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Speaker 2: In this Tuesday check in with the Dodgers, what's next
Speaker 2: in the sho Heyo Tani story. Also, we have a
Speaker 2: new kickoff rule and the NFL just adopted it. We'll
Speaker 2: talk to Albert Breer. He's at the owner's meetings in Orlando.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to him about that and the growing not concern,
Speaker 2: but kind of growing consensus that the first four picks
Speaker 2: in the draft are going to be quarterbacks and that
Speaker 2: means JJ McCarthy is moving on up inside the top five.
Speaker 2: I was just Mike Tannenbaum, former Jets GM, he works
Speaker 2: for the Mothership. He was talking about that JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2: He could see him going number two overall, talk about
Speaker 2: a meteoric rise, and we didn't see it because if
Speaker 2: you watch Michigan football, it's not like his arm was
Speaker 2: on display constantly. But it feels like everybody's fallen in
Speaker 2: love with the intangibles with JJ McCarthy. So, Mike Tannenbaum,
Speaker 2: he also had the Cardinals trading the fourth pick, or
Speaker 2: they were going to trade Kyler Murray to Minnesota and
Speaker 2: then they were gonna take I guess JJ McCarthy. So
Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna with the fourth pick, they take
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy and then they trade Kyler Murray to Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Like all right, that's fun. Sure gonna get some attention
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Speaker 2: those watching on Peacock and those listening nearly over four
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Speaker 2: the Jets owner Woody Johnson feels sorry for Zach Wilson
Speaker 2: and had this to say.
Speaker 3: I feel badly about Zach in some ways because you know,
Speaker 3: last year would have been a great He would have
Speaker 3: been a first time he could just sit back and
Speaker 3: watch a master at work, right, and he's never had that.
Speaker 3: He's been on the fire from day one. And I
Speaker 3: think that's what he needs. He needs to be in
Speaker 3: a place where he can observe for a while, and
Speaker 3: he's got the skill. He can do everything. There's a
Speaker 3: reason we drafted about number two.
Speaker 2: All right, but you're not going to keep him so
Speaker 2: he can learn behind the master. This year, you've given
Speaker 2: him the permission to go seek a trade. Why not
Speaker 2: hold on to him. I mean, he's on a rookie deal.
Speaker 2: Let him learn from the master here instead of letting
Speaker 2: him go.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: So, Mike Tomlin talked about Russell Wilson, his new starting quarterback.
Speaker 5: We're not resistant the competition, but as I've mentioned several
Speaker 5: times of late, I just think it's appropriate to establish
Speaker 5: positioning as we get into this thing. And the term
Speaker 5: that I've used is Russell has pole position. And why
Speaker 5: do I use that term because during this time where
Speaker 5: we are not formally working, man, I just think it's
Speaker 5: beneficial experience in the National Football League, And so that's
Speaker 5: why I say he has pole position.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: It just creates a synergy that I think is good
Speaker 5: for this time of year. What is time to compete.
Speaker 5: We get in training camp like settings and going to
Speaker 5: presease the stadiums and so forth. Obviously Justin will be
Speaker 5: given an opportunity to show his capabilities.
Speaker 2: He always sounds serious no matter what he's doing. I
Speaker 2: can't imagine him ordering dinner. He probably sounds just like that. Alight,
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Speaker 2: time talking about show. Hey o Tani La Times sportswriter
Speaker 2: covering the Dodgers. Mike d Giovanna joining us on the program,
Speaker 2: was at the press conference yesterday. How would you summarize
Speaker 2: what you saw what you heard yesterday? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: Really interesting, and honestly, I was surprised that shohe said
Speaker 6: as much as he did. You know, so often in
Speaker 6: these situations we get the, oh, there's an ongoing investigation
Speaker 6: I can't comment on and we're going to let the
Speaker 6: authorities handle it and then we'll talk afterwards. And he
Speaker 6: came right out on the offensive. You know, he was
Speaker 6: very assertive, very forceful in his denial of any speculation
Speaker 6: that he has bet on sports, that he's been on baseball,
Speaker 6: and he really turned the tables on his now former
Speaker 6: interpreter and former confidant and friend basically accused Epai of
Speaker 6: being a liar and a thief. So was it was
Speaker 6: very interesting. The tone of the room was very interesting,
Speaker 6: a little different than a lot of the show Hey
Speaker 6: with Tani press conferences were used to but he went
Speaker 6: on the attack and it was very clear.
Speaker 2: What wasn't answered yesterday.
Speaker 6: To me, the two biggest questions, although biggest one is
Speaker 6: on obvious. It's like, how if indeed he payments to
Speaker 6: how siphoned off millions of dollars you know from show
Speaker 6: Hay's accounts, How did this happen without you know, his
Speaker 6: the people who handle his finances and show Hey himself
Speaker 6: without knowing that. And to me, the other issue is,
Speaker 6: you know how show Hay was so much more than
Speaker 6: an interpreter. I'm sorry, eBay was so much more than
Speaker 6: an interpreter for show Hey. He was around him almost
Speaker 6: every day of the year, all day, you know. And uh,
Speaker 6: how does a guy supposedly have such a gambling problem
Speaker 6: that he's racked up millions of debt in debt without
Speaker 6: anybody knowing? And you know, even if show Hey emerges
Speaker 6: from this scandal unscathed, his reputation and the game intact.
Speaker 6: I think, you know, he's gonna have to take a
Speaker 6: closer look at the people in his inner circle, the
Speaker 6: people handling his affairs, because they put a lot of
Speaker 6: trust in Epay to do a lot. He was a
Speaker 6: liaison between you know, the Dodgers, the Angels, all those
Speaker 6: yaters and Show Hey, between his agents at CIA and
Speaker 6: Show Hey, between the media and Show Hey. And ton't
Speaker 6: trust that much in one guy, and to have him
Speaker 6: betray you like he supposedly did, it's pretty disturbing.
Speaker 2: If you could ask one question, if it's to show
Speaker 2: Hey or Epey.
Speaker 6: Oh boy, well, all the questions I just mentioned, you
Speaker 6: know to Epay, Uh, you know, how why did you
Speaker 6: do this? You know, why did you think you're going
Speaker 6: to get away with this? And you know what was
Speaker 6: he thinking? You know, I mean, this guy was attached.
Speaker 6: I mean, I hate to use a term, but you know,
Speaker 6: kind of a bit of a gravy train, you know,
Speaker 6: for the for the next ten years. This guy's I'm
Speaker 6: sure Show Hey made a lot more on tips and
Speaker 6: just you know, just from being around Show Hey, Epay.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry keep mixing these two up. Then he didn't say,
Speaker 6: and you know he's got, you know, a front row
Speaker 6: seat to one of the most amazing stories in the game,
Speaker 6: and to think you would just throw that all the
Speaker 6: way is stunning. And to show, Hey, you know, how
Speaker 6: how did this happen? You know, under your watch? How
Speaker 6: did this happen right under your nose? And you know
Speaker 6: you could tell in the press conference he felt very betrayed,
Speaker 6: and you know, there was a there was a tone
Speaker 6: in his voice. I'm not going to sit here and
Speaker 6: pretend I know Show Hey that well, but I've been
Speaker 6: in dozens of interviews with this guy over the last
Speaker 6: six and a half years, and I felt like, you know,
Speaker 6: he's usually very composed, very measured in his comments, and
Speaker 6: I felt a forcefulness and an assertiveness yesterday in his
Speaker 6: voice that was maybe like one octum below anger that
Speaker 6: we don't normally hear from Show Hey. And I think
Speaker 6: that's why he sound sounded, at least to his teammates
Speaker 6: and Dodgers, and I think if he saw the press conference,
Speaker 6: he sounded pretty convincing.
Speaker 2: I was curious about this. I don't know if anybody
Speaker 2: brought this up to show Hey, but here's the interpreter
Speaker 2: who has lied about working for the Red Sox and
Speaker 2: the Yankees, Like Shohy has to know that this guy
Speaker 2: has said that he worked for the Yankees in the
Speaker 2: Red Sox, but he knows that he didn't work for
Speaker 2: the Yankees and the Red Sox. Like there's certain things
Speaker 2: that you would I would think would be normal, like wait,
Speaker 2: you didn't work for the Yankees or why are you
Speaker 2: saying that? And then you're going to trust him being
Speaker 2: basically your valet. I mean, I don't know, it just
Speaker 2: kind of stood out. It was just weird.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it goes to the vetting process, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean, the Dodgers don't have a great track record,
Speaker 6: let's face it. You know with Trevor Bauer over the
Speaker 6: last few years. And I'm not saying you know they
Speaker 6: I mean they did background checks on epay, they talked
Speaker 6: to him after the signing, and they met with him
Speaker 6: and you know, from what I've heard, the agent really
Speaker 6: vouched for Epey. And but yeah, there's a there's a
Speaker 6: there's a vetting process that obviously didn't take place here.
Speaker 6: I mean some of these things are in the really
Speaker 6: short bio that's been in the Angels media guy for
Speaker 6: several years, and it's you know, it's hard to pin
Speaker 6: the blame on, you know, the Angels PR Department for
Speaker 6: not you know, doing background checks on but yeah, it's
Speaker 6: very odd. You know, why would you lie about going
Speaker 6: to UC Riverside. I went to Harvard, I went to
Speaker 6: the graduated magnicrom Cloudy, you know.
Speaker 2: But it is a smaller lie though, Mike, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: And the whole, the whole. The bigger issue is like
Speaker 6: when you're lining up stories when Epe you know, changed
Speaker 6: his original story that he told the ESPN one hundred
Speaker 6: and eighty degrees to the next day, and then you
Speaker 6: layer on top of that these little FIBs. His credibility
Speaker 6: is shot, you know, I don't know, it's hard to
Speaker 6: know what to believe out of this guy.
Speaker 2: What's next for the LA Times on this story.
Speaker 6: We can't tell you, Okay, you know, we're we're digging
Speaker 6: as hard as we can. We're trying to fill in
Speaker 6: some of the gaps on Epay's resume, uh, you know,
Speaker 6: trying to you know, keep have a bead on the
Speaker 6: There's three different investigations now, and the.
Speaker 2: MLB is still in the States.
Speaker 6: I don't know for sure, we you know, we have
Speaker 6: had reporters at his parents' house. We're told, in no
Speaker 6: uncertain terms to go away. Uh. I've asked many of
Speaker 6: the Japanese reporters and they have not. He has not
Speaker 6: been seen in the States. He's going to have to
Speaker 6: emerge at some point because there's some federal investigators that
Speaker 6: have probably have a lot of questions for him. And
Speaker 6: you know, he's in a bit, He's in a heap
Speaker 6: of trouble. Let's let's face it. If these allegations against
Speaker 6: him are true, you know, he could be looking at
Speaker 6: jail time. Maybe not. You know a lot of a
Speaker 6: lot of these situations, they're they're going after the bookies,
Speaker 6: not so much the betters, but the other aspect.
Speaker 2: But he's got to pay Otani back.
Speaker 6: Doesn't stealing money from Otani?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Restitution?
Speaker 6: Yeah, If that allegation is true, that's a problem for him.
Speaker 2: Mike, good to talk to you. Great stuff by the
Speaker 2: LA Times. Thanks for joining us, Thanks for having me
Speaker 2: all right, Mike d. Gi Ivanna, LA Times sportswriter covering
Speaker 2: the Dodgers in Major League Baseball. And there's still questions
Speaker 2: there is he going to pay back Otani? He can't
Speaker 2: pay back four and a half million dollars. And you
Speaker 2: know what, when we had David Perdamon, who covers gambling
Speaker 2: for ESPN, and he says that to lose that amount
Speaker 2: of money four and a half million dollars, the interpreter
Speaker 2: had to have bet close to eighty million dollars. So
Speaker 2: he's betting all the time because you're going to win
Speaker 2: some of those bets. He's saying, I don't think that
Speaker 2: this guy was just bet like four bets and he lost,
Speaker 2: you know, four and a half million dollars. He was
Speaker 2: betting on all these other sporting events. He was betting
Speaker 2: a lot. That's what makes it even more improbable that
Speaker 2: shohe had no idea. You sit down and watch a
Speaker 2: sporting event with this guy, does he act differently? I mean,
Speaker 2: how much money? How much money was he betting on
Speaker 2: these individual games? That's I mean, I'm curious about a
Speaker 2: lot of these things.
Speaker 6: Here.
Speaker 2: Let me see Chris in La Hi, Chris, what's on
Speaker 2: your mind today?
Speaker 4: THO Mornings, Dan, I wanted to give you a former
Speaker 4: defense attorney's perspective. And the reporter that was on is
Speaker 4: really good reporters said what I was some of what
Speaker 4: I was going to say in that I was shocked
Speaker 4: by Otani's detail in a lot of the areas because
Speaker 4: we did not get the general gets an ongoing investigator
Speaker 4: type situation, And that's important because all of these statements
Speaker 4: that he said couldn't be used against them if there
Speaker 4: ever is a criminal action brought. So that was very
Speaker 4: telling to me, which makes me think they must have
Speaker 4: some other evidence, like text messages or emails showing that
Speaker 4: he did not know what was going on. And the
Speaker 4: local attorney that represents the bookmaker said Otani did not
Speaker 4: know anything about the betting, so that's interesting. And one
Speaker 4: last point I want to make about the vetting process.
Speaker 4: I think it's more of a situation like Kobe having
Speaker 4: his own trainer. The I think the Dodgers took the
Speaker 4: fact that Otani liked the interpreter and he was with
Speaker 4: them for the Angels, and they probably did not do
Speaker 4: the same betting they would have done had he been
Speaker 4: applying for positions in front office or something like that.
Speaker 4: So I think that's a little different than the normal
Speaker 4: situation of the betting. So it's going to be very
Speaker 4: interesting to me. But the fact that he went to
Speaker 4: details and we didn't get the details about the financial
Speaker 4: aspect about how it happened, and that's probably just to
Speaker 4: protect himself. They may be even trying to find out
Speaker 4: who else was involved, how did he get access to
Speaker 4: the money. So I understand why he didn't go into
Speaker 4: detail in that, but the fact that he came out
Speaker 4: unequivocally and said I don't know this person, I never
Speaker 4: bet that's huge because all it takes is one little text,
Speaker 4: measures or something showing that show hey did know, and
Speaker 4: then all that's blown out of the water. So to me,
Speaker 4: that was the most telling thing. So we'll see how
Speaker 4: it unfolds.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris, thank you for the information. Jeff in
Speaker 2: Kansas City, Hi, Jeff, what's on your mind? ADB?
Speaker 7: I called him because the gambling thing isn't just sports betting.
Speaker 7: It's gone into other areas of our lives. I mean,
Speaker 7: if you follow what people are doing on Wall Street,
Speaker 7: just the average daily investor of buying these puts and
Speaker 7: calls and options, I mean, there are some young kids
Speaker 7: out there just blowing their money, and I think collectively
Speaker 7: it's probably got something to do with COVID and this
Speaker 7: collective PTSD we're suffering from where people are willing to
Speaker 7: take a lot more chances and be risky about things.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe I don't rule it out. It's just if
Speaker 2: you are a gambler and you get desperate or you
Speaker 2: know somebody. Once again, I only speak from experience, and
Speaker 2: I know that feeling and you think you're gonna win,
Speaker 2: and then you don't win, and now all of a
Speaker 2: sudden you don't have the money, and now you're gonna
Speaker 2: double your bet and you're gonna win on Monday Night football.
Speaker 2: I know that feeling. And everybody thinks that they know
Speaker 2: more than the other guy, You're never ever going to
Speaker 2: beat them. I always rented money, That's what I would say,
Speaker 2: I'm renting this. And then I just stopped cold turkey
Speaker 2: and I was up and I took the money and
Speaker 2: I paid off school loans and I bought my mam
Speaker 2: a dishwasher, and that was it done. Didn't think about
Speaker 2: gambling again. Even when we're in Vegas at the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl and we're at a bar and I can walk across,
Speaker 2: I can walk thirty feet in place a bet, and
Speaker 2: I had no interest. We're watching all these games, you know,
Speaker 2: and PAULI goes, you're gonna go bet on Iowa basketball
Speaker 2: I go, no that. Oh, I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: start gambling again. I'm going to bet on Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 2: I go, no, not gonna happen. Yeah, Paulie, little symbolism there.
Speaker 8: You bought a dishwasher. You're cleansing your soul, You're cleaning
Speaker 8: up your act. There's a lot of watch your money,
Speaker 8: washing your money, mother mother issues, mother issues.
Speaker 9: I just going to you a little bit there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might be correct on all of those things.
Speaker 8: The dishwasher would represent something that's a good feeling. You
Speaker 8: had a bad feeling from gambling. You wanted to take
Speaker 8: that winning and do something good with it before you
Speaker 8: ended it.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I didn't want to wash dishes anymore. And
Speaker 2: your laziness, that's what it was.
Speaker 3: Fair.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I guess if you know, therapists could probably
Speaker 2: have a field day with some of these things. AnyWho,
Speaker 2: Albert Murria join us from the NFL owners meetings.
Speaker 8: How they have problems?
Speaker 2: They that's the league.
Speaker 6: This got a problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I brought up. Imagine the three commissioners.
Speaker 2: Adam Silver's dealing with a prop bet gambling problem with
Speaker 2: one of his players. Rob Manfred's got the face of
Speaker 2: his sport involved in something and the commissioner is trying
Speaker 2: to get rid of the hip drop tackle in the NFL.
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Speaker 2: Just wondering about this with sho hey Otani and his interpreter,
Speaker 2: At what point do you think he's desperate enough that
Speaker 2: he bet on baseball, Because if you're losing four and
Speaker 2: a half million dollars. I think that you would probably go, Okay,
Speaker 2: how can I make this money up? I don't have
Speaker 2: any scruples. I mean, I got it. I mean Pete
Speaker 2: Rose was betting on baseball and games that he was managing,
Speaker 2: because then he had a better chance of affecting the
Speaker 2: outcome or knowing the outcome. What would have stopped this
Speaker 2: guy from asking Otani when he's with the Angels, hey, uh,
Speaker 2: or he's going to listen to everything. He's going to
Speaker 2: find out everything. He's there in the locker room. You're
Speaker 2: going to find out if somebody isn't healthy, or a
Speaker 2: pitcher isn't, you know, feeling well. But he's going to
Speaker 2: go out in the mound. And if Otani doesn't even
Speaker 2: know that he's gambling with his money, how's he going
Speaker 2: to know that you're taking that inside information? Desperate people
Speaker 2: desperate things. Well, so there's a lot more attached to this, obviously.
Speaker 2: Albert Breer Monday Morning, Quarterback Man, doesn't seem that long
Speaker 2: ago that we had a chance to talk. So help
Speaker 2: me understand the new kickoff rule? And uh did it
Speaker 2: passed with flying colors?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 12: So twenty nine yes is three nose the nose were
Speaker 12: God San Francisco, Green Bay in Vegas were the three Nose.
Speaker 12: And you know, I think this is sort of the
Speaker 12: outgrowth of a couple of things Dan. The first is,
Speaker 12: you know, obviously the touchback rule last year for the
Speaker 12: most part, eliminated the kickoff and it flipped where it
Speaker 12: had in the past been eighty percent return twenty percent touchback,
Speaker 12: it had gone to eighty percent eighty percent touchback last year,
Speaker 12: and so they wanted to find a way the special
Speaker 12: teams coaches did to help put it back in the game.
Speaker 12: So over the last two years they've worked on it
Speaker 12: and crafted the idea of creating something that would put
Speaker 12: more returns in the game and maybe bringing to life
Speaker 12: the next Devin Hester, the next Dante Hall.
Speaker 9: And so it's the modification of the XFL role.
Speaker 12: The idea overarching is to take speed and space out
Speaker 12: of the play to slow down the collisions. And they
Speaker 12: think this addresses the injury issue that the touchback will
Speaker 12: address last year and will add returns back into football.
Speaker 12: I mean, the ideas and their belief is this is
Speaker 12: going to add about five hundred plays, five hundred competitive
Speaker 12: plays to the game next year, which I think is
Speaker 12: a win for everybody, even if it is going to
Speaker 12: look a little weird and different.
Speaker 2: Okay, are there still going to be touchbacks?
Speaker 9: So it's interesting the way the rule sets up.
Speaker 12: So if you have what's called the landing zone from
Speaker 12: the goal line to the twenty, if you kick it
Speaker 12: into the landing zone and it bounces and it's not
Speaker 12: field and go into the end zone, is a touchback
Speaker 12: that goes to the twenty.
Speaker 9: If the kicker kicks it.
Speaker 12: Into the end zone, the ball comes all the way
Speaker 12: out to the thirty five. Okay, if you land short
Speaker 12: of the landing zone, then and it bounces before it hit,
Speaker 12: it touches, it bounces before it gets to the twenty,
Speaker 12: then the ball comes all the way out to the forties.
Speaker 12: So essentially you're penalizing the kicker for not putting it
Speaker 12: in that landing zone inside the twenty but short of
Speaker 12: the goal line, and you're penalizing the return team if
Speaker 12: the ball lands in the landing zone and then bounces
Speaker 12: into the end zone.
Speaker 9: I think I covered all. It's gonna take some good
Speaker 9: of use to for sure.
Speaker 2: This is like a Ted talks. You know, you need
Speaker 2: you need a power point, you need charge up there
Speaker 2: all right, the famous, the infamous hip drop tackle. How
Speaker 2: did we get to this point that we now have
Speaker 2: to get rid of it in the sport.
Speaker 12: It's it's an outgrowth, outgrowth of Seahawks tackling, which is
Speaker 12: it's called Seahawk tackling because Pete Carroll kind of gave
Speaker 12: rise to the idea of this like wrap and roll technique.
Speaker 12: And you know, really that's being employed at all levels
Speaker 12: of football now where.
Speaker 9: You see kids doing it.
Speaker 12: You see high schoolers doing it, you see college kids
Speaker 12: doing it, and obviously the pros. And it really has
Speaker 12: helped to take the head out of tackling, and it's
Speaker 12: helped with concussion.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 12: It's the downside of it is the hip drop, which
Speaker 12: is when you swing around and.
Speaker 9: I can give you a little bit of a visual.
Speaker 9: You swing around, right, Uh, you swing around and you
Speaker 9: wrap your.
Speaker 2: Somebody in the room just grab an owner.
Speaker 9: Sure, there are actually a couple of guys over here
Speaker 9: I would like.
Speaker 2: To tackle, but not Jay Glazier. Don't don't tackle Glazier.
Speaker 9: No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not challenging Glazier to
Speaker 9: one of those. But like so basically, like that what happens.
Speaker 12: What happens with seaw tackling is you wrap and you roll,
Speaker 12: and so if you if people listening can envision it,
Speaker 12: it's you're wrapping your arms around the guy and then
Speaker 12: you're using your weight to pull the guy down. And
Speaker 12: what's happened is it's some almost like a like a
Speaker 12: horse collar where a guy's feet get caught and pulled down.
Speaker 12: And so you know, it's unfortunate because again it's an
Speaker 12: unintended consequence of a change to football that really has
Speaker 12: made a positive difference. And I think my concern would be, okay,
Speaker 12: so they're gonna have to work around this. Defense player
Speaker 12: is gonna have to work around this. So there's probably
Speaker 12: gonna be another unintended consequence somewhere right, Like it's a
Speaker 12: violent game, so is the dog chasing its tail here.
Speaker 12: But I do understand why they did it, because it
Speaker 12: was the injury rate with the play was so much
Speaker 12: higher than other plays. And it's gonna take some adjusting
Speaker 12: for defensive players for sure. And it sounds like at
Speaker 12: first at least they're probably gonna have to officiate it
Speaker 12: through fines rather than flags, but they're gonna give guys
Speaker 12: some runway to get used to it. They're gonna dish
Speaker 12: out some vines. Then I think by the time we
Speaker 12: get to the middle of the year next year, they're
Speaker 12: probably flagging it more often if they still see it.
Speaker 2: Would Mike Jones have been flagged in the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: with the tack law Kevin Dyson.
Speaker 12: That's a good question. I have to go back and
Speaker 12: look at that one. The goal line play, right, Yeah,
Speaker 12: the Super Bowl two thousand, Yeah, Rams Titans. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 12: I have to go back and go back. To be
Speaker 12: honest with you, there are all these different elements to it,
Speaker 12: which I have no idea how the reps are going
Speaker 12: to officiate exactly and full speed because I can't even
Speaker 12: like go through my head and like think of all
Speaker 12: the steps here as I sit.
Speaker 9: So, yeah, I think there's definitely gonna be some complications.
Speaker 9: I would that that's an interesting one though. I'll definitely
Speaker 9: go back.
Speaker 2: Are you looking at the video?
Speaker 8: Yeah, it would be classic. He wraps Dicon around the
Speaker 8: waist Mike Jones and spins him and pulls him to
Speaker 8: the ground his body.
Speaker 9: So does he swivel around though that's like the.
Speaker 8: There's possible swiveling swivel because That's the thing is like
Speaker 8: if you swivel and then like it's like basically.
Speaker 12: Taking your feet off the ground, right, Like if you
Speaker 12: swivel and kind of like try to like get the
Speaker 12: guy to carry you, like, that's when it's a lead.
Speaker 12: So if that's what he did, then y s be
Speaker 12: illegal and to be first, Yep, it would, and then
Speaker 12: the current Warner story might be a little different and.
Speaker 9: Be a super Bowl champion.
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, I mean on time down to the one
Speaker 12: on time down with Eddie George in the backfield.
Speaker 2: Roughing the passer. Uh, when will we have replay? Like
Speaker 2: what brings about replay on roughing the passer?
Speaker 12: It has to be it has to be very clear,
Speaker 12: and it has to be cut in dry situations. And
Speaker 12: so I think what's going to govern this? And I've
Speaker 12: always been a proponent of like the idea of a
Speaker 12: sky judge, right, which I think that they should empower
Speaker 12: an official and put them upstairs and have him use
Speaker 12: the benefit of all of the crystal clear HD angles
Speaker 12: that we all have the benefit of home at home,
Speaker 12: benefit of at home. I think it's patently insane that
Speaker 12: all of us have that benefit. But the people who
Speaker 12: are in charge of the game on the field don't.
Speaker 12: So I think there's another step in that direction, and
Speaker 12: what will govern it Dan is that they won't allow
Speaker 12: you to change the call after I think it's the
Speaker 12: twenty second cut off on the play clock, right, so
Speaker 12: once the play clock gets to twenty seconds, then you
Speaker 12: can't change it. So it almost by definition has to
Speaker 12: be obvious, right you have to go in and see
Speaker 12: it like right away.
Speaker 9: Or it or or you won't be able to go
Speaker 9: in and change the call in the field.
Speaker 12: So I think I think it's an effective way of
Speaker 12: taking a play out, taking bad calls out that I
Speaker 12: think have frustrate every one of us, and hopefully, hopefully
Speaker 12: it's you know, another step towards a really efficient sky
Speaker 12: judge system, which they don't want to call it the
Speaker 12: sky judge, they want to call it replay assists. But
Speaker 12: you know, I think a step in the direction that
Speaker 12: a lot of coaches and people in.
Speaker 9: The league have wanted them to go in in along
Speaker 9: prolong time.
Speaker 2: He's the Monday morning quarterback Albert Brier joining us from
Speaker 2: the NFL owners meetings. You guys all get together, the
Speaker 2: owners are there, media is there, and everybody is chopping
Speaker 2: things up, talking about things, rumors, speculation, and we have
Speaker 2: spoken about this top of the draft. Why do you
Speaker 2: think there's a real good chance the first four picks
Speaker 2: will be quarterback?
Speaker 12: You either think there's a good chance the first three
Speaker 12: sit there and take quarterbacks. And then there's a handful
Speaker 12: of teams that I think are going to look at
Speaker 12: trading up, and the Cardinals I think will take a
Speaker 12: serious look at trading down. I am of the Bears
Speaker 12: are taking Caleb Williams. I think something would have to
Speaker 12: happen for them not to say Kalb at this point.
Speaker 12: At number two, I think the likelihood is still Jayden
Speaker 12: Daniels from LSU. Now I think at three there's a
Speaker 12: little bit more of a possibility than a two of
Speaker 12: a trade. I think New England's looking at this and saying,
Speaker 12: all right, like, if the right quarterback falls us, we
Speaker 12: take them. If the one one we like goes to
Speaker 12: and then we don't like the guy at three quite
Speaker 12: as much, would they look at trading down.
Speaker 9: I think they would consider that.
Speaker 12: I still think I think it's probably more likely they
Speaker 12: take quarterback, but I don't think the idea of trading
Speaker 12: down is out of the picture.
Speaker 9: For them at all.
Speaker 12: And if it goes one, two, three quarterbacks, like let's
Speaker 12: say it's sixty forty seventy thirty right now, that the
Speaker 12: three teams at the top stick and take quarterbacks, well
Speaker 12: then you've got teams that have investigated trading up and
Speaker 12: the Giants, the Raiders, the Vikings, and I think the
Speaker 12: Broncos are lurking as a dark horse, like four teams
Speaker 12: that could be in the market to move up, and
Speaker 12: the Cardinals sitting there at four with a real chance
Speaker 12: to turn that pick into a lot more picks. And
Speaker 12: so I think for the first time ever, we could
Speaker 12: wind up having four quarterbacks going one, two, three, four,
Speaker 12: which would also mean that JJ McCarthy has moved into
Speaker 12: that top tier quarterbacks where I think for the last
Speaker 12: couple of months.
Speaker 9: Kayleb Williams, straight Man Jade Daniels have.
Speaker 2: Been good to talk to you. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: I know you're busy, you got it, Thanks man, Albert Breer,
Speaker 2: the Monday Morning quarterback and some interesting things there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the possibility of four quarterbacks, bang bang bang bang. And
Speaker 2: I'm fine with the new kickoff rule. It gets better
Speaker 2: than a touchback, yep, Like you can't be like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's well, you know, what's silly that there are no kickoffs.
Speaker 2: Now what's next is how do you get the punt
Speaker 2: out of football? Because there's a lot of you know,
Speaker 2: guys are building up forty fifty yards of speed they're
Speaker 2: running down, and a lot of injuries on that play.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you could ever get rid of
Speaker 2: the punt. Luke and Charlotte, Hi, Luke, what's on your mind? Think?
Speaker 6: Guys?
Speaker 2: I was just sitting here wondering. I was wondering last
Speaker 2: year or around this time why C. J.
Speaker 4: Stroud was dropping.
Speaker 7: And this year I'm wondering what teams possibly see in
Speaker 7: JJ McCarthy that they.
Speaker 2: Don't see in let alone Penix.
Speaker 4: But I guess if they have injury concerns, what they
Speaker 4: don't see in bo Nix, who's more accurate, has more
Speaker 4: arm talent, and is more athletic.
Speaker 2: I just think it's kind of a new flavor here
Speaker 2: with JJ McCarthy, Like we love potential. Bo Knicks had
Speaker 2: felt like stayed too long in college football, even though
Speaker 2: he was wonderful last year. Pennix with the injuries, but
Speaker 2: it just feels like the unknown of JJ McCarthy. You know,
Speaker 2: a great quarterback, top five pick, perhaps playing in a
Speaker 2: run dominant offense, and he could be a first round,
Speaker 2: top five pick. I got it. I didn't see it.
Speaker 2: But then all I can go by is my source
Speaker 2: who was there at the combine and said, you know what,
Speaker 2: you can't help, but like what you see. But I
Speaker 2: said I didn't see enough, and he said that is
Speaker 2: the key. And sometimes people fall in love with what
Speaker 2: they didn't see instead of what they do see. And
Speaker 2: that might be the case, but they talk about now
Speaker 2: he's not an athletic quarterback. Jaden Daniels is an athletic quarterback.
Speaker 2: Bo Knicks is an athletic quarterback. Jaden Daniels in one
Speaker 2: season ran for more yards than J. J. McCarthy did
Speaker 2: in his career at Michigan. I believe, but it almost
Speaker 2: feels like like he's almost like a Russell Wilson type
Speaker 2: that you know he can extend plays, make a play,
Speaker 2: But I just don't know this athleticism. Bonix has athleticism.
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix is not a runner. Caleb is you know
Speaker 2: Mahomesyan where extending a play, running first down, those kind
Speaker 2: of things. Jaden Daniels is a flat out athlete there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Paul, you're not saying JJ McCarthy's sneaky athletic, are
Speaker 8: you You're about to go there?
Speaker 2: I would say he's probably. I don't think he's athletic,
Speaker 2: like Drake may is more athletic than he is.
Speaker 8: He's more of a rollout, keep the play alive quarterback
Speaker 8: than a running quarterback. Yeah, much more like Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 8: Tries not to run, but he keeps it alive behind
Speaker 8: the line of scrimmage. Aaron Rodgers Cobb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the most talented quarterback, Aaron Rodgers is the
Speaker 2: Kyrie Irving of quarterbacks there. Michael PENNOCKX.
Speaker 8: It seems like tries not to run, but when he
Speaker 8: does it's really good.
Speaker 2: I don't think he ran that much.
Speaker 8: A couple of fourth downs, Cole.
Speaker 2: Those pigs exact knee surgeries that'd make me not one
Speaker 2: to run. Or if I'm running, I got to make
Speaker 2: sure I'm faster than a few of the guys over there. Yes, Mark,
Speaker 2: do you remember.
Speaker 12: Seeing a quarterback jump like this and you didn't understand
Speaker 12: why everybody was falling over a quarterback that made a
Speaker 12: big jump.
Speaker 2: Well, you had that crazy draft when Christian Ponder went up.
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody was just drafted a quarterback. It's almost like,
Speaker 2: you know, you're it's a game of musical chairs, and
Speaker 2: everybody wants to have a seat, so they're like, uh,
Speaker 2: we'll take him, We'll take that guy. Well, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: you got a first round great. Don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: we need a quarterback. But I think teams are smarter
Speaker 2: now with getting the quarterback that works for them, instead
Speaker 2: of making the quarterback fit into your system. You're kind
Speaker 2: of adopting that quarterback system. You know, the Bears are
Speaker 2: going to adopt k Williams' system there. You've got to
Speaker 2: incorporate Jaden Daniels and his talents. It used to be
Speaker 2: we brought you in and then you had to play
Speaker 2: in accordance to what our offense was. That's not the
Speaker 2: case anymore. Yeah, Paul, I was.
Speaker 8: Thinking about this. I'm gonna say I have a question
Speaker 8: for you. It catch a little snarky, little dark.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll save it all right, Let's take a break,
Speaker 2: last call for phone calls. What we learn what's in
Speaker 2: store tomorrow after this.
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Speaker 2: Thirteen of the top sixteen seeds, including all four number ones,
Speaker 2: three number twos, and all four number threes, moved on
Speaker 2: to the sweet sixteen the Women's NCAA Tournament. Great programming
Speaker 2: last night you had yukon with Paige Becker's she put
Speaker 2: up thirty two, and then you had Caitlin Clark at Iowa,
Speaker 2: she put up thirty two. And then my favorite, not
Speaker 2: my face, but boy, she'd getting close. Is Juju Watkins
Speaker 2: at USC. She's a lot of fun, but man, is
Speaker 2: she going to be a handful the next couple of
Speaker 2: years in college basketball. I think the only thing that
Speaker 2: would stop her from approaching Page or Caitlin Clark's all
Speaker 2: time record is if she would somehow leave early and
Speaker 2: go to the WNBA. Can can you leave after? Can
Speaker 2: you leave even after your freshman year? Now, I don't
Speaker 2: know what the nil is and that might keep her
Speaker 2: at USC, but I'm wondering is there any restriction on
Speaker 2: going into the WNBA. Has somebody left after like their
Speaker 2: sophomore year and maybe I'm not aware of it, And
Speaker 2: this is part of the beauty of the women's tournament
Speaker 2: because the storylines stay and get bigger because the players
Speaker 2: will stay longer.
Speaker 8: Yes, Paul, As of right now, the WNBA eligibility rules,
Speaker 8: you have to be twenty two or you have to
Speaker 8: have you have to have used all your college eligibility
Speaker 8: in four years.
Speaker 2: Okay, so not even juniors. You can't go to your
Speaker 2: junior Yeah. Now we might be in four years from
Speaker 2: now or three years from now. Look at Juju watkins
Speaker 2: career at USC put it up there with the great
Speaker 2: Cheryl Miller. Now are they going to build a team
Speaker 2: around her? You know, will they be you know, competing
Speaker 2: for national championship? Well, here you are in the sweet sixteen.
Speaker 2: If you get a chance, watcher, because it's it's an
Speaker 2: athletic display. She's fun and uh man, she's going to
Speaker 2: be tough, tough for people to defend one on one,
Speaker 2: and that's what happens, you know, like it's a boxing
Speaker 2: one for you know, some of these players, certainly Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 2: And then that's when you rely on your teammates. If
Speaker 2: and I would do that with Iowa, I would say,
Speaker 2: all right, everybody else, you beat us, or you say
Speaker 2: to Caitlyn Clark. All right, you get your points, We're
Speaker 2: going to shut down everybody else. You almost have to
Speaker 2: decide between the two, and that's really hard because there's
Speaker 2: some shooters. The number of great shooters in women's basketball
Speaker 2: is it shouldn't be surprising, but it is. Like you'll
Speaker 2: see that they shoot deep and they shoot with form,
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, there's a seismic shift. And wait until
Speaker 2: the fallout from Caitlin Clark happens in like five years
Speaker 2: from now, seven years from now. Yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 8: By the way, though, the only downside last night, I
Speaker 8: wonder what the executives who ran the final four and
Speaker 8: we're thinking when Iowa was down in the second half
Speaker 8: and then maybe out of the tournament early, like they're
Speaker 8: banking on Clark being in the final four or you.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't think West Virginia would bounce them. No, but I
Speaker 2: mean I think it was.
Speaker 8: I think it was tied in the fourth quarter at
Speaker 8: one point two.
Speaker 2: Minutes left, two minutes. Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. Then
Speaker 2: the refs decided to give the game. Oh whatever, did
Speaker 2: you see that crazy stat about the Lakers with free
Speaker 2: throws like it is? Let me see if I have
Speaker 2: this right, This is crazy, all right. Since the beginning
Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty two to twenty three seas and
Speaker 2: the Lakers have shot over one thousand more free throws
Speaker 2: than their opponents. This season, They've taken four hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty more free throws than opposing teams.
Speaker 11: Stall the day STANDAA day STATAA day Stannata day.
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Speaker 2: of the Dan Patrick Show. Also the uh is it
Speaker 2: Dietia Fair at Syracuse? Is that how you pronounce her name?
Speaker 2: She was awesome last night. What a handle? So I
Speaker 2: think she's third on the all time scoring list. She
Speaker 2: had twenty last night, so she ended up just over
Speaker 2: thirty four hundred points and she's third all time leading scorer.
Speaker 2: But her handle awesome. Yeah, Okay, you had an NFL question, Pauline.
Speaker 8: I've been thinking about this. If you watch the Bears coverage,
Speaker 8: there's lots of stories that they've interviewed Kayleb Williams. They
Speaker 8: took him out to dinner, he's can't everything says they're
Speaker 8: going to take him. Albert Breer is all but reporting
Speaker 8: they're going to take him, but nobody's reporting that they're
Speaker 8: going to take him. The Bears haven't given that out yet.
Speaker 8: Do you think that the NFL off the record quietly
Speaker 8: would encourage the Bears to hold onto that nugget as
Speaker 8: long as they can, to save it as close as
Speaker 8: they can to the draft, to provide more draft coverage.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, okay, I think I think they've done that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, other people I brought that up before, Like, no,
Speaker 8: the NFL would not stick their head into that.
Speaker 2: It seems like a naive right, yeah. Yeah, Because you
Speaker 2: want to have the build up to the draft.
Speaker 8: You would think that the Bears would announce as fast
Speaker 8: as possible to declare it and say this is our guy.
Speaker 8: If you're not going to trade, and you're going to.
Speaker 2: But what benefit does that local perception that we have
Speaker 2: our guy?
Speaker 8: We have there's no questions about our guy, I think
Speaker 8: when you know, other teams have had the jersey made
Speaker 8: up a month before, two months before. Instead, we're taking
Speaker 8: him and it looks good at the locals. There's no question.
Speaker 8: Because the Bears can't say a week after the left, well,
Speaker 8: we had no questions it was gonna take calebe.
Speaker 2: Oh so you want the media to not second guess you,
Speaker 2: So then you're gonna because they would never do that
Speaker 2: in Chicago, even if you announced that you're taking him,
Speaker 2: you know what would happen. We are taking Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2: Oh why would you do that? Now nobody's going to
Speaker 2: trade up, but now they know what you're going to
Speaker 2: like the strategy here, right? You can't win this day
Speaker 2: in sports history just a couple.
Speaker 8: Nineteen eighty six, Dan Neil Broughton Minnesota north Stars, which
Speaker 8: are still the north Stars, became the first US born
Speaker 8: player to score one hundred.
Speaker 2: Points in a season.
Speaker 8: And this is a fun one. The National Labor Relations
Speaker 8: Board ruled that college football players at Northwestern could unionize.
Speaker 2: Nothing ever came Mmmm. Nineteen seventy nine, biggest college basketball
Speaker 2: game in history. Magic Johnson beats Larry Bird seventy five
Speaker 2: sixty four for the n CUAA champions.
Speaker 9: What did they hype that up? A little too much?
Speaker 2: Thank you, Todd? Whatever happened to those players? You were
Speaker 2: just kidding?
Speaker 9: There was just being facetious. Are Magic Bird? That's pretty big?
Speaker 2: Crazy?
Speaker 9: Can't hype that enough?
Speaker 2: You're crazy, Todd? What'd you learn today?
Speaker 8: In his earlier days while calling the NCAA tournament, Iron
Speaker 8: Eagle foun himself monitoring scores of other games and how.
Speaker 9: Was negatively affecting his brackets.
Speaker 2: Seat O'Connor, what did you learn today, Iron Eagle, Ian
Speaker 2: Eigel Either way, it's good. Yeah, he's a lot of fun,
Speaker 2: very very good. Marvin, would you learn today?
Speaker 9: We all believe Otani except for Fritzi.
Speaker 2: What a liar?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Paul, what do you What did you learn today? Fritzy?
Speaker 8: I just found if there's NIT games tonight Georgia, Ohio
Speaker 8: State Cincinnati at your Indiana State squad.
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