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Speaker 1: Please them introduce my co host, Josh jaw Song.
Speaker 2: Hey, how's everybody doing?
Speaker 1: Mat y'all? Show you what you do? Uh?
Speaker 2: So, I'm also a comic. I do stand up, also
Speaker 2: write at the Daily Show, and I'm also online on
Speaker 2: the internet. You can find me on the Things That
Speaker 2: Josh Johnson Comedy.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about today's subject.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Today's subject is movies versus TV series? And Joshua, where
Speaker 1: do you fall on this movie's versus TV series?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm movies all day, all right, I'm movies
Speaker 2: on a plane, I'm movies in bed, I'm movies, you know,
Speaker 2: all all like, even sometimes when i know I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna be able to finish it, I still will turn
Speaker 2: on a movie before I get into a show.
Speaker 1: I'm obviously TV shows mm hmm. And I think I
Speaker 1: like TV shows because I think because I'm a trained actor,
Speaker 1: which a lot of people john't know. Also, Josh is
Speaker 1: also trained in the theater arts as well, not so
Speaker 1: much performance, but.
Speaker 2: Like no, not performance at all. It's actually just lighting.
Speaker 1: It's it's not like it's very hard though, Like I've
Speaker 1: tried to read, I don't like to read a lighting plot.
Speaker 1: I can hang likes, I cut gels and learn of jels,
Speaker 1: go goos, the whole nine, but I don't know how
Speaker 1: to like program a lifeboard.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, no, I'm with you. Yeah, it can be difficult.
Speaker 2: Acting to me is still wow, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's hard, no matter what people said. So I think
Speaker 1: for me because I am a trained a tour and
Speaker 1: people are gonna say, oh, don't you mean actress? No,
Speaker 1: I don't just for like people will say, like with comedians,
Speaker 1: oh don't you mean comedian? Bitch? If I met comedian,
Speaker 1: I would say comedian, I'm a comic. I like a
Speaker 1: TV series because, like I said, as an actor, I
Speaker 1: want to see more of the character. Right, So, because
Speaker 1: of the movie, you establish your character and then the
Speaker 1: movie is over. So unless they do a sequel to
Speaker 1: this movie, all of the information that you have about
Speaker 1: these people, all of the storylines that you can have
Speaker 1: happening at one movie and it's done. Like I love
Speaker 1: the movie Karina Karina, right from the favorite movies, But
Speaker 1: we don't know what happened when E Live Girl grows up.
Speaker 1: We don't want to happen if do what we go
Speaker 1: Burgarelio's character get married, howlda you find out? No, no
Speaker 1: further information about them, because once a movie is over, girl,
Speaker 1: it is over. But it's not like these you know,
Speaker 1: Marvel movies where they got one hundred and sixty three
Speaker 1: of them that come out, and any superhero that ever
Speaker 1: breaks the pages of a comic book is going to
Speaker 1: be thrown in an outfit. Put on this a TV?
Speaker 1: This what this? What like three hundred and eighty seven
Speaker 1: Marvel movie?
Speaker 2: Okay, this is no, no, no, I know, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. There will be three hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: seven one day. We're not there yet, right fifty six? Yeah.
Speaker 2: But my thing is when you when you talk about
Speaker 2: that specific aspect of why you think TV shows are better,
Speaker 2: I actually think that that's what ruins things for me
Speaker 2: when I watch TV is because you run a show
Speaker 2: so long that eventually a character does something that's low
Speaker 2: key out of character. So now you're like, why would
Speaker 2: why would they even do that? They spent four seasons
Speaker 2: being this, this, this way, and then they just switch
Speaker 2: it up and now they're just a whole different person,
Speaker 2: you know, whereas with the movie, we know who they
Speaker 2: are and then it's over.
Speaker 1: This is one of those situations where I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to convince you that TV is better. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: say that I like a TV. Say, okay, I think
Speaker 1: a good compromise for you would be a like a
Speaker 1: Spanish novella, like a telenovella, or a Korean drama. So
Speaker 1: like a lot of Korean dramas. On My Wife, it's
Speaker 1: about sixteen to maybe forty episodes, and then the show
Speaker 1: is over. Now, if it's a super super popular series,
Speaker 1: they could bring it back, like the Boys of a
Speaker 1: Flower series. It brought those back sometimes, but for the
Speaker 1: most part, once the show is over, the show is
Speaker 1: over and it never comes back again. So maybe if
Speaker 1: you're looking into like wanting that movie feel of there's
Speaker 1: the story, this part of these people's story end, then
Speaker 1: I think that like the Korean drama or the tot
Speaker 1: novella would be the where to go because with the
Speaker 1: TV series there's plenty of There is a show called
Speaker 1: My Kind of People. I've been watching on Hulu. It
Speaker 1: was a Fox show. It's like these black people that
Speaker 1: live in like the Hantons or something, very old black money.
Speaker 1: This girls trying to get it and the first season
Speaker 1: ended with a cliffhanger.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what's coming back. You've never watched
Speaker 1: a movie and been like, I wonder if this movie's
Speaker 1: coming back.
Speaker 2: I assume every movie is just one episode long, you know.
Speaker 2: And also the thing for me that makes movies, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, superior is that TV.
Speaker 1: I just told you I'm not trying to make this
Speaker 1: cop of tition, and you keep trying to make this
Speaker 1: a Is that what this whole podcast is me trying
Speaker 1: to keep the peace. You out here going for violence?
Speaker 2: It's it's some of it. It's it's definitely gonna be
Speaker 2: an aspect.
Speaker 1: Wow, because I think most of the time you think
Speaker 1: that I'm no one going for violence, when in this particular, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think, what do you mean? If you have to
Speaker 2: say what you mean? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Don't do that because you know absolutely
Speaker 1: fucking right that the.
Speaker 2: Two things with movies that you don't get with TV
Speaker 2: shows is that, first of all, a movie can have
Speaker 2: a premise that you can't make a show out of. Example,
Speaker 2: I think that their movie there's a movie called Coffeetown
Speaker 2: that f I'm very funny, that I enjoy very much,
Speaker 2: and it's just a movie about a guy who goes
Speaker 2: to the same coffee shop to work every day and
Speaker 2: the little hierarchy he has a little like ecosystem in there,
Speaker 2: and then they're gonna shut down his coffee shop, so
Speaker 2: he tries to save it. You can't make a whole
Speaker 2: show about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't every episode and he's doing something different,
Speaker 1: trying to stay at the curth shot.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you got to save the coffee shop
Speaker 2: and that made different ways across seasons, it should be closed.
Speaker 2: But if it's just a film where it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: we're thinking about, you know, maybe selling this coffee shop,
Speaker 2: building something that was like, no, I love this coffee shop.
Speaker 2: Maybe this corporate environment will disappear. If I can heighten
Speaker 2: the crime rate around this coffee shop, they won't want
Speaker 2: to buy here. You know, and now it's just that
Speaker 2: one idea neighbor, right, and so then that that that's
Speaker 2: one reason. And then the second reason is that no
Speaker 2: one can cancel your movie in the middle of the
Speaker 2: movie once the movie exists.
Speaker 1: That's not true.
Speaker 2: That's what happens with TV shows all the time. So
Speaker 2: you're telling me you've watched a movie on a plane
Speaker 2: that was done. Yeah, the movie doesn't stop in the middle.
Speaker 2: They made the movie. They don't always make the movie.
Speaker 2: I understand things that lose funding, but I'm talking about
Speaker 2: once they put it out there is out there with
Speaker 2: the whole story. You don't have to hope and wait
Speaker 2: and pray that you're favorite movie gets renewed every six months.
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. So you don't like the heartache,
Speaker 1: because like I've watched shows where it's like like Yasha
Speaker 1: Leicster was on this show about like going back through
Speaker 1: time and mid season the show got canceled. And then
Speaker 1: there was a show that Shonda Rhymes had that she
Speaker 1: was where it was it called star Crossed. So it
Speaker 1: was like basically what happens to the Capulets and the
Speaker 1: Montagueth after Romeo and Juliet Die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think they.
Speaker 1: Show got canceled because they open casted. Their open casting
Speaker 1: was so open you couldn't even keep track of who
Speaker 1: the families were. Yeah, because people would just start because
Speaker 1: like Shakespeare, people just start talking mm hmmm. So then
Speaker 1: it's like, well, who the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: Would it would be great to go to a play
Speaker 2: with you and you've never seen the play before, right,
Speaker 2: but it's done it Shakespeare's style, so that someone just
Speaker 2: walks on from the opposite stage side. You know, we've
Speaker 2: been looking at stage left this whole time. Somebody enter
Speaker 2: stage right and just starts a conversation, and then you're
Speaker 2: in the audience just going, now, who the.
Speaker 1: Hell what listen? I have seen plenty of Shakespeare plays.
Speaker 1: I've built sets for Shakespeare plays. But I think you
Speaker 1: realize like when you're but like anytime you're watching any show, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a character pops up and someone has to introduce the character.
Speaker 2: What really bothers me in a TV show or movie is,
Speaker 2: like you said, you've put it perfectly, when a character enters,
Speaker 2: you have to address that character, You have to tell
Speaker 2: us who they are. But it actually bothers me in
Speaker 2: my bones when the writing is so bad that they
Speaker 2: just say all that just exposition. So somebody will walk
Speaker 2: in and they'll be like, Odysseus keg of Ethica, what
Speaker 2: are you up to today?
Speaker 1: So sometimes Shakespeare would introduce characters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's it's the one a Shakespeare brilliant poetry,
Speaker 2: sonnics whatever, that thing. That thing made me want to
Speaker 2: throw my book at English class. I'm like, who, cause
Speaker 2: who talks like that? You? You made us suspend disbelief
Speaker 2: for this entire scene and then you ruin it because
Speaker 2: at the edge you're like, oh, hello, mother, who were
Speaker 2: now meeting an act two C three?
Speaker 1: But it's like you're a watch a show and like
Speaker 1: even in a movie, like somebody are walking You're like, fuck,
Speaker 1: is this? Like? I just wish that somebody would write
Speaker 1: a TV show or a movie that made it easier
Speaker 1: to watch with your parents.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, because.
Speaker 1: If you're watching a TV show or a movie, who
Speaker 1: is that mama? Kind of watching this movie? As long
Speaker 1: as you've been watching this movie, I don't know who
Speaker 1: he is either.
Speaker 2: I think we're about to find out.
Speaker 1: We're about to find out. Well, I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: make sure I know what's going on, Mama, you know
Speaker 1: as much I have as much information as you have.
Speaker 1: I don't know who the fuck this man is. Just
Speaker 1: got here. Let's see, she will pause up to so fact,
Speaker 1: Well tell me who that is. He's the one that
Speaker 1: just got here? Well who is he? We think he
Speaker 1: might be this person, but we find you way to
Speaker 1: be this person. Unpaused TV to find out who he is.
Speaker 2: Now, I'll even throw this out there so you know
Speaker 2: my situation. I was raised with my mom, my aunt,
Speaker 2: my grandma, and my granddad. Because my granddad and I
Speaker 2: were out numbered, the TV was always under the control
Speaker 2: of the rest, you know it just so we watch
Speaker 2: a lot of Lifetime Movie Network, and we watched a
Speaker 2: lot of what was the other one? A lot of Oxygen,
Speaker 2: a little bit of we and then some TV won.
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm not saying I never got control of
Speaker 2: the TV. I got to watch my cartoons and stuff.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, for like Primetime hours, Hey, would you.
Speaker 1: Like everybody else? Why Martin like everybody else?
Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm completely with you. All I'm saying is
Speaker 2: but when those weren't on, When those weren't on, it
Speaker 2: was Lifetime Movie Network and I think that some of
Speaker 2: that is what sparked some of my love for movies
Speaker 2: because then there because the movie would sometimes be poorly written,
Speaker 2: there was no there there were no extra questions to ask,
Speaker 2: so you just had to accept it gave you everything.
Speaker 2: And then and then my thing was there was this
Speaker 2: one movie. I wish I could remember it, but I
Speaker 2: was a teenager and everybody. When I tell you, everybody
Speaker 2: in the movie look alike, it's like it's like they
Speaker 2: were casting the lead and they just loved everybody so
Speaker 2: much they were like, put him in the movie too,
Speaker 2: give him apart put him in the movie as well,
Speaker 2: because every dude looked like the lead. And I would say.
Speaker 1: He was an average sized, average build and had dark.
Speaker 2: Hair mm hmm, and a little bit of stubble, a
Speaker 2: little bit, just a little.
Speaker 1: Bit to let you know that he enjoys the outdoors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: might build some furniture by hand, but he has a
Speaker 1: good job.
Speaker 2: He can handle a splinter. He is gonna be all right.
Speaker 1: But what he could also do is listen mm hmmm,
Speaker 1: because your last boyfriend from the city. Lifetime movies are
Speaker 1: amazing because it's always someone leaving the big city.
Speaker 2: YEP.
Speaker 1: Yep, and coming back.
Speaker 2: Home at a Hallmark because we had no help. There's
Speaker 2: five of us watching right, and all of us, everybody
Speaker 2: in the house is like, why she kissing him? I
Speaker 2: thought that he was No, No, that one is her husband?
Speaker 2: Is it? Are you sure? And and the movie is
Speaker 2: a regular style movie, so there's characters that other characters
Speaker 2: are diametrically opposed to, so there'll be characters argue it.
Speaker 2: And it looked like he yelling at a mirror.
Speaker 1: He's just yelling at himself in his workshop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and both got on. Uh was it plaid shirts y?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and jeans and a boot.
Speaker 2: Everybody looked like the bounty man.
Speaker 1: Everybody looks like the bounty man. And all of the
Speaker 1: girls are in some type of cardigan situation, a simile.
Speaker 1: They're always wearing it, they're always cold. All these Lifetime
Speaker 1: movies are set in the fall. I've never seen a
Speaker 1: Lifetime movie in summertime. Everybody has too much clothes on.
Speaker 1: The too much clothes on. She's probably blonde, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And then there's another blonde.
Speaker 2: And everybody drink out of a mug with both hands.
Speaker 2: You've never seen anything like it. Everybody, no matter who
Speaker 2: it is they all just cupping healthy. How do you have?
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna have a bachelorette party, but I just
Speaker 1: wanted to do something more intimate. And it's five white
Speaker 1: woman under one giant blanket, all watching their own movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a version of the movie that they're in, drinking hot.
Speaker 1: Poker because the last time she drink she got too.
Speaker 2: Wild, and wild means drove through a Wendy's drive through
Speaker 2: like just.
Speaker 1: Yes, like oh my god, Like those movies are not.
Speaker 1: But it's like, I think this is why people are like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we have to make sure that we cater to like
Speaker 1: Middle America. And I don't think that people understand that
Speaker 1: Middle America is all of America. You don't think that
Speaker 1: there's people in New York. Do you think people in
Speaker 1: There's not a woman in LA watching a fucking Lifetime
Speaker 1: movie holding both of her hands on a mug. You
Speaker 1: don't think that's happened.
Speaker 2: On a mug that says you already know it live laugh.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 2: I think that when it comes to Lifetime shows, they
Speaker 2: have a little bit more of a of a replay
Speaker 2: value as shows. You know, when I look at WE,
Speaker 2: when I look at Oxygen, Bridezilla's How could you not?
Speaker 2: I would watch Bridezillas with my mom. We didn't even
Speaker 2: know what binging was in two thousand and two, and
Speaker 2: my mom and I were watching Bridezilla NonStop because you.
Speaker 1: Know, there's reality TV shows. We all need. There's reality
Speaker 1: TV shows, and it's MTV's fault. But well, actually the
Speaker 1: first reality show I think was Cops.
Speaker 2: I think it was Cops, but the one that really
Speaker 2: took off was Survivor.
Speaker 1: Was Survivor before Real World?
Speaker 2: I think it was at the same time frame, but
Speaker 2: I think Survivor was slightly before Real World.
Speaker 1: I remember watching Big Brother House and being like, what
Speaker 1: after the second season, I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Doing this makes no sense? I remember, I do know
Speaker 1: what comic it is. Who has a joke about the
Speaker 1: show Naked and Afraid? He was like, I was watching
Speaker 1: that show Naked and Afraid myself. Why are they naked?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're afraid could naked.
Speaker 1: But why are they naked?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Also, you know they don't win anything.
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: Okay? Soff okay, I know, I know we're going Tangent
Speaker 2: after Tangent, but this is important that you know. It
Speaker 2: is important that you know that show. Yeah, they don't
Speaker 2: win like Survivor and all these other shows win money. Right,
Speaker 2: Survivor they win money.
Speaker 1: They wont one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Naked and afraid. No, No, Survivor, they'll win. I think
Speaker 2: they win a million.
Speaker 1: Now, oh sidebar. You know if you win anything on television,
Speaker 1: you have to pay the taxes on it.
Speaker 2: Hard, Yes, yes, you have to pay every tax.
Speaker 1: And that's how open go there. The cars people got
Speaker 1: mad because they were like, you gave me a car.
Speaker 1: No one told me they're gonna have to pay the
Speaker 1: taxes on this, bitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah you also, yeah, if you just wouldn't have aired
Speaker 2: given me the car, if you if you had come
Speaker 2: back from commercial and been like everyone in this audience
Speaker 2: is very happy, aren't they? Everybody just nodding, that would
Speaker 2: have been a very different situation. But but with Oprah
Speaker 2: points to you and says you have a car. Look,
Speaker 2: the IRS is also like, yes, he has a car.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure there's some one person job
Speaker 1: at the IRS just to watch game shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because people don't like if you like you know,
Speaker 1: when you have like the showcase showdown on the crisis.
Speaker 2: Right, I didn't think about that, all of.
Speaker 1: Those vacations, the jet skis that living room set, all
Speaker 1: of those like applying anything, living room set, appliance's trips,
Speaker 1: boats ATVs, fucking gear supply to Tide. You have to
Speaker 1: pay the taxes on that.
Speaker 2: That's wild.
Speaker 1: You buy a bunch of furniture that probably won't fit
Speaker 1: in your house. Yeah, you got seven thousand dollars with furniture,
Speaker 1: and they have to pay a tax on seven thousand
Speaker 1: dollars exports? Is it California taxes? Is that the taxes
Speaker 1: at your house? Because if I came from across the country,
Speaker 1: play the prices right, and I live in Gary, Indiana?
Speaker 1: Who is shipping this living room set to Gary Indiana?
Speaker 1: Me or CBS?
Speaker 2: No? I think I think they have to or else
Speaker 2: you didn't win anything. I think the network paying for
Speaker 2: you to get the thing has to send it to you,
Speaker 2: or else you've won nothing, you hope.
Speaker 1: Because I think open gaming of cars out then people
Speaker 1: were like, keep it, keep it. I'm gonna paying tax
Speaker 1: fucking keep it. But this is your car. I just
Speaker 1: signed ship. I came for free tickets to a TV
Speaker 1: show of taper. You gave me a car and I
Speaker 1: bought this car. You gave me this car.
Speaker 2: Muck this car. I thought she bought two hundred cars
Speaker 2: and they just had pay the taxes on which is
Speaker 2: why they were upset, right because.
Speaker 1: I think somebody was just like, why didn't she just
Speaker 1: pay the taxes? And it's like, well, it's not her car.
Speaker 1: I think she should have paid the tax.
Speaker 2: Also, it doesn't. It doesn't have the same ring to it.
Speaker 2: It's like you get a card of year's worth of taxes.
Speaker 2: You get a card of years. What's the thing I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say.
Speaker 1: They haven't come up with any reality show like reality
Speaker 1: movies other than like Jackass.
Speaker 2: Oh that's that's fair. I think Jackass is the only one.
Speaker 1: Right. We're doing so much dumb shit. Why fit it
Speaker 1: into a season? Just give us two solid hours of
Speaker 1: your life to see how many times we can hit
Speaker 1: each other in the testa.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's more than that, though, it really
Speaker 2: is more. It's about friendship, and it's about skateboarding off roofs,
Speaker 2: and it's about getting punched by professional people that punch.
Speaker 1: Okay, I did not know that you were a Johnny
Speaker 1: Knoxville fan.
Speaker 2: I'm not even saying I'm a huge fan of the series.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I see more in it than just.
Speaker 1: Shots into the ball I didn't know you were a
Speaker 1: jack ass.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're putting that on me right now.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, so you're a jackets, is what you say.
Speaker 2: I've said nothing of the sort. I am saying right
Speaker 2: now that there's more to that series Slash movies, Okay
Speaker 2: than you know, than just the ball shots. There's also
Speaker 2: farting and yoga studios, mid lesson, you know, there's there's
Speaker 2: just there's layers. Okay, they you should just be respectful
Speaker 2: of what they've built.
Speaker 1: You couldn't even say it, you couldn't even finish it.
Speaker 1: But also it's like some stuff shouldn't be a movie.
Speaker 1: Mm hm, Like they're trying to have a captive planet
Speaker 1: live action movie.
Speaker 2: No, no, definitely not a sincere one. The don Cheetle
Speaker 2: Captain Planet is one of the greatest captain planets of all.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's hilarious.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of movies that translate to shows,
Speaker 2: which in my opinion, just bolsters my point because it's
Speaker 2: like this, this movie is so good that we want
Speaker 2: to see more of it, and so I think that
Speaker 2: sometimes when you have a TV show and they do
Speaker 2: a movie version of it, it's like lackluster. It's just
Speaker 2: like it's fine.
Speaker 1: I think it could go both ways, cause it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Buffy the Vampire Slayer the movie not that great, Okay,
Speaker 1: the TV show fucking amazing, all right, And then like
Speaker 1: the Star Trek movies are supplements to the TV series
Speaker 1: where like you can get people to live Like one
Speaker 1: of the Star Trek movies, you actually have like Picard
Speaker 1: Meat Kirk and they actually live like one hundred yu apart,
Speaker 1: so there's a rift in time and they get to
Speaker 1: meet each other and all of that. So you can
Speaker 1: see like your favorite like because it's just science.
Speaker 2: Fiction to my knowledge, and you know, listeners can write
Speaker 2: in if I'm wrong or whatever. I'm sure they'll let
Speaker 2: me know. I feel like, no, it's just it's it's
Speaker 2: it's funny because like it's not it's not in a
Speaker 2: bad way, like I'm not upset or anything, but I
Speaker 2: truly have catcha hell for that Tomato Soup episode, like.
Speaker 1: Just stay home. Are people dming you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? People are people are d yeah? Uh wow.
Speaker 1: So you were trying to make sure you couldn't lose,
Speaker 1: and you said something so wild people have saved the
Speaker 1: time on their day. Yeah, Josh shua Is Zegil Johnson.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, you're wild as hell.
Speaker 2: Bro TV has the advantage as well, along with Reality
Speaker 2: TV of having a game show because there aren't really
Speaker 2: game show movies.
Speaker 1: You know, well, they tried to do that with those
Speaker 1: choodsre A on adventure movies. Remember Netflix is trying to
Speaker 1: do that shit. And but this is the thing about
Speaker 1: those childre are on adventure movies. The ending is already Tom,
Speaker 1: you have two different endings, but they're still determined. So
Speaker 1: you're trying those choodre on a venture movies and if
Speaker 1: you've played a choice that it didn't have because the
Speaker 1: thing is the choices can't be infinite. You can't film
Speaker 1: for every yeah thing. So eventually you get to a
Speaker 1: point and be like, yeah, you got have to make
Speaker 1: a different choice, Like, no, bitch, this one of my choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just making me.
Speaker 1: Choose to make those choose your own adventure books, the
Speaker 1: book would be looking a thousand pages as opposed to
Speaker 1: the Hydred because I'm on a fifth grow lad level.
Speaker 1: What the fun?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I understand what you're saying. I just feel
Speaker 2: like those are those are two obvious advantages. But I
Speaker 2: think that to your point about there sometimes need to
Speaker 2: be more creativity for a TV show, I think that
Speaker 2: that's what creates the marginal.
Speaker 1: I didn't say there need to be more creativity for
Speaker 1: a TV show. I was saying that because movies are finite.
Speaker 1: Because movies the story has a beginning, middle, and an end.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, you only have to be as creat you
Speaker 1: only have to be creative enough to tell this story.
Speaker 2: I see. I see.
Speaker 1: It's like there's a show that I like. It's a
Speaker 1: Canadian TV show called The Murdoch Mysteries. The show has
Speaker 1: been on it just they just had their fifteenth season
Speaker 1: and they're our long shows. So for you to be
Speaker 1: able to maintain to keep the audience interested for this long,
Speaker 1: you have to be able to create more content, create
Speaker 1: more characters. Is this character going to die off? This
Speaker 1: character when to come back? Is this character on Nemesis?
Speaker 1: And at some point somebody is to fall in love
Speaker 1: as a fucking kid. That's what I'm saying. It requires
Speaker 1: more creativity to do a TV show because you have
Speaker 1: to pre creating more content because America doesn't do shows.
Speaker 1: You show doesn't get canceled. You just have to cheap
Speaker 1: making more show.
Speaker 2: And that thing, that thing specifically is one of the reasons.
Speaker 2: I think movies edge it out too, because the Brits
Speaker 2: Korean dramas Novella's I think they do it right.
Speaker 1: They give I'm gonna do it right now. The Bristol
Speaker 1: would have work looser. You gave me four episodes in
Speaker 1: a season. There's this Australian show on the show from
Speaker 1: New Zealand called Broken Wood Mystery, only six episodes in
Speaker 1: the season, going to.
Speaker 2: Work No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: I think it's how do you make any money? They
Speaker 1: must pay them so much money to do those episodes,
Speaker 1: because I don't think I don't think they do either.
Speaker 2: I think that I think that's why they come come
Speaker 2: here and they do movies and TV here. I think
Speaker 2: that they give you just enough that you always want more,
Speaker 2: all right. I think that they even if even if
Speaker 2: it makes you upset, even and if you can't stand
Speaker 2: the fact that they stop at three or four or
Speaker 2: six episodes, you still are like, ooh, that's a good show.
Speaker 2: I wish they did more. They don't do it often enough,
Speaker 2: and when they do it, they don't give us enough,
Speaker 2: you know. And so I'm saying that the way the audience, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm saying the way that they do that is perfect.
Speaker 2: I think American TV does this thing for me where
Speaker 2: let's say there's a movie of something and there's a
Speaker 2: TV show of something. Right, the TV show may very
Speaker 2: well be better than the movie. But I think on
Speaker 2: a long enough timeline, the quality which almost always happens,
Speaker 2: which is why anytime it doesn't happen, we call that
Speaker 2: show the greatest show ever made. The quality over years
Speaker 2: tends to decline, or characters start repeating stories, or like
Speaker 2: everything either becomes the same or the way that changes
Speaker 2: people don't like. I think that on a long enough timeline,
Speaker 2: the show falling apart then makes the movie better because
Speaker 2: you have to look at each thing as a body
Speaker 2: of work. And so when I see the body of
Speaker 2: work of a TV show that ran too long versus
Speaker 2: the body of work of maybe a movie about that
Speaker 2: same thing, I think that the show definitely has the
Speaker 2: opportunity to be greater than the movie. But if the
Speaker 2: show goes on for too long, the movie edges it out.
Speaker 2: Because we can't stop. We can't act like all the
Speaker 2: seasons of a show didn't happen, and so if the
Speaker 2: later seasons of that show ruined the show, then the
Speaker 2: show is ruined. That's why people get upset.
Speaker 1: So what's an example of a TV show that went
Speaker 1: on for too long?
Speaker 2: I won't say it went on for too long, and
Speaker 2: I haven't watched all of it, so then I'm maybe
Speaker 2: people are gonna tell me I'm wrong, but I think
Speaker 2: that clearly almost everyone I've ever talked to that watched
Speaker 2: the show is upset with the way that they ended
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones, right, Yeah, And if you're this mad
Speaker 2: about the way they ended Game of Thrones, it makes
Speaker 2: a new person who's not involved want to start Game
Speaker 2: of Thrones because you're telling me I'm a fall in
Speaker 2: love with something that everyone agrees they ruined.
Speaker 1: Oh like the TV show Lost, Like I never saw Lost,
Speaker 1: and how angry people were about the ending of Loss.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not I'm seeing it. I think
Speaker 1: I saw it like I don't know, like a Hulu
Speaker 1: or maybe nothing. There was somewhere I could like binge
Speaker 1: all of it. Yeah, And I was like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not watching this fucking show. Everybody's so bad about how
Speaker 1: I ended it. There's a difference between the show ending
Speaker 1: and a show getting canceled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true when your.
Speaker 1: Show get I don't feel like people who show got
Speaker 1: canceled in their shows in a different way than people
Speaker 1: who show, Like if you're shown gets canceled, Like listen,
Speaker 1: you're starting to shoot like the sixth season of your show,
Speaker 1: and you're like, listen, this is your lack you're getting.
Speaker 1: You're not getting in seventh season. You're getting canceled. You're
Speaker 1: getting canceled. I'm not getting in a seventh season. Right.
Speaker 1: If you don't know it's coming, I think you end
Speaker 1: your show in a different way as opposed to like
Speaker 1: people who work on the show going we've decided that
Speaker 1: the sixth season is our last season.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It feels like those shows that get like canceled like that,
Speaker 1: it's almost like a fuck you to the Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: been like a fuck you to the audience, or it
Speaker 1: was like, but be nice to us, like we watched
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think that so much of the industry
Speaker 2: is just circling around money that people don't think about
Speaker 2: the fact that even if you are going to end
Speaker 2: something prematurely, give people time to let it end well,
Speaker 2: because you never know this. This might be like TikTok
Speaker 2: is teaching us right now that things that we cast
Speaker 2: away a long time ago, that we thought were old
Speaker 2: and washed up can have a resurgence. They can have
Speaker 2: a resurrection, you know what I mean, Like like what
Speaker 2: like that song? Like many songs, so many songs have
Speaker 2: gone viral because of TikTok, and it's researched the careers
Speaker 2: of the people who made the song, Like whoa didn't
Speaker 2: that happen to Lizzo because Lizzos I thought that Lizo
Speaker 2: song that popped off was a song she had actually
Speaker 2: put out a while back, and it didn't pop when
Speaker 2: she put it out, but then it blew up on
Speaker 2: TikTok way later.
Speaker 1: Oh, they didn't happen.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm That's kind of what I mean. I'm
Speaker 2: not talking about like hella hella old bands. I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: look at Firefly. Firefly was this show that people thought
Speaker 2: ended too early. They got real upset, and it got
Speaker 2: such a rabbit fan base that now that's an interested
Speaker 2: fan base, you know, wants the show. You won't even
Speaker 2: have to guess as an executive.
Speaker 1: They have like a cult following, but they're still not
Speaker 1: going to bring the show back.
Speaker 2: But that's also what happens when you end something in
Speaker 2: a way that leaves people wanting more of it. If
Speaker 2: you just ended abruptly, people are either going to be like,
Speaker 2: why would I ever start this? Or why would I
Speaker 2: watch the whole thing? Maybe I just stop where I
Speaker 2: want to stop. You're never gonna get the analytics for
Speaker 2: a resurgence, you know.
Speaker 1: I'll ask you this, what movie? And you can ask
Speaker 1: me the opposite way, what movie would you want to
Speaker 1: see turn into a TV show?
Speaker 2: Some of it's already happened, So what we do in
Speaker 2: the Shadows was funny, and I think the show is funny,
Speaker 2: so funny. I think that if Guy Ritchie's The Gentleman
Speaker 2: could be turned into a TV show, we could see
Speaker 2: way more of the characters and the you hated it
Speaker 2: or you just haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that what it is?
Speaker 2: There's just so many layers to that movie that I
Speaker 2: want to see expanded, and I think that that would
Speaker 2: be a great TV show if nothing else, just for me,
Speaker 2: what about you? Is there a show that you want
Speaker 2: a movie version of, because the one benefit I can
Speaker 2: say the other way around is that you can compress
Speaker 2: in a movie. If you do it too much, you
Speaker 2: ruin the movie. You can compress in a movie a
Speaker 2: lot of what could have been a show and just
Speaker 2: really bottle it up and give someone a nice present
Speaker 2: of you look at Top Gun and the New Top
Speaker 2: Gun right twenty years in between those two movies, but
Speaker 2: it picks up right back where it left off, and
Speaker 2: it leaves us to grade thirty years. Oh, you're right,
Speaker 2: thirty years.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's a whole lifetime.
Speaker 2: So do you have a show that you want to
Speaker 2: be a movie?
Speaker 1: I don't always, you know, I think I'll always see
Speaker 1: the benefit of turning a TV show into a movie
Speaker 1: because you are, you're bottling things up and you're like
Speaker 1: trying to because it's like what would.
Speaker 2: Be the I'll give you something that will help you.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: The best time to do a movie based off a
Speaker 2: TV show is when the TV show has ended. Okay,
Speaker 2: a check in you know, Arthur TV show, Arthur TV show,
Speaker 2: Arthur movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Arthur movie. So it's let's say DW starting kindergarten
Speaker 1: Arthur's finally going to the fourth grade because Arthur's been
Speaker 1: in the third grade.
Speaker 2: For quite as quite a while, he's been held back.
Speaker 1: I mean everyone in his life has baby Kate has
Speaker 1: been a baby.
Speaker 2: Kate should college Like no, no, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: His parents are almost retires. But also they're rebooting all
Speaker 1: these TV shows. The only black show they rebooted was
Speaker 1: The Game, and the Game is very good. Why are
Speaker 1: we not rebooting like we rebooted for House. We can't reboots,
Speaker 1: you know, I.
Speaker 2: Think that Queen Latifah is too successful to reboot Living Single,
Speaker 2: not on those they can afford her.
Speaker 1: They can't, they can't, they can't.
Speaker 2: That's the problem is that a lot of these people
Speaker 2: from some of these famous like black sitcoms, oof, they
Speaker 2: either have gone on to make too much money and
Speaker 2: they're just not interested, or something has happened.
Speaker 1: Family matters, you can reboot family matters.
Speaker 2: You're right, Family matters. Family matters really just family matters.
Speaker 2: Now I think about it. Everything else I can think
Speaker 2: of is like a, No, you're not.
Speaker 1: Rebooting Martin, You're not Brothers, NA, You're not rebooting girlfriends
Speaker 1: because Tracy Allas Ross's two famous and we already got
Speaker 1: our lotw key girlfriend's rebroot when they brought her friends
Speaker 1: on an episode of Blackish.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I would say, Oh, I.
Speaker 1: Know a TV show that was able to blend doing
Speaker 1: movies while still having their show sick. But I think
Speaker 1: because sich was an hour long TV.
Speaker 2: Show yeah translated, well, their.
Speaker 1: Movies were just an hour and a half. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: So then you know, the TV shows a little bit
Speaker 1: longer you have to go for like the mercery breaks.
Speaker 1: But Pach did a great job.
Speaker 2: Do you watch much a little bit? Psych loved that,
Speaker 2: so so I'll throw I'll throw it to you all
Speaker 2: the listeners. We you know, we've been talking about this
Speaker 2: back and forth for quite a while. I feel like
Speaker 2: we've both made some very good points. We both know
Speaker 2: how we feel about certain shows and programs now, but
Speaker 2: we want to hear how you feel. Okay, is it
Speaker 2: TV shows for you? Is it movies? And look, far
Speaker 2: be it from me to bring down movies. If you
Speaker 2: don't think I did a good job, but you still
Speaker 2: love movies, you can let me know, all right, lord
Speaker 2: knows and find out how everybody feels about me after
Speaker 2: the tomato thing, So like, just go ahead, catch.
Speaker 1: Up with Tomato suit. You crazy man. It's not about
Speaker 1: people aren't coming at you like.
Speaker 2: I'm not offended. I understand why they're doing it. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying I'm acknowledging that it's happening.
Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Because the thing is, the more listeners we get, then
Speaker 1: eventually we'll be able to do this live in front
Speaker 1: of an audience. And that's what, yeah, everybody wants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what everybody was is just see me snap finally,
Speaker 2: you know, just all the way completely.
Speaker 1: STAMPLI You're just like I did this, then he just
Speaker 1: rip your shirt like yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't ask for this, all right, Grilled cheese
Speaker 2: is a castle and then I walk off.
Speaker 1: Hot dogs are Stanwich.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something right now, hot dogs is steak.
Speaker 2: At Anybody who says differently can fight me. But yeah.
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