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Speaker 1: Welcome to Tuesday's This is a big blue kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. He's pulled a teen on

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Speaker 1: Lance Metal. Good to be with you for the next

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes. We're gonna continue to preview the Giants two

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Speaker 1: the green Bay Packers today, so we'll have a special

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Speaker 1: and outs of green Bay team that made a lot

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Speaker 1: of offseason moves. We'll get to your phone calls at

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Speaker 1: two zero five one three. You can also interact with

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Speaker 1: us on Twitter hashtag Giants Chat, So Paul. Yesterday we

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Speaker 1: broke down the Miami Dolphins with Armando sel Gero of

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Speaker 1: the Miami Herald and the Dolphins a team that certainly

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Speaker 1: does not have a lot of high expectations connected to

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Speaker 1: them because of I'll change a quarterback, different direction in

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Speaker 1: terms of their defense and so forth. But today's team

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Speaker 1: is gonna be a much different discussion because last year

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Speaker 1: you could point to injuries was a big part of

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Speaker 1: the entire year. But they're part of a division that

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Speaker 1: is on the rise and a team that I thought

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Speaker 1: made a lot of noise this offseason on the defensive

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Speaker 1: offensive court here. Well, I think that's what makes the

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Speaker 1: Packers a very intriguing topic for today's show. By the way,

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Speaker 1: they play the Giants December first here at MetLife Stadium,

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Speaker 1: because there are so many people who thought that they

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Speaker 1: underachieved last year. Now, certainly they did have their injury

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Speaker 1: most people thought they would be much better position to

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs than they turned out to be. Now,

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Speaker 1: what do they do? Controversial decision, at least from the

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Speaker 1: outside in terms of the Rogers McCarthy relationship that wound

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Speaker 1: up having the head coach loses job. Uh. Look, we

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Speaker 1: say he underachieved and should have done better, but that's

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Speaker 1: another discussion for another day. He's no longer the head coach.

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Speaker 1: Matt Laflour is the guy now. I don't know enough

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Speaker 1: being that it's his first NFL head job. We could

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Speaker 1: injuries and the rosters moves, which are certainly critical, is

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Speaker 1: what is Matt Lafleur going to be well. I think

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Speaker 1: that's one of the biggest looming questions surrounding Green Bay

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Speaker 1: because to your point, whenever you have a new head coach,

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Speaker 1: to bring to the team. Now we know he's from

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Speaker 1: the Kyle Shanahan school of thoughts, so there's been a

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Speaker 1: and more as we now get into the Green Bay Packers,

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Speaker 1: who the Giants will host on December one in week thirteen.

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Speaker 1: And now we have on the line the publisher of

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Speaker 1: Packer Report dot Com, Bill Hubert. Bill, you got Lance

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Speaker 1: Metal Poulatino with here on Giants dot Com Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. Appreciate the time. How's everything today? I'm great.

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Speaker 1: We're doing very well and a lot to delve into

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Speaker 1: in terms of one of the Giants opponents this season

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Speaker 1: and built before we had to come on, Paul and

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Speaker 1: I were talking big picture perspective about Green Bay's outlook.

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Speaker 1: A lot of changes, So let's start with the most

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Speaker 1: notable change, a new head coach in Matt Lafleur and

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Speaker 1: what he's going to bring to the table in Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: I thought that the latter part of their season, when

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Speaker 1: And they've got a really good running back and Aaron

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Speaker 1: You know, we know that La Fleur and McVeigh are

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Speaker 1: is always a flavor of the month in a copycat league.

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Speaker 1: How much of his hiring by the Packers is trying

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Speaker 1: a good point. I I think La Fleur's track record

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Speaker 1: Then he goes to Los Angeles where under Jeff Fisher,

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Speaker 1: at least we think so in McCarthy's departure. So what

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Speaker 1: So I think that really helps Rogers there that say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: market his legacy. We're talking with Bill Hubert Packer Report

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Speaker 1: just was referring to the dynamics between Rogers and Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of chatter this offseason, even though

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Speaker 1: a lot of what he called can plays. In other words,

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Speaker 1: next year. But yeah, it's time to make it really

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Speaker 1: really this goes back to making life easier for Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: as we talked about early in this conversation, give him

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Speaker 1: a defense, and that's what they've tried to do. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll see if these guys work out. I mean, Preston

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Speaker 1: Smith's got what four sex last year up a fine

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Speaker 1: Karagan that that to me's like, oh that's that's not

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Speaker 1: very good. So we'll see if these guys pan out.

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Speaker 1: Your names isn't making a zillion dollars too, And he's

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Speaker 1: got three career in receptions and he's coming off arguably

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Speaker 1: the best year of his career with the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 1: So you're right, it turned of resume and track record.

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Speaker 1: There's potential there, but not necessarily a consistent one. And

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Speaker 1: I think he made a valid point. Look at what

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Speaker 1: the Saints did for Drew brees Bill. I think the

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Speaker 1: Packers have the same philosophy, balance out the team, and

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Speaker 1: then it could certainly do wonders. But you brought up

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Speaker 1: the quarterback position. I want to jump back to offense

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Speaker 1: here real quickly, and about whether or not they need

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Speaker 1: to look for another quarterback. I was looking over the

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Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks across the NFL and Aaron Rodgers, as you

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Speaker 1: well know, Bill has not stayed fully healthy during the

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Speaker 1: course of his career. How concerning is it when you

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Speaker 1: look at their depth chart here? They got de Shaun Kaiser, Okay,

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Speaker 1: who they made the trade with from Cleveland, Tim Boyle,

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Speaker 1: who I'm sure if you ask most NFL fans they

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Speaker 1: couldn't even recognize him if he walked down the block.

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Speaker 1: No offense to Tim Boyle. If Aaron Rodgers goes down

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Speaker 1: this season, what's their plan here? How much confidence do

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Speaker 1: they have in a guy like Kaiser that he could

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Speaker 1: keep that offensive float. Yeah, I wouldn't say. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: say it's a ton um. I will say, and this

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Speaker 1: is the challenge here for Kaiser played at Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: you know, and then he goes to Cleveland, and then

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Speaker 1: there's a coaching change of Cleveland, and then he goes

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Speaker 1: to McCarthy and this is five schemes and five years

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Speaker 1: of that guy. That's duty. And it's the same for Boil,

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Speaker 1: who was started as career Connecticut and goes to Eastern

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Speaker 1: Kentucky and now he's in the second scheme here. I

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Speaker 1: think this is four schemes and five years from this

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Speaker 1: is this is tough for anybody. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: not just a schematic change. You've got a different quarterback

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Speaker 1: coach and a different head coach with the kind of

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Speaker 1: their own viewpoints on footwork, call on stuff. It's that's tough.

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Speaker 1: I I don't say, I wouldn't say either of them

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Speaker 1: had especially good offseason. They all want great tools. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know, no one knows who Tim Boil is. That

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Speaker 1: man could throw a football. Now we'll ever add up

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Speaker 1: for him. Beats me. At least there are some tools thereby,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know what the hell to do. But

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Speaker 1: you know, is there any different than any other team though? Right?

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Speaker 1: I mean that's fair. You're starting. If you're starting quarterback

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Speaker 1: goes on, you're probably screwed anyways. Well, I guess my

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Speaker 1: point here, Bill is, I've seen other teams in recent

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Speaker 1: years and Once again, this goes back to the finances

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Speaker 1: and how much willing, how much money you're willing to

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Speaker 1: wrap up in the quarterback position, knowing what Rogers makes.

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Speaker 1: But you've seen them go out and get for example,

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys got Kyle Lordon. Teams have gone after Josh McCown,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick. And I'm not crowning them and saying that,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're tremendous winners, but at least you feel

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Speaker 1: they have a good sense of the offense and they

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Speaker 1: could keep things afloat and keep you competitive or even

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Speaker 1: you know, with the Bears, if you remember when Cutler

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Speaker 1: went down Josh McCown, when Mark Trustman was the head coach,

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Speaker 1: he at least stabilized things for a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: just haven't seen Green Bay do that, and it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit surprising considering rogers health issues over his career

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Speaker 1: them and they did trapped, they did trade for Kaiser

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Speaker 1: last they gave their former first round pick to marriage

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Speaker 1: readily to get him. So it's not they haven't tried. Um.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess we'll see, you know, if if

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Speaker 1: they feel uh terribly about things in late August, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe uh, you keep eye on the waiver wire or

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Speaker 1: a late trade for someone. But yeah, it's and I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't they feel especially good about it. But you know

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Speaker 1: the GM, you know, you have some pretty good campul

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Speaker 1: to get Kaiser, So um, maybe he thinks more highly

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Speaker 1: from than I don't. Uh. My final question is actually

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Speaker 1: about Rogers. It's not so much about this year, but

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Speaker 1: we all know that that his contract has several years

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Speaker 1: to go. Over the last three years. I think there's

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Speaker 1: no guaranteed money in there, so he would be cutible.

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Speaker 1: I mean, are there anybody Are there any people talking

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Speaker 1: in Green Bay about well, you just said they're trying

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Speaker 1: to get this thing to go so Rogers can make

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Speaker 1: one more run. Are we talking about a guy who

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Speaker 1: is running out of some time there? I mean? Is

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Speaker 1: is he looking at two or three years? I mean,

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Speaker 1: we know that everybody in New York is talking about

518
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Speaker 1: while when's Manning's and going to come? People in Pittsburgh

519
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Speaker 1: talk about when's Ben's and gonna come? Or Philip Rivers

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Speaker 1: in San Diego? Are are are any people talking at

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Speaker 1: all about Rogers and is coming soon? Not anybody who's

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Speaker 1: saying okay, okay, I'm I'm just asking I mean, nobody

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Speaker 1: you know what move he'll be hell mean, he can

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Speaker 1: throw like no one's business. And I'm sure that when

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Speaker 1: the time with an he's not quite as mobile, he's

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Speaker 1: he's so chal he can change his game um to

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Speaker 1: get rid of the scrambling and extend to play stuff

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Speaker 1: and become more of a Tom Brady quick game kind

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Speaker 1: of good. I know, I don't. I don't see any

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Speaker 1: expiration date. And I ask, you know why I asked

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Speaker 1: your bill, because what he's thirty six now, right, okay?

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Speaker 1: And and it's funny because you know it used to

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Speaker 1: be years ago and obviously forties the new thirty. You

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Speaker 1: know when when quarterbacks with thirty four you started to

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Speaker 1: hear those whispers, and now it's like, well, quarterbacks, the

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Speaker 1: thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight, freaking Tom Brady is

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Speaker 1: over forty, you know. And and I wonder what is

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Speaker 1: too old to be an NFL quarterback nowadays? You know,

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Speaker 1: when Bland to play, what was he forty five? I

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Speaker 1: think he was really a kicker at that point when

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Speaker 1: when he retired from the Raiders. I wonder what what

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Speaker 1: are we saying about the NFL that, you know, these

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Speaker 1: older guys are now extending their careers at the quarterback

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Speaker 1: position far beyond on the productive years that they used

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Speaker 1: to be able to do before. You can't hit him.

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Speaker 1: You can't even look at quarterbacks cross anymore with all

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Speaker 1: getting flags. And yeah, I mean, the league is put

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Speaker 1: in so many rules in place between rough the stuff

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Speaker 1: on quarterbacks and you know, receivers get you can't touch

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Speaker 1: him at past this and them. I mean, there's just

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Speaker 1: so many rules that are stacked in favor of the

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Speaker 1: offense that you know, any any skill set in physical

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Speaker 1: loss and these guys and they just make up for

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Speaker 1: it by having these computer like minds, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: because they've they've seen I mean, Tom Brady's seen every

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Speaker 1: blitz ever created a thousand times. How are you gonna

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Speaker 1: puol Tom Brady? You're not. You might pool them once

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Speaker 1: or twice, but you're not gonna. You're not gonna have

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Speaker 1: a steady diet of it. You can't fool the guy,

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Speaker 1: but then you can't hit him either. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean shooting Brady coppoluately fifty, I mean, just because just

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Speaker 1: because he's so smart, his release is so good, he

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Speaker 1: throws it well off. I mean, to shoot right you're right, Bill,

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Speaker 1: before we let you go. Is one of the quick

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Speaker 1: question on the defensive front. Darnell Savage. They bring in

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Speaker 1: the rookie to complement Adrian Amos, who you brought up

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Speaker 1: earlier at the safety position, and Gi R Alexander continued

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Speaker 1: to develop at the corner spot. What's the upside in

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Speaker 1: terms of those two players in particular and what they

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Speaker 1: could do for the secondary this season? Yeah, those are

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Speaker 1: those are the game changing guys you want. Um. Alexander

572
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Speaker 1: only had one pick lash year, but he had two

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Speaker 1: wiped away on Clay Matthews Bantom roughing the pass apparently

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Speaker 1: speaking of neck, you can't hit the quarterback. Um, he

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Speaker 1: had a lot of the a lot of ball production

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Speaker 1: college and tame with Savage. He had like seven picks

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Speaker 1: and two years in Maryland, his lastwo years in Maryland,

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Speaker 1: and he's he's the guy can run like both those

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Speaker 1: guys can run like the wind, especially Savage. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: those are those guys should be game changers, not just

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Speaker 1: silent stutters, but with their skill set, those guys should

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Speaker 1: be the kind of guys who if you get any

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Speaker 1: pass rush at all, those guys, Um potentially are guys

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Speaker 1: who win football games for it because they can get

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Speaker 1: you that that big play that and we'll see if

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Speaker 1: they have they gotta prove it. But potentials there. Yeah, Well,

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00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 1: the potential is there for the Packers defense and if

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Speaker 1: it could do what New Orleans defense did over the

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Speaker 1: last few season, it could certainly go a long way

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Speaker 1: and helping the Packers turn things around. He's Bill Huber, publisher,

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Speaker 1: Packer Report dot Com. Bill can't thank you enough for

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Speaker 1: the time and insight today. Really appreciate it. Thank you

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00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: so much, Bill. Absolutely, that is Bill Huber once again

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Speaker 1: weighing in on the Packers who are going to visit

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Speaker 1: the Giants December onet here MetLife Stadium in week thirteen.

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Speaker 1: And Aaron Rodgers now has a defensive unit that has

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Speaker 1: a number of weapons and the big key, just like

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the Giants. Is it all gonna come

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00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: together for the Packers on the field this season? Certainly

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Speaker 1: from listening to him, they have reasonably believe there'll be

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Speaker 1: a much improved team out there in Green Bay. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I understand why. Again, it goes back to

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Speaker 1: what is Matt la Floor going to be in his

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Speaker 1: first head coaching job. And there are some offensive minded gurus,

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Speaker 1: some great quarterback coaches and coordinate lads who have then

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Speaker 1: gone into that chair and not done so well. And

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Speaker 1: I think we know some of the guys who have

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Speaker 1: and some of the guys who have not. Uh, you

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Speaker 1: just don't know how they're going to handle it. So

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Speaker 1: that may be the biggest question of all for the

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Speaker 1: Packers this year, even more so than the roster. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think you bring up a very good point. It's

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Speaker 1: a different story when you're an offensive coordinator and you're

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Speaker 1: only in the O C room, Paul, and you're in

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Speaker 1: charge of one facet of the team. Now, all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, Matt Lafloor, he's got to focus on the

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Speaker 1: defense a little bit. He doesn't have to babysit the

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Speaker 1: defense because Mike Petton is an established defensive coordinator. But

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Speaker 1: I always say this, it's no coincidence that there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of coaches and you've seen this to Paul, they're

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Speaker 1: great coordinators because you tell them to focus on one

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Speaker 1: thing and they can thrive and they can flourish. You

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Speaker 1: now tell them to take command of an entire team,

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Speaker 1: it's a completely different animal. Well, think about some of

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Speaker 1: the names. I mean here in New York even co

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Speaker 1: Titen Walton, what terrific coordinators, you know what Michael's you

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Speaker 1: know with the Jets at three over the course of time,

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Speaker 1: terrific coordinators. We're not We're not terrific necessarily. Head coach

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Speaker 1: has had some measure of success. Um Bugle Joe Bugle,

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Speaker 1: one of the great you know, assistant coaches in NFL history,

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Speaker 1: but didn't farewell as a head coach. And there there's

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Speaker 1: a there's there's a slue of those guys. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, North Turner of Phillips come to no question,

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Speaker 1: you know, so, I mean you could just stack up

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Speaker 1: an entire supermarket shelf with guys who were outstanding assistant coaches,

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Speaker 1: but then when they got into that chair, something happened.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. And we'll see what the packers get. Remember,

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Speaker 1: the floor has want thirty nine years old. He's a

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Speaker 1: young guy. Yeah, may even be younger than that to

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00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: be you know. And and and I don't even know

641
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: if he's ever been a head coach at any level period.

642
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: I don't believe so was not in high school or

643
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: in college. I'm bringing up his resume right now. No,

644
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: he has never been a head never a head coach

645
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: at any level. I will tell their nine you're right.

646
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: I will tell you this. I do believe even if

647
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: you're uh a many year assistant coach in the NFL,

648
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: I do believe that being a head coach, at least

649
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: at the college level, even if it's it at the

650
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: FCS level at one double A, I do think there

651
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: is a tremendous amount of value there before you take

652
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: an NFL head coaching job, if you can make that

653
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: happen at some point during your progression, maybe it's early

654
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: before you become the receiver's coach or the quarterbacks coach

655
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: with an NFL club. If you can at least get

656
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: a head job at the FCS level, I think you're

657
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: much better prepared and you've got a better chance of

658
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: knowing what you're going to get when you become an

659
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: NFL head coach. That's my preference. That's my comfort zone. No,

660
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it hurts, so, I mean, I can't

661
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: argue with you there. I'm looking over the Giant schedule

662
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: related to what would is talking about. Interestingly, more than

663
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,239
Speaker 1: a quarter of the Giants opponents have new coaches. Now,

664
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: that's not a stunning development given the turnover rate in

665
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: the NFL every year. But I was just interested in

666
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: perusing the schedule. Tampa Bay Bruce Arians, so they're gonna

667
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: see one first time head coach of new head coach,

668
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: I should say, in week number three. Then as you

669
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: move along with the schedule, week seven, you're gonna see

670
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury with Arizona, So that's two. The Jets in

671
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: week ten, Adam Gaze is their new coach. That's three.

672
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: Then you move forward to the Dolphins, who we previewed yesterday,

673
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: Ryan Flores in week fifteen, and I skipped over the

674
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: Packers week thirteen with Matt la Floor. So five teams

675
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: with new head coaches the Giants are gonna be facing

676
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: this season. Whether or not that's something to read into,

677
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it could very well mean nothing, but

678
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: it means you're going to see some coaches get their

679
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: feet wet, not necessarily all for the first time because

680
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: some of those are veterans, but take on a new

681
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: identity with their respective squads. Champ of the only one

682
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: that's early on that schedule, they'd be week number three. Yeah, well,

683
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm glad you brought that up because

684
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: here's the other think to take the consideration. Wouldn't you

685
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: want to see maybe a team that has a new

686
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: coach early where they haven't really had an opportunity to

687
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: establish themselves. They could throw a few tricks in, you meaning,

688
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: by the time the Giant's gonna see the Packers and

689
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, you're gonna have a lot of film out

690
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: there of what Brian Flores and Matt Laflora doing. Oh

691
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: as an opponent, Yeah, I would rather see the new

692
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: head coaches team later in the season because I do

693
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: have some something to go off off. You're absolutely right,

694
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: and Adam Gauge, you're gonna see week ten, so it

695
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: actually may be good news to the Giants. Three of

696
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: the five they're gonna see at the latter part of this. Yes,

697
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: so that's not necessary a bad thing. All right, let's

698
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: open up the phone lines two zero, one, nine four

699
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: or five one three. He's called a Tino on'm Lance

700
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: Meddel thanks for tuning in to Tuesdays that they should

701
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: a Big Blue kickoff live presented by Cores light rick

702
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: Is in Tampa. He gets us going here on the

703
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: program Tampa. How about that, guys, just nice to talk

704
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: to you in the beginning of the so called season's

705
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: first time calling in this season. Great luring guys. How

706
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: you doing. Uh yeah, I'm looking forward to third game.

707
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: In fact, I will plan on going to that, so

708
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: hopefully it's not a hundred degrees down here. It's always

709
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: hot at that time of year, and it's really tough

710
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: going to a game down here when you're outside. I mean,

711
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: it is hot. I don't know how to even play

712
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: down here with it's so hot. But but I had

713
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: a couple of quick things. One is um and I know, Paul,

714
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: you're totally thrown by the pick on the sixth pick

715
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: in the draft. It seems so it seems like so

716
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: long ago. And and I just as an ELI fan,

717
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm just tired of hearing how Grady looks in shorts

718
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: running around throwing the ball. Two guys with flags on

719
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: their on their side. You know what we'll see when

720
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: the training camp starts in and I'm behind Eli and uh,

721
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see. It's gonna be an interesting training camp.

722
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: Will be calling a lot. I'm sure We'll wait. Just

723
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: before you go any further, please don't hold anything against

724
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Because he's had a good spring camp. Just

725
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: because he has done extremely well and checked all the

726
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: box is and met all the expectations at this early

727
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: stage of the year, doesn't doesn't take anything away from

728
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: Eli Manning, who quite honestly he has also had a

729
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: terrific offseason. So so they don't they don't have to

730
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: necessarily conflict with each other. Those opinions can be coexisting. Yeah, no,

731
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: and they will be, and elile to always take the

732
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: high road. It's just gonna be a great camp, I think,

733
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: just for the sake of this whole new with the

734
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: new quarterback in so but I'm looking forward to that

735
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: in the excitement. But I have two two things I

736
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about. One, UH is well. For one,

737
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: the defensive pass rush. We know, I don't believe it

738
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: was addressed as well as it should be. But I'm

739
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: excited with this guy X Man. I guess if that's

740
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: how we're saying it, because if he's actually good, what

741
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: a fun way, what a fun name and and nicknames

742
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: that one way to look at it. Guy and the

743
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: X men, you know what I'm saying. So I'm looking

744
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: forward to that. I hope he played UH and hopefully,

745
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: and your thoughts about how he's looked in the O

746
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: T S. Even though I and I don't put too

747
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: much into that, That's the one thing I wanted to

748
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: know about. What are your thoughts on him hopefully filling

749
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: a void that we definitely need pass rush we know that.

750
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: And and regarding the wide receivers with Odell Ghan and

751
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: you know we signed the kid from Detroit um gold

752
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: Golden Kate, which is not a big receiver but fast.

753
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: Uh A, I believe we need a somebody's got to

754
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: be a third We need a third receiver. Who's gonna be?

755
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: Who do you feel? Is it gonna be Corey Lattimer's

756
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: gonna be somebody who's gonna be that third receiver? Uh?

757
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: That's gonna take a spot. And I have a concern

758
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: with Evan Ingram because every year he gets hurt. Do

759
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: you see any fragility with him? I just seem like

760
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: every and we talked about, oh he's gonna be we

761
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: have him as a weapon, it's gonna be the year

762
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: and uh with s Quan and everything, but he gets hurt.

763
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: I mean I I have a concern that he gets

764
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: hurt too much. What are your thoughts on that, And

765
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: who do you think is gonna be that extra wide

766
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: receiver is gonna make an impact because we do need

767
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: one more, I believe to make an InFocus. Sturley Shepherd

768
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: is not a deep threat. Golden Tape, of course can be,

769
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: but we need somebody else, I believe. And x Man,

770
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: what do you think what's going to be? His? Uh

771
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: chants to either we'll make the team but also make

772
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: an impact on the team. And I look forward to

773
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: hearing what he thought. All right, Rick, well we'll get

774
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: into all three of those subjects. Why don't you take

775
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: the tried engine receivers and I'll take x Man. Well.

776
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: In terms of Evan Ingram, first of all, he played

777
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: fifteen games in two thousands seventeen, so I really wouldn't

778
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: classify him as injury plagued his first year. As far

779
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: as this past season, yes, he was certainly banged up.

780
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: He was dealing with multiple injuries, so you know he

781
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: knows that he knows he has to stay on the field.

782
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: It was the hamstring, it was the knee, It was

783
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: a variety of factors that limited him. I wouldn't go

784
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: so far after what is still a relatively small sample size.

785
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: Paul of only two seasons to say that he's fragile,

786
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: I think we got to see more before we put

787
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: that label. Does he need to prove that he could

788
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: be on the field and contribute consistently for sixteen games? Absolutely?

789
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: Did he show positive flashes in the final four games

790
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: without Oldell Beckham, Yes, I think they want to see

791
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: more of that where he was constantly putting up sevent

792
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 1: d to eighty receiving yards, getting x amount of targets,

793
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: being a playmaker. I think this is a huge year.

794
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: It's the third year it could be a breakout year

795
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: usually for the receiver slash tight end. He's got all

796
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: the motivation in the world. I mean I spoke to

797
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: him on a podcast earlier this season. He understands it

798
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: and he hears the skeptics, So I think the motivation

799
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: is there. He's now got to go out and prove it.

800
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: But I don't have my doubts that he's a fragile player.

801
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: I just think that he gets that this is a

802
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: big year for him and as long as they can

803
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: preserve him this offseason, which I think the Giants have

804
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: done a good job because they didn't force him to

805
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: take part in all the off season activities because they know, hey,

806
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: if he's got to bang up knee here or there,

807
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: let's rest him. Let's not try to make it linger

808
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: and then he's not a hundred percent for training. Correct.

809
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: So but that's a positive. Why try to overdo it, Paul,

810
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: no doubt as far as the receiving corps is considered,

811
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: and I think that there's a lot of depth here

812
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: on the team this year. I'm very high on Corey Coleman.

813
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: I think this could be a breakout year for him

814
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: if he stays on the field. The key for Coleman

815
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: is this is his first full offseason with the Giants.

816
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: Remember he arrived in October. He was on the practice squad.

817
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: He was called up. Eli even spoke of this earlier

818
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: this offseason. Corey said to him, Hey, when I know

819
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, when I understand the rout trees, when

820
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: I understand the concepts of the offense, that's when I'm

821
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: in my comfort zone. Well, he's got an entire offseason

822
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: to do that this year. He did not have that

823
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: last year. And also, think about it, he went from

824
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: Cleveland to Buffalo, to New England to the Giants. I

825
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: mean he hasn't had stability in the last year and

826
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: a half. If he can take advantage of what the

827
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: offense calls for him to do, he could be a playmaker.

828
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: I like what Russell Shepard gave the team last year

829
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: when the guys were banged up. Cody Lattimer was on

830
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: I R for the majority of the year. We've got

831
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: to see what he could do, but he barely had

832
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: offensive snaps in Denver. There's p stential here. I don't agree.

833
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: Slayton is another guy who is that vertical threat that

834
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: you were talking about Rick. They've got versatility, they have options.

835
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: The guy's gotta go out there and show it. But

836
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing on paper, I don't think the Giants

837
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: are lacking and having a legitimate number three guy and

838
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: a legitimate number four guy right now. As far as

839
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: x Man, there are two things that that a pass

840
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: rusher UH needs to quickly develop if he's going to

841
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: make an immediate impact as a rookie. Number one is

842
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: strength and power because obviously coming from an FCS program,

843
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: jumping to the NFL, look, they're gonna be times he's

844
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: facing guys who are so much stronger than he has

845
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: ever come into contact with before and he's gonna have

846
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: to be able to muscle up on them. So how

847
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: quickly can he gain the strength to deal with that?

848
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is how can he add

849
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: a variety of moves. Well, here's the thing with X Man,

850
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: he's got the moves already. Most guys will say, okay,

851
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: the strength and the power, you know, my body matures.

852
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: I can had some of that in my rookie season.

853
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: Usually by year two is when they really start to

854
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: fill out. But that's the easier one. The harder one

855
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: for a lot of guys is actually the techniques because

856
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: money of these guys are one trick ponies pass rushers,

857
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: and then maybe they come up with the number two.

858
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: But you know, if you ever listen to Michael Strahan

859
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: talk about pass rushing techniques, he had a minimum of

860
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: four moves and he mastered those four moves. Well, here's

861
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: the thing about X Man, he's got multiple moves already.

862
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: He's ahead of the curve because he's got that repertoire

863
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: sitting in his back pocket. So his big challenge is

864
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: going to be, in my opinion, how quickly can he

865
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: get his power quotient up to be able to handle

866
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: guys during his NFL rookie season when he's got to

867
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: be physical with them. That for me is gonna be

868
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: the bigger question. And to be perfectly frank with you,

869
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a guy if I'm looking for immediate

870
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: impact act who's got the bag of tricks in his

871
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: sleeve and he's got the moves quicker than he's got

872
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: the power quotation. But that's just me and Rick Listen

873
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: will let you go on that note because we want

874
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: to get to a few more calls. But we hope

875
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: we answered your questions on that. Thank you, you got it,

876
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: and thanks so much for tuning in. And also keep

877
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: in mind, I don't disagree with anything he just laid out,

878
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: but as far as zimm and as what we've seen

879
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: out of him in the off season, when he puts

880
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: pads on, you know, then I think will be in

881
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: a position to see what you could do, which is

882
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: one point. Yeah, there's nothing to say now in shurts

883
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: and shorts for any of the contact positions on the field,

884
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: it's very, very difficult. Before we get to the next call,

885
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: dance Alum are great producer. Throwing up some numbers here

886
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: just to further emphasize Ingram's potential. So he averaged eight

887
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: yards per game during the span in which Beckham missed

888
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: the final four weeks of last season. But on top

889
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: of that, let's take it a step further. Of the

890
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: sixteen games Beckham missed in the past two seasons with

891
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: the Giants, England played in fifteen of them, so that's

892
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: a pretty big sample size without Beckham on the field,

893
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: and Evan Ingram in those games racked up seventy one

894
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: catches or six yards and six touchdowns. So he's produced

895
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: Paul when O. B J has not been on the

896
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: field during the Giants tenures. So you know that's encouraging

897
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: to say, hey, when Odell is not there and Ingram

898
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: now may get a little bit more attention. He's still

899
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: been able to play a key role in the offense

900
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: and he's put up respectable numbers. So can we see

901
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: a continuation in that shortly and in very short steadier

902
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: The three things that Ingram had to improve on from

903
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: the early part of his career was certainly the durability

904
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: uh the catch onto the football catch numbers because he

905
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: had too many drops early, and then quite honestly, his

906
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: blocking did need to get better, and he does give effort.

907
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: That's the one thing about him as a blocker. Not

908
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: still where it needs to be, but he gives effort,

909
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: and I'll and I'll take a guy. I'll deal with

910
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: that as long as he's really trying hard about it,

911
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: because chances are at least get a little bit better

912
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: as continues to put effort into it. Let's head back

913
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: to the lines. We check in with Dave and Cranford. Dave,

914
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: welcome the Big Blue Kickoff Live. What do you have

915
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: for us Lands? And Paul Great to talk to you guys.

916
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: Great wanted to just touch base about the season on

917
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: the schedule a little bit and that I even just

918
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: would like to get you guys comments on You know,

919
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: I think so much of the season is going to

920
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: come down to how we play and how successful we

921
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: are in our own division. And I think in the

922
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: NFC were the only you know, division that had um

923
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: two playoff teams, well I'm sorry, two playoff teams that

924
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: both won their first playoffs. You know, you know how

925
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: crazy is that? Yeah, especially with the Eagles sneaking in

926
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: at the end given all the injuries and issues they had,

927
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: didn't look like it was going to happen that way

928
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: for the longest time, and then suddenly at the end

929
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: of the season, the NFC was smiling. You're you're right, Paul,

930
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: You're right. So what I wanted to get, you know,

931
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: to me, the game so much comes down to match

932
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: and if you think about our struggles with the Cowboys

933
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: and the Eagles, if you think about their defensive game

934
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: plan over the last number of years, it's been pretty

935
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: simple at the end of the day, and it was

936
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: very effective by the way, which was elis a pocket passer,

937
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, and we got to go and just and

938
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: even with O'Dell there and Ingram there and all the

939
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: weapons they have, we're going to focus on disrupting that

940
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: offensive line and by doing that, you know, they struggled

941
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: the way that that we've seen them struggle. I just

942
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: think that they're gonna need I think that matchup issue

943
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: for us where you're gonna see the line being a

944
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: much stronger position, particularly against Dallas, because you need guys

945
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: with experience because they run their pass rushes predominantly Lawrence

946
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: on one end, but it's really a bunch of stunts

947
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: and they really just they do a tremendous amount of

948
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: stunting and on our old line, which I don't only

949
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: want to go back to all those old names. They

950
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: never could handle it, and and I think that a

951
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: ramors and I think that the advancement of the line,

952
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: you're going to be able to handle that. And I

953
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: think as a matchup that's going to change the way

954
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: they play us, because I think if we want to

955
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: be playing meaningful games in December, Paul, the way you

956
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: talk about it, which I agree with, I think we've

957
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: got to figure out a way to split with Dallas

958
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: and split with the Eagles and beat the Redskins twice.

959
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: And if we could go four and two, then I

960
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: think that the team gets into So I'd just like

961
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: to get your guys comments on that. Well. The good

962
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: news is that Pat Sherman, when he took over this

963
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: job last year, being a center of Michigan State when

964
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: he played in college, absolutely understands the true value of

965
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: building from your offensive line out and Dave Gentleman, who

966
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: of course is legendary for his love of hog Molly's,

967
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: also understands that you have to win the trenches on

968
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. And look at what the

969
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: Giants have done. I mean, seriously, they have made sure

970
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: and I know it's not sexied everybody over the course

971
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: of the last two years, but the bottom line is,

972
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, well we lost, you know, getting a Zeidler,

973
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: getting a Ramor's Uh, the development of Hernandez. Yes, they

974
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: paid a lot of money to get Solder in here,

975
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: but it was necessary. Uh. They believe that between Pulley

976
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: and p O they've got themselves a starting center in

977
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: this league. These things are huge. The depth and the

978
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: the youth of guys who could potentially be actually solid

979
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: guys on the depth chart at offensive line is huge.

980
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean, in the last several years, the Giants have

981
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: had trouble fielding five starting functional offensive linemen. Now it

982
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: looks like they've got five and maybe a couple of

983
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: the guys in the depth chart are pretty pretty good too.

984
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: So that's that's immense in terms of the upgrade. And uh,

985
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: you know so I couldn't agree with you more. One

986
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: of the reasons the Giants have failed miserably in the

987
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: NFC East in the last several years is because their

988
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: offensive line has not it up to the task. It's

989
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: just that simple. Well, the Eagles are very good at

990
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: getting pressure on the quarterback because of what Jim Schwartz

991
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: does in rotating personnel. By the way, you know, I

992
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: think one of the things Dave brought up is the

993
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: Cowboys have been still relying on DeMarcus Lawrence and that's

994
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: why they stunt a lot. And I agree with that point. However,

995
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: they did acquire Robert Quinn this offseason, so I think

996
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: now they've got a little bit more balanced and on

997
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: that defensive when guys like Pete Prisco and some of

998
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: the other folks, they were laughing at Robert Quinn because

999
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: he is absolutely shot and has nothing left and and

1000
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: they were like, the Dolphins got rid of him because

1001
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: he's a nothing. I'm not saying that Robert Quinn is

1002
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: the NUMBERT Quinn of five years ago, but if you

1003
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: look at what he's put up, he's still good enough

1004
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: to give you about six s acs. I don't think

1005
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: that's asking for about well. I I think five six

1006
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: sacks for the Cowboys, considering they haven't had a great

1007
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: complimentary guy that DeMarcus Lawrence, I'd take that. I'd sign

1008
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: up for that if I'm a team. As far as

1009
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: the division is concerned, you know, I'm looking up the

1010
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: numbers here just to further solidify what I thought. And

1011
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: the Giants in two thousand sixteen were four and two.

1012
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: It's no coincidence they made the playoffs that year and

1013
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: then prior to that, two thousand eleven was the last

1014
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: year that they had made the playoffs. And the two

1015
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: thousand and eleven I'm looking at what their divisional record was.

1016
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: It was three and three, so they were nine and seven.

1017
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: It was a down year for the division because everybody

1018
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: else was eight and eight and worse. But what my

1019
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: point is, better be at least five in the East. Yeah,

1020
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: and I would say for the Giant's sake, four and

1021
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: two has to be the barometer. You gotta get to

1022
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 1: four and two. If you don't get to four and too,

1023
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: it's nowhere near a guarantee that you're going to make

1024
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: the postseason. Let's head back to the phone lines. We

1025
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: check in with Joseph in l A. Joseph, Welcome to

1026
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: the Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's on your mind? Hey, guys,

1027
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on the show. Sure, thanks for

1028
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: making a call. Well, one thing that's really on my

1029
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: mind is the Giants defense. Well, the Giants pass rush.

1030
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm a big defensive guy. I grew up around that

1031
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: time where it says defense wins championship, and you know,

1032
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: I always love watching guys through the years like straighthand

1033
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: Human Europe Pierre Paul so understood that group right now.

1034
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: And this is where the draft really got me upset

1035
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: was that we had a chance to get either Alan

1036
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: or Sweat and we passed up on both of them.

1037
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: I don't really see. Uh. The one thing that gets

1038
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: me about the defense now is that these pass rushers

1039
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: are fast. They're very fast to get the quarterbacks, and

1040
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm I don't I haven't really caught the highlights of

1041
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 1: what's been going on in the camps, so I don't

1042
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: really see a guy who's really fast right now. But again,

1043
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm too busy to watch him. So um, the defensive

1044
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: line is my biggest concern because I don't see the

1045
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: guy that's really fast as this team right now. Am

1046
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: I overreacting on this or well? I think you're referring

1047
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: more to the pass rushing situation. I think that as

1048
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: opposed to the de fensive line, because they got some

1049
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: big bodies on the defensive line. Dexter, Lawrence B. J. Hill, Dalvin, Tomlinson,

1050
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a concern. Granted, all of them

1051
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have huge sack numbers and track records, but

1052
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: I think you're got to focus more on the Lorenzo Carter's,

1053
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: the Oce zimmenez is, the Marcus Golden's, the Karee Martin's.

1054
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: You know, that group is what you're talking about. And

1055
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: as far as speed is concerned, is a is a

1056
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: speed pass rusher, he certainly has the potential. I think

1057
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: Carter has shown some flashes in that department. Two. I

1058
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't dismiss him from the conversation, but we haven't seen

1059
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: much of anything. You know, both of those guys zimmen

1060
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: As as it played one NFL snap and Carter really

1061
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: came alive in the second half of the season, and

1062
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: he's only got one year under his belt, so it's

1063
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: fair to question that group. I I don't disagree with

1064
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: the takeaway. I mean to sit here and revisit the

1065
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: sixth overall pick, Joseph. I think you know we beat

1066
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: in that like a dead horse, and the bottom line

1067
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: is it was a pick four, not just this year,

1068
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: as a pick for years to come. With Daniel Jones

1069
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: as opposed to thinking about two thousand nineteen. So I

1070
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: think if you understand the logic behind it, you get

1071
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: why they went in that direction. But one guy alone,

1072
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: I will say, this wasn't going to save this defensive

1073
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: front in this pass rush. It's gonna take a group effort.

1074
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: Whether you brought in Josh Allen or you brought in

1075
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: Montest sweat the one guy alone you need in this league.

1076
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: If you look at the Eagles in the division, why

1077
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: is Philadelphia done so well over the last few season.

1078
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: They got like five or six guys that can rush

1079
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback. They don't just have one. You need more

1080
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: than one guy. Yeah, it's really a situation. And I've

1081
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: tried to use this as a gauge in a barometer.

1082
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: You've gotta have about forty two sacks, okay to come

1083
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: up with a a sufficient sack number. And again I understand,

1084
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: I'll say it again with the asterisk once. That never

1085
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: tells the story. Quarterback pressures, quarterback hits can be just

1086
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: as important as sacks. So I don't want to get

1087
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: lost in just one number. But the Giants had thirty

1088
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: sacks last year, and they were tied for second fewers

1089
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: than the NFL Okay, and Joseph, we're gonna let you

1090
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: go because we see it to get some noise in

1091
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: the back, so please continue to just listen. Uh So,

1092
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: forty two to me is the target number you want

1093
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: to get to, which should get you roughly into the

1094
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: top ten of the league. Okay, that's that's right around

1095
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: the number. And you know when you look at the

1096
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: Giants right now, they don't have anywhere near that based

1097
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: on the proven resumes of the guys who are on

1098
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: their ninety man roster. So it is by far the

1099
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: biggest box that is not checked going into training camp,

1100
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: and they're going to have to figure it out. Now.

1101
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: What I will say is this, the model that the

1102
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: Giants used to win those last two Super Bowls is

1103
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: not the model that this team is going to use

1104
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: to try to make the playoffs. That model was based

1105
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: on a tremendous pass rush and a defense that was

1106
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: able to turn the tide of games. This team, because

1107
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: that box is unchecked, is going to rely heavily on

1108
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: controlling the tempo offensively, hitting occasional big plays, and having

1109
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: an outstanding special teams unit, which is exactly how the

1110
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray Cowboys got into the playoffs several years ago,

1111
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: and how the Ezekiel Elliott Cowboys have also had some

1112
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: recent success. It is one of the formulas that you

1113
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: can use to become a playoff team in the NFL,

1114
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 1: specifically one that you have to use when you don't

1115
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: have a stout defense, and the Giants right now do

1116
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: not have a proven stout defense, and specifically when you

1117
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: don't have a proven pass rush. They're going by the

1118
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: book here. This is the way you can make a

1119
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: good meal given the recipes that you have at your disposal.

1120
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: Pound the football, win time of possession, protect the quarterback,

1121
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: put lengthy drives together, keep your defense off the field,

1122
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: and make sure that you can execute a form in

1123
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: a drive when you have a lead late in the

1124
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. And how do you do that? Good offensive line? Yeah,

1125
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Before we head back to the lines.

1126
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: In terms of your point about sacks, Kansas City was

1127
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,959
Speaker 1: tied with the Steelers last year number one at sacks.

1128
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: They had fifty two sacks. So just to give you

1129
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: an idea, well, how did they get fifty two sacks?

1130
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 1: D Ford at thirteen, Chris Jones had fifteen and a half.

1131
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: Justin Houston, had nine, So he had three guys on

1132
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: the team that had at least nine sacks. So you

1133
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: look at the Giants, I don't think that's the expectation.

1134
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: How do you get to forty if you don't have

1135
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: three guys with nine. Well, that's more of a reason

1136
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: why you get one guy with four, you get another

1137
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: guy with five. It needs to be that spread the

1138
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: wealth type of mentality. Can the Giants get there? Well,

1139
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: we'll see. That means that a lot of unproven pass

1140
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: rushers are going to have to have more than just

1141
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: flashes this season. Look based on the resumes of the

1142
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: guys that they have right now, you've got one guy, Golden,

1143
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: who's had double digit sacks at this level before twelve

1144
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: and a half, and that was before he towards a

1145
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: c L. So you know, chances are the numbers not

1146
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: gonna get to the bar that I've already set for them.

1147
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to win using the recipe from the

1148
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: other side of the cookbook that says you can make

1149
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: a successful meal by doing these other things that can

1150
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: work around what you don't have. We always try to

1151
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: work around this. Next caller, since it's the end of

1152
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: the show, it's probably the ideal time to try to

1153
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: squeeze him in. Charlie is in Portland's main Charlie, what's happening?

1154
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: It's such an honor to talk to you too today. Well,

1155
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: the honor is purely all yours. I will tell you that, Charlie. Hey, guys, hey,

1156
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: look Paul in an lance. But Paul, I don't take

1157
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: our pass rush. Is that dire? And let me give

1158
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: you a reason for it? Well, it's unproven, Charlie. It's

1159
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: unproven whether or not it's dire. You and I will

1160
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: see come October, but right now it's unproven. Well, the

1161
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: thing is just like you know, when we talk about

1162
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: the wide receiver group, what do you guys talk about?

1163
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: You know, it's like everybody's going to chip in. Everybody's gonna,

1164
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: you know, get their receptions. There is no one guy

1165
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: who's going to be the star. Are like Odell, They're

1166
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: all gonna help and they're all going to get you know,

1167
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: specific games. One's going to stand out, another game, another

1168
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: one's gonna stand up. I think it's the same way

1169
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: with the pass rushes. We don't need a guy to

1170
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: get fourteen facts. We need four guys to get seven

1171
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: or eight. Yeah, well that's exactly what we were talking about. Yeah,

1172
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: that'd be nice. Do you do you know who those

1173
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: guys are right now? Who are going to get seven

1174
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: or eight apiece? Are you sure? I mean, I'd say

1175
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: I would stay. Let's see, um ye give us that

1176
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: we had that that got five last year. Je hold on,

1177
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: hold on, okay, b J. Hill is gonna give you seven.

1178
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: Let's provide some context here, Charlie, B J. Hill had

1179
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: five sacks. Do you know that three of them came

1180
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: in one game? That's all right, Okay, I don't care.

1181
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 1: I mean when they come, as long as they come.

1182
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: So no, Actually, it does make a difference, Charlie, to

1183
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: be perfectly, to be perfectly, frank, you're better off if

1184
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: it's one sack in seven different games than having three

1185
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: in one game and then or other games. That is

1186
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: true too. That is true too. That is true too.

1187
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: That's why this game is the ultimate game of context,

1188
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 1: all right. And the other thing is in Lawrence, he's

1189
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: going to have at least three or four, and then

1190
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna he's trying to get He's not gonna get fourteen,

1191
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: but I bet he gets eight or nine and X

1192
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: man is going to get five. I mean, they're just

1193
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: gonna and then you're gonna send the safety and you're

1194
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: gonna send the cornerbacks and you know, you know what

1195
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So you're gonna you're gonna get Okay, Charlie,

1196
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: just be careful of one thing. Please. The more you

1197
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: send dbs on safety and corner blitz is the more

1198
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: risk you're taking on the back end with what is

1199
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: right now a young and inexperienced secondary. Although I do

1200
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: know that Jenkins has some some years under his belt

1201
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: and obviously but theet does as well. But even Peppers

1202
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: is on the young side. So the more risk you

1203
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: expose those guys to by sending them on a pressure package,

1204
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: the more chances that the other team is going to

1205
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: come up with a big play, risky business. That's that's

1206
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: the possibility. But if you send Pepper's and you got Baker,

1207
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 1: who's the undertaker and he's the player that we think

1208
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: he is, you know we're gonna be okay on the corners.

1209
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: We haven't had that before Ertaker. Okay, I hear, yeah,

1210
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: that's maybe I'll mention that that DeAndre if he shuts

1211
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: a couple of people down early in the season. We'll

1212
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: start tolling calling him the undertake. Paul Barra could be

1213
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: as manager too. And the other thing is, I'm more

1214
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: worried about stopping the run because we weren't able to

1215
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: do that once Harrison left, we weren't really able to stop.

1216
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: In fairness, Charlie, I'll let you continue. But the one

1217
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: thing I don't like about that narrative. In fairness, even

1218
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: when Harrison was here last season, the Giants were struggling

1219
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: to stop the run. Okay, let's be fair, they struggled

1220
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: throughout the season. I don't like him when people say

1221
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: when Harrison left, all of a sudden the struggles appeared.

1222
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: I'll go back. We could look at the early games.

1223
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: They were having a hard time stop in the run

1224
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: in those games as well, and Harrison was on the team.

1225
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: I do think though, that that Lawrence coming in and

1226
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: then getting Tomlinson more into his comfort zone will be

1227
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: a better situation for them up the middle. I really do. Yeah,

1228
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: I don't worried about our linebackers because we don't have

1229
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: anybody to back up Ogletree or Goods. You know, we

1230
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: have subpar and we have Thai food back there and

1231
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: we really need a veteran back there, so you know,

1232
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm hoping they're gonna pick somebody up. So that's where

1233
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: I take our big weaknesses is a little linackers, did

1234
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: you wait a minute? Hold on? Did you just call?

1235
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: I want to know. I gotta get clarification. Was that

1236
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: a pun that you discovered and just made up on

1237
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: the fly? Because it's Nate stupor and he called him subpar?

1238
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: Did not? Did I one Davis to? Yeah? Okay, I

1239
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: didn't know whether that was something on the fly or

1240
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: he had that. Okay, I know him well enough. Well,

1241
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: I wanted clarification. Charlie's pulling these things out of his pocket?

1242
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: Will I mean, it's it's remarkable, It's truly. Don't forget

1243
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: the lip, you know, Charlie. Hey, look, look, I understand.

1244
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from. It's optimistic to feel

1245
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: as you do about some of these things and pessimistic

1246
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: about others, which is why we need to see a

1247
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: whole lot more come against these preseason games. Charlie gonna

1248
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: be big. You better be watching. I'll be watching, okay,

1249
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: all right, Charlie. Appreciating phone call. Charlie went through one

1250
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: phone call to bring up the offensive line. Maybe pigs

1251
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: are flying today real quickly before we wrap up shops.

1252
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: He he was making the comparison that we were talking

1253
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: about upside potential with the receiving corps and he's looking

1254
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: at the pass rush the same way, which is fine. Listen,

1255
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: it's time to be optimistic. Where I'll say that I

1256
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: think there is a slight differentiation, Paul, and I'm curious

1257
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,959
Speaker 1: your thoughts. Okay, Sterling Shepherd, I've seen on the field

1258
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: for a few seasons, so i know what he's capable

1259
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: of doing. I'm not saying that he's gonna it up

1260
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: monster numbers, but I've seen it with my own two eyes.

1261
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: Golden Tate, I've seen with my own two eyes what

1262
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: he can do. Corey Coleman, small sample size. I've seen

1263
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: with my own two eyes what he's capable of doing

1264
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: when he's healthy. I've seen what Russell Shephard can do.

1265
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: I've also seen what Cody Lattimer can do. Okay, we're

1266
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: talking about a few seasons in the league, some actual

1267
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: stats on paper and running of routes on the football field.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the guys in this pass rush department, Paul,

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Speaker 1: you could say there's potential, but hasn't been much sight

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Speaker 1: o shan zimanez Okay not one NFL snap Dexter Lawrence

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Speaker 1: once again, potential not thin. But I'm just using specific

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Speaker 1: players to further break this down. So I think there

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Speaker 1: is a slight difference when we talk about potential and

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Speaker 1: upside with the receiving corps versus the past, I would

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Speaker 1: agree with. I think there's some difference. The one tweet

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Speaker 1: I have to get to before A. J. Marshall says

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Speaker 1: factor fiction. While the Giants surpassed their win total of

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Speaker 1: five from last season, I would say that's a huge fact.

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Speaker 1: I would be very surprised if they don't win more

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Speaker 1: than five games. Well, very surprised, shocked once again a lot.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna learn from this team in the

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Speaker 1: first half of the season, and if they can keep

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Speaker 1: their head above water, then I don't even think it's

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Speaker 1: a question about that number five. But the early stage

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Speaker 1: of this season, especially with who they're going up against,

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Speaker 1: some of these new teams with new coaches and also

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Speaker 1: the divisional foes, you gotta be able to get off

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Speaker 1: to a good start. The last thing you want to

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Speaker 1: do and Unfortunately the Giants have about to do. This

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Speaker 1: is trying to dig themselves out of that early hole.

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Speaker 1: If they get off to a start where they keep

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Speaker 1: their head above water, I think that's gonna say a

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Speaker 1: lot about the outlook for the second half of the season.

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Speaker 1: That is gonna wrap up the latest edition a Big

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Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live presented by Cora's Light. He has pulled

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Speaker 1: a Tino on Lance Mano. Appreciate everybody tuning in. We'll

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Speaker 1: try to address some tweets that we did not get

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Speaker 1: to off the air. Tomorrow, we are going to break

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Speaker 1: down the Chicago Bears as we continue to look ahead

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Speaker 1: to the two thousand nineteen opponents. Stay tuned for Giants

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Speaker 1: dot Com for all the latest, and we'll speak to

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow on Big Blue kick Offlines. Have a go

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