WEBVTT - How X-Rays Work

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Chuck, you're almost done. Everybody with the science playlist.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope all of our egghead friends out there got

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<v Speaker 1>into this one. This one is I feel like quite

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<v Speaker 1>a while ago, but it's about X rays. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>How X Rays Work, and it's super nerdy and super fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Give it a listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from HowStuffWorks dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with

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<v Speaker 3>Charles W. Chuck Bryan as always, and there's Jerry over

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<v Speaker 3>there fiddlin around with stuff. So it's Stuff you should

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<v Speaker 3>know the podcast, not Stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 4>The movie.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, you know, we're sworn to secrecy about that.

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be a good movie. That'd be a bad movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, Man, it could go either way. I

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<v Speaker 3>always see I imagine it like Strange Brew.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yes, they could base it on the Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you Should Know Tell All book I'm writing. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be very exciting to be I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 3>to that book like.

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<v Speaker 1>A Lifetime movie of the Week.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you like switch people's names like am I Joe?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Joe Clack, Yeah exactly. Now it's sort of like like,

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<v Speaker 1>did you see the Say It by the Bell movie?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I didn't Screech write a book. It was based

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<v Speaker 3>on a book by Screech. Right, Yeah, wasn't it like

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<v Speaker 3>all sex and drugs and stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it was, you know, it was a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>teenagers in Hollywood, So sure there was some of that

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<v Speaker 1>in there, but it was I didn't read the book.

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<v Speaker 1>But the movie was bad and not nearly as sealacious

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<v Speaker 1>as he wanted it to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. I remember a lot of people being disappointed, and

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<v Speaker 3>I remember, I mean, I recall the like two weeks

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<v Speaker 3>ago when people were talking about it when it came out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's stunk. I'll watch Emily and I'll watch some of

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<v Speaker 1>those just terrible, terrible biopics occasionally on TV, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it can be fun. Like we watched the who was

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<v Speaker 1>the one actor? Brittany Murphy? The Britney Murphy story?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really? Does she have a heck of a story?

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<v Speaker 3>Is she alive still or did she die?

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<v Speaker 1>No, she passed away because under kind of weird circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>because she and her husband both passed away within weeks

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<v Speaker 1>of each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Weird.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were all these strange claims that her house

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<v Speaker 1>was poisoned, that they were poisoned, and yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fun.

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<v Speaker 3>What's your take on it?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? I don't know, just that the movie wasn't very good.

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<v Speaker 3>Who played Brittany Murphy? Do you remember so many Bowen?

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't it? No, she's in all of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone who didn't look very much like Britney Murphy, Julie Bowen.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was right.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ashton Kutcher guy was pretty good, though, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Gotta say Steve Jobs played him.

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<v Speaker 1>They should have just gotten Ashton Kutcher to play himself.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not doing much. He's on what two and a

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<v Speaker 3>half Men?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's got to require fifteen minutes of work a week.

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<v Speaker 1>He's selling cameras.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember when that whole two and a half

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<v Speaker 3>Men thing was going down? We were in La and

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<v Speaker 3>for the one and only time in my entire life,

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<v Speaker 3>I see John Cryer that day.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, during the Charlie Sheen mel.

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<v Speaker 3>Meltdown like the day of the meltdown, like it happened

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<v Speaker 3>at night. And within eight hours I saw John Cryer

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<v Speaker 3>for the first time in person at a McDonald's. Did

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<v Speaker 3>gel ducky No, I left him alone he looks stressed out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, he's probably like, my career is going down

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<v Speaker 1>the tubes, but little did he know.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a survivor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, his career is just fun. Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>So x rays. Yeah, that's what we're talking.

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<v Speaker 1>About, right, Yep. That the lightest part of this podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I like this one. This one. It's one of those

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<v Speaker 3>things where if you can just hang on by your fingernails,

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<v Speaker 3>it can click and then you lose it again, but

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<v Speaker 3>that means that it could click again later on. That's

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<v Speaker 3>what I like about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Good. I'll leave that to you. I got lots of

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff about it. Oh you do, but I totally understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>Good.

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<v Speaker 3>So have you ever broken anything and needed an X

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<v Speaker 3>ray or has it all just been dental stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>You know it? Dude? Never broken a bone?

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<v Speaker 3>Knock on wood?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I've had my injuries were always stitches.

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<v Speaker 1>I was always getting busted open, oh yeah, rocks and sprinklers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was always getting cut yeah and sewed back up.

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<v Speaker 1>But I never broke a bone.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great. Yeah, you should probably knocking on old one

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<v Speaker 3>more time, just to be safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh so, Yeah, all of my X rays too, have

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<v Speaker 3>been like just going to the dentist or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You never had a bone broken.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to say, because I don't even know

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<v Speaker 3>if knocking on wood will.

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<v Speaker 1>Do it on lambin at ikea.

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<v Speaker 3>That would just be so horribly interesting if both of

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<v Speaker 3>us broke a bone after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we're at the age where like you should

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<v Speaker 1>break bones when you're a kid, where you're like, eh, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>I get a cast at this age, it's a drag.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember reading like a Tom Clancy novel and like

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<v Speaker 3>some kid got an arm torn off or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 3>one of the surgeons was like, if the arm's in

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<v Speaker 3>the same room as the kid, it can be healed.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>That doesn't hold true in you're Tom Clancy's age.

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<v Speaker 1>No, So.

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<v Speaker 3>You are familiar with X rays, so you've seen them before,

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<v Speaker 3>you've watched er surely?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I've had X rays for like the

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<v Speaker 1>dental ones like you said, and then just other various

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<v Speaker 1>like uh like chest X rays for sicknesses and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that, which I think may be a little frivolous,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and kind of dangerous really Yeah, conceivably sure, which

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<v Speaker 3>we'll get into later. But did you were you familiar

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<v Speaker 3>with X rays at all. Beyond that, did you know

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<v Speaker 3>that they were invented or discovered accidentally?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I did know that.

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<v Speaker 3>I did not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the few things I know. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a little like Quickie short on some like it might

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<v Speaker 1>have been actually Science Channel.

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<v Speaker 3>I looked all over. The most I could find was

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<v Speaker 3>a dude on Siemens just describing it in the most.

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<v Speaker 1>Flat affect I've watched.

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<v Speaker 4>Video.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I got to five and five wouldn't load, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, forget this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if I've never loaded for me. I watched the

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<v Speaker 1>other fourteen though, and the whole time I was going, man,

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<v Speaker 1>these are a minute long, please join them all together

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<v Speaker 1>into one six minute video.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it was so weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was pretty silly, but he was he was good.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just very dry.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they spent zero pennies on any kind of

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<v Speaker 3>soundtrack or anything like if he grabs papers, you hear

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<v Speaker 3>papers wrestling in a classroom. It was pretty straightforward.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but that's a very wind about, roundabout way of

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<v Speaker 1>getting to it's discovery in eighteen ninety five by a

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<v Speaker 1>German physicist named Wilhelm Runtiken Nice, and he was testing

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<v Speaker 1>whether cathode rays could pass through glass, and he saw

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<v Speaker 1>that the fluorescent screen was glowing when he turned on

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<v Speaker 1>his electron beam, which wasn't a big deal, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, wait, this's got cardboard around it, right.

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<v Speaker 3>There shouldn't be any visible light escaping, which is silly

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<v Speaker 3>to think of. Now, well, yeah it is, but you

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<v Speaker 3>have to put yourself in his shoes like X hadn't

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<v Speaker 3>been discovered because he was literally on the verge of

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<v Speaker 3>discovering them, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, so he was like, this is very curious

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<v Speaker 3>that this is fluorescing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he noticed other things were glowing, and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>he started putting other objects between the tube and the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>They glowed the screen dead. That is finally put his

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<v Speaker 1>hand there.

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<v Speaker 3>I read his wife's hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really. He's like, either way, come.

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<v Speaker 3>In here for a second. Yeah, I want you to

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<v Speaker 3>try something.

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<v Speaker 1>And saw bones projected and then I guess probably poo

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<v Speaker 1>pooed his pants. It's a man, I think, come on

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<v Speaker 1>to something here. Yeah, it was really that quickly. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like immediately the application was clear. It wasn't one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things where it took twenty years. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, you can see bones. This could be really helpful. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And he won a Nobel Prize very rightfully so, the

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<v Speaker 1>first one ever for physics. And he named him X

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<v Speaker 1>rays because he didn't know what the heck it was. No,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly like kind of signing your name.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd probably right. I think he assumed that later on

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<v Speaker 3>future scientists would fill in the blanks, but they were like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>we're cool with X rays.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he probably thought that someone would eventually call it

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<v Speaker 1>like the Rundken ray or something.

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<v Speaker 3>He wasn't much of a self promoter. He was just like,

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<v Speaker 3>all this calum X rays is a placeholder.

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<v Speaker 1>And he didn't patent any anything, you know, he never

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<v Speaker 1>like made money off that.

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<v Speaker 3>And then just his wife had hand cancer as a result.

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<v Speaker 3>Really no, oh, I was laughing, but no, she did.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be their it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just a joke. You can proceed with the laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus, I've never heard a hand cancer.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gotta be out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And then a couple of years later they were already

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<v Speaker 1>using it in the Balkan War. Was the first time

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<v Speaker 1>it was really put to practical use with the.

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<v Speaker 3>First Balkan War, the one around World War.

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<v Speaker 1>One was that well, No, eighteen ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that Balkan war. I didn't know that existed until

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<v Speaker 3>just now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they said we can see bullets and trapnel

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff now, which is helpful.

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<v Speaker 3>It is extremely helpful. So, like this guy Runken discovers

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<v Speaker 3>X rays and their most practical application in one fell

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<v Speaker 3>swoop basically yep, And a little further study revealed the

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<v Speaker 3>X rays are actually just another part of the electromagnetic spectrum,

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<v Speaker 3>of which radio waves, microwaves what we call visible light. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>what else is on there?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've got my handy wallet electromagnetic spectrum card. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and X rays fall between gamma rays and ultraviolet rays

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<v Speaker 1>on that spectrum, which are all below. Well you say below,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's not really an above or

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<v Speaker 1>below situation visible light and then infrared, microwaven radio.

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<v Speaker 3>Waves, so it would be a higher or lower frequency,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's how the whole thing's divided.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So, like the visible spectrum of light consists of electromagnetic

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<v Speaker 3>radiation that has a frequency a wavelength that our eyes

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<v Speaker 3>are sensitized to, so we can pick up visible light.

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<v Speaker 3>There's plenty of other stuff on the spectrum of electromagnetic

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<v Speaker 3>radiation and all of it is delineated by the frequency

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<v Speaker 3>the wavelengths. So at the highest end you have gamma rays.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, yeah, that means the squiggly line is very

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<v Speaker 1>close together exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And then on the farthest end you have radio waves

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<v Speaker 3>that are like.

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<v Speaker 1>And that means the squiggly line is far apart exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>And that is called chuck science.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So back of my wallet xtra, right next to the

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<v Speaker 3>what else you have in there?

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<v Speaker 1>I just have my PAPS blue ribbon membership car, which

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<v Speaker 1>I actually do, do you really, Yeah, but I've had

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<v Speaker 1>it for like twenty years.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, when you got it when you're like seven eight?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you flatter me.

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<v Speaker 3>So X rays fall, I guess we're about in the well, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the higher and they have a higher frequency as far

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<v Speaker 3>as the electromagnetic spectrum goes. But the point is is

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<v Speaker 3>that it is ultimately the same thing. It's a it's

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<v Speaker 3>a type of electromagnetic energy that is carried on a photon,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a particle of what we would call light.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we talked about photons a plenty in the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and the same like photons produce the visible light that

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<v Speaker 1>we can see. Photons blast out from the Sun. How

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<v Speaker 1>long does it take?

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<v Speaker 3>Like it takes like one hundred thousand years to get

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<v Speaker 3>from the core to the surface and then like eight

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<v Speaker 3>minutes to get from the surface to Earth. That's right, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I love that fact.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the only part I understand, so I'll

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<v Speaker 1>lead with it. If you want to imagine an atom,

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<v Speaker 1>a nucleus of an atom and rings around that atiom

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<v Speaker 1>atiom that's a new word, an atom. As orbitals, when

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<v Speaker 1>an electron drops to a lower orbital, it releases energy

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<v Speaker 1>in the form of a photon.

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<v Speaker 3>And the electron will always drop to the lower orbital.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>So like if an orbital is if an electron is

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<v Speaker 3>kicked off of a lower orbital, an electron in the

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<v Speaker 3>higher orbital goes yeah and drops down to that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And depending on how far it drops, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to determine the energy level of that photon.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that it releases as energy when it drops, right, Yeah, Because.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have to drop more than one orbital, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you can skip down I don't even know how far,

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<v Speaker 1>but a long way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it can. And like you said, the greater the

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<v Speaker 3>distance between the two orbitals or the greater the energy differential,

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<v Speaker 3>the greater the energy that photon when released will have.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And as we said, photons are the energy carriers of

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<v Speaker 3>the electromagnetic spectrum. And depending on that energy or the

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<v Speaker 3>frequency the wavelength of that photon, that determines what kind

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<v Speaker 3>of photon it is, right, whether it's a radio photon

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<v Speaker 3>or an X ray photon, or a photon that we

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<v Speaker 3>can see that's in the visible spectrum.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Sometimes when these photons are flying around, they

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<v Speaker 1>will collide with other atoms, and sometimes those atoms absorb

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<v Speaker 1>that photon's energy and then kick it up to that

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<v Speaker 1>higher level.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, right, But it has to be from what I understand,

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<v Speaker 3>and I saw that there's like of course it's science,

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<v Speaker 3>so there's like atomic science, so there's little exceptions. Did

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<v Speaker 3>this and that? Sure, But from what I could see, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 3>there is the energy of that photon has to exactly

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<v Speaker 3>match the energy differential between one orbital and another on

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<v Speaker 3>an atom so that it can kick it up, so

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<v Speaker 3>that it hits that one electron in the lower orbital

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<v Speaker 3>kicks it up to the higher orbital and thus transfers

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<v Speaker 3>its energy, which means that atom just absorbed that energy

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<v Speaker 3>that that photon was carrying. Right, But if it's a

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<v Speaker 3>little less, it's not going to have the energy to

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<v Speaker 3>kick that electron up, which makes sense to me, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But if it's a little more, this is what doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>make sense to me. It doesn't kick the electron up,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the photon carries on in a diminished energetic state.

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<v Speaker 3>It just doesn't do anything. It doesn't interact with that.

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<v Speaker 3>It has to be exactly, say, like the energy differential

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<v Speaker 3>between orbits is eight, so a photon has to have

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<v Speaker 3>an energy of eight or else it's not going to

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<v Speaker 3>do anything with that atom.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, Okay, And so depending on the well, let's

0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.160
<v Speaker 1>say you have a radio wave. They don't have very

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<v Speaker 1>much energy, so they can't move electrons between these orbitals.

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<v Speaker 1>They just pass through things. X rays are super powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>There's lots of energy, so they can pass through things,

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<v Speaker 1>which is key if you want to check out your

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<v Speaker 1>bones from outside of your body.

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<v Speaker 3>It is and we're gonna explain exactly how right after this. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so we're back, Chuck, and you tantalized everybody by saying

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<v Speaker 3>that this difference in absorption is what produces X rays, right,

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<v Speaker 3>was that tantalizing? I was tantalized, okay, and I even

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<v Speaker 3>know it's coming, all right, that's how excited I am

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<v Speaker 3>about X rays.

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<v Speaker 1>Good.

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<v Speaker 3>So consider this, Like different atoms have different atomic weights,

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<v Speaker 3>they have different densities, they're just different, like different atoms are.

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<v Speaker 3>And atoms also have what are called differences in radiological density. Right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So a really high energy, high atomic weight, very dense

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<v Speaker 3>atom is going to be able to absorb a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of energy. Smaller atoms that maybe are looser and have

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<v Speaker 3>a lower atomic weight are going to get kicked around

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<v Speaker 3>by any old photon that wants to come along.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's key. Like I said, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to see bones because your soft tissue, if you've ever noticed,

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<v Speaker 1>when you have an X ray, you'll see the bones,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know the rest is sort of a grayish

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<v Speaker 1>black mess exactly because your soft tissue has smaller atoms.

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<v Speaker 1>Your bones calcium atoms are much larger, so they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to absorb those X ray photons.

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<v Speaker 3>It's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>They do it really well.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. So imagine you have let's say, Chuck, let's go

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<v Speaker 3>back and hang out with tuk tuk. Right, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 3>let's get back in the way back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a while.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, look at him over there.

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<v Speaker 3>So here we are in France in this cave, Tucktook

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<v Speaker 3>has his hand up against the cave wall, as you'll see,

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<v Speaker 3>and in his other hand he's got that little straw

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<v Speaker 3>filled with pigment, red pigment. He's blowing it on his hand, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And now that he moves his hand away, there's the

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<v Speaker 3>outline of his hand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called a stencil, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>He's just made an early stencil. He's like a banksy,

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<v Speaker 3>basically like a caveman banksy. But if you look at

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<v Speaker 3>the back of Tuktok's hand, don't get too close, but

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<v Speaker 3>look at the back of his hand, it's covered in

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<v Speaker 3>red pigment. Right, So if you can, if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to equate this to an X ray, the hand absorbed

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<v Speaker 3>all of that pigment, and the stuff that passed through

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<v Speaker 3>left the picture on the cave wall. That's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>what happens with an X ray, except with an X

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<v Speaker 3>ray photograph. The X ray photons are absorbed by the

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<v Speaker 3>denser calcium rich bones, yes, and they pass through the

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<v Speaker 3>softer tissue. So the picture that we have is the

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<v Speaker 3>outline the silhouette of the bones because the X rays

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<v Speaker 3>made it through the tissue. Didn't make it through the bones.

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<v Speaker 3>They made it through the tissue and onto the X

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<v Speaker 3>ray plate, which absorbed the picture in negative.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And I'm glad you said picture, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>all it is. On the other side of the human being.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that they're shooting the X ray at there's

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<v Speaker 1>a camera and you're just gonna get a regular negative,

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<v Speaker 1>and they could make it a positive, but they leave

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<v Speaker 1>it as a negative because you really don't need the

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<v Speaker 1>positive image, right, And that's what they'll put on that

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<v Speaker 1>little screen to show you your cracked femur.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, And they can see the crack because some of

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<v Speaker 3>those X rays will make it through the gap. That's right, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So all you're seeing is the result of X rays

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<v Speaker 3>that made it through the tissue. We're absorbed by the bone,

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<v Speaker 3>so those don't make it to the plate. The ones

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<v Speaker 3>that make it to the plate cause the chemical reaction

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<v Speaker 3>that gives you your negative, your X ray. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's pretty simple, really like if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 3>at least in principle. It's also extraordinarily difficult to conceive of.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you understand like the principle behind it, it

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<v Speaker 3>makes uttering complete sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's a pretty focused shot that they're using there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like they don't fill the entire room with

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<v Speaker 1>X rays. You know. They've got a thick lead shield

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<v Speaker 1>around the whole device and it you know, contains everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's got a little small window that's just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>let that narrow beam pass through through a series of

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<v Speaker 1>filters and basically hit you wherever they want to hit you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And the reason that they use lead is because

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<v Speaker 3>lead is an extremely dense element, yeah element, yes, right, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh gotta hope, so with a very high atomic no,

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<v Speaker 3>which means it can absorb tons of energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, that's why you're gonna wear a lead apron

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not you know, if you're getting your skull done,

0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:09.880
<v Speaker 1>you're probably gonna wear an apron on your chest. Let's say.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, so you're so, this lead is being bombarded with

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<v Speaker 3>X ray, photons and electrons and it's just taken it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fine, and it's not being able to it's not

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<v Speaker 3>able to pass through because it doesn't have high enough energy.

0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.480
<v Speaker 3>But yes, they when they put that little window in

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<v Speaker 3>the X ray generating machine. It passes right through there

0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:34.399
<v Speaker 3>and a concentrated beam and Chuck, let's talk about the machine, right, So,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is basically what we use as X ray machines.

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<v Speaker 3>Is essentially what Routkin was, what Made was experimenting with

0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.439
<v Speaker 3>when he accidentally discovered them. Because if you look for

0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.400
<v Speaker 3>X rays like they're they propagate naturally. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>like twenty percent of the X rays on Earth come

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<v Speaker 3>from humans. Oh really, yeah, like we generate a lot

0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.320
<v Speaker 3>of X rays. They don't they don't come like you

0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:01.840
<v Speaker 3>don't find them normally on Earth. They're coming from outer

0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.800
<v Speaker 3>space to us. Okay, hence X ray astronomy. But the

0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.960
<v Speaker 3>ones here on Earth that are generated on Earth, it's

0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.560
<v Speaker 3>not like rocks put out X rays or something like that, right,

0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.720
<v Speaker 3>we do. We humans do. Humans and light aprons put

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<v Speaker 3>out X rays and they use this machine like root

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<v Speaker 3>Gin made.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what you have in the machine, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>an electrode pair, cathode and an anode and that's inside

0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:29.719
<v Speaker 1>a good old fashioned glass vacuum tube. Which it's amazing

0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:31.720
<v Speaker 1>how vacuum tubes are still like the best way to

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<v Speaker 1>do many of these things.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it it allows things to travel at the speed

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<v Speaker 3>of light easily.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, and allows guitar amps to sound great.

0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:40.679
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know these vacuums in that. Oh is that

0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:41.920
<v Speaker 3>a cathode tube? Yeah?

0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like a like the best amps are still made

0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.479
<v Speaker 1>with vacuum tubes. You can get solid state amps, but

0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:50.840
<v Speaker 1>they're just the sound isn't as rich. So it's kind

0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:52.960
<v Speaker 1>of like this old technology that's still superior.

0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.359
<v Speaker 3>Right. They're all pumped out by hand by a ninety

0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.080
<v Speaker 3>year old man in Tennessee.

0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:01.919
<v Speaker 1>Mister Marshall. Yes, no, uh So. The cathode is a

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<v Speaker 1>heated filament, just like you might see in a light bulb,

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<v Speaker 1>and the machine's are gonna pass the current through that

0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.160
<v Speaker 1>and heat that thing up, and then it's gonna spit

0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:14.640
<v Speaker 1>electrons off that surface, and it's gonna hit a disc

0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:18.600
<v Speaker 1>made of tungsten, and it's gonna draw those across a tube.

0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.520
<v Speaker 1>It's basically the tube is sort of the key piece.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, because you've got the positive and the and the

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<v Speaker 3>negative charge the cathode and the anode, right, Yeah, and

0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:33.760
<v Speaker 3>that difference that electrical charge draws as electrons down to

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<v Speaker 3>the anode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with a lot of force.

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And that force means that when those electrons hit

0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:44.679
<v Speaker 3>the tungsten anode, it knocks a bunch of electrons off,

0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.560
<v Speaker 3>creates a bunch of X rays in the process, and

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<v Speaker 3>you have a whole box filled with X ray radiation,

0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.159
<v Speaker 3>a box full of X rays. That's exactly what it is,

0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.040
<v Speaker 3>like you're just I mean, they might as well be

0:21:58.119 --> 0:21:59.800
<v Speaker 3>like a foot crank to this thing, like an old

0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:04.159
<v Speaker 3>sowing machine. For as technologically advanced as it is, there.

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<v Speaker 1>May be for all I know, I don't know what

0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.080
<v Speaker 1>goes on in that other room.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, you know true, there's some dude in there

0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.720
<v Speaker 3>with like his right leg is three times more muscular

0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:15.479
<v Speaker 3>than his left leg because that's the only one who

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<v Speaker 3>uses So in addition, like I said, to X rays

0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:25.000
<v Speaker 3>being created, the other X rays, other photons can go

0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:28.080
<v Speaker 3>on and knock more electrons off. So you have what's

0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.160
<v Speaker 3>like a process of chain reaction starting.

0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:30.359
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:32.720
<v Speaker 3>It's not like one gets hit and then that's it

0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.440
<v Speaker 3>and a photon's created. It just hangs around until it's

0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:39.000
<v Speaker 3>beamed out. Right, You're just generating this huge amount of

0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:41.919
<v Speaker 3>X rays, and the X rays are also continuing to

0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:45.600
<v Speaker 3>propagate themselves because they're knocking more electrons free. And the

0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:48.920
<v Speaker 3>more free electrons you have, the more interactions you have, right, right,

0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:52.080
<v Speaker 3>So one of the ways that more electrons can be

0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.720
<v Speaker 3>knocked off. You don't even need a direct transfer of energy,

0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:59.240
<v Speaker 3>where a photon is absorbed or knocks an electron from

0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:02.439
<v Speaker 3>one orbit to another, or knocks it loose entirely. A

0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:08.560
<v Speaker 3>photon actually has this really cool capability of just orbiting

0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 3>close by the nucleus of an atom, and when the

0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:16.320
<v Speaker 3>nucleus basically draws it into its orbit, the photon just

0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:17.680
<v Speaker 3>takes a hard left turn.

0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it just bumps it off its course.

0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 3>But even like the dodge viper has to like slow

0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 3>down to take a left turn, slow a little bit, right,

0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:28.760
<v Speaker 3>just a little, just a little yeah. But that little

0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:33.880
<v Speaker 3>bit in photon world means a transfer of energy from

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:35.440
<v Speaker 3>the photon outward.

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.080
<v Speaker 3>And then the photon, like the photon takes that left

0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 3>turn and the energy is transferred to the atom.

0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:45.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And one of the byproducts. If this sounds like

0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna create a lot of heat, it's because it will.

0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 1>And in order to combat this, they rotate this anode

0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:53.639
<v Speaker 1>to keep it. It would just melt down if you

0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:57.280
<v Speaker 1>kept it in place, and apparently there's a cool oil

0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:00.720
<v Speaker 1>bath that helps absorb heat as well, which I never

0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:01.840
<v Speaker 1>have heard of that either.

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:05.120
<v Speaker 3>It sounds oily a cool oil bat. Yeah, it doesn't

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 3>sound refreshing at all. It sounds like the opposite of refreshing.

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Cool and oil don't really go together.

0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:12.400
<v Speaker 3>No, Yeah, and I misspoke. That's an electron that can

0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 3>be drawn into the nucleus of an atom, appropriately enough,

0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.399
<v Speaker 3>because they orbit nuclei anyway, right, But it doesn't have

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:22.720
<v Speaker 3>to hook up with that atom. When it takes that

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.399
<v Speaker 3>hard left, it emits the photon like you said.

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:27.920
<v Speaker 1>That's right, And like I said earlier, there's a camera

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the patient and it's going

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.120
<v Speaker 1>to record that pattern of light when it passes through

0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:36.879
<v Speaker 1>the body. And it's not so different from a regular camera.

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:39.719
<v Speaker 1>And then the injur're just gonna get a picture, like

0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I said, a negative image.

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And if you hook it up with a computer

0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 3>that allows you to take X rays basically in slices,

0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:49.400
<v Speaker 3>you can come up with commuter computerized tomography.

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you aka CT, right, a CT scan exactly.

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:57.400
<v Speaker 3>If you use if you get a breast exam, you're

0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 3>using a type of X ray called mimmography yep. And

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 3>then there's a fluoroscopy, which the man in the extraordinarily

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:11.480
<v Speaker 3>dry presentation from Semens said was basically like moving picture.

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:15.679
<v Speaker 3>It's like exactly, and then he showed us what the

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 3>movie is with a flip book, right.

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 1>That old flip book trick.

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 3>And if you listen to this podcast, I'm sorry. I

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 3>just want to apologize for both of us. Semens guy.

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, like, hats off to you for doing that

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:29.120
<v Speaker 3>at all.

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because he's probably saying, well, at least I was

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.160
<v Speaker 1>correct and everything I said exactly.

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:38.360
<v Speaker 3>It's a good point, sir. But with fluoroscopy, it's basically

0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:41.920
<v Speaker 3>like a movie of an X ray movie, and you

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 3>would do this to make sure like a heart is

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 3>beating correctly because you wanted to see it. But you

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:51.240
<v Speaker 3>have to have an additional instrument because, as we've said,

0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 3>X rays will pass through tissue like heart tissue and

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.680
<v Speaker 3>muscle tissue and all and blood vessels and all this stuff.

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:00.679
<v Speaker 3>You want to get pictures of you an X ray,

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:03.359
<v Speaker 3>so you have to use something called the contrast media

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:03.679
<v Speaker 3>for it.

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:07.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. A contrast agent is basically more dense than the

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>soft tissue. So if you want to let's say swallow.

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:15.439
<v Speaker 1>It's usually like a barium compound. If you want to

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:19.160
<v Speaker 1>examine like your blood vessels or your circulatory system, you're

0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 1>sometimes they can inject that, or you might drink it

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 1>to see if you're doing like a gastro intestinal like

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:27.480
<v Speaker 1>a GI tract. You're going to swallow that stuff, which

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:29.119
<v Speaker 1>I've never had to do. I think my dad had

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 1>to do that. Yeah, I don't think it's super pleasant.

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:34.160
<v Speaker 3>I get the impression not too but my dad did

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:34.640
<v Speaker 3>it as well.

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's an old guy thing, so I should be

0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 1>getting one soon. And then it allows you, you know,

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:45.639
<v Speaker 1>to see a moving image basically how that liquid is

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:48.960
<v Speaker 1>if there's any blockage. There's all sorts of applications for it.

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:54.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because you're that liquid has a high radiological density,

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 3>which means that the X rays don't just pass right

0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:00.879
<v Speaker 3>through your the tissue that it's being suspended in, like

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 3>your blood vessels, it absorbs it for it. So you

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 3>get a picture of your blood vessels, your circulatory system,

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 3>which is pretty cool. It's pretty clever. It's also extraordinarily

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 3>elementary and principle. That's right, my dear Watson.

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 1>And that single picture, I think we you know, we

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 1>mentioned CT and mimography and all that and philoscopy, but

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.959
<v Speaker 1>the single picture is just called standard radiography. And that's

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 1>when you're you know, taking a photo of your skull

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 1>right or your lungs or your bones or your teeth.

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.360
<v Speaker 3>And so so. Speaking of the lead apron thing, man,

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 3>it's always made me kind of nervous, Like if the

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 3>rest of my body has to wear a lead apron,

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:39.640
<v Speaker 3>but you're shooting an X ray into my head, am

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:40.439
<v Speaker 3>I going to be? Okay?

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll answer that right after this message. Oh all right,

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>X rays are they bad for you? The answer is yes,

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:04.440
<v Speaker 1>pretty unequivocally. But like all things, it's it's in moderation

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 1>is the key. In the nineteen thirties and forties and

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 1>into the fifties, they had X ray machines at shoe stores.

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, they could X ray your feet to get

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:17.480
<v Speaker 1>a better fit, and they didn't realize at the time

0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 1>that they were X raying people way way too much.

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 3>You had talkative kids in class, they just shoot them

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 3>with an X ray and with they no, they probably

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:29.000
<v Speaker 3>did I've got you like twice, Well no, I believe that, Like, hey,

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 3>let's look at his brain.

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:32.359
<v Speaker 1>There may be a mouse running around inside of it.

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 3>People in the thirties were dumb.

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's basically radiation sickness. It's a form of ionization

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>or ionizing radiation. So what can happen, Like if just

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.479
<v Speaker 1>normal light hits an atom, is no big deal. But

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>when an X ray hits an atom, it knocks electrons

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>off of it creates an ion, which is an electrically

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 1>charged atom, and basically anything from cellular death to mutation

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 1>can happen at that point, and mutation can spread and

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 1>it can cause cancer.

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 3>Right Because stable atoms are neutral, right, because they have

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 3>an equal number of protons and electrons. You lose an

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 3>electron all of a sudden, you have a positively charged

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 3>ion and that negatively charge electron running around and it

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 3>just causes trouble. And you said light. Visible light can

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 3>be absorbed and it's no big deal because visible light

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 3>exists on a wavelength that's about in tune with the

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 3>soft tissues of our body, right, So we know how

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 3>to absorb it and it makes us tan and that's cool, right,

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 3>But with these ionized atoms, these positively charged atoms like

0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 3>going around in your body, it can cause a lot

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 3>of problems like mutations like cancer, right.

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean if you break that DNA chain, that's

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>not good.

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 3>No, it is. And one of the results is the

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 3>DNA can basically lose its ability to regulate itself and

0:29:56.520 --> 0:30:00.080
<v Speaker 3>the cell replicates more frequently than it should. All of

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 3>a sudden, you have a tumor on your hands, and

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 3>that can spread. It can also be a problem if

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 3>that DNA break occurs in utero, because then that can

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 3>lead to birth defects. Yeah, sure, which is why pregnant

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 3>women shouldn't get X rays yea. And it can also

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 3>just lead to plane old cellular death.

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 3>If you have cellular death, then the tissues that are

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 3>made up by those cells break down and you have

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 3>a problem on your hands with that as well.

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>So here's the deal. We get exposed to radiation every

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>day just walking around on the planet. It depends on

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 1>where you live, but every year, the average person is

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 1>going to be exposed to anywhere from one to four

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>It's measured in milliseaverts per year. Like I said, depending

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 1>on where you are. I think in higher elevations it's

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 1>less than at sea level. So if you live in Denver, Colorado,

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 1>you're going to be exposed to less.

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, because of Death Valley, you're higher up in

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:59.080
<v Speaker 3>the atmosphere and that makes a difference. Exactly, you have

0:30:59.160 --> 0:30:59.959
<v Speaker 3>less protection, right.

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So you know, they what they want to do

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>medically speaking, they want to use, or they're supposed to use,

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the minimum amount to achieve the pictures you need. It's

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 1>not like the old days where they're just like, let's

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 1>do twenty X rays. Yeah, like, let's do the minimum

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 1>amount we need to get the information that we need.

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 1>A CT scan can can get your you know, you

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>lay down in the tube and it rotates around you

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>and your whole body can be photographed in less than

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 1>five seconds these days. Nice, but you know there are

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 1>concerns if you get too many X rays still, like

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>a dental panorama. I think what I say, one to

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>four milisiverts per year.

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 3>And it's cumulative too, you should yeah, like it's not.

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 3>It's not like you get one and then you know,

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 3>eight months later, you get another one in that first

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 3>one went away, Like it accumulates over the course of

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 3>a year.

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So here's just a few examples of how much

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>radiation you're being exposed to with X rays. A dental

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 1>panorama is going to be point zero one milliseiverts, so

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>not very much like two chest X rays might be

0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 1>point one mam or gram is around point four your

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>pelvis point six your back upper back maybe one point zero.

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 3>I wonder why, because there's so incent bone there.

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Maybe yeah, maybe you have to do with exposure to Yeah,

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>that makes sense.

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 3>I got a ton of bone in my upper back.

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>A full CT scan, it depends on what you are.

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 1>It depends on what your X raying. But a CT

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 1>scan is obviously more like an abdominal or pelvis CT

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 1>scan could be as many as ten milliseiverts. Yeah, so

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>that's like up to two or three years worth of

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 1>radiation in a single CT scan, which can be problematic,

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>which is why they don't say get in the CT

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>machine like every other week. But you know some of

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>the reasons you might if you had a traumatic injury,

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 1>they're going to X ray you a lot of times

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 1>for disease confirmation. Go use an X ray machine during

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 1>surgery is a visual guide. Like if you do endoscopic surgery,

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 1>the surgeons actually needs to look at something, so sometimes

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.400
<v Speaker 1>it was X rays for that or to monitor your

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 1>healing process. You know when you break a bone, it's

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 1>not just that first X ray. You're gonna keep getting

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>them to see how you're healing up.

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 3>This is right out of the Semens video. Huh no,

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 3>uh uh okay.

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I mean I looked at so

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>much stuff all together, cumulative research.

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 3>So I did a brain stuff on sieverts and how

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 3>many we can take. Yeah, and yeah, it's it's kind

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 3>of like it's a little alarming. Sure, how much radiation

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 3>we're exposed to. People who fly a lot too, are

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 3>exposed to tons of radiation because you're again higher up in

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 3>the atmosphere, so you're less protected by the atmosphere.

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of flying, and of course baggage that is X rayed.

0:33:57.400 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 1>The food industry uses X rays a lot. Are geologists

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>use it if they don't want to destroy an object

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and they want to see what's inside. Or earth sciences,

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I'll use X rays for rocks to see what kind

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.839
<v Speaker 1>of mineral composition. So there's all sorts of applications. It's

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 1>not just medical space.

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 1>X ray telescopes out on satellites apparently you can see

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. You can see things you can't detect from

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<v Speaker 1>an earthbound telescope. Because X rays are absorbed by our atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can't like shoot it into space like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So this article makes a pretty good point if you

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<v Speaker 3>ask me. It says like, yes, X rays are like

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<v Speaker 3>are bad for you, and you should use them with

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<v Speaker 3>care and caution. And one good point is to always

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<v Speaker 3>ask if there's an alternative to an X ray, just

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<v Speaker 3>to basically say, hey, doc or Dennis, slow your role, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>is there another way we can get this information without

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<v Speaker 3>an X ray? I know it's the easiest, but whatever

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<v Speaker 3>the alternatives. But then the article makes the point like

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<v Speaker 3>it's still safer than and then the ultimate alternative, the

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<v Speaker 3>thing that X rays replaced, which was exploratory surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and in the day, if they thought you had cancer,

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<v Speaker 1>they would cut you open and see yeah, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is definitely better than that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, or broken bone. Imagine getting that on cut open

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<v Speaker 3>just to see how yeah it's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, no, it's not broken, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And we haven't invented anesthetic yet.

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<v Speaker 1>So good luck with your dentists, by the way, because

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<v Speaker 1>I always get the feeling that the dentists are like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>your insurance allows us to bill for so many per

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<v Speaker 1>year exact that's how many are going to get.

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<v Speaker 3>These X rays are putting my kid through college. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you got anything else on X rays? No, that was

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<v Speaker 3>a fine amount of stuff. I'm feeling good about it.

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<v Speaker 3>You feel good about this one? Sure? I do too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>If you want to know more about X rays, you

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<v Speaker 3>can check out this really informative article on HowStuffWorks dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>It's got some great diagrams that explain a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the stuff we were saying visually. And you can type

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<v Speaker 3>x ray into the search bar at how stuff Works

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<v Speaker 3>and it'll bring that up. Since I said it's part,

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<v Speaker 3>it's time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from my buddy Poppy in Vancouver. Stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>should don't listener that I met while I was there,

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<v Speaker 1>and Poppy as this is to say, he's got a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool job. He listened to the PTSD show and

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to write in about another option that he works with.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a registered acupuncturist in Vancouver with special training in

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<v Speaker 1>trauma and addictions. He's a program called Neurotrophic Stimulation Therapy

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<v Speaker 1>NTSD in A large part of the program uses ear

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<v Speaker 1>acupuncture and electro acupuncture to promote neuroplasticity in the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, you can't necessarily directly fix the brain, but

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<v Speaker 1>you can stimulate the ear nerves and will help the

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<v Speaker 1>brain reregulate certain functionality so it can heal itself. He's

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<v Speaker 1>been treating trauma and PTSD patients for several years and

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence for his efficacy is high. It can be

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<v Speaker 1>done with acupuncture needles alone or in combination with a

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<v Speaker 1>mild electrical stimulation. Remember we talked.

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<v Speaker 3>About transcranial electromagnetic stimulation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, transdermal cranial stimulation. He says that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that he's also using to treat PTSD, which is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool wow. And he said it makes cognitive behavioral

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<v Speaker 1>therapies so much easier to introduce because it promotes neuroplasticity

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<v Speaker 1>and the results help a PTSD suffer to be more

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<v Speaker 1>open to and able to receive positive social programming. So

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<v Speaker 1>he has a program we want to promote. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to see all the components in action in his program,

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<v Speaker 1>you can visit Lastdoor Recovery Society at lastdoor dot org,

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<v Speaker 1>slash ntst, or you can donate funds to help purchase

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<v Speaker 1>a brain scanner so that they can scientifically measure the

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<v Speaker 1>results of the program, which would really help show the

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<v Speaker 1>validity of the therapies. And if you're interested in helping

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<v Speaker 1>out Poppy's cause there because he's really big on treating

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<v Speaker 1>veterans in Canada. In the US, I shortened his little

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<v Speaker 1>URL to bitley bit dot l y slash one one

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<v Speaker 1>y n l Q and that is from Poppy and

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<v Speaker 1>he says, I'm mistay.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks a lot, Poppy, Is it Poppy with a oh

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