1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Let's raise some ruckus. Baby, what do you. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: Say, raise smell? 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Let's ray some hell. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: I say, let's raise some ruckus. 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: No, I say, let's ray some change, Let's raise some cut. 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the No Dunks 7 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 2: Podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Monday, June nineteenth, twenty 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: twenty three. 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: I'm j. 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And 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: after today's classic, check out the brand new is This 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: Good podcast with our very own task melists joining Mettio 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: and JD to discuss cat scratch fever, victory cigarettes, the 21 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: worst baseball fans to sit next to, and. 22 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: A whole lot more so live topics. Yeah, just flies 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: through topics, you know how he is? Oh yeah, sitting 24 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: on a topic too long. That's a good time, good 25 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: good stuff. So is this good has its own podcast feed. 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: It's on YouTube feed, so seek that out and join 27 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: the Patreon too for medio. 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: And jd over there. I can't wait to listen to 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: that one. But first, TK. 30 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 3: We got all. 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: Sales a tree. 32 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. The Washington Wizards reportedly are finalizing a 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: deal to trade all star guard Bradley Beal to the 34 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: Phoenix Suns. Persham's The Sons are sending Chris Paul, Landry 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: Shammitt a package of future second round picks and multiple 36 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: pick swaps to DC in exchange for Beal. Now, Jordan 37 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: Goodwin has been told he's likely being included in this 38 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: deal too, so we'll put him on the board. There, 39 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: Beal and Goodwin to the Phoenix Suns in exchange for 40 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: Chris Paul, Shammitt and, like I said, the second round 41 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: picks and a couple first round pick swaps. There is 42 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: a chance that the trade could eventually include a third team, 43 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: specifically to acquire Chris Paul, but the basic framework is done. 44 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: Tass mellis, let's start from the Sun's side of things. 45 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: The Sun's interesting. 46 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to the Wizards and a bunch of 47 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: questions surrounding them with Chris Paul and a couple of 48 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: their own guys. But from the Sun side. 49 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: Of things or from the Wizards, what the hell? Well, yeah, 50 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: I mean, getting nothing for Bradley Beal. That's a fairly 51 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: good question to start with. They backed themselves in a corner. 52 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: There's no doubt over the last few years they took 53 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: forever to make this happen. Now with the new CBA coming, Yeah, 54 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: they played themselves. There's no doubt they are picking a direction. 55 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: That's fine, But here at what we thought last year. 56 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: A first round pick and a young player. Is that 57 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: a lot to ask for Bradley Beal looking at everything 58 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: that's happened the last few years, No, it shouldn't be. 59 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: They didn't even get one of those. They didn't get 60 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: a young player or a first round pick. They got 61 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: pick swaps, which isn't the same thing. So sure, I mean, yeah, 62 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: that's just what the hell happened. 63 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: On the other side, hold on, isn't what the hell 64 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: happened is when they gave Bradley bial a no trade clause? 65 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: They played themselves. 66 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's like, all right, he also played them. 67 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: I think yeah, which. 68 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: That's why this deal sucked. 69 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: Exactly. 70 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: That's why this deal sucks. And I mean, honestly, a 71 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: little bit shameful from Bale to go from wanting to 72 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: win in Washington to basically destroying Washington basketball for the 73 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: next decade. A bit of a curve ball there, for sure. 74 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 3: But it's crazy to think that we were talking about 75 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: trade packages over the weekend or before the weekend, and 76 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 3: task is like they got to get something better than 77 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: the eighteenth pick. They would love to have gotten the 78 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: eighteen pick. 79 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: Here, Well, if Miami did apparently offer two first round 80 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: picks and essentially that no trade clause prohibited that Wizards 81 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: from trade him to any team but the Phoenix Suns, 82 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: that's what That's what it feels like. He just said 83 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 1: I'm only going to that one team and they didn't 84 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: even have first round picks to offer. So this is 85 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: what they ended up with, money savings and that's it. 86 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: Do you think a part of that is on Father's 87 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 2: Day of all days? Being Mark Bartldstein, the agent of 88 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: Bradley Beal, his relationship with the new CEO of the Sons, 89 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: Josh Bertlstein, his son, he is the only team he'll 90 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: decide to go to I think that's just a coincidence. 91 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: I know. 92 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I think the Skids were certainly greed, but 93 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 3: I mean it all comes down to the to the 94 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: no trade clause. Absolutely, because the Washington or the Miami 95 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: deal seemed better, even though by all accounts it ended 96 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 3: up being Lowry Robinson and then first round picks. 97 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: That's way better. 98 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: I would love the first round picks. Yeah, I would 99 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 3: love Robinson. Duncan Robinson like he would maybe actually play 100 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: for the team. There's no guarantee that Chris Paul's around, 101 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: There's no guarantee that Landry Shammitt's around. They got nothing. 102 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: They got nothing for their second leading score all time. 103 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: It's nuts. I guess. 104 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 3: I hear people saying that the Wizards won this deal. 105 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: Sh whatever, There's no way they won this deal. They 106 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: are picking a direction that's wonderful for them. They're not 107 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: going to be a middling team. There's going to be 108 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: a bad team, and that's good. But why not take 109 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: on a first round pick. It doesn't cost you money 110 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: right off the bat, It doesn't do anything but give 111 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: you hope, give those Wizards fans hope that this might 112 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: be a good player in the future. So the no 113 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: trade clause is the screw job, Yeah, that's for sure. 114 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: And like you said about the Bartlesteain thing, if Bradley 115 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: Beal waives his no trade clause now, then you know 116 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: he's doing somebody a favor there in Phoenix, because the 117 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: no trade clause is back. He's still part of his contract, 118 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: so he still controls it. Maybe it's the last one 119 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: we ever see an NBA history, at least for the 120 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: foreseeable future, until somebody screws up again. But why would 121 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: you give somebody a no trade clase when you see 122 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: this happen? 123 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: So Phoenix, Phoenix the after acquiring Kevin Durant in February 124 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: and using a lot of their draft capital to make 125 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: that happen, going all in on kd obviously going out 126 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 2: in the second round to your eventul champion Nuggets. They 127 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: what doubled down here, Trey Kirby in acquiring Bradley built 128 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: for not a lot. We're all in agreement with that, 129 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: for next to nothing. But they have put themselves into 130 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: a bit of a corner here in regards to their 131 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: to the number of players on their team that make 132 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: all the money, and now they have to fill out 133 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: like ten roster spots with next to nothing, especially when 134 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 2: we start talking about the second apron around the horizon. 135 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because the Sun's got better. Bradley Beal 136 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: definitely an upgrade over Chris Paul. I mean, I guess 137 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: you would probably have the same availability concerns for both 138 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 3: of them. But as we saw with Chris Paul, like 139 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: going into the playoffs at this point, you should expect 140 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: them to miss some games. Beale, on the other hand, 141 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 3: we don't know because he hasn't played in the playoffs 142 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: quite some time. But they got better. They didn't really 143 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: give up anything in Chris Paul and Landry Shammock, guys 144 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: who are rotation players, but replaced by Beal certainly, And 145 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: I think they came into Sunday being the second best 146 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 3: team in the Western Conference and they leave Sunday being 147 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: the second best team in the Western Conference. So they 148 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,559 Speaker 3: got better, but not in any areas where they needed 149 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: to improve. After watching the way things went against the 150 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: Nuggets in the playoffs, they had no chance against Jokich. 151 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: Most teams don't, so that's going to continue to be 152 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 3: the case. They didn't have enough death to hang with 153 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: the Nuggets. You don't need a ton of guys, but 154 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 3: you need more than four. And right now that we 155 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: got four and all the guys that they're gonna have 156 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: to sign again because there's no other ways to really 157 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: improve this team. So what you're bringing back campaign Ish, 158 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: Wayne Right, Tory Craig, guys who could play one game 159 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: in the playoffs against the champions and then were completely useless. 160 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: So basically the same for the Suns. But now they 161 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: got Bradley Beal, that's it more marketable. I guess they 162 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 3: got beat down by the Nugets, no doubt. Chris Bal 163 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: didn't even really play in that series. Sheldonmself for two games. 164 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: I guess he played seven quarters. He had one good quarter, 165 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: he had eight points, and then he went. 166 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: He was gone. So they had they had Durant and 167 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 1: Booker and yeah, I guess they won the most games 168 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: off of any from the Nuggets, out of anybody in 169 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: the entire NBA. Winning too, uh and and Bill will 170 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: help their offense. They can score with the Nuggets. But 171 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: I do agree they got to change up their makeup really, 172 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: and I think the only way they can do that 173 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: is trading DeAndre. They've got three scorers. Now they don't 174 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: need Ayton to do that on that end. Yeah, he 175 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: got beat by Jokic, so does everybody. I think Jock 176 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: Landale coming in for DeAndre and played him better to 177 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: be all and you know, to be honest, and those 178 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: are the type of guys you need around Booker, Bial 179 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: and Durant, grinders, that's what you need. And so I 180 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: think eight and look at him as a fourth banana. 181 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: Now is he going to be happy? I would think 182 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: there's very very very little chance he's going to be content, 183 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: going to be able to do grinding work when he 184 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: wasn't really doing that last year. They tried to get 185 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: him involved, so I think they got to trade him for. 186 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 2: Sort of multiple pieces. 187 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: Some defenders for sure. 188 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, he has owed eight and is thirty two point 189 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: four to six million in twenty three twenty four, So 190 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: next season he has almost one hundred million guaranteed to 191 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: him over the next three years. I mean, when you 192 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: look at the Suns right now, they have nearly three 193 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: quarters of a billion dollars in guaranteed money on their 194 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: books for Bale, Booker, Durant and Eaton. Well, no, it's 195 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: not our money, but it matters in the sense of 196 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: obviously building out the rest of the roster, Like you're saying, 197 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: these guys that they have on their team they need 198 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 2: to convince to come back or resign them and then 199 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: go find a bunch of that minimum guys. Come on back, 200 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 2: Dwight Howard, Hey, DeMarcus Cousins. What are you doing, Mike James, 201 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: he has a relationship with Kevin Durant playing overseas. You know, 202 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, or this idea, And I'd love to 203 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: hear your opinions on possibly trading Eaton. Is that Is 204 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: that a smart move? Should the Suns look to do that? 205 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's a smart move. I think they're not gonna 206 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 3: get a player as talented as Aton. Ayton's still good. 207 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: He was like eighteen and ten last year, But like 208 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 3: Tasa saying, there was drama within the franchise and between 209 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 3: Aighton and the franchise. Maybe that lessons now with Monty 210 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 3: Williams being gone and Chris Paul being gone. I don't know, 211 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: but it's basically been two seasons of Ayton being unhappy 212 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 3: and now he's gonna get even less. Looks like the 213 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 3: guy's gonna be Joel Anthony out there and I don't 214 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 3: think that's what he wants. So one player turned into 215 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: two I think probably is smart for the Suns. But like, 216 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: are you getting excited about PJ. Washington, Kelly Ubray and 217 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: either Big Mark or Big Nick Probably not Miles Turner 218 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: and Buddy Heel. That's interesting, but that deal couldn't happen 219 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 3: last year. You gotta have somebody that's really excited about Aton. 220 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 3: I guess the Pacers did sign him to his contract, 221 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: so maybe he's on the move. But you're not getting 222 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: anybody better than DeAndre Ayton in this trade. And guess 223 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 3: what the best player in the league is a center, 224 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: Like you gotta have a good center. So I don't know, 225 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 3: this is tough. I heard Tim Bontems compare the Suns 226 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 3: to the Lakers team with Westbrook, where it was Lebron, 227 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 3: Davis and Westbrook as the big three and then you 228 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 3: got basically minimum contract guys. They didn't have the right 229 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: mix around those three. They had to trade everybody and 230 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 3: they wasted a year and a half doing it. So 231 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 3: something similar could be in the mix for Phoenix here 232 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 3: having three guys that you know are making ninety percent 233 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: of your salary cap and you're just trying to find 234 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: whatever scraps you can. You're talking about three guys that 235 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: are out of the league who might need to come 236 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 3: back without this team. 237 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. 238 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, they got to get creative with the trade. I 239 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: did this with the Chicago Bulls. Alex Caruso the headline. 240 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: They have been rumored to wanting to deal him because 241 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: they got to move on DeAndre Ayton, a young, promising, 242 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: big come on over. That would be the biggest part. 243 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: I would say, Patrick Williams giving up on him as 244 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: another rotation guy. And really the thing that would make 245 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: it work money wise is the contract of Lonzo Ball. 246 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: Maybe you get some insurance back for that because he's 247 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: always injured, but I think that helps the mentality of 248 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: the team with Caruso and Patrick Williams. 249 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: It's a great trade for the Suns. 250 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 3: It's a great trade. 251 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: That would be a great hope. 252 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 3: Saying note of that, yeah, why they get eight. 253 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: And out of it, they've got an old Caruso. What 254 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: why I mean Lonzo If the Lonzo Ball is not playing, 255 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. He was rumored to be moved on, 256 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: So I think I think there's a possibility. 257 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: The other ones I've seen are eight into the Mavericks 258 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: for like Tim Hardaway Junior, Reggie Bullock, maybe a JaVale 259 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: McGee to get like some sort of center in there. 260 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: The one I like, uh, you know it does it 261 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: lacks a center or size. But would the Magic be 262 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: interested in all in like a cheap buy on DeAndre Eaton? 263 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: Could you do like Jonathan Isaac, Gary Harris and Michael 264 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: Carter Williams they have something like that. 265 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: I thought that too. They got a lot of forwards, 266 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: but they also have a lot of centers. Yeah, and 267 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: then they're just a glut of a team as big, 268 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: so it makes a lot too. 269 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty two million next season, thirty four the season 270 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: after that, thirty five and a half after So a 271 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: team has to love them. Yeah, like it gets because 272 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 3: it gets. It's gonna bee a harder trade players on 273 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: big contracts too, because all the overcap teams won't be 274 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: able to aggregate guys. 275 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 276 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: So, I don't know, some team's got to really really 277 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: believe in Ayton, and I don't know that a lot 278 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: of teams do. The team he's playing on, who's been 279 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 3: one of the best teams in the league, doesn't believe 280 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: in them. 281 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta find just one. I mean, the Pacers 282 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: signed him to a contract last year twelve months ago. 283 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 3: Suns matched and then but then the Pacers signed Turner again. 284 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 3: M hmm. 285 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, it's that's a that's a weird one. 286 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like there's a fit there for the 287 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 1: Pacers to make that deal. I wouldn't really get it. 288 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: But you have some hope with Ayton to be a young, 289 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: young center for the future. I haven't looked at the 290 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: Pelicans maybe, I mean that's that sounds a little crazy, 291 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's more of a Phoenix Sun situation, wanting 292 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: to pry one of their big defensive wings because Trey 293 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: Murphy has surpassed Herb Jones in the depth chart. I mean, 294 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: it's if you can scoop herb Jones. You're laughing, But 295 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. Do the Pelicans really love that over 296 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: Yonis Fallon Tuness. Probably not. Yeah, they got to find 297 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: somebody's a little desperate, a little desperate and sort of 298 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: on the back end. That's why I like the Bulls deal, 299 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: because they're you know, they're wanting to rebuild, and so 300 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: you got to find a perfect scenario but it has 301 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: to happen sooner rather than later because of the CBA. 302 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: But you all think that this is the move, the 303 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: next move for Ishbia and the Suns here to try 304 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: and move off of Aighton. You don't believe. You know, 305 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: new coach in there, Frank Vogel can get something out 306 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: of Aton, and you can. He can be your fourth banana, 307 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: expensive fourth banana. But like, have him commit and then 308 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: and then try your best to fill out the rest 309 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: of the roster. It's just the easiest path forward to 310 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: get two or three capable players for Eton. 311 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: It sounds like everybody's saying I think so because I 312 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: don't envision eight and saying I want to be the 313 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: defensive player of the year. I want to lead the 314 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: league in rebound Again. If he had a complete change 315 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: in mindset, why would you trade him? Yeah, you know 316 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: he was If he was a lockdown defender who just 317 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: wanted to set screens, roll in the basket and dunk 318 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: perfect that's what you'd be looking for in a replacement basically, 319 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: But it seems unlikely that that will be the case. 320 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: The guy said that success in the NBA is getting 321 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: your second contract, and he did so. He's all about 322 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: that bag, which you know, respect to him, but uh, 323 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: I don't know. It seems like the better smarter move 324 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: would be to turn one player into multiple players, because 325 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: they got to have more than four. 326 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: Matt should be a man. This guy, he's just doubling 327 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: it down. Just yeah, it's like he sat down at 328 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: the roulette table, you know last year with the Durant 329 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: Trey when he first comes in, like he just shows 330 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: up at the casino. He's like, five hundred bucks, let's 331 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: put it all on black, comes up red. Okay, damn well, 332 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: let's just double it up again. Like he's got the mentality. 333 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: He's like, I got the bankroll, I'll just keep doubling 334 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: it every time, and I can't lose. 335 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 3: You think, get the roulette ball comes off the spinner, 336 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 3: He'll grab it and hold it. Yeah, take it. 337 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: Back, it's possible. 338 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: But man, this like the impatience really like he fires 339 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: Monti Williams obviously a guy that went to the finals 340 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. He gave away a ton 341 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: of depths and all of your draft capital to get 342 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, right, and then he goes, you know, all 343 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: in here a risk, no doubt, doubling down on this 344 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: massive contract in Bradley Beal, and we'll see how they 345 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: try and fill out the rest of the roster and 346 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: whether it, like you're saying, Trey, like, how much does 347 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: it improve them? Can they get by some of the 348 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: other elite teams in the Western Conference by just adding 349 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: Bale and then again trying to figure out the rest 350 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: of the roster. Like, James Jones has got to get 351 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: to work here, he does. 352 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 3: I mean, all he's got, all he has to do 353 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: now is look at like sort load a high on 354 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: free agency prices because he has no picks he can trade, basically, 355 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: no players he can trade. All the pick swaps are gone, 356 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 3: all the second rounders are gone. I'm breaking Tast's laptop 357 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: over here. So James Jones doesn't have a ton to do. 358 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 3: He's just got to, you know, find a free agency 359 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 3: tracker and look for the guys who are left over. 360 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just got one deal to make and picking 361 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: up guys off the scrapy. I think Ayton is his ticket. 362 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: He really doesn't have a lot of cards play. As 363 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: we've said, GPS and DeAndre In's contract turning into a 364 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: few guys again. I'm all right, Going into next year 365 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: with Jock Landale starting, I know they need more depth. 366 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: They have Bismack Bambo as their center. Joka is gonna cook, 367 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: but at least Landale is going to fight and not 368 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: want shots like DeAndre and if you can get wing defenders, 369 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: I mean that's asking a lot, but more just defenders 370 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: simply put, like Tory Craig is a little old now 371 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: on their roster. 372 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 2: Campaign is still there as the campaign point guard is there. 373 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: They really don't even need a point guard anymore. With 374 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: Bale and Booker, those guys are just gonna play play 375 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: so much. 376 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 2: Well that's the other part here. I mean again, unless 377 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: they can move eight. And for some defensive minded guys, 378 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 2: you're you're asking Devin Booker to be your best perimeter defender. 379 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: You're asking Kevin Durant basically to be your best, uh, 380 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: you know, interior defender. These guys can do it for stretches. 381 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: Can they do it for an entire season? I'm not 382 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: so sure, even if you're asking them to do less 383 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 2: on the offensive end, because now you got Bradley beal 384 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: and and hopefully you know his twenty five points a 385 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: game or whatever, and he needs to hit his three 386 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: point or at a huge clip like you know, Simmons 387 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: brought this up. It's a fair point, like they need 388 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: Bradley Beal to be Ray Allen when he came to 389 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: the Celtics and they started this whole Big three era. 390 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: He needs to be consistently knocking down threes. He's gonna 391 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 2: get the looks, the catch and shoot looks. Obviously with 392 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: all the attention that point, Book and Katie are gonna 393 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: gonna warrant and and he kend like I'm I'm I 394 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: am excited to see Beale on a freaking good team, 395 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 2: like and see how he fits in with these guys. 396 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: I think there's been a lot of talk about he sucks, 397 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: he never't play at all, he's washed because he's thirty. 398 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: You know, there is a lot of that, and maybe 399 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: they'll be proven to be right. I don't think so. 400 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 3: I think badly. 401 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 2: Bal's gonna kill it on this team. 402 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 3: I guess right, like he should be. He's the third 403 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: best of these guys, so that'll be an adjustment being 404 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: the guy who the fewest amount of shots. It was 405 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 3: weird for Chris Bosh when he was the third guy. 406 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 3: It was weird for in love when he was the 407 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 3: third guy. So that's definitely an adjustment he's gonna have 408 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 3: to make, and it's gonna be imperative that Vogel gets 409 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: a lot more interplay from KD, from Booker and from 410 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 3: Bradley Beal, because that was not the case with Money Williams. 411 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 3: When it was KD and Devin Booker. It was just 412 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 3: Booker or KDI goes stand in the corner and be 413 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: a spot up shooter, which was crazy to see happening 414 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 3: and probably part of the reason the lack of creativity 415 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 3: that he is now coaching a different team. But Vogel 416 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: has to figure out a way to like maximize these 417 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: three guys and keep two of them on the court 418 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: at all times. It can be done, but there are 419 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 3: ways to like enhance each other rather than just be 420 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 3: three good players together. 421 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely, especially the way like Booker as a playmaker has improved. 422 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: Beal has shown that he can be a bit of 423 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 2: a playmaker too. But you're right this a lot of 424 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: of course. Now Frank Vogel has got like, holy crap, 425 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: I got a great team here. Well, I've got some 426 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: guys have a great three on three team here? They have? 427 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: Do they have an offensive coach, like an offensive coordinator 428 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 3: because he's a defense guy. 429 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is weird that part that he should get one. 430 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, Matt doesn't mind spending, so pony up 431 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 3: for Mike d'antni maybe spring him back, why not? 432 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, I think they've they filled it out a 433 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: little bit. They got Miles Simon on their roster, on 434 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: their head coaching staff. I don't know. 435 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 2: I guess they made Kevin Young the most uh, there 436 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: we go, maybe got the most expensive assistant coach contracted. 437 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, Miles Simon and John Lucas that they they just reup. 438 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: So that's that's who they're working with. It is really 439 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: really interesting what they're going to get out of deal. 440 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: If he's willing to work, because he's a damn good 441 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 1: playmaker too when he can run pick and roll. If 442 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: Durant's willing to take possessions off, and I think you 443 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: will be where he's not part of the main action. Yeah, 444 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: he averaged like six assists once upon a time. I 445 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: think his three point percentage will go up like when 446 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: he played with John Wall when he was off the 447 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: ball a little bit more. But yeah, are they going 448 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: to be involved enough the difference is with Chris Bosh 449 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: and Kevin Love is you know, three ball handling guards. 450 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: It's just hard to get the ball to all these 451 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: dudes at all times. 452 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: So back to the Wizard's side of things here, tough 453 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 2: to feel good about this deal if you're a Wizards fan, 454 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: Trey Kirby or is there a bit of like, all right, 455 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 2: we ripped a band aid off. You know, we don't 456 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 2: have obviously his albatross of a contract, and we are 457 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 2: picking a direction which appears to be we're going to 458 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: be very bad. We're probably doing it a year or 459 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 2: two too late, but we are here now, couple years late. Yeah, 460 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: what do you think I mean? 461 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,959 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be excited if I'm a Wizards fan. Were 462 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 3: you guys excited when the Raptors traded Vince Carter? That's 463 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: what this really reminds me of. They got back Alonzo 464 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 3: Morning who didn't play, Eric and Aaron Williams, random dudes, 465 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: and then a couple of late first round draft picks, 466 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: which the Suns or the Wizards would have been very 467 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: happy to get late first round draft picks. And maybe 468 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 3: the pick swaps turn into something in twenty thirty, But 469 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 3: that is a long time from now. I don't know. 470 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 3: It's hard to get excited about the Wizards anyways. Their 471 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 3: fans don't show up at the beginning of the game, 472 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 3: so I don't think they were hyped to be seeing Kuzma, 473 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: Porzingis and Beel once again. But they traded their second 474 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 3: leading scorer of all time for nothing like these guys 475 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 3: may not even play for the team. 476 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 477 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: No, it's very bustible, so I would not be happy, 478 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 3: but I don't know. So to me, I don't mind 479 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: getting a tense seed. I don't mind it. I like 480 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 3: seeing my team competing games. 481 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: Well, they brought in the Clippers singer from the front 482 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: office there. They brought in Dawkins from okay See's front 483 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: office there because they wanted to rebuild. I get it, 484 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: but you can't rebuild without first round picks. That's the 485 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: confusing part to me. Okay SE's treasure chest is filled 486 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: with first round picks, and maybe they turned Chris Paul 487 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: into one. I suppose there's a chance there, But this 488 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: is this is weird. And yeah, I was excited for 489 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: the Vince Carter trade because I was young and dumb, 490 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: but at least there was two first round picks in 491 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: that deal, and yeah, they screwed up. And they took 492 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: Joey Graham and he's an assistant coach with the Denver Nuggets. 493 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: Oh no, that's Steven Graham. Another Graham. But yeah, they 494 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: screwed up for sure because of the picks just not 495 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: being there. If you're a Washington Wizard fan, the words 496 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: first round pick at least offer some hope. Pick swaps. No, 497 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: that's not sexy. I mean the pick swaps could be 498 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: if they could. 499 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 2: Be twenty twenty six pick swap could be yeah, something. 500 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: It could be. Could the pick swaps could be from 501 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: twenty four because it's not clear where the pick swaps 502 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: are from, so the pick swaps could be twenty four. 503 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: That's not gonna be a good pick. Like, that's the 504 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: phoenix Ons first round pick. That's not gonna be a 505 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: good run. Maybe the twenty six one and maybe the 506 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: twenty thirty one. Those are the three that they have 507 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: to deal. That's weird stuff. So should not promise the. 508 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: New front office of the Wizards. Should they have played 509 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: this out a little longer? Should they have said, well, okay, 510 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 2: he's only picking Phoenix, but this is a really bad 511 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: return we're getting so no, not right now, and maybe 512 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 2: you know, maybe he changes his mind or he opens 513 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 2: up to other teams at the start of next season 514 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: or something. I'm spitball in here, or again, is it 515 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 2: just like, all right, let's just get this done and 516 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: over with. We're probably not going to get her go 517 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: to return as it is, especially with him deciding where 518 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 2: the hell he wants to go and whatever's coming back 519 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: to us. Is that it? So you just do this, 520 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: I guess. 521 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: So if there's nobody else making an offer, it. 522 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: Sort of feels like you've got like a beautiful armoire 523 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: in your house, let's say, Trey, like a nice piece 524 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: of old furniture, real wood. Like it's good, is what 525 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like Bradley Beal like it's it's it's something. 526 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 3: He's a nice piece of furniture. 527 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're it's huge, it's heavy, and it's taking 528 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: up room and you just you just want to get 529 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: it out of your sight and get it out of 530 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 2: the way. And so you're like, let me just throw 531 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: this up on Facebook marketplace and somebody's like five dollars, man, 532 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: I'll come take it, Like I'll get it out of 533 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 2: there and You're like, got five dollars, is like worth 534 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: five thousand dollars. This is nice something. 535 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 3: You're like, you know what, that's a that's a costly armor. 536 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, but you like, just come take it 537 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: five bucks, get it out of here, and I don't 538 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: have to look at it and hopefully never think about 539 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: it again. 540 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: I hear you, Bradley Beal is an armore. 541 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: I think so. 542 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 3: Can you imagine if that armor said to you, I 543 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 3: don't want to be in that house? Yeah right, I 544 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 3: don't like their stairway. 545 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, it says like it says on the bottom of 546 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: the arm war like, only we'll go to Phoenix. So 547 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 2: now you're even more screwed. So now you have to 548 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 2: take a dollar from the one guy in Phoenix. It's like, 549 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: all right, I'll come get it. 550 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: Phoenix suns is engraved on the bottom. I'll return to owner. 551 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: I got pooched. 552 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 3: Wow, when we moved, we literally just threw our armor 553 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 3: in the garbage. 554 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: Well I guess right right. 555 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 3: It was Ikea though, so particle board instead. I don't 556 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 3: know who the I don't know who the Kea armor 557 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 3: of the NBA is, but uh, it feels like or 558 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 3: the Wizards got back what I got back for my. 559 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: Arm or uh. 560 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 2: It will be interesting to see how the Wizard. 561 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 3: To take it to another place that's it right, which 562 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 3: was nice save me packing space. 563 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 2: It will be interesting to see how the Wizards handle 564 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: Chris Paul here. He's got a thirty point eight million 565 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: dollars salary for the twenty three twenty four of which 566 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: only fifteen point eight million was previously guaranteed. It's likely 567 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: becoming fully guaranteed for this trade though. And we've got 568 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: Porzingis and what he's doing with his player option. We 569 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: obways got Kyle Kuzma in free agency, but there are 570 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: reports that Chris Paul could be rerouted to the Clippers here. 571 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: Well that's a Clippers. 572 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, But what Chris Haynes was reporting this, you know, 573 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,479 Speaker 2: Josh Robins saying that the Wizards were going to talk 574 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 2: to Chris Paul and maybe he stays, but probably not. 575 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 2: It's feeling like he of course will be moved. And 576 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: again this could be like a third team being included 577 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: to make this happen. But thoughts on, Thoughts on what 578 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 2: the Wizards actually just do now here with all of 579 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: these guys they've acquired and they're big guys that are 580 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: hitting possibly free agency. 581 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: Well, they're just saying, yeah, we might keep Chris Paul 582 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: just to boost the trade value a little bit, right, 583 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: just to say, Okay, you got to you gotta want 584 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: him a little bit, give us something. And I think 585 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: what they're gonna get back is just more money that 586 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: they can drop. I think that's what's gonna happen. And 587 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: maybe you attach an asset. I I saw the Lakers 588 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: as a possibility. I saw David Aldridge throw this out 589 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: Mobamba and who's the other pack the other Elik Beasley. Yeah, 590 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: those the twosome there that you could literally let go 591 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: or just have for one more year. You know, turn 592 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: those into an asset. I really, I don't think it's 593 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: gonna turn into anything, but you know, maybe a peripheral asset, 594 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: and that's what's gonna happen. The Lakers just seem like destiny. 595 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: It seems like that's where it's gonna happen. And I 596 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: would rather that happen because at least we know that 597 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: their guys are going to be on the floor at 598 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: the end of the season, so they have Chris Paul 599 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: could be playing for a championship because this team was 600 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: pretty good, while with the Clippers, we don't even know 601 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: what they're gonna be. I mean, Ad and Lebron are 602 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: gonna play at some point, so that's where I see 603 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: him end up. It's a it's a bit an about 604 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: it's official. Feels like it. 605 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 3: LA seems to make sense, whether it be the Lakers 606 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 3: or the Clippers. G I guess the Lakers are a 607 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 3: little bit more reliable. I mean, Anthony Davis has missed 608 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 3: a ton of time in the playoffs as well. But yeah, 609 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 3: but they are, Yeah, they are more so, I guess than. 610 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: PG and KWHI and PG. 611 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: But uh, I don't know. I mean, the Lakers seems 612 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 3: to make more sense to me for Chris Paul. But 613 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like we've gotten the signals from Lebron 614 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 3: that he really wants to play from Chris Paul, which 615 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 3: I would say is a little unusual. Like the Mellow 616 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 3: stuff was pretty obvious when he wanted Mellow to come there, 617 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 3: it hasn't been the same for Chris Paul. But all 618 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 3: indications point to somewhere in the crypto dot com arena. 619 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: Porzingis is considering picking up his thirty six million dollar 620 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: player option with the Wizards, and you know, if he does, 621 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: is he going to be moved? There was reports going 622 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: around on the weekend. NBA insider Evan Mass He's saying 623 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: the Wizards had discussions with the Blazers about porzingis Uh 624 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 2: and maybe him going to Portland. You know, I think 625 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: there was some concern that it would be for the 626 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: or third for the third pick excuse me, in the draft. 627 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: I don't think it would be for that, but could 628 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: it be for Nurkic or this here little and like 629 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 2: maybe the twenty three pick that they have. Maybe there's 630 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 2: something there. And then they got to figure out what 631 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: they're doing with Kyle Kuzma too, who's definitely going to 632 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: test free agency here. He's not going to pick up 633 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 2: a thirteen million dollar player option when you can probably 634 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: make twenty million dollars annually. And they got to figure 635 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: out is that him sticking there or not. 636 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: I hope the Wizards get an asset here or there. 637 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: I mean, they have their own picks, yes, in general, 638 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: if they stay in the lottery, which they're going to 639 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: stay in the lottery. But christaphs porzenis a real interesting one. 640 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: Maybe there's a sign in trade there. Christaps Porzingis is 641 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: going to want to get paid right here, right now. 642 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: I think we're seeing money being handed out. I think 643 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,719 Speaker 1: we are going to see a lot of deals because 644 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: of the CBA on the horizon. It penalizes everybody. So 645 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: I think we are going to see deals pretty hot 646 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: and heavy over or the next couple weeks in Christaps 647 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: Porzingis could be one of them. Why wouldn't he? 648 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: He just had so you think he saw opsode of 649 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 2: a thirty six million dollars deal to take probably less 650 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: money annually but for longer. 651 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, or that is a signing trade, right but either way, yeah, 652 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: why not? You don't think somebody will pay Christaps Porzingis 653 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: after he played six or five games this past season, 654 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: had a fairly good year twenty five per year for 655 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: four years. I would take that money right now before 656 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: the CBA kicks in and the league is going bigger. 657 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: He is quite large. Why not? Why not? If you're 658 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: if you're Chris STAPs Porzingis and his agent, you gotta 659 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: do it. I think. So who's willing to do it? 660 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: That's that's a tough question for sure. But teams like 661 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: doing signing trades now, so yeah, yeah, I guess they do, 662 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: and they'll take anything back. The Wizards will take anything back. 663 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: As we've seen. Yeah, probably, especially if they want to 664 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: be the absolute worst team in the league next year, 665 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: which they're setting themselves up to be. 666 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 667 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, the presence of Porzingis probably doesn't change 668 00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 3: whether or not they're going to be one of the 669 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: worst teams in the It might be the fifth worst 670 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 3: team if he's their star. But they should hope either 671 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 3: way that they find a sign and trade for him, 672 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 3: or that he opts into this thirty six million dollar 673 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 3: option and then they can trade him, because this is 674 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 3: a good way for the Wizards to get a first 675 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 3: round pick back. There are lots of competitive teams who 676 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 3: will be interested in Porzingis. Like I saw, Porzingis was 677 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 3: trending on Twitter today and it's like Celtics fans wanting 678 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 3: Warriors fans, the Lakers fans. They want everybody. The Blazers 679 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 3: want him, so there will be a market for Porzingis. 680 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: He's one of the better players available. He had a healthy, 681 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: good season for him, so this would be the time 682 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: to strike for the Wizards because they ain't no reason 683 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 3: to bring him back. And if you're truly rebuilding, like 684 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 3: this is an opportunity to get an asset for the future. 685 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: Just to put a button on this, we got to 686 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: bring up the Miami Heat, I know we were. We 687 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 2: slipped them in there and talking about the Beal part 688 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: of this because they have long been mentioned as a 689 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: potential landing spot for Beal. I mean, it came down 690 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: to Phoenix. It came down to Miami by all accounts, 691 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: and we were getting you know, reports, like you said deals. 692 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 2: Is it Lowry, is it Duncan or is it Ola Depot? 693 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: You know, is it Yovic? Is it the eighteenth pick? 694 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: Is it future picks? Like Miami Heat had way more 695 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: draft capital. And we're hearing you know, from Chris Haynes 696 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 2: now that or maybe even included with this whole deal 697 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 2: situation is like their focus is now on Damian Lillard, 698 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: the Miami Heat. It's like, okay, and maybe this was 699 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: like a part of the whole Wizard's rushing to just 700 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 2: get off a deal and get off of that massive 701 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: contract because of the concern of like is Lillard right 702 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 2: around the corner and is that more enticing to people? 703 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: I guess that's the possibility. But any thoughts on Lillard 704 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: heat rumors here heating up pun intended or you don't 705 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 2: believe this and it's still help you still stink. Portland's 706 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 2: focusing on trying to get a better team around Damian Millard. 707 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have a Bunker's week. I think 708 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be a lot of deals that 709 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: will transpire. I do think this is a huge reason 710 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: why the Wizards struck just said, let's get this going. 711 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: We don't want to be left with no pick swaps. 712 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's all he got. It's that's a 713 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: wild but I think they they're the only route was Phoenix. 714 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: They had to do that. I guess maybe it didn't 715 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: matter if it was two weeks from now. It's a 716 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: very confusing situation with the Wizards. But Lillard and the heat, 717 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: I'm buying. Lillard was putting it out there a few 718 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: weeks ago, more so than he's ever put out there before, 719 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: that he was willing to move on from Portland. In 720 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: that interview with Brian Custer where he was thrown out 721 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: nets sure bam love that guy played with him in 722 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: the Olympics, and the heater willing to go all in 723 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: as well. Seems like the cost is low out there, 724 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: but yeah, the problem is who are the heat bidding 725 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: with for Damian Lillard. It's not gonna be as low 726 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: as a Washington Wizards price, but it seems like it's 727 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: gonna be fairly low. So those first round picks, sure, 728 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: and then you get back into the players of like, 729 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, you're Lowry Robinson maybe hero category trade. 730 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 2: Any thoughts on Chris Haynes here reporting you know, he's 731 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: obviously pretty locked in when it comes to Damian Lillard 732 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 2: you have to pay indeed. 733 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 3: Thoughts on this, Yeah, we haven't gotten the trade request 734 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 3: from Chris Haynes, so I don't think beat Or Lillard 735 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 3: is gonna get traded until he makes a trade request. 736 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 3: It'll be just like Kevin Garnett in Minnesota. He will 737 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 3: stick it out as long as possible and then whenever 738 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 3: he decides to make the change, Portland will honor that 739 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 3: trade request and everybody will feel good about it. But 740 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like that has happened yet. So I imagine 741 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 3: Joe Cronin has a very busy week on the phones 742 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 3: because it's either trading Lillard or trading the third pick. 743 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 3: Like you can't. You can't end Thursday having Lillard and 744 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 3: a number three draft pick. You just can't do it. 745 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 3: You either have to have the number three pick and 746 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 3: we're going forward trying to win with Scoot or Brandon Miller, 747 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 3: or you trade that pick and Simon's to try and 748 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 3: bring in somebody who's gonna help Lillard right now, maybe 749 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 3: it's Porzingis, Maybe he's in the mix now that the 750 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 3: Wizards have chosen their path. But I don't know if 751 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 3: the Blazer they are definitely going to get more for 752 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 3: Lillard than the Wizards did for Bal just because of 753 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 3: no trade class. I mean, if was David Aldridge said 754 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 3: Washington wanted multiple first strounders from the Heat, so they 755 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 3: were offering that for Beale. They could offer three, twenty three, 756 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 3: twenty seven I think, and twenty nine. Like, they can 757 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 3: offer a lot of picks, and they can offer young players. 758 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 3: If they wanted to do a hero, they could throw 759 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 3: in Lowry Robinson, all the stuff that the Wizards would 760 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 3: have loved to get for Bal. The Blazers could actually 761 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 3: get it for Damian Lillard, but not until he says, so. 762 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, did Beale not want to go to Miami because 763 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: he didn't want to pull a Kevin Durant joining a 764 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: team that just went to the finals, because it doesn't 765 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: really make a lot of sense other than that, I 766 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,479 Speaker 1: mean both warm weather cities. He likes it hot heat 767 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: and sons, heat and sons. This team that just got 768 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: to the finals, you could say it's a slightly easier 769 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: route to get there in the Eastern Conference, if you 770 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: want to look at it that way. That's the just strange. 771 00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 2: I think you wanted to play with Devin Booker and 772 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 2: Kevin Durant. I think those guys are like at the 773 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 2: top of most players lists of like, I'd love to 774 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 2: play with those guys. Personal opinion, but that's what I think. 775 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,479 Speaker 2: I mean, at least Kevin Durant. Wherever he goes, people 776 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 2: are like, yeah, I'd love to play with the super 777 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 2: team with that guy. And I think Devin Booker is uh, 778 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 2: you know, along those lines. But yeah, why did he 779 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 2: ultimately is is it the father son relationship here in 780 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 2: the front offices in the agent I mean he ultimately 781 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 2: selected it, but he selected Phoenix. Yeah. 782 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 3: I also remember Bradley Beal saying, first and foremost his 783 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 3: nickname is the Big Panda because he eats a ton, 784 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 3: and then I remember he put on a ton of 785 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 3: sympathy weight when his wife was pregnant. Yeah, maybe he 786 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 3: didn't want to go through the Miami heat training regimen. 787 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: Phoenix, it's easier, well, laid back. 788 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 3: They don't have a body fat percent he's checking. 789 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 2: Is he a big golfer? Do we know that Bradley 790 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 2: Beal hit the links? 791 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 3: He's a very rich guy. I imagine he does. 792 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 2: Probably probably all right. 793 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: It'd have been a better fit basketball wise in Miami, 794 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: just he would have the ball more because it's Bam 795 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: rather than Kevin Durant and uh and Devin Booker. But 796 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: we'll never know. We'll never know. I like the body 797 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: fat percentage. Not bad. You don't have you don't have 798 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: coming up and squeezing the gut. Yeah, I'm with you. 799 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,959 Speaker 1: That's just wild. 800 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 3: That's the super team you think or just a big three? 801 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 3: Oh wow, I think there's a difference. 802 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 2: Explain the difference. 803 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this ain't super team. This is three very 804 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 3: very good players who make up a huge portion of 805 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 3: the cap. But I think you have to have multiple 806 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 3: MVPs for it to be an interesting super team, or 807 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 3: at least multiple finals MVPs. So like I'm willing to 808 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 3: I'm I'm including the Miami Heat had Dwayne Wade as 809 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 3: a finals MVP and then Lebron joined him as a 810 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 3: reigning MVP. I don't think this is quite. 811 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 2: So the Warriors, I assume was was Come on, the 812 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 2: Warriors are the most. 813 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 3: Super of teams. 814 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but when Durant got there, he didn't have 815 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: finals mv V though he had an m v P 816 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: had hits. I guess, yeah, okay, but then the Celtics 817 00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: weren't one either. 818 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 3: Then they only won won championship. I agree they weren't 819 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 3: a super team big three they started they had three three. 820 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that one. I mean, where 821 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 2: does Bill rank? Where does Bill rank in the league 822 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 2: right now? 823 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 3: What is he? 824 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: To you? 825 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 2: Is he top? Because I see everybody go from top twenty, 826 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 2: top twenty five, some saying no, I'm not even closed. 827 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 2: He's more like at the back end, like top forty, 828 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 2: top thirty five. Where do you put him? 829 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 3: Probably like top thirty. Yeah, like he's probably he's in 830 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 3: the top ten among guards. But on the lower end 831 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 3: of that, I would. 832 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 2: Say, yeah, you give me your entire list right now. 833 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 2: The top of your head. 834 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: Well, he's not making all NBA. I don't think at 835 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: this point to top six cards in the league pretty unlikely. 836 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're probably right. 837 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: That's all okay, all right, Well. 838 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 2: Let's hear your thoughts on this blockbuster deal here, Bradley 839 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 2: Beal going to the Phoenix Suns. Is it a super 840 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 2: team or is it Big three? Do you even like it? 841 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 2: Will it work? Are they screwed? They have no picks 842 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 2: for like the rest of their future here they are 843 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,399 Speaker 2: really convinced. We're hoping that this results in a championship 844 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,919 Speaker 2: next season or maybe the season after that, because man, 845 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 2: then it gets dark real quick. And what do you 846 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 2: think about the Wizard's return and should he have maybe 847 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 2: gone to Miami? All of this stuff that we just 848 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 2: dissected here, Let's hear your thoughts here on the stream 849 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 2: team or tweet at us at no dunk stake. We 850 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 2: gotta take a break, one break quick one. And when 851 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 2: we come back our Toronto Raptors, every player that plays 852 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 2: for them is involved in the trade room right now, 853 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 2: so we'll talk about that. Don't go anywhere, all right, 854 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 2: I promised you it was a quick break. We're back 855 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 2: here in the Classic Factor. If you're joining us live 856 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 2: on YouTube, we'd love to see it. Hit the like button, 857 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 2: make sure you subscribe, share the show all you podcast listeners. 858 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 2: Leave your boys a five star rating and review. I 859 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 2: have a question for you, guys, how do you want 860 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 2: to tackle, excuse me, all these raptors trade rumors. Do 861 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,919 Speaker 2: you want me to chuck them all at you at 862 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 2: once or go piece by piece here? What would you prefer? 863 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: What if you're in the mood for I want to 864 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: talk about Pascal Siakam. 865 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 2: Really, Okay, we'll go piece by piece. 866 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: That's interesting one. 867 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 2: This one by way of Jake Fisher at Yeaho's Sports. 868 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 2: The Hawks have Pascal Siakam on their radar. 869 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: Oh so this intrigues you on the radar. That always 870 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: intrigues me. 871 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 2: I think on the radar, expressing interest, circling player acts, 872 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 2: all the ways we can say this stuff. 873 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: They're circling Pascal. The Hawks are a team seemingly they 874 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: want to go all in. There's there's a few of 875 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: those teams, right, it just feels like there's That's why 876 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: it feels like there's gonna be some moves this week. 877 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 1: So Pascal Siakam twenty nine years of age is messi 878 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: u Jeri ready to cut Pascal Siakam and go the Hawks. 879 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the return is there. I've heard 880 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: the Blazers smoke. That's pretty interesting. I think a little 881 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 1: bit more than the Hawks situation, because if they are 882 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: willing to give up the number three pick, the rumors 883 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: are that they're more interested in Pascal Siakam than they 884 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: are og Anobi, who has been rumored for the number 885 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: three pick. That's more of a talking point than I 886 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: think this Hawk steal. But Sam smoke is very real. 887 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 2: Right should the Raptors move Sam right now? 888 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 1: I think there's yeah, if you get the right package. 889 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: I think it might be time you have an opinion 890 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,320 Speaker 1: on that. We've seen. We've seen him trade tomar DeRozan 891 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: similar age the success. Maybe we reached our ceiling in 892 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: a similar way. I could see it happening. 893 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 3: It's time to explore things at the very least, just 894 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 3: like the Bulls with Zach Levine, like the time is 895 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 3: now to see what's available. There's a lot of overlap 896 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 3: for Pascal Siakam and Scottie Barnes, Like those are your 897 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 3: top two guys. They play the same position. They basically 898 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 3: play the exact same way. Sam's obviously older, he's more expensive, 899 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 3: so he would be able to bring back more. I 900 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 3: don't know you guys like John Collins, like DeAndre Hunter, 901 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 3: because that's the player Richard and you're likely getting. The 902 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 3: Hawks do have picks that they can trade. They've got 903 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four Kings first round pick, They've got their 904 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 3: own twenty three first rounder, and then they got one 905 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 3: in the way future twenty nine. I don't know if 906 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 3: the Raptors could expect to get three first round picks, 907 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 3: but maybe you pick a couple of those and the 908 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,720 Speaker 3: player as well, Aj Griffin. I'm a fan, that'd probably 909 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 3: be the young guy that you're getting, but it does 910 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 3: feel weird. I agree that the Raptors would be trading 911 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 3: like a borderline All NBA forward for some other forwards. Yeah, 912 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,439 Speaker 3: it would be about getting the picks, I suppose, but 913 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think I would rather have the 914 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 3: number three pick in Simon's as well, if they could 915 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 3: do it. 916 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that does seem more enticing if that's if that's 917 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 2: the direction the Raptors are going to go, and Messia 918 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 2: Zuri and Bobby webster Man they slow play things, and 919 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 2: there are not a lot of leaks when it comes 920 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 2: to the Raptors and that front office too. We don't 921 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 2: really ever know until it actually happens, and shams and 922 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 2: Woes is telling us of a particular trade very very 923 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 2: infrequently do we like get like, ooh, that's a real 924 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 2: leak from the Wraps. But they have decisions to make here, 925 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 2: obviously with the makeup of their team and you know 926 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 2: Fred van bleet Nog, which we're gonna get to here 927 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 2: in a second. But yeah, I think I'm more intrigued 928 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 2: if they are real a Blazers deal led by Simon's 929 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 2: and the number three pick for Siakam than i am 930 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 2: any of these things coming back from the Atlanta Hawks. 931 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: Personally, I'm with you, yeah, And there's it just feels 932 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of sharks in the water, a 933 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: lot of sharks that want to go for right here, 934 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: right now, like your Hawks, like your Blazers potentially if 935 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,240 Speaker 1: they if they choose the non trading. Damian Liller wrote, 936 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: it might be time, might be time to pounce right 937 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 1: now because deals aren't gonna get done twelve months from now. 938 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,240 Speaker 1: It's gonna be dead zone. It's gonna be so dead 939 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: next year before the CBA is signed, before the CBA 940 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: gets into that second deal or second year, I should 941 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: say this is now times. 942 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 2: Now your your beat, couple emergency podcasts coming. 943 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, Raiders are hot now next year you can lose 944 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:08,760 Speaker 1: all those terms. 945 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,919 Speaker 2: Well, if missile Uxeri wanted three first round picks for Ognoby, 946 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 2: how many does he want for me? Probably what's all 947 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 2: one hundred? Well, let's talk about og because several teams 948 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 2: have expressed trade interest in Anonobe. Uh. We had the 949 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 2: Pacers being linked to him, Sacramento Kings, the Blazers, you 950 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 2: know ahead of last year's draft where we're linked with 951 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 2: og there and according to reports, the Grizzlies are dangling 952 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,879 Speaker 2: future first round draft picks to make an upgrade on 953 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 2: the wing. TK will start with you here, Ogannobi. He 954 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 2: obviously seems to have a type of player, especially under 955 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 2: the contract he is that you could put into a 956 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,399 Speaker 2: lot of teams and not miss a beat as a 957 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,839 Speaker 2: perimeter defender that can hit. 958 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 3: A shot, and he's got a good contract, and like, 959 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 3: look at the last two teams we saw win championships, 960 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 3: the Warriors and the Nuggets. They had super athletic Wings 961 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 3: who did enough on offense and then played an incredible 962 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,760 Speaker 3: defense that you're like, I can see oj Anobi slotting 963 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 3: into like an Aaron Gordon KCP Andrew Wiggins sort of zone. 964 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 3: Does different things, but like the exact same sort of 965 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,919 Speaker 3: player can do just enough on offense that you get 966 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 3: a huge benefit from having him out there defensively, I 967 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 3: personally like him the most on the Kings, I think 968 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 3: would be awesome, like to move on from Harrison Barnes, 969 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 3: you go forward with your starting forwards as Annanobi and 970 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,840 Speaker 3: Keegan Murray. That's incredible alongside they're all NBA guys in 971 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 3: Fox and SA Bonus. That could be a really nice 972 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 3: looking team. Or the Grizzlies whenever John Moran comes back 973 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,959 Speaker 3: and we see what they actually look like. He og 974 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 3: I think could have helped put the Grizzlies over the 975 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 3: top last year if joh was able to stay on 976 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 3: the court. But that's definitely an interesting one as well. 977 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 3: Will will the Raptors get back three to four first 978 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,280 Speaker 3: round picks? That doesn't seem to be the case this summer. 979 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 3: You ain't getting that kind of a deal, which is 980 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 3: maybe why the Raptors have taken so many calls. What's 981 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,760 Speaker 3: the price right now? Were we paying up this summer? 982 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 3: Did I mess it up? I think I think I 983 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 3: messed it up. I should have traded these guys at 984 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:04,800 Speaker 3: the trade deadline. 985 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 2: It's possible. It's sort of TVD yeah, I mean, because 986 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,879 Speaker 2: the opposite could be true, where a desperate, desperate team 987 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 2: is like, all right, fine, fine, three picks. We need him, 988 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 2: we need the help we we he fills a hole 989 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 2: in our roster, and like, for all the reasons you 990 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 2: just said, we think OG takes us to you know, 991 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 2: potential championship with the other players we have on our team, 992 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,360 Speaker 2: whatever that team is. We will see here. What do 993 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 2: you think on O G. 994 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 1: I don't think they're ever getting three first round picks. 995 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 1: I think that was just that that hot hot rumor 996 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: that they wanted. And Messiah is a he's a beast 997 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:37,760 Speaker 1: of a bargainer. 998 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 2: He's so he he he, he believes he has to 999 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,800 Speaker 2: win every single trade, and he's got a great track record, 1000 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,799 Speaker 2: doesn't have a lot of l's on the record. But 1001 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 2: this is why I think they must be frustrating as 1002 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,399 Speaker 2: hell to to call up Messiah trade. 1003 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 3: It was reported like basically teams hate calling the Red Yeah, yeah, 1004 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,520 Speaker 3: because your love. Yeah, that's Spurs always get a first 1005 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 3: round pick, another. 1006 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 2: Rout, That's true, true, true with the Pearl deal there yet. 1007 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you're training for Ojan Andobe, you think 1008 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: you're one piece away? Probably like really yes? And oh 1009 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: the Sacramento Kings with o Jan Andobey, what a fit, 1010 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 1: What a phenomenal fit. So they should be willing to 1011 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: give up a decent amount. But I do think mass 1012 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: Ijierie could have gotten more for a bunch of these pieces, 1013 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: as we're seeing around the league a couple of years ago, 1014 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,279 Speaker 1: last offseason, you know, the whole Kevin Durant scenario. But 1015 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: people will pay for Ojan Andobi. What's the going rate? Well, 1016 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 1: Masi is going to get the most. We know that, Yeah, 1017 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: that's for sure. 1018 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 2: And then final report here, the Rockets, the Lakers, the Suns, 1019 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 2: in the Magic have all shown interest in Fred Van Vliet. 1020 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 2: According to league insider Michael Scotto of Hoops Hype, Udoka 1021 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 2: and the Rockets, they're believed to really want like a 1022 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 2: floor general. Here we've talked about the Rockets wanted to 1023 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,240 Speaker 2: get a vet to add to all their young guys. 1024 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 2: They enter free agency with like sixty million dollars in 1025 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 2: salary cap flexibility. So one viable option on the marketplace 1026 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 2: could be Van Vliet, who sounds like is gonna get 1027 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 2: a contract around the thirty million dollar annual mark here, 1028 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 2: probably you would assume like three years something like that. 1029 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 2: Maybe even more could be like three for thirty three. 1030 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you think of those teams 1031 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,240 Speaker 2: reportedly interested in Van Vliet and maybe even the Rocket 1032 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:24,839 Speaker 2: side of things. 1033 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, the two takeaways I have from this is number one, 1034 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 3: that Van Vleet's gonna be leaving the Raptors. There's just 1035 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,080 Speaker 3: too much interest league wide, there's a little bit of 1036 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,320 Speaker 3: cap space out there, and he's one of the best 1037 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 3: players who could feasibly actually change teams. So I think 1038 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 3: one of these teams makes sense, and to me it's 1039 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 3: the Rockets, because that's the other takeaway from me is 1040 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,800 Speaker 3: that we're hearing a lot more about Fred Van Vliet 1041 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,439 Speaker 3: go into the Rockets right now than we are James 1042 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 3: Harden going to the Rockets, So I wonder if that's 1043 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,839 Speaker 3: starting to be more so of a done deal him 1044 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,840 Speaker 3: heading back to Philadelphia, in which case the Rockets do 1045 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,280 Speaker 3: need to add some veteranship they need a point guard, 1046 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,839 Speaker 3: they need some defense, all things that Fred van Viet. 1047 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 3: Fred van Vliet would bring to Houston. Not to mention, 1048 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 3: if you're looking for a guy to learn like the 1049 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 3: ropes of the NBA, how about an undrafted guy who 1050 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 3: made it to All Star level and winning a championship. 1051 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 3: That's kind of like the perfect veteran to be teaching people. 1052 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: The Rockets and Freed van Vliet is perfect, I think 1053 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,880 Speaker 1: for a lot of those reasons. Also just because he 1054 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,680 Speaker 1: is one of the best free agents, as you said 1055 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 1: out there, and I think the Rockets want to they 1056 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,200 Speaker 1: want a big fish this offseason, and that could be 1057 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 1: the biggest of fish. He has come to free agency. 1058 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,279 Speaker 1: He's become a free agent at the perfect time for him, 1059 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,719 Speaker 1: and I could see that. I could see him wanting 1060 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: a fresh start. Number one, Number two being the leader 1061 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: of a team in Houston that's extremely young, and I 1062 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,760 Speaker 1: could see maybe the Rockets and their front office saying 1063 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: maybe it's better to go with younger guy than James 1064 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 1: Harden after maybe thinking on it for a bit. But 1065 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: it does seems like James Harden is going back to Philadelphia. 1066 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: But this is a hot time. This is such a 1067 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 1: hot time. I hope Michael Scotto has things to talk 1068 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 1: about twelve months from now, because I'm I'm not sure 1069 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,200 Speaker 1: he will. You're really concerned about that. I'm so concerned 1070 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,359 Speaker 1: about all these writers and these rumors. Scotto's will find 1071 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: a way, though he always does. 1072 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 2: It could be very weird, especially for us as Raptors fans, 1073 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,239 Speaker 2: if any of this is true, like it's this could 1074 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 2: be a completely different Raptors team at again the next season, 1075 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 2: which isn't a bad thing, Like I think, like who's untouchable. 1076 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 2: Scotty Barnes is not going anywhere. It feels like because 1077 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 2: they traded a first round pick that they'll be re 1078 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 2: signing Perle, so you know he's there. But then if 1079 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,640 Speaker 2: it's getting to the point where, yeah, either Van Vliet 1080 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,480 Speaker 2: or Gary Trent Junior is gone, if not both of 1081 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 2: them in free agency, and then maybe either Og or 1082 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 2: Siakam is gone in whatever incredible deal Messiah is trying 1083 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,360 Speaker 2: to like whip together here, either promising young players, be 1084 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 2: it Simon's and picks and stuff like that, or whatever, 1085 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,000 Speaker 2: maybe a surprise team that comes out of nowhere and 1086 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,080 Speaker 2: wants one of those guys, Like there's gonna be like 1087 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,759 Speaker 2: two or three completely, just like core pieces of a 1088 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 2: championship team gone. And that's probably right, because what's the 1089 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,400 Speaker 2: what's the ceiling just to run this team back? Good? Good, 1090 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 2: but not great. 1091 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,880 Speaker 1: Yep. It feels like the coach. Yeah, it feels like 1092 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:24,279 Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen year where Tomorrow and Lowry just we're 1093 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,399 Speaker 1: getting there, doing well but not enough and so it 1094 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: might be time to move on. I mean, I do 1095 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,799 Speaker 1: I do buy these rumors the Rotters. 1096 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,880 Speaker 2: Are going to trade for Kwi Leonard try to get sick. 1097 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, yeah, funny. All right, let's get to tweet. 1098 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:51,359 Speaker 1: Of the night. Tweet of the night. Wow, we had 1099 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,239 Speaker 1: a retirement in the NBA. A legend, some would say, 1100 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 1: some would say, a player's favorite player. Lou Williams has 1101 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 1: retired seventeen seasons for Lou will drafted way back when. 1102 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,839 Speaker 1: Let's check the accomplishments of Lou Williams out of high 1103 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,919 Speaker 1: school in the second round, forty fifth pick, way back 1104 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,360 Speaker 1: in five the last time you could draft out of 1105 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:21,360 Speaker 1: high school ended up being the all time leading bench score. Incredible. Ever, 1106 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,239 Speaker 1: nearly over thirteen thousand points off the bench, added a 1107 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,560 Speaker 1: couple thous more as a starter three times six Man 1108 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,240 Speaker 1: of the Year. But you know on that he said, 1109 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,279 Speaker 1: there wasn't a role for him as a starter. There 1110 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 1: wasn't a position that coaches were given him. So he 1111 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 1: invented his own and became that guy. Now only Lebron 1112 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: remains as a high school draft from way back when 1113 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 1: that's the only one left. And uh yeah, he's like, 1114 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,040 Speaker 1: it's got some other accomplishments. Let's let's throw these out here. 1115 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,320 Speaker 1: There's a Chicken win chicken wing named after Lou Williams 1116 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,879 Speaker 1: Atlanta's Magic City Strip up. It's called the lou will 1117 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,960 Speaker 1: Lemon Pepper be cute. Drake made a song about him 1118 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,880 Speaker 1: trying to get him to six Man of the Year trophy. 1119 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 1: It worked, yes, in twenty fifteen. Yeah, we got that button. 1120 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 1: Their their little marketing package six man like Lou Will. 1121 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 1: Every time you press that button, you know, it's like. 1122 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:19,920 Speaker 2: Where is that button? 1123 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,279 Speaker 3: We turn it into a lock it in button? 1124 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:23,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we have. 1125 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:25,799 Speaker 1: It's right there. 1126 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:26,319 Speaker 3: I can see it. 1127 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah. I got that. 1128 00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,680 Speaker 2: There was no sorry about it. 1129 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that important. It's like, yeah, like a buzzer 1130 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,480 Speaker 1: in a little board game that you're playing, and uh, 1131 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 1: guys did love him. As I said, you know, he 1132 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,120 Speaker 1: used to say, I'm your favorite player, favorites player, no 1133 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 1: favorite player's favorite player. That's how you say. There you 1134 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:50,080 Speaker 1: go and like Emanuel quickly if you remember getting on 1135 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,920 Speaker 1: the floor and saying, you're the man, I love you, 1136 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,720 Speaker 1: and so it's it's it's. 1137 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,080 Speaker 2: He's one of the coolest players. 1138 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: And he's also cool. Yeah. I was gonna put cool 1139 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,759 Speaker 1: on that graphic as well, just super cool. So that's 1140 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,319 Speaker 1: the Lou Williams package. He didn't play this past year. 1141 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,719 Speaker 1: Played from five to twenty two, took a year off, 1142 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 1: as I guess he was trying to get signed, but 1143 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,879 Speaker 1: it didn't happen. What do you remember him as the most? 1144 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:14,879 Speaker 1: What team do you remember him? 1145 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,359 Speaker 2: That's a good question because he bounced, uh wow, Which 1146 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,280 Speaker 2: team do I remember him with the most? 1147 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,880 Speaker 1: Played the most years with the Philadelphia. 1148 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,719 Speaker 2: Say yeah, I was gonna say Sixers. 1149 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,480 Speaker 1: To start his career, but then lot's of. 1150 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 3: Clippers a little bit for me, Yeah yeah, Clippers and 1151 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:32,440 Speaker 3: Hawks a little bit. 1152 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean he's from here. I mean he went 1153 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,800 Speaker 2: to South Gwinnett High School, which is like thirty minutes 1154 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,560 Speaker 2: east to hear and was like obviously a spectacle. It 1155 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 2: was before we had moved here, but by all accounts 1156 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,799 Speaker 2: was like packing gyms to see this kid and how 1157 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,560 Speaker 2: he played and how special he was. But yeah, I 1158 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,400 Speaker 2: get well, that's tough. I guess I go Philly. I 1159 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,040 Speaker 2: think that's the team that first pops in my head, 1160 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,000 Speaker 2: probably just because of the longevity of him staying there. 1161 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,040 Speaker 2: Felt like he played for more teams in my head too, 1162 00:54:58,800 --> 00:54:59,279 Speaker 2: But you. 1163 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,839 Speaker 3: Want to guess him only six. It's tough. In order, 1164 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,480 Speaker 3: there's a there's some curveballs thrown in. Well, it's Philly 1165 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 3: starts in Philly. Toronto Nope, No, Yeah, that's a Kirk 1166 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 3: stop here. 1167 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,719 Speaker 2: He had a quick quick stop with Hughes to Atlanta, Atlanta. 1168 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:20,879 Speaker 3: Two seasons with Atlanta thirteen fourteen, then Tronto Toronto. Then 1169 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:26,160 Speaker 3: here's the curve. Tonto played one season, Drake made a 1170 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 3: song about him, he won an award, and then he 1171 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,400 Speaker 3: was gone to I'm looking at It, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers 1172 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,360 Speaker 3: and Rockets same season, then Clippers, and then he was 1173 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,680 Speaker 3: Atlanta for twenty one and twenty two. So he made 1174 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,280 Speaker 3: it back to the club. He went back to the Clippers, 1175 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:41,720 Speaker 3: and he went back to the Hawks. 1176 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's like, hey, so that's why I think 1177 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,080 Speaker 2: he played for more teams. 1178 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, La is sweet and Atlanta is sweet, great party cities. 1179 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,040 Speaker 3: Everybody will remember him having two girlfriends. And that photo 1180 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,880 Speaker 3: of him with Alan Iverson from when like Lou Williams 1181 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,400 Speaker 3: was a rookie, Lou Williams was like Alan Iverson's rookie. 1182 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,439 Speaker 3: So that's part of why Lou Williams is so cool. 1183 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,040 Speaker 3: He's got incredible Iverson's stories that he's been telling his 1184 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,840 Speaker 3: entire career. And there's that picture of them sitting on 1185 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,640 Speaker 3: a couch wearing like the biggest shirts and pansy be in. 1186 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:10,680 Speaker 1: Your entire life. 1187 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,560 Speaker 3: There's like four people's worth of fabric on the couch, 1188 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,800 Speaker 3: but just Lou Williams and Allen Iverson sitting together. 1189 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,239 Speaker 2: He Lou Williams blocked me on Twitter because I said 1190 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,280 Speaker 2: something about him having two girlfriends, a complimentary by the way. 1191 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,919 Speaker 2: He didn't like it. I don't know if I'm still 1192 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,800 Speaker 2: blocked mom or not. Quick trivia off of Lou Williams. 1193 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,720 Speaker 2: Here you said, uh, he scored thirteen thousand plus points 1194 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,279 Speaker 2: off the bench. You guys want to see if you 1195 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 2: can name the top ten of most points scored coming 1196 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,000 Speaker 2: off the pine, Jamal Crawford number two. Yeah, Lou Williams one, 1197 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,080 Speaker 2: Jamal Crawford two. There's only one other guy that ever 1198 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,520 Speaker 2: hit over ten thousand. 1199 00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,040 Speaker 1: Off the bench. That's a lot of points, a lot 1200 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,319 Speaker 1: of points. It's a lot of points. You know. 1201 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,759 Speaker 2: It was just Father's Day and great great tie into 1202 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 2: the NBA Del curryl Curry. There you go, eleven thousand 1203 00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,399 Speaker 2: plus points for him. Keep going if you want. 1204 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:08,640 Speaker 3: We're talking Dennis Johnson, Dennis john about Vinnie No, no, no, oh, yes, 1205 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:09,839 Speaker 3: Vinni Johnson is on the list. 1206 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,880 Speaker 2: And there's another Johnson but not who you said, another 1207 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,880 Speaker 2: Johnson Johnson Johnson. 1208 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,400 Speaker 1: Kid. Does he have a very common first name as well? 1209 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,160 Speaker 2: Well, there's in fact, I would say yes, because there's 1210 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,960 Speaker 2: two of these guys in the NBA history. 1211 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,720 Speaker 1: Joe No, not Joe, no, not. 1212 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:35,560 Speaker 3: There's two. One always started as far as Joe Johnson. Yeah, 1213 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,200 Speaker 3: there's Marcus No, no, Dennis. 1214 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 2: He played for the Sons. He played for like he 1215 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,520 Speaker 2: wasn't there to Eddie Johnson's Yeah, yeah, so Eddie Johnson's fourth. 1216 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:50,200 Speaker 2: You got Vinnie he did, he did, He's on the list. 1217 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,720 Speaker 2: And then a couple other great names that you can get. No, no, no, 1218 00:57:54,800 --> 00:58:00,240 Speaker 2: he didn't. Well, yeah, who'd you say? McHale's on the list. 1219 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,000 Speaker 2: I think he makes ten one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, 1220 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:08,200 Speaker 2: eight nine. No, he's ninth, Kevin McHale ninth in very 1221 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:09,640 Speaker 2: very few games. 1222 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,640 Speaker 3: Michael Cooper Byron Scott. 1223 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,280 Speaker 1: Played for I give you. 1224 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,520 Speaker 2: Yet, Jason Terry ten and then these two are tough. 1225 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,080 Speaker 2: But this guy won six Man of the Year twice. 1226 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,160 Speaker 2: I want to say, I'm gonna look that up, but okay, 1227 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,760 Speaker 2: I think he won it twice. Ricky Pierce. There you go, 1228 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:34,280 Speaker 2: Rickey Pierce. And then one more name, just a great, 1229 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 2: great first name that I think is underrated when I 1230 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,520 Speaker 2: that's a great name. But uh no, there's never been 1231 00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,440 Speaker 2: another one of these guys. I don't think. No this 1232 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,480 Speaker 2: he's the only only name in NBA history with this name. 1233 00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,400 Speaker 3: God, sham, God, what can I give you? 1234 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,880 Speaker 2: I think he played for the Jazz Thurle Bailey, that's right, 1235 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:03,680 Speaker 2: Thorle Yes, thorough Bailly. So the list goes like this, 1236 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,080 Speaker 2: as I pop it back up here, most points off 1237 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,480 Speaker 2: the bench in NBA history, Lou Williams leads the way 1238 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,400 Speaker 2: with thirteen thousand plus. Then you got Jamal Crawford, Del Curry, 1239 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,800 Speaker 2: Eddie Johnson, Ricky Pierce two times six Man of the Year, 1240 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:24,000 Speaker 2: Thorough Bailly, what a name, Jerobli, Vinnie Johnson, Kevin McHale 1241 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,880 Speaker 2: and Jason Terry stat muse coming through with that. 1242 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Lou Williams, what a career. Yeah, you could have 1243 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,640 Speaker 1: like accomplishments board and then just cool factor, yeah, cool, 1244 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,800 Speaker 1: just killing it. Sure, I always remember that this is Rando, 1245 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,960 Speaker 1: but I kind of remember him as a Clipper, and 1246 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,720 Speaker 1: he was tied with Blake Griffin for the leader of 1247 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,640 Speaker 1: points per game on that team. Even though he came 1248 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,480 Speaker 1: off the bench, he was awesome off the bench. That 1249 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,240 Speaker 1: you're twenty two points per game, dropped a fifty spot 1250 00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,440 Speaker 1: once upon a time. 1251 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,960 Speaker 2: Fading left jumper Williams, no doubt. Did you see the 1252 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,880 Speaker 2: video that the had up on Instagram to announce this retirement. Yeah, 1253 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,680 Speaker 2: that was really well done. That was such a slick edit. 1254 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,600 Speaker 2: The only thing I kept thinking about then was obviously 1255 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,800 Speaker 2: Bradley Beale being traded to the Suns and they need players. 1256 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 2: Williams should play for the Phoenix Suns. Come out of retirement. Sure, 1257 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,680 Speaker 2: try and win a ring, Try win a chip. Doesn't 1258 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,360 Speaker 2: have one of those, but no, he's done. What a career, 1259 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,960 Speaker 2: Sweet Lou Lou Williams forever. Let's call it there, guys. 1260 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,400 Speaker 2: We will be back later this week. Whatever under blockbuster 1261 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,640 Speaker 2: trades happened, tasta that, it's going to be a busy week. 1262 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:38,120 Speaker 2: I agree with you. 1263 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:39,840 Speaker 1: The draft, I agree with me too. 1264 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,680 Speaker 2: We gotta do some sort of draft preview, maybe even 1265 01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,440 Speaker 2: a mock draft as we get ready for Thursday night. 1266 01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,520 Speaker 2: So make sure you subscribe, hit that like button, share 1267 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,240 Speaker 2: the show with your friends, leave your boys a five 1268 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,480 Speaker 2: star rating and review, and we'll be back before you 1269 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,200 Speaker 2: know it. Cliver Rose, you heard it here first. Have 1270 01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:58,520 Speaker 2: a great time, turn up. 1271 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,320 Speaker 3: Love you guys awesome. 1272 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. And remember Blank scored the most 1273 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,880 Speaker 1: points off the bench this year. Who's that Blank? 1274 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:07,920 Speaker 3: Bobby Portois? 1275 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,640 Speaker 1: Interesting? I haven't looked it up yet, but uh uh 1276 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:16,040 Speaker 1: it's either. 1277 01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,840 Speaker 2: Monk put me down from a lak monk. 1278 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,160 Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, names uh we do you go? 1279 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,640 Speaker 1: We go? NBA dot Com get out of your basketball 1280 01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:27,760 Speaker 1: reference for the benchers. 1281 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,040 Speaker 2: Step Mus will tell you are we looking. 1282 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:32,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do it later. 1283 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,040 Speaker 2: Tomorrow or maybe whatever. We see you to find out 1284 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,040 Speaker 2: the answer to that incredible question. Brace the eight people,