1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Uh. That's our number one 4 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: super producer, Mr Max Williams. Give him a hand, don't 5 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: give him a probe. You'll see what we're talking about. Uh. 6 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: They call me Ben Noel. You and I over the 7 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: years have not just on Ridiculous History, but we've done 8 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: another show called stuff. They don't want you to know. 9 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: It's true, Ben. And you know, while I don't think 10 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: Max deserves the kind of probe that we may be 11 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: talking about today, he is great for probing for for knowledge. 12 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: He's a veritable font of trivia and and wisdom. So 13 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: for that probe away from from from the other areas 14 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: that might be probed by visitors from another world. Why 15 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: do they get such a bad rap for touching people's 16 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: butts all the time? I don't get it. Where does 17 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: this contromt? Yeah, it's it's weird because if you look 18 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: at the stories of alien abductions through the lens of folklore, 19 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: they have a lot in common with stories of like 20 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: earlier supernatural abductions, the fay or the fairies, Right, the 21 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: fair folk or you know, Rip van Winkle is basically 22 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: a story of alien abduction with different stuff Mad lived in. 23 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: As far as the occupation with nether regions, that's an 24 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: interesting question. Sometimes it says more about the people who 25 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: are telling the story of the abduction than it does 26 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: from people. Yeah, because they've never been on record explaining 27 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: their perceived rationale. So maybe we should maybe we should 28 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: hold judgment on them until we hear directly from the source. 29 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: But I bring up stuff that once, you know, because 30 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: over the years, you and me and our ride or 31 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: die uh Mr Matt Frederick first of his name, we 32 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: have looked at any number of alleged UFO sightings, and today, 33 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: for ridiculous history, we thought we would flex our UFO 34 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: muscles just a little bit and talk about a UFO 35 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: crash that didn't just happen here in the US, didn't 36 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: just happen in Texas. It is indeed considered the most 37 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: famous UFO crash in the entire history of Texas. Yeah, 38 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: and it's like it's like pre nineteen hundreds. It took 39 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: place in April of eighteen nine seven. I would consider 40 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: this a historic UFO incident. A cigar shaped craft of 41 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: some description was reportedly seen crashing into a windmill in Aurora, 42 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: which is a tiny old town just north of Fort 43 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: Worth there in Texas, and over the years it's almost 44 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: taken on the stature of like a urban legend or 45 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: a myth of some kind. It really is some of 46 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: that's sort of been carried over through generations through oral tradition. Uh. 47 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: There are varying accounts of it that differ wildly from 48 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, an alien actually popped out of the craft 49 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: and said, how do you do to um the idea 50 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: of it ending up dead as a result of the crash, 51 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: and the residents of the town purportedly holding its tattered 52 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: frail carcass aloft and carrying into the town for a 53 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: proper Christian burial. Yeah, which is kind of Yeah, it 54 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: seems kind of sweet. You know, it sounds like the 55 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: people of the town and if that version of the 56 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: story of true, were you know, doing doing what they 57 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: thought was the right thing. We're gonna dive into some 58 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: reporting of the day, particularly Ee Hayden, who is a 59 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: reporter from the Dallas Morning News at the time. But 60 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: maybe we we set the stage a little bit first, 61 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: because you pointed out something that should be very interesting 62 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: to any budding ufologists in the crowd today. Would you 63 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: ask most people who are not UFO heads themselves about 64 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: the first major modern UFO incident, they'll probably tell you Roswell, 65 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: New Mexico, and that's when that was in July. We 66 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: have an episode on that and something ill what you know, uh, 67 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: And we are pretty sure that we nailed down the 68 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: actual the most likely explanation for this one spoiler alert. 69 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: For a while, people were trying to say it was 70 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: a weather balloon, but Uncle Sam kept changing its story 71 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: and just made things worse and worse. But hold the phone, 72 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: hold the spacecraft. Roswell was not the first UFO incident, 73 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: not not at all. Like the idea far predates this crash, 74 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: long long before the story of Roswell. We saw people 75 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: from California and people from Texas who were talking about 76 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: things falling from out of the sky. Yeah, and it 77 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: was like that they didn't have have context, probably too, 78 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, because it just wasn't in the zeitgeist. I mean, 79 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: there certainly was science fiction, you know, older you know, 80 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: classic pulpy kind of sci fi novels, But it's just 81 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: the idea of a UFO crash or an alien abduction 82 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: just wasn't in the public consciousness the same way as 83 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: it was after Barney and Betty Hill, you know, in 84 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: that whole situation that you can hear a lot about 85 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: in um Strange Arrivals The Fantastic Podcast with Aaron Manky 86 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: and Grimm and Mild hosted by the incredible Toby Ball, 87 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: who you've heard on this very show, that that really 88 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: was the incident that kind of popularized the idea, and 89 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the reports and sighting it just 90 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: like went through the roof and we actually had an 91 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: episode and stuff they don't want you to know about 92 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: a similar sighting um that took place in New Mexico 93 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: from a guy named Lonnie's a more a very credible 94 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: kind of workaday law enforcement officer. And some of the 95 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: resource we did for that episode, you find a lot 96 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: of like, um, almost evangelical Christian explanations for these things, 97 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: uh kind of liking these visitors to you know, angels 98 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: or something like the Nephelum, these giants from you know, 99 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: heaven that essentially are coming down to uh wage war 100 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: against Satan and all his you know, evil doings and stuff. 101 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: So you know, it's interesting the way these kinds of 102 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: things don't really start to kind of develop like a 103 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: real clear narrative until many years later. So eighteen nine seven, 104 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: to your point, we've already had some reports in small 105 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: towns in California and around Texas and all that was 106 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: more than fifty years before Roswell. So it all starts 107 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: with two fellas from Lodi, California, reporting an attempted abduction 108 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: by three uh strangers, um, you know that were unfamiliar 109 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: described as alien strangers in eighteen nine six. Uh that year, 110 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: Colonel H. G. Shaw and Camille Spooner, We're traveling from 111 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: Lodi to the Fresno Citrus Fair when they claim to 112 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: have come across three in human looking beings organisms. Uh 113 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: and they were reportedly quite tall, around seven ft tall 114 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: and super skinny. Yeah, okay, yeah, let's live in this, 115 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: which is real quick before we get to Texas. This 116 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: is a year before the Aurora incident. Colonel Shaw says 117 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: that these aliens tried to abduct him and Spooner, but 118 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: they were saved because they were too heavy to carry. 119 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: So essentially, the three seven foot tall creatures run up 120 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: and I guess you know, trying to grab them by 121 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: their armpits or something. They go, oh snap, no different gravity, 122 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: they hide tail it to their ship and they leave, 123 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: and and Show writes about this in the evening Mail, 124 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: and he has he has the weirdest statement. He says, 125 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: I have a theory, which of course is only a theory, 126 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: that those we beheld were inhabitants of Mars who could 127 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: have been sent to Earth for the purpose of security 128 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: one of its inhabitants. So I like that he I 129 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: like that he caveats this wild statement where it's like, Okay, 130 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: it's it's only a theory, but I think they were 131 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: from Mars. And also, if we could ask Show today, 132 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: I'd be very interested in hearing how they tried to 133 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: pick the guys up, Like if they only needed one inhabitant, 134 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: why didn't all three of them focus on picking up 135 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: one earthly anyway? Yeah, and it just come on, that 136 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: sounds like a pretty poorly planned kidnapping. You know, he 137 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: just cannat grab him. You don't have a van defilman too. 138 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: They're just on foot like v I don't think they 139 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: were the top brass of Mars if that's If that 140 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: to the case, I don't think they were the brightest 141 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: crayons in the intergalactic Crayola box. I agree with jokingly. 142 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: When we refer to a lot of these things, it 143 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: tends to seem like the ones that get spotted or 144 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: like the you know, the sightings of these UFOs are 145 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: probably like rogues, sort of dumb, dumb aliens that like 146 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, didn't do a good job of like hiding there. 147 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: They're covering their tracks, right, I mean, yeah, I'm just 148 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: thinking of this SNL recurring sec they do where it's like, 149 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's the three people in there and like 150 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: two of them having this wonderful experience when they got abducted, 151 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: and then there's Kate McKinnon and she's like, oh man, 152 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: I must have gotten like the B team on mind. Yeah, yeah, 153 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: that's all I'm thinking about when we're having this conversation 154 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: right here, Dude, check it out. That that's what I 155 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: was thinking about as well. It's like my experience was 156 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: a little different. I suppose. Uh, it's maybe not fit 157 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: for family show, but if you enjoy a good laugh, 158 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: please do check it out. Kate McKinnon always kills it 159 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: on Saturday Night Live. There's something interesting As. There's a 160 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: guy named John Callahan who was writing a book about this. 161 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: You see him mentioned in a Mental Flaws article called 162 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: Seven Strange Tales from the wild West by Kyla Cathy. 163 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: And John Callaghan tracks down other reports of UFO sightings 164 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: in this area, and he is a great source for 165 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: a lot of these descriptions. Whether or not you think 166 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: they're true, whether you think that it's all a hoax, 167 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: or whether you think aliens are real and for some 168 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: reason just don't have the upper arm strength to abduct humans, 169 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: that's that's on you. What we're saying is this was 170 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: already kind of in the zeitgeist the year before this 171 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: famous event in Aurora, Texas. So the claim is that 172 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: on the morning of April, a bizarre looking flying craft 173 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: plummeted into town from the sky and it hit the 174 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: local windmill on the property of a very credible dude, 175 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: one Judge J. S. Proctor, and then it broke away 176 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: from the windmill and fell to the ground, destroyed his 177 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: flower garden. Uh and no one knew what to make 178 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: of it. Just for a side note, this happened about 179 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: six years before Kitty Hawk and the Right Brothers made 180 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: their first successful flight, so it's not as if this 181 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: was a misidentified plane. Yeah, you don't get much more 182 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: credible a name than Judge Proctor, like too nominated determinism. 183 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: Isn't a Proctor kind of like a stern like taskmaster 184 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: or someone that like oversees the test taking much like 185 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: the episode I was describing for something that I wants 186 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: you to know this is a very credible witness. And 187 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: then you make a good point. I sort of lead 188 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: with the idea that this was early in the days 189 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: of these UFO sightings, the very earliest of days, so 190 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't in the zeitgeist in the same way that 191 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: it would have been after these really big, high profile 192 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: events that made national news. But you're right, that had 193 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: happened enough time where people were kind of like had 194 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: heard about it, you know, enough to be like, what 195 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: is that? But the question is are they aliens? Are 196 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: they from Mars? Are they angels? Whatever they might be. 197 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: I don't think that was necessarily as entrenched as it 198 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: would have been, you know, a generation later, A hundred percent. Man, 199 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: this is strange because people would have read newspapers of 200 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: the time, they would have maybe known that some stuff 201 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: was getting weird. In California, but they wouldn't have had 202 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: the language to hang their perspectives upon. They wouldn't have 203 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: said ufo or flying disc. They ran to see this 204 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: wreckage all the local townspeople of Aurora. And this is again, 205 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: like we said at the top, this is where the 206 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: stories start to diverge a little. In one they find 207 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: the mangled and burned remains of whoever was piloting this raft. 208 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: But even though it was burned, they could recognize the 209 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: body was quote world, World. And then an army officer 210 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: comes from Fort Worth and he says, you know, this 211 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: is definitely not a human. This is about even alien 212 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: being quite possibly, in my opinion, a Martian. They were 213 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: very dead set on these being Martians. I'm not sure why, 214 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: but uh, but maybe we go back to Hayden, the 215 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: Dallas Barning news guy. Let's maybe get a report from 216 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: the day. What do you think you got a good 217 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: old time? Ever? Yeah, if if, if I might, uh, 218 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: let's see, I'm not gonna I'm just gonna do a 219 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: do an interpretive reading here. About six o'clock this morning, 220 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: the early rises of Aurora were astonished at the sudden 221 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: appearance of the airship. It sailed over the public square, 222 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: and when it reached the north part of town, it 223 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: collided with the tower of Judge Procta's windmill and went 224 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: into pieces with a terrific explosion. Kubo Um, the pilot 225 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: of the ship, is supposed to have been the only 226 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: one aboard, and on his remains were badly disfigured. Enough 227 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: of the original has been picked up to show that 228 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: he was not an inhabitant of this world. That was 229 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: a wildly varying all over the place reading there. But 230 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, and I hope it's good info, really 231 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: good writing, and it's I would say, it's a wildly 232 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: accurate representation of voices of the time. You know what 233 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: I mean, That's how the town sounded. And if you 234 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: don't believe us, you can go back to the late 235 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds and check for yourself. Uh we will. We 236 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: will accept all apologies, uh in cash. So this wreckage 237 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: like there's a lovely thing there. They they say airship, right, 238 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: they don't say ufo, they don't say flying disc because 239 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: people aren't thinking in those terms at this point, but 240 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: they do know, like we do know some interesting things. First, 241 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: there were multiple people who play him to have seen this. 242 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: Multiple members of the town, including the judge, including reporters, 243 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: including members of the military. The debris that they saw 244 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: looked like it was made of metal, but it was 245 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: a metal that was unfamiliar to the townsfolk of Aurora. 246 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: They said, it looks kind of like silver, kind of 247 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: like aluminium, maybe a blend of the two, but it 248 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: was much much heavier. And they also found what they 249 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: described as paper like artifacts with hieroglyphic like writing on them. 250 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: And there weren't you know, they don't have dumpsters, they 251 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: don't have a big recycling center, so they just eventually 252 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: get rid of the wreckage the way they would throw 253 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: away anything else. They put it in the well. And 254 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: fast forward oh decades later, this guy named Brawley Oates 255 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: takes over the land where the well is located and 256 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: he says, Okayvin had cleaned the debris out again, not 257 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: because I'm solving a big mystery, but because I want 258 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: to be able to use the well water. Uh. And 259 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: when he was doing this, it took a long time. 260 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: If you've ever cleared out a well, it's a it's 261 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: a real pain. So he spent hours and hours and 262 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: hours cleaning out this well that was just full of dunk. 263 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: And then later he developed a pretty serious case of arthritis. 264 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: His hands were knotted and twisted, you know what I mean. 265 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: It was the kind of thing where he would know 266 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: what the weather was going to be like in a dance. 267 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: And he went to his grave believing that the water 268 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: in the well was contaminated by wreckage from the stars, 269 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: and that that's what gave him out arthritis. So even 270 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: though he had dug out the well pretty pretty well, 271 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: he dug out the well pretty well. Even though he 272 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: did all that, he later went back and he covered 273 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: the well up, He filled it with concrete, and he 274 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: built a shed on top of it because he didn't 275 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: want anybody else to have this experience. That it's important 276 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: because it shows us the people in the town after 277 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: the eight nineties, they still believed that there was something 278 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: extraordinary about this wreckage. And according to the story, you know, 279 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: the folks in Aurora weren't quite sure what to do, 280 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: so they did what I kind of ended at the 281 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: top of the show, what would have been natural for 282 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: them to have done, which is to take the alien 283 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: and bury it uh and give it a proper Christians 284 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: send off at the local cemetery. Their historical records UM 285 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: connected to the Aurora Cemetery that even contain information about 286 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: this funeral having taken place. And rather than you know, 287 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: give it a proper headstone, that was like you know, 288 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: jizzled and all that. Granted, they used a just a 289 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: stone to mark the site. So pretty interesting. In nineteen 290 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: seventy three, Mary Evans, who actually lived in Aurora during 291 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: this time, Um, she spoke with a reporter and kind 292 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: of did her best to remember what it was like, 293 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: and she talked about it in terms of the excitement 294 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: that it caused, but also the fear that was kind 295 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: of spreading through the community because folks didn't really know 296 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: what to make of it or what the intentions were. Um, 297 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: this was before you know, she points out there were 298 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: any airplanes even in the area. You know, I mean 299 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: there were what will you say, you said, Ben Kitty 300 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: Hawk was a couple of years later, correct, right, that's right. Yeah, 301 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: so that would have been the first man's you know, 302 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: uh flight. So this was the technology that maybe there 303 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: were rumblings of, you know that this was not something 304 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: that people had seen. So folks were very perplexed when 305 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: me when they saw something like this, because it wouldn't 306 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: have been like today, or you could easily mistake you know, 307 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: a distant plane or an airship or a drone or 308 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: something like that for a U a P. Which is 309 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: the proper term for for UFO these days. It was 310 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: unidentified aerial phenomenon. Nailed it. Yeah, that's and that's such 311 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: a good observation. So these folks would have known if 312 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: something was a bird, for instance, Uh, those would have 313 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: been the flying things that they were familiar with. This 314 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: is definitely not a bird. Uh. They weren't aware of 315 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: planes because planes weren't a thing. So they were at 316 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: a loss. And again, multiple people saw this. It wasn't 317 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: just one isolated witness. So this person you mentioned, Mary Evans, 318 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: her parents didn't let her go to the crash site, 319 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: but they did tell her that the townsfolk had found 320 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: some kind of humanoid or alien pilot and they buried it. 321 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: And one physics professor in the same story said that 322 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: they've found iron near this alleged crash site, and the 323 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: iron did not have the usual magnetic properties of that metal. 324 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: But if you go forward and you dig a little deeper, 325 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: you'll see that in ninety nine in an article for 326 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: Time magazine, at least one resident, Eda Phughughes, who was 327 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: eighty six at the time, said the whole thing was 328 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: a hoax. She said that journalists we just mentioned a 329 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: couple of times here Hayden made it up as a 330 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: joke to bring some interest and hopefully maybe some tourism 331 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: dollars to Aurora. And then there's another story, which to 332 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: me is even even more plausible because it's so silly, 333 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: you guys. Some townsfolk later would say the whole story 334 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: of an alien was made up by two notorious drunks 335 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: who accidentally set a fire at the windmill and then 336 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: wanted to cover up their tracks, and so they made 337 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: the most ironclad, waterproof alibi ever. Aliens are real, and 338 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: they landed on the windmill. Sorry, judge, Yeah, sorry, sorry 339 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: about that. Um, aliens didn't. So yeah. Then, um, the 340 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: grave site that we talked about that was marked with 341 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: a rock, it became kind of an attraction. Um, Like 342 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: you said, then there was almost this like tourist draw 343 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: for this thing. But even locally it became a spot 344 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: of of significant an interest. Children would come by and 345 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: take a look and talk about what might be buried there. Uh. 346 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: In the early seventies, someone went and took a metal 347 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: detecture to the grave and the readings indicated that, um, 348 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: there were three giant pieces of metal buried along with 349 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: the pilot. And then, of course, you know, as sites 350 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: like this tent to be subject to there were you know, 351 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: people stealing the gravestone and then it would you know, 352 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: come back, it would, it would show back up, and 353 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: things like that. Someone eventually discovered a giant metal pipe 354 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: sticking out of the ground of the grave site and 355 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: it was removed and the site was once again gone 356 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: over with a metal detector. In this time there were 357 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: no readings for metal, so it appears that whatever was 358 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: once in there was no longer there. It had either 359 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: been taken by a single person or a group. But 360 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: for what purpose, I ask you, right, yeah, if you 361 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: are a believer in government cover ups of UFOs, and 362 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: maybe maybe some military members went and robbed the grave 363 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: to keep it secret, but what again, what would their 364 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: motivation be? This is why the Aurora incident remains so 365 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: fascinating to enthusiasts of UFO history. But we do have 366 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: to say there are a couple of other there there's 367 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: another explanation we should mention. An author named Michael Busby 368 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: researched this pretty in depth, and he had a theory 369 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: that might be new to a lot of us in 370 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: the crowd today. He says, yes, it is true that 371 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: the Right brothers hadn't made their first flight when the 372 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: Aurora incident occurred in April of eight, but he believes 373 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: there is evidence of a secret cabal of aircraft builders 374 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: called the Sonora Aero Club a e er oh, and 375 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: that this club was experimenting with flying machines in California 376 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: around the time of the crash. So in Bisbee's mind, 377 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: it's possible that whatever crash and Arora was an experimental 378 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 1: craft by this secret club, and that the pilot was 379 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: badly mangled, all too human victim of the crash. If 380 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: you want to read more about this, there's a great 381 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: article by Rebecca J. Rossin called The Airship Club That 382 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: Might never have existed, and it's on the Atlantic. It's 383 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: free to read online. Now, you know what, it's almost 384 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: its own episode. It's it's so weird because the only 385 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: reason we know about some of this stuff is due 386 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: to a house fire in Houston in the nineteen sixties, 387 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: someone found twelve scrap books that appear to tell the 388 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: story of a secret group of airplane builders. How wild 389 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: is that? I had never heard of that one, So 390 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: that one doesn't have aliens in there, but it does 391 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: have a heck of a conspiracy if it's true. We're 392 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: calling the National Treasure people were getting Nikki Cage on 393 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: the line. We're gonna see if he wants to make 394 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: a movie. What do you say? I love it. Yeah, 395 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: you have me at National Treasure and Nikki Cage. Yeah, 396 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: we can call him movie. He truly has not no 397 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 1: irony here. Um. He's one of my favorite living actors. 398 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: I think when he's used correctly, he's like a cruise missile. 399 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: He is laser focused. He gets the job done. I 400 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: think Big was one of the best movies of two 401 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: Thoe question. Yeah you know, actually I meant to This 402 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: is unrelated to anything, but I'm meant to tell you guys. 403 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: I know we're well. I know about you, Max, but 404 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: Noel and I are both big, big Nick Cage fans 405 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: and big big fans of some of the more experimental 406 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: stuff he's done recently, like Mandy, which is awesome and 407 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: Color Out of Space. I just I just saw this 408 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: really weird adult animated fantasy epic called like in the 409 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: spine of Night or something. It's got that box sheet 410 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: type Rhodo Scope animation, and I wanted I almost texted 411 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: you guys because it's it's worth watching. It's got a 412 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: killer cast. Pat and Oswalt's in it, a bunch of 413 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: other famous people. What's her name is it? Uh? Oh Zena, Yeah, yeah, 414 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: Lucy Lawless is in it. Uh. It's free if I 415 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: think it's free if you have Amazon, but they don't 416 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: sponsor the show. It's just we're always we're nerds, were 417 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: always sharing cool stuff to watch. You should hear us 418 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: talk about Moon Night off air. So so the way 419 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: Nick Cage aside, he'd be perfect for this if it 420 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: were a film. I love that you brought up the 421 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: grave and the grave appeared to either have been robbed 422 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: or to not have anything in it. Because so many 423 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: of the questions about what actually crashed there could be 424 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: cleared up easily by exhuming the grave, it to this 425 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: day has not been permitted. The Aurora Cemetery Is Association 426 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: has stonewalled every single attempt to exume the grave full 427 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: stop and the well has been tested in modern times, 428 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: but the only the only weird thing that the well 429 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: shows is a high level of a luminium, which means 430 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: if you're a researcher and you're operating within the balance 431 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: of the law, all you can do is count on 432 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: eyewitness testimonies from contemporary newspapers, and those are notoriously unreliable. 433 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 1: No one has found any any physical proof at this time. 434 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: It may just be nothing more than a bit of 435 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: modern American folklore. But we have to go back to 436 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: se Hayden. What did he I mean, if he made 437 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: it up? Why did he make it up? Pretty risky, like, 438 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, to be a shrewd kind of even handed 439 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: um journey a list of some note to start spreading 440 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: a story like this, Yeah, it's It's strange because one 441 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: of the stories that we found, one of the proposed 442 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: explanations we found in Dallas news dot com called fake 443 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: news from Wise County brought UFO believers to Aurora. Eventually. 444 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: This was by Jin Graffender, and Grafender argues that Hayden's 445 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: made up tail was concocted as a last resort to 446 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: help revive the town because it had fallen victim to 447 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: an outbreak of spotted fever, and people were dying of this. 448 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: But also everybody was healthy who could afford to leave 449 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: was leaving. So the town was beset by a plague 450 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: almost and people were terrified to go into town and 451 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: do business. We know it's true that Hayden lost his wife, 452 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: then two of his own children to the outbreak. One 453 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: of his other kids actually lost their eyesight. So the 454 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: idea here is that he made this up as a 455 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: way of saving the town or maybe even you know, 456 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: for being cynical getting something about the town in the 457 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: news that wasn't spotted fever. Right, Yeah, that's not the 458 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: kind of that's not as much of a tourist draw 459 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: as alien grave, is it, right? And no, what is 460 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: spotted fever? I think? Is it something like like the pox? 461 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a I bet it's got to 462 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: have to do with box or or bubbles, pustules, you know, 463 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: So spotted fever is from ticks enough and just right now, 464 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: no way, it's the bacterial infection that takes takes like 465 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: latch onto you. If they stay there for too long, 466 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: like a couple of hours, then boot him. You got 467 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: spotted Fever Max with the fag excut theme song Just 468 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: for you. I love it right now, just for you. Yeah, 469 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: that's first it would have been. It would have been 470 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: funny if we could have have had Matt on this 471 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: episode and placed to join. He was unfortunately booked up 472 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: at this time, but we'll have him back again soon. 473 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: But we gonna have a live rendition. That'd be great. 474 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: Matt was here. Wow, sorry to just jeez my favorite. Yeah, 475 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: he's everyone's favorite. Oh man, all right, I'm rethinking my favorite. 476 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: You blame him. I mean, Matt's basically God's gift. I 477 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: mean guys like Mats basically my work older brother. All right, yeah, wow, 478 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: Ben feels ways about the well you can you can 479 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: you can hear what behind Alex be your work older brother, 480 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: like my actual older brother. Yes, mutually exclusive. I don't 481 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: think they don't think it is. It's it's hard to explain, guys. Alright, well, okay, 482 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: it's an emotion. Passwords for you, and we respect that. 483 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: If you want to see what all the hype is about, 484 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: you want to hear our pal Matt Frederick live and 485 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: direct or recorded and direct check out stuff. They don't 486 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: want you to know where he is Uh, the third 487 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: amigo of our show. And then also check out video 488 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: Games Part two of Ephemeral, wherein Max and Matt make 489 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: A have an epic interview. I say it's epic. I 490 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: can't wait to listen. I'm falling behind Max and Matt. 491 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: A friendship a podcast friendship for the ages. Check it out. 492 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: So this kind of takes an interesting turn. Um years later, 493 00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: around ten, a lawyer from Dallas offers a reward for 494 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: the return of that grave marker that had been stolen 495 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: from the the area where the alien, which by the way, 496 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: it was affectionately known by the locals as ned Uh 497 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: was married. Yeah. Yeah, he wanted to get to the 498 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: bottom of this. We know the grave marker we're stolen 499 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: sometime in ninety two. Coincidentally, around the same time, Mouf 500 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: on the Mutual UFO network published an investigation into the incident. 501 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: And then there was that other replacement marker that was 502 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: put down that was stolen in UH. You can find 503 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: descriptions of the marker. But currently, as we record today 504 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: is where the story ends. The town has a standing 505 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: call for the return of either of those markers. And 506 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: if you return it, if you have it. You're listening now, 507 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: fellow ridiculous historians. You will not have any criminal charges 508 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: brought to you. They just want it back because it's, 509 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: for better or worse, a piece of the town's history. 510 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: I love UFO stories. This is as you said, this 511 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: is where the story stands now. But we want to 512 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: hear weird UFO tails from your neck of the Global Woods. 513 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: You can find us on Facebook where we're ridiculous Historians. 514 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: You can find us on the Internet, not just as 515 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: a show, but as individuals. We get into all kinds 516 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: of hijaks. That's right. You can find me on Instagram 517 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: exclusively where I'm at how now, Noel Brown, Ben bull 518 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: and I believe you can be found in a couple 519 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: of locations. That's true. Like the Catholic Saints of old, 520 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: I've mastered the art of by location on social media. 521 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: At least you can find me on Instagram where I'm 522 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: at ben Bullen b w L I n get a 523 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: sneak peak of some weird things I'm up to. You 524 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: never know what you'll find. And you can also find 525 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: me on Twitter where I'm at ben bullan hs W 526 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: mostly getting clowned by Max Williams, who used to be 527 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: my favorite, but that has changed. Max. What's your Twitter handle? Yeah? 528 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: I know I'm still your favorite, so you don't even 529 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: have to pretend. Yes, you can find me on Twitter 530 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: and Twitter alone at at L Underscore Max Williamson, as 531 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: Bed said, Yeah, a lot of trolling, HAMP, but other 532 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: fun stuff like me getting way too passionate about the 533 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, Atlanta sports scene and stuff. What about that 534 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: new season of Picard? I heard that Jordan Theforge is 535 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: making a triumphant return. Oh. I wasn't gonna say. I 536 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: haven't sent Ben the trailer or anything because I didn't 537 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: want to spoil any of it. But yes, but yes, 538 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: LaVar Burnon is going to be in it, and some 539 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: other people as well. Since you won't be hosting Jeopardy, 540 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: I guess you need something to do. Here we go, 541 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: Uh well, thank you so much as always for tuning in, folks. Big, big, big, 542 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: big thanks to our own crash Landing alien, Jonathan Strickland 543 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: a k. The Quister. You know him, you know him. 544 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: Big thanks to Alex Williams who composed this track. Max. 545 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: Big thanks do you of course, Big thanks to h 546 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: E see pegram with us in spirit and and NOL 547 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: I wonder if Okay, so earlier we established we're gonna 548 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: go do our try to do a live show in Iceland, 549 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: our first first post COVID live show. I think we 550 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: can get Aurora in the budget. Let's make the weirdest, 551 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: most inconvenient tour. I just like to plan Man Aurora, Texas. 552 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm all about inconveniencing the public. We'll see you next 553 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: time Fox. 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