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Speaker 1: Hey, club kids, summer is a promise, and summer is

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Speaker 1: such a good time to slow down and reconnect with

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Speaker 1: your friends and make new friends. Pick up a seashell

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Speaker 1: and smell.

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Speaker 2: It quietly, grill a hot talk.

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Speaker 3: Talk to your best friend for hours, go on a

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Speaker 3: beach walk.

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Speaker 4: This summer at CBC, we're doing what we call every

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Speaker 4: other Summer, where.

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Speaker 3: We'll be releasing a new episode every other week on

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Speaker 3: the main feed.

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Speaker 4: And the weeks that there is not a main feed episode,

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Speaker 4: that's when you're getting a VIP lounge.

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Speaker 3: You still get an episode every week, but just every

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Speaker 3: other week for main and VIP. Do you get what

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Speaker 3: we're talking.

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Speaker 4: You're saying there are no stupid questions if you don't.

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Speaker 3: So, welcome to every other Summer. Slow down, take stock,

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Speaker 3: be here, now, take.

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Speaker 2: A sip listen every other summer.

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Speaker 3: Celebrity books.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome. I'm Brad.

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Speaker 3: Hey Brad, I'm Michael McDonald. I'm a Sessions musician. I've

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Speaker 3: been playing with the Dupie Brothers and steal it. Dan

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Speaker 3: and Man. We heard you've got the coolest crib in

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Speaker 2: That's what the chicks said. I don't know you guys

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Speaker 2: were bringing such a crew.

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Speaker 3: Oh listen, man, I brought the crew, but I also

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Speaker 3: brought something else, the white stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: Man, the wacky snow entrance granted into my layer.

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Speaker 3: All Right, you got a sick carpeted area, or maybe

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Speaker 3: we could try out a little bit of this ski school.

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Speaker 2: Go yeah, hold on, get a penny, you bring your

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Speaker 2: keys with you. I have a song, hang a noun sunset.

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Speaker 5: Hell oh man, I've always it's got my old fifty

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Speaker 5: five key Cassio Yamaha seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, lay down that coke, that white stuff.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Michael McDonald, I'm gonna put cover out of this

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Speaker 2: Did you take it? Young thing?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Thanks, sir? Who Yeah. Playing out there with steal

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 3: When we get to a crowd and they know all

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Speaker 3: we're really making an impact. We're bringing soul music to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to the white people.

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Speaker 3: Finally, whoa there, Billy goat, did you get enough coke?

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Speaker 3: My good?

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Speaker 2: I'm just getting going.

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Speaker 7: What do you think of this hanging on the carpet Okay,

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Speaker 7: hang on the carpet.

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Speaker 3: Hanging on the coppy with the snowy nights.

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Speaker 2: Hanging on the coppet with a smartty light. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: Okay, laying it down.

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Speaker 2: Now you should stay here.

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Speaker 4: We can really work on this track. Hanging on the carpet.

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Speaker 4: You free you for the next week or two to

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Speaker 3: Man, until somebody calls me to join in another band

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Speaker 2: Man, I got a rock.

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Speaker 4: A few of the ladies are calling me, so you

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Speaker 2: I'll be I'll be back.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll just jack off. Who's a knocking mark? And no,

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Speaker 3: sorry friends, you filthy, filthy four for your husband's gone.

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Speaker 3: We have boots in.

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Speaker 2: A battle of wine.

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Speaker 3: In a bottle of wine.

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Speaker 6: Cull It's gosip course, it's books, books, it's.

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Speaker 3: Hallifa, Bollywood, ap shock, so shock.

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Speaker 6: It's members mambos, it's Martini's shooting.

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Speaker 3: It's not your bean.

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Speaker 6: Before it leaves slavey book club Cabrina WA's ha ha ha.

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Speaker 3: Slay book Club.

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Speaker 7: An't you Chris?

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Speaker 2: We sack tack.

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Speaker 6: Slavery wood, three bottles of aquil I'm really nice pet not.

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Speaker 3: From crowach Hey, best friend? How you doing out there?

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Speaker 8: C B d F M I Heart Radio. This is

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Speaker 8: your host, Lily and Stevens.

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Speaker 3: We are here kicking it with you'll Cool Souls for

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Speaker 3: another hour of R and B contemporary adult folk, rock

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Speaker 3: and blues.

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Speaker 2: It's a sunny day out there in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 8: Traffic on the four or five, But what if you

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Speaker 8: just pulled over, got some soft serve ice cream and

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Speaker 3: Just pull over to text and use your phone, because

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Speaker 3: we do not like you driving while using a mobile phone.

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Speaker 4: It takes five to six six five to vote. Should

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Speaker 4: Lily die their hair blonde to match Stephen?

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Speaker 3: I would actually not recommend that we have to talk.

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Speaker 2: About the funky gay elephant in the room.

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Speaker 3: As I said in a previous podcast that we recorded

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Speaker 3: this week, I'm the only gay to dye his hair blonde.

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Speaker 4: Is not in a crisis totally, And it's like, if

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Speaker 4: you just keep on saying you're not a crisis, the

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Speaker 3: There's just simply no crisis.

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Speaker 2: There's absolutely no crisis.

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Speaker 3: I can't stress that enough.

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Speaker 2: No crisis at all.

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Speaker 3: Look at how calm I am.

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Speaker 2: Your bleached blonde. I'm happy for you, thank you, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's been a journey to get back to this blonde.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I just I'm at a point in

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Speaker 3: don't need a reason. You know, I've done it all.

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Speaker 3: I've seen it all. You've skied, I've skied, I've driven stick,

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Speaker 3: I've stayed up all night, clubbing, up.

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Speaker 2: All night writing papers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, what more is there? It's like, if

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Speaker 3: I want to go blonde, I'll go blonde. If you

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Speaker 2: Blonde or not.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 2: So you're paging through old documents. Yeah, I was zing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm talking with my archivist. I just think blonde

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Does that mean your crisist? No, No, my grandmother died

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Speaker 3: Not blonde was dying when she was a corpse.

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Speaker 4: She was dying it like in the nursing home. They

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Speaker 3: I mean, my mother was Diana Harrett, like thirty four whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know she was already fully gray then, you know,

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Speaker 3: and no one says, oh, was she in a crisis,

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Speaker 6: Also?

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Speaker 4: Also crisis is like a chill crisis. The book we're reading,

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Speaker 4: some of us are currently reading it, currently finished.

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Speaker 3: It, but we are currently finishing as we speak, is

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Speaker 3: by a musician, a musician and.

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Speaker 2: A man by the way, okay, and this was a

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Speaker 3: This is the same book by two men for other man's.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, if you're a man, read this some great man ship.

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Speaker 4: We are are reading read a book by I want

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Speaker 4: to say yacht rock icon but reading it and we're

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Speaker 2: He might actually look.

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Speaker 4: At that as a missnomer snowmer, or maybe he may

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Speaker 3: Now that's NOT'SI Sometimes I think it's the people dat

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know him from his work with the Doobie

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Speaker 3: Brothers and Steely Dan. You also maybe be prepared to sell.

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Speaker 4: with a Full Believe.

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Speaker 2: You may know the song minute Bad.

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Speaker 3: from one of Steely Dan's later albums. We were talking

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Speaker 3: about none other than Michael McDonald and his memoir Full Believes,

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Speaker 3: ghost written by none other then Paul Riser. He might

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Speaker 3: be thinking, wait, Paul not about you, who also plays

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Speaker 3: the doctor in season two of Stranger Things. But yes,

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Speaker 3: I was like, I thought they don't do lafees anymore

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Speaker 4: But you, ulto might know Paul Reiser as a star

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Speaker 4: of one of my favorite films, Diner, which is about

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Speaker 2: Man, So it does connect.

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Speaker 4: I think it's just Paul Reiser is a huge Michael

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Speaker 2: Like, hey, dude, well I'll help you right your did.

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Speaker 3: You read in the press release? Wait? Do you have

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Speaker 8: I just had it.

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Speaker 2: Fiddlesticks, oh, fiddle stick.

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Speaker 4: I think I was using it to put out gum because,

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Speaker 4: as you know, I famously psychotically chew gum in the home.

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Speaker 3: basically what it said in there is that Paul and

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Speaker 3: Michael McDonald became friends and they would just have these

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Speaker 3: like John Stamos way, and that they were like hanging

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Speaker 3: Michael McDonald always be telling his stories from his career

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Speaker 3: and his come up and his drug.

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Speaker 4: Addiction, and Paul Riser was like, man, you gotta write

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Speaker 2: Michael McDonald was like.

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Speaker 4: Sure, I can write a groovy lyric and amazing piano riff, but.

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Speaker 4: Write a really detailed book filled with many names of

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Speaker 2: And you're gonna eat it up.

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Speaker 4: I think it's also very classic, as you said, John

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Speaker 3: Were they love the musicians and that lifestyle and they're

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Speaker 4: I feel like I have been a Doobie Brothers and

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Speaker 4: Of Steely Dan, I think of Donald fake in the head,

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Speaker 2: He really put me on too Steely Dan in college.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I got into Steely Dan earlier. I

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Speaker 2: Because I don't remember you playing them.

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Speaker 4: We were together listening to Ashley Simpson, but yeah, privately

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Speaker 3: Okay, Anyway, in my mid twenties when I had him

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Speaker 3: of Yacht Rock Revival personally than I was getting more

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Speaker 2: And I think Steely Dan is much more like respected

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Speaker 3: I feel like our listeners don't know who Michael McDonald is.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the Doobie Bros. Is a little more

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Speaker 4: Dan really came out of like a generation of like

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Speaker 2: And like Stax records. But we're like, what if we

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Speaker 4: I try shit a big old Doobie and we made

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Speaker 2: Let's make a song like six and a half minutes.

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Speaker 4: I feel like we should talk about truly the definition

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Speaker 3: I don't think any artists from the seventies would probably

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it just said yeat rock is like, oh okay,

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Speaker 4: it's for when you're having like ironic frozen drinks right

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Speaker 2: You're gonna like listen.

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Speaker 3: Because you're like ironically like cosplaying as a Pennsylvania lake

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Speaker 4: Yes, but there's a difference between like yacht but also

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Speaker 4: it's like Pinicolata song, which is also considered yacht rock.

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Speaker 3: Rupert Holmes, Rupert.

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Speaker 2: Holmes who has some amazing tracks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know the rest of his catalog.

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Speaker 2: You should check it out. I think you would.

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Speaker 3: Like that's a good for me. Yeah, okay, So how

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Speaker 2: Being on soundtracks. It's also funny because he's like a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's so twenty feet from stardom. As he mentions

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Speaker 3: it's the Christopher Cross song right, like the wind and

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Speaker 4: Way to go in the back, Like I feel like

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Speaker 3: Fairal there is even there's on thirty Rock, Kenneth like

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Speaker 3: He's the male shareare Celebrity club.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so male Share is from Saint Louis.

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Speaker 3: The mama is exclusively on pills. Like I didn't touch

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Speaker 4: It's just like why you know, people had kids earlier

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Speaker 2: If only I could be like him, and you know.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to build the psycho analytic narrative in here

448
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 3: of the father's departure and the need for his approval

449
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 3: as like animating all of the like drug addiction and

450
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 3: like all the music wasn't hold the Drunks just because

451
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 3: it was the Sevendies, Honey, no, I know, And is

452
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: it really about the father? I mean, I guess it's

453
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 3: always about the.

454
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: Time, always about the father.

455
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 4: But like Paul Reiser is also like not knocking the

456
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 4: dad too much, and he's like and they did like

457
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 4: co parent pretty well.

458
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 3: Man came better from was like very like written in

459
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four in this way where it was just

460
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 3: like they actually like melded into each other's rhythms and

461
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 3: idiosyncrasies so much more amicably. Once they did get divorced

462
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 3: and the co parenty was off the chain, and.

463
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 4: You're like, okay, sure, but he starts playing these bands

464
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 4: and he's already touring around somehow, and he's like by fourteen,

465
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 4: he's already been in three bands and like his dad

466
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 4: has bought him a guitar.

467
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 2: So since basically he is such.

468
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 3: A pimp, he gets a girl pregnant in eighteen great,

469
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: like that is the most pampitude behavior. And in the

470
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 3: fifties it's insane, I mean, and they're both like irs

471
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 3: Catholic of course, so the girls sent away to a

472
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 3: convent and then they have to give the baby up

473
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 3: for adoption and.

474
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 4: It's so sad and like, you know, did you ever

475
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 4: watch that movie with Judy Dench about the Cafelka sent away?

476
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: Oh, like all the Lost Children.

477
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very yes, and she was in her wine

478
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: Steiner and she was nominated for an Oscar for that.

479
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: Or yes, anyway, you know, his ex Diana or whatever

480
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 2: was sent to the most.

481
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 3: Like no, the abuse of like provo crazy.

482
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 4: And he's just there being like, well we lost touch

483
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 4: and it was really sad, but didn't see Diane much

484
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 4: and after that.

485
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, like are you that said?

486
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's fourteen, of course, what are you

487
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 3: gonna do? I'm kind of shocked even knew how to

488
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 3: have sex at that age.

489
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you have. I know, we're like

490
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: said virgins.

491
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I I'm an intane version. I remember it

492
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 3: not being totally clear to me until I was like twelve.

493
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, so what, like it does go

494
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: in there?

495
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 4: That's why you should have watched Lukhu's talking, which really

496
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 4: explained sex to me.

497
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 3: Would you see like a penis going to vagina in

498
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: that movie?

499
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 2: Well, it starts off with the sperm like flowing in.

500
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 3: Okay, inside right, But do you know as a child

501
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 3: that it came out of a dick?

502
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 2: Yes?

503
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 4: Okay, advance, Well, like you see a pretty like ninety

504
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 4: sex scene of Christy Ally being like, oh and he's

505
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 4: like on top of her?

506
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: Oh yes, he turned on man on top bot try

507
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: that position.

508
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: If you can find one. Yeah, I don't know. I

509
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: think like twelve year old straight guys like some of

510
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: them are out there.

511
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 4: No, I mean obviously at seven now, But like, do

512
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 4: I think Deborah or Diana or whatever, do I think

513
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 4: she like came. Nope, I don't think she was like,

514
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 4: oh that was amazing past me a lot gey strike

515
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 4: when they were like on the lookout point.

516
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's sad, and I do wonder what happened

517
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: to her. Maybe she's totally fine now. Probably she has

518
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: like an amazing small you're thinking family, I'm thinking entrepreneurship.

519
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 2: Okay, I could see her living in Asheville.

520
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: Yes, selling hand with an other mins and like accessories

521
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 3: and stuff, the whole home line.

522
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 4: Beautiful pots. Maybe she's reconnected. The only other thing I'll

523
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 4: say about his fourteen year old love child is he

524
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 4: is like, you know, and I look back and sometimes

525
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 4: I do wish I had manned up and married her.

526
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: And you're like, I mean, you know. The sad thing,

527
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: of course, is that those Catholic families at that time,

528
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: you know, abortion was just not an option discussed at all.

529
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: And it's funny and here we are today.

530
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: Right, and.

531
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: Mitch McConnell still wants to take away a woman's right

532
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 3: to choose, But our Irish Catholics more now, like can

533
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 3: you live? Been an abortion.

534
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: Actual Irish people.

535
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 4: They are now more I think pro abortion than like

536
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 4: American Irish Catholics.

537
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 3: Well, but they just had a whole legislation thing about

538
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 3: it because they like banned it.

539
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 4: And then like, yeah, I feel like it's honestly not

540
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 4: the Irish Catholics that are really anti I feel like

541
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 4: it's more of the like evangelicals, right, and a.

542
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: Little more of the born agains in the mega churches.

543
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: Abortion.

544
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: But up to the old school anti abortion.

545
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: Are still more just like, well, now you get an abortion,

546
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: but you also don't talk about it.

547
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: Yeah you also feel guilty.

548
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's.

549
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 4: So in his musical taste though at this time I

550
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 4: feel like I very related to this. It was like,

551
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: you know, the Beatles were all the rage, but then

552
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 4: he's kind of started discovering motown.

553
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: Low town and soul and was like, oh, don yeah,

554
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: this is what I'm.

555
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 3: Talking about, which they used to call race Music's not crazy.

556
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: Crazy is no abortion? Race music?

557
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: Times have changed, times of totally changes the fifties. So

558
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: he's a listening to all this awesome motown music, but

559
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 3: also like listening to like the Stones, the Animals, reworking.

560
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 3: If Nina Simones don't let me be misunderstood and like

561
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: listening to other white men, other white bands cover and

562
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: sort of like evolve and get inspired by the black

563
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 3: music of the time, but also listening to like a

564
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 3: lot of that original R and B coming out of Motown.

565
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: And then again it is like fifteen is already playing

566
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: in like so many bands and like doing so many

567
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 3: local shows.

568
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 4: It's so crazy. Like I feel like at one point

569
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 4: I thought he'd like had to be eighteen. He's like, yeah, so,

570
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 4: like I had broken up with like Jay Rod and

571
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 4: the Sheratons and we were like Lucy Goosey playing at

572
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 4: the Old Ace hotel in downtown Saint Louis, And now

573
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 4: I was with this band and I was like, oh wait,

574
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 4: you're fifteen at someone.

575
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: He's in this like ten piece band and they're like

576
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 3: playing so many R and B covers and there's like

577
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: six hornists and like there's like a French horn and

578
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: a bassoon in sacks, and there's like two drummers, and

579
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: I'm just like, you guys are sixteen. You're playing like

580
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: all of these huge like veterans halls and like hotels. Yeah,

581
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: so fab So he was really good at piano at

582
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: this point, and like his dad had gotten in this

583
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: upright from a friend, and this is the things we

584
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: had in their basement that was in the phase that

585
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: was cool in the summers, in hot hot Saint Louis Muser.

586
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: So he's playing piano in there, and he's teaching himself

587
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: piano and just doodling and noodle in as.

588
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: A piano player, how much do you feel you've taught

589
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: yourself versus you were taught the basics by your piano

590
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 4: teacher growing up and now you can.

591
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: Kind of I was mostly a classically trained pianist, and

592
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: I think it all comes from that training. You know,

593
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: I would never consider myself taught even to this day. Yes,

594
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: I will learn new music and I'll sit down with

595
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: a you know, a sonata I've never played before, and

596
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: the basic I think of myself as knowing all the basics.

597
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: I know, as coming from my lessons and doing the

598
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: exercise and learning the scowns.

599
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: No, I'm always so impressed as someone with like guitar,

600
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: and people are like, oh, yeah, I just kind of

601
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 4: taught myself.

602
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: I feel like guitar is easier to teach yourself, but

603
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: like that's hard.

604
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I'm kind of a self taught pianist. Yeah,

605
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people can be self top pianic.

606
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: Like you look at it and you just like see them.

607
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: Like guitar, for example, you have to move your hands

608
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: in very different ways to play different notes, like.

609
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: Get all the way over there in your chair.

610
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: It's very like it's not intuitive, whereas a piano, every

611
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: single note has a dedicated key, right, And I.

612
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: Feel like he kind of had that musical prodege in him.

613
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: So I do feel like there's this thing where Paul

614
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: Riser is kind of like doing this very kind of

615
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: like politely, like woke like washing of Michael McDonald's like influences,

616
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: and like there's this part where he's like, now, we

617
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: were like so influenced by black music. But I, of course,

618
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: at the time, like I didn't even realize like how

619
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: much black music was around because I was really good

620
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: friends with these like black neighbors, and then my grandma

621
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: was like racist and moved us away. But I didn't

622
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: even see color where we go. As vivid as my

623
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: memory of that kid still is, for the life of me,

624
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: I cannot recall the color of his skin, that particular

625
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: detail apparently didn't hold enough significance for me at the

626
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: time so as to even register in my mind's eye.

627
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: I'm guessing it was as it should ever be, quite

628
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 3: simply unimportant, just being so like, no I see color.

629
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 4: I feel like that's very like a boomer is like

630
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: what they think they're supposed to say, yeah about like race, Like, oh,

631
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 4: you're supposed to say like I don't even see color,

632
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 4: and you're like, I actually don't think that's the point.

633
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: I think people like do it.

634
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: And I feel like Paul Reiser is putting this in

635
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: a because he's like a boomer b in this way

636
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: of almost like trying to get ahead of like a

637
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: cultural appropriation argument about the music, when in reality, it's

638
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: like I don't think Michael mcdull needs to like do

639
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: this whole excuse of saying he's color blind. It's just

640
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: like it's fine to be inspired by black music and

641
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: say that you like R and B.

642
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I feel like it's worse to actually

643
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 4: say you're color blind, because that's actually denying the facts

644
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 4: right that like black people make. I's just been like

645
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 4: I had no idea who my good neighbor was. We

646
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 4: just listened to like Anthony the Imperials.

647
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: And again I think that this is Paul Paul kind

648
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: of in there.

649
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: This book is also just that thing where it's just

650
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 4: like Paul Riser doing that. And then it's Michael McDonald

651
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 4: being like, you can't leave out the guy who owned

652
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 4: the theater in Saint Louis who I played my last

653
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 4: show at when I was seventeen.

654
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: Paul was like, are you sure, and he's like, no,

655
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: that that needs needs to go in anyway.

656
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 4: Basically, like he moves to La to pursue his career

657
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 4: at like seventeen, and his mom.

658
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: Is like, just bring a Baloney sandwich, won't you, Michael.

659
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 4: She's also always being so like like now that she's

660
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 4: got more sixties, she's always like me some of Bilooney sandwiches.

661
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: And like his Panmad's high on pills. She's sighed on pills.

662
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: You know, they're just like Blooney's so dry bread, like

663
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 4: maybe some have tons of mayo and them some have

664
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: no man.

665
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, one's dry, one's wet.

666
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: But I love this part where he movest La and

667
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: he has this beat up car man and he's staying

668
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: at his friend's house and it's a total dump and

669
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 4: they're there to record and he gets like signed to

670
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 4: this record label and he's like, and I.

671
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: Left, man.

672
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 8: I went outside and I went to this place called

673
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 8: Taco Bell.

674
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: And then I realized there was taco bell on every corner.

675
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: It was a taco bell. I went back that far.

676
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: I think of that as more of a modern change,

677
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: I know, but.

678
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I bet they have like such

679
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 4: a vi because you know, you see those finter taco

680
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 4: bells and they're kind of like burnt brown and orange.

681
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: Wait, do you remember the part though, when first when

682
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: he's still a teen and he does perform with the

683
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: legendary Chuck Berry and that this is Berry runs this

684
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: since saying scam where it's like he's got a ten

685
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: piece band backing him, and then over the course of

686
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: the night he fires every individual member of the band

687
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 3: because if he fires them mid performance, he doesn't have

688
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: to pay them.

689
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 4: It's so fab and he's like, Chuck Berry knew what

690
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 4: he was doing. He was peeling out hundreds.

691
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 3: Along the way, we learned the second Golden rule, of

692
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: which Chuck Barry wasn't have a practitioner. If you fire

693
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 3: the backup band, before the show is over. Technically you

694
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: don't have to pay them, so one by one of

695
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 3: the girls the evening, each of us was summarily released

696
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 3: for reasons we'll never know. Until he was left on

697
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: see with just the drummer, at which point he closes

698
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: with a rousing audience sing along night dingling. So then

699
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: he's like playing with different bands. He gets this manager

700
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 3: of one ben he's in that tries to bully him.

701
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: He was like pissed that some guy come up to

702
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: them after this performance and was like, hey, you should

703
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: think about writing your own music because that's like a

704
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 3: way to get more popular. And then this guy is

705
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: like so mad and threatened by this other random agent

706
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: talking to him, and he's like, never talk to that

707
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: guy again. What were you guys talking about? And it's

708
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: like so jealous.

709
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 4: Well, and I think also in that time, like in

710
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 4: the sixties, you could just like be more of just

711
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 4: like everyone sung each other's songs like pop singers did

712
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 4: in a way that they don't do now, and so

713
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 4: you could just be kind of more like, yeah, I'm

714
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 4: actually gonna sing this like.

715
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: Everyone was doing it. I didn't even realize that, So

716
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: what a fool Believes, which is co written by Michael

717
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: McDonald and Kenny Loggins. Kenny Loggins released his own version

718
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 3: of that first before the Dowie Brothers did.

719
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 4: And I mean in the past ten years, I didn't

720
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 4: realize that I Will Always Love You as by Dolly

721
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 4: Parton and not just by Whinnie Houston.

722
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: And Dolly did it first.

723
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: She did it first, she wrote it, and.

724
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: It just kind of didn't hit. It was idiot. It

725
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: was a good hit, it was a medium hit, but

726
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: it wasn't like the biggest hit of.

727
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: The like even though like everyone's obsessed with Dolly. But

728
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: it's like when Winnie did it right, when.

729
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: He did it.

730
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 4: Back to like the sixties, I feel like it was

731
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 4: more common to be like, oh, you can have a

732
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 4: safe career of being like, you know, a guy around

733
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 4: just doing covers.

734
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 3: He was doing covers and also playing with other bands

735
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: and popping around. I mean, you have to be a

736
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: good musician. And Michael McDonald is nothing if not an

737
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: ex keyboardist who can just hop in with any band,

738
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: learn the tunes, learn the chords.

739
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: Which is how he got into Steely Dan.

740
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 4: I'm just saying his way of describing being in La

741
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: like when he's there and like first gets hired by

742
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 4: Steely Dan. It goes back to the SNL thing where

743
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 4: it just like does feel a little like parody where

744
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 4: he was like I was walking at the theater one

745
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 4: day and my man just said, this air is kind

746
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 4: of dicey, and a guy came up to us and

747
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 4: he was totally dirty and had no teeth. And then

748
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 4: it turns out, man, that guy was playing guitar from

749
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 4: Buffalo Springfield.

750
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: Oh the dusty Springfield. Yeah, when he sees the drug

751
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: addict right after he gets dropped by RCA and it's

752
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 3: being very like, this is ominous, this could be you,

753
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 3: This could be you if you don't you know, sort

754
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: of get into a band soon.

755
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 4: And at that point I think this is all to

756
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: him reflecting a lot on his drug use. But at

757
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 4: that point he's just like smoking pot, and so it

758
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 4: does feel a little like darea where he's like, man,

759
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 4: I gotta quit that pot because like if I don't,

760
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 4: I'll be like living under a train with no teeth.

761
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: So he goes to LA with nothing but fry boots

762
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: and jeans, which I love. So Waite sister worked for

763
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: Ozark Airlines, Yes, and she like is Gwyneth Pealter in

764
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 3: that movie.

765
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: And she's being so PanAm but like Ozark Carolines. His

766
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 4: sister is by the way, these sea characters in the

767
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 4: book where they're always like following him to La and

768
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 4: like trying to get Kenny Logan's autograph, or they're like

769
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 4: in Nashville like also becoming country singers and just kind

770
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: of like generally.

771
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: Being fab and random.

772
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: You so fab and random.

773
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: And his sister sells sandwiches at Woodstock.

774
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: Wait, they're kind of doing like these like sea team

775
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 3: jobs around his career, but like they're not being so

776
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 3: groopy and desperate.

777
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 4: No, they're not like, ooh, give us the record. They're like, yeah,

778
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 4: I'm selling sandwiches at Woodstock. Yes, I'm cleaning your house

779
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 4: before Kelly Logins comes over here, right, his dad is

780
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 4: being very so after he gets dropped this label, you know,

781
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 4: and his kind of tail between his legs.

782
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: His dad is so just like you'd be a respectable

783
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 2: man if you went to nam.

784
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: Such a movie. And then he's not picked for the draft.

785
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: Thank god, he gets like a high number so I

786
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: doesn't have to go.

787
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: My father got a high number.

788
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 3: That's so interesting. I feel like my dad was not

789
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 3: in the draft, maybe he was in medical school or college,

790
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: and they were like, would you like try to make

791
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 3: up some excuse?

792
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 4: I think so, Yeah, Yeah, I think I would go

793
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 4: vision start with vision ADHD.

794
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: Your vision's crazy, vertigo.

795
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 4: I would try to get some sort of brain diagnosis

796
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 4: about you. Would you just go in or would I

797
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 4: be like you know what, No, I'm gonna.

798
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 3: I would do the same thing I did to get

799
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: a vaccine early, which would say I have a history

800
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: of asthma, which is true, bitch, So back the fuck up.

801
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: Here's the big question. Would we do a USO tour.

802
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 3: Support the troops? Yeah, I can't imagine the troops that

803
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: are hungry for US I know the way we would

804
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: bomb so hard, literally bomb bomb.

805
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: Then like yeah, I'm just like, would the lesbians and

806
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 4: the Marines be in twist?

807
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: Were they also just being like for me?

808
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 3: I know this isn't for me. I don't like gossip,

809
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: and I don't know your references or what you're talking about. Okay,

810
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: I just don't think it would be working steely dam Okay,

811
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 3: So he starts touring with he gets the addition, he

812
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 3: lands it, he nails it. Warren and road manager Gary

813
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: McPike helped me load in my meager amount of Gary

814
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 3: hooked me up. I met everyone that first day, Donald

815
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: Fagan and Walter Becker, drummer Jim Hotter, guitarist Denny Diaz,

816
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: percussionist vocalist Royce Stones, and the legendary guitarist Jeff Skunk Baxter.

817
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: I remember Jeff Baxter has been immediately engaging in funny.

818
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: He was spurning in a black eye apparently received during

819
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 3: a basketball game earlier the day at the Hollywood YMC

820
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: with some of his and why seecrew, which he wore

821
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: like a badge of honor.

822
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: Like, okay, what is cute about Michael McDonald's.

823
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 3: I feel like he always he downplays it a little

824
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 3: bit and a way that doesn't seem like overly pretension.

825
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 4: Whenever he is like talking about these like cool, funky moments,

826
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 4: he feels very like nostalgically grateful. He's always like I'm

827
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 4: just a Missouri boy, as like these three chicks are

828
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: here now.

829
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 3: It's overflowing with gratitude.

830
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 4: My favorite part for when he is on tour his

831
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 4: first tour is Steely Dan in London. He's staying in like,

832
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 4: oh some random room, and then finally he gets to

833
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 4: go up to like Donald's.

834
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: Oh wait, but this is a really fancy room. Yeah,

835
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: but at first though they're staying in a holiday inn,

836
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: but all of us in one room, which is kind

837
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: of like us vibes. Yes, it's very like middle class

838
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: rock star vibes to be like sharing a room with

839
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 3: the holidays and.

840
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 4: Holiday and sharing a van. And then sometimes it's glam.

841
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 4: So this line where they're inlet this is where it

842
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 4: gets a little line. So he goes up and it's

843
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 4: like this crazy room and he's like and Walter's mom

844
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 4: was there and they hadn't spoken in years, and she

845
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 4: runs a ballet troup. So there are all these like

846
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: chicks like doing ballet in the room. As they warmed up,

847
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 4: Walter's mom inf ied us to share some of wonderful

848
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 4: spreads she prepared for us, all an array of exotic

849
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 4: charcouterie and cheeses and something I'd never seen before called,

850
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 4: in quotes, hummus.

851
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: Imagine discovering hummus for the first time at a hotel

852
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: room in London.

853
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 2: In a swinging or this more the sexies.

854
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 4: Seventies, seventies, it's this like funky mom being like, hey,

855
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 4: try this stuff, and.

856
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 3: You're like, what on earth? Sorry, this is a chickpee mat,

857
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 3: it's a jip, it's a dip. What am I supposed

858
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 3: to do with it?

859
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: She's like, here's a carrot stick man.

860
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: And then you're like, fuck, this is the most delicious

861
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: shit I've ever tasted it.

862
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: This is way better than my mom's blowney.

863
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: And so then he starts doing a lot of coke

864
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 3: and becomes a coke dealer.

865
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: For his girlfriend, which is kind of iconic.

866
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's running drugs. It's happening so quickly because it's

867
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: like he's never like fully in Celia and he's just

868
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 3: playing with them. And then he's kind of not playing

869
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 3: with them off tour, and then his girlfriend's dealing coke

870
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: and she's like, run this coke for me, and he's like,

871
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 3: I guess now I'm a coke dealer.

872
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: Well what happens to then.

873
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: He's like doing all the coke that he's supposed to

874
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: be delivered well, because.

875
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 4: Like she's like telling him to deliver it to funky

876
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 4: guys in record studios, and so of course he wants

877
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 4: to make a good impression.

878
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: So they're all that could do with bups.

879
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: Then like he like restarts his coke business after like

880
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: stopping it, and he's doing with his old friend Roy,

881
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: and he's like, they have this plan where they're gonna

882
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: buy a half ounce of some of that exceptionally pure

883
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: cocaine from our old friend.

884
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: Roy and cut it in half with like B twelve powder.

885
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: Random, I know. I mean, it's better than fentanyl.

886
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely, dealer is out there.

887
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: If you're gonna cut your coke, will you please do

888
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: with B twelve and something innocuous and not fetanyl.

889
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: Seriously, which is like expensive.

890
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: Anyways, So I don't know why they're doing that, but

891
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: a stop two of the right here.

892
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: It's not cool.

893
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: It's literally absolutely not cool.

894
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: But I want to say about his firing from Steely Dan.

895
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 4: The first firing was a pivotal moment Steely Dan's history,

896
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 4: which I didn't know about. They fire him because they

897
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 4: want to make the band smaller and focus on recording

898
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,959
Speaker 4: and not just touring with like thirty.

899
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: Cool thirty awesome sessions.

900
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 4: And then he's like, that's when then they brought me

901
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 4: back in to do so many like to do peg

902
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 4: and do so many crazy vocals and to do like

903
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 4: crazier stuff in the studio, and I was like, and

904
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 4: they were so being like chased by their managers, and

905
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 4: they were like, you guys are crazy, real artists, you know,

906
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 4: saying they pivoted.

907
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: There's a section that I really love, so right when

908
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 3: you start to when he gets into the Doobie Brothers

909
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: and at this point he is like writing more of

910
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: his own stuff, but it's still kind of unsure if

911
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: his writing skills.

912
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're getting more established also in the scene. And

913
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 4: again also by the way, with Doobie Brothers, he gets

914
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 4: hired also in kind of the same way where they're like, hey, man,

915
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 4: come play.

916
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just like sorry, Like Tom is out, like

917
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: he's had some health problems from our last tour because

918
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: he's like destroyed his lever drinking so much, and like,

919
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: can you come in and be a sessions keyboardist.

920
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: And he's going some backing vocals.

921
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: He's like sure, So I learned it tonight and there

922
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 4: we were in Cleveland in a dicey neighborhood.

923
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 3: What I find very impressive about Michael McDonald is he

924
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 3: actually goes back and starts taking piano lessons again. When

925
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: he starts playing with the Deubie Brothers, because he's like,

926
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 3: you know what, you're never too old to learn new shit.

927
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 3: And he's still in just like twenty three at this point,

928
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: but he's just like, my skills aren't where they need

929
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 3: to be, so let me go brush the fuck up.

930
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 4: You know.

931
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 3: I think that's very humbling, and he is not such

932
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: a egotistical kind of guy that that would be a

933
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 3: blow to him. He's like totally opened.

934
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: I feel like we can all take a page one.

935
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: Hundred percent from that. But I really love this part.

936
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: We actually talks about piano playing, because I like when

937
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: writers get specific about their craft, which there probably isn't

938
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 3: enough of in this book. Well, you say there isn't

939
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: enough about the specificity of crafts that there is in

940
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: this section.

941
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: There's a lot of time my craft on this book.

942
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 3: A lot of the experience was about unlearning some bad habits.

943
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 3: For starters, I needed to do more with my left hand.

944
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: I found that people who teach themselves to play I

945
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: can get a bit simplistic and heavy handed in the

946
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: left hand, playing simple one note patterns or a lot

947
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: of octaves. This is so true, and I think this

948
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 3: is true of anyone who lends piano, because I think

949
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 3: the classic thing to do if you're right handed and

950
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: you're not a freak, then the right hand is the

951
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: one that is fun. The right hand is the gay hand.

952
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 3: It's going wild, it's going all this place. The left

953
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 3: hand is really the bassline. And like you learn piano

954
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: like that, and even Bach and Mozart, like a lot

955
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: of the time, the right hand is going to be

956
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 3: doing way more exciting things. The left hand is going

957
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: to be a little bit more plotting, and he goes.

958
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 3: In my early songwriting is I was always emulating bass

959
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: guitar with my left hand to give the idea of

960
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: what the syncopation of an actual band might sound like.

961
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: But as a developed as a piano player, I learned

962
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: to use my left hand to expand the chord voicings

963
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: and not leave it all to the right hand to carry.

964
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: Which is so true because you know, you think about

965
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: the left hand doing the simple you know whatever, the

966
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: simple five base chord, and then the right hand's doing

967
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 3: the diminished nights. The right hand is doing the diminished seventh.

968
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: But it's like you can funk up the left hand

969
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 3: too and actually get the right hand doing something even

970
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: more simple and you're building out like a way more

971
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 3: crazy chord that's like expanding over four different octaves or something.

972
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 3: So I liked this section. I guess I felt like

973
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: this level of specificity about piano plan I wasn't seeing elsewhere.

974
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: In the My favorite part of specificity, Yeah, my favorite

975
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 2: specific part was about speakers and monitors at concerts, because,

976
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: as you know, I'm such a live music had. Oh yeah,

977
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: so that actually hit for me personally.

978
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 3: No, I thought that was a really good section.

979
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was a really good secution to me.

980
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: I guess that a little bit more was like a

981
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: section that anyone could talk about, you know what I mean,

982
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: because everyone can hear, but not everyone can play piano.

983
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: What are you trying to do right now?

984
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 3: I know, I'm just what are you trying to do?

985
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: I'm just saying like that was interesting, but not as

986
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: for me personally.

987
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: As a piano player. Yeah, that's I guess.

988
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 4: As a live music goer and someone who performs on stage,

989
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 4: you always think about what the people are hearing. And

990
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 4: I know you've never been to a concert, so maybe

991
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 4: like it didn't hit as.

992
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: Much for you.

993
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm hoping, actually I'm going to a concert,

994
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 3: this speak end you are whose concert the Gypsy Kings.

995
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 4: Basically in this section that I guess even didn't find

996
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 4: that interesting is that how they constructed all the speakers

997
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 4: so people could hear all the funky moments of the

998
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 4: Doobie Brothers. And you're not hearing that on stage in

999
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 4: the monor when you're playing as a Dipby brother No.

1000
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: And that's one of the worst parts of a being

1001
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 3: on stages. You never really know what the audience is hearing.

1002
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 8: And like the audience was hearing these like sweeps of

1003
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 8: keys man and guitars and vocals in.

1004
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 3: Different areas, so then he just starts like pumping out

1005
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: the heads and it all starts happening. Taken into the

1006
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: Streets is actually about social justice.

1007
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: Which was inspired by his sister Kathy being an.

1008
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: Activist, Thank you Kathy, former Ozark Airlines flight attendant, and

1009
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 3: Cat being an anti Vietnam War protester, so he in

1010
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: some ways taking it to the streets is kind of

1011
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: like the Maclamorelamore.

1012
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 4: Of its age, jo I won't be voting for you

1013
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 4: next November, dope, and.

1014
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 3: Then yeah, what a fool believes. As we mentioned, COVID

1015
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 3: with Kenny Logan minute minute Okay, did you think that

1016
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 3: he was dating Paula Abdulla? Yes, Okay, that was poorly written.

1017
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: I was like, is this personally written? Is this trying

1018
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: to like get rumors going? As Paula Reiser tru So

1019
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 2: basically he's a dating this woman, Paula.

1020
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 3: But listen to this line following the Warner Brothers after

1021
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: party at the legendary Chasin's Restaurant, watching Paula abdul and

1022
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: John Stamos disco dance the night away alongside Sharon greg Allman,

1023
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 3: the couple of the moment, Paula and I got back

1024
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: in the limo I'd rented for the evening the same sentence,

1025
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, or what are you saying? Is this

1026
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: the second Paula in the sentence? Or is this just

1027
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: a reference to the initial Paula to Google it owned

1028
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: and driven by a guy who happened to be a

1029
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: neighbor of mine. It's also like the fact that the

1030
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: limmo was owned and driven by a neighbor and.

1031
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 4: He's smoking a doobie, but he's like, it was actually

1032
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 4: really awkward between me and Paula, and she'd lay her

1033
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 4: like head on mine and we just drove man.

1034
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, we both fell silent, fixating on the moon's reflection

1035
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 3: over the Pacific.

1036
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 4: Anyway, Basically like he breaks up with her and gets

1037
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 4: with his current wife of many ears, Amy. Okay, let's

1038
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 4: see Paula Abdul did they I'm not really seeing it.

1039
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: I think it is.

1040
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: Okay, So it's a tale of two Paula's ultimately, and

1041
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 3: maybe Paul Riser could have written that section a little

1042
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 3: bit more clearly and not have two different Paulas in

1043
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: the same sentence.

1044
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 4: Okay, before we like go to segments and Enna's he

1045
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 4: marries his dream girl Amy, like they realize like they're alcoholics,

1046
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: and then like she goes to rehabit.

1047
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 2: He doesn't go. He just gets wasted at restaurants nearby

1048
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: to or rehab.

1049
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 3: I love when she calls him and she's like, I

1050
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: have to go to rehabit's getting too crazy. It's like,

1051
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: are you taking this a little seriously? So uss they're

1052
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 3: going to rebaud I'm like, oh, oh, they are just

1053
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 3: like getting too wasted.

1054
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 4: And then like him and his wife's they're sober, they

1055
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 4: like go to Amsterdam and he's like half to a minute,

1056
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 4: we took a dinner cruise and we were pretty depressed

1057
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 4: because we saw everyone drinking and we were but.

1058
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 5: It was for the best.

1059
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 3: Segment by segment, by segment, by segment, what does she

1060
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 3: what does she wear?

1061
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 2: She wear? I mean like, oh wait.

1062
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 4: There was this iconic part where he's like, as a band, like,

1063
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 4: we were supposed to wear all these suits, but we

1064
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 4: couldn't afford them. So there was like a guy that

1065
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 4: would sit at the bar with a catalog selling us

1066
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 4: off the truck, like Mower's.

1067
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: Oh wait, I'm so desperate for this to happen.

1068
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 4: I know.

1069
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: I'm just like, either I need to meet that man

1070
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: or become that man.

1071
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 4: I sit at the bar at a club and I'm like,

1072
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 4: have a catalog in hand, and I'm like, yeah, I

1073
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 4: got off the.

1074
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: Truck to Noah.

1075
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: Bargain Ben, Noah Factory Defect, Noah. Yeah. I think like

1076
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 3: he was definitely rocking some cool flared jeans in the seventies.

1077
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1078
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: Mostly I think he was spelled tight T shirts, my

1079
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: dud little.

1080
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 4: Tight T shirts, fucking huge flares, maybe a leather jacket.

1081
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 4: I think other guys were a little crazier and he

1082
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 4: was a little man like, oh fuck man.

1083
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 3: I got my boots. Do you think now he's rocking

1084
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: like a pair of Cozy Earth sweatpants.

1085
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 4: Or yeah, I think he's Cozy Earth, And I think

1086
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 4: Amy is buying him just like button downs at j R.

1087
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: McLoughlin.

1088
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: I think he's still likes a bold color and the

1089
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: red silk literally thinking red silk shirt.

1090
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 2: And maybe something this kind of like Michael.

1091
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 3: Bolton way where he's from the past.

1092
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 2: He also has this amazing white hair that his managers

1093
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: would tell him to die and he was like no, man.

1094
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's kind of like me in that way where

1095
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 3: it's like he has this sort of light colored hair.

1096
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 5: Kind of.

1097
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 4: I see him also just being kind of Cmas where

1098
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 4: he's like boots, jeans, silky shirt on topped blazer.

1099
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. But also though, because he is a session musician,

1100
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: the sessions guys are like a little bit more just

1101
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 3: like the most normal bootcut jeans, like black stretchy T shirt, boots,

1102
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,479
Speaker 3: like they're not wearing like those like more like tight

1103
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 3: like expensive jeans.

1104
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 4: Also, he's like older. I think the jeans are looser

1105
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 4: but stretch. Do you think sometimes like his kids are

1106
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 4: pulling out like some like totally eighties clothing.

1107
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: Boots, and they're like, Dad, these are so awesome.

1108
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 2: These are so awesome, And he's like, oh my god,

1109
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: my style was ridiculous.

1110
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 3: Then oh absolutely, he's been like, oh, we had no

1111
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 3: idea how bad we left, right.

1112
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: But it was actually a grail. What does he eat?

1113
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: Fish peas?

1114
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 2: He's over blowny sandwiches. I'll tell you that.

1115
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 4: I feel like he is just kind of like really

1116
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 4: Santa Monica and like having like a healthy salmon over

1117
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 4: salad and like watching his cholesterol. And I like Amy

1118
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 4: is making like a beautiful start fry.

1119
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: She's nineties, she's California coastal.

1120
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cali coastal, still sober?

1121
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 3: How does she live? Like is it like so brown

1122
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 3: at their couch and like kind of like a lot

1123
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 3: of like Nashville accents and like big heavy frames around

1124
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: the gold records and like you know, maybe even like

1125
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 3: a Navajo throw like.

1126
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 5: Is it that?

1127
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's probably like Cheryl Crow adjacent in this

1128
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 4: way where it's like comfortable but leather because.

1129
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 3: I could also sell maybe, And it's like uster way

1130
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: where it's like you do have your production studio and

1131
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: the rest of the house is like so zen.

1132
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 4: Well, he's Oh, he's I was gonna say he's deeply Buddha,

1133
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 4: and Amy's even more Buddha.

1134
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 2: And there's like a rock her own Buddhist.

1135
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: Central that he doesn't he's not allowed to.

1136
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: He probably has like the most beautiful in house studio.

1137
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 3: I think like cedar.

1138
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 4: Costume speakers from Sweden, like banging all of Sin. Oh,

1139
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 4: banging all Sin. There's like all these different little knobs

1140
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 4: and there's like so many framed records around there, so

1141
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 4: many nobs.

1142
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: It's so knob. You know what I'm saying, Who are you?

1143
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 3: In the buck?

1144
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: I think I'm his sister selling sandwiches a woodstock.

1145
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got a hustle.

1146
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 2: I'm hustling because I'm like, well I'm going there. Let's

1147
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: make you.

1148
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 3: Are you?

1149
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: Are you the limo driver? Like smoking weed with him

1150
00:54:59,200 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: after the grad?

1151
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 3: I own a limo. You're a neighbor and a limo

1152
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: owner and driver. If I just like that guy who

1153
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 3: accidentally does all have a coke with in the bathroom

1154
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 3: and then they're like, wait, fuck, we're supposed to sell this.

1155
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 4: Wait that is you because he is supposed to meet

1156
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 4: his girlfriend. And then I feel like you're like you're

1157
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 4: like man Steven's stopping by.

1158
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 3: The like then we're talking so long and like he's

1159
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 3: been like I have to meet my girlfriend and being

1160
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: like whatever, your girlfriend sucks.

1161
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 2: And then you're like, hey, past that.

1162
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 3: Then, huh, what do I give this book? What do

1163
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 3: I give Paul and Michael's creations?

1164
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: The thing?

1165
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm giving it a two and a

1166
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: half like Sessions, Like.

1167
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 4: I'm giving it two fry boots out of five, like

1168
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 4: the music epic. But it was like a little bit

1169
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 4: of a Father's Day slog.

1170
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: It was so Father's Day. It was so like dual

1171
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 3: Father's Day, graduation present, where I'm just kind of like

1172
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: happy Birthday where I'm just kind of like, it's not

1173
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 3: very like that poetic like a lot of names. Like

1174
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: from the very like first five pages, I could, okay,

1175
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 3: Paul's doing kind of like a nice like friendly American.

1176
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: Story, friendly American story where no.

1177
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 3: One's really going to come off that negative.

1178
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 4: It was crazy where I was like, we've read something

1179
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 4: like female written books and you're.

1180
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 2: Like, damn, it's so different when a man writes a book.

1181
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 4: M just too middle aged older men mean like and

1182
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 4: then this happened no commentary and then this happened reflection,

1183
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 4: and then this happened. Name name, name, song, piece of equipment, car, taco.

1184
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 3: Bell, Yeah, it was in it was yeah, it was

1185
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 3: wikipedias boots. But what was cool is but I was

1186
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 3: cool listening to all the music I was.

1187
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 4: I was happy, and I was like discovering other songs

1188
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 4: because he was been like at that time in nineteen

1189
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 4: sixty four, a Ja Dou da Dad was the longest

1190
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 4: song on Billboard. And then I was like making a

1191
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 4: playlist of like I mean, we'll drop that, like making

1192
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 4: a playlist of songs he was listening to.

1193
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 3: In my comments.

1194
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, take a piano lesson.

1195
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: You're never too old to get better at something, yes

1196
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 3: or worse best.

1197
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: This episode was produced and ended by Darby masters Man.

1198
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: Is she a cool chick?

1199
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 4: I met her once? Well, I met her at Woodstock.

1200
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 4: She was running the parking a lot. Actually she was

1201
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 4: really good at that.

1202
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: And then we read in each other.

1203
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 8: Sixteen years later she owned this restaurant. It was one

1204
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 8: of the first restaurants serving tofu in Saint Louis.

1205
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: And I said, damn girl, you did it.

1206
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 8: Our supervising producer, Well, I met him on tour in London.

1207
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: Abous Afar a Boo.

1208
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 3: Had a couple of mild FM hits from nineteen seventy

1209
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 3: six to nineteen seventy eight. Don't think he ever got

1210
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: that gold record he was angling for, But then he

1211
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 3: did backing vocals for the wonderful Anita Baker before she passed.

1212
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: She's left so it still before she passed.

1213
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 3: We were executive produced by Shaka Khan and Christina Everrett.

1214
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 3: Our theme song was written and performed by Stephen Phillips forst.

1215
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 3: He sent me the tape and I was like, this

1216
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 3: is genius. You gotta send this to Carly Simon and

1217
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 3: he sent it to her and I hated her version,

1218
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: so we actually just ended up using the original demo.

1219
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 4: Oh man, our artwork, well, once I got my hit record,

1220
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 4: go and I started collecting.

1221
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: So this guy, Teddy Blanks, he did our artwork. He

1222
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: did a few of my albums back in the eighties.

1223
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: Really good guy. This album was originally co produced with

1224
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: Prolob Projects.

1225
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: Who what was that?

1226
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: That was in Detroit nineteen fifty two.

1227
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 3: Once you got to go review this, because if you

1228
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 3: don't review this, the label is going to drop us.

1229
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 3: So please go to Apple podcasts, Write your little hearts out,

1230
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 3: Show me what you can do.

1231
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 7: Hanging on the carpet. Okay, hand on the carpet. Had

1232
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 7: chicks are around me on the carpet.