WEBVTT - Ep 124: Brittany Howard 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.719 He kisses me on her cheek, jumps off the stage 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:05.760 and disappears into nothing like it's literally like you disappear 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:07.360 in with the air. And I was like, I was 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:11.240 just like, what, he's a shape shifter, I swear, you know, 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:13.040 I was like in my eyes, playing tricks on me. 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:15.200 He just disappeared, and you know that was the last 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:15.600 I saw. 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:21.079 Prince Evening folks, Welcome to Midnight Chats, the music interview 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.720 podcast for late night listening. My name is Greg Cochrane. 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:28.920 I'm Stuart Stubbs, but that's completely irrelevant this evening because Greg, 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.120 you're the star of tonight's show along with Brittany Howard 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:34.479 is your guest. Tell me all about her. 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.080 Yeah, well, listen to you, and you know that I 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.320 love a quote, right, and I love this quote from Adele. 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:45.480 You're familiar with Adele Nope? Okay. Well, she's a musician, Okay, 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.640 sold a lot of albums over the years, and she's 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.519 got this great quote about this evening's podcast guest, and 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.360 she says, there's something about Brittany that puts fire in 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:02.080 my soul. She's so fucking full of soul, overflowing, dripping 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:03.959 that almost can't handle it. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.360 I think Adele said that about me at one point. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:10.000 Actually as well, that sounds that does sound familiar. Imagine 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.560 having Adele say that about you. 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:17.720 Adele needs to join in orderly queue because basically, so 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:22.279 many genius artists are a fan of Brittany Howard Tyler, 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:26.479 the creator, Childish Gambino, Kendrick Lamar, they are all huge 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.119 fans of hers. I mean, she's she's won five Grammys. 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.640 Like she she's like an artist artist. They absolutely love her. 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.480 Or what I particularly like about this episode when I 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.840 heard it was how much of a laugh? It's she 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.960 seems the talker. But we're gonna put a link in 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.479 the below in the show notes for the kissy dolls 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:47.880 thing that you're talking about. I'm not going to say 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:51.120 any more than that that're pretty creepy. I've just been 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.360 looking at the site again. There's real hair on these dolts. 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.800 Now that's coming up. There's a lot in this, including 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.000 her love for fishing, which I don't think we've ever 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:03.120 had a fisher, fisher an angler on the show before. 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.600 It is a first. Yeah, she's big into her angling. 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.280 As you're about to hear, I spoke to Brittany, she 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.640 was at home in Nashville when we spoke, and it 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:16.040 made the very depressing first week of January this year 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.840 a whole lot brighter. As you say. She's got amazing vibes, 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.680 great energy, and yeah, we've got to talk about fishing. 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.200 Got an a grade story about playing Prince's House, and 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.679 I wondered if Alabama Shakes would ever do anything else, 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:30.919 so I got to ask her about that too. One 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.400 extra thing I just wanted to add. Greg. 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.760 Sorry, if you listen to this and you are one 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:40.320 of the people who sourced a convertible car for Britney 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.080 after her Madrid show, we are trying to find this 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.640 group of people she asked for a scooter. That was 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.280 it a scooter? I think it was a scooter. 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:50.959 I think a moped or something a moped. 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.600 They got a convertible car. If that is you, please 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.160 get in touch with the show, maybe via our socials. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.920 We're at Midnight Chat's pod on Instagram. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.240 We want this to be the Talk with Madrid. We're 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.480 launching We're officially launching the investigation right here, right now. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.480 Brittany's got a solo album, a recent solo album out 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:10.760 and it's the second one. It's called what now. It's 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.840 really really great. I urge you to go and check 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.480 it out. And also we talk a bit about a 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.600 poem and that's included on that album and it's by 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.160 Maya Angelo and the title of that poem is a 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.320 brave and Startling Truth. So yeah, let's hear from Brittany 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:28.200 Howard on Midnight Chats. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.000 Oh, I'm doing great, Thanks for having me on. I'm 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:32.919 excited to be here. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.280 In my preparation for speaking to you, there's something I 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.000 need to know more about. I'm currently on a website 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:43.960 called Kissy DOLESUSA direct dot com, which sounds like the 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.480 kind of thing that would get me banned from the Internet, 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.800 but I found out about this via your TikTok a 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:55.760 few weeks ago. It's hilarious and so scary. Can you 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.320 describe what I'm looking at and where it's come from. 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:03.160 Listen, listen, listen. And as the CEO of Kissy Dolls 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.680 USA Direct dot com, you know, there's not a lot 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:07.680 that I'm going to say about it, except that we 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.040 get very bored on a tour bus and we take 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:12.240 things too far. 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:17.880 These creations just for people listening. Basically, they are like miniatures. 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.000 The dolls obviously, but that the what are they made 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:20.240 out of? 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:20.400 Well? 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:21.800 Were they what's the material? 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:27.920 I found this very unusual clay okay on Amazon dot Com. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.960 It's it's it's the most unusual clay I've ever worked with. 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.719 I don't know what it's made out of, but we 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.599 just started messing with it and it became kissy dolls, 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.200 you know, like little clayheads. We put little wigs on 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.920 them and we paint them up, give them names, pop 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:43.000 them on the internet. There for self. 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.839 I know there's literally a website store. I'm on it. 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.560 They're currently sold out. It's obviously very exclusive. 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.040 Yeah, they're hit, They're hit. 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:56.400 Yeah, they've all got all these dolls have got Uh, 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.520 they've got different names. My favorite one is Evelyn pec 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.240 Peeper Impact paper. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.640 Yeah, that one, that's one of our first ones. Who created. 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.840 Zach Cockle is actually an artisan at the plant, and 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.039 uh that was that was one of his favorites. It 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:11.760 was hard to see her go. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.640 Tell me, is theyre going to be more a They're 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.880 going to be more kissy dos coming soon. 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:22.400 To be determined, maybe not early this year. Could we 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.279 kind of had the plant shut down for over the holidays, 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:26.799 so it might take a while to get things started 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:27.160 back up. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.120 Yeah, fair enough that we know the demand is there. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.359 Though, the demand is there, and you know, I'm not 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:36.200 gonna say like I'm not purposefully creating more demand. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.159 I'm going to post a link in the show notes 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.599 to to that thing so that anybody listened to this 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.599 feeling completely disorientated about what we're talking about can go 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.039 and check it out. But yeah, these dolls are They're 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.520 amazing and I was I was obsessed when I found. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.320 Them, and I knew this would follow me. 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.600 Yeah, exactly what have you started, Brittany? This is the 0:05:55.600 --> 0:06:00.760 thing now, I mean sticking on kind of uh, the 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.120 social media and like going I was, you know, in 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.160 my preparation for speaking to you, obviously, was checking out 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:06.880 kind of what you've been up to. And your your 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.400 dogs Wilma and uh, Wilma and Wanda also make regular 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:14.080 appearances on your social media. Is that Wilma or Wonder? 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.360 I can see in the background, Oh, that's Willie. She's 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:19.760 probably chewing on an extension cable. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.760 Come here, don't do that. Here's Willy here say something 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:23.360 in the microphone. 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:28.760 Will Hey, everybody, they look so chilled? Is that is 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.320 that their personalities. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:34.000 No, no, no, one of them to turn it on 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.960 for the cameras. One of them's a puppy. As soon 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:41.080 as anybody's looking. She seems sweet, but she's a puppy. 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.720 And uh, it's been very difficult around here with her. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.880 You know. She's a little dog. She likes to talk, 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.040 she likes to bark, she likes to be on the rugs. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.800 So it's just been all hands on deck since I 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.719 got her. So put that on top of trying to 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.719 promote an album and trying to tour. What was I thinking, 0:06:58.760 --> 0:06:59.560 I don't know, this is it. 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.279 You're pep parent. It's a demanding thing. 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.400 You know. I googled. I was like, what is the 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:09.920 worst breed to house train? And it said, uh, Docsin 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.520 miniature Docsin. Yeah, they got reputation, they have a reputation. 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.840 I didn't really know that. It was too late by 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.400 the time I found that out, but I'm experiencing that. 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.920 I know. They always say, like, you're you're a keen angler, right, 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:23.800 you love to go fishing, and like do you how 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:25.640 often do you get out? And do you do you 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:26.800 take the dogs with you when you go? 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.480 I cannot take Wanda. She has a high prey drive. 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.560 You know, she's also a little winy dog high prey drive, 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.040 and you know they were their bred to uh chase 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.280 and hunt small animals. A fish is a small animal, 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.440 and so I can't take her anywhere in near fish. 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.840 She has a fit. One time I was fishing, I 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.120 couldn't get the fish off of the hook fast enough. 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.960 She jumps like leaps in the air, lands on the hook. 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.040 Had to had to take her to the vet, huge 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:00.080 emergency vet bill. So she doesn't She's not allowed to 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:04.600 go at all anymore for her own safety. Wilma, she's new, 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.160 you know, I got I got her, and I haven't 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.160 taken her out fishing yet. We'll see how it goes. 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.840 But I do love fishing. I've been doing it since 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.480 I was probably like four or five years old. It's 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:17.280 just something I would do with my family and it's continued. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.280 Yeah, my dad was a keen angler and I haven't 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:21.960 got to do it much, but I always have like 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.160 fund memories of going out with him when I was young, 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.560 and like just spending that like one to one time 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.760 with my parent, Like is that where it came from 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.000 for you as well? And is that like the enduring 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.000 passion of getting out to spend some time on your own, 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:35.920 a bit of thinking time. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:41.160 Yeah, you know, it's very grounding when you're out there 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.120 in nature. It just it's just kind of a reset, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:49.400 I feel like. You know, for me, life can be 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:54.280 so hectic and it can feel very chaotic and never ending, 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:56.880 and you go out on the road and you're giving 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:01.480 a lot of energy, you're sleeping on a bus, you're sore, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.760 and you come home and you just want to do 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.960 what I call is arriving, and you just want to 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.880 get back to yourself. And I found that fishing it's 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:14.360 a great way for me to do that. It's a 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.320 great way for me to reconnect to myself. And then 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.720 when I come back from the fishing trip, I feel 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.120 like a little bit more like I've arrived at home. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.680 And I started fishing way back when, when my dad 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.400 and my mom used to fish for catfish a long 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.560 time ago, and it'd be like a picnic and we 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.360 sit out there and we spend time together and it 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.760 was really fun. And me and my dad continued that 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.959 tradition is just going out there and then sitting late 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.040 at night overnight sometimes to catch catfish. And I taught 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.080 him how to fish for bass. You know, all the 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.600 different techniques, and that's just something that makes us both 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.319 feel like little kids. And it's cool hanging out with 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.480 your parents, like having that kind of like inner child experience. 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.640 Do you have any like top memories of going fishing, 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:59.800 like particular locations or particular fish that you've caught that 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.600 you still wow, like this is it doesn't get better 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:02.880 than this. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.880 I remember I was in Poland. I was like in 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.400 I think Warsaw and we had a day off and 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.920 I had asked the promoter at this festival, can you 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.320 take me fishing? And he thought it was hilarious. But 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.360 in Poland is a little different than America, like you 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:22.320 probably it's different from the United Kingdom as well. Like 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.360 here we have like public land you can just go 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.320 and fish. And there it's like you got like these 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.080 clubs or you have to ask for permission, okay, And 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.880 so we go to this club and had these giant 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:35.600 gates and we go through the skates and this place 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.920 is nice, like the landscaping was a ten out of ten. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.079 And you go to the desk and check in and 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.440 I'm like, what the hell's going on here? And there's 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:49.400 this little guy. You know, they didn't think much about me. 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.600 They'd never seen somebody like me come in and ask 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.880 to go fishing, so to give me like a cane pole, 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:58.520 which is just a stick essentially with some corn, a 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:00.520 cane pole with some corn on a hook, and I'm 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.640 catching these little fish. I think they're calling him roach 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.480 catching his little tiny fish. And I was doing this 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:06.960 for about an hour and I turned around and look 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:08.480 at the guy and I was like, can so is 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.560 this bait? Or like what are we doing here? And 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:13.920 he started laughing and he's like, oh, you want to 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:18.800 catch real fish? Huh. I was like yeah. And you know, 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.960 we get in this little boat, this little plastic boat 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.440 to me and this guy, and this guy, I'm not 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.200 gonna say he was like he wasn't the kindest guy. 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.920 So we get in the boat. He passes me ride 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.520 and I'm nervous because this guy's like staring at me, like, oh, 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.559 she thinks she can catch a fish, So I like cast. 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.360 It was like a terrible cast. I was like embarrassed, 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.520 and he was like you could throw better than that. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.760 She's like you're throwing like a girl. And I was like, okay, 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.640 Well where I'm from We don't say that no more, 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.120 but whatever, dude, and I cast it and I'm casting 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:53.160 out far, I let the lyric fall and I hook 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.439 into the biggest trout I've ever seen in my life. 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:57.480 It was, I mean, it must have been like thirty 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.240 inches long or something, I don't know, definitely a chunky, 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.240 chunky fish. And I look at this man's face and 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.000 he was looking at me in disbelief, in shock, and 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.640 I was like, oh yeah, buddy, I'm out here fishing. 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:10.720 You know what I'm saying. Howbit you didn't expect that? 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:12.480 And then we became best friends. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.679 I was gonna say, that's the glee. The feeling of 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.440 just like of that moment must have been so good. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.040 The glee is sharing that with a stranger. It was 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:22.520 a great memory. I'll never forget it. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.839 In terms of get into music. We spoke once before. 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.920 It was a long time ago, Alabama, Shakespeare in the UK, 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:32.000 paying your first shows here, so this was like I'm 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:36.560 gonna say, twenty eleven, twenty twelve must have been. And 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:38.960 I remember we talked a lot about this sort of 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.760 strange and exotic food that you'd encountered on that first 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.880 trip to Europe. You'd been when I spoke to You've 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:48.119 been eating snails in Paris, You've been eating hagis in Scotland. 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.839 And I wondered whether, like any of those things became 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.960 like culinary favorites of yours in the end. 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:58.640 No, No, I remember that trip. I remember that trip, 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.280 coming to the UK the first time and bringing this 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.520 little digital camera that my managers had given me, and 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.960 I remember having just the best time. And I took 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.880 pictures of everything. I took pictures of the red telephone 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:17.320 booths and and I was asking for a crumpet. I 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.040 was like, give me a crumpet, Give me where can 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.600 I find a crumpet? And then I finally had the crumpet. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.320 I was like, oh, you're like, this is just average. Yeah, 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.520 it was pretty average. Yeah, but I but I did 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.000 it my little scavenger hunt, a little English scavenger hunt. Yeah, 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.000 mush I had the mushy peas. I had the fish 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:38.559 and chips. I had some sort of like what some 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.520 some sort of vinegar sauce I'll be putting on stuff. 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:46.040 I had that too. Uh yeah, fond memories. 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:47.720 I mean, what was what's your kind of like recollections 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:51.240 of that that period like generally, I mean literally a 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.320 few months before that, you're like still working jobs back home, 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.640 and then like you know, things start to move. You 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.679 know you're in the UK. Thing's probably pretty like overwhelming. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.760 Like what your reflections on that period and the person 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:05.600 you were at that point. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.280 I mean I was like I was like early twenties, 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.480 very young, so I had a lot of energy. I 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.520 was very excited to be going. I couldn't believe I 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:19.360 was like traveling the world. Never saw that coming for 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.960 my life, so I had eyes wide open. I wanted 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.280 to experience everything. I mean I remember being in Spain 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.480 and meeting these two people on the street and they 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.600 were like, we couldn't get tickets to your show. And 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.600 I was like, I'll give you a ticket. I'll give 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.400 you tickets to my show if you bring me a 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:40.520 moped after the show. And so like they're like, we will, 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.360 we will, we promise. So I give them the tickets. 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.480 I go out the back door after the show and 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.600 there's a convertible and I was like, this isn't a moped, 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.240 and they were like, well, it's the best we could do. 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.320 So I just hop in the car. We're just like 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.280 driving through Spain. At night. It was awesome. So I 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.000 just I had the best time. You know, I'd never 0:14:58.000 --> 0:14:58.960 seen anything like it. 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.400 Did you sort of lean into the adventure of it? 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:03.960 Like did you sort of think this might only happen once? 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.320 Like I'm gonna I'm gonna get into convertible with two 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.360 people I've just met and go and see Madrid. Whatever 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:09.760 it was. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.360 I was definitely like, not sure how long this is 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.320 gonna last. For I had high hopes and I was 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:22.240 willing to work really hard, but just living in a moment. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.320 Like I said, I was like a young person and 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.800 we would stay out late and I mean we were 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:31.120 running amok. It was funny because like in Australia, we 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.000 were doing I think it's called Big Day Out so 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.720 traveling festival and so you travel around the whole country 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:41.400 and every night when the festival's over, they open up 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.840 a bar for the bands and the bands can go 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.160 to the bar and drink for free. And so we 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:49.280 go to the bar and uh, they quit serving us 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.280 after about the third bar. They were like, are y'all 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.960 album schicks? I was like, yeah we are, and they're like, 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.440 y'all gotta get out of here. We were showing out 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:58.960 we were showing out because I always tell people everybody's like, oh, 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:00.760 rock and roll bands, they must party so hard. No, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:04.080 it's the soul bands, the soul bans. Something wrong with us. 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.360 I know, yeah that I've been to that festival and 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.920 I've actually been in those bars, and like that is 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:16.960 drinking them dry is pretty impressive. Yeah, yeah, who was 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:18.800 with you? Who were the other because it's like that 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:20.640 big day out I don't think happens anymore. But it 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.720 was like a touring. It was the same lineup, wasn't 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.720 it that moved around different cities in Australia and New Zealand. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.000 So who was out on with you at that time? 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.480 Did you imagine like persuade any other bands to come 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:32.120 drinking with you? 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.040 I'm trying to remember so long ago, and I remember 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:41.640 Gay Clark Junior was there, Red Hat Chili Peppers was there. 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.480 I'm pretty sure, yeah, And it's kind of all I 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:45.520 can remember right now. 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.280 It's obviously like a really exciting time for you. Right 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:53.720 now you're you know, you're sharing his second project under 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.360 your own name. It's called what Now. But I wanted 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.480 to reverse a couple of years if I may, and 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.880 I loved your album Jamie Really in twenty nineteen, and 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.520 a couple a couple of years later you released Jamie 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.480 Reimagined with where there was like a number of your 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:12.040 music peers reworked those songs in their own kind of 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.600 interpretations and in their own ways. That was people like 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.680 Bonnie Ver and Fred Again and Michael Kiwanuku and Childish Gambino, 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.520 so many amazing people. Those songs were really really personal 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.320 to you obviously, so what did you make of of 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.800 sort of handing them over to others to interpret them? 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.320 And we were there any of those that when they 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:31.919 came back to you for the first time, any of 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.760 those versions from other artists where you where you couldn't 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:36.800 believe what they've done with it. 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.840 I was so excited that people wanted to participate in 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:45.080 the project. I always love other creatives, and especially I 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:50.000 love how people hear different things. So it was just 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:54.000 like it was just like a like a like a 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.359 project of love. And I was just like, hey, do 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:58.480 you want to do you want to pick a song? 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.159 You want to try to like redo it? And a 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:05.520 lot of people said yes, And I remember all of them, 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:11.080 I think are fantastic. I remember specifically listening to Little 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:17.719 Dragons version of Presence, and there's this drum outro at 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.600 the end that I absolutely did not expect, and the 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.120 whole thing rises and gets to this like fever pitch, 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.000 and I just got I thought it was so cool 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:27.719 and I couldn't really have thought of that myself, and 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.000 that's the magic of the whole thing. And then also 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.879 I loved Michael keiwan Nuka's version of thirteenth century Medal, 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:41.399 absolutely insane, and also Bonavere's version of Short and Sweet 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.880 is still one of my favorites to this day. I'll 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:46.800 still sit down and listen to that. And yeah, I 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:48.800 just love what people did with it. I just think 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:49.919 it's such a cool thing to do. 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:52.520 Yeah, I left with Donald Glover did as well. I 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:53.720 thought it was yeh. 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:58.480 Oh, absolutely, ol Fred again, come on, everybody's brilliant. Everybody's brilliant. 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.359 It's true, It's true. This song's was so personal, like 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.800 you didn't mind kind of like trusting him, putting him 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:05.640 in the hands of somebody else, if that makes sense. 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:07.920 No, not at all. I didn't even give it a 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.680 second thought. Really. I was just like, these people are 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.080 all good. I can't wait to hear what they do. 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:17.520 You've always received such like warm encouragement from like other musicians, 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.280 like throughout the years of doing this, like right across 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:24.200 the spectrum, like from literally like Adele to Tyler the Creator, 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:29.000 Chris Martin to Kendrick Lamar. What kind of what does 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.439 that sort of support mean to you when somebody speaks 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:33.520 highly of your work? Does it feel you in any 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.400 way or either kind of person that sort of just goes, oh, 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.960 that's nice, thanks very much, But you know, I'm just 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:40.920 doing my own thing. 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.480 No, I think it's incredibly humbling because I'm all my 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:46.600 reaction is always like, oh my god, I didn't know 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.840 who I am. Like that's literally my reaction because I 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:51.960