4: We was just love is. There was nothing to want.
Speaker 4: It's hard to describe. It's impossible. I've heard many people try.
Speaker 4: It can't so I don't know how long I stayed there,
Speaker 4: But all of a sudden a parent said you're not done,
Speaker 4: or says by telepathy, you don't hear the words, but
Speaker 4: you get the idea. It says you can't stay You're
Speaker 4: not done. And I said no, and it went from
Speaker 4: light to black, complete black, and.
Speaker 5: I screamed no, no.
Speaker 4: I don't have a voice, but I was like an infant,
Speaker 4: just throwing a freaking temper trantrum. And the parent left
Speaker 4: me with sort of an afterglow of like I still
Speaker 4: love you.
Speaker 5: By's a done deal.
Speaker 4: So then I had a split second of fear, like
Speaker 4: I'm in total darkness. And then these still stick figures
Speaker 4: showed up. They were like white figures on a blackboard,
Speaker 4: and they were doing little cartwheels and jumps and spins.
Speaker 4: There were maybe like six or twelve of them. I
Speaker 4: can't say, but I thought, okay, this is a toy
Speaker 4: that the parent left me to keep me entertained until
Speaker 4: I go back, so I'll just watch.
Speaker 5: So they were saying these little rhymes like how.
Speaker 4: Many hippos make the hopscotch or you know, they just
Speaker 4: didn't make any sense.
Speaker 5: And then one of them got closer and bigger, and
Speaker 5: the face filled in solid and it was saying, what
Speaker 5: is your name? How manys? And I remembered, oh man,
Speaker 5: I'm in the world. Oh no, this is.
Speaker 4: Terrible, and I thought, I know what he wants me
Speaker 4: to do, but it's so stupid.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna do that. He wants me to make
Speaker 5: that burpy air.
Speaker 4: Stuff come out and move that loafy thing and supposed
Speaker 4: to make these sounds. And I'm in the meat puppet
Speaker 4: and I'm not having it. But then what are you
Speaker 4: going to do? So my old desire to please came back,
Speaker 4: and I said Luisa, And I was back in the world,
Speaker 4: and I realized all the stick figures with people, and
Speaker 4: I had sweat like a pool, and I thought that
Speaker 4: someone throwing water all over me. I was soaking wet.
Speaker 4: They asked me if I could stand up. I was
Speaker 4: like a child. I thought something really fun and silly
Speaker 4: had happened.
Speaker 5: But everybody was staring at me. I didn't understand. I died.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back with more of Louis's and near
Speaker 3: death experience. You're listening to Shades of the Air Afterlife
Speaker 3: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Speaker 3: Let's continue with Louisa's story from flatlining in a nightclub
Speaker 3: to the after effects that have her believing.
Speaker 4: Seemed like we all went upstairs and we all went
Speaker 4: out on the street we were on in the village,
Speaker 4: and we sat down on this bench, and this man
Speaker 4: came over and he said, you were dead. You were
Speaker 4: gone for three minutes, and I was doing CPR on
Speaker 4: you that whole time. So I asked my friend, I said,
Speaker 4: what are we waiting for? He said an ambulance.
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, And then I'm like, wait a second,
Speaker 5: who's it for. It's for you? You were dead, And
Speaker 5: so my brain started to work again.
Speaker 4: I thought, okay, ambulance means hospital means parents find out
Speaker 4: that I was doing cocaine, means a whole lot of trouble.
Speaker 4: And there were a bunch of cabs right in front
Speaker 4: of us. I said, can we just go? And so
Speaker 4: he didn't want to get in trouble either, so we
Speaker 4: just kind of jumped in a cab. I remember a
Speaker 4: bunch of people chased after us, like hey, hey, and
Speaker 4: we just took.
Speaker 5: Off and I never saw a doctor. When we got
Speaker 5: back to.
Speaker 4: My apartment where I left in my roommate, I wanted
Speaker 4: a drink and they wouldn't let me have one.
Speaker 5: I was really ticked off about that.
Speaker 4: In the morning, when I woke up, I remembered the
Speaker 4: whole thing, and I remembered that feeling of being loved
Speaker 4: so much. I told my roommate the whole story. But
Speaker 4: I was a really intense atheist. I I had written
Speaker 4: my senior thesis at Vassa about the advent of modernism
Speaker 4: and how the Anglican Church had fallen.
Speaker 5: People had finally awoken to the mythical nature of.
Speaker 4: God, and anybody who's believed in God talked about God.
Speaker 5: It just kissed me. Ah. We discovered I had some
Speaker 5: brain damage. I wasn't concerned. I was brain damage, main damage, whatever.
Speaker 5: Then I wrote the whole thing down in a journal.
Speaker 4: I read it aloud over the phone to my sister,
Speaker 4: like this crazy drug trip. And then I eventually got
Speaker 4: with that boyfriend, and I also read it to him
Speaker 4: over the phone.
Speaker 5: I would not ask them to believe that I really
Speaker 5: went anywhere.
Speaker 4: I only told the story as just an example of
Speaker 4: an amazing hallucination I had with cocaine.
Speaker 5: I kept it like that for a long time. I
Speaker 5: would have left it.
Speaker 4: There was just this weird thing that happened to me
Speaker 4: that had no meaning because I'd never heard of a
Speaker 4: near death experience.
Speaker 5: I'd never heard of white.
Speaker 4: Light, except that paranormal after effects started to happen to me.
Speaker 4: And a lot of people don't know that there are
Speaker 4: paranormal after effects that come with an NDE.
Speaker 5: Something has been ruptured so that you get.
Speaker 4: New awarenesses of energy that you didn't have before. I
Speaker 4: may have missed stuff or denied stuff that happened. Was
Speaker 4: five years before my first weird thing happened. I've since
Speaker 4: written my autobiography, and so I enumerated the number of
Speaker 4: weird things that happened that gradually broke down my atheism,
Speaker 4: or fourteen weird things. So the first weird thing doesn't
Speaker 4: happen till nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 5: And it was a whopper. I was on the.
Speaker 4: Beach at Gloucester in Massachusetts early in the morning, in
Speaker 4: the middle of a storm, and there was some romance
Speaker 4: thing that wasn't worth looking out for me at this
Speaker 4: party I had gone to. So I went out in
Speaker 4: the storm alone in the morning, and I'm walking along
Speaker 4: the beach and this old man comes out of these
Speaker 4: dunes where there's no houses, there's no nothing. I'm like,
Speaker 4: wonder what he was doing in there because there's no
Speaker 4: development there. And he's also wearing all this vintage fisherman gear.
Speaker 4: I'm like, wow, I wonder where he got that old stuff.
Speaker 4: And I'm all into vintage clothes, so I'm just gonna say,
Speaker 4: I really like your rain gear.
Speaker 5: We get closer and closer. He doesn't look at me.
Speaker 5: He doesn't look at me. He doesn't look at me.
Speaker 4: He crosses right in front of me, and right when
Speaker 4: he's there, I say, how's it going, And he didn't
Speaker 4: look at me.
Speaker 5: He moves his eye a little bit. They're kind of.
Speaker 4: Bloodshot, and he moves it a little, but he just
Speaker 4: keeps walking. So I guess kept walking and I got
Speaker 4: all the ways and I thought, you know what a
Speaker 4: jerk man, what a high school thing.
Speaker 5: To like, not even say hy, not even look at me?
Speaker 5: What is up with him? So I turned around to
Speaker 5: look and he wasn't there.
Speaker 4: And I spent some time trying to figure out if
Speaker 4: he had dove into the waves, and wouldn't his hat
Speaker 4: at least come up, wouldn't there be some sign?
Speaker 5: Eventually I said, okay, I'm going to figure this out.
Speaker 4: I went back and I looked for tracks, and there
Speaker 4: were only my tracks.
Speaker 5: I freaked out and I looked.
Speaker 4: For as long as I could look until it was
Speaker 4: really clear there's only my tracks, only my tread, only me.
Speaker 4: And then I went back to the house and people
Speaker 4: were starting to wake up from the debauchery of the
Speaker 4: night before, and my friend, who owned.
Speaker 5: The house, she said, oh man, this ghosts all over Gloucester.
Speaker 5: You just saw a Gloucester ghost. There's like a thousand names.
Speaker 4: Down at the wharf of fishermen who died at sea,
Speaker 4: and he had been staring out at the horizon like
Speaker 4: he was looking for a ship. But I just wasn't
Speaker 4: having it. It could not have been a ghost. There
Speaker 4: has to be an explanation. So I made my boyfriend
Speaker 4: come and look for me, he was actually I guess
Speaker 4: my husband then no tracks, and so there's two things.
Speaker 4: You know, everybody's thinking you're crazy. You know you saw
Speaker 4: what you saw, and you know you cannot explain it,
Speaker 4: so it goes in the vault. John didn't happen. The
Speaker 4: next weird thing came. How many years later? That was
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty seven. There would be nineteen ninety three, a
Speaker 4: long time again. My brother and his wife were expecting
Speaker 4: a baby, and I knew the baby was going to die.
Speaker 5: I knew that my.
Speaker 4: Brother would have intense grief. It would be because his
Speaker 4: son had died. So I was waiting for a miscarriage.
Speaker 4: Miscarriage didn't happen. We met for lunch a few days
Speaker 4: before the baby was born, and the feeling was so strong,
Speaker 4: and I thought, this is more than pessimism, This is
Speaker 4: more than mari. This is like, I know his pain
Speaker 4: is going to be intense. Do I say something?
Speaker 5: What do you say? Do you say your baby's going
Speaker 5: to die? I don't know when, I don't know how,
Speaker 5: but bohere are you going to be bummed?
Speaker 4: I mean, what do you say? So I said nothing.
Speaker 4: When he called me. You didn't even have to say
Speaker 4: what had happened, And the feeling I had was this
Speaker 4: tremendous guilt. Not that I hadn't seen anything, but my
Speaker 4: mind was blown.
Speaker 5: Away by the fact that I had known.
Speaker 4: Rather than just grieving for my brother, all I wanted
Speaker 4: to feel was grief for the baby.
Speaker 5: But you feel this, Oh my god, I knew it
Speaker 5: and it happened.
Speaker 4: So all this time, I'm an alcoholic and I'm trying
Speaker 4: to be like my father. I'm a successful teacher and
Speaker 4: so forth, but I'm also drinking. But eventually I did
Speaker 4: hit bottom and there were more weird things around that
Speaker 4: drove extremely drunk one night, and when I got home
Speaker 4: and I was kind of like reveling the fact that
Speaker 4: I was such a great drunk driver and I'd gotten home,
Speaker 4: something hit me like a thought taser, and it said,
Speaker 4: this is the last time I can help you. And
Speaker 4: I heard it and it took away all my revelry
Speaker 4: and it just made me look at what I was doing.
Speaker 4: Another one of those came when I was very close
Speaker 4: to relapsing. I would be thinking one thing, I would
Speaker 4: be in one mood, and then zap, this different presence
Speaker 4: would get me. I did get sober, and I went
Speaker 4: to a twelve step group and they had steps on
Speaker 4: the wall. We got in and I was still an
Speaker 4: atheist in spite of what had happened. I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm not doing those things we got in. I'm having
Speaker 4: nothing to do with it. People in the program would
Speaker 4: talk about God and I'd be.
Speaker 5: Like, shut up, I hate that stuff.
Speaker 4: Even though I knew in my vaulted part of me
Speaker 4: that there was a God in at some part of
Speaker 4: it spoken to me. The weird things kept coming, and
Speaker 4: they were so undeniable. The greatest one was around my
Speaker 4: sister's death. I actually helped my sister cross over. She
Speaker 4: was dying of breast cancer. They had told us she
Speaker 4: had two weeks to live. I was waiting in the
Speaker 4: hospital room and a voice said to me, tell her
Speaker 4: about the light.
Speaker 5: She's afraid. I was like no, And when I'd.
Speaker 4: Closed my eyes, I could feel the light starting to
Speaker 4: fill the room. I could feel the light starting to
Speaker 4: pool around her body. And I'd opened my eyes and
Speaker 4: look and these eyes didn't see anything, and I'd be
Speaker 4: there's nothing there, and she's going.
Speaker 5: To live two weeks.
Speaker 4: And it just kept building until finally I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'll do it, and so I went to her and
Speaker 4: I knelt down by her, and I described the light
Speaker 4: as I remembered it.
Speaker 6: I said, it'll be all around you. She believed in Jesus,
Speaker 6: so I said, Jesus will be with you. You'll go
Speaker 6: with him, You'll be unfolded in his love, and you'll
Speaker 6: know so much happiness. She wasn't conscious, but she had
Speaker 6: told me in a previous phone call that she could hear,
Speaker 6: even under the morphine, every word people said.
Speaker 5: So I just went with it.
Speaker 4: And when I was done, I went and I sat down,
Speaker 4: and then twenty minutes later, she hemorrhaged and she died.
Speaker 4: At first, when she hemorrhaged, my brother and I were
Speaker 4: freaking out. We were running all over the place trying
Speaker 4: to get help. When the doctor said she's died. Her
Speaker 4: heart is still beating, but it'll stop. I wanted to
Speaker 4: kill the doctor. And then something came from outside and
Speaker 4: it was my sister, and she was saying, I'm fine,
Speaker 4: I'm great, and then I began to feel her hovering
Speaker 4: in the hospital room. Now by this time, it's nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety seven. I've seen the movie Ghosts. I've heard of
Speaker 4: white light experiences and I've heard of out of body experiences,
Speaker 4: and I've.
Speaker 5: Heard of people hovering.
Speaker 4: All this stuff is in popular culture, and I don't
Speaker 4: believe in popular culture. Yet my sister is hovering, and
Speaker 4: I can feel her telling me that she's fine, loving
Speaker 4: us all with that same kind of love, and she
Speaker 4: filled me with it.
Speaker 5: She filled me with the light again.
Speaker 4: And so how inappropriate is that to be in the
Speaker 4: hospital room where your sister just died and you're filled
Speaker 4: with joy because she's filled with joy. I couldn't tell anyone.
Speaker 4: When we got home to her house where the family was.
Speaker 4: My sister met me at the door, and I wanted
Speaker 4: to tell her so much, and I was still just
Speaker 4: filled up with this jubilation that she was with God
Speaker 4: and that I was sort of with God right now too.
Speaker 4: When I went home and I realized what had happened,
Speaker 4: that's when I got that God is here all the time.
Speaker 4: And that's when the vault opened and all this stuff
Speaker 4: I let it be. I remember crying and praying and saying,
Speaker 4: you know you're here, You're.
Speaker 5: Here, I know you're here. I began to just pray.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that God is anything that religion has
Speaker 4: represented it to be. I don't call it a he.
Speaker 4: I don't call it a she. The closest I think
Speaker 4: we have asn't they, because I believe we all have
Speaker 4: guardian angels, and that God is this network of energy
Speaker 4: outside of bodies, a network of energy that's all interconnected.
Speaker 4: Life is an energy that can either be invested in
Speaker 4: matter or it can be out in the world. And
Speaker 4: that's when my life began to change.
Speaker 3: We'll take a quick break and we'll be back and
Speaker 3: hear a few more words from Louisa, and here from
Speaker 3: the spirit world about addiction. You're listening to Shades of
Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. I want to play a few more
Speaker 3: minutes of Louisa, she's now in recovery eighteen years, and
Speaker 3: then we'll hear from the spirit world on addiction.
Speaker 4: I'd been in a twelve step program and you were
Speaker 4: supposed to help others, but I didn't really feel comfortable
Speaker 4: helping others.
Speaker 5: It had been some barrier and that broke.
Speaker 4: On a specific day, there was a guy I was
Speaker 4: obsessed with but he was also in the program, and
Speaker 4: he was trying to teach me a different way to live.
Speaker 5: After a meeting one day.
Speaker 4: I tried to stalk him to a place to eat.
Speaker 4: He kept inviting people to come sit at our table,
Speaker 4: and he left at some point.
Speaker 5: I didn't even notice. I was having so much fun.
Speaker 4: And when I left the restaurant alone, I said, God,
Speaker 4: I'm having trouble with this obsession thing. I really don't
Speaker 4: want it. Can you teach me a different way to live?
Speaker 4: And I said, I'll make a deal with you. Got
Speaker 4: every time somebody annoys me at a meeting, I will
Speaker 4: go up to them right after the meeting and I
Speaker 4: will stick out my hand and I'll say I'm Luisa,
Speaker 4: and I'll find out three things about them. And if
Speaker 4: I do this, you take away mer obsession. And that's
Speaker 4: what happened. For a long time. I'd go to meetings
Speaker 4: and people would talk and they'd annoy me, and I'd be, Oh,
Speaker 4: I have to go learn three things about her that
Speaker 4: would become my friend.
Speaker 5: Another person.
Speaker 4: You know, it talks, that's all people who do stuff
Speaker 4: I do do stuff I do. It annoys me. Then
Speaker 4: when I meet them, we're just the same until we
Speaker 4: get along or there's some aspect of us is the same.
Speaker 4: So I went from being in this twelve step program
Speaker 4: for so many years with only a small group of
Speaker 4: friends to knowing everyone and having hundreds of friends and
Speaker 4: being able to help people and getting sponsores. And I
Speaker 4: began to get that God happens when I love you,
Speaker 4: That God happens in every connection between people, even the
Speaker 4: slightest kindness.
Speaker 5: So I began to actually cultivate kindness. It's not that hard,
Speaker 5: it's not that baky.
Speaker 4: It's not like can I say, you know, It's like
Speaker 4: every person I crossed paths with, I can use that
Speaker 4: for an opportunity to generate a little bit of God.
Speaker 5: If I leave them.
Speaker 4: A little happier than I encountered them, I'm doing what
Speaker 4: I'm here for. Three and a half weeks ago, I
Speaker 4: got a diagnosis of breast cancer. And I had had
Speaker 4: a party plan for my eighteen years sober, and all
Speaker 4: my friends came. When I discovered I was holdly I
Speaker 4: have to have a lumpectomy instead of a mass sectomy.
Speaker 4: I made it an eighteen years sober and keep my
Speaker 4: boob party. So like sixty friends from the program, showed
Speaker 4: up and they were singing Happy Birthday to me, and
Speaker 4: I have really embarrassed all these people everyone's singing to me.
Speaker 4: And then one of those voices came and it said,
Speaker 4: you know, these people love you.
Speaker 5: You couldn't be more safe. Just love and be loved,
Speaker 5: and so I let go of my self consciousness.
Speaker 3: Lots of good advice in there, including cultivate kindness, love
Speaker 3: and be loved, and that includes being loving to oneself.
Speaker 3: Louisa put her autobiography together, which is now a book
Speaker 3: called Diehard Atheist. If you're a longtime listener, you know
Speaker 3: many fridays I host something called in the Arms of Eternity,
Speaker 3: which is a healing and trance medium demonstration with Scott Milligan.
Speaker 3: The voice you're about to hear is through trance speaking.
Speaker 5: This is a.
Speaker 3: Gentleman I've known for eight years named mister Eric, who
Speaker 3: passed at the end of the eighteen hundreds. This is
Speaker 3: a question that was asked about addiction and if it
Speaker 3: accompanies us to the afterlife. The question is, Eric, do
Speaker 3: we take problems of addiction with us to the afterlife
Speaker 3: If we don't deal with those issues here on this
Speaker 3: side of the veil, there seems to be a strong
Speaker 3: spiritual component to issues such as substance abuse.
Speaker 1: You well, I must say to you bit the addiction
Speaker 1: is with the physical body because what it jests then
Speaker 1: releases chemicals that brings pleasure to it or causes it
Speaker 1: to destroy itself. You will bring the memory with you.
Speaker 1: It is a memory if you wish to carry, or
Speaker 1: you may disregard. Because, my friend, if someone is crippled
Speaker 1: with addiction, and when we look at this word addiction,
Speaker 1: many of us think straight away of what can be ingested.
Speaker 1: But love can be addiction, Fascination can be addiction. But
Speaker 1: if you are talking about substance that can be ingested
Speaker 1: that destroys the lives of other people around them, then
Speaker 1: let us keep upon this topic. If it is the
Speaker 1: body that has fallen in love with this chemical that
Speaker 1: brings the soul and experience, then it will continue until
Speaker 1: the mortel death. Sometimes people are strong enough to be
Speaker 1: taken away from that environment so that they know what
Speaker 1: it was before they knew of that product. The soul
Speaker 1: has come to the earth to find identity, but to
Speaker 1: experience emotion and all capacity along the way. As we
Speaker 1: have said numerous times that the young man the one
Speaker 1: we use seems to take offency with the devil's brew
Speaker 1: alcohol that I myself was told it was against my
Speaker 1: religious understandings. For I myself in prayer and of course
Speaker 1: doing my communion, and of course my duty would find
Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit. My faith was the addiction that caused
Speaker 1: me to become twisted and bitter against other people that
Speaker 1: may choose a different path, That have I not already
Speaker 1: shown that I myself have changed my way. Many people
Speaker 1: that come to our side of life that had burden,
Speaker 1: the weight of burden is removed from them. But if
Speaker 1: they wish and motivate themselves to be a guiding thought
Speaker 1: to someone here upon earth that may be following in
Speaker 1: foots steps, then they themselves will try to inspire and
Speaker 1: to intervene. Many civilizations have used natural remedies to commune
Speaker 1: with the soul called dead, moving away from control to
Speaker 1: lose control. These individuals have gained this knowledge that has
Speaker 1: been passed from generation to generation, and therefore their bodies
Speaker 1: will react in the most perfect manner. But then others
Speaker 1: have chosen to try to ingest what the body itself
Speaker 1: cannot hold, and therefore their reaction will be different. Will
Speaker 1: it make them more spiritual, well, only you can decide.
Speaker 1: Does it make them more alien to their kinship? Then
Speaker 1: yes it does. It is a terrible thing, you know,
Speaker 1: when you see someone who you care for begin to
Speaker 1: fade from view, even though they physically stand there. You
Speaker 1: can see that the light of who they are is
Speaker 1: slowly leaving them, leaving the physical body as they begin
Speaker 1: to walk between the two worlds, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they find both feet in our reality. Once again.
Speaker 1: Those in my world are more confident, more capable, more understanding,
Speaker 1: will be called to service as we are called to
Speaker 1: then give healing and love to those who are left behind.
Speaker 1: You will see within your modern world that those things
Speaker 1: will become alreadily available due to the poison of the
Speaker 1: very thing that is allowing my words to be carried
Speaker 1: to your residence. We have also seen the addiction of
Speaker 1: young minds to technology, but also begins to poison. Allows
Speaker 1: the body to not move so fluid. That causes then
Speaker 1: the joints to see, the bones to weaken, the organs
Speaker 1: to become heavy. So in some way, it is a
Speaker 1: fine knife that will cut through Your world has become
Speaker 1: dependent upon this modern technology, and we within the world
Speaker 1: that awaits you are using the very thing for our
Speaker 1: world to continue to talk with you. The younger minds
Speaker 1: of your world are falling more dependent upon this technology
Speaker 1: through the Devil's box of your televisions. Show how accessible
Speaker 1: it is, how glitter and glad that everyone must have it.
Speaker 1: Surely it is better to have someone without it and
Speaker 1: say I am not following the herd, I being my
Speaker 1: own person. We should all learn to love one another out,
Speaker 1: my friends. Everyone must make a choice. It is up
Speaker 1: to you if you wish, but you will not carry
Speaker 1: it within our reality. You'll carry the knowledge that will
Speaker 1: benefit the minds of Manday, but what is not important
Speaker 1: will fail away and you'll never hear or speak of
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 3: If you're dealing with addiction yourself or have a loved
Speaker 3: one who is dealing with addiction, there is help out there.
Speaker 3: One of the most important things to do is to
Speaker 3: realize what's in your control and what's out of your control.
Speaker 3: Do as much research as you can on how the
Speaker 3: brain operates, give yourself some compassion for what you're dealing with,
Speaker 3: and please reach out to others to help. We human
Speaker 3: beings need others, don't we And it's much easier going
Speaker 3: through something together than alone. We're going to head into
Speaker 3: our next break and when we come back, we'll hear
Speaker 3: more from mister Eric on another tough subject. This one
Speaker 3: is if someone close to you is no longer speaking
Speaker 3: to you, how we survive that and what it's like
Speaker 3: to over into the afterlife. You're listening to Shades of
Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. Did you know that one in three
Speaker 3: people are not talking to a loved one could be
Speaker 3: no fault of your own. Just recently, this question was asked.
Speaker 3: If you have an only son who has abandoned his
Speaker 3: parents who have done everything for him, how can you
Speaker 3: heal and not cry every single day? Thank you?
Speaker 1: One must understand that any patron will know there are
Speaker 1: times of trapal and time times of celebration. You are
Speaker 1: poured into the child all that they can, all the
Speaker 1: knowledge you wish to share, but sometimes they must find
Speaker 1: their own way. I have inspired the one we love
Speaker 1: to see a grievance like walk in a circle. You
Speaker 1: start next to each other and as you walk the
Speaker 1: path of a circle, one goes left, other right. You
Speaker 1: can see them, but again they feel so different to you.
Speaker 1: But there will come a point where you've seen that
Speaker 1: your oceans are path. But walking a path of the
Speaker 1: circle begins together, walks away, and then finally walks towards.
Speaker 1: You cannot blame yourself if you have taught all that
Speaker 1: you could, all that you must. And of course, sometimes
Speaker 1: you don't want history to repeat itself. Any parent wants
Speaker 1: a child to go further than themselves. You can give
Speaker 1: them the tools, show them the way that they may
Speaker 1: wield the hammer differently. Sometimes being a good parent is
Speaker 1: learning that you must let go. A bird that typically
Speaker 1: flies its nest may fly to see the.
Speaker 7: World that carried within their heart will always be a
Speaker 7: memory when they knew of love. One has just reminded
Speaker 7: me in the times of your distress, close your eyes,
Speaker 7: don't speak of our world.
Speaker 1: Talk to the soul of the child.
Speaker 8: In your mind, and say, I may not know where
Speaker 8: you are, I may not have heard your voice.
Speaker 1: Things may have been said in reaction, but I still
Speaker 1: love you, and the door of my heart will remain open.
Speaker 1: Fill me, hear me, And if you wish come back
Speaker 1: to me. For everyone who hears these words, I ask
Speaker 1: a question, have you heard of absent healing? If you have,
Speaker 1: are you convinced it can work? Are you convinced it
Speaker 1: has a benev it? If the answer is yes, then
Speaker 1: why do we question how a soul can talk to
Speaker 1: another soul called to them. It may take a moment,
Speaker 1: like an echo, doesn't respond straight away. But I ask
Speaker 1: of you you yourself also need healing, or you are
Speaker 1: experiencing grief, but in a different capacity, So you yourself
Speaker 1: must also forgive yourself. A parent is there to be
Speaker 1: a guide in light. Your light can only be bright
Speaker 1: if you can truly take a deep breath in and
Speaker 1: forgive yourself. The thing is my friend, and for all
Speaker 1: who hear his words. When you were younger, you made
Speaker 1: your decisions. Your child is only doing what you have done,
Speaker 1: but their reaction is different. You will be the guiding
Speaker 1: like they are the ships that sails. Wish them well,
Speaker 1: appease to their soul, and we pray that you hear
Speaker 1: their voice, be it through the wireless or by telegram,
Speaker 1: for you to realize then the purpose now is to heal.
Speaker 3: Relationships are so very difficult, but this is the best
Speaker 3: advice I've heard in a long time, is to talk
Speaker 3: to the person's soul, maybe even just write a letter,
Speaker 3: to get your thoughts and your emotions out, and keep
Speaker 3: that conversation going, even if it feels one sided, and
Speaker 3: trust that their soul is receiving the information. Next, I'd
Speaker 3: like to play for you, mister Eric, talking about what
Speaker 3: it's like when our bodies die and we cross that
Speaker 3: bridge to the afterlife.
Speaker 1: The stream in which all of you will cross is
Speaker 1: merely a stream, the stream that carries you from one
Speaker 1: state to a new For when your eyes dim and
Speaker 1: close for its final list, you see all those who
Speaker 1: you have loved, all those who you may have forgotten,
Speaker 1: you'll instantly recognize and remember. For any family members that
Speaker 1: have loved animals, the animals will be there to meet.
Speaker 1: Familiar faces of family will be there, smothering you with
Speaker 1: love and the celebration that you have lived your life
Speaker 1: and the world has served it's benign purpose. But I
Speaker 1: myself saw the sweet features of my dear wife as
Speaker 1: my body failed, I believed I was going to God's kingdom.
Speaker 1: As I closed my eyes from fear, I found peace,
Speaker 1: and I saw my wife into her arms of a
Speaker 1: strongest embrace that I have ever done. And I realized
Speaker 1: then that the pinch of pain was no more. And
Speaker 1: as I have observed many who have come and stepped
Speaker 1: across the stream, no one has ever fallen or been
Speaker 1: washed away. It is a simple step that will change
Speaker 1: your view for eternity, that the world in which you
Speaker 1: have loved is merely a step upon progress. The pain
Speaker 1: that one may feel is washed away. They take a
Speaker 1: deep breath in as truly this world takes your breath
Speaker 1: away and is replaced with love and wonder. All answers
Speaker 1: are found, all mysteries are sold. Grievances which merely be
Speaker 1: a step can be resolved. Grievances that are cut deeply
Speaker 1: are forgotten. But you'll never see the one that has
Speaker 1: cut you. It is truly a sight that all of
Speaker 1: you will witness. That you must be patient. But it
Speaker 1: is the sweetest part of the sting of death. Death
Speaker 1: is merely a word that has been placed for a
Speaker 1: life that has lived now lives on. It is not
Speaker 1: used for judgment, it is not used for punishment. It
Speaker 1: is there as the basic fact that you are born
Speaker 1: to be born again, not coming back to the world
Speaker 1: in which you love in the manner where you are
Speaker 1: at this moment, you live life after life. This world
Speaker 1: in which you love is the shortest part of the journey,
Speaker 1: but in the shortest part can cause you such pain
Speaker 1: and sorrow, it can also cranch you much joy and happiness.
Speaker 1: In this short part. Many may see war and suffering,
Speaker 1: or find heaven, find environment which is imbarren, or find
Speaker 1: life all around. But this short step is a step
Speaker 1: that all must take. No matter how long or shot
Speaker 1: you draw breath. You are here only for a moment.
Speaker 1: Treated kindly, but a short life can leave such impact
Speaker 1: that is felt beyond your years.
Speaker 3: Having these conversations with mister Eric really is one of
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