1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: What's up His way Up with Angela Yee And this 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: is going to be a fun Wealth Wednesday with my 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: co host Stacy Tisdale. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: Happy Wealth Wednesdays, everybody. We have a mid year financial 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: check up with the budget nistu. 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: I can't believe it's the middle of the year already, 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: Can we talk about that? So yes, but that also 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: means you still have the rest of the year to 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: reach your goals exactly. 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: So what should people do if it's they're kind of 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: afraid it's midyear? Where do they start when it comes 12 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: to taking stock of their financial goals? 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 3: Well, first things first, Stacy, I want you to revisit 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: what your goals were in January. You know, like everybody 15 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 3: wrote stuff down. Maybe you journaled, maybe you did a 16 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 3: vision board, maybe just started out. So revisit what those 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 3: goals are. See if they still align. Because maybe you 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 3: had a goal if I want to buy a house 19 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: and it just doesn't make sense now. But maybe you 20 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 3: had a goal I want to save one thousand dollars 21 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: and it still makes sense. 22 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 4: So what were your goals? 23 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: How are or how close are you to accomplishing them? 24 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 3: If you're still pretty far? Map out the next the 25 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: rest of the year of what do I need to 26 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 3: do to get there? 27 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 4: Okay? 28 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 3: You know, so like let's just say your goal was 29 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 3: I want to save a thousand dollars and you're at 30 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 3: two hundred, Well, what do we have to do to 31 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: get those to the eight hundred? 32 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 4: Month by month by month? Break it down, work backwards. 33 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: You know. 34 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: They always say it, don't beat yourself up, but I 35 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: do know, and I'm not just talking about myself, but 36 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: a lot of times we set these goals and then 37 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: we do things that we know are not aligned with 38 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: reaching those goals because it's not sometimes easy the well 39 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: power that you have to have to be able to 40 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: achieve goals, Like you'll be like, I want to buy us, 41 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: but I'm still acting and doing things like shopping and 42 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, making purchase and going out to eat and 43 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: going on vacations and doing all of the things that 44 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: won't align with me trying to save up that money. 45 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: You always say being clear on your goals helps. 46 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 4: But also too, get your an accountability partner. 47 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: You are here by yourself, why like tell your sister 48 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 3: your beds, to your work hubby, somebody who's going to 49 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: be like, oh, we are here again. But someone who 50 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: is gonna jetly motivate you, but you're accountable, and then 51 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 3: create like an accountability check in, right, so it might 52 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 3: be monthly, but you're also helping them check in. 53 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 4: Maybe it's weekly. 54 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: So you set your goals, you share them, and then 55 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: you check in with your accountability partner, because. 56 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 4: It's really going to help you. 57 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 3: I mean, no one is perfect, but knowing that someone's 58 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 3: going to ask you about it is really going to 59 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: motivate you to stay on track or lie. 60 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said right, you know, because saving is 61 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: a big thing that we were talking about, because sometimes, 62 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, saving is like when you spend money to 63 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 1: save money, but really you're just spending money you don't 64 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: need to spend. And so you might be like, oh, 65 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: there's a big sale. I could save five hundred dollars 66 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: on this, but you don't even need it. But you 67 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: think you're saving money, but you're spending money on something 68 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: you don't need because it's on sale. 69 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 5: I'm a saver and I'm aware, but I'm trying to get. 70 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: Some people save to spend, meaning that like they'll say like, 71 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: oh my goodness, like I save this two hundred dollars 72 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: and then they spent that two hundred dollars. 73 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 4: It's like the savings never stays. 74 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know. 75 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: And so the key for that, though, is you have 76 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: to make your money inconvenience, because inconvenient. 77 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 4: Money gets saved. 78 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: Like I do not put my spending money in my 79 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: saving money at the same bank. Okay, So my spending 80 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: money goes at my convenient bank, which is like the 81 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 3: brick and mortar banks outside swipe your your your your depor. 82 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 4: Card, you know the ones we see outside. 83 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 3: My savings money goes in an online only bank because 84 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: she is stingy and if I want to spend her, 85 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 3: you gotta jump through hoops what you got to make 86 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: that transfer twenty four hours before it's available. Blah blah blah. 87 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 4: So it makes my money inconvenient. 88 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 5: That's a good idea. 89 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 4: You know, it slows me down a little bit. 90 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great idea. I love the accountability partner 91 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: because I got a stat Yeah, write down your goals. 92 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: Tell someone you are it's like ninety eight percent more 93 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: likely to achieve them. 94 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 3: It's huge. 95 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 4: And check in. 96 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: And here's the thing. I mean, y'all like to tell 97 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: your business on social media anyway, if you don't have 98 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: someone to do. 99 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 4: Make social media you accountability, right, y'all like. 100 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 5: To push yourself in a push put your goals. 101 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: You just like, hey, guys, I want to save one 102 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: thousand dollars, you know by the end of the year. 103 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: Every month, I'm gonna check in with y'all. And then 104 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: that way people will start to ask you. I thought 105 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: you had said that you were like. 106 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 4: Where are we at s clean shop? 107 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: Please? Yeah, you know, and so yeah, just finding people 108 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: that are gonna hold your accountable, but gently accountable, because 109 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: you're not looking for people to beat u. 110 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: Up, break it down. So if I see I'm really 111 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: falling short, what are some steps I can take? And 112 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: you also talk about it so important to prioritize. 113 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 3: So here's the thing that like, if we're talking about 114 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 3: saving in particular, one of the one of the best 115 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: places that you can save is currently internally, meaning like 116 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 3: you don't have to necessarily make more money. 117 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 4: Not everyone. 118 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: Sometimes you just have to look at what are you 119 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: currently spending. There are literally apps. So I just swore 120 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 3: up and down that I didn't have any of these 121 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: like monthly payments that I was making that were unnecessary. 122 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 3: So there are apps that will look through and find 123 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: all your monthly payments or your regular payments. Child, it 124 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: was like a few hundred dollars a month. 125 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 4: I forgot about that. Listen signed up for Hinge job, 126 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 4: you know, I got me. 127 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: A man that second. 128 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: You know, And I was like, wait a minute, now, 129 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: seventy nine dollars like every three months or whatever. 130 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 4: Literally, I just canceled it. 131 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 5: Did you meet him on Hinge? 132 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 4: No? 133 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so like you know, and so I just. 134 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, you know, I try it right though, 135 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 4: you know. 136 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: But I didn't know that. And I thought because I 137 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 3: had deleted it, I had not canceled it, and there 138 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: was a bunch of things like that that had not canceled. 139 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 5: I have a storage. 140 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: I have a storage that I'm like, I need to 141 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,799 Speaker 1: go get my stuff out of storage at this point, 142 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: because before I moved into my new house, I was like, 143 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: let me just put some stuff in storage just to like, 144 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, I was dealing with a lot of different things, 145 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I gotta go get. 146 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 5: This stuff out of storage at some point, yeah, because 147 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 5: I don't need to be paining this. It's expensive. 148 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: And then and then when you really added up, when 149 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 3: I added up it was like a few hundred dollars 150 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: a month. 151 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: Think about that, that's thousands a year. Yeah, what can 152 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 4: I do? That's a vacation. 153 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: That is I put a mattress in storage because I had, 154 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: like got an extra mattress. I got a mattress, you know, 155 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: anyway I could have bought a new mattress. The amount 156 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: of money out of putting this mattress and. 157 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 5: Stories, what was the point? You know? 158 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 3: Because the thing is is really out of sight, out 159 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: of minds. When you put things in storage, you just 160 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 3: don't see them. 161 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: So steps prioritize. For a lot of people out there, 162 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: A huge pain point is student loan death, especially with 163 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: the resumption and payments and interest rates going up in July. 164 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: And in case anybody didn't notice, notice it's kind of 165 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: an interesting moment in politics. And we now have the 166 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: vice president as our nominee for president. 167 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 5: Who you were with recently. 168 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 2: Talk about give us the dirt? 169 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 3: What was it? Like? What have I done? 170 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 4: What's she going to mean? 171 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: This is Tiffany's Well, I've been invited to the White House, 172 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: Capitol Hill, and then most recently I was invited to 173 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: the Vice President's Residents and it was for black business leaders. 174 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 4: It was a reception. 175 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: It was in connection with the Black Chamber of Commerce, 176 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: you know. So anyway, I went, and she really just 177 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: talked about ways that this administration has helped black businesses 178 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: and like from giving seven billion dollars to HBCUs, you know, 179 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 3: to we've had I think right now, we have the 180 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: lowest rate of unemployment in the black community. 181 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 4: According to them, you know, have created more black jobs. 182 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: Have though we know the wealthcap is still ridiculous, right, 183 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 3: but it is. They have infused black more black wealth 184 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: than any other president, I think even presidents combined. So 185 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: these are just some of the things that she talked about, 186 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: and I just was like, so she's actually on an 187 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: economic empowerment tour that hopefully your girl will be on. 188 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 4: Too, and. 189 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: I'm with it. But then the week before that, I 190 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: was invited to a congressional briefing, which I didn't know 191 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: what that was, if I'm being honest, And that is 192 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: when members of Congress say we want to brief you, 193 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: talk to you about something important. So we've all heard 194 00:07:53,720 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 3: hopefully of Elizabeth Senator Elizabeth Warren. Yeah, Senator Chuck's tumor, 195 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: you know, from right here in New York. He's a 196 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: Senate majority leader. I'm also Senator Warnock and Assembly you know, 197 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: a representative Aleana Presley. 198 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 4: She's a beautiful woman. 199 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: Yeap, you know. And so they were like, we want 200 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: to talk about student loan debt relief, and so I 201 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: didn't realize. So there's like three hundred million plus Americans 202 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 3: in the you know, in America, and forty three million 203 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: of them are affected by student loans, at least federal students. 204 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: So this doesn't cold. And so like the president actually 205 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: had a plan that was going to help about forty 206 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 3: million of them, and at every step he has been 207 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: like staved off, like so much. So the Supreme Court 208 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: got in the mix, it was like you tried it, 209 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 3: trying to help people not here, And even then he 210 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: went he went through the Department of Education around yeah yeah, yeah, 211 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 3: but even and. 212 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: It's important to know because some people that aren't understanding 213 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: are like, well, I still paying my student loans. 214 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 5: He didn't keep his promise. 215 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 4: That's not true. 216 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: To understand that this is not a dictatorship and he 217 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: can't just magically wave his wind. He's done the best 218 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: that he could to try to keep that promise. 219 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: But five million people hasn't been helped five million, and 220 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: that's because it got stopped, you know, five million people. 221 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: So there was a a statistic that they share with 222 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: me that blew my mind. They shared that that for 223 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,599 Speaker 3: white bars, twenty years after graduating college and paying on 224 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: their student loan, that for most white bars or the 225 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: average white bar, they were still all about six percent 226 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: of the original amount that they borrowed. So twenty years later, 227 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 3: do you know for black bars in particular, twenty years 228 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 3: after starting to pay down their student loans, they own 229 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 3: ninety five percent? 230 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 5: Whoa that they didn't pay anything. 231 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: I was just like why, but crazy, yes, and so 232 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: like that's why student loan because you ask yourself, why 233 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: are they blocking student on debt relief? Because it helps 234 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 3: middle class workers, it helps public service workers, it helps 235 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 3: women and helps especially people of color, older Americans. Twenty 236 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 3: percent of all federal bars are over fifty. Imagine being 237 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 3: super grown. And it's like it's been I mean, you know, 238 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 3: so like, but this is why the things that you 239 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 3: the people that you vote for, I know, when it's perfect, 240 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: you know, but the people that you vote for, it's 241 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 3: critical because truthfully, black the waste of wealth gap part 242 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 3: of it is home ownership, but also part of it 243 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: is student alone. 244 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: Right, and the history of it's terrible when education used 245 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: to get paid with pell grants, yes, and it was 246 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: blacks couldn't get pel grants. 247 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 4: That was just part of the gym crow log came out. 248 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: But I'm glad you talked about this because we had 249 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: your girl, Lynette Cox on a couple of weeks ago 250 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: and there were so many comments. You know, Biden didn't 251 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: keep his promise on student loans, Biden's raising inflations, Biden's 252 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: doing this with interest rates, and I'm like, there's such 253 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: a knowledge gap. 254 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: Yes, And people will tell you that they haven't done 255 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: a great job of explaining everything that has been done, 256 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: and that is quite unfortunate, and that the other side 257 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: has done a great job of making it seem like, yeah, 258 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: thing has been done. 259 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 5: And I think that that's why that everyone's not to 260 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 5: do their own research the. 261 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: Or not, and that's why things like this are important. 262 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: Right. 263 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: This is why you know, when they invited me, they're like, honestly, Tiffany, 264 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: they asked us. It was six creators they invited to 265 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 3: this congressional briefing, and one of the questions they asked, 266 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: is how can we get more information out there? 267 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: Right? 268 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 5: How can we let people know? 269 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 3: Yes? And I was like, you have to invite more 270 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 3: people in to share on platforms in ways that make sense, 271 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 3: you know, to share on platforms so people can hear 272 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 3: so things like this. This is why I was like, 273 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: you know what, like, so there is if I applied 274 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 3: because I used to be a school teacher. So I 275 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: applied for we all know the public service Loan Forgiveness program. 276 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 3: We've all heard of them, you know, like if you 277 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: work for federal, state or local you know, government or whatever. 278 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 3: So I was denied it. And do you know largely 279 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: people were denied just because of like clerical errors, nothing 280 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: that they did wrong. So since it was since its 281 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 3: inception in twenty fourteen till twenty twenty, so how many 282 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 3: years is that? 283 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: Like? 284 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 3: Sixteen years right? Only seven thousand people? So that's like 285 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 3: what I was like, Well, like since seven thousand people 286 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: were able to get their loans forgiven through that program. 287 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: But during this presidency they went in they said yes, 288 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 3: and nine hundred and forty two thousand people the last four. 289 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 5: Years, see and nobody talking about that. 290 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy? 291 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 4: Some of the stuff like remember bet to the vote. 292 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 3: Remember that was like a big thing when she became 293 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: the education So under her watch, you know, the income 294 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 3: driven Repayment program. So there's this income driven repayment plan 295 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: where it was supposed to also like if you've been 296 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 3: paying for twenty or twenty five years worth of payment, 297 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: like it was supposed to also help with cancelation. Do 298 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 3: you know since it was starting the early two thousand, 299 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: so it wasn't just her, but only thirty two people 300 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: got their long forgiven thirty thirty people. 301 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 5: Yes, people, and. 302 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: Under this administration a million bars in that short period 303 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 3: of time. 304 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 5: But I'm well, let's make sure we elevate that. 305 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 3: Yes, because I'm just like, so, there is a lot 306 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: of red tape that's been purposely placed in place to 307 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: stop people from getting relief. 308 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: And when people ask, well, why is this something this is? 309 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: How is this something that directly helps black people? Because 310 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: I know another thing that we talk about a lot 311 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: is what is the black agenda that have black people? 312 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 5: And while this. 313 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: Isn't only specifically helping black people, it is a lot 314 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: of black people that will benefit. 315 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Because first of all, two thirds of student loan 316 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 3: debts are are women have two thirds of student loan debts? 317 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: And then also too, like I just share, are women Yeah, 318 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 3: are like are like women just in general? Right, But 319 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: then to know that twenty years from now, the likelihood 320 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 3: is that you can still owe all that you borrowed 321 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 3: because as a person of color, as a black person, 322 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 3: So imagine what life would look like if you had 323 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: that student loan debt like eliminated. Imagine the house you 324 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: could buy, the children, you can have the business exactly 325 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 3: and so like, you know, because they. 326 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: Tell us and the stress that that also on top 327 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: of everything else. 328 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: I know a woman who is going to save a 329 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: million dollars in student loans. She's a doctor, went to 330 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: you know, medical school, took out hundreds of thousand dollars 331 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 3: worth of debt, and she said, by the time she 332 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: was finished paying it off, it would have been probably 333 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 3: close to a million dollars just because of the terrance, 334 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 3: you know, and she got her do the loan debt 335 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: forgiven she was in t your life change. She said, 336 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 3: I could have a family now, maybe I could buy 337 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 3: a house. 338 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: People were putting off having families getting married, decided absolutely 339 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: because of student loan debt in this country. 340 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: You know, we gotta pivot a little bit here. I 341 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: know Stacy was getting ready to do it. 342 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 3: We're pivoting. 343 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: We have a vision and point, just one quick tip, 344 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: what should entrepreneurs do for their mid check in? And 345 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: then we're pivoting to where we want to go. 346 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 3: So as an entrepreneur, twenty twenty three was rough. It 347 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 3: was almost no budget eat to y'all because it was 348 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: a Yes, it was a really rough year. 349 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty four has been about recovering for yeah, and 350 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three for most of us. 351 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: And so one of the things that I did right 352 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: was that I had six months of emergency savings. And 353 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: so if you are halfway through the year as a business, 354 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: I want you to look and say, how much does 355 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: it cost to run my business? And get yourself as 356 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: quickly as you can to six to twelve months. Microsoft 357 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: has twelve months, and ask yourself why, because it will 358 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: give you six months to a year to figure it out. 359 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: So by the end of twenty twenty three, I had 360 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: one month left, so it took me five months to 361 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: turn the company back around. But imagine if I only 362 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 3: had three or two money. Honestly, I just would have 363 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: paid out of pocket. I would have to take from 364 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 3: Tiffany's bond to fund the Budgetista And so number one 365 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: thing as a as an entrepreneur, because we don't know 366 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: what the future holds, is to look to see how 367 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: much does it cost to run your business? How much 368 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: do I have set aside for savings, and just to 369 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 3: look to see are there other places that you're kind 370 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 3: of wasting money? It might be time to let some 371 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: people go, cause I don't like to let people go 372 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: during the holiday season. So now is the time. If 373 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: someone is not doing all that they could do, now's 374 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: the time so they can have you know they have 375 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 3: there's in September. There's a big hiring push in September, 376 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: and so like, now's the time. If you just know 377 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: someone is not performing, you give them the chance to 378 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: find something in September. 379 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: Right, they mentioned CDs as a good place to do 380 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: your emergency saving. 381 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 3: So for as a business. So the bank that I 382 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: bank with, which I'm not saying cause they don't pay me, 383 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: that they have programs that we're like they have, I 384 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 3: asked them, I said, where can it? Cause it costs 385 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: seven figure to run my company in six months, right, 386 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 3: And so I'm like, I don't want to just sitting 387 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: and checking right. And at first they were like, oh no, no, no, no, 388 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: I don't know, and I was just like no, you know, 389 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: so I kept bugging them. They're finally like, well, you know, 390 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: we have these. 391 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 4: Business CDs and I think it's like four or five percent. 392 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: So imagine seven figures earning five percent and six months 393 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: that's just sitting there, you know. And it was another 394 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 3: program if they had that were vetting because I don't 395 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: your money should be working. 396 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, even always say that my money's got to work. 397 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: It can't just sit lazy. 398 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 4: Yes, but you also want it working. 399 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 3: But you also want it accessible, you know, because you 400 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: want that if you're actually in an emergency. So what 401 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: I like to do is I would keep If I 402 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: have six months and there's a three month CD, I 403 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: would keep three months out put three months into a CD. 404 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 3: That way, if something happens, I have access to three months, 405 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: and when the CD matures, I have access to the rest. 406 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: Okay, now, Tiffany, oh lord, you know we didn't falow 407 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: your journey and a lot of people, so what you 408 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: went through again, you know, it was very unfortunate. 409 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 5: We sent you a. 410 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: Lot of love and I felt it. 411 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely know when when your husband passed, but you 412 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: did mention after and that was three years ago. But 413 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: now you have found someone, like you said, you're off 414 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: of hinge so you had to not just delete the 415 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: app but also unsubscribed. 416 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 5: You can't. 417 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was for love. 418 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't looking for yes, And you know, you being 419 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 1: the budget nistaid, there's a lot of things that we 420 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: talk about when it comes to being in a relationship 421 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: and money. So tell us about what this journey's been like, 422 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: and what it was like for you starting with someone new, 423 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: and what kind of conversations you had. 424 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 3: So in the beginning, I said, you know, because the loneliness. 425 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: At first, I was just looking to kind of fill 426 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 3: a void, like I just want my phone ring, That's 427 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 3: what I would say, because I had such a good 428 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: relationship with my husband and best friend. We talked, we laughed, 429 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 3: and I wasn't even looking at date other than just 430 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: male energy that I could talk and laugh with, Dave, 431 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: whoever you want, because I'm not trying to be your one. 432 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 4: And I made it very clear. 433 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: Which was strange though, is that everybody wanted to wipe up. 434 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 4: I'm like where was she when I. 435 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 3: Was twenty eight thirty trying to get wiped up? Now 436 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 3: you big grown men want to be like, nah, I 437 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 3: want you to be my girl. I was like, I'm 438 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 3: not interested, and I wasn't, you know, because nobody can compare. 439 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 4: You know. 440 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 3: But it took a lot of therapy to realize that 441 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 3: I'm not looking for a replacement. No one is ever 442 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 3: going to compare, you know, that it can still be 443 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: good but different. And so I just opened myself up 444 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 3: to like dating more intentionally. And it's actually somebody I 445 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: knew from some years back, Like I want to say, 446 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 3: I probably met them like fifteen plus years ago, and 447 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 3: I used to run in the same circle and then, 448 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 3: you know, and we were been cool. But you know, 449 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 3: I never thought I mean, sure, I thought he was handsome, 450 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 3: but black men are handsome, you know, so but I 451 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 3: never thought of him that way. 452 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 4: But then. 453 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 3: His grandmother actually lives around the corner for me, and 454 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 3: that's how we reconnected, okay, because he had asked me 455 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: a question about something she'd sold her house. She'd made 456 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 3: some money from it, and then he just reached out 457 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 3: to say what should she do? And I said, well, 458 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 3: I just walk on the corner to see Granny and 459 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 3: talk to her. So then we reconnected and we honestly 460 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: just started with walking. We just walk and talk, you know, 461 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: because like I said, I wasn't interested in like deeper partnership, 462 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 3: and so as a result of that, we really developed, 463 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 3: like really enhanced like the little bit of friendship that 464 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: we already had. And so it was nice to not 465 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 3: have to have to explain myself to someone or to like, 466 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 3: you know, for people, because when I was on the apps, 467 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: every once in a while somebody would say, but the 468 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 3: next time, I'm like block because I would put on 469 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: the apps, so like my teacher, they're like, I know you. 470 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 3: So it was nice not to have to worry about 471 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 3: like is this person here? But even with him, you know, 472 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 3: I thought about that too, how could you not? But 473 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 3: what really won me over is that I remember we 474 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 3: were talking one day. I used to like literally almost 475 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 3: walk every day and cry, like I was just called 476 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: my daily walk and cry because I just missed my 477 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 3: husband so much. And he called me one day and 478 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: I was like, I don't want to talk right now. 479 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 3: He's like, what are you doing? I'm like walking and crying. 480 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 3: Mine of my business? He was like you can walk 481 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 3: a cry and met with me. So he stayed on 482 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 3: the phone as I just cried and walked, and I thought, okay. 483 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 3: And he told me one time that like I was 484 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 3: bringing up Jerell's name a lot, and I just stopped myself. 485 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 3: He said, no, you don't ever have to stop yourself 486 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 3: from bringing up your husband's name. He said, I know 487 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 3: that if we are going to be together, it's me, 488 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 3: you and him. And I know I get this version 489 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: of you because of the way he loved you. And 490 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 3: I didn't get this Tiffany unless he was here. So 491 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 3: I'm grateful for him. And I don't ever want you 492 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 3: to think that you can't bring him up. And I said, oh, 493 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 3: that's when I kind of cracked open a little bit, 494 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: you know, cause I was just like, okay, you know, 495 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 3: I needed a place where I can safely yes, to 496 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 3: love my husband still, but also to be open to 497 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 3: someone else. 498 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 4: And somebody might be like, well, if you really love 499 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 4: your husband, then you. 500 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 3: Wouldn't be and that's not true. Imagine you have a 501 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 3: kid like I can imagine, Like you know, you have 502 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: your first child, you think to yourself, my heart can 503 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: never get bigger, because how could it like I've heard like, 504 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 3: I have not given birth, but I've heard mother say, like, 505 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 3: you know, your first kid, you're like at me all 506 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 3: the way open. 507 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 4: And then you have your second you don't say, well child, because. 508 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 3: What happened, yes, right, But what happens is that the 509 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 3: unique thing about love is that the more you love, 510 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 3: it expands your capacity for more and love. So me 511 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 3: being able to love my husband so well and be 512 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 3: loved by him so well, it expanded my capacity that 513 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 3: I can love someone as well. 514 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 2: And when we were having girl talk about this, you 515 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: were saying that one of the things you wanted to 516 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: get out to people is that there is life after grief. 517 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 5: Yes, And I love how your positioning. 518 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: It's not like life after, it's just embracing all of it. 519 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 4: Yes, And because I'll never not be grieving, right. 520 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: And you also said it's important to set expectations. 521 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. So one of the things I like most about 522 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 3: him is that we talk about everything, but we can 523 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: have the hard conversations gently. 524 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 4: We do like a monthly check. 525 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: In and say how are you feeling? Do you feel connected? 526 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 3: You know, like we read books together. He's like really 527 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 3: well read, he's got his master's, really smart and so 528 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 3: I you know, I really love the fact that we 529 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 3: can connect. So you have to look for what you're wanting. 530 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 3: Like for some women, like for almost every man that 531 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 3: I date, just because of the success of my business, 532 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 3: I'm gonna make more, you know, Like there are some 533 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 3: men that you know that reached out and wanted to 534 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 3: date who didn't make more than me. 535 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 4: But that's not as much because girl, you know, we 536 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 4: were making that crowd, you know. 537 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: But you know, but despite that, I just wasn't interested 538 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: because there wasn't a kindness there. There wasn't this gentleness. 539 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 3: There wasn't this space to grieve and to be myself. 540 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 3: There wasn't. So I know, all the girl is be 541 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 3: like and I want me a millionaire, dude, I'm like, 542 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 3: I've dated some of them and y'all can have it. 543 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: And tiffany one of my fans tell me she was like, 544 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 1: I wish I had money so I could date who 545 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: I went to women. 546 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 5: Somebody told me that, Yeah, yeah, because for me, I'm 547 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 5: not out fighting for my life. 548 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, because the thing if I was a single mom 549 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: with two jobs trying to figure out, honestly, you date differently, 550 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 3: I would I would have to if I was still 551 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 3: preschool teacher Tiffany making thirty five thousand dollars a year, 552 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 3: it would look different. But for me, I do not 553 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 3: need My husband made significantly less than me. 554 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: You know, he helped you, yeah where you're right tell us. 555 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: Story, yes, yeah, yeah, but well for me, I mean 556 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: like when I first met Jirell, I was a preschool teacher. 557 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: He was a maintenance man in the building and I 558 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 3: remember I was just starting to think about the budgetista 559 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 3: and he was like, you should do it, yo, Like 560 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 3: you know what because Jerau is very Newark and he 561 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: was like, oh my god. He worked for house and 562 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 3: he was like we just had this dude talk to 563 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 3: us about money and housing. He was boring, not you big, you. 564 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 4: Could do it. 565 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 3: So it really pushed me. 566 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 5: Yes, he really was, Oh my god. 567 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: I remember like I for forget. I was like, you know, 568 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 3: dejaah on her show and he called me while I'm 569 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: on the show talking about I hear you on the show. 570 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm live st that why during the show. 571 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 4: So he was my ultimate height man. 572 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 3: And I remember like I was like it was down 573 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: bad and I was just kind of like the business 574 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: was just starting to take off a little bit and 575 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 3: we were grown by the time we started really dating, 576 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 3: dating in my mid thirties, and he was like, you 577 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 3: should just live with me. 578 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 4: And I was like, well, okay, we can exploit rent. 579 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 3: He was like, now when I look like you split 580 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 3: and rent and splitting bills when I'm already paying them, 581 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 3: just come live with me. And so even though because 582 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: he worked for housing, we lived on campus. I think 583 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: reht was like nine something, so it wasn't like a 584 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 3: tremendous amount of money, but not having to worry about that. 585 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 3: I don't think so many men think you have to 586 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 3: have a ton of money in order to provide and 587 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 3: support and protect. That's not true. Like Durell was really 588 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 3: good at figuring out ways, like like you come stay 589 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 3: with me. I might not say here's the money to 590 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 3: pay your rent, but I will pay my rent and 591 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:26,959 Speaker 3: you can live here. 592 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 4: You ain't got to worry about it. 593 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 3: Like every time I went on a trip to speak 594 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 3: or whatever, I didn't have to touch touch not one bag. Right, 595 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna bring it to the you know. 596 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 3: Like that was so when I landed. You good, where 597 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 3: you're at, what you're doing, what you you know, like 598 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 3: I knew he would. 599 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 5: He got you. 600 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 3: I mean always he would say this thing where like caay, 601 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 3: nothing touch you before going through me, you know, and 602 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 3: so like. 603 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 4: But that's what I mean. 604 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 3: And this is a man who continued to work for 605 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: housing and you know it was a super but I 606 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 3: don't know that he ever made over sixty seventy thousand 607 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: dollars with the average black man. 608 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: And you said you turned down the noise on that 609 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: when people were. 610 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: Like yeah, because people would tell you here's the thing. 611 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: Women who are looking for someone, you get to decide 612 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 3: what you need because social media. 613 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 5: Will have you alone, right, absolutly alone. 614 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: I'm not saying you should not date the bus drive, 615 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 3: you should strives. I don't care. 616 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 2: Girl. 617 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: It's all an individual decision based on what you want 618 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: to do in your life. Yes, And there's no one 619 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: size fits all, not at all solution when it comes 620 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: to dating now. 621 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 4: And I would have missed out on the most amazing 622 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 4: love possible, like my husband's love healed me, you know, 623 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 4: and I'm able to now be in partnership in an 624 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 4: even better place because of that love, right you know. 625 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 5: So yes, and he would want this for you. He 626 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 5: would want you to be protected and happy, you know, so. 627 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 3: I mean, but yeah, so now yeah, I'm I'm partnered 628 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 3: and you know, he is a beautiful, wonderful, smart person, and. 629 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 4: I get to grow on top of what I had before, 630 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 4: and like, you. 631 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 3: Know, just the communication is for me and this should 632 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't care what you have on your list. 633 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 3: Let communication be at the top. 634 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 4: Of it to be able to talk through thing. 635 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 2: Tell us some tips for having the money talk couples. 636 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 3: So yeah, we had it very early on, you know, 637 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 3: which was like, here's my expectation that like you should 638 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 3: be able to take care of yourself and also too, 639 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 3: like if we're gonna go out on a date, I 640 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 3: actually didn't want anyone. Don't overextend yourself, like you know, like, oh, 641 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 3: you're paying for a five hundred dollars dinner. Everything that 642 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 3: doesn't make sense to me because now I'm anxious, and 643 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 3: I know you anxious. Date within the range of what 644 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 3: makes sense, you know, like if you can afford that 645 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 3: we go to like a modest restaurant or whatever. Okay, 646 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 3: if it's like yo, it's really tight right now, you know, 647 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 3: let's go for a walk instead, I'm okay with that, 648 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: you know. So I much. For me, what I find 649 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: unattractive is financial irresponsibility. Okay, so that's what I find 650 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 3: because here's the thing. Let's just say, you know, you're 651 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 3: dating for marriage and you rack up your credit card 652 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 3: to impress me. So many women end up getting married 653 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 3: and then up paying that credit card bill anyway. 654 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 4: Right right? 655 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: I don't want that, right, and I don't want us 656 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: to get married. And you're responsible with when it becomes 657 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: our money. 658 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 3: Yes, you know. 659 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: So, because people have such a hesitation talking about their 660 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: financial circumstance, it is best to be open and honest. 661 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: But closer. 662 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 3: Well it's hard, right because not everybody wants to hear them. 663 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 3: That's what you have to keep looking, you know. And 664 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: like that honesty, that transparency, Like we used to call 665 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 3: it radical transparency. Like when he and I talk, I'm like, 666 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 3: let's just be radically transparent. What are you thinking, what 667 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 3: are you feeling, what's making you feel? Like when Jirell 668 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 3: is here, sometimes he would say that, like sometimes I 669 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 3: feel bad, baby, because you make so much more than me, 670 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: and like, you know, how does that even work? Are you? 671 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 2: You know? 672 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 4: And I would have to be like, no, this is 673 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 4: this is what we bring you know to the table. 674 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 3: This is why it is. 675 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 4: It is the money part is easy. What you bring 676 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 4: is so much better. 677 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 5: I wouldn't be able to go out and make this 678 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 5: money if I didn't have this support. 679 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 3: Because to know that, Like I remember once he was like, 680 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 3: if you want to quit Budgeonista, you'll all scrap metal. 681 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 3: I will, you know, like I will work over time. 682 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 3: I knew that there was no hitting the floor. And 683 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 3: so there are ways to show for your partner, but 684 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 3: both people have to be willing. The key to me 685 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 3: to truly connected wonderful partnership is each person is working 686 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: on themselves individually to be better, and then they are 687 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 3: willing to work on the relationship together to better. 688 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: I always say that two whole people coming together is 689 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,239 Speaker 1: the best that you get. It's not two halves make 690 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: a whole, you know. 691 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 2: So yeah, so this mid year financial. 692 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 3: He's gonna be like, did she talk about don't get gassed? 693 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 2: Why Tiffany is the book is made whole And as 694 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 2: you can see, there's a lot more to money than 695 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: dollars and cents. Made whole. For your midiyear financial check in, 696 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 2: you need a goal sheet and she has made it 697 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: really easy as a free resource, free resource for all 698 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: of you. 699 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: So it's just gonna be super easy. Just find me 700 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 3: the budget and he's still on Instagram, and just d 701 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 3: m me the word goals and I will send you 702 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 3: that free goal midiar check in resource sheet and just 703 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 3: start like like we mentioned before, figure out where you 704 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 3: were in the beginning of the year, write down what 705 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: your goals are. Now, find you an accountability partner, have 706 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 3: regular check in. 707 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: Okay, we love our budgnise to follow her so much 708 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: and I'm so happy and you touched us today, honestly, like, 709 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank. 710 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 5: You, thank you. 711 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: Happy Wealth Wednesday everybody, and don't forget to follow Wealth 712 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: Wednesdays on Instagram and to go to Teamwealth Wednesdays dot 713 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: com for our free newsletter. 714 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 3: Well