1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. We invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Santra Champlain. 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: to Coast, am employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 13 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: Hi. 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 16 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so 18 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I am 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: convinced that our human journey is the toughest thing that 20 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 3: our souls will have to deal with. It's bad enough 21 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: that we live within our own minds, which don't always 22 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 3: tell us positive things, do they. Many people deal with 23 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 3: addiction of one kind or another. On our time together today, 24 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 3: I want you to hear a near death experience of 25 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 3: a gal who was an atheist, an alcoholic, and a 26 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 3: drug user, and hear her story of recovery which did 27 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: not happen immediately, but ultimately led her to feeling that 28 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: love and guidance surrounds us all. Then we'll look at 29 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: addiction and does it go with us to the afterlife. 30 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: I think you know the answer to that, but I 31 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 3: want you to hear the words from mister Eric through 32 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: the trance mediumship of Scott Milligan. Then we'll continue with 33 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 3: another tough question, what to do if a loved one 34 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: isn't speaking with us. And at the end we're going 35 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: to hear some words on what it is like from 36 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 3: spirit side when our bodies die and we crossed the 37 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: bridge into the afterlife. Let's start off with the story 38 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 3: of Louisa Peck. 39 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 4: I come from a family I had a lot of 40 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 4: good gifts in it. My mother knows a lot about 41 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 4: art history and classical music, and my dad was a. 42 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 5: Professor at the university and really successful in his field. 43 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 4: We were taught that God was something superstitious from the past, 44 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 4: that science had since proven to be a bunch of silliness, 45 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 4: and any kind of spiritual stuff was people's way of 46 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 4: comforting themselves because they were afraid of reality. My father 47 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 4: was a wine kinnisseur, but he also was an alcoholic, 48 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 4: and I'm an alcoholic as well. 49 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 5: We learned to focus on all the good stuff, and. 50 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 4: Anything bad that you didn't want other people to know 51 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 4: about just didn't exist. 52 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 5: You just get rid of it. So I grew up 53 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 5: having to. 54 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 4: Excel, and it wasn't enough to get all a's, and 55 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 4: it wasn't enough to be a good vallet dancer. And 56 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 4: when I was a teenager, I developed an obsessive compulsive disorder, 57 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 4: and I just hid that from the world. 58 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 5: I hit it from everyone. It haunted me because I couldn't. 59 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 4: Believe, when I was my normal, integratedself, that I kept 60 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 4: doing these things that were so horrible to me. So 61 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 4: I made a big vault in my mind where I 62 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 4: could hide stuff the world couldn't see. And so I 63 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 4: went to a vassar and I was five by to Kaba. 64 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 4: Lots of awards, and when that was over, I didn't 65 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 4: know how to keep excelling. So I moved to New 66 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 4: York City, and this is where I had my NDE. 67 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 4: I hadn't had a date in high school. Nobody wanted 68 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 4: to date me. So in New York, I was going 69 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 4: to make up for all that, and I was going 70 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 4: to be a nightclub queen. I had a boyfriend in Houston, 71 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 4: and I moved to New York to be closer to 72 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: the cheating boyfriend who was in Boston. So I broke 73 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 4: up with the Houston boyfriend. But before I got back 74 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 4: together with the cheating boyfriend, I went out with his 75 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 4: best friend. Morally, I was kind of not very together, 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 4: and I was also a budding alcoholic. What I thought 77 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 4: is I could just get high enough, if I could 78 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 4: just dance well enough, it would come together and I. 79 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 5: Would finally feel like I was enough. 80 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 4: So we went to this nightclub and we did a 81 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 4: whole lot of cocaine and. 82 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 5: Drank a lot. 83 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 4: I was almost where I wanted to be. We decided 84 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 4: to buy some more, so we look around the club 85 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 4: in New York and we scraped together. I think it 86 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 4: was fifty bucks, and there was this ceed guy, and 87 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 4: he said, yeah, I've got stuff, so we bought it. 88 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 4: And I didn't know it at the time, but since 89 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 4: I've been sober in a twelve step group, I have 90 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 4: a lot of friends who used to deal drugs, and 91 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 4: they told me that was lydocane, not cocaine, and it's 92 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 4: a thing sort of related to novacane that numbs you 93 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 4: when you put it on your lips, so you think 94 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 4: it's coke when you're buying it. So we did some 95 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 4: of this and it did nothing, no high. So being 96 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 4: a good addict, I'm like, well, I'll just do it 97 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 4: all because it's not working. So I snorted however much 98 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 4: he sold us. I first began to notice that I 99 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 4: was developing tunnel vision. What lydokine does is it shuts 100 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 4: down a lot of your automatic nervous system. So my 101 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 4: heart was beginning to shut down, my breathing was beginning 102 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 4: to shut down. My brain wasn't getting enough oxygen. So 103 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 4: this tunnel began to close. 104 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 5: I went in the bathroom. 105 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 4: I was waiting in line, and I realized I couldn't 106 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 4: read the graffiti at all, and I began to get 107 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 4: a little scared because it was getting so dark. 108 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 5: So I came out and I went to my friend 109 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 5: and I said, there's no air in here. 110 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 4: I was breathing hard at that point, but my heart 111 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 4: was probably down to like thirty twenty eats a minute, 112 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 4: and nothing was getting to my brain. So he said, 113 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 4: maybe you just need a glass of water. 114 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 5: Like there's no air. There's no air. 115 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 4: Most normal people would think something's wrong with my brain, 116 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 4: but I thought, wow, there's a new effect of coke 117 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 4: that I didn't even know about. 118 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 5: Wow, I'm getting some wicked tunnel vision here. 119 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 4: And so I wasn't afraid until it started to get 120 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 4: so dark that I was having trouble seeing, and I 121 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 4: was having so much trouble getting breath that it felt 122 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 4: like I was suffocating. I went out and I found 123 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 4: my friend and I said, I can't breathe. 124 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 5: Something's wrong. There's no air down here. 125 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 4: The nightclub we were in was in a basement, so 126 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 4: I just felt like it was all breathed up. He said, 127 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 4: we'll get you some water, which I didn't want, and 128 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 4: I took me to the bar and the bartender said, here, 129 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 4: here's a glass of water. I took it and I 130 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: raised it to my lips and it was right at 131 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 4: the point when I took a sip that I left 132 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 4: my body, that I had collapsed and hit my chin 133 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 4: on the bar, because it seemed that I flew up 134 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 4: in the air, straight up in the air, and it 135 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: felt wonderful, and I forgot all about the nightclub, and 136 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 4: I forgot all about not being able to breathe. And 137 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 4: I was in the blue, open sky and I was 138 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 4: shooting up and I thought, I'm going to do a 139 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 4: swan dive back, and so I curved my back and 140 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 4: I did this beautiful overarching dive, and then below me, 141 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 4: I saw the ocean and it was blue and it 142 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 4: just went to the horizons, which didn't worry me either. 143 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 4: I was getting ready to dive in. I thought, I 144 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: am coming from awful high. This could hurt, and it 145 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 4: might go so deep I can't get to the surface. 146 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 4: That's the only fear I ever felt. On the other 147 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: side was like, this could be tricky. 148 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 5: So I dive in. I'm under the water. 149 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: It doesn't hurt at all, and I look up and 150 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 4: I see this beautiful, beautiful. 151 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 5: Dappling surface. 152 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 4: And then I look around and I see the shore 153 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 4: and I want to be there, and I'm there, no problem, 154 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,119 Speaker 4: which doesn't seem weird. 155 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 5: It doesn't seem weird that I want to be somewhere. 156 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 5: And then I'm there. 157 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: And then I'm on the beach and I look down 158 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 4: and I see down maybe about five hundred feet from me, 159 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 4: there's a messa coming up out on the beach. Like 160 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 4: everything else has been eroded away, but this messa and 161 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 4: this old house it's up on top of it. And 162 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 4: I think, I know that house. That's something to do 163 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 4: with me, So I want to get to it, and 164 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 4: I'm there. I go in, and I remember I was 165 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 4: traveling low over the floor, and I could see it 166 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 4: was all this old wood that had been pounded, and 167 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 4: I knew it was by my ancestors. 168 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 5: I knew all my ancestors. We all came through this. 169 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 4: Same house, and they had worn the wood over time 170 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 4: to this fine powder. And I felt so honored to 171 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 4: be there. I felt they could see me. I felt 172 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 4: they were proud of me. I could not see them. 173 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: The one presence I sensed really strongly was my father's father, 174 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 4: and he's the only one who died before I was born. 175 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 4: I'd only seen his picture in my dad's closet, but he. 176 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 5: Was really glad. 177 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 4: I was there, and there was this picture window that 178 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 4: overlooked the ocean. So as I got closer to it, 179 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 4: something caught me up and picked me up, and I 180 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 4: was sailing over that dabbling path that the sun puts 181 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 4: across the ocean. I went real low over it, and 182 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 4: I was flying right over the ocean. 183 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 5: I wanted it to go on forever. 184 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 4: But the sun got bigger and bigger, and all of 185 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 4: a sudden, I realized, holy crap, I'm gonna go into 186 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 4: the sun. And again it wasn't fear. It was just like, 187 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 4: I'm going to go in the sun. That's crazy. And 188 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 4: then I'm in the sun and it's a brilliant, brilliant 189 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 4: white light and warmth and love all at once. It's 190 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 4: like everything I had wanted all my life to feel 191 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 4: that I was loved, to feel that I was you know, 192 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 4: I had it all of a sudden, and it came 193 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 4: from this being that was like a parent. It seemed 194 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: that seemed to beholding me, cradling me and loving me 195 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 4: like I was an infant or baby, and just pouring 196 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 4: you are so loved, You are so loved, And it 197 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 4: felt so good. 198 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 5: But I didn't hear anything. It was just intense, brilliant light, 199 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 5: warmth and love until I just sort of wasn't even 200 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 5: thinking you love me, I love you. 201 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 4: We was just love is. There was nothing to want. 202 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 4: It's hard to describe. It's impossible. I've heard many people try. 203 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 4: It can't so I don't know how long I stayed there, 204 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 4: But all of a sudden a parent said you're not done, 205 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 4: or says by telepathy, you don't hear the words, but 206 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 4: you get the idea. It says you can't stay You're 207 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 4: not done. And I said no, and it went from 208 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 4: light to black, complete black, and. 209 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 5: I screamed no, no. 210 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 4: I don't have a voice, but I was like an infant, 211 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 4: just throwing a freaking temper trantrum. And the parent left 212 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 4: me with sort of an afterglow of like I still 213 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 4: love you. 214 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 5: By's a done deal. 215 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 4: So then I had a split second of fear, like 216 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 4: I'm in total darkness. And then these still stick figures 217 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 4: showed up. They were like white figures on a blackboard, 218 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 4: and they were doing little cartwheels and jumps and spins. 219 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 4: There were maybe like six or twelve of them. I 220 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: can't say, but I thought, okay, this is a toy 221 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 4: that the parent left me to keep me entertained until 222 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 4: I go back, so I'll just watch. 223 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 5: So they were saying these little rhymes like how. 224 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 4: Many hippos make the hopscotch or you know, they just 225 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 4: didn't make any sense. 226 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 5: And then one of them got closer and bigger, and 227 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 5: the face filled in solid and it was saying, what 228 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 5: is your name? How manys? And I remembered, oh man, 229 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 5: I'm in the world. Oh no, this is. 230 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 4: Terrible, and I thought, I know what he wants me 231 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 4: to do, but it's so stupid. 232 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 5: I'm not gonna do that. He wants me to make 233 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 5: that burpy air. 234 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 4: Stuff come out and move that loafy thing and supposed 235 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 4: to make these sounds. And I'm in the meat puppet 236 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 4: and I'm not having it. But then what are you 237 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 4: going to do? So my old desire to please came back, 238 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 4: and I said Luisa, And I was back in the world, 239 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 4: and I realized all the stick figures with people, and 240 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 4: I had sweat like a pool, and I thought that 241 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 4: someone throwing water all over me. I was soaking wet. 242 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 4: They asked me if I could stand up. I was 243 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 4: like a child. I thought something really fun and silly 244 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 4: had happened. 245 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 5: But everybody was staring at me. I didn't understand. I died. 246 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: We'll be right back with more of Louis's and near 247 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: death experience. You're listening to Shades of the Air Afterlife 248 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 249 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. 250 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 3: Let's continue with Louisa's story from flatlining in a nightclub 251 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 3: to the after effects that have her believing. 252 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 4: Seemed like we all went upstairs and we all went 253 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 4: out on the street we were on in the village, 254 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 4: and we sat down on this bench, and this man 255 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 4: came over and he said, you were dead. You were 256 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 4: gone for three minutes, and I was doing CPR on 257 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: you that whole time. So I asked my friend, I said, 258 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 4: what are we waiting for? He said an ambulance. 259 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, And then I'm like, wait a second, 260 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 5: who's it for. It's for you? You were dead, And 261 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 5: so my brain started to work again. 262 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 4: I thought, okay, ambulance means hospital means parents find out 263 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 4: that I was doing cocaine, means a whole lot of trouble. 264 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 4: And there were a bunch of cabs right in front 265 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 4: of us. I said, can we just go? And so 266 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 4: he didn't want to get in trouble either, so we 267 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 4: just kind of jumped in a cab. I remember a 268 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 4: bunch of people chased after us, like hey, hey, and 269 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: we just took. 270 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 5: Off and I never saw a doctor. When we got 271 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 5: back to. 272 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 4: My apartment where I left in my roommate, I wanted 273 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 4: a drink and they wouldn't let me have one. 274 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 5: I was really ticked off about that. 275 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 4: In the morning, when I woke up, I remembered the 276 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 4: whole thing, and I remembered that feeling of being loved 277 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 4: so much. I told my roommate the whole story. But 278 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 4: I was a really intense atheist. I I had written 279 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 4: my senior thesis at Vassa about the advent of modernism 280 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 4: and how the Anglican Church had fallen. 281 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 5: People had finally awoken to the mythical nature of. 282 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 4: God, and anybody who's believed in God talked about God. 283 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 5: It just kissed me. Ah. We discovered I had some 284 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 5: brain damage. I wasn't concerned. I was brain damage, main damage, whatever. 285 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 5: Then I wrote the whole thing down in a journal. 286 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 4: I read it aloud over the phone to my sister, 287 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 4: like this crazy drug trip. And then I eventually got 288 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 4: with that boyfriend, and I also read it to him 289 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 4: over the phone. 290 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 5: I would not ask them to believe that I really 291 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 5: went anywhere. 292 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 4: I only told the story as just an example of 293 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 4: an amazing hallucination I had with cocaine. 294 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 5: I kept it like that for a long time. I 295 00:15:58,840 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 5: would have left it. 296 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 4: There was just this weird thing that happened to me 297 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 4: that had no meaning because I'd never heard of a 298 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 4: near death experience. 299 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 5: I'd never heard of white. 300 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 4: Light, except that paranormal after effects started to happen to me. 301 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 4: And a lot of people don't know that there are 302 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 4: paranormal after effects that come with an NDE. 303 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 5: Something has been ruptured so that you get. 304 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 4: New awarenesses of energy that you didn't have before. I 305 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 4: may have missed stuff or denied stuff that happened. Was 306 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 4: five years before my first weird thing happened. I've since 307 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 4: written my autobiography, and so I enumerated the number of 308 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 4: weird things that happened that gradually broke down my atheism, 309 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 4: or fourteen weird things. So the first weird thing doesn't 310 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 4: happen till nineteen eighty seven. 311 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 5: And it was a whopper. I was on the. 312 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 4: Beach at Gloucester in Massachusetts early in the morning, in 313 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 4: the middle of a storm, and there was some romance 314 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 4: thing that wasn't worth looking out for me at this 315 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 4: party I had gone to. So I went out in 316 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 4: the storm alone in the morning, and I'm walking along 317 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 4: the beach and this old man comes out of these 318 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 4: dunes where there's no houses, there's no nothing. I'm like, 319 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 4: wonder what he was doing in there because there's no 320 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 4: development there. And he's also wearing all this vintage fisherman gear. 321 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 4: I'm like, wow, I wonder where he got that old stuff. 322 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 4: And I'm all into vintage clothes, so I'm just gonna say, 323 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 4: I really like your rain gear. 324 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 5: We get closer and closer. He doesn't look at me. 325 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 5: He doesn't look at me. He doesn't look at me. 326 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 4: He crosses right in front of me, and right when 327 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 4: he's there, I say, how's it going, And he didn't 328 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 4: look at me. 329 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 5: He moves his eye a little bit. They're kind of. 330 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 4: Bloodshot, and he moves it a little, but he just 331 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 4: keeps walking. So I guess kept walking and I got 332 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 4: all the ways and I thought, you know what a 333 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 4: jerk man, what a high school thing. 334 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 5: To like, not even say hy, not even look at me? 335 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 5: What is up with him? So I turned around to 336 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 5: look and he wasn't there. 337 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 4: And I spent some time trying to figure out if 338 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 4: he had dove into the waves, and wouldn't his hat 339 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 4: at least come up, wouldn't there be some sign? 340 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 5: Eventually I said, okay, I'm going to figure this out. 341 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 4: I went back and I looked for tracks, and there 342 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 4: were only my tracks. 343 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 5: I freaked out and I looked. 344 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 4: For as long as I could look until it was 345 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 4: really clear there's only my tracks, only my tread, only me. 346 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 4: And then I went back to the house and people 347 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 4: were starting to wake up from the debauchery of the 348 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 4: night before, and my friend, who owned. 349 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 5: The house, she said, oh man, this ghosts all over Gloucester. 350 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 5: You just saw a Gloucester ghost. There's like a thousand names. 351 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 4: Down at the wharf of fishermen who died at sea, 352 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 4: and he had been staring out at the horizon like 353 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 4: he was looking for a ship. But I just wasn't 354 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 4: having it. It could not have been a ghost. There 355 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 4: has to be an explanation. So I made my boyfriend 356 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 4: come and look for me, he was actually I guess 357 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 4: my husband then no tracks, and so there's two things. 358 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 4: You know, everybody's thinking you're crazy. You know you saw 359 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 4: what you saw, and you know you cannot explain it, 360 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 4: so it goes in the vault. John didn't happen. The 361 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 4: next weird thing came. How many years later? That was 362 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 4: nineteen eighty seven. There would be nineteen ninety three, a 363 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 4: long time again. My brother and his wife were expecting 364 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 4: a baby, and I knew the baby was going to die. 365 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 5: I knew that my. 366 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 4: Brother would have intense grief. It would be because his 367 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 4: son had died. So I was waiting for a miscarriage. 368 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 4: Miscarriage didn't happen. We met for lunch a few days 369 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 4: before the baby was born, and the feeling was so strong, 370 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 4: and I thought, this is more than pessimism, This is 371 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 4: more than mari. This is like, I know his pain 372 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 4: is going to be intense. Do I say something? 373 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 5: What do you say? Do you say your baby's going 374 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 5: to die? I don't know when, I don't know how, 375 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 5: but bohere are you going to be bummed? 376 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 4: I mean, what do you say? So I said nothing. 377 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 4: When he called me. You didn't even have to say 378 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 4: what had happened, And the feeling I had was this 379 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 4: tremendous guilt. Not that I hadn't seen anything, but my 380 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 4: mind was blown. 381 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 5: Away by the fact that I had known. 382 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 4: Rather than just grieving for my brother, all I wanted 383 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 4: to feel was grief for the baby. 384 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 5: But you feel this, Oh my god, I knew it 385 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 5: and it happened. 386 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 4: So all this time, I'm an alcoholic and I'm trying 387 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 4: to be like my father. I'm a successful teacher and 388 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 4: so forth, but I'm also drinking. But eventually I did 389 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 4: hit bottom and there were more weird things around that 390 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 4: drove extremely drunk one night, and when I got home 391 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 4: and I was kind of like reveling the fact that 392 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 4: I was such a great drunk driver and I'd gotten home, 393 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 4: something hit me like a thought taser, and it said, 394 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 4: this is the last time I can help you. And 395 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 4: I heard it and it took away all my revelry 396 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 4: and it just made me look at what I was doing. 397 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 4: Another one of those came when I was very close 398 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 4: to relapsing. I would be thinking one thing, I would 399 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 4: be in one mood, and then zap, this different presence 400 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 4: would get me. I did get sober, and I went 401 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 4: to a twelve step group and they had steps on 402 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 4: the wall. We got in and I was still an 403 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 4: atheist in spite of what had happened. I was like, 404 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 4: I'm not doing those things we got in. I'm having 405 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 4: nothing to do with it. People in the program would 406 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 4: talk about God and I'd be. 407 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 5: Like, shut up, I hate that stuff. 408 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 4: Even though I knew in my vaulted part of me 409 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 4: that there was a God in at some part of 410 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,959 Speaker 4: it spoken to me. The weird things kept coming, and 411 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 4: they were so undeniable. The greatest one was around my 412 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 4: sister's death. I actually helped my sister cross over. She 413 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 4: was dying of breast cancer. They had told us she 414 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 4: had two weeks to live. I was waiting in the 415 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,479 Speaker 4: hospital room and a voice said to me, tell her 416 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 4: about the light. 417 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 5: She's afraid. I was like no, And when I'd. 418 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 4: Closed my eyes, I could feel the light starting to 419 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 4: fill the room. I could feel the light starting to 420 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 4: pool around her body. And I'd opened my eyes and 421 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 4: look and these eyes didn't see anything, and I'd be 422 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 4: there's nothing there, and she's going. 423 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 5: To live two weeks. 424 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 4: And it just kept building until finally I was like, Okay, 425 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 4: I'll do it, and so I went to her and 426 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 4: I knelt down by her, and I described the light 427 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 4: as I remembered it. 428 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 6: I said, it'll be all around you. She believed in Jesus, 429 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 6: so I said, Jesus will be with you. You'll go 430 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 6: with him, You'll be unfolded in his love, and you'll 431 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 6: know so much happiness. She wasn't conscious, but she had 432 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 6: told me in a previous phone call that she could hear, 433 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 6: even under the morphine, every word people said. 434 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 5: So I just went with it. 435 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 4: And when I was done, I went and I sat down, 436 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 4: and then twenty minutes later, she hemorrhaged and she died. 437 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 4: At first, when she hemorrhaged, my brother and I were 438 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 4: freaking out. We were running all over the place trying 439 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 4: to get help. When the doctor said she's died. Her 440 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 4: heart is still beating, but it'll stop. I wanted to 441 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 4: kill the doctor. And then something came from outside and 442 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 4: it was my sister, and she was saying, I'm fine, 443 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 4: I'm great, and then I began to feel her hovering 444 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 4: in the hospital room. Now by this time, it's nineteen 445 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 4: ninety seven. I've seen the movie Ghosts. I've heard of 446 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 4: white light experiences and I've heard of out of body experiences, 447 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 4: and I've. 448 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 5: Heard of people hovering. 449 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 4: All this stuff is in popular culture, and I don't 450 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 4: believe in popular culture. Yet my sister is hovering, and 451 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 4: I can feel her telling me that she's fine, loving 452 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 4: us all with that same kind of love, and she 453 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 4: filled me with it. 454 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 5: She filled me with the light again. 455 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 4: And so how inappropriate is that to be in the 456 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 4: hospital room where your sister just died and you're filled 457 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 4: with joy because she's filled with joy. I couldn't tell anyone. 458 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 4: When we got home to her house where the family was. 459 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 4: My sister met me at the door, and I wanted 460 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 4: to tell her so much, and I was still just 461 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 4: filled up with this jubilation that she was with God 462 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 4: and that I was sort of with God right now too. 463 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 4: When I went home and I realized what had happened, 464 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 4: that's when I got that God is here all the time. 465 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 4: And that's when the vault opened and all this stuff 466 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 4: I let it be. I remember crying and praying and saying, 467 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 4: you know you're here, You're. 468 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 5: Here, I know you're here. I began to just pray. 469 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 4: I don't believe that God is anything that religion has 470 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 4: represented it to be. I don't call it a he. 471 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 4: I don't call it a she. The closest I think 472 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 4: we have asn't they, because I believe we all have 473 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 4: guardian angels, and that God is this network of energy 474 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 4: outside of bodies, a network of energy that's all interconnected. 475 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 4: Life is an energy that can either be invested in 476 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 4: matter or it can be out in the world. And 477 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 4: that's when my life began to change. 478 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 3: We'll take a quick break and we'll be back and 479 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 3: hear a few more words from Louisa, and here from 480 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 3: the spirit world about addiction. You're listening to Shades of 481 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 482 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 483 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. I want to play a few more 484 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 3: minutes of Louisa, she's now in recovery eighteen years, and 485 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: then we'll hear from the spirit world on addiction. 486 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 4: I'd been in a twelve step program and you were 487 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 4: supposed to help others, but I didn't really feel comfortable 488 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 4: helping others. 489 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 5: It had been some barrier and that broke. 490 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 4: On a specific day, there was a guy I was 491 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 4: obsessed with but he was also in the program, and 492 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 4: he was trying to teach me a different way to live. 493 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 5: After a meeting one day. 494 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 4: I tried to stalk him to a place to eat. 495 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 4: He kept inviting people to come sit at our table, 496 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 4: and he left at some point. 497 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 5: I didn't even notice. I was having so much fun. 498 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 4: And when I left the restaurant alone, I said, God, 499 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 4: I'm having trouble with this obsession thing. I really don't 500 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 4: want it. Can you teach me a different way to live? 501 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 4: And I said, I'll make a deal with you. Got 502 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 4: every time somebody annoys me at a meeting, I will 503 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 4: go up to them right after the meeting and I 504 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 4: will stick out my hand and I'll say I'm Luisa, 505 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 4: and I'll find out three things about them. And if 506 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 4: I do this, you take away mer obsession. And that's 507 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 4: what happened. For a long time. I'd go to meetings 508 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 4: and people would talk and they'd annoy me, and I'd be, Oh, 509 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 4: I have to go learn three things about her that 510 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 4: would become my friend. 511 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 5: Another person. 512 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 4: You know, it talks, that's all people who do stuff 513 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 4: I do do stuff I do. It annoys me. Then 514 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 4: when I meet them, we're just the same until we 515 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 4: get along or there's some aspect of us is the same. 516 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 4: So I went from being in this twelve step program 517 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 4: for so many years with only a small group of 518 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 4: friends to knowing everyone and having hundreds of friends and 519 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 4: being able to help people and getting sponsores. And I 520 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 4: began to get that God happens when I love you, 521 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 4: That God happens in every connection between people, even the 522 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 4: slightest kindness. 523 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 5: So I began to actually cultivate kindness. It's not that hard, 524 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 5: it's not that baky. 525 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 4: It's not like can I say, you know, It's like 526 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 4: every person I crossed paths with, I can use that 527 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 4: for an opportunity to generate a little bit of God. 528 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 5: If I leave them. 529 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 4: A little happier than I encountered them, I'm doing what 530 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 4: I'm here for. Three and a half weeks ago, I 531 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 4: got a diagnosis of breast cancer. And I had had 532 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 4: a party plan for my eighteen years sober, and all 533 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 4: my friends came. When I discovered I was holdly I 534 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 4: have to have a lumpectomy instead of a mass sectomy. 535 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 4: I made it an eighteen years sober and keep my 536 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 4: boob party. So like sixty friends from the program, showed 537 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 4: up and they were singing Happy Birthday to me, and 538 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 4: I have really embarrassed all these people everyone's singing to me. 539 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 4: And then one of those voices came and it said, 540 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 4: you know, these people love you. 541 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 5: You couldn't be more safe. Just love and be loved, 542 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 5: and so I let go of my self consciousness. 543 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 3: Lots of good advice in there, including cultivate kindness, love 544 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 3: and be loved, and that includes being loving to oneself. 545 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,959 Speaker 3: Louisa put her autobiography together, which is now a book 546 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 3: called Diehard Atheist. If you're a longtime listener, you know 547 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: many fridays I host something called in the Arms of Eternity, 548 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 3: which is a healing and trance medium demonstration with Scott Milligan. 549 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 3: The voice you're about to hear is through trance speaking. 550 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 5: This is a. 551 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 3: Gentleman I've known for eight years named mister Eric, who 552 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: passed at the end of the eighteen hundreds. This is 553 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 3: a question that was asked about addiction and if it 554 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: accompanies us to the afterlife. The question is, Eric, do 555 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 3: we take problems of addiction with us to the afterlife 556 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 3: If we don't deal with those issues here on this 557 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 3: side of the veil, there seems to be a strong 558 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 3: spiritual component to issues such as substance abuse. 559 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: You well, I must say to you bit the addiction 560 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: is with the physical body because what it jests then 561 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: releases chemicals that brings pleasure to it or causes it 562 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: to destroy itself. You will bring the memory with you. 563 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: It is a memory if you wish to carry, or 564 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: you may disregard. Because, my friend, if someone is crippled 565 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: with addiction, and when we look at this word addiction, 566 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: many of us think straight away of what can be ingested. 567 00:30:54,560 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: But love can be addiction, Fascination can be addiction. But 568 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: if you are talking about substance that can be ingested 569 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: that destroys the lives of other people around them, then 570 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: let us keep upon this topic. If it is the 571 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: body that has fallen in love with this chemical that 572 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: brings the soul and experience, then it will continue until 573 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: the mortel death. Sometimes people are strong enough to be 574 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: taken away from that environment so that they know what 575 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: it was before they knew of that product. The soul 576 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: has come to the earth to find identity, but to 577 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: experience emotion and all capacity along the way. As we 578 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: have said numerous times that the young man the one 579 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: we use seems to take offency with the devil's brew 580 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: alcohol that I myself was told it was against my 581 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: religious understandings. For I myself in prayer and of course 582 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: doing my communion, and of course my duty would find 583 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit. My faith was the addiction that caused 584 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: me to become twisted and bitter against other people that 585 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: may choose a different path, That have I not already 586 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: shown that I myself have changed my way. Many people 587 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: that come to our side of life that had burden, 588 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: the weight of burden is removed from them. But if 589 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: they wish and motivate themselves to be a guiding thought 590 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: to someone here upon earth that may be following in 591 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: foots steps, then they themselves will try to inspire and 592 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: to intervene. Many civilizations have used natural remedies to commune 593 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: with the soul called dead, moving away from control to 594 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: lose control. These individuals have gained this knowledge that has 595 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: been passed from generation to generation, and therefore their bodies 596 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: will react in the most perfect manner. But then others 597 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: have chosen to try to ingest what the body itself 598 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: cannot hold, and therefore their reaction will be different. Will 599 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: it make them more spiritual, well, only you can decide. 600 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: Does it make them more alien to their kinship? Then 601 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: yes it does. It is a terrible thing, you know, 602 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: when you see someone who you care for begin to 603 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: fade from view, even though they physically stand there. You 604 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: can see that the light of who they are is 605 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: slowly leaving them, leaving the physical body as they begin 606 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: to walk between the two worlds, and then all of 607 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: a sudden they find both feet in our reality. Once again. 608 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: Those in my world are more confident, more capable, more understanding, 609 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: will be called to service as we are called to 610 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: then give healing and love to those who are left behind. 611 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: You will see within your modern world that those things 612 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: will become alreadily available due to the poison of the 613 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: very thing that is allowing my words to be carried 614 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: to your residence. We have also seen the addiction of 615 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: young minds to technology, but also begins to poison. Allows 616 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: the body to not move so fluid. That causes then 617 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: the joints to see, the bones to weaken, the organs 618 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: to become heavy. So in some way, it is a 619 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: fine knife that will cut through Your world has become 620 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: dependent upon this modern technology, and we within the world 621 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: that awaits you are using the very thing for our 622 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: world to continue to talk with you. The younger minds 623 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: of your world are falling more dependent upon this technology 624 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: through the Devil's box of your televisions. Show how accessible 625 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: it is, how glitter and glad that everyone must have it. 626 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: Surely it is better to have someone without it and 627 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: say I am not following the herd, I being my 628 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 1: own person. We should all learn to love one another out, 629 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: my friends. Everyone must make a choice. It is up 630 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: to you if you wish, but you will not carry 631 00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: it within our reality. You'll carry the knowledge that will 632 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: benefit the minds of Manday, but what is not important 633 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: will fail away and you'll never hear or speak of 634 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: it again. 635 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 3: If you're dealing with addiction yourself or have a loved 636 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 3: one who is dealing with addiction, there is help out there. 637 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 3: One of the most important things to do is to 638 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 3: realize what's in your control and what's out of your control. 639 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 3: Do as much research as you can on how the 640 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 3: brain operates, give yourself some compassion for what you're dealing with, 641 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 3: and please reach out to others to help. We human 642 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 3: beings need others, don't we And it's much easier going 643 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 3: through something together than alone. We're going to head into 644 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,439 Speaker 3: our next break and when we come back, we'll hear 645 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 3: more from mister Eric on another tough subject. This one 646 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 3: is if someone close to you is no longer speaking 647 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 3: to you, how we survive that and what it's like 648 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 3: to over into the afterlife. You're listening to Shades of 649 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 650 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 651 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. Did you know that one in three 652 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 3: people are not talking to a loved one could be 653 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 3: no fault of your own. Just recently, this question was asked. 654 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 3: If you have an only son who has abandoned his 655 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 3: parents who have done everything for him, how can you 656 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 3: heal and not cry every single day? Thank you? 657 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: One must understand that any patron will know there are 658 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: times of trapal and time times of celebration. You are 659 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: poured into the child all that they can, all the 660 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: knowledge you wish to share, but sometimes they must find 661 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: their own way. I have inspired the one we love 662 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: to see a grievance like walk in a circle. You 663 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: start next to each other and as you walk the 664 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: path of a circle, one goes left, other right. You 665 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: can see them, but again they feel so different to you. 666 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: But there will come a point where you've seen that 667 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: your oceans are path. But walking a path of the 668 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 1: circle begins together, walks away, and then finally walks towards. 669 00:39:55,239 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: You cannot blame yourself if you have taught all that 670 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: you could, all that you must. And of course, sometimes 671 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: you don't want history to repeat itself. Any parent wants 672 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: a child to go further than themselves. You can give 673 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 1: them the tools, show them the way that they may 674 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: wield the hammer differently. Sometimes being a good parent is 675 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: learning that you must let go. A bird that typically 676 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 1: flies its nest may fly to see the. 677 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 7: World that carried within their heart will always be a 678 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 7: memory when they knew of love. One has just reminded 679 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 7: me in the times of your distress, close your eyes, 680 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 7: don't speak of our world. 681 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: Talk to the soul of the child. 682 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 8: In your mind, and say, I may not know where 683 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 8: you are, I may not have heard your voice. 684 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: Things may have been said in reaction, but I still 685 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: love you, and the door of my heart will remain open. 686 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:45,760 Speaker 1: Fill me, hear me, And if you wish come back 687 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: to me. For everyone who hears these words, I ask 688 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: a question, have you heard of absent healing? If you have, 689 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: are you convinced it can work? Are you convinced it 690 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: has a benev it? If the answer is yes, then 691 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: why do we question how a soul can talk to 692 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: another soul called to them. It may take a moment, 693 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: like an echo, doesn't respond straight away. But I ask 694 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: of you you yourself also need healing, or you are 695 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: experiencing grief, but in a different capacity, So you yourself 696 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: must also forgive yourself. A parent is there to be 697 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: a guide in light. Your light can only be bright 698 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: if you can truly take a deep breath in and 699 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: forgive yourself. The thing is my friend, and for all 700 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: who hear his words. When you were younger, you made 701 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 1: your decisions. Your child is only doing what you have done, 702 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: but their reaction is different. You will be the guiding 703 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: like they are the ships that sails. Wish them well, 704 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: appease to their soul, and we pray that you hear 705 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:43,839 Speaker 1: their voice, be it through the wireless or by telegram, 706 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: for you to realize then the purpose now is to heal. 707 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,720 Speaker 3: Relationships are so very difficult, but this is the best 708 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 3: advice I've heard in a long time, is to talk 709 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 3: to the person's soul, maybe even just write a letter, 710 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 3: to get your thoughts and your emotions out, and keep 711 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 3: that conversation going, even if it feels one sided, and 712 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,879 Speaker 3: trust that their soul is receiving the information. Next, I'd 713 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 3: like to play for you, mister Eric, talking about what 714 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 3: it's like when our bodies die and we cross that 715 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 3: bridge to the afterlife. 716 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 1: The stream in which all of you will cross is 717 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,359 Speaker 1: merely a stream, the stream that carries you from one 718 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: state to a new For when your eyes dim and 719 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: close for its final list, you see all those who 720 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: you have loved, all those who you may have forgotten, 721 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 1: you'll instantly recognize and remember. For any family members that 722 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 1: have loved animals, the animals will be there to meet. 723 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: Familiar faces of family will be there, smothering you with 724 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: love and the celebration that you have lived your life 725 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 1: and the world has served it's benign purpose. But I 726 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 1: myself saw the sweet features of my dear wife as 727 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: my body failed, I believed I was going to God's kingdom. 728 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 1: As I closed my eyes from fear, I found peace, 729 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 1: and I saw my wife into her arms of a 730 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 1: strongest embrace that I have ever done. And I realized 731 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,879 Speaker 1: then that the pinch of pain was no more. And 732 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,760 Speaker 1: as I have observed many who have come and stepped 733 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 1: across the stream, no one has ever fallen or been 734 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: washed away. It is a simple step that will change 735 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: your view for eternity, that the world in which you 736 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:21,240 Speaker 1: have loved is merely a step upon progress. The pain 737 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: that one may feel is washed away. They take a 738 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: deep breath in as truly this world takes your breath 739 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 1: away and is replaced with love and wonder. All answers 740 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:51,920 Speaker 1: are found, all mysteries are sold. Grievances which merely be 741 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: a step can be resolved. Grievances that are cut deeply 742 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,399 Speaker 1: are forgotten. But you'll never see the one that has 743 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 1: cut you. It is truly a sight that all of 744 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: you will witness. That you must be patient. But it 745 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:24,720 Speaker 1: is the sweetest part of the sting of death. Death 746 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,920 Speaker 1: is merely a word that has been placed for a 747 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:36,359 Speaker 1: life that has lived now lives on. It is not 748 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 1: used for judgment, it is not used for punishment. It 749 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: is there as the basic fact that you are born 750 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: to be born again, not coming back to the world 751 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 1: in which you love in the manner where you are 752 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:05,880 Speaker 1: at this moment, you live life after life. This world 753 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: in which you love is the shortest part of the journey, 754 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 1: but in the shortest part can cause you such pain 755 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 1: and sorrow, it can also cranch you much joy and happiness. 756 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: In this short part. Many may see war and suffering, 757 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: or find heaven, find environment which is imbarren, or find 758 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:50,760 Speaker 1: life all around. But this short step is a step 759 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,240 Speaker 1: that all must take. No matter how long or shot 760 00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 1: you draw breath. You are here only for a moment. 761 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:09,240 Speaker 1: Treated kindly, but a short life can leave such impact 762 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,240 Speaker 1: that is felt beyond your years. 763 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,239 Speaker 3: Having these conversations with mister Eric really is one of 764 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 3: the highlights of my life. And if you'd like to 765 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 3: join me, please do. We call them in the arms 766 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,680 Speaker 3: of eternity. You can find them at the store page 767 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,839 Speaker 3: at we doodie dot com or click on the Scott 768 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 3: Milligan page. 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