WEBVTT - Richard Karn Meets World 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:26.720 Have either of you started reading my book? Okay, I 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.440 also have not started reading my book club selection. I 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.800 have Cities Crazy it is on. Well here you want 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:34.640 to know the truth? Can I be honest with you guys? 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:35.599 Yeah? Okay. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:38.879 So the day that I had to pick it, the 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.920 day that we did our interview with the wonderful office ladies, 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:46.519 I completely forgot that I was going to need to 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:49.040 pick the book. And so right before we did the 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.920 interview and I needed to say it, I like googled 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:57.680 best books of twenty twenty five or something, and I 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.960 read a list of books, saw the name of it, 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.600 read the description of it, and was like, this sounds 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.880 like something I would really like. I'm gonna pick it. 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:09.920 And then we announced it and so many people were like, 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.080 this book sucks. Couldn't get through it. A bunch of 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.160 comments saying this book was not It's not what you 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.040 think it's gonna be. It's not good, and it really 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.560 scared me. Now I'm like I every time I think 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.920 of picking it up, I'm like, oh no, once I start, 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.360 I have to commit to the whole thing. So now 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.200 I've just been afraid to start it. And then there 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.000 was a puss I was like, do I do I 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.360 just listen to those people and pick a new body. 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:37.280 I guess if we. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:38.840 Don't like it, then we get to have a conversation 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:39.360 about it. 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:40.960 Detective story. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.039 I thought it was going to be a murder like 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.320 a like a murder like a thriller, like a murder 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.160 mystery thriller. And I think that's still what it is. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.800 But I I don't know why. Some people just said 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:52.760 it seemed it was very what's the word they used 0:01:52.760 --> 0:02:00.840 to describe it, Yes, something like that. Anyway, I'm a 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.800 little nervous. And then anyway, so we could love it. 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.280 You never know, you never know sometime to do, but 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:08.680 you never know, never know. 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.200 All right, well, anyway, we have a. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.280 Good six months before we do that episode. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:14.160 Let's just get a. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.079 Date and then we'll all do it because it will 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:16.720 be our homework. 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.280 Okay, I'm not going to be on an airplane where 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.600 I don't like to fly reading something called death takes me. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:24.320 I'm not going to do that. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:25.440 I'll read it next to you. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:27.959 Oh, just does it make it better? Let's you know, 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:29.799 you know, our next book, we're gonna read it. We're 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.160 gonna read a live the next time for when we 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:33.680 start flying everywhere. 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.119 I think it's a great idea. Who would you eat 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:36.840 on this plane? 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.760 And if so, that's a positive upplication to. 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:46.760 Most of them didn't survive accomplishment. No, godikes, it's called alive. 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:47.600 They stayed alive. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:52.079 I remember, I remember, I remember when writer we were 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.720 shooting our video for At the End of the Boy 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.760 and we were interviewing everybody, and one of the questions 0:02:57.840 --> 0:02:59.760 they asked was we asked them is if a plane 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.080 went down, who would you eat first? 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:02.480 And why? 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:04.720 On this On the Matt. 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.200 Lawrence said, I'll never forget Lawrence's answer. 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.160 He said, I thought the whole point was you you 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.000 were supposed to flip them over, so you didn't know 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:12.520 who they were. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:13.520 You just grab a piece. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:16.919 I remember that. 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:18.120 Did we put that in the video? 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:18.680 We did? 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.440 Why that sticks out because you're not you turn them over, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.080 so you know, you're not supposed to know who you're eating. 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:24.120 We have some great answers. 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.720 People were hysterical, Oh god, it's so funny. 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.960 Yeah, well we need to we need to find some 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.359 snippets from that play them for people. 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:34.079 I got them, I got them all. 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:35.920 I'm high as a kite right now. 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:37.960 Sorry, high as a kite right now? 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:39.080 What is going on? 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.800 I'm having the house painted and there. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.160 I don't know what they're doing, but it's all filtering 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.320 into my little room and it's like I'm in the 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:47.760 huffing bag itself. 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:54.320 My fingers are tingling like Mike. It's the best meet world. 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.680 I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm right strong, and I'm will for Dill. 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:14.120 When people are deciding who the face of nineties television 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.479 was in activity, I'm sure many of our listeners find 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:21.880 themselves engaged in at house parties, local concerts, and HA meetings. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.880 I'm sure the expected and most obvious names are thrown around. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:30.400 Jerry Seinfeld, George Clooney, Jennifer Aniston, the cat from Sabrina. 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.719 But I would like to throw another name into the mix, 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.280 and it's none other than our guest this week, best 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.480 known as the beloved sidekick, Al Borland from The Jugger, 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.560 not known as Home Improvement, one of the most recognizable 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.240 faces of the decade. The co host of tool Time 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:51.080 was the safety conscious straight man to the grunting machismo 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.400 of Tim Taylor, and his contributions to the show made 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.440 you feel as warm as the flannels he wore. On 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:01.520 every episode, and he also appeared on an episode of 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.800 Boy Meets World No Doubt, an unavoidable ask by the 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.479 network to spike our ratings during sweeps, playing an animal 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:12.520 control officer ready to contain Little Corey, a pig at 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.720 the center of the season three episode This Little Piggy. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.880 Will he remember being in the episode or will he 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.640 bleeth it? Your guess is as good as ours. He 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.040 go on to host Family Feud, a gig at least 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.480 two of us on this Zoom would commit a felony 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.560 to Land and has popped up on everything from That 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:34.359 seventy Show and Last Man Standing to Detroiter's and the 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:39.080 truly Genius Penn fifteen. But yes, he hammered his way 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.360 into America's heart on Home Improvement, a show that once 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:46.200 found itself atop the Nielsen ratings, clocking in over thirty 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:51.160 million viewers per episode, a feat now impossible unless you're 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.000 part of a football team attempting to win an important trophy. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.880 He was an integral part of one of the biggest 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.760 sitcoms of the decade, and now he's an integral part 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:05.320 of a popular niche rewatch podcast of this decade. Welcome to 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:11.920 Pod Meets World Richard carn Yes, yes, Oh my gosh, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:16.599 good Richard, thank you so much for being here, just 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:20.120 like in nineteen ninety five, you are bringing some much 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.080 needed star power to our show. So thank you. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.880 Nineteen ninety five. I can't I can't even imagine, you know. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.680 And it's so funny because in ninety five, I don't 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:35.640 think I had done very many other TV shows. 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:37.279 Just Home Improvement. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:41.360 Well, I've done Home Improvement, the just the one show 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.640 that everybody was watching, the biggest show on television, just 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.680 that one. And I knew that, I knew how our 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.400 set works, but I wasn't sure how another set would 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.640 work when I go over there. But you guys were 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.320 so welcoming, so wonderful, and you know you were very young. 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.440 Yeah, yeah, we were. We were all very young. I 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:04.680 in ninety I was fourteen, no way, yeah right then. 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:05.680 And I would have been fourteen. 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:06.480 He would have been fourteen. 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:07.400 I would have been fifteen. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.880 That makes me about eighteen then. Yeah, yeah, I. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.800 Think Will was also about eighteen. I was eighteen or nineteen. 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:16.720 I was the old guy at the time. 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.240 Wow, that makes us feel good. 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.240 It was a big year. There was a lot going on. 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.520 I went back to my calendar, my old school calendar 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.360 where I wrote everything down on a. 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:29.280 You still have it. 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.600 I found it. I had to go looking for it, 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:34.920 and I found I had, like I don't know, eight 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.240 nine years of those different books for each year, and 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.080 I'm amazed at the stuff I was doing. You know 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.040 this week, this this week that there were there were 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:45.960 a lot of things. 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:50.040 Well, knowing then how busy you were. Do you remember 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:51.640 your week on Boy Meets World. 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.360 I remember meeting you, guys, I vaguely remember the show, 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.200 And to be honest with you, I haven't seen the 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:00.120 show since. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.960 Okay, and I wasn't going. 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.120 To watch it before this podcast because I want to 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:05.200 be surprised. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.200 Too, you want to Okay, well, we're not going to 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:11.160 watch it today, so let me refresh your memory and 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.880 all of our memories. As a reminder, it is season 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:17.800 three called the season three episode called This Little Piggy, 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:22.640 where you play Victor, the animal control officer concerned with 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:28.120 the presence of a pig in the Matthews home. No, 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:28.640 it's in. 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:34.640 It's apartment, but the scene it takes place in the 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.800 Matthews I don't know why. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.560 Who ratted you out? Who told who? Totally. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:46.199 Penga did me. I know I she was first of 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.520 all to Panga was the biggest animal lover. She's a vegetarian, 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.679 so I know she was doing it because she thought 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:57.560 the pig was somehow a danger. Yes, because pigs don't 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:02.800 belong in apartments or homes. But still, Sean loved, loved 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:04.839 this pig. I would never have let anything happen to 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.600 the pig. I really, I really disagreed with Topanga that week. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:09.040 Yeah I did too. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.720 We definitely. One thing we all remember about the week 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:17.120 is that working with pigs is the worst. 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.600 Animals I do. And I have since worked with another pig. 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.560 Were these the little squeaky ones or are they big. 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.760 With animals with with a little pop belly? You know, 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:26.480 that was all over the place, and he was supposed 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.040 to be all over the place, So that was fun. 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.240 And I've worked with a monkey, I've worked with dogs, 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:33.640 I've worked with Tim Allen is like. 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:39.760 You actually you're on your show. 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.960 You would do lots of set pieces. 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.320 Right like there would always be some big physical stunt 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:49.080 or like a machinery going crazy. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.199 I mean, you guys were doing we went set. When 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.320 we would go to a what would be considered a 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.480 working job site or something like that. It was actually 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:04.960 the ABC buildings being built on the Disney lot. Okay, 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.160 so you like the animation building, like the other buildings, 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.480 these were you know before when we dropped the beam 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.720 on the Nomad, you know, that was the foundation of 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:14.640 all those buildings. 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.040 Wow, geez, you know what I remember. 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.280 One of the things I remember most is I used 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.520 to get my parking space, which I thought was the 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.600 coolest thing in the world. Was near Tim Allen's and 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.679 he is two or three, and every single day there 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.240 was like three different cars, a different car and always 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.839 the coolest thing in the world, and different every single time. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.640 And I would just be like, what that that's that's 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.840 what I want. I want that thing right there. 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.960 Well, you know, every every car on tool Time or 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.400 on Home Improvement was one of Tim's cars. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.880 Yeah, and it's very similarly now on Shifting Gears. I 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.520 don't know if you've watched Shifting Gears, but every single 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.600 every single car is one of his cars. 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.520 Is well, he needs another revenue stream, I know. 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.079 Because he charges it to the production. 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:05.440 Yeah, of course he does. That's brilliant. 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.280 I directed an episode of Shifting Gears and. 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:12.520 I thought that was fun. I bet that was a 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:13.120 lot of fun. 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.080 It was so much fun. But one of our guest 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.240 star actors, everyone's told like, these are real cars. There's 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.120 like a big meeting before the day starts. These are 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.319 real cars. They are actually from the year. They are 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:32.520 Tim Allen's property. Please do not lean, do not scratch, 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.080 do not walk too close to now you know you're 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.520 you're Some of the scenes are in a shop and 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.679 one of one of our actors leaned all of his 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.040 body weight while he was doing stuff in the engine 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:49.800 and it dented the car. And yeah, there was there 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.439 was a dent. And everyone's like, okay, we have done 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:51.800 at a meeting. 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:52.959 What are we going to do? There's a dent. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.200 There's a dent in the car. And one of the 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.200 guys who works for Tim, who deals with the cars, 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:58.559 came over and looked at it and he was like, oh, 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.439 this is absolutely nothing. We'll be able to this out. 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.480 It's going to be about seventy five dollars to fix. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.160 And I was like, oh over it. That came over, 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.760 Yes it was. He was seventy five years old and 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:10.600 fully jacked. 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:14.480 Oh, fully jacked. I know. He's like an incredible shape. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:15.200 So is Tim. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.280 Though Tim is like, I don't know, it was it's 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.240 it was incredible. I was like, wow, yeah, he's in 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:22.000 such good shape. 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:24.559 Well we have to be because we're. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.520 Older, I know, don't. We don't have the option anymore. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.439 I'm no longer fourteen. I don't know if you know this, 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.439 but I'm also very old. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.200 In You're in my heart. You're still fortunate. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.440 Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:37.680 Uh. 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.280 We've talked a lot about the Disney lot and our 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.000 little section of the stages, because we in ninety two 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.960 ninety or ninety three ninety four were on the stage 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.400 right next to you. We were on Stage two on 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.400 the Disney lot, right next to Home Improvement, and we 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.000 had a little area outside that I'm wondering if you 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.400 also remember. We call it the cage, but it's we 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.560 used to do our pe our recreation activity outside with 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:05.360 all the kids. 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.960 Well yeah, you, I mean we we had stuff for 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.360 our kids. But you know, I was an adult, so 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:12.760 I didn't really go over there and check out. 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.000 You didn't play football with us. But do you remember 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.000 do you remember seeing us running around in the cage 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.199 or me coming by to visit your set to hang 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:20.920 out with Jonathan. 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:28.280 Absolutely, absolutely, I do. Yes, that was very cool. I'll 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.600 tell you what there was. There was one year where 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:34.360 I was walking around the Disney lot. I stumbled upon 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:38.360 this this stage and I walk in and the stage 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:42.680 has been dug out like three levels down. 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:43.600 Wow. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.920 And there was this huge like moon service with stillag 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.840 tites and stuff. It was the most amazing set. And 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.240 I go in there and and I go what is this? 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:59.360 It was the set for Armageddon, you know when they 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.520 go along with the meteor. Yes, I and I go 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.240 back and I go, Tim, we got to use this set. 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.400 He goes, what are you talking about? Come on, come 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.200 with me. We gotta go use this to and he 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.760 goes over there and we walk in and he goes, yes, absolutely, 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.360 And so he goes to Bob Igert or Bob Eisner, you. 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.920 Know he's a Michael Eisner at the time, probably. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:20.960 It was Michael Eisner at the time. He goes, can 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.760 we use this? And Michael Eisner was like, oh, Michael 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.880 Nann's the director. I don't know. And so we had 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.320 to go to the director and the director Hamden had 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.600 and he wasn't like happy about this, but he goes, Okay, 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.160 you can use it, but you have to bank it 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.680 for three months, and after the movie has aired, after 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.080 the movie has come out, you can't show anything before that, right, 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.800 So they bank. We banked a scene where Tim goes 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.280 next door to Wilson's house and he goes, you know, 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.520 well where he goes. I'm down here, Tim, He's in 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.040 his basement and you open the door to the basement 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:53.720 and here's this giant set. 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.160 That's awesome. I love it. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.480 And the irony, or the sad news, is that I 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:02.760 didn't get to be in that scene. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.120 Oh you know, it was your idea. It was your idea. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:11.320 Yeah, yeah, that was that was grossly you know, that 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:15.120 was mean. Yeah, we did get to use that said, 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:16.880 and so I was glad that we did that. 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:17.640 That's so cool. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.520 One of the ways we like to start some of 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:22.720 our getting to know some of our guests is by 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:27.680 asking about their origin story. I read in preparation for 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:32.000 this meeting. I read on your Wikipedia page one of 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.280 the most incredible stories about how you ended up becoming 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:37.840 an actor. And I don't know if it's true, because 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.040 my Wikipedia page used to say I was a chef, 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.080 and I've never I can't. I could barely make chicken nuggets, 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.680 so I know that they're not It's not always correct, 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:49.720 But is it true that you got a citation and 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.120 that's what ended up leading to you becoming an actor? 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.680 And if some will you tell us the story, I'll. 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.360 Tell you what there are. And you must know this. 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.840 There are certain things in your life where when you 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:04.920 get them, you can walk it back and you can go. 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.240 You know. This led to this, which led to this, 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.480 which led to that. And so when I started thinking 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:15.200 about how how home improvement came about, everything was linked 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.720 primarily back to doing summerstock in Holland, Michigan, in like 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.200 nineteen eighty three. 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.880 Okay, so how old were you in eighty three? 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.200 Well, I had moved to New York in nineteen seventy nine, okay, 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:36.520 and I was twenty three. Okay, So I was twenty 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.160 five or six something like that, and I was doing 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.760 summerstock because that's what you do. You know. I did 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.920 a lot of theater before doing TV, in film or 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.640 film or whatever like that. And that's where that's why 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.080 I went to New York instead of California. I'm from Seattle, 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.360 grew up in Seattle, and I went through the training program, 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.760 a professional actor training program at the University of Washington, Okay. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.600 And at the time, the University of Washington had was 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:03.680 part of the League of Schools, and they had auditions 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:05.359 for us in New York and that's why I ended 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.280 up up in New York, Okay. 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.880 So you were doing theater and that's where that's why 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.119 you were. You were always an actor from from the 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:13.040 time of starting theater. 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.960 Yeah, yeah. And I went off to Holland, Michigan to 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:21.679 do this five shows, five plays for the season in 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.439 rotating rep and one of them was a was a 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:30.320 play called Oh Gosh, Strider. It was a play with 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.800 music and people played animals and hit there you go 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:39.159 animals again. And I worked with this director who happened 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:46.520 to be the director of theater at Evansville College in Indiana, 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.560 and he had done this play earlier in the year 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.000 and he was trying to direct this play kind of 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.199 like he had already done. And all of a sudden, 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.280 I'm caught between I don't know what he why would 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.960 you want me to do that? It had nothing to 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.480 do with my you know what I was thinking, And 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.520 he's going, well, you know, we did this and wait, 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.720 you did this already. I go, yeah, we've we Well, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.920 I'm not going to do what some other guy did. 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.280 I mean, I feel like this is this is where 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.800 my trajectory's going. And you know, blah blah blah blah 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.639 blah blah. And we kind of, you know, we really 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.320 butted heads a lot during rehearsal until opening night. And 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:25.439 then opening night everything worked. You know, my stuff worked, 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:29.280 his stuff worked, everything worked, and he was like really 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.199 happy and we became friends after that. And then a 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.159 few years later he calls for me and goes, you know, 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:40.000 there's a playwrights conference in New Harmony, Indiana, and we 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.600 need actors to read the scripts while the while the 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.600 playwrights rewrite them and dramatics help them rewrite them, kind 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.919 of like you know, after your Monday table read, you go. 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.000 You writers go back and they rewrite and puff up 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.320 jokes or restructure the you know, the A story, the 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:01.159 B story, whatever. And he said, we can pay you 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.320 one hundred dollars a week, but we'll put you up. 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.159 We'll you know, we'll feed you, we'll put you up. 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:07.920 And I'm living in New York at the time, and 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:11.560 I go, one hundred dollars a week. Huh okay, h yes, 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.439 you know that was that was my response at that 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:16.520 point in my life was yes to everything, because you 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.240 don't know what. Yeah, you don't know what. So I 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.359 go down there and I meet these guys, Matt Williams, 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.640 David mcfadzyan, and Carmen Finestra, and they had just come 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:29.000 off the first season of Roseanne, okay, and they were 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.560 they were fired. They were fired by Roseanne for telling 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.640 her not to be mean to John Goodman. And she's going, well, 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.280 this is my this is what I do, this is 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.760 my gig. I go, well, America loves John Goodman. They're 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.440 not going to like you. She fired them, and then 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:49.920 she she took her advice. But so I'm meeting these 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:51.680 guys and I, you know, I don't know how TV 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.920 works or whatever, and I, you know, I cohersed them 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.720 into writing a skit for the end of the two 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:02.159 weeks of all these funny rectors, writers, actors, and we 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.440 do this amazing skit and we're up till like two 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:07.280 three o'clock in the morning writing the stuff. And if 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.480 I had any idea of what these guys had gone 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.480 through and what they go through, you know, doing a 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.399 half hour TV sitcom every week where they you know, 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:17.760 they're up to two and three o'clock in the morning. 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.639 This is their vacation. And I'm making that, you know 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:24.520 what I mean, like this is always And we did, 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:26.959 we had we had a great time. I stayed in 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.240 touch with them when I when I finally moved to 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.280 California a few years later, I called them up and 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.920 they were doing a show called Carolyn Company with Carol 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:38.480 Burnette and they said, well, you know, there's there might 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:40.359 be something and they and a few weeks later they 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.639 call me and go, well, there's this little role we have. 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:48.439 You know, Carolyn Company had a group of actors, you know, 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.040 an ensemble of actors. Richard Kind was one of them. 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.040 They had like five or six ensembles. But this was 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.320 like a smaller role that the ensemble didn't care about 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.440 or whatever. So I went and I did my few 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.760 lines with Carol Burnett and I'm going, wow, this is 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.200 this is the big time. This is pretty cool. And 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.320 you know, we did the curtain call at the end 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.920 of the show on Friday night and I'm holding Carol 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.399 Burnett's hand, I'm going, wow, thank you guys. Thank you. 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:19.919 And and then a year later, yes, I get a 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:21.360 traffic citation. 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:23.240 Driving around Los Angeles. 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:27.600 I am doing a production of and you know, I'm 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:29.080 not in a theater, but I still don't like to 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.560 say it. I'm doing the Scottish Play in Shakespeare's Scottish Play, 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:39.520 which has a lot of bad jujuka associated with it. 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.159 I mean, you can read books on people who have died, 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:46.840 who have gotten deathly sick, who have had accidents. There 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:49.520 are stuff going on in that play because there apparently 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:56.600 are real witch incantations associated with that play, The Three Witches. 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:57.399 Cool. 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:01.480 So I've finished rehearsal, I'm driving home and I'm like, 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.600 you know, I'm on side streets and I you know, 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:06.399 I know there's a stop sign, but then you know, 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.000 my peripheral I see there's nothing going on. It's a 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.119 side street, and I kind of roll through it. And 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:14.439 the next thing I know, there's a cop behind me, Like, oh, 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.880 oh god, I'm doing this play. This is my bad luck. 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:19.040 Yeah, here it is it. 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:24.640 I've you know, and I get a traffic ticket. And 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:26.679 back then you couldn't do it online. There was no 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:30.760 online to go to traffic school, which is an eight hour. 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:33.680 School, yep, all day, and I sat next. 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:35.240 To this woman who turned out to be an agent 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.800 at the Girsch Agency, and we're talking, you know, we're 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:40.639 talking about, oh who we know? You know, well, I 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.680 did this thing with these guys. You know Matt Williams. Go, oh, yeah, 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:47.000 we know Matt Williams. He's in fact, he's he's doing 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:49.080 a new show right now. They're casting a new show 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:52.560 called Home Improvement with this comic named Tim Melan. I go, well, 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:57.879 I don't think so. I think they would have called me. Yeah, 0:22:57.960 --> 0:22:59.760 I'm talking to her. I'm not trying to get an 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:04.560 age without trying to get an agent. But any I 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:07.159 don't have an agent at this point. I'm doing a play. 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:12.240 I'm just you know, in LA And I call up David. 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.160 I go, David, I hear you guys are are auditioning 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:18.879 for this new show. He goes, Rick, were there's nothing 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.160 for you in this show. We know you. You're too much 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.159 like Tim Allen. You're too much lik him. You're the 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.959 same size, you're roughly the same age. You're just we 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:30.040 needed somebody, you know, a little different, and we've already 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:38.040 cast Stephen Tobolowski. You know, a life insurance salesman. And 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:41.320 so he goes, but anyway, you know, you don't know 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:45.760 our casting director, you know, So come in and meet 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:49.720 Deborah Brolski and I go, great, I thank you. I 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:53.080 would love that. And so they send me the scene, 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:57.960 which is, you know the character of Glenn, Tim's assistant, 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:02.920 Glenn doing this thing with a lathe. And I ask 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:05.199 a friend, you know, can you kind of help me 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.760 work on this. I never really had done that before, 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:12.399 worked on an audition scene that intensely. And we worked 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:13.760 it out and I go, oh, you know what, I'm 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:15.879 working with the lathe. I think I'll make noises, you know, 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:19.399 I'll go you know, you know when you're work with, 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:21.879 when you work with Yah, you know, I did all 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.359 this kind of stuff. And I go in and there's 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:27.119 Matt David Carmen. I know those guys. John passed when 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:30.800 the director I'd been a reader for him for the 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:34.520 Arena stage ten years earlier in New York. The only 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:37.000 person in the room I didn't know was Deborah Brosky 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:39.680 and I, you know, this is a scene they've seen 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:41.879 a million times, it's already cast. They don't care, but 0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:45.520 they laugh. They you know, I'm doing this scene, they're laughing. 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:48.480 I'm going I'm doing my job. And then John goes, 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:52.240 can you make the lathes sound like a question? And 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:55.800 I go, yes, I can because I have, you know, 0:24:55.880 --> 0:25:01.159 professional actor training, and so in my head I'm going, Okay, 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:04.480 the lady's got a question. So I goes, you know 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:11.040 when you work, when you're like that, and they were 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.920 like falling on the ground. I have no idea. It 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:17.720 wasn't that funny, but it was funny. But until later, 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.080 when you know, I hear Tim and his grunts and 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:24.439 his and then he has the yeah, good question. They 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:26.879 were just you know, playing with me. They were screwing around. 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:31.400 But I did it and they call me like three 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:36.280 weeks later, and Carmen actually calls me. And I don't 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:42.400 know if you know Carmen Finestra. He's about five one, 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:47.399 five to two, he's he's he's and funniest guy. I mean, 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:49.320 he worked on the Cosby Show, he worked on with 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.159 Steve Marty's worked all these shows. And he calls me. 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:56.159 He goes, so, Rick, do you still have that beard? 0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:58.920 And I had grown a beard for the Scottish play 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:02.679 and I go yeah. I go, well, it seems that 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:04.840 Steven is doing a play in New York and he 0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:09.880 can't do the pilot, and we were wondering if you could, yes, man, 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:11.800 let him get it out. I go, yes, I can 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:15.280 do that. He goes, well, now if the show gets 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:18.240 picked up, we would still bring Steven in. And I go, 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.159 I don't care. I don't have a I don't have 0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:23.960 a pilot on my resume. I you know, I've never 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:25.959 done anything like that. I would love to do that, 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:32.720 thank you. And the corner where I got that traffic 0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:38.000 ticket is where that agent lived. And the woman who 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:43.800 played Lady M her husband was was comedy liaison at ABC. 0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:49.639 My god, there were always little, these little satellites around 0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:52.560 this job that. And I'm doing the job and we 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:56.720 have ten days rehearsal, and the whole time, I'm going, God, 0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:59.280 this is so, this is this is gonna be a 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:01.639 great show. It hasn't aired. You know, the audience is 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:04.320 laving that hasn't aired, but I'm going, oh God, I 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.720 wish I could be part of the Okay, but anyway, 0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:08.399 I get to do this and this is very cool. 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:11.160 And I don't know if you knew this, but they 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:13.600 changed the lead actress three days into rehearsals. 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:16.840 No, I did not know that. So it wasn't Patricia's. 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:22.719 It was and Im. And I'm blanking on her name 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:24.080 right now. She was the mother in. 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:25.680 Titanic, Francis Fisher. 0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.320 Francis Fisher, and that's why the boys are blonde, because 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:30.920 Francis was a strawberry blonde. 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:35.040 Oh my gosh. And so three days into rehearsal, or 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:37.920 three days before shooting. So a week into rehearsal. 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.120 Three days into rehearsal, we still had seven more days. Oh, 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:43.520 and we have this little audience. They bring in an 0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:46.200 audience of, like, I don't know, fifteen people to watch 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:49.880 a run through. And the next day Francis is gone. 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:53.080 And this freaks me out as an actor. I'm going, 0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:57.240 are we that disposables? And I go to Karmen and go, Karmen, 0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:00.439 what just happened? What just happened? And I felt like 0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:02.720 I could do that because I'm going to be gone 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:06.120 in a week. Doesn't I go, Carmen, you just fired. 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:08.960 She's really good? He goes. I know she's good, but 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:11.760 she wasn't getting the right laugh. I go, but she's 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.159 an actress, she can get that laugh. All you just 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:18.080 have to tell her, but no, no, it's something deeper 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.679 than that. There's there's a scene. There's this scene where 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:24.879 Tim is, uh, you know, the dishwasher that was the pilot. 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:29.000 The dishwasher isn't cleaning well enough, and so he soups 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.399 up the dishwasher. And so when Francis goes, you know, 0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:38.760 I'm going out to the store, don't touch the dishwasher. 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.760 And there was a laugh, but it was like it 0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:44.920 was it was a laugh like, oh, yeah, you better 0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.480 not touch the dishwall, right, and and Carmen goes, it 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:51.479 wasn't the right kind of laugh, and I go, really 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:54.040 you know this? I go and he goes, yes, I 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:57.960 know this, And they bring Pat in and when she 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.520 does that line with the next audience we have don't 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.880 touch the dishwasher, they yeah. 0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:06.120 You're going to do that. 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:08.760 This is going to be so great. It was it 0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:13.000 was like she was his equal. It wasn't a victim 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:20.320 to Tim. She was his equal. And that's why it worked. Wow. Yeah, 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:22.680 But you know, as a young actor, I couldn't have 0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:25.360 seen that. I didn't know what that meant, you know, 0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:28.520 but they they had, you know, they had time in 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:30.360 this business to realize those kind of things. 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.600 But those are the moments that I think of when 0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:37.400 I think of the biggest acting lessons of my career 0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:42.440 have all been watching someone else go through something like 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:46.400 a director working with another actor and being like, oh, 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:50.840 look the way they're doing that, and that they're giving 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:52.920 that note, then watching the tweaks they make, and then 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:53.680 you're able to. 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:55.160 Like giving them a line reading. 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:55.680 Yes. 0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:57.560 Yeah, it's a delicate balance. 0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.320 It's a very delicate balance. Yeah it is. 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:01.400 So wait then how long? 0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:02.640 So you finished the pilot? 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:04.880 Yeah, you know it's going to be amazing. 0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:07.720 Oh, it's amazing, it's hysterically amazing. 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:09.960 But you also are told you're not going to be 0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:11.520 part of the show moving forward. 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:13.200 Get it? Yeah, when do you find out? 0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.160 I go back. You know, I'm I'm the apartment manager 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:20.040 at my building, oddly enough because I get free rent. 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:25.440 Right, great, But you know, I don't think about this. 0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.200 Twenty years down the line, all of a sudden, I 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:31.480 think I find of, go, huh, I'm getting paid nine 0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:38.440 hundred dollars a month to be the apartment manager. Well 0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:39.920 that was a pretty good deal for them. 0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:42.440 Yeah, you're retroactively pissed. 0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.280 Yeah, you know, I go back to my job and 0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:47.400 my auditions and this and that, and I go, god, 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:50.360 you know, and now it's on my resume. I actually 0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:52.520 I call up the agent. I go, hey, I did 0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.880 the pilot for Home Improvement, thank you very much for 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:59.400 telling me about that, and do you think you'd like 0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:01.040 to work with me? And go, well, you know, we 0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:02.880 have a lot of people like you. We have a 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:05.080 lot of your type. And I don't think it's you know, 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.640 it's it's not it's not you. It's us. 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:09.120 Right, it's not you. 0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:12.120 It's not you, it's us. We have a lot like you. 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:16.760 And I go okay, right, But like a month later 0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.160 or so, this, you know, we did. We rehearsed this 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:22.400 in April, and I think they started up the show 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:27.080 sometime in July, late July, late mid July. And I 0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:31.480 get another call and they go, Rick, apparently Stephen took 0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:33.840 another job and he can't do maybe the first two 0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:38.160 or three episodes. And I go, great, I'm there, no problem. 0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:42.280 I am so there. And I show up and I'm 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:44.200 a guest star. I'm not you know, I'm just a 0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:47.560 guest star. And they everything is kind of like written down. 0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:52.240 There's no you know, there's no exploratory part of who this, 0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:54.760 who this guy is, who this is? Because I'm not 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:58.320 going to be there for very long. So all of 0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.880 my early first few episodes was really just kind of 0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:07.800 you know, listening body language, reacting to Tim not doing 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:10.479 a lot. But the audience was getting it. The audience 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:15.560 was laughing at our kind of subliminal relationship going on there. 0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:21.080 And there came a point third episode maybe or something 0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:24.040 like that, where Tim had had this joke and I 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.280 think it was something like, hey, al yeah, you think 0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:31.120 they call it molding because it's been a the refrigerator 0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:34.840 too long, you know. And I'm just there to let 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:36.760 Tim have that laugh, you know, So I let the 0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:39.239 audience laugh. You know, I don't do anything. I just 0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:47.360 I just relaxed my face. I don't do anything. And 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:49.600 then I'm about to say my line, my retort line, 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.480 which was nothing really and before I say that, the 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.960 audience laughs again, and I go, oh, no, I wasn't 0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:59.280 milking that. I didn't mean to melk that. But that's 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:02.440 a nice laugh. That's a really that's a relationships laugh, 0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:05.480 you know. And then I went, I don't think so 0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:11.520 Tim and Mack got a big laugh, and all day long, 0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:14.360 the writers would walk by me and go, you did 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.400 yourself a favor there. So I had like three lines 0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:21.680 and I go, yeah, thank you, thank you. That felt good, 0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.400 you know. And the audience hasn't seen the show yet, 0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:28.000 it hasn't hired, so all of these things are happening 0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:32.760 because it's funny. And that's the audience knew who we 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:35.320 were before we knew who we were. And the writers 0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.800 were watching that, watching them watch us, and all of 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:40.480 a sudden it just clicked for them. They went, you 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.880 know what this is. This is working. Yeah, this is working. 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:46.880 We do you know, I'm sorry, Steven, but we we 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:51.400 found this and and you know, later on when I 0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:55.240 cognizantly the thing back on on. You know, the early 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:59.000 stuff was like I got to help create the character 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:02.280 without having to be placed into a character that was 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:02.960 already written. 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:04.520 Yeah. 0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:07.719 So they were watching the audience watch us, they were 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.440 watching me. I was doing stuff. I did what they 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.960 did they did, you know, they played off mine what 0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:16.560 I was doing, and you know, it was like it 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.279 was the best of all worlds. It's the best way 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:19.719 to do it. 0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:23.280 I mean that's yeah, workshopping basically, right, like workshopping account 0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:24.680 I was workshopped that's so. 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:28.759 Great, so fun, and all the pressure was off because 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:30.759 you didn't think you had the job. You thought, there's 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.879 no there's no chance this is mine. It's I didn't 0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:34.080 have to. 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:37.600 Go through the gauntlet of a network. I didn't have 0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:39.680 to go through the network auditions where they look at 0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:41.960 you and go, oh, he's not tall, I don't know 0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.600 his face doesn't work with the Canada well whatever it 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.399 is that you know, the network would say. I didn't 0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:48.759 have to do any of that. I was just I 0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.200 was already there. Wow. 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:53.960 Unbelievable. And of course Steven Tablowski has gone on to 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:56.480 also have an incredible career there working. 0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:59.640 I never ever I ran into a met arts DELI 0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:01.719 did you I did, And I went up to it 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.880 and I go excuse me, and I didn't know what 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:08.040 to say. Mister Dolblowska is. I just said excuse me 0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:11.200 and he looks up and he goes, oh my god, oh. 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:12.839 Job. 0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:16.759 Believe I didn't take that job, And I thank you 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:17.080 for that. 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:22.760 I so great. I worked with him on Lopez Versus Lopez. 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:24.680 I got to direct him on that show, and man, 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:28.640 is he ever just the nicest, funniest. 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:30.160 Yeah, he's really funny. He's really funny. 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:31.480 Well, he would have been funny. It would have been 0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:31.960 a very. 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.720 Different show, totally different, way different, the way different. 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:36.799 You know, everything worked out the way it was supposed to. 0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:39.839 Yes, yeah, So the. 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:43.840 Show remained in the Nielsen top ten for six straight years, 0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:46.359 and in its third season, it was the number one 0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:52.359 show in America, averaging thirty four point one million viewers. No, 0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.759 I mean a number that's truly laughable now, considering you're 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:57.720 lucky to get you know, three million. 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:01.720 You know, we were up against Seinfelder in the first season. Really, 0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:06.279 they moved Seinfeld. They moved them to Thursday night and 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:10.000 created musty Thursday Night TV. Yeah right, right. We stayed 0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.000 on Tuesdays or Wednesdays whenever we were. 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.879 Well, yeah, you owned that night. I mean that was 0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:16.400 Improvement at Night. Yeah, definitely. 0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:19.840 But later they put Fraser up against us. Oh okay, 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:22.000 you know why they would do that. I don't know. 0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:25.319 It's just they make they make when networks make weird 0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:28.879 decisions sometimes. Yeah. So, how does life change for you? 0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:29.160 Then? 0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:32.520 In that after that first season of Home Improvement, are 0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:37.480 you just recognized everywhere you go? How does life change? 0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:43.600 It's like a snowball. It just gets bigger and bigger. Well, 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:47.760 like I said, I was an apartment manager and into 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:50.920 into you know the show has aired, and I get 0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:53.200 a phone call one night and then you know, our 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:55.680 our kitchen sink is stopped up. Can you come take 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:57.360 a look at it? And I go down there and 0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.759 there's like fifteen people in their apartment and going you 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:03.480 see el Borland's our apartment manager. And I just looked 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:06.359 at it. I went, oh my god, I don't need 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.440 this job anymore. I can get another. 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:14.080 I can give up this nine hundred dollars a month. 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:17.560 Yes, yeah, I can pay for rent now. And my 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:20.600 son was born the first season. Cooper was born in 0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:22.200 March of our first season. 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:24.960 Oh and that was what year was the first season? 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.520 Was it ninety Well we did the pilot in ninety one, 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:30.760 but it was ninety one ninety two season. 0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:32.160 Okay, gotcha. 0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:33.680 And so March of ninety two, your son. 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:37.960 March of ninety two. Cooper marched fourth on March. 0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:54.279 So I have I have a quick story for you. 0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:57.120 It's I don't know if you're if you have any 0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:59.840 of these in your life, but there are moments in 0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:02.600 your life that stick with you because when you think 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:06.120 about them, you get embarrassed all over again. 0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:13.319 Yeah you go, oh my god, I hope no one's 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:13.920 looking at me. 0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:16.520 Yeah, so you you were one of mine. 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:22.000 You are so uh the first so as you remember ABC, 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.320 the coolest things is they would have the opening party 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.359 every year and they would like send us all there 0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:30.799 the party be some cool place. And the first year 0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:33.120 I think I went, it was at the Librea tar Pits, 0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:36.400 and it was like the coolest thing in the world. 0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:38.280 And I was new to Hollywood. 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:40.360 I just got in here. We just gotten boy Mes World. 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:41.920 It hadn't aired yet, its just shooting. 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:44.600 I was a huge home improvement fan and I at 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:46.600 one point I'm talking to somebody and I look over 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:50.239 and you're standing there, and so I'm seventeen, I think 0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:53.960 at the time, and I just stare at you in 0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:59.759 such a creepy way and for so long that eventually 0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:02.000 you look at me and walk over and extend your 0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.520 hand to introduce yourself, because I was just the creepy 0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:08.279 kid staring at you. And to this day, every time 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:11.920 I think about it, I still get retroactively embarrassed for 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.040 myself and how nice you were to walk over that 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:18.719 It was a good fifteen to me, just staring and 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:20.799 it was, hey, kids, stop staring to where you left 0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:24.400 your conversation to walk over to shake my hand in 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:27.120 such a nice way. But I know the subtext was 0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:29.719 if I don't do this, this creep is going to 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:30.479 follow me home. 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:35.040 Yes, so, oh my god, still embarrassed, but so thank 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:37.960 you for taking the time to at least come over 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.640 and shake a seventeen year old kid's hand who was 0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:43.719 wide eyed and just staring at you from across the room. 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:44.799 So I appreciate it. 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:53.400 And you guys know the process of accumulating celebritiness or recognizability. 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:57.719 And you know, I realized early on that you know, 0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:00.279 you either have to be okay with this or you're 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:01.439 gonna be upset all the time. 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:02.960 Yes, yes, you know. 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:04.520 And I'm I don't want to be upset all the 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:09.120 time totally. You know, I'm wanting other people, you know, uh, 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:12.160 have fights or or you know, punch out a camera 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:15.360 man or something that and like, wow, you know, just 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:16.640 just own up, just you. 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:19.680 Know, be nice, Go do something else. 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:21.520 If this, if you're gonna be if you're gonna be 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:23.879 mean to your own fans, go pick another job. 0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:24.839 Go do something else. 0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:26.640 Well, when I did theater, you know, and I'd go 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.200 off to Actors Theater Louisville or Players Theater and Columbus 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:31.239 where people would come up to me and they say, oh, 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:34.160 we saw the play last week. It was really fun, 0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:36.280 you know, and they'd be like maybe one two people. 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:40.399 And then it just started to accumulate more and more 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:42.400 and I and at first I was a little embarrassed 0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:44.200 about it by it. I'm you know, I'm not worthy. 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:46.760 I don't you know, I'm I'm in my little bubble, 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.400 my little you know. We're on the show, and we 0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:52.560 were rehearsed, and we're doing our job and and people 0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:55.320 are all of a sudden watching us with their families, 0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:59.719 and it's becoming more than just us. It's becoming it's 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:03.719 becomeing their you know, their childhood, their memory of a 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:07.960 simpler time where they sat with their grandparents or their 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:11.279 parents or brothers and sisters. And that's what it is now. 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:15.359 It's not it's not me, it's their memory of our show. 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.640 In the off season. Would you ever shave just to 0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:22.959 be able to not be as recognizable? 0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:27.680 I didn't know. And this is why it was, because 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:37.200 I was getting commercials and I was like, of the 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:46.520 mind Cooper's just born college, I'm going to do these commercials. 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:48.799 And I go and if I do these commercials, you know, 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:52.000 most major emotion pictures might be out of the I'm 0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:55.120 okay with that, you know. I make this decision like 0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:59.440 I'm okay without having to be Tom Cruise like I 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:05.040 would be Cruise. You know. I made this decision, and 0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:09.400 I had like major companies. You know. I represented a 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:16.240 garage door company. I represented Orchard Support that was big, yeah, 0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:20.200 and you know, and they needed me to look like 0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:24.279 me now on the business side of the of the thing. 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:28.440 Disney equated that with them giving me a raise, Like 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:30.359 we don't need to give you a raise because we're 0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:31.719 letting you do commercials. 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:35.000 Yo, that's so Disney. 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:41.560 Yeah, I know. I mean I eventually got a raise, 0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:44.960 and you know, I didn't get my likeness back in 0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:47.160 a plaid shirt till the final season. 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:51.800 They allowed you weren't allowed to wear a plaid shirt. 0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:56.880 Well, I had to get permission. Wow, Yeah, that's the. 0:42:57.160 --> 0:43:00.160 Oh my gosh, I still don't have my likeness. 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:04.120 So I uh, none of us do I know? 0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:05.960 Perfect that's what we get? 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:09.359 Are you guys? Worried about AI. Can they Can they 0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.600 just do that? Or do you have some some authority 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:13.040 over that? 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.000 No, you're probably right. I think I think my actual 0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:18.840 contact my contract, I did get that. I got a 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:21.560 I got my original contract, and it says that they 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:26.200 own my likeness in on any planet, in any universe. 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:26.520 Any university. 0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:32.239 Yeah literally beyond. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's good with 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:35.480 those tie it all together. 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:37.600 Well, you know, I wasn't a talk show I mean 0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:38.960 a game show host. 0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:42.239 So Will and I would commit a felony to have 0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:44.040 had your job that. 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:48.160 Oh man, two seconds, Danielle and I have to host 0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:49.160 some sort of a game show? 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.680 Yes, oh my gosh, what is that experience? 0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:55.719 Like? I you know, I kind of turned it down 0:43:55.800 --> 0:44:00.480 at first, why because it was so in that field. 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:04.600 It was like a game show. I'm an Antley Feud, 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.280 I know, I know. But this is the thing I had. 0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:13.480 I had done a pilot of to tell the Truth 0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:17.239 as one of the panelists, you know, with Paula Pattone 0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:20.880 and me and two other you know, I can't think 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.280 of their names, but and John O'Hurley was the host. 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:26.600 They were they were really bringing out to tell the truth. 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:29.279 And I did that, and the pilot got picked up. 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:30.600 The show got picked up, and they asked me if 0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:32.160 I'd like to continue with it, and I went, now, 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.080 I don't think I want to do a game show. 0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:35.560 And then a year later they called me and said, 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:40.160 would you like to host Family Feud? And I go wow, 0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:45.200 really gosh, And I'm like, I'm doing something for Orchard 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:48.440 Hardware up near San Francisco, somewhere yet up there, and 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:50.520 I'm in a bar and I turned to this person 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:52.279 next to me at the bar and I go, hey, 0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:54.319 how you doing. They go, oh my god, you're Richard Carr. 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:56.120 I go, yeah, what would you think if I did 0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:59.600 a game show? And they went, well, nah, you don't 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:02.759 want to do that, you know, just some random person, right. 0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:03.879 They go, yeah, you're right. 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:05.600 I think I don't want to do that. 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:07.560 You're right, you know. And I go back and I 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:10.279 say no, I don't like and then it's like they 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:13.279 all it's not like they ganged up on me, but 0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.799 they all went, well, you know, you've been doing family TV, 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:19.080 you did family movies. This is just another family venue 0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:21.560 you can do, which might be a lot of fun. 0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:28.680 And I'm and I'm thinking, uh, yeah, okay, all right, 0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:32.759 I'm in. I'm in. I'm good it. You know, I'll 0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:34.440 do it, and you know, if I decide to do it, 0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:35.040 I'm doing it. 0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:36.960 I'm I'm you're committing. 0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:42.000 I'm committing. And so in the other side of my brain, 0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:46.920 I'm thinking, okay, this is me. Uh, I gotta be funny. 0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:50.040 I got to come up with stuff, and they had writers, 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.560 they had a writer, you know, to come up with things. 0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:55.520 It doesn't work for that show because everything happens in 0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:58.959 the moment. Yeah, you can't. You know, you can't predecide 0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:01.680 what you know. You can write a joke about that question, 0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:04.520 but it might not have anything to do with their answer. 0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:08.600 Yeah, it's what's it called the crowd work. It's crowd 0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:10.840 work basically the people directly in front of you. 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:13.240 Yeah, exactly. So you know you just have to go, Okay, 0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:16.920 I can't. These jokes aren't working for me. I'm just 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:20.160 gonna you know, I'll try and be funny. If I'm not, 0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:23.239 we'll just play the game, you know. So, so it 0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:26.239 was like stand up with a safety net. If I 0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:29.399 couldn't think of something, we just played the game. Yeah, 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:32.959 but there was always something and it happened in real time, 0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:35.640 so I could never remember it because my mind is 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.640 working in real time, so I you know, I would 0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:40.319 clock that something was funny at the end of the show, 0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:42.680 go there was something funny. Can I don't remember what 0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:44.799 it was? And they go, oh, it was you know. 0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:49.239 So I never had a firm grasp on all the 0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:52.439 funny little things that happened until I made them go back. 0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:55.200 And you know, I said, you guys should do bloopers 0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:57.440 or something, you know, you know, and come up with 0:46:57.480 --> 0:46:58.200 the funny stuff. 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.040 So that's did you good to have any hand in 0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.880 the editing? Because sometimes I think about, like if you 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:07.360 were making like when you're it's like improv and stand 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:11.200 up comedy mixed with also hosting job and sometimes when 0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:13.480 you're just talking off the cuff like that, did you 0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:15.359 have any saying like you know what, I may have 0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:17.320 said that, oh, you didn't have any sation. 0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:21.239 But you know I had replaced Louis Anderson. Yeah, and 0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:24.960 Louie is a very very funny guy, but he's also 0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:28.319 a very large guy. He couldn't move. I mean, that's 0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:30.240 why he stayed at the podium so much. He couldn't 0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:34.160 get around, and all of his comedy took time, and 0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:37.120 so a lot of it got edited out. Yeah, you know, 0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:40.400 and I realized that, you know, we don't have a 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:45.040 lot of time. We have three minutes less than Network 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.880 because we were already syndicated, so we instead of twenty 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:52.600 two minutes, we had nineteen. So all of all of 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:57.640 what I was trying to do was speed up the 0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.719 game part or the stuff so that I would have 0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.200 time like it looked like I had time to be 0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:06.600 you know, conversationally and off the cup and this and that. 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.640 You know, I kind of worked on that in a 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:11.600 in a weird kind of a way, but I didn't 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:14.400 get to help edit or that was that was a 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:17.560 whole nother thing. And you know, bravo to you for 0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.839 you know, becoming a director, because that much authority was 0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.280 just too much to a weight on my on my mind. 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:28.399 That's why I never, you know, really truly did that. Well. 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:32.080 The good the good news is, at least in sitcom, 0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:36.600 although you are the leader on the set, ultimately it's 0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:40.040 not the director's medium. I'm I'm making the showrunners dreams 0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:42.279 come true, and I'm working with the actors to make 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:45.600 that happen. And so unlike on a movie set where 0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:49.160 it's just all in your hands and your vision. There's 0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:51.440 a there's a nice happy medium where I still have 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:54.800 to answer to somebody else on a on a sitcom set. 0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:56.200 Are you I noticed. 0:48:55.920 --> 0:49:00.359 That that John pass One was was a step of that. 0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:02.840 I mean he had he had a lot more pull 0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:06.000 and how things got got edited and stuff like that. 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:10.960 Pasquin is amazing. I was interviewed by him in order 0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:13.600 to get the job over at Shifting Gears. Uh, And 0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:16.800 he he came by and and would watch me work 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:19.200 and ask me questions about why I was doing things 0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:21.359 the way I was doing them, and he he gave 0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:25.600 me input. He made my episode better. Yeah, Pasquin is. 0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:29.160 That is so cool, phenomenal. I learned Jonathan is trying 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:29.799 to do that too. 0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.680 I know Jonathan came to set with me when I 0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:36.880 directed my episode of Shifting Gears and he's he absolutely 0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:39.040 would want me to tell you hello, I'm still very 0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:40.719 close to Jonathan. I don't know when the last time 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.080 was you saw or spoke to him, but we're still 0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:45.840 very good friends. Yeah. Yeah, you guys need to have 0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:47.680 a reunion. Do you have When was the last time 0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:48.719 you saw or spoke to Tim? 0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:51.440 Well, how don't you seen the internet. A CBS is 0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:52.960 offering us a billion dollars? 0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:56.759 What what? Oh, yeah, I've see this. 0:49:57.600 --> 0:50:02.000 Oh it's clickbait. It's it's totally clear. Ba nice. You know, 0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:04.000 it's like, really a billion dollars. 0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:07.880 We're not familiar with the clickbait articles. We don't know 0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:09.719 it too well. 0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:11.839 Go on, go on to Facebook or whatever and say 0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:15.480 CBS home Improvement one billion dollars and it'll come. 0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:16.120 It'll come out. 0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:16.520 Love it. 0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:18.919 Well. One other thing I wanted to talk to you about. 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:21.160 We had Debbie Dunning on the show recently, and I 0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:24.440 know you too are doing some conventions together and golf 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:28.120 tournaments together with new fans all around the world. Did 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:30.799 you ever think you would still be talking about home 0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:34.359 improvement thirty years later, the same way we are still 0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:36.799 talking about Boy Meets World thirty years later. 0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:40.640 I don't think I that did not compute. You know. 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:45.440 It was like, because we don't have that in our life. 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:47.800 We don't, you know now that we're now that I'm older, 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:49.880 I can look back and go, oh, yeah, okay, I 0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:51.439 can see how all that is. But you know, trying 0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:55.719 to project that for thirty years people, you know, we 0:50:55.719 --> 0:51:00.879 we I started out without social media without the Internet, 0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:05.359 and then it happened after Home Improvement, right, right, So 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:08.840 all of these actors from okay, we'll say two thousand 0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:11.560 and five on on all these new shows had the 0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:15.640 benefit of our experience because we'll throw it up there 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:17.440 online and go, you know, this is how I fell out. 0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:19.600 This is what happened, and they can learn from that. 0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:22.959 We had nothing to learn from except, you know, maybe 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:27.840 some articles in Pop teen magazine or whatever. But I 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:31.000 didn't read those, and so I didn't really have a 0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:33.319 you know, context for what this was going to be. 0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:35.920 Yeah, well, I can tell you in Team Beat, all 0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:39.320 they really talked about was our favorite pizza toppings. It wasn't. 0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:45.240 It wasn't some real you know, education journalism articles. 0:51:45.280 --> 0:51:47.800 So you know, did you read any of Jonathan's Because 0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:49.520 he was like a fifty year old man in a 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:52.319 twelve year old body. He might have thrown some of 0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:53.200 that stuff in there. 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:56.400 I know. Jonathan wanted us to get matching minivans as 0:51:56.440 --> 0:52:02.719 our first cars. Jonathan, No, I do not want a minivan. 0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:06.600 Let alone won that matches none of mine he got 0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:08.680 he got we did. I got a Forerunner and he 0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:10.960 got the Toyota Land cruiser, So we did get mad. 0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:13.720 They were they were like, you know, his and hers. 0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:17.120 Not not not bashing minivans by the way. 0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:20.759 You know, you know I where loves min He keeps 0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:22.400 telling me that he wants me to get a minivan. 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:24.880 Well, you know, Scooby Doo had the mystery machine he 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:26.480 did exactly. 0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:29.160 Richard, Where can people see you? 0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:29.399 Now? 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:31.040 What are you working on? What do people what do 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:32.840 you want people to know? Where can where can we 0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:35.480 send people who want to catch over you? 0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:42.240 Okay, I've become an influencer for Natty Light, doing stuff 0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:47.080 for do my own, which is yard maintenance. I'm doing 0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:49.960 the pocket hose. I'm doing a little movie in Michigan 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:53.040 in September where I play a sheriff that's kind of 0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:56.759 on the shady side. You know, I don't know. I 0:52:57.520 --> 0:52:59.720 just I show up and do stuff. 0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:01.880 But you know, what's a pocket hose? 0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:07.520 Pocket hocket hose, pucket hose? O, my god, what. 0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:10.560 Pock Totally different podcast? 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:16.400 Okay, it's a tiny prostitute you carry around? 0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:17.279 How do you not know. 0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:18.600 This in your pocket? 0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:21.920 When you guys are saying pocket hose, Like that's much 0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:24.400 more clear. What is a pocket? 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:27.480 It's a small hose that you get, a hose that 0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:29.520 expands when you put water through it. 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:32.600 Yes, it's tiny and so it can fit in your pocket. 0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:36.680 It's a pocket hose in their pocket. 0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:39.040 Well, now you're you know now because you've talked about 0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.200 it around your phone, it's gonna it's gonna pop up 0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:42.040 in all your Oh. 0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:45.600 Have tiny little prostitutes coming in your house. 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:50.319 Listen, I have to go. I have to go be 0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:52.920 an important actor right now. I gotta go. 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:58.120 So much for being here with us. It's always a 0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:00.000 joy to see you, so much fun to talk about. 0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.799 You have an incredible career, an incredible story. Thank you 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:03.600 for being with us. 0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:06.800 We'll call me back and we can finish the conversation 0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:08.359 at some other point. 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:10.560 I would love that. Thank you so much. 0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:13.480 Take care. Bye. 0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:18.960 You guys said pocket it's a pocket hose. You gotta know. 0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:26.440 A pocket You just saw these tiny little prostitutes anything. 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:27.440 He was saying after it. 0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:30.319 Like what I mean? 0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:32.200 It actually just sounds like the name for a great 0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:36.960 sex toy, right, like a pocket a pocket hoe. 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:41.880 Why would you need a hose in your pocket? 0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:45.040 No, it's just it it comes in a little like 0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:46.680 it the entire hose. 0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:49.360 Again, what is the what how does this benefit means 0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:51.840 a hose be normal sized because then it takes. 0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:53.480 Up a ton of space, whereas this one takes up 0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:55.719 this amount of space and you hit the water and 0:54:55.760 --> 0:54:58.359 then it inflates to like full size. And then when 0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:00.800 you put water in a regular size prostitute and it 0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:03.359 gets to be a big sized prostitute like that same 0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:05.440 thing exactly exactly. 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:08.560 Okay, Well, thank you all for joining us for this 0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:10.719 episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow 0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:13.120 us on Instagram pod Meets World Show. You can send 0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:16.320 us your emails Podmeets World Show at gmail dot com. 0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:18.120 And we've gotten merched. 0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:20.120 Well, it's got to be pocket hose, I mean not, 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:22.640 can it not be? 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