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Speaker 4: Date and then we'll all do it because it will

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'm not going to be on an airplane where

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Speaker 5: I don't like to fly reading something called death takes me.

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Speaker 3: Most of them didn't survive accomplishment. No, godikes, it's called alive.

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Speaker 6: I remember, I remember, I remember when writer we were

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Speaker 1: When people are deciding who the face of nineties television

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Speaker 1: Pod Meets World Richard carn Yes, yes, Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: good Richard, thank you so much for being here, just

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety five. I can't I can't even imagine, you know.

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Speaker 2: And it's so funny because in ninety five, I don't

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Speaker 2: Well, I've done Home Improvement, the just the one show

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Speaker 2: In You're in my heart. You're still fortunate.

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Speaker 2: And there was this huge like moon service with stillag

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Speaker 2: So they bank. We banked a scene where Tim goes

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Speaker 2: Tell you what there are. And you must know this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here it is it.

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Speaker 2: I've you know, and I get a traffic ticket. And

440
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 2: back then you couldn't do it online. There was no

441
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 2: online to go to traffic school, which is an eight hour.

442
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: School, yep, all day, and I sat next.

443
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 2: To this woman who turned out to be an agent

444
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 2: at the Girsch Agency, and we're talking, you know, we're

445
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 2: talking about, oh who we know? You know, well, I

446
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 2: did this thing with these guys. You know Matt Williams. Go, oh, yeah,

447
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: we know Matt Williams. He's in fact, he's he's doing

448
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: a new show right now. They're casting a new show

449
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: called Home Improvement with this comic named Tim Melan. I go, well,

450
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think they would have called me. Yeah,

451
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: I'm talking to her. I'm not trying to get an

452
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: age without trying to get an agent. But any I

453
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 2: don't have an agent at this point. I'm doing a play.

454
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, in LA And I call up David.

455
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 2: I go, David, I hear you guys are are auditioning

456
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 2: for this new show. He goes, Rick, were there's nothing

457
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 2: for you in this show. We know you. You're too much

458
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 2: like Tim Allen. You're too much lik him. You're the

459
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,959
Speaker 2: same size, you're roughly the same age. You're just we

460
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: needed somebody, you know, a little different, and we've already

461
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: cast Stephen Tobolowski. You know, a life insurance salesman. And

462
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: so he goes, but anyway, you know, you don't know

463
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: our casting director, you know, So come in and meet

464
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: Deborah Brolski and I go, great, I thank you. I

465
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: would love that. And so they send me the scene,

466
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: which is, you know the character of Glenn, Tim's assistant,

467
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: Glenn doing this thing with a lathe. And I ask

468
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 2: a friend, you know, can you kind of help me

469
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: work on this. I never really had done that before,

470
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: worked on an audition scene that intensely. And we worked

471
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: it out and I go, oh, you know what, I'm

472
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 2: working with the lathe. I think I'll make noises, you know,

473
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: I'll go you know, you know when you're work with,

474
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Speaker 2: when you work with Yah, you know, I did all

475
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. And I go in and there's

476
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Speaker 2: Matt David Carmen. I know those guys. John passed when

477
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: the director I'd been a reader for him for the

478
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: Arena stage ten years earlier in New York. The only

479
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: person in the room I didn't know was Deborah Brosky

480
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: and I, you know, this is a scene they've seen

481
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: a million times, it's already cast. They don't care, but

482
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: they laugh. They you know, I'm doing this scene, they're laughing.

483
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm going I'm doing my job. And then John goes,

484
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: can you make the lathes sound like a question? And

485
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: I go, yes, I can because I have, you know,

486
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: professional actor training, and so in my head I'm going, Okay,

487
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: the lady's got a question. So I goes, you know

488
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: when you work, when you're like that, and they were

489
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: like falling on the ground. I have no idea. It

490
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: wasn't that funny, but it was funny. But until later,

491
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: when you know, I hear Tim and his grunts and

492
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 2: his and then he has the yeah, good question. They

493
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 2: were just you know, playing with me. They were screwing around.

494
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 2: But I did it and they call me like three

495
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: weeks later, and Carmen actually calls me. And I don't

496
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 2: know if you know Carmen Finestra. He's about five one,

497
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: five to two, he's he's he's and funniest guy. I mean,

498
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: he worked on the Cosby Show, he worked on with

499
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 2: Steve Marty's worked all these shows. And he calls me.

500
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: He goes, so, Rick, do you still have that beard?

501
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 2: And I had grown a beard for the Scottish play

502
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 2: and I go yeah. I go, well, it seems that

503
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: Steven is doing a play in New York and he

504
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 2: can't do the pilot, and we were wondering if you could, yes, man,

505
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: let him get it out. I go, yes, I can

506
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: do that. He goes, well, now if the show gets

507
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: picked up, we would still bring Steven in. And I go,

508
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't have a I don't have

509
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: a pilot on my resume. I you know, I've never

510
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 2: done anything like that. I would love to do that,

511
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: thank you. And the corner where I got that traffic

512
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: ticket is where that agent lived. And the woman who

513
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: played Lady M her husband was was comedy liaison at ABC.

514
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: My god, there were always little, these little satellites around

515
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: this job that. And I'm doing the job and we

516
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: have ten days rehearsal, and the whole time, I'm going, God,

517
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: this is so, this is this is gonna be a

518
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: great show. It hasn't aired. You know, the audience is

519
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: laving that hasn't aired, but I'm going, oh God, I

520
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: wish I could be part of the Okay, but anyway,

521
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: I get to do this and this is very cool.

522
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you knew this, but they

523
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: changed the lead actress three days into rehearsals.

524
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: No, I did not know that. So it wasn't Patricia's.

525
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,719
Speaker 2: It was and Im. And I'm blanking on her name

526
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: right now. She was the mother in.

527
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: Titanic, Francis Fisher.

528
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: Francis Fisher, and that's why the boys are blonde, because

529
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: Francis was a strawberry blonde.

530
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And so three days into rehearsal, or

531
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: three days before shooting. So a week into rehearsal.

532
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: Three days into rehearsal, we still had seven more days. Oh,

533
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: and we have this little audience. They bring in an

534
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: audience of, like, I don't know, fifteen people to watch

535
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: a run through. And the next day Francis is gone.

536
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: And this freaks me out as an actor. I'm going,

537
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: are we that disposables? And I go to Karmen and go, Karmen,

538
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: what just happened? What just happened? And I felt like

539
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: I could do that because I'm going to be gone

540
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 2: in a week. Doesn't I go, Carmen, you just fired.

541
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: She's really good? He goes. I know she's good, but

542
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: she wasn't getting the right laugh. I go, but she's

543
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 2: an actress, she can get that laugh. All you just

544
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: have to tell her, but no, no, it's something deeper

545
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: than that. There's there's a scene. There's this scene where

546
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: Tim is, uh, you know, the dishwasher that was the pilot.

547
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: The dishwasher isn't cleaning well enough, and so he soups

548
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: up the dishwasher. And so when Francis goes, you know,

549
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: I'm going out to the store, don't touch the dishwasher.

550
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: And there was a laugh, but it was like it

551
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: was it was a laugh like, oh, yeah, you better

552
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: not touch the dishwall, right, and and Carmen goes, it

553
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 2: wasn't the right kind of laugh, and I go, really

554
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: you know this? I go and he goes, yes, I

555
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: know this, And they bring Pat in and when she

556
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: does that line with the next audience we have don't

557
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: touch the dishwasher, they yeah.

558
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 4: You're going to do that.

559
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: This is going to be so great. It was it

560
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: was like she was his equal. It wasn't a victim

561
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: to Tim. She was his equal. And that's why it worked. Wow. Yeah,

562
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: But you know, as a young actor, I couldn't have

563
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: seen that. I didn't know what that meant, you know,

564
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: but they they had, you know, they had time in

565
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: this business to realize those kind of things.

566
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: But those are the moments that I think of when

567
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: I think of the biggest acting lessons of my career

568
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: have all been watching someone else go through something like

569
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: a director working with another actor and being like, oh,

570
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: look the way they're doing that, and that they're giving

571
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: that note, then watching the tweaks they make, and then

572
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: you're able to.

573
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: Like giving them a line reading.

574
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 7: Yes.

575
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a delicate balance.

576
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: It's a very delicate balance. Yeah it is.

577
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: So wait then how long?

578
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: So you finished the pilot?

579
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's going to be amazing.

580
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: Oh, it's amazing, it's hysterically amazing.

581
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: But you also are told you're not going to be

582
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: part of the show moving forward.

583
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: Get it? Yeah, when do you find out?

584
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: I go back. You know, I'm I'm the apartment manager

585
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: at my building, oddly enough because I get free rent.

586
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: Right, great, But you know, I don't think about this.

587
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: Twenty years down the line, all of a sudden, I

588
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: think I find of, go, huh, I'm getting paid nine

589
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a month to be the apartment manager. Well

590
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: that was a pretty good deal for them.

591
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're retroactively pissed.

592
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I go back to my job and

593
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: my auditions and this and that, and I go, god,

594
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: you know, and now it's on my resume. I actually

595
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: I call up the agent. I go, hey, I did

596
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: the pilot for Home Improvement, thank you very much for

597
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: telling me about that, and do you think you'd like

598
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: to work with me? And go, well, you know, we

599
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: have a lot of people like you. We have a

600
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: lot of your type. And I don't think it's you know,

601
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: it's it's not it's not you. It's us.

602
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: Right, it's not you.

603
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: It's not you, it's us. We have a lot like you.

604
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: And I go okay, right, But like a month later

605
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: or so, this, you know, we did. We rehearsed this

606
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: in April, and I think they started up the show

607
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: sometime in July, late July, late mid July. And I

608
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: get another call and they go, Rick, apparently Stephen took

609
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: another job and he can't do maybe the first two

610
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: or three episodes. And I go, great, I'm there, no problem.

611
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: I am so there. And I show up and I'm

612
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: a guest star. I'm not you know, I'm just a

613
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: guest star. And they everything is kind of like written down.

614
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: There's no you know, there's no exploratory part of who this,

615
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: who this guy is, who this is? Because I'm not

616
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: going to be there for very long. So all of

617
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: my early first few episodes was really just kind of

618
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: you know, listening body language, reacting to Tim not doing

619
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 2: a lot. But the audience was getting it. The audience

620
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: was laughing at our kind of subliminal relationship going on there.

621
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: And there came a point third episode maybe or something

622
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: like that, where Tim had had this joke and I

623
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: think it was something like, hey, al yeah, you think

624
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: they call it molding because it's been a the refrigerator

625
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: too long, you know. And I'm just there to let

626
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: Tim have that laugh, you know, So I let the

627
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,239
Speaker 2: audience laugh. You know, I don't do anything. I just

628
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: I just relaxed my face. I don't do anything. And

629
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: then I'm about to say my line, my retort line,

630
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: which was nothing really and before I say that, the

631
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: audience laughs again, and I go, oh, no, I wasn't

632
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: milking that. I didn't mean to melk that. But that's

633
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: a nice laugh. That's a really that's a relationships laugh,

634
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: you know. And then I went, I don't think so

635
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: Tim and Mack got a big laugh, and all day long,

636
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: the writers would walk by me and go, you did

637
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: yourself a favor there. So I had like three lines

638
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: and I go, yeah, thank you, thank you. That felt good,

639
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: you know. And the audience hasn't seen the show yet,

640
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: it hasn't hired, so all of these things are happening

641
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: because it's funny. And that's the audience knew who we

642
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: were before we knew who we were. And the writers

643
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: were watching that, watching them watch us, and all of

644
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: a sudden it just clicked for them. They went, you

645
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: know what this is. This is working. Yeah, this is working.

646
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: We do you know, I'm sorry, Steven, but we we

647
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: found this and and you know, later on when I

648
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: cognizantly the thing back on on. You know, the early

649
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: stuff was like I got to help create the character

650
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: without having to be placed into a character that was

651
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: already written.

652
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

653
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 2: So they were watching the audience watch us, they were

654
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: watching me. I was doing stuff. I did what they

655
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: did they did, you know, they played off mine what

656
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: I was doing, and you know, it was like it

657
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: was the best of all worlds. It's the best way

658
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: to do it.

659
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 4: I mean that's yeah, workshopping basically, right, like workshopping account

660
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 4: I was workshopped that's so.

661
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: Great, so fun, and all the pressure was off because

662
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: you didn't think you had the job. You thought, there's

663
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: no there's no chance this is mine. It's I didn't

664
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: have to.

665
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: Go through the gauntlet of a network. I didn't have

666
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: to go through the network auditions where they look at

667
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: you and go, oh, he's not tall, I don't know

668
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: his face doesn't work with the Canada well whatever it

669
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 2: is that you know, the network would say. I didn't

670
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: have to do any of that. I was just I

671
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: was already there. Wow.

672
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. And of course Steven Tablowski has gone on to

673
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: also have an incredible career there working.

674
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: I never ever I ran into a met arts DELI

675
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: did you I did, And I went up to it

676
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: and I go excuse me, and I didn't know what

677
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: to say. Mister Dolblowska is. I just said excuse me

678
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: and he looks up and he goes, oh my god, oh.

679
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: Job.

680
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: Believe I didn't take that job, And I thank you

681
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: for that.

682
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: I so great. I worked with him on Lopez Versus Lopez.

683
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: I got to direct him on that show, and man,

684
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: is he ever just the nicest, funniest.

685
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's really funny. He's really funny.

686
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: Well, he would have been funny. It would have been

687
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: a very.

688
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 5: Different show, totally different, way different, the way different.

689
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: You know, everything worked out the way it was supposed to.

690
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, So the.

691
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: Show remained in the Nielsen top ten for six straight years,

692
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: and in its third season, it was the number one

693
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: show in America, averaging thirty four point one million viewers. No,

694
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: I mean a number that's truly laughable now, considering you're

695
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: lucky to get you know, three million.

696
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 2: You know, we were up against Seinfelder in the first season. Really,

697
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: they moved Seinfeld. They moved them to Thursday night and

698
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: created musty Thursday Night TV. Yeah right, right. We stayed

699
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: on Tuesdays or Wednesdays whenever we were.

700
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you owned that night. I mean that was

701
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 5: Improvement at Night. Yeah, definitely.

702
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: But later they put Fraser up against us. Oh okay,

703
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: you know why they would do that. I don't know.

704
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: It's just they make they make when networks make weird

705
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: decisions sometimes. Yeah. So, how does life change for you?

706
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: Then?

707
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: In that after that first season of Home Improvement, are

708
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: you just recognized everywhere you go? How does life change?

709
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: It's like a snowball. It just gets bigger and bigger. Well,

710
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 2: like I said, I was an apartment manager and into

711
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: into you know the show has aired, and I get

712
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: a phone call one night and then you know, our

713
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: our kitchen sink is stopped up. Can you come take

714
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: a look at it? And I go down there and

715
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: there's like fifteen people in their apartment and going you

716
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: see el Borland's our apartment manager. And I just looked

717
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: at it. I went, oh my god, I don't need

718
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: this job anymore. I can get another.

719
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: I can give up this nine hundred dollars a month.

720
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I can pay for rent now. And my

721
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: son was born the first season. Cooper was born in

722
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: March of our first season.

723
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: Oh and that was what year was the first season?

724
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: Was it ninety Well we did the pilot in ninety one,

725
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 2: but it was ninety one ninety two season.

726
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha.

727
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: And so March of ninety two, your son.

728
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: March of ninety two. Cooper marched fourth on March.

729
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 5: So I have I have a quick story for you.

730
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 5: It's I don't know if you're if you have any

731
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 5: of these in your life, but there are moments in

732
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 5: your life that stick with you because when you think

733
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 5: about them, you get embarrassed all over again.

734
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: Yeah you go, oh my god, I hope no one's

735
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: looking at me.

736
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you you were one of mine.

737
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 5: You are so uh the first so as you remember ABC,

738
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 5: the coolest things is they would have the opening party

739
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 5: every year and they would like send us all there

740
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 5: the party be some cool place. And the first year

741
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 5: I think I went, it was at the Librea tar Pits,

742
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 5: and it was like the coolest thing in the world.

743
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 5: And I was new to Hollywood.

744
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 3: I just got in here. We just gotten boy Mes World.

745
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: It hadn't aired yet, its just shooting.

746
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 5: I was a huge home improvement fan and I at

747
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 5: one point I'm talking to somebody and I look over

748
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 5: and you're standing there, and so I'm seventeen, I think

749
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 5: at the time, and I just stare at you in

750
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 5: such a creepy way and for so long that eventually

751
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 5: you look at me and walk over and extend your

752
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 5: hand to introduce yourself, because I was just the creepy

753
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 5: kid staring at you. And to this day, every time

754
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 5: I think about it, I still get retroactively embarrassed for

755
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 5: myself and how nice you were to walk over that

756
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 5: It was a good fifteen to me, just staring and

757
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 5: it was, hey, kids, stop staring to where you left

758
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 5: your conversation to walk over to shake my hand in

759
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 5: such a nice way. But I know the subtext was

760
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 5: if I don't do this, this creep is going to

761
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 5: follow me home.

762
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 7: Yes, so, oh my god, still embarrassed, but so thank

763
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 7: you for taking the time to at least come over

764
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 7: and shake a seventeen year old kid's hand who was

765
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 7: wide eyed and just staring at you from across the room.

766
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: So I appreciate it.

767
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: And you guys know the process of accumulating celebritiness or recognizability.

768
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: And you know, I realized early on that you know,

769
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: you either have to be okay with this or you're

770
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 2: gonna be upset all the time.

771
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you know.

772
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: And I'm I don't want to be upset all the

773
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: time totally. You know, I'm wanting other people, you know, uh,

774
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: have fights or or you know, punch out a camera

775
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: man or something that and like, wow, you know, just

776
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: just own up, just you.

777
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: Know, be nice, Go do something else.

778
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 5: If this, if you're gonna be if you're gonna be

779
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 5: mean to your own fans, go pick another job.

780
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 3: Go do something else.

781
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: Well, when I did theater, you know, and I'd go

782
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: off to Actors Theater Louisville or Players Theater and Columbus

783
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: where people would come up to me and they say, oh,

784
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: we saw the play last week. It was really fun,

785
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 2: you know, and they'd be like maybe one two people.

786
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 2: And then it just started to accumulate more and more

787
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: and I and at first I was a little embarrassed

788
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: about it by it. I'm you know, I'm not worthy.

789
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I'm I'm in my little bubble,

790
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: my little you know. We're on the show, and we

791
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: were rehearsed, and we're doing our job and and people

792
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: are all of a sudden watching us with their families,

793
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: and it's becoming more than just us. It's becoming it's

794
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: becomeing their you know, their childhood, their memory of a

795
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: simpler time where they sat with their grandparents or their

796
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: parents or brothers and sisters. And that's what it is now.

797
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: It's not it's not me, it's their memory of our show.

798
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: In the off season. Would you ever shave just to

799
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 1: be able to not be as recognizable?

800
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: I didn't know. And this is why it was, because

801
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: I was getting commercials and I was like, of the

802
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: mind Cooper's just born college, I'm going to do these commercials.

803
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: And I go and if I do these commercials, you know,

804
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: most major emotion pictures might be out of the I'm

805
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: okay with that, you know. I make this decision like

806
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: I'm okay without having to be Tom Cruise like I

807
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: would be Cruise. You know. I made this decision, and

808
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: I had like major companies. You know. I represented a

809
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 2: garage door company. I represented Orchard Support that was big, yeah,

810
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: and you know, and they needed me to look like

811
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: me now on the business side of the of the thing.

812
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: Disney equated that with them giving me a raise, Like

813
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: we don't need to give you a raise because we're

814
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: letting you do commercials.

815
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: Yo, that's so Disney.

816
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I mean I eventually got a raise,

817
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: and you know, I didn't get my likeness back in

818
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: a plaid shirt till the final season.

819
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: They allowed you weren't allowed to wear a plaid shirt.

820
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: Well, I had to get permission. Wow, Yeah, that's the.

821
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I still don't have my likeness.

822
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 5: So I uh, none of us do I know?

823
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: Perfect that's what we get?

824
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: Are you guys? Worried about AI. Can they Can they

825
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: just do that? Or do you have some some authority

826
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: over that?

827
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: No, you're probably right. I think I think my actual

828
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: contact my contract, I did get that. I got a

829
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: I got my original contract, and it says that they

830
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: own my likeness in on any planet, in any universe.

831
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: Any university.

832
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: Yeah literally beyond. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's good with

833
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: those tie it all together.

834
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I wasn't a talk show I mean

835
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: a game show host.

836
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: So Will and I would commit a felony to have

837
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: had your job that.

838
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 5: Oh man, two seconds, Danielle and I have to host

839
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 5: some sort of a game show?

840
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my gosh, what is that experience?

841
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: Like? I you know, I kind of turned it down

842
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: at first, why because it was so in that field.

843
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: It was like a game show. I'm an Antley Feud,

844
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 2: I know, I know. But this is the thing I had.

845
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: I had done a pilot of to tell the Truth

846
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: as one of the panelists, you know, with Paula Pattone

847
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: and me and two other you know, I can't think

848
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 2: of their names, but and John O'Hurley was the host.

849
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: They were they were really bringing out to tell the truth.

850
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: And I did that, and the pilot got picked up.

851
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: The show got picked up, and they asked me if

852
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: I'd like to continue with it, and I went, now,

853
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: I don't think I want to do a game show.

854
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: And then a year later they called me and said,

855
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: would you like to host Family Feud? And I go wow,

856
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: really gosh, And I'm like, I'm doing something for Orchard

857
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: Hardware up near San Francisco, somewhere yet up there, and

858
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm in a bar and I turned to this person

859
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: next to me at the bar and I go, hey,

860
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: how you doing. They go, oh my god, you're Richard Carr.

861
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, what would you think if I did

862
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: a game show? And they went, well, nah, you don't

863
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: want to do that, you know, just some random person, right.

864
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: They go, yeah, you're right.

865
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: I think I don't want to do that.

866
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: You're right, you know. And I go back and I

867
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: say no, I don't like and then it's like they

868
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: all it's not like they ganged up on me, but

869
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: they all went, well, you know, you've been doing family TV,

870
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: you did family movies. This is just another family venue

871
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: you can do, which might be a lot of fun.

872
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: And I'm and I'm thinking, uh, yeah, okay, all right,

873
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: I'm in. I'm in. I'm good it. You know, I'll

874
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: do it, and you know, if I decide to do it,

875
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm doing it.

876
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm you're committing.

877
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm committing. And so in the other side of my brain,

878
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, okay, this is me. Uh, I gotta be funny.

879
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: I got to come up with stuff, and they had writers,

880
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: they had a writer, you know, to come up with things.

881
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't work for that show because everything happens in

882
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,959
Speaker 2: the moment. Yeah, you can't. You know, you can't predecide

883
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: what you know. You can write a joke about that question,

884
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: but it might not have anything to do with their answer.

885
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what's it called the crowd work. It's crowd

886
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: work basically the people directly in front of you.

887
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So you know you just have to go, Okay,

888
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: I can't. These jokes aren't working for me. I'm just

889
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: gonna you know, I'll try and be funny. If I'm not,

890
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: we'll just play the game, you know. So, so it

891
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: was like stand up with a safety net. If I

892
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 2: couldn't think of something, we just played the game. Yeah,

893
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 2: but there was always something and it happened in real time,

894
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: so I could never remember it because my mind is

895
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: working in real time, so I you know, I would

896
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: clock that something was funny at the end of the show,

897
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: go there was something funny. Can I don't remember what

898
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: it was? And they go, oh, it was you know.

899
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: So I never had a firm grasp on all the

900
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 2: funny little things that happened until I made them go back.

901
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: And you know, I said, you guys should do bloopers

902
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: or something, you know, you know, and come up with

903
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: the funny stuff.

904
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: So that's did you good to have any hand in

905
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: the editing? Because sometimes I think about, like if you

906
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: were making like when you're it's like improv and stand

907
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: up comedy mixed with also hosting job and sometimes when

908
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: you're just talking off the cuff like that, did you

909
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: have any saying like you know what, I may have

910
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: said that, oh, you didn't have any sation.

911
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: But you know I had replaced Louis Anderson. Yeah, and

912
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: Louie is a very very funny guy, but he's also

913
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: a very large guy. He couldn't move. I mean, that's

914
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 2: why he stayed at the podium so much. He couldn't

915
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: get around, and all of his comedy took time, and

916
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: so a lot of it got edited out. Yeah, you know,

917
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: and I realized that, you know, we don't have a

918
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: lot of time. We have three minutes less than Network

919
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: because we were already syndicated, so we instead of twenty

920
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: two minutes, we had nineteen. So all of all of

921
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: what I was trying to do was speed up the

922
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Speaker 2: game part or the stuff so that I would have

923
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Speaker 2: time like it looked like I had time to be

924
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, conversationally and off the cup and this and that.

925
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: You know, I kind of worked on that in a

926
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: in a weird kind of a way, but I didn't

927
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: get to help edit or that was that was a

928
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: whole nother thing. And you know, bravo to you for

929
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 2: you know, becoming a director, because that much authority was

930
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 2: just too much to a weight on my on my mind.

931
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 2: That's why I never, you know, really truly did that. Well.

932
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: The good the good news is, at least in sitcom,

933
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: although you are the leader on the set, ultimately it's

934
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: not the director's medium. I'm I'm making the showrunners dreams

935
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: come true, and I'm working with the actors to make

936
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: that happen. And so unlike on a movie set where

937
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: it's just all in your hands and your vision. There's

938
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: a there's a nice happy medium where I still have

939
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: to answer to somebody else on a on a sitcom set.

940
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: Are you I noticed.

941
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 2: That that John pass One was was a step of that.

942
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: I mean he had he had a lot more pull

943
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: and how things got got edited and stuff like that.

944
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: Pasquin is amazing. I was interviewed by him in order

945
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: to get the job over at Shifting Gears. Uh, And

946
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: he he came by and and would watch me work

947
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: and ask me questions about why I was doing things

948
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: the way I was doing them, and he he gave

949
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: me input. He made my episode better. Yeah, Pasquin is.

950
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: That is so cool, phenomenal. I learned Jonathan is trying

951
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: to do that too.

952
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: I know Jonathan came to set with me when I

953
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: directed my episode of Shifting Gears and he's he absolutely

954
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: would want me to tell you hello, I'm still very

955
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: close to Jonathan. I don't know when the last time

956
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: was you saw or spoke to him, but we're still

957
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: very good friends. Yeah. Yeah, you guys need to have

958
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: a reunion. Do you have When was the last time

959
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: you saw or spoke to Tim?

960
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: Well, how don't you seen the internet. A CBS is

961
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: offering us a billion dollars?

962
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: What what? Oh, yeah, I've see this.

963
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: Oh it's clickbait. It's it's totally clear. Ba nice. You know,

964
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: it's like, really a billion dollars.

965
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 3: We're not familiar with the clickbait articles. We don't know

966
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: it too well.

967
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 2: Go on, go on to Facebook or whatever and say

968
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: CBS home Improvement one billion dollars and it'll come.

969
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: It'll come out.

970
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: Love it.

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Speaker 1: Well. One other thing I wanted to talk to you about.

972
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: We had Debbie Dunning on the show recently, and I

973
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: know you too are doing some conventions together and golf

974
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: tournaments together with new fans all around the world. Did

975
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: you ever think you would still be talking about home

976
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: improvement thirty years later, the same way we are still

977
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: talking about Boy Meets World thirty years later.

978
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: I don't think I that did not compute. You know.

979
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: It was like, because we don't have that in our life.

980
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: We don't, you know now that we're now that I'm older,

981
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: I can look back and go, oh, yeah, okay, I

982
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 2: can see how all that is. But you know, trying

983
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: to project that for thirty years people, you know, we

984
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 2: we I started out without social media without the Internet,

985
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: and then it happened after Home Improvement, right, right, So

986
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 2: all of these actors from okay, we'll say two thousand

987
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: and five on on all these new shows had the

988
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: benefit of our experience because we'll throw it up there

989
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: online and go, you know, this is how I fell out.

990
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: This is what happened, and they can learn from that.

991
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,959
Speaker 2: We had nothing to learn from except, you know, maybe

992
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 2: some articles in Pop teen magazine or whatever. But I

993
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: didn't read those, and so I didn't really have a

994
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 2: you know, context for what this was going to be.

995
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I can tell you in Team Beat, all

996
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: they really talked about was our favorite pizza toppings. It wasn't.

997
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't some real you know, education journalism articles.

998
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: So you know, did you read any of Jonathan's Because

999
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: he was like a fifty year old man in a

1000
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: twelve year old body. He might have thrown some of

1001
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: that stuff in there.

1002
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: I know. Jonathan wanted us to get matching minivans as

1003
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: our first cars. Jonathan, No, I do not want a minivan.

1004
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: Let alone won that matches none of mine he got

1005
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: he got we did. I got a Forerunner and he

1006
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: got the Toyota Land cruiser, So we did get mad.

1007
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: They were they were like, you know, his and hers.

1008
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: Not not not bashing minivans by the way.

1009
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: You know, you know I where loves min He keeps

1010
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: telling me that he wants me to get a minivan.

1011
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Scooby Doo had the mystery machine he

1012
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: did exactly.

1013
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: Richard, Where can people see you?

1014
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 2: Now?

1015
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: What are you working on? What do people what do

1016
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: you want people to know? Where can where can we

1017
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: send people who want to catch over you?

1018
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I've become an influencer for Natty Light, doing stuff

1019
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: for do my own, which is yard maintenance. I'm doing

1020
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: the pocket hose. I'm doing a little movie in Michigan

1021
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: in September where I play a sheriff that's kind of

1022
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 2: on the shady side. You know, I don't know. I

1023
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 2: just I show up and do stuff.

1024
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: But you know, what's a pocket hose?

1025
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 3: Pocket hocket hose, pucket hose? O, my god, what.

1026
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: Pock Totally different podcast?

1027
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 5: Okay, it's a tiny prostitute you carry around?

1028
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: How do you not know.

1029
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: This in your pocket?

1030
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: When you guys are saying pocket hose, Like that's much

1031
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: more clear. What is a pocket?

1032
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: It's a small hose that you get, a hose that

1033
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: expands when you put water through it.

1034
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: Yes, it's tiny and so it can fit in your pocket.

1035
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: It's a pocket hose in their pocket.

1036
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: Well, now you're you know now because you've talked about

1037
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: it around your phone, it's gonna it's gonna pop up

1038
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: in all your Oh.

1039
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: Have tiny little prostitutes coming in your house.

1040
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: Listen, I have to go. I have to go be

1041
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: an important actor right now. I gotta go.

1042
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: So much for being here with us. It's always a

1043
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: joy to see you, so much fun to talk about.

1044
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: You have an incredible career, an incredible story. Thank you

1045
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: for being with us.

1046
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 2: We'll call me back and we can finish the conversation

1047
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 2: at some other point.

1048
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: I would love that. Thank you so much.

1049
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: Take care. Bye.

1050
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: You guys said pocket it's a pocket hose. You gotta know.

1051
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 5: A pocket You just saw these tiny little prostitutes anything.

1052
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: He was saying after it.

1053
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: Like what I mean?

1054
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 4: It actually just sounds like the name for a great

1055
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 4: sex toy, right, like a pocket a pocket hoe.

1056
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: Why would you need a hose in your pocket?

1057
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 5: No, it's just it it comes in a little like

1058
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 5: it the entire hose.

1059
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: Again, what is the what how does this benefit means

1060
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: a hose be normal sized because then it takes.

1061
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 5: Up a ton of space, whereas this one takes up

1062
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 5: this amount of space and you hit the water and

1063
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 5: then it inflates to like full size. And then when

1064
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 5: you put water in a regular size prostitute and it

1065
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 5: gets to be a big sized prostitute like that same

1066
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 5: thing exactly exactly.

1067
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, thank you all for joining us for this

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00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow

1069
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: us on Instagram pod Meets World Show. You can send

1070
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: us your emails Podmeets World Show at gmail dot com.

1071
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: And we've gotten merched.

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00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 3: Well, it's got to be pocket hose, I mean not,

1073
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 3: can it not be? You know, little prostitutes from all

1074
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 3: around the world pocket hose merch.

1075
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 5: Daniel still cannot wrap her head around a tiny little

1076
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 5: prostitute just hanging out, just sitting there.

1077
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Podmeets Worldshow dot com writer, send us out. We

1078
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: love you all, pod dismissed.

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Speaker 4: Pod Meets World is an iHeart podcast producer hosted by

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00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,959
Speaker 4: Danielle Fischel, Wilfordell and Ryder Strong Executive producers Jensen Karp

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Speaker 4: producer and editor, Tarasubash producer, Maddie Moore engineer and Boy

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Speaker 4: Meets World Superman Easton out. Our theme song is by

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Speaker 4: Kyle Morton of Typhoon. Follow us on Instagram at Podmets

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