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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Andy Johnson from the Friday Egg. I

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Speaker 1: had a great trip out to sand Hills over the

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Speaker 1: weekend in an awesome chat with Kyle Heglund. They're superintendent.

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Speaker 1: We sat down in between rounds in the sand Hills

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Speaker 1: Library and the conversation just kind of started, so we

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Speaker 1: ran with it.

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Speaker 2: So that's why there's no usual introduction.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the podcast and be sure to subscribe to the

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Speaker 1: sand Hills content that will be posted over the next

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Speaker 1: few days. As always, thanks for listening, and without further ado,

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Speaker 1: here's Kyle Heglund.

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Speaker 2: I miss a green for example, I'm already upset when

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Speaker 2: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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Speaker 2: And when I find my ball.

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Speaker 1: In a bride egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg

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Speaker 1: Frida egg, Frida egg brid egg Frida egg bride egg Lie.

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Speaker 3: I'm about ready to run off with the huff course.

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Speaker 3: How many superintendents have a wider range of temperatures.

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Speaker 2: Than you have?

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Speaker 3: I would guess not many.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's you know, we have a lot of

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Speaker 4: things that really go in our direction, like but the

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Speaker 4: temperature extremes are tough.

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Speaker 3: Like we had a day two years ago in November.

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Speaker 4: It was seventy seven degrees on a Sunday at I

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Speaker 4: was in Wisconsin three years ago because it was when

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Speaker 4: Michigan State played Ohio State and got our asses kicked.

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Speaker 4: And I was in Wisconsin visiting family and I seen

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Speaker 4: this weather come in and my assistant and I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 4: them Saturday night. They started tarping Sunday morning, called all

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Speaker 4: these high school kids, everybody we could get, and and

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Speaker 4: then I got it. Takes me twelve hours to get home.

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Speaker 4: I got here about I left. Yeah, I got hear

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Speaker 3: O'clock in the evening and it was still seventy degrees

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Speaker 3: below zero. Thirteen below zero. Like we were just we

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Speaker 3: I mean it was we got everything done. We missed

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Speaker 3: we could have lost the whole all the greens and

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Speaker 4: You just have to you have to be adaptable out here,

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Speaker 4: you just won't make it, and you have to. Superintendent's

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Speaker 4: love regimes and schedules. I hate, like if you start

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Speaker 4: I don't dig that. So and we just can't out here.

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Speaker 4: So we just tried to try to be creative.

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Speaker 2: I draft people in nuts because I never have a schedule.

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Speaker 2: I like you already, I don't know what time my

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Speaker 4: My brother is just the like he would plan out

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Speaker 2: And it seems like it just that happens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So we have a lot of those we have,

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Speaker 2: So so tell us about how you got into being

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Speaker 3: Your job's working up to I just I needed a job.

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Speaker 3: And I just knew I didn't want to work.

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Speaker 3: And it was he let me just read. So I'd

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Speaker 2: So what's your favorite architecture book?

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Speaker 3: You know, McKenzie's The Spirit of Saint Andrews. I try

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Speaker 4: That's that's a book I've gifted twenty five times. I

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Speaker 4: I just think I still have like ten copies of it.

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Speaker 4: we're proud of Malon Broncos. That's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Hey State Chance in basketball. They are huge, very proud

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Speaker 2: And he's down at U. What is it, Old marsh.

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Speaker 3: To go out and and enjoy that. It's it's pretty

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's I mean, the thing I take away

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Speaker 4: And we talked about that earlier with you guys, about

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Speaker 4: And a lot of a lot of blood, sweat and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's awesome. I mean that's a huge compliment.

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Speaker 3: I know, that's what been a Bill want. You know,

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Speaker 4: You know, I think Superintendent's lose sight of that a lot,

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Speaker 2: I would say that the natives have to be one

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Speaker 2: But you know, in terms of native grasses, it's the

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Speaker 4: Well, well I don't I mean, man, how many pictures

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Speaker 4: I don't want a monesstand of anything. I don't want

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Speaker 3: That's not natural, that doesn't look natural. That's Ben Crenshaw

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Speaker 4: I think we miss that a lot, and we're we

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Speaker 3: Some other things in there. That's fine.

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Speaker 4: You know, we want you to look out and go. Man,

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Speaker 2: So at Austin Golf Club, you you've worked your internship

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Speaker 4: Right after Yeah, after I graduated. Yes, so you got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got to see that golf course mature

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Speaker 2: How paid is it?

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Speaker 3: Some of that stuff. And you're not going to get

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Speaker 4: You're not going to just swing and hit every you know,

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it took a while to mature that.

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Speaker 3: So then they started figuring out that they really had

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Speaker 3: But then then we don't have to worry about those

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Speaker 4: you know, moving sand in and just being methodical saying

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00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,200
Speaker 4: these are just five worst bunkers, let's get those downe

441
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,200
Speaker 4: in this fall, and if we get some weather that

442
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 4: holds up, let's get five more done, you know, and

443
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,080
Speaker 4: just going from there. So that's kind of a long

444
00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,359
Speaker 4: way to answer the store answer the question.

445
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,360
Speaker 2: But hey, it's a long I apologize. No, no, and

446
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's interesting. I mean, there's so when

447
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 2: you're closing, you know, most people want to know this Monday,

448
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,680
Speaker 2: they're closing on Monday. And yes, you said to me

449
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 2: earlier in the week that that's when the work starts. Yeah,

450
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 2: so you you know, I think sand Hills is unbelievable.

451
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,959
Speaker 2: I think from like your end of the spectrum is

452
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,239
Speaker 2: you've got one hundred plus degree summers and then you

453
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 2: get to winter and it can be negative thirty out here.

454
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,640
Speaker 2: So what goes into prepping for winter.

455
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,399
Speaker 4: The first thing we do is spray soil tech. I

456
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,919
Speaker 4: mean that's like that's like project number one. Because you

457
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,399
Speaker 4: guys are out there today. If it's super dry and

458
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 4: it's blown like that, I mean, you can move quite

459
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 4: a bit of sand in the day. But we'll get

460
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,440
Speaker 4: days with a blow fifty five sixty for twenty four

461
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 4: or forty eight hours straight and that can straight move

462
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 4: some sand. So our biggest thing is let's get those

463
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 4: bunkers cleaned up, held in place, get those out of

464
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 4: the way.

465
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 3: And then we just start top dress and everything.

466
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,199
Speaker 4: And it depends on each year and how you know,

467
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 4: we might have some bunker work that we're working on.

468
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 4: But first thing we'll do is we'll probably just you know,

469
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 4: like a solid time greens and surrounds, and because we can't,

470
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 4: nobody's out here playing.

471
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 3: Once we're closed, nobody plays the golf course again, so we.

472
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 2: Just put it's seventy five and October.

473
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I have.

474
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 4: Outside of myself and Jared Kalina, you know, nobody plays.

475
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 3: Out here, So no that you know those are you know,

476
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 3: that's what we try to.

477
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 4: Get at first and foremost, and then as you know,

478
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 4: we just let's see what the weather does and we

479
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,239
Speaker 4: keep if we have If weather holds up, then we

480
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 4: keep working on bunkers. And you know, we always have

481
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 4: some car pass. You know, that's not very sexy or

482
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 4: fun to talk about but those are all native car

483
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 4: pass Those take work two and and we do that

484
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 4: and and then we just started looking at the weather

485
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,360
Speaker 4: and as soon as we think the weather is going

486
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 4: to you know, it's a little bit of a gamble.

487
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 4: You know, we're trying to keep it wet as soon

488
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 4: as we're closed, like I don't want to water anything.

489
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 4: And then once we close, like I want to keep

490
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 4: we want to be moist off, all of a sudden

491
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 4: the weather falls through the bottom we're going to go in.

492
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 3: Our biggest goal.

493
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 4: Is to go into winter as wet as possible, because

494
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 4: that just keeps us from drying out as long as

495
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 4: I don't apparently I don't want to work any harder

496
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 4: than I have to. And what we have to do

497
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 4: in the winter if it drives out is we have

498
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 4: to winter water, which is not a fun process and

499
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 4: it's not rocket science, but it.

500
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 3: Means we're out there in those terrible days and.

501
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the what's the coldest it's ever been when

502
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 2: you've been out doing stuff on.

503
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 4: The course, Well, it's just hard to gauge. It's I'm

504
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,239
Speaker 4: so used to the wind anymore. It's it's just how

505
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 4: how hard is the wind? Long the wind is just

506
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 4: howling and it's forty it's pretty miserable out there. And

507
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 4: we've had I mean, we'll have days in the spring

508
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 4: where it's just like shut it down because everybody's.

509
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 3: You can just you can just see people.

510
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 4: Getting angry or and angrier as that bunker keeps pelting

511
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 4: them in the face or you know, or just the wind.

512
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 4: Even so, so what we want to do is close

513
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 4: up and then we're thinking about we tarp greens and teas,

514
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 4: which our bak grass, and that's usually somewhere around Thanksgiving,

515
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 4: and then we blow out our irrigation system sometime after that.

516
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 4: It's usually within a week or ten days of each other.

517
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 4: And then we sit back and hope we get a

518
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 4: bunch of moisture. If we get a bunch of moisture,

519
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 4: you start crushing you know, spotted.

520
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: Cows and gray goose. And if not, then you got

521
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 3: a lot of work to do.

522
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we hope for we usually stay pretty cold

523
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 4: and pretty dry through December and January, and then we

524
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 4: usually you know, the weather starts really fluctuating in February

525
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 4: and March, and that's when you can get these really

526
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 4: massive you know, temperature swings where it can be fifty

527
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 4: five in the day thirteen below at night.

528
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: You know that's that's hard and grass. Yeah, so we

529
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 3: think we've done a good job. I've been here eleven years.

530
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 4: I would like to think we've gotten a little bit

531
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 4: better each year, and each you know, our biggest challenge

532
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 4: is coming out of winter. So if we if you

533
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 4: come out here in March and you're walking around it

534
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 4: sounds like you're walking on glass, it's not good.

535
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 3: So I've had those years.

536
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 4: We hope we don't have many of those years left

537
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 4: in us. But and a lot of that is working

538
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 4: the spring in the fall, whether it's terrifying and deep

539
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 4: tying and planet airon and doing all that kind of stuff,

540
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 4: and lots and lots and lots of top dressing. We

541
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 4: I don't have to pay for sand, get the top

542
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 4: dressed with the same sand that the whole golf course

543
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 4: is built on. Believe me, I know how nice that is.

544
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 4: But we throw a lot of sand. We just bury

545
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 4: everythinking sand in the fall completely. So we'll top dress

546
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 4: greens and teas and fairways, and as soon as we're done,

547
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 4: we'll just start again. We'll just start again continually until the.

548
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 3: Weather goes to hell.

549
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 4: We've done it as many as four times, you know,

550
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 4: before the weather goes completely bad.

551
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 3: And then in the spring, same thing.

552
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 4: We'll just keep top dressing and that helps the playability,

553
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 4: that helps us keeping it firm, and eventually it was

554
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 4: pretty thatchy and organicy when I got here ten years ago.

555
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 4: And if you'd have told me it had taken me

556
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 4: ten eleven years to get it where I kind of

557
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 4: like it out of said, you're crazy. But it's a

558
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 4: game of attrition, and you know, you get a little

559
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 4: you're twenty seven, you think you're a lot smarter than

560
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 4: when you're you know, thirty seven.

561
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: So well also, I mean, if it's over ten years,

562
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: I bet you know, it's accumulated a lot of like

563
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 2: you know, material and the soil, so it takes a

564
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: long time for that material to get out here. You

565
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: can't do it overnight unless you just started fresh.

566
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 4: Well, you know, we don't want to do anything during

567
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 4: the season, so which is a little bit of a

568
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 4: challenge and I'm certainly not complaining about.

569
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 3: You just got to be creative.

570
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 4: And what we found is, you know, when I first

571
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 4: got here, was like, oh man, you really should try

572
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 4: to get an verification during the golf season, and I

573
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 4: was like, okay, and now it's like, why would we

574
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 4: try to do that? Like we can just it just

575
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 4: it made me be more creative and made me push

576
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 4: the boundaries of what we can do with how we're

577
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 4: trying to do things, and and it's made me a

578
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 4: much better superintendent than I ever would have been anywhere else.

579
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 4: That's I mean, whether or not I'm good or not,

580
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 4: it's completely debatable, but it forced me to be creative

581
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 4: and and Dick YOUNGSKP always forced me to creatively think

582
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 4: my way through things, and he allowed me to make mistakes.

583
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 4: And so we're proud of you guys. Can if we

584
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 4: open the end of May, close the end of October.

585
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 4: We'll top dressing there this once in a while, but

586
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 4: we don't do any cultural practices outside. You'll come out.

587
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: It's supposed to be as good today as it was,

588
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: you know, May May twenty ninth, you know in theory.

589
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: So where we like that when if you were if

590
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: you were going to say when's the best time to

591
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: come out here? I know you politically it has to

592
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: be every day, you got it.

593
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 3: We're not that political.

594
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 4: I can say I would say anytime after like the

595
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 4: mid mid August to the end of the season, the

596
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 4: weather is just a lot more consistently good. Like you're

597
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 4: just you're gonna get some ninety five days, and you're

598
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 4: gonna get some sixty five days, but mostly it's good.

599
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 4: Like there's plenty of days in July where it's one

600
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 4: hundred and five and the winds blown thirty and it

601
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: feels like you're you know, somebody's just falling around with

602
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 4: the hot air, you know, blower a hair dryer, and

603
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: that's not that fun.

604
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: So this course is kind of the course that changed

605
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: modern golf design. It was the first one that it

606
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 2: was done with an extremely small budget. It was built

607
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: for the peerness of being a great golf course and

608
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: not for like a housing development. And you know, it

609
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: brought back some many of the great Golden Age principles

610
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: that you saw in a modern setting. So the man

611
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: behind it all was Dick Young Scatt. Yes, sir, so

612
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: tell us a little bit about you know that.

613
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 3: Tell you about me.

614
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I consider Dick a friend and I mean that,

615
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 4: and I think he I think he reciprocates that.

616
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 3: He is. He's just he is he is. I told

617
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: you guys earlier. He has this great line of I.

618
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 4: Have a lot of faults, but being misunderstood isn't one

619
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 4: of them, and I think that is lovely.

620
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: He is.

621
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 4: He's my only boss. I don't have a committee, I

622
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 4: don't have any of that kind of stuff. So we're

623
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 4: allowed to be creative. You know, I can go, we

624
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 4: sit down and we talk.

625
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: If we have a problem, whether it's on a golf

626
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: course or you know, whatever comes up on a superintendent,

627
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 3: it could be a staff issue, we'll sit down and talk,

628
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 3: get get to the bottom of it and move on.

629
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 4: But he is a very unique guy and I'm very

630
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 4: very fortunate to call him a mentor and a friend.

631
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: And I've shared many many you know, bud lights with him,

632
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 4: and I feel very very fortunate. And he's just a

633
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 4: very interesting, unique person. He he has a very unique

634
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 4: way of thinking. He likes being if everybody's zigging left,

635
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 4: and he definitely wants a zag right, and he wants

636
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 4: you to, you know, do the same thing with your

637
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 4: thought processes. And yeah, I don't. I mean, I could

638
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 4: talk all day about Dick. He's a great guy.

639
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: What's uh, what's the best story he's told you? About

640
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: about this place.

641
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 4: The best story I I that I can tell in

642
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 4: public is I think and it go. It's because I

643
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: got it from both sides. Dick tells this. Dick and

644
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 4: Bill tell the same story about how mad they got

645
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 4: it at how mad Dick got at Bill cooor for

646
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 4: number four Green. We talked about moving you know where

647
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 4: they pushed actual some dirt up. It's one of the

648
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 4: only green only places they moved any real soil outside

649
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 4: of cleaning up the bunkers and stuff and.

650
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: A few other little spots. But they had sat down

651
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: to talk. And they all lived together. I mean they

652
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: lived in one house, you know, so they had to

653
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 3: go home every night. You know, they were like a family.

654
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 4: And Dick is not afraid to give you his opinion ever,

655
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 4: And I love him for that. And I mean sometimes,

656
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 4: especially earlier in my career and even now, I mean,

657
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 4: if he thinks you suck at something, he'll tell you

658
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 4: you suck at something, and that hurts.

659
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: Your feelings once in a while, you gotta be okay

660
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: with that. But he's honest, and I love I love that.

661
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 4: You couldn't ask for somebody better to work for, work with,

662
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 4: and it's usually working with when it comes to Dick.

663
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 4: But they both tell the story of they were sitting

664
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 4: right in that little valley there and they had to

665
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: push that all up to make four green. And they're

666
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 4: sitting there one night and they had decided that they

667
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: Dick had thought it was going to not be pushed up,

668
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: and they were just gonna make that bunker kind of

669
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: come around the front in that little lower area and

670
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: make the green right there where where.

671
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: Bill thought that.

672
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 4: He said, do whatever you want to, go ahead, push

673
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 4: if that's what you think you need to do. So

674
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: like two days go by and Dick comes back and

675
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: here's this green pushed up to where it is right now,

676
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 4: and he just loses it on Bill, and I just

677
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 4: I and they both have they both do impressions of

678
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 4: each other, and it's it cracks me up. I can

679
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 4: still see him both doing it, and I won't do

680
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 4: it justice, but they're just they thought maybe they were

681
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 4: at a point where things were gonna get pretty surly,

682
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 4: and then but that's Dick, Dick, I've then it's over

683
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 4: and get mad, get done.

684
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: Get over. He would still tell you that that hole

685
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: is better not being pushed up. And Bill would still

686
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: tell you it's better the.

687
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: Way, see the beauty of opinion. So he was by trade,

688
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: he was an architect, so obviously a very creative guy.

689
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: And he, you know, I imagine that helped with the

690
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: relationship with Bill and Ben and giving them kind of

691
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: creative freedom in a way. And would you say that

692
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: he that's one of his strengths is like letting people

693
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: do what they do.

694
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean, I think Dick would make it simpler.

695
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: He said it many times. Is he was really busy

696
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 4: down here on all the cabins and stuff. And he

697
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: I mean, you want to talk about somebody that's involved.

698
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 4: He had his crew, you know, whether it was sewe

699
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 4: or you know, all that stuff. He was doing all

700
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 4: the infrastructure work, and there would be several days he

701
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 4: just trusted Ben and Bill that they were going to

702
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 4: do the right thing most of the time.

703
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: You know that story I.

704
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 4: Just told you, which is why I think it's funny,

705
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: and because they were just.

706
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: Pissed off at each other and I think that's great.

707
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: But he allowed them to do their job.

708
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 4: And but he was involved, you know, they you know,

709
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: they had a lot of conversations for a long long time.

710
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: And Dick tells a great story that he was just at.

711
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was, uh, Golf Weeks or whatever.

712
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: They had a roundtable discussion where Dick was with Mike

713
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 4: Kaiser and Ben and Bill, and they had this question

714
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 4: come up to Bill Kohor and and like this lady

715
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 4: asked this question, like, hey, it must have been so

716
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 4: much fun building you know, your time into sand Hills,

717
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 4: and Bill's like, wasn't that much fun?

718
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: You know?

719
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: And I think that's a great analogy of they all

720
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 3: knew it was very important to everybody involved that they

721
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: got it right. And I think that shows with the

722
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: with the golf course. I can brag about it because

723
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: I don't have anything to do with any of that.

724
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: But they all respected each other an awful lot, and they.

725
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 4: Allowed each other to be creative and have creative thoughts.

726
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: And I think the product shows, you know, they were

727
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 4: they didn't want to mess it up, you know, everybody

728
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: everybody involved, you know, Dick included.

729
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 3: And I think I think they got it right and

730
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: I think they had pretty good Ji.

731
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: I don't have many complaints. I don't think they really

732
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: messed it up. And people probably known in a lot,

733
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: so it's me too. It's ironic that we're here the

734
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: same week that they're playing at Liberty National that costs

735
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty million to build, compared to of course,

736
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: that costs less than a million to build here. In

737
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: terms of Bill and Ben, how how much are they

738
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: still involved and how often are they out here? And

739
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: you know, what's your guys working relationship like with you know,

740
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: continue to make updates and.

741
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 4: Man humble bragg like I like Bill will send me

742
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 4: like emojis and stuff.

743
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: So I think we're kind of friends.

744
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: Yea friend zone.

745
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: No, it's I talked to Bill when I try not

746
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: to bother. Bill is busy.

747
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 4: He travels hundreds of days of years, undred nice, I said, years,

748
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 4: nice English. I try not to be a bother. He

749
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: hears more from me. In the spring of the fall,

750
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 4: and we're actually doing some work on the golf course.

751
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 4: Ben and Bill were both out here for a week

752
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 4: this year. We walked around some stuff and just you know,

753
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: we'll just go through the golf course and as Bill

754
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: would call it a walk, we'll just go out and

755
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 4: walk and talk about maybe this bunker, maybe that bunker,

756
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 4: maybe this grass line, maybe that grass line, maybe.

757
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: This edge of this you know, we just try to

758
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: have a conversation. Then the next day we you know,

759
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 3: kind of sit down and well, let's go back to

760
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: that spot and let's go look at that again. And

761
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if I agree with's what you're doing,

762
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: you know, you know, we'll just hash it out. So

763
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 3: i'd say, Bills here probably every other year. Ben's here

764
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: once or twice a year. So I'm and I you know,

765
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: Ben being an Austin golf club.

766
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 4: I know Ben really really well. I have no problem

767
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 4: you know, approaching him. If I have any questions, we'll

768
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: just talk about it. But you know, when it comes

769
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 4: to the golf course stuff, you know, I really don't

770
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 4: want to bother Ben.

771
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 3: He's he's super busy, so I'll just either.

772
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 4: Call Bill or we'll send some text back and forth.

773
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 4: And we just want their intent to be right, you know,

774
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 4: we just want the golf course to play exactly how

775
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 4: they intended it.

776
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: So, so you've worked closely with these guys for your

777
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: basically career.

778
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: Very very fortunate, lucky, very lucky. I'm okay, Well, saying.

779
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: That, what would you say that each of them, what's

780
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,479
Speaker 2: there each of their best traits and like what makes

781
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: them so great.

782
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 4: I aspire to be as good a person as both

783
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 4: of those guys are. They're just great people. I've seen

784
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 4: Ben and Austin where he's like a rock star in

785
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 4: Austin and he could go to I've been in a

786
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 4: car with them at a gas station and somebody will

787
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: just come up knocking on the.

788
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 3: Door and hey, Ben, you know remember that time.

789
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: I'm ten years ago and like, what the hell is

790
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 4: going on here? And he's such a great person, and

791
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 4: like he always remembers everybody's he's he has an uncanny

792
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 4: knack to always remember people's names and faces that he's met.

793
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 4: And he's wonderful at engaging people. Bill is just straightforward.

794
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 4: I mean, Bill is also a great guy. He just

795
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 4: Bill has no problem saying he didn't like something, or

796
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 4: he wants to change something, or why don't.

797
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: We try this? And he is he's very creative.

798
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: He always he always takes his time to think out

799
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 4: what he's like.

800
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: He's not he's not impulsive. He's very methodical. Like if

801
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: he says I don't like the corner of.

802
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 4: That bunker, that's not because he just walked up there

803
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 4: and said, yeah, I don't like that. He looked at it.

804
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: He thought about it, probably went to bed. Like if

805
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: I tell somebody like, oh yeah, I'll think about that,

806
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: Like I forget about it.

807
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: I don't think about it.

808
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: Like I think Bill thinks about it all the way

809
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 4: until he comes back and talks to you again.

810
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 2: That he's thinking about it.

811
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I do that all the time. Dix like

812
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 3: that too.

813
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 4: He's when if he says he's thinking about something, he's

814
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 4: definitely thinking about it. I kind of that's my get

815
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 4: out of, you know, the way conversation piece.

816
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 3: So I don't know if I answer that question properly.

817
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 3: But they're both. I talked to you guys a little

818
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 3: bit earlier. They worked so well together.

819
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 4: I spent some time with him, you know together, and

820
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 4: I was giving him a hard time because they just

821
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 4: they have a lot of the same mannerisms, Like they are.

822
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 4: They work so well together, Like you can just tell

823
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: their they just really trust and admire each other. And

824
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 4: that's pretty impressive. When you can be, you know, confident

825
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 4: that the person next to you has your best interest,

826
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 4: you know, you can you can be honest.

827
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: You know, I'm fortunate.

828
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 4: You know, my old assistant, he's the superintendent, Bally Meal

829
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 4: now is we we had that, and you know, we

830
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 4: could just say, man, I think your idea fucking sucks

831
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 4: or whatever it is, you know, and uh, that makes

832
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 4: you better. And I think Ben, I don't think they'll

833
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 4: swear that much, but I mean the thing, Ben and

834
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: Bill do that, and they have that, and they have

835
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 4: had that for a long time, and it's impressive to

836
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 4: just I just shut my mouth and watch them do

837
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: their thing and feel very very fortunate that I that

838
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: they'll even you know, pick up the phone if I

839
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: call or have a question.

840
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: So it's you got to have somebody that's honest with you,

841
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: like I get. I get emails from listeners and readers

842
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: all the time that are like, I don't want to

843
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: be an asshole, A you suck. And it's like I

844
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 2: like that, and it's the best thing because I don't

845
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 2: even know I say, like I used to always say

846
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: something about like it's interesting or something, and like some

847
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: guy like was like, you say this all the time,

848
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: and I try and get better. I never thought I'd

849
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: have a podcast in a millionaires. But it's the only

850
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: way you can find out you suck is something is

851
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: if somebody tells you you suck.

852
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: You got to be, you know, and if we want

853
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 4: to turn that full circle back to like Dick young

854
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 4: Stamp's not afraid to tell you you suck and if

855
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 4: you're there needs to be more of that. And I

856
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: don't care what business you're in life, in life, just

857
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 4: somebody that's like, hey, how about you not do that?

858
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 4: And as a young guy, there were several times I

859
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: probably had my feelings pretty well hurt. But he made

860
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 4: me a better person first and foremost, but definitely a

861
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 4: better superintendent and someone that's just like, you can't be

862
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 4: so defensive. I think superintendent's a real defensive bunch, and

863
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 4: I try not to be as many times as possible.

864
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: I feel like they just you can't be sensitive because

865
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 2: you get there's they're at every club, every course, there's

866
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: the the vocal ten percent minority who are just gonna

867
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: be mad about anything because they stink at golf and

868
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: they just don't get it and they're just mad about

869
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: stinking at golf, so they then take it out on

870
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 2: the course.

871
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 4: Or I agree, you just you have to. I mean,

872
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 4: I'm not saying anything that's new. You have to have

873
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 4: a thick skin to be a superintendent, but you also

874
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 4: gotta be okay with somebody like there's probably probably have

875
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 4: some good ideas once in a while that you're just

876
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 4: not listening to anybody.

877
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: You gotta be.

878
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 4: Okay with somebody's thinking you suck. I hope, I hope

879
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 4: your boss is okay saying you suck more than once.

880
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: I'm I know Dick would say I'll suck right now.

881
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: If I was doing he might say I sucked at this.

882
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you'll.

883
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: Listen to it, it's uh, yeah, you got it. Every

884
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: everybody stinks in someone. Yeah, and my my.

885
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 3: Whole the I'm terrible at a lot of things.

886
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: My whole theory and life as everybody's an idiot.

887
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: I like that.

888
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: And you know, you're genius in some aspect of life,

889
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: but an idiot and another. And if you don't embrace

890
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: the fact that you're an idiot in some way, like

891
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot. If I have to plan anything, people

892
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: are gonna hate me.

893
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 3: I respect that.

894
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: I like that. But so what would be like if

895
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: if for other superintendent or like a Greens committee, sure

896
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: say you weren't at of course that.

897
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 3: Had it's nice.

898
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: What would be your advice to like Greens committees or

899
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: superintendents or any members like in working with an architect

900
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: like overtime, and like you know, what would what would

901
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: you say?

902
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: Is like important thing. I've already told you. I'm an

903
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: architecture dork, nerd whatever you want to call it.

904
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 4: I love that stuff. I don't think I'm an architect

905
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 4: that's I never had those aspirations, but I've given some

906
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: talks I would love. I love the conversation of I

907
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: think it's very interesting. And I'm gonna steer at one

908
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 4: one all go back and answer your question.

909
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 3: I talk a lot. I don't think superintendent's a play

910
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: enough golf, and I don't think that they know enough

911
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: about architecture. There's there's some there's like Sean Totally at

912
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: the Metal Club.

913
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 4: That guy is, oh my god, he knows everything about

914
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 4: everything in architecture. But it'll only make you a better

915
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: superintendent if you know some You just have to know

916
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 4: the basics.

917
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: You don't have to you know.

918
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 4: And I challenge guys that, And it's so cheap you

919
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 4: just get a few books or you know, even if

920
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 4: you're at just the little course down the road, like

921
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 4: pick up the phone.

922
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 3: I really challenge.

923
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: People to, like, why haven't you seen you live in

924
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: Chicago and you've never seen short acres or like make

925
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 4: them turn you away, like you know, the easiest way.

926
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I shouldn't say this is called the superintendent.

927
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 4: They're usually gonna be okay, maybe you're not gonna play golf,

928
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 4: and that's fine. Yeah, go walk around the place some

929
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 4: morning and just go, holy shit, that was pretty amazing,

930
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 4: and don't be afraid to go look, you know, and superintendent,

931
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: it's really don't want to go to somebody else's golf course.

932
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 3: I love I'll go to I love golf. I love

933
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: going on the.

934
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 4: Golf courses and seeing what other people are doing. And

935
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 4: I feel very, very fortunate to get to do that.

936
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: I wish more people did more of that, just to

937
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 4: just to immerse themselves. And some of them just have

938
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 4: a little working knowledge in golf architecture. I think as

939
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 4: a superintendent is a very cheap and effective way to

940
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 4: become a little bit better superintendent.

941
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 3: You knowing the intent a little bit, and you don't

942
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 3: have to be at a Donald Ross or a Core

943
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: French Shaw you could.

944
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I think every place had an architect one way,

945
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 4: shape or form outside of.

946
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 3: The old course, see what they're.

947
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 4: Trying to think and maybe you can, maybe you can

948
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 4: make some suggestions that play the way you know, or

949
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 4: call that architect up if he's still alive, or you know,

950
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 4: or get there's so many young, aspiring, great young architect

951
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 4: guys out there. The Riley Johns, the Blake Conans, the Keiths, ReBs,

952
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 4: all the the Rob Collins. All these guys are so

953
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: talented and it's such a like Superintendent's bitch about the

954
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 4: market being.

955
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: Tough for us, Like, wow, try to be a golf architect.

956
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: Those guys are so talented.

957
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 4: You could just call one of those guys up and

958
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 4: they come out, they probably for little to nothing, and

959
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 4: walk around, say hey, why don't you just what about this?

960
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 4: And if that's what you want to do, now shift

961
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 4: into a greens committee. If you're at a place that

962
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 4: has a great old architect, I think you should reach

963
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 4: out to somebody if the guy, if if the architects alive,

964
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 4: let's get him involved. If he's not, you know, they're

965
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 4: like Jeff meant, there's so many of these guys that

966
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 4: do so many great things. Just go make a phone

967
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 4: call and say, let's let's at least get a plan.

968
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 4: Let's what do you think what do you do you

969
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 4: think we're doing it right. Let's let's get the architecture

970
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 4: on display, and let's not worry about, you know, what

971
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 4: can we do that's not going to cost us a

972
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: bunch of money first, you know, maybe it's just a

973
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 4: tree or two, or maybe just a grass line that

974
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 4: doesn't cost much. We always get so worried it's going

975
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 4: to cost you ten million dollars. And I understand that,

976
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 4: but let's talk to the architect before we worry about,

977
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 4: you know, doing the upgrade to the clubhouse or whatever

978
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 4: it is. You know, And I think, I don't know.

979
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 4: I think as a superintendent, depending I know, greens committees

980
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 4: are different and summer two and four and six year

981
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 4: terms just start working those like hey, or maybe as

982
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 4: a superintendent you need to have a relationship with some

983
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 4: of these guys and go, hey, let's let's hear what

984
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 4: this guy has to say about what he thinks we

985
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 4: should do. I think, I mean, I don't know if

986
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 4: that's really answering your question.

987
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: No, that's a good answer.

988
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 4: It bothers me that that we would like to just

989
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 4: put the blinders on and not not a not play

990
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 4: golf and be not be worried about how the golf

991
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 4: course is supposed to play.

992
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: And it's some generalization.

993
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 4: Obviously, there's some really really good guys that do really

994
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 4: really great things.

995
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: M H. I put together a list of books. I

996
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: think that's a great thing.

997
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: But that's a smart idea.

998
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: I had a reader who is a librarian and informed

999
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: me that that ninety percent of the books that I

1000
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: had on that list were available at your local library. Really,

1001
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: so you could just go to a public library. You

1002
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: don't even have to pay for the books. You could just.

1003
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: And I've seen just.

1004
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 4: More like like every course, especially if it's some every

1005
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: course has some golf dork guys that you or me

1006
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 4: or whoever that is more.

1007
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: Than happy to like, Hey, yeah, here you go. Why

1008
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: don't you borrow these books and go read them and

1009
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 3: give them back to me.

1010
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: You know, I think some people think I'm a menace

1011
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: because I just.

1012
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 3: Run around.

1013
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: Screen.

1014
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: I respect that.

1015
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: Some powering menace menice to golf courses. So how many

1016
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: how many core Crunchhaw courses have you played?

1017
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 3: Oh? My goodness, Austin Golf Club. Obviously sand Hills, the

1018
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: Warren Course, it's a good one. Sand Valley Friars said what.

1019
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: Are your top three core Crunch courses.

1020
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: Can't put sand Hills in there because I'm biased. We'll

1021
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 3: just I've played. I'm just trying to think. I'm man.

1022
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 4: I'm not very smart anymore, Friar said, is really really impressive.

1023
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 4: I've not got to see Eastampton or that's really really good.

1024
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 4: I would love to see Old Sandwich. I just have

1025
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 4: never got up there. The place looks amazing from the

1026
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 4: pictures i've seen. Sand Valley's really good. Yeah, I played

1027
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 4: that last fall.

1028
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 3: Man, is that good?

1029
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 4: It's really good, really good. Austin Golf Club's fun, Roston

1030
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: Golf clubs. Really it's hard, but it's it's probably the

1031
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,479
Speaker 4: only in Ben and billkindsfut. That's probably the only corner

1032
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 4: Crunshaw that's a little bit more Ben than Bill, you know,

1033
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 4: because Ben's there all the time, and it's it has

1034
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 4: a different, different feeling look than you are.

1035
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 3: The ones that I've seen. I was at Seminole this winter.

1036
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 4: It was fortunate enough to go there and seeing what

1037
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 4: they're doing there, that's gonna be pretty amazing. I've not

1038
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 4: been to Pinehurst number two since they've redone.

1039
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 3: All that stuff.

1040
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 4: I'd love to get and see that there's so much

1041
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 4: golf coming out. I'm I'm hopefully gonna go see something.

1042
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: I get some moisture, have clubs, will travel.

1043
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: I love love. I've not been a it looks cool,

1044
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: I know, you know that was one of the first

1045
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 3: they did that.

1046
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 4: Before they did this, I played the cliff the crnch

1047
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 4: Eyed Cringe Shaw cliff Side. That's a mouthful at Barton

1048
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 4: Creek And that's a cool little spot too.

1049
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: Do you have a pet peeve going.

1050
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 4: To some great golf course and just just not maintained

1051
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 4: the way that even marginally maintained the way it needs

1052
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 4: to be where there's just no shots are available, Like,

1053
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 4: oh man, that would be such a fun shot if

1054
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 4: that was you can get that shot.

1055
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: I played the course I played before I came here.

1056
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: I had we had a US four ball qualifier at

1057
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: and it's like they have a huge maintenance budget. But

1058
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: it's a it's like the complete opposite.

1059
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: Golfs are up here.

1060
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 2: It's a and the guy he designed the course himself.

1061
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: It's a disaster. But then like you couple it with

1062
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: like it hasn't rained in Chicago like at all, so

1063
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: it's like the greens are really firm, but the fringes

1064
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: an eight prints are so soft because he needs it

1065
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: has to be lush and green.

1066
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: That is a tough That might be the toughest mix

1067
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: to play is super firm greens and everything else is soft.

1068
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 2: I mean, that is it's a disaster.

1069
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 3: That is so hard to play. That is so hard.

1070
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: That's maybe that's what the USGA needs to do. That

1071
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 3: is really hard to play.

1072
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: What do you think this score would be out here

1073
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 2: if you had a PGA Tour events.

1074
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: If it's windy like today, then who knows.

1075
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 4: But if it's I just played as a kid a

1076
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 4: couple of days ago that he shot even par My

1077
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 4: good friend Jared Kline, who's that bally Neil is a

1078
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: really good player, and I played with them. He shot

1079
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 4: sixty six out of here from the tips, so I

1080
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 4: think they It just depends, you know. I mean I

1081
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 4: played it Ben out here more than one time, and

1082
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 4: it's not like he took it super low. Of course,

1083
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 4: records sixty one, so yeah, but that was on a

1084
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 4: dead calm day. It's there for the taking if you

1085
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 4: know where to go. But if you just a bunch

1086
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 4: of guys come out here and we could extend it

1087
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 4: quite a bit too. If we if we if we

1088
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 4: thought we were going to have a tournament, which is

1089
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,479
Speaker 4: not going to happen, you know, I think you could

1090
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 4: make it. It's it's it's kind of sad the way

1091
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 4: the golf ball is gone. I don't want to try

1092
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 4: to turn it into that conversation, but it's just these

1093
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 4: guys hit.

1094
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 2: The ball so far.

1095
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 4: You're like, like every golf course is inadequate anymore.

1096
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 3: It's it's sad. It's it's unfortunate.

1097
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: It just goes so straight too. It's not just the far,

1098
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: it's like the ball doesn't curve, and especially with a

1099
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: course that built for wind, when the ball doesn't spin,

1100
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 2: like you lose some of it the defense.

1101
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: It'd be fun to watch them when on a daylight today,

1102
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: when they're out there, and I would enjoy watching a

1103
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 3: bunch of tour pros go out and knock it around,

1104
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 3: see what shots, because they can hit those shots. I

1105
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: would just love to watch them hit it.

1106
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: I had it going for a while and then the

1107
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: wind just just beat the crap out of me down.

1108
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 3: It's off when the wind like will dictate how your

1109
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: ball breaks, you know, because I'm not a good enough putter. Anyways,

1110
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 3: and when you got you know, two or three breaks,

1111
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 3: and that the wind will put like I'm not making that, but.

1112
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: The way the course goes the whole back nine, it

1113
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: goes out and then it comes right back and with

1114
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: that south wind, it is cross all in. Crosswind is

1115
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 2: just south of this hard. It's just the hardest wind

1116
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: to play because you're constantly uncomfortable, you're not sure. It

1117
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 2: affects your distance and your dispersion, which is like you know,

1118
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 2: like if it's into the wind, a good player knows

1119
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: how far the ball's going to go. If it's downwind,

1120
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: you generally know pretty much how far the ball is

1121
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 2: gonna go. But those cross winds that you get out

1122
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: here are just that's that's the uh, that's the the

1123
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: ultimate defense.

1124
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 4: I think, Well, and the wind will you know this

1125
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 4: time ere doesn't change a lot.

1126
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: But in the summer you'll get.

1127
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 4: Two winds a lot, like you'll get a morning wind

1128
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 4: and it'll come out of the south and then maybe

1129
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 4: it comes out of the north of the west, and you'll.

1130
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: I mean that's two different I mean it you guys

1131
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 3: have been on here now.

1132
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: That affects play a lot and how you're gonna attack

1133
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 4: and what shots you're forced to hit, And I think

1134
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 4: that's that's a mark of a good golf course. I

1135
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 4: think for one, obviously I'm a homer to my own

1136
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 4: golf course, but it's uh, I've had a lot of

1137
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 4: fun hitting those shots and seeing what what does want?

1138
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: So what's your favorite course outside of sand Hills?

1139
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: Man? That is? I've been very fortunate to play some

1140
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: awesome courses.

1141
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 4: Humble Bragg, National, I mean, Ben and Bill will will

1142
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 4: tell you you got to go to see National. I

1143
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 4: mean I've I've bet I'm the guy just yapping at

1144
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 4: their tails all the time asking them all these tom

1145
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 4: golf architecture questions and they like, you got to go

1146
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 4: see it.

1147
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 3: And I've been.

1148
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 4: Fortunate enough to play it. It's wonderful.

1149
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 3: Cypress Point is really really good.

1150
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 4: Really, I was impressed by how good the inland holes

1151
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 4: were at Cyprus.

1152
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 3: It's really good. Shintacock's really good, man, I thought, Seminole

1153
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: when when Ben and Bill get done with that, stuff

1154
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: is going to be really really good too. Yeah.

1155
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,479
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just gonna like list all the really

1156
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 4: cool courses I've been on.

1157
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: What's your what's your what's your favorite hidden gem then,

1158
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: like one that doesn't get talked about enough. It should be.

1159
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 2: It could be something around here too.

1160
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: I don't think people I don't think people play wild

1161
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 4: Horse enough. I think wild Horse is such a world

1162
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 4: class golf course and it's cost you.

1163
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: Nothing and it's under fifty bucks.

1164
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 4: Right, it's like just out of the cusp of me

1165
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 4: playing there like every single day because it's like an

1166
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 4: hour and a half for me to get there, which

1167
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 4: is just like a half hour more than it needs

1168
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 4: to be. Josh, Josh Mayris was superintendent. It wasn't assistant

1169
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 4: out here for a long time, well not a long time,

1170
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 4: a few years, and then he's been there since day one.

1171
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 4: And it's a really smart golf course and it's always

1172
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 4: in great shit.

1173
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 3: It's always firm and.

1174
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 4: Fast, and it's you can go and with your buddies

1175
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 4: and you're not going to spend one hundred bucks. And

1176
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 4: I think we need more of that golf, you know,

1177
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 4: and the country. I don't care where you're at. It's

1178
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 4: just it's wonderful. He's They ought to have a statue

1179
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 4: of that guy up there. I mean, he's just a

1180
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 4: good superintendent. Is can make or break a golf course

1181
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 4: like that, and that place has been so good for

1182
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 4: so long, it's wonderful. Another one is like cow Club

1183
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 4: is so good man. I thought that was just expertly maintained.

1184
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 3: It was just, you know, it was you were hitting

1185
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: all the shots you were supposed to hit. Not everybody

1186
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 3: talks about it. When you go to that San Francisco area.

1187
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:36,959
Speaker 3: And you know.

1188
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: Jeff's Minge who you mentioned earlier, you know, he says

1189
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 2: that Avy McCann might have been the greatest golf course

1190
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 2: architecture that nobody knows about because he was just building

1191
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: courses up in the Pacific Northwest.

1192
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 4: Well, I went to I was fortunate enough to go

1193
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 4: to Seattle this year. I talked to a bunch of

1194
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 4: the Western Washington guys I'd never really been up there before,

1195
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 4: and talked to some market about and we went to Chambers,

1196
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 4: which I thought was really good.

1197
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 3: It was a terrible logo, but a great golf course.

1198
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: I thought, you gotta go to that Loan Tree.

1199
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something. I mean. I love golf. I love logos.

1200
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: I'm a logo.

1201
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 2: Do I send you my logo rankings. Let's see, I

1202
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 2: gotta form you gotta fill it out. I'm all in submissions.

1203
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 4: I have kids will just bring me stuff because I

1204
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 4: love that stuff. Anyways, and we talked about McCain and

1205
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 4: and I love all that stuff, like especially something I've

1206
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 4: never seen, like, holy cow, let's go look at that

1207
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,479
Speaker 4: little place and let's go. It'd be cool to see

1208
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 4: more and more of that. I never get up there enough.

1209
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 4: I think that part of the country is wonderful and

1210
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 4: I just need to see more of it.

1211
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: You're right.

1212
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: I think one of the issues with McCann up there

1213
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: is that there's a big tree problem. Tree management programs

1214
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: up there are like planting trees. Oh, who is that?

1215
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: Most of the time the fans in check in on

1216
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 2: he think he got? Is the number confused with the

1217
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 2: cheesecake factory?

1218
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 3: Like that?

1219
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: I can't take credit. That's Zach Claire's.

1220
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 3: That's funny.

1221
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 2: Got a funny story there. That's another story for another day.

1222
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: So the legend out here, like you know, it's not

1223
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: a legend. You see it in here. One hundred and

1224
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: eighty holes they found on this massive piece of property

1225
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: that's actually a small piece of property via Sandhills standards.

1226
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: He has there ever been thought about, you know, building more.

1227
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 3: I think they entertained it a lot early on.

1228
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 4: You know, I just you know, they were still just

1229
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,479
Speaker 4: trying to figure out how it was all going to work,

1230
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 4: you know. You know, they really just thought they were

1231
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 4: just going to build this golf course.

1232
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 3: For their buddies, and I was going to be it.

1233
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 3: They didn't have any aspirations. I think Ben and Bill did,

1234
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 3: but I don't think Dick that it was going to

1235
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 3: be this world phenomenon. Yeah, my words not.

1236
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 4: But they they've thought about it. You know when you

1237
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 4: look at that consolation maps that's just up in the

1238
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 4: dining room, and I look at it a lot. I

1239
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 4: know that sounds super dorky, but it's I still believe.

1240
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,959
Speaker 4: I mean I've if i'd have like one, I haven't

1241
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 4: a pocket.

1242
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 3: I have like a hundred of them. So yeah, I've

1243
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 3: taken it off in photocopy. Yes, I've done that.

1244
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 4: Anyways, you know, they they it was it's a lot

1245
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 4: when you start, it's like, how do you get it

1246
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 4: all the fit together? Yeah, they you know, from what

1247
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 4: Ben and Bill and Dick have all said, it was

1248
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 4: always based on the principle that it wasn't always going

1249
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 4: to be one seventeen and eighteen. We're going to be

1250
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 4: actually one seven, but those three holes, it was all

1251
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 4: like those were always going to be there, no matter what.

1252
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 4: And they have some great stories of you know, off

1253
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 4: the back of Ford Green and going you know east.

1254
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 3: That way was some that they really liked. And and

1255
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: and then there's a great story of where twelve is.

1256
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,959
Speaker 3: You know, you know, they walk this property for year.

1257
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: I know I heard that Bill actually camped on the property.

1258
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: Is that true or I.

1259
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 4: Cannot I cannot confirm nor deny that. I haven't heard

1260
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 4: that he camped out here. I mean, I think they

1261
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 4: were drinking plenty of corps lights and stuff.

1262
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 2: It might have been.

1263
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 4: Unintentional, but I can't confirm or deny that either. But

1264
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 4: a great story that I don't that a lot of

1265
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 4: people know out here, that I think is always really

1266
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 4: interesting is eighty seven hundred acres, which is a pretty

1267
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 4: small parcel land out here. They're walking, and they've been walking,

1268
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 4: and they've they're where twelve Green is right over our

1269
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 4: thirteen thirteen Green and then twelve and there's that little

1270
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 4: maintenance path that goes between them that used to be

1271
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 4: the property line. And they come back one day and

1272
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 4: like Dick, Ben and Bill, like we need another one

1273
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 4: hundred acres over here.

1274
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 3: He's like, you got eighty seven hundred we need.

1275
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 4: So they had to do this handshake deal where they

1276
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 4: had to reroute this parcel and you know, Going, it's

1277
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,919
Speaker 4: a great story because Dick tells it talking to Going

1278
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 4: and I'll get the guy's name, Ron, whoever owned the

1279
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 4: parcel land there.

1280
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, can we just you know, He's like,

1281
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 3: you want to do what you know?

1282
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 4: Like it's just not even fathomable to a rancher, like

1283
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 4: you just want to move that fence there for one

1284
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 4: hundred acres, Like what.

1285
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 3: The hell are we doing here?

1286
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1287
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 4: You know, but that gave us twelve fourteen fifteen. Yeah,

1288
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 4: and I don't think anybody fourteen I think.

1289
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 3: Is my favorite hole out here. I just I really

1290
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 3: like fourteen a lot.

1291
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: I think it's a spectacular whole. It's especially with this

1292
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: south wind because it's impossible to hit the ball down

1293
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: the west side today.

1294
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: But don't hit it in those bunkers either. That's what

1295
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 3: I think is so great.

1296
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 4: Like you get rewarded if you hit it left, but yeah,

1297
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 4: you get killed if you hit it too far left.

1298
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 3: And you can I play with guys.

1299
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 4: Where you just tap in Birdie and no problem and

1300
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 4: other guys where you get up there and you may

1301
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 4: double because like green is you know, it's tiny, it's

1302
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 4: just tiny, and it's just you know, I'm a I'm

1303
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 4: a fanboy obviously.

1304
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: How many green can't be more than three thousand squares. Yeah,

1305
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: it's this.

1306
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Speaker 3: Time of the year.

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00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 4: You know, we don't fertilize really at all in relative terms.

1308
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 3: So I mean, you guys can see all those little

1309
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 3: plugs and stuff. This time of year. It's pretty thin

1310
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 3: out there, so there's not a lot of playable, pinnable

1311
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 3: locations on fourteen.

1312
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a it's a I mean, either of way,

1313
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: either side.

1314
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,439
Speaker 3: You put it. It's tough. It's it's tough.

1315
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 4: Just play just play it up like next to the left, yes,

1316
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 4: and then then you have many options. But if you

1317
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 4: go right in front of that stuff on the right,

1318
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 4: that's a tough shot. I was just playing with somebody

1319
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 4: yes two days ago, and they hit it over the

1320
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 4: green and everything on top of the hill there because

1321
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 4: they just scald one and like double bogie, here we go.

1322
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: It's the best, I mean, and entice it. It's so short,

1323
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: it's a short part five, and it's so short that

1324
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: it entices it you feel like you have to go

1325
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: for it. And that's I think that's one of the

1326
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: things that golf courses mess up so much, is like,

1327
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: if you have a short part five, just like, let

1328
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: people try and go for it, because they're probably gonna

1329
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: get themselves in all kinds of trouble.

1330
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 4: That's a really smart way to say it. I have

1331
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 4: stood so many times on that little hill, you know,

1332
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 4: not down the swale, which I think is really you

1333
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 4: get really rewarded if you hit it down there, and

1334
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 4: it's like, hey, just hit your six irond right there

1335
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 4: and don't worry about.

1336
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 3: We're only two hundred out. I can get there. I'm like,

1337
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:35,479
Speaker 3: i've seen you play.

1338
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 4: You're not hitting it into that little tiny spot just

1339
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 4: like you're gonna make berdie if you hit just a

1340
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 4: nice shot right there and be done with it. And

1341
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 4: they hit a nice bunk ground they make double bogie

1342
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 4: and you know, all right, here we go.

1343
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 3: And I've done that plenty of times.

1344
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: So you want to do some overrated, underrated Sure, you're

1345
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 2: the overrated underrated guy. Yeah. Ocean front holes, I.

1346
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 4: Think they're properly they're pretty like it's be hard to

1347
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 4: stand on fifteen to pick one.

1348
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: You can't pick properly raised.

1349
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: Ryan Silva, I think said properly Raydon, I'm it was.

1350
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: All right.

1351
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 4: I get no pass overrated because it doesn't make it

1352
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 4: great golf all it is awesome. If there's a great

1353
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 4: golf holl and there's ocean there, it's really cool. Like

1354
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 4: I said, it'd be hard to say, you're on fifteen

1355
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 4: at Cyprus and you don't go, holy shit, this is awesome.

1356
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 4: You don't get that here at all?

1357
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: Have you? Have you played dismal river? I hear there's

1358
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 2: just bad No.

1359
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any black But I got here

1360
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 4: eleven years ago, the original ownership, and it was a

1361
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 4: little bit of a difficult situation. But in you know,

1362
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 4: I'll give Dick all the credit in the world. We

1363
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 4: you know, all our employees are from Mullen. You know,

1364
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 4: they live in Mullen. They're part of Mullen or part

1365
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 4: of the community. You know, my crew in the summer

1366
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 4: is twenty two and they're high school and college kids

1367
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 4: and I love each and every one of them. But

1368
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 4: we don't you know, there's only five hundred people in

1369
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 4: Mullen and other couple hundred in the surrounding area.

1370
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 3: The community takes care of us, and we do our

1371
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 3: best to try to take care of the community as

1372
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 3: much as we can. And I think originally that wasn't

1373
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 3: necessarily dismal Rivers. And I'm not The current ownership, I

1374
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 3: think is doing great things and I think they will

1375
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 3: be nothing but successful, and I wish them nothing but

1376
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 3: the best. I played both those courses a bunch. I

1377
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 3: think I'm an architecture guy. I don't love.

1378
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 4: I don't love the White course, the Nicolas course. It's

1379
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 4: a little you know, talk about we talked about punch bowls.

1380
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 4: There's a bunch of punch balls there.

1381
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 3: And it's it's just not my cup of tea.

1382
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 4: You can see a lot of heart where they pushed

1383
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 4: it's it could be really hard, really really hard.

1384
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 2: Bunkers pushed down the left sides of greens.

1385
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's just And I'm, like I said, I'm

1386
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 4: not trying to get I wish we're not in like

1387
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 4: everybody wants to say, we're in some type of competition,

1388
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 4: like we have no desire to see them do anything

1389
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 4: but successful things over myself included, and their Superintendent Mark

1390
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 4: Stencil has been there for a long time and they

1391
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 4: do the best they can of what they got.

1392
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 3: And I like the Doe course.

1393
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 4: The Dope courses a little interesting in a couple of

1394
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 4: spots where you know, it kind of goes across the

1395
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 4: road and stuff like that, and I'm not certainly not

1396
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,959
Speaker 4: discrediting it, but I mean, I'd rather go.

1397
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 3: Play ballyt Neil, you know. That's that's my opinion though.

1398
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: That's we're going there, and Ballet.

1399
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 4: Neil is wonderful, really really good, really good.

1400
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: What's your who's your favorite Golden Age architect?

1401
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm such a I like the mc you know,

1402
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 4: McDonald rayner stuff, you know, but I'm probably my eye

1403
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 4: is probably more drawn to the mackenzie stuff, you know,

1404
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 4: really way out on the limb of the fringes of

1405
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 4: the like two most common guys. Those guys, those three

1406
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 4: guys are awesome. But I was gifted that Simpson book this.

1407
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 2: Last I gotta read that.

1408
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, those drop like I've never s like

1409
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 4: they're in. They're enchanting. I feel like a little kid,

1410
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 4: like you're like, I'm just looking at.

1411
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 3: The pictures just like, oh my gosh, look at this

1412
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 3: thing looks pretty amazing. I just need to see more stuff.

1413
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 2: I think, uh overrated, underrated playing with five clubs or less.

1414
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 4: Oh man, totally underrated because I don't play. I only

1415
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 4: play with nine clubs regularly. Really, yeah, the nine driver

1416
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 4: utility would I'd have to I don't even know how

1417
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 4: account putter one wedge and then.

1418
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 2: You only use one wedge.

1419
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm not good enough to hit like.

1420
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 4: It's just better if I just leave mynd by that

1421
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 4: lofted high lofted wedge in my shop. So then I

1422
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 4: don't even try to hit it. Just hit my punch

1423
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 4: and run shot or buttter and I'm good.

1424
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 3: That's mentally, and that's that's that's not that's.

1425
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 4: Probably because I'm just not good enough to hit it

1426
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 4: in So I like guys that are I've I have

1427
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 4: played golf with Bill Coohr and Dan Proctor and they

1428
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 4: each took like three clubs when I was like twenty

1429
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 4: years old, when we were playing Austin Golf Club and

1430
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 4: it wasn't even open and they just kicked my ass

1431
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 4: and I had.

1432
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 3: A full set club. So I was like, man, I

1433
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 3: gotta get a lot better at golf than this, That's

1434
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 3: what I tell So I think people hit you gotta

1435
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 3: hit shots in that way. I love to watch. I

1436
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 3: love watching people be creative and hit shots, which is

1437
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 3: why I like being at Santos.

1438
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 4: I love watching guys hit fun, cool shots. And I

1439
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 4: think the less clubs you have, the more inclined yard

1440
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 4: are like, well if.

1441
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 3: I just pinch this down and see what happens.

1442
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: So do you have like a spot where you watch

1443
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 2: golf from all the time nobody knows that you're watching.

1444
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I have several spots that I enjoy. We

1445
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 3: this is no secret.

1446
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 4: We sit at the porch a lot and take bets

1447
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 4: on how bad people will make, how bad your miss

1448
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 4: putts on nine all the time. Nine is like the

1449
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 4: most difficult green to read on the golf course.

1450
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 2: It's something so hard they can't.

1451
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,919
Speaker 3: I kit that is a hard golf hole. I love.

1452
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 4: I love that golf hole. But man, that whole kicks

1453
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 4: my ass all the time. So we will just be like,

1454
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 4: we'll sit there for you had a lot of fun

1455
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 4: when you're busy and just like, oh god, this guy's

1456
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 4: not he thinks he's getting it up and down.

1457
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 3: That ain't happening.

1458
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: So's and then uh, it helps you we have a

1459
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: beer or something on hand, so yeah, or a great

1460
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 2: goose or whatever float you both, is it. They don't

1461
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 2: have any events here really, No.

1462
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 4: We we have one tournament our remember remember, which is

1463
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 4: our big deal and it's a Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

1464
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 3: And it's only been six.

1465
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 4: Five six years that we've done it and it's been really

1466
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 4: good for Like, it was always interesting because I know

1467
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 4: ninety six per seven percent of the members on a

1468
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 4: first name basis, and like the staff knew everything, Like

1469
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 4: I'm the least ten yared of.

1470
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 3: All the managers. I've been here eleven years, you know,

1471
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 3: quite a bit.

1472
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 4: And it was always interesting like how they didn't you know,

1473
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 4: like members wouldn't necessarily interact with each other because they

1474
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 4: just didn't know. You know, you can come out, you

1475
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 4: can bring seven seven people with you, and the like,

1476
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 4: what are the chances that you know who the member is?

1477
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 3: You know, there'd be a few, but not a lot

1478
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 3: because these people are spread out all over the country

1479
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 3: and the world, And what the member member did is

1480
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 3: really build a lot stronger bond. People knew who they were,

1481
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 3: and it's been really fun to watch these guys. You know,

1482
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 3: build friendships that you could kind of see, like you're like, oh,

1483
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 3: I could tell that guy and that guy'd be friends

1484
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 3: and whether they're you know, Minneapolis or New York or Austin,

1485
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 3: Texas or whatever. So that's our only we've never We

1486
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 3: had a high school like a junior thing a couple

1487
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 3: of years ago that I thought was pretty cool. That

1488
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 3: was Dick's big thing. He wanted to We don't have

1489
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 3: any ambitions of having like a tour event or anything

1490
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 3: like that.

1491
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 4: So it was fun to go watch a bunch of

1492
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,919
Speaker 4: junior players going half fun and watch them go Holy

1493
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 4: Callalyst is pretty cool that they get to come out

1494
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 4: here and we're fortunate to have them out, so that

1495
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 4: was cool. Do we do some more of that?

1496
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 3: Probably? I don't know.

1497
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 2: M that's a yeah.

1498
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,959
Speaker 4: It's it'd be fun to host like a Walker Cup,

1499
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 4: I would. I mean, I love the Walker Cup. I

1500
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 4: think I've been fortunate to was at you know, the

1501
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 4: Walker Cup at National and at Chicago Golf, and I.

1502
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 3: Think that's just such a cool, cool event.

1503
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 4: Like they get it like every you're walking with everybody.

1504
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 3: That's that's pretty cool.

1505
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 2: That would be pretty awesome.

1506
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 3: That'd be fun. I don't know if we can do

1507
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 3: it logistic.

1508
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 4: Not that anybody is approaches or anything, but I mean it,

1509
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 4: I don't know if we can do it logistically, but

1510
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 4: it'd be fun.

1511
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you could house the players and officials and

1512
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 2: then let everybody else fend for themselves.

1513
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 4: I don't I don't make those kinds of decisions. It'd

1514
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 4: be fun for me.

1515
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 2: I make them in my mind all the time. So right,

1516
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 2: we've made You got my vote? I like it, and

1517
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 2: I have I've got zero votes. So well, uh, let's

1518
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 2: say last last one? Overrated underrated corn Husker football.

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01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 3: Oh man, it's so overrated.

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01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 4: I'm a Michigan State Spartan, so the I will say

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01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 4: that because I'm very, very fortunate to call them all

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01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 4: in my home, and these people have been wonderful to

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01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 4: me and my family. They know they've taken us in

1524
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 4: as part of their family since my wife, Ashley, and

1525
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 4: I moved there it'll be eleven years in January, and

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01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 4: they tolerate our spartan fandom, you know, like when we

1527
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 4: went to the Rose Ball.

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01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 3: I mean I I cried.

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01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 4: I cried, and I had so many phone calls from

1530
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 4: friends and people that were just excited that they were

1531
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,560
Speaker 4: excited to watch. You know, that's how that's that's Nebraska,

1532
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 4: and I feel very very fortunate to call.

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01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 3: Us place home. So I that's just me get them ship.

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01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 4: I hope they get there. They hope they get it

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01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 4: figured out. They're passionate. It's a great place to watch

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01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 4: a football game. You can go as an opposing fan

1537
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 4: and you're not going to get in a fight or

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01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 4: anything like that. And if you haven't been, you should go.

1539
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 4: I'm a huge college football fan. Cool place to watch

1540
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 4: a game, and they're they're good people. But I think

1541
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 4: they lack some offensive line play right now, and their

1542
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 4: defense a little slow, and it's I think it's gonna

1543
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 4: be a.

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01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 2: Long I hate to hear what you have to say

1545
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 2: about my line. I then, because I.

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01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 4: Didn't watch the game to watch, we had a Mullen

1547
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 4: Bronco football game, so I had to be there for that.

1548
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 3: So but I'm not I think Illinois, you guys will

1549
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 3: figure it out.

1550
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 2: We got it's a it's a process. We got to

1551
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 2: dig out.

1552
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,759
Speaker 3: You guys always like come up with like a really

1553
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:11,560
Speaker 3: good team.

1554
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 4: Like every team.

1555
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 3: With Mendenhall that was they were good and then you

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01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 3: see gone terrible again.

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01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 2: For we should never have fire grounds back. And I

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01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 2: can't believe that's like, what ive?

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01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 3: What about? How is your basketball gun?

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01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 2: No, we're not ain't good and we're good at golf.

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01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 3: That I like that.

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01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I like that. But thanks for coming on, man.

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01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. And it was it was fun.

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01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 3: I was a little nervous that. I hope I don't

1565
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 3: sound like too much of an idiot.

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01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 2: No, it sounds sorry. I'm the one that say idiot.

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01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 3: It was an honor idiot. Yeah, you guys can go

1568
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 3: out and play more golf. Yeah, I won't hold you.

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01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: Well, we'll do it again. We'll get ye talk architecture more.

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01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 3: Please. I appreciate that, all right. Thanks Thanks

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01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 2: Naming Astern to many a stage