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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecoff Little Go Low podcast. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little PGA toward golf. There were

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Speaker 1: some breaking news with the live, the investment and everything

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Speaker 1: I talked to my guy Jason from the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: this YouTube page. John Middlecoff, so just three and out

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Speaker 1: golf stuff. It's golo Pod at golopod, So definitely during

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Speaker 1: how opposite both are. Football feels as strong as it's

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Speaker 1: ever been. I Mean, we complain about it, but that's

427
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Speaker 1: human nature. We can plain about a lot of things.

428
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Speaker 1: But the ratings, the interest. Everywhere you go, people are

429
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Speaker 1: talking foot I mean I played golf today with a

430
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Speaker 1: seven year old business owner from Oklahoma and we talked

431
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: multiple holes about Baker Mayfield, about how he was getting screwed,

432
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: he got some raw deals with coaches. You know, he's

433
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Speaker 1: kind of a hot head. I mean, this guy had

434
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Speaker 1: a million opinions on him. Million just couldn't stop talking

435
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: about Baker Mayfield. And just you know, when Baker Mayfield's

436
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: on the bucks, like you're just gonna watch him plays

437
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: Haavy ten games and he's gonna play against whoever they're

438
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Speaker 1: playing that week. Derek Carr, Daniel Jones, you know, Matt Stafford, whoever.

439
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: They all just play each other, and it's that's how

440
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: it works. They're all in it together. Like ultimately, in football,

441
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers have been part of the highest

442
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Speaker 1: rate of games over the last ten years, them and

443
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, Tampa and a lot of these other teams

444
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: have not. Tampa's a bad example because they got Brady

445
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. But you know, choose the

446
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers or just but everyone makes the same amount

447
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: of money because they're partners, and the stronger you are

448
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: as a group, the more money you can make. It.

449
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: It's like that in life, you could only do so

450
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: much so far. Like if you're listening or watching this

451
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: podcast I just recorded, then we got you know, James

452
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: is working the video. We got Adam working the audio.

453
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: We got Christian helping out on both sides. We have

454
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: a team of like five six people on every show.

455
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: When I record with Colin, we got ten guys on

456
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: the zoom. Like you can't do you can't do nothing yourself.

457
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: You need help. And it feels like everyone's kind of

458
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: doing their own thing. All this mercenary stuff. Even Kevin Durant,

459
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: everyone talks about him being quote unquote this mercenary when

460
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Speaker 1: he went to Golden State. He's still stayed in the league.

461
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: He was still playing against Lebron, James and Giannis and

462
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: you could hate on him going to the Golden State

463
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Speaker 1: all you want. It's not like he like, yeah, guys,

464
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Speaker 1: I'm leaving to grease see you guys. I'm gonna play

465
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Speaker 1: in this Greek league or or Chinese league. They offered

466
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Speaker 1: me one hundred million dollars a year. See a peace out, right,

467
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Speaker 1: That would have been like what the fuck. No, he's like,

468
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: you went to a team. Everyone got pissed off because

469
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Speaker 1: he went to the team to beat him, but he

470
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Speaker 1: was still in the league. And that's every time this

471
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: guy goes to live you're like, see audio, it's never

472
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: gonna see you again. That just sucks. I don't really

473
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: don't know what else to say besides like, yeah, I

474
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: think there's there's just a lot of fluff with a

475
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Speaker 1: lot of these announcements. One thing I've learned now and

476
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Speaker 1: I got pretty fired up. You know, the announcement when

477
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Speaker 1: CNBC had on j Monaghan and Yasser from the Piff

478
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: and it was like, God, these guys are gonna do

479
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: a deal, these guys are gonna do business together. And

480
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, we're it's February first. Nothing.

481
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Speaker 1: It's like no, So you can't a lot of time

482
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Speaker 1: with pr and stuff. We all buy into it and

483
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: then it turns out none of it's true. Okay, football

484
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: season is not quite over yet, but we had this

485
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Speaker 1: little week off. I had to text my main man,

486
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Speaker 1: Jason Soble. You can find him Action Network, you can

487
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: find him on Serious. I was listening to him yesterday

488
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: driving around, talk about taking the Red Eye out to

489
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Speaker 1: where he's sitting right now, overlooking the Pacific Ocean. But

490
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: as anyone knows, it's from northern California. Monterey, ain't San Diego.

491
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: It ain't always hot and warm. It has got to

492
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: be chilly and windy out there right now.

493
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: I've got three layers on. I'm sitting in this tent

494
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: where yeah, the tent's actually blocking the greatest view in

495
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Speaker 2: like the entire world. I've got still water cove right

496
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: behind me, and yet I'm facing away from it because

497
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: we've got this tent here. It's cold. I mean yeah,

498
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: like I come from Florida, man, I I'm not suited

499
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Speaker 2: for this, and yet this might be the best day

500
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Speaker 2: we get all week. It's gonna be a little nasty

501
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: here at Beebble this week.

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Speaker 1: You know, your boy, I've changed up my gambling strategy.

503
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: For years, I got probably too aggressive on winners and

504
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: it's just you hit one and it keeps you going

505
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. In terms of that mentality,

506
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: it is stupid. I have been hammering top tens from

507
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: JT Posting to Tony Fenau to my guy Ludvig. That's

508
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Speaker 1: the way, especially early, once you kind of get a

509
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Speaker 1: feel on some guys. Now moving forward, you know, we

510
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: were gonna put this out on Wednesday, but I don't

511
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: even I don't even think it's very easy to gamble

512
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 1: this week, given the weather and given all the variables.

513
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: But the next couple of weeks, I mean waste Management

514
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: and riv which you know is fair to say Tiger

515
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 1: is going to be playing in that event I assume,

516
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, I mean are going to be well

517
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: gambled on my early take. Right now, Justin Thomas is winning,

518
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Speaker 1: and he's winning early. I kind of like him at

519
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Speaker 1: waste Management here in like five six days.

520
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: I have a one and done pool where we have

521
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: to put in the picks before the year started, and

522
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: we took Justin Thomas in Phoenix based on track record

523
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: and based on I just had a feeling that's where

524
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: the momentum was going, it's getting there. And for those

525
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: people that didn't look at JC, that only know I

526
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: had a bad season last year, it didn't make the playoffs,

527
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 2: they handed him a Ryder Cup spot. If you haven't

528
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: been paying attention to Justin Thomas four top fives in

529
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: his last four worldwide starts, I mean, the guy's playing

530
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: some really good golf right now. I know we always

531
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: hear from players, the top players in the world are

532
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: never like, I'm not even close right now, I'm not

533
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: gonna play well. They always go, yeah, I'm really close.

534
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: Either I'm there or I'm really close. Justin Thomas's press

535
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: conference today said I'm really close, and it's hard not

536
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Speaker 2: to believe them. I think it's coming really soon for him.

537
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Speaker 1: Hey, let's talk some big picture stuff. Torrey Pines is

538
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: an incredible tournament. We've had some really famous guys when

539
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: there obviously over the years. That was the first time

540
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: that it really felt like, yeah, this is you're feeling

541
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: this split and let's face it, at this point in time,

542
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: we're all numb to it. But it's just this, This

543
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: is not the NFL. You can't afford to keep losing

544
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: guys like John Rahm now Terrell Hatton joining his team. Obviously,

545
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: the merge you talk about it a lot on your

546
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: radio show, feels inevitable. But as of right now, nothing's

547
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: happened so like and clearly this year, it's not gonna

548
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: change anything in twenty twenty four. So these fields, I mean,

549
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: has golf ever been unhealthy as it is right now

550
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: for a sport that has as many stars as it has,

551
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: you know.

552
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Speaker 2: Ever is certainly a long time. So.

553
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Speaker 1: But in the in the internet Tiger Woods age.

554
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean it's it's not great. Look, Tiger

555
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: changed the game in many many ways. And I heard

556
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: this years ago and I've glombed onto it for a

557
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: long time. That golf is always a niche sport until

558
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: Tiger came along and it became a mainstream sport because

559
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: of Tiger Woods. Everyone wanted to watch Tiger. And so

560
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: even if it's becoming a bit of a niche sport

561
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: without Tiger playing on a somewhat regular basis anymore, this

562
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: is really divided everything. It's been hard to be a

563
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: golf fan. I have buddies all the time at my

564
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 2: club we're playing golf, and they'll go, wait, is this

565
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: guy what Leagueacy is HEPGA tours, he live. They don't

566
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: know who's playing where, and quite honestly, a lot of

567
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: their entertainment value has gone from it. A lot of

568
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: the players, and we talked about this on our show

569
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: the other day on pg Tour Radio, that a lot

570
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: of the players who inspire passion amongst the masses have

571
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: left for live. And you know whether that was the

572
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: early guys, the Phil Sergio, Bubba Bryson, Patrick Reid. I

573
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: know people listening right.

574
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: Now with Repka.

575
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd Kepka. I didn't like some of those guys.

576
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: That's fine, but you had an opinion on them. There

577
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: are too many players right now on the PGA Tour,

578
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: bad example. But Matthew Pavon wins at Tory Pines last week.

579
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Speaker 2: You go, hey, do you love that guy?

580
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: Not?

581
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: I don't really know. No, do you hate him? Now?

582
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: Of course I don't hate him. Well, what do you think?

583
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's got a beard, seems like he's

584
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: got a pretty good swing. That's about all you know

585
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: about the guy. He doesn't inspire passionate at least not yet.

586
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: And so I think it's tough for the PGA Tour

587
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 2: trying to find these personalities that are going to inspire

588
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: that passion, and you're right. I look Hatton joining the

589
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: other day. I think that's a big blow to the

590
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: PA and the dp World Tour. I saw people who

591
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: are pro PGA Tour anti live on Twitter trying to

592
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: rationalize it as if like, oh, well, he's he's never

593
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: even won a major, and yeah, he's he's just like

594
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: got a bad temper. He's one of the most fun

595
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: dudes to watch in all of golf, and for the

596
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: PGA Tour to lose him, it's another big blow. I

597
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: don't know where this goes from here. We're talking about

598
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: the SSG, the Strategic Sports Group, infusing the PGA Tour

599
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: with three hundred billion dollars. I don't even know what

600
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: you do with that money. I don't know where it goes.

601
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: I think it's probably a good thing. Anytime rich people

602
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: want to give you more money to invest in your products.

603
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a bad thing. But yeah, at

604
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: some point, either we've got to get all the games

605
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: best players together on a more regular basis again, or

606
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: the majors are just gonna be the four best tournaments

607
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: by far and the other ones are just gonna like something.

608
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Speaker 1: Isn't it fair to say that there's a chance that

609
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: obviously this year is no, it's not gonna happen. Well,

610
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: next year is no.

611
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: Lock.

612
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean, this could be a couple of years worth

613
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: of the separation and then there's already been a couple

614
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: of years. That's a long time to lose the momentum

615
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: that golf clearly got, you know, during shutdowns and the

616
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: amount of people playing golf, because when you play golf,

617
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: it's easier to watch it because you can contextualize whether

618
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: you shoot one hundred or eighty, it's just you gravitate. Well,

619
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Speaker 1: the reason a lot of people play football or watch football,

620
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: they probably played when they were young, or basketball or baseball, right,

621
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: golf for it when I was a kid, and not

622
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: as many people play it. Now. Way more people play,

623
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: you're more likely to chime in and this thing like

624
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: you're out there right now. Obviously the players feel numb

625
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: to it all, like no one's talking shit anymore when

626
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: a guy leaves, But they're not numb to the fact

627
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: that the overall business like this is not this is

628
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: not good. So is there any sign of like what's

629
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: gonna happen? Or everyone just in the dark beside the

630
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: heavy hitters.

631
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Speaker 2: I really don't think anyone has any great ideas as

632
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: to what's going to happen moving forward. Do you think

633
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: that the PGA Tour needs to think more outside the box.

634
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: We were talking the other day on our show about

635
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: making up players and why don't they do it more

636
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: off and I'm like, mike them all up. You know what,

637
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: ten years ago the players might have balked at that, saying,

638
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: we don't want to be biked up, We don't want

639
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: to have our private conversations public. I would now if

640
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: I'm Jay Monahan, if I'm a PGA Tour executive, I

641
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: go to the players and go, look, the goalposts have changed.

642
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've noticed over the last couple

643
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: of years, we've lost a lot of momentum, We've lost

644
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: a lot of fans. We have to do anything to

645
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: bring them back and make this as entertaining a product

646
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: as we can. And so that's something that I would

647
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: be like, absolutely, we need to do this, and we

648
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: need to do it for every golf tournament. Maybe the

649
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: last two groups of the day, three groups of the day.

650
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: These guys are all miked up we can hear their conversations.

651
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: What else should we do? I don't know. I would

652
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: love to see a world in whether it's twenty twenty five,

653
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, beyond that where Look. If the PGA

654
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: Tour and Live are going to coexist, let the PGA

655
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: Towour have January through August. Let Live have September through December.

656
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: If players from Live choose to play on the PGA Tour,

657
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: let him play on the PGA Tour and let him

658
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: go out there and play. If they only want to

659
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: play live, hey, I got the bag and I don't

660
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 2: want to play the first eight months of the year.

661
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: Fine the news play four in the last four months

662
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: of every year, and you don't have to. If players

663
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour want to play live events, let

664
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: him go do it. If they'd rather have an offseason

665
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: and take four months off, they can do that instead.

666
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: To me, that would be a perfect compromise. That's when

667
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: we talk about deal and making a deal. It's not

668
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: just financial. That to me would be a great deal

669
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: for both tours get out of the way of each other.

670
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: I forget the date. It might have been November or

671
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: early December. Whenever the Hero was and Tiger talked, and

672
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: if you remember, Tiger kind of acted like a tough

673
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: guy that day in terms of a negotiator. He said,

674
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: we're not lock to work with Live, We're not we

675
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: have options. He kind of talked like a Hedge fun

676
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: guy would talk like we don't know the price. And

677
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: then within a week or too, it started all these

678
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: rumors cause it's like they tried to act like I'm

679
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: the boss here and it's like you're not. You don't

680
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: have the money. And then immediately they steal rom because

681
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: they can offer a number. And it felt like after

682
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: that they went on CNBC that this was all over

683
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: stealing the guys, they were gonna work toward a finale.

684
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: I felt everything changed that day when Tiger kind of

685
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: acted like, I'm kind of the commissioner. Now I'm running

686
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: this and we don't have to go with these guys, like, no,

687
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: you do. They have more money than Steve Cohen and

688
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: all these other guys. They have an unlimited amount of money, Tiger.

689
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: They have you surrounded. You have no choice, And ultimately

690
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: that's why it feels like it's still gonna end up

691
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: it that way. But they lost John Ram and now

692
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: Durell hadn't, and they've been sniffing around Female and all

693
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: these other guys as well.

694
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: I think what's happened. And Rom had this famous quote

695
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: about a year ago where he said, I pledged my

696
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: fealty to the PGA Tour. Essentially he is loyal to

697
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: the tour that he was brought up on. And what

698
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 2: changed for me? It's two things. First of all, it's well,

699
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: I don't really like the PGA Tour that much anymore.

700
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: I don't know if I like Live Golf either. But

701
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm a golfer. I'm gonna make lots of money. I

702
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: might as well go make the most money that I

703
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: could possibly make, And if neither one of them is

704
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: that appealing, then I'll go for the one with a

705
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: bigger paycheck. And secondly, I believe that the PGA Tour

706
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: in starting to have negotiations with Live Golf, with the

707
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: with the pif they've essentially opened it up to guys

708
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 2: like Rom, guys like Hat and to say, well, if

709
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: my own tour is negotiating with them, why can't I

710
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 2: negotiate with them? Why can't I go play over there?

711
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that Rom essentially signed a

712
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: three year deal. We don't know the exact number, somewhere

713
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: in the what four or five hundred million dollar ch

714
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: At that point you kind of yeah, it's four hundred

715
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 2: and five. What's what's the difference another one hundred million

716
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 2: between friends and the PIF.

717
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: But he was would you say he was already really rich,

718
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: but this took him to in a different stratosphere. Whatever

719
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: they're paying, Yeah, of course, of course.

720
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's it for all those guys. I

721
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: don't blame them whatsoever. Look, you play golf for a living.

722
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: The whole reason we work for a living is to

723
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: go make more money. I don't have a problem with it.

724
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: That said, Rom signed a three year deal. There's no

725
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: saying that. Rob after three years can't say, Okay, now

726
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm done playing live, had a successful run there. Now

727
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 2: we go reclaim my PGA tour card. I don't even

728
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: know if they understand what that would mean yet. But

729
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: once your contract's done with the one league, why can't

730
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: you go join another one? Your free agent? And so

731
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: that might be literally a three year, five hundred million

732
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: dollar deal or whatever it might be for Rom, and

733
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden he's back on the PGA

734
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: Tour in a few years. What's a big deal?

735
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: You mentioned it earlier. I mean, obviously looking back, the

736
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: biggest mistake they made. And I guess at the time

737
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: they feel obligated. I mean Jay specifically, if they could

738
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: redo it all, they would not have banned them all

739
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: for life, right, because they would have would they have

740
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: guys playing last week? And it wasted some of these tournaments.

741
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: I know now lives playing some of the same weeks.

742
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, do you think he

743
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: regrets that move.

744
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if they regret that move. I mean,

745
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: the biggest regret here is that they never took them

746
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: seriously in the first place. The absolute arrogance of the

747
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: PGA Tour to say, no one can take down our product.

748
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 2: No one is going to eat into our market share,

749
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: no one's going to sign our players to other deals.

750
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: Our players are who they are, and you know, we

751
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: control them and we control the PGA Tour, and that's

752
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do. It's just, honestly, there's not another

753
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: word that I can come up for it but arrogance.

754
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: And they never thought that this could happen. They didn't

755
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: see a future where this was a possibility and that's

756
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: really really hurt them. And you know, quite honestly, I'm

757
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that there hasn't been more contrition on the

758
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: part of the PGA tour. Obviously just talking with those

759
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: who were on the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia's

760
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: and admission that hey, we didn't get this right the

761
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: first time and we got to fix things. But boy,

762
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 2: it's just they screwed up from the beginning and essentially

763
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: now they're trying to clean up the mess that they

764
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: made because of that.

765
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: What's crazy is like you watch, you know, Ludwig's stardom

766
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: to shoot like a rocket, or even this this weekend,

767
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: that nap kid from UCLA or you know, we'll get

768
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: into done lap. You know. The first thing you think

769
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: about is like, I'm sure Norman and fucking yass are

770
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: trying to get a hold of them.

771
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: No doubt, absolutely, and they should. They should be going

772
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: after Anthony Kim all these Anthony Kim rivers. I've been

773
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: saying for two years, John, if there's a white whale

774
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: for live, it's akay, you go get him.

775
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: What what player in the world do you want to watch?

776
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 2: What Tiger Woods, maybe, and Tiger's not going to live

777
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: what other player in the world plan through?

778
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: A lot of us that don't quite understand his situation

779
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: in terms of why he's been out of the game,

780
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: the insurance he quit, Was he injured? Did he just

781
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: you know, it's so long ago. I wasn't locked in

782
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: like I would be now situation like that. I obviously

783
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: remember watching him. I've watched the YouTube highlights some of

784
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup stuff. But why did he disappear and

785
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: why is it such like, well, he can't come back

786
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: because of the insurance money? What does that even mean?

787
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: There's an insurance policy. It's been reported as ten million dollars.

788
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: It might be less, it might be more. I mean,

789
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: we haven't heard from Anthony Kim himself. We haven't heard

790
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: from an insurance company that said, hey, here's here's what

791
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: he's gonna owe us if he goes and plays golf again.

792
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: But reported as ten million dollars. There's some other things though,

793
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of personal stuff. There

794
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: were injuries from AKA, there's some family things, and I

795
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: had always heard that it was more of a family reason.

796
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: His dad had pushed him into the game. And this

797
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: was sort of his resistance against his dad, pushing back

798
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 2: against him, saying, look, you want you want to push

799
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: me to be a professional golf. Well you know what,

800
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: now that I went, I'm not gonna do it anymore,

801
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: just to just to fight back against you. So I

802
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: always hear the insurance policy thing, and I'm not so

803
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: sure I think there is one. I'm not sure so sure.

804
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: That's the number one reason why he stopped playing though,

805
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: and didn't go back to the PJA Tour.

806
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: So if he does come back, which rumors have it,

807
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: is it fair to say like he's gonna go to

808
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: live not the PGA Tour, because how could he just

809
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: show back up on the PGA Tour right now?

810
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: He could. He's got past champion status. He will get

811
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: into essentially every non signature event that he wants to. Yeah,

812
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: he'll He'll get into plenty of events. He'll have opportunities.

813
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: So again, if I'm live, I throw the bag at him. Absolutely,

814
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: that's the guy. Like Terroll Hatton's a great player, Teral

815
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: Hatton's animated, He's entertaining. He's a guy that can get

816
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 2: people to watch. Nobody's getting you to watch like Anthony Kim,

817
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: and Anthony Kim's the one guy that for me. If

818
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, Hey, I'm gonna go play golf this Saturday

819
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 2: with some buddies. If Anthony Kim signs with Live tomorrow

820
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: and somehow gets the field, guess what my Saturday might

821
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: now be cleared. I might have to sit on the

822
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: couch on Saturday and watch him play golf. That's how

823
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: much I think people want to see him again. And

824
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: I think it would make a huge dent in just

825
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: them collecting more players of interest. And again, this is

826
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: about and we've talked about Live for so long, just

827
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: what the league is about, in the fight with the

828
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: PGA two or and all this. At some point Live

829
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: has to turn into a viable sports franchise and we're

830
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: sitting there talking about who's gonna win this week? Is

831
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: that the Clicks is that the Crushers is this dude,

832
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: And it has to become a product where like we

833
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: actually understand what's going on and we're watching the product

834
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 2: just not because it's like, Wow, this is weird new thing,

835
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: but oh, because we're interested in the golf, because we

836
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: have bets on the golf. They signed with us Integrity,

837
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago when it becomes a better

838
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: betting and people can make more of an investment in

839
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: what they're doing and then become more engaged in the product. Again,

840
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 2: this just to me, this is sports business one oh

841
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: one in twenty twenty four. You're running a league, you

842
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: make it as appealing as possible to betters and fantasy

843
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: players and get them involved, because that's who's going to

844
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: continue watching your product, the people that have a personal

845
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: investment in what's actually taking place.

846
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: I would say I'm on the high end of golf consumption.

847
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: You know, I watch most tournaments, I gamble on it,

848
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: and last year when they went to the elevated events

849
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: to try to battle live, they've given more money out.

850
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: I remember Paul McGinley went on a ramp maybe at

851
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: the Masters or the US Open. Basically, like obviously, the

852
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: difference of golf when it comes to money is when

853
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: the football happens. You know, Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jacks,

854
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: if they're health they're gonna play, and golf you have

855
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: no clue who's gonna make the weekend. Which most of

856
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: us that are I would say high end fans or

857
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: consumers talking about like that, aspect of it, and I

858
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: think it feels like a lot of the old school

859
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: players starting with Tiger Back, love that part of it too,

860
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: but now the money's so big they push back. It's like, well,

861
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: I can't afford to not have seven of the top

862
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: ten guys in the tournament at home, but I'm sorry.

863
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: Like this week and then in a couple of weeks

864
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: and a lot of these tournaments, now these seventy five

865
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: guy fields no cut. One, from a gambling perspective, it's

866
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: way harder to gamble, I feel, and two like it

867
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: doesn't do that much. Like listen, I the last week

868
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: the field at the end, random guys. It was still

869
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: exhilarating watching these guys come down the stretch. This doesn't

870
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: do much for me.

871
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: The no cut events have never done a whole lot

872
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 2: for me. Quite honestly. Shortened fields no cut, have you

873
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,959
Speaker 2: ever had someone come up to you and go, man,

874
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: this tournament's really fun. But I just wish there were

875
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: like fifty fewer players in it, Like, no, that's not

876
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: a thing. Let more players in have a cut. I

877
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: get it. PGA Jordan. I assume this is part of

878
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: their mentality. First of all, they want to keep the

879
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: players happy, and the best way to keep the best

880
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: players happy, I bet the money it is to keep

881
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: paying them and ensure that they're essentially I mean, it's

882
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: like an appearance fee. It's basically like there's no appearance

883
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: fees on the PGA Tour, but show up this week

884
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 2: and you will get paid. You will make a paycheck.

885
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: Because Live Live Live has that right with the no cuts.

886
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: If you're in the event, you're getting paid no matter what,

887
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: if you finish the DFL.

888
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: Yes. The other part of this is PGA Tour's own product,

889
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: PGA Tour Live, where they can put if Rory McElroy

890
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: is nine shots back going into Sunday's final round this week,

891
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: and they go early round coverage, catch it on PGA

892
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: Tour Live ESPN Plus at eight thirty eight am in

893
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: the morning. Like, Okay, they can show their guy, they

894
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: can show the big names. I just don't know that

895
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: golf fans necessarily want to watch even the biggest names

896
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: when they're way back in a non major championship event.

897
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: It just doesn't have that much of an appeal.

898
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 1: I would like you won't.

899
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: I won't I consume a ton of golf. I'm not

900
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: watching that first thing in the morning, just to like,

901
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: just because it's Rory, just because it's Scotty, just because

902
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 2: it's Jordan or JT. I'm not watching them if they're

903
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: nowhere near the lead and not in contention.

904
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's sad. I mean, golf is

905
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: clearly broken right now and there's not necessarily an end

906
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: in sight, even though it feels like the deal is,

907
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: I guess getting relatively closer. I mean one of the

908
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: cooler moments, though a couple of weeks ago, was and

909
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: obviously this guy's a high end player. I mean us

910
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: am champ Us Junior Amle the guy attacker Woods to

911
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: do it, but still to be in the final group

912
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: against Justin Thomas and Sam Burns and I don't care

913
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: how many shots you start to day would lead to

914
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: win that tournament is got to be one of the

915
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: most remarkable things I've ever seen. I mean, that was incredible.

916
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: I know it's an easier course or whatever, it's not

917
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: doing it a memorial or riv or something, but I

918
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: don't care. That was freaking awesome and.

919
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: We're not the only ones that think so. How about

920
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: the fact that during the Chiefs Bills one of the

921
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 2: best playoff games that we've seen all year, and the

922
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: NFL rules everything. The PGA Tour event on Golf Channel

923
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: wasn't even on network TV. On Golf Channel did a

924
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: pretty good rating just because people are like, whoa, there's

925
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: a twenty year old amateur who's about to beat some

926
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 2: of the biggest names in the game.

927
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: Saban called in for about four Holesban called in for

928
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: about four holes when I was will after that, Yeah,

929
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: that probably helped SEC country.

930
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, how I mean, it's just it's a cool story.

931
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 2: Look I said about Nick Dunlap after he won, and

932
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 2: the whole rhetoric on our channel on PGA Tour Radio

933
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,479
Speaker 2: is about will he turn pro?

934
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: When will he do it?

935
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: And people say he's got to do this, he's got

936
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: to do that. I said, you know what, he's got

937
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 2: to do whatever the hell he wants to do. And

938
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: if he feels like, you know what, it's time for

939
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: me to turn pro, start making money, go play professionally.

940
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 2: This is what I was going to college for. Good

941
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: for him. And if he says, you know what, And

942
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: we saw that video of all the Alabama teammates and

943
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: the bus cheered for him and going nuts. And if

944
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: he goes yeah, I want to go hang out with

945
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: my boys for three more months and go in an

946
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: NCAA title and then I'll turn pro. He should have

947
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: done that, and I just hope that, you know, he

948
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: doesn't regret this decision turning pro. I don't think he will.

949
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 2: And he's gonna be a very good player for a

950
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: very long time. Not to take any shine off of

951
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: Nick Dunlap. I feel like those casual fans out there

952
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: who are like, wait, what are you guys just talking

953
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: about the next big thing like a week ago, and

954
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: now it's him, and now it's this guy. Nick Dunlap's

955
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: not going to be a tenth the player. I don't

956
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: think that Ludwig Obert is. I mean, Ludwig's a generational talent.

957
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: Nick's gonna be a very good player for a very

958
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 2: long time. I think Obert is the real deal though

959
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: when it comes to superstars.

960
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agree. And the thing with Ludwig, right, I

961
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: mean he played out was it four years in college?

962
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: You know when this guy wins this tournament and it

963
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: wasn't just to me if it had been whatever, what's

964
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: the tournament in Iowa? The Farmers Open or whatever, But

965
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: to me, the way he did it, against who he

966
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: did it, and obviously all the things that come along

967
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: with it you're into the events. I do wonder if

968
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: doing it against two Ryder Cuppers was like I don't

969
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: really have a choice, because that's kind of what it

970
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: feels like, like he didn't really want to leave starting

971
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: the week. Clearly it wasn't his plan, even though he

972
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: was in all these events. He had the sweet nil

973
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: deal like lud Big did with Adidas. Right now he's

974
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: making money, but once you want it. It was almost

975
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: like maybe even the coach is like, bro, this is

976
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: you just got to take advantage of the opportunity, which,

977
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: like you said, I hope it's one of those that

978
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: golf's weird, you know it's it's not. He clearly is

979
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: a pretty good player. But if you look up in

980
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: a couple of years and it has it gone well,

981
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be the first to go through that, right.

982
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: I mean, if you could tell me right now, hey,

983
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: I started at ESPN a week out of college, If

984
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 2: you could say, hey, if you go back in time,

985
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: were you happy with that decision or we'll give you

986
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: another Not that I could have stayed in college, but

987
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: we'll give you another semester of college. I would have

988
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: to fail a few more classes than I actually did.

989
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 2: You go back in college, hang out with your buddies

990
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: and have like one more shot. Like that to me

991
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: is like, that's the kind of stuff he might regret.

992
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: You never regret, like, you know, turning pro or something

993
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: like that. You're gonna regret the decision to like miss

994
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: out on the reason you went there in the first place,

995
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: the reason you were having a good time. I'm sure

996
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 2: he'll have a great pro career, and I'm sure either

997
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: way it was gonna turn out fine for him. A

998
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 2: lot of people are I saw a lot of people,

999
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: especially on social media, who I don't think understood what

1000
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: it means to be an amateur, bitching and moaning about

1001
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: the fact that he wasn't gonna get paid the one

1002
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: point six million dollars for winning that golf tournament. I'm like,

1003
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: that's he's an amateur. He can't and he can't do

1004
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 2: it after the tournament. And oh, by the way, don't

1005
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: worry about this kid. He's gonna have whether at nil

1006
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 2: deals before he turned pro. He's gonna have manufacturer deals,

1007
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: OEM deals with a bunch of company. I'm sure he's

1008
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: got logos all over his gear this week, and so

1009
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: he's gonna be just fine. Let's not worry about Nick Dunlap.

1010
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: He's gonna have he's gonna have a place to live,

1011
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: and he's gonna have food on the table for as

1012
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: long as he needs it.

1013
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: I would say this as from a gambling perspective, gambling

1014
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: on Ludwig. You know, last week he missed about seven

1015
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: puts that me or you might have made. He is

1016
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: so freaking you put him at these harder courses, you know,

1017
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: waste It brings a lot of guys into play. But

1018
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: any course to me, riv the Memorial like, he is

1019
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a major if he plays the Honda like,

1020
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: any course where you gotta hit it pretty straight. He

1021
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: is a freaking machine. And if you can get two

1022
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: or three, it's not as much three to one now

1023
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: top tens, but two and a half to one, even

1024
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: two plus two ten to me, he's an auto hammer

1025
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: top ten.

1026
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: So the one thing John that I keep saying about

1027
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: Ludwig is, more so than any other top player in

1028
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: the world, he makes the game look easy. You watch

1029
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: him play, you go why doesn't everyone just hit it

1030
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 2: three forty straight down the middle and then hit the

1031
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: ball close to the hole and roll in their pudet.

1032
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: Looks like a simple game. You watch Scottie Scheffler and

1033
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: you see his footwork, You're like, dude, that looks impossible.

1034
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: I can't do that.

1035
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: You watch Rory mckelury and you're like, that's a guy

1036
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: who's really good. Again, I play golf and I'm like,

1037
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: I can't do what he's doing. You watch Ludvig and

1038
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: you're like, it apparently looks like he's swinging at it,

1039
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 2: and he just hits a crap out of the ball

1040
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: every single time. I'm telling you he's he's got some

1041
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: John Rohm qualities, I think, to him, without the maybe

1042
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: the aggression, I don't know if he's got the same

1043
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 2: internal desire to go win. We're gonna find that out

1044
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: over the next couple of years. But other than that,

1045
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 2: he's good to I was talking about that one and

1046
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 2: Dunpool earlier, where I have Justin Thomas to win Phoenix.

1047
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: I have Ludvig to win the Masters this year. Now, granted,

1048
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: a lot of that is game theory. It's not necessarily

1049
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: I'm betting on Ludvig to win the Masters is first

1050
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: ever major, but a lot of it's game theory. It's

1051
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: trying to be contrary and take a guy that no

1052
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 2: one else can have. But I'm confident enough that I

1053
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: think he will play well in his first trip around Augusta,

1054
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: that I'm taking him there. That's how much I love I.

1055
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times with the younger guys,

1056
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: I watched him a lot of toy It's not even

1057
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: just their putting, it's their short game. He had a

1058
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: couple of chips, like a bunker shot a chip like

1059
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: he was over the green. It was like, this guy's

1060
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: got touch. It's just the putter. And it's just from

1061
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: what I've been told by people that have been around him,

1062
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: Like Butter's just kind of streaky, you know. It's not

1063
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: like he's got some Tony fenwe weird stroke going zla taurus.

1064
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: He's gonna when he gets hot on a given week.

1065
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 1: Everything else in his game elite, I mean elite. Obviously

1066
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: short game will improve a little bit, but his Tita

1067
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: green is top notch on the PGA Tour and his

1068
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: chipping is fine. This guy's not like starting where Victor

1069
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: started or anything.

1070
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 2: You know, can we talk about Tony Fenale's putting and

1071
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 2: someone who I mean, what it's so bad? Here's the deal,

1072
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: by the way, I always you knows comes back to

1073
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 2: kick me in the teeth every single time. And of course,

1074
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: like Tory Pines, where you want to take the ball strikers,

1075
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: it's like tee to green, it's this course has teeth

1076
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 2: and this course is tough in the score. I want

1077
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 2: the guys who are big, brawny ball strikers, and you

1078
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: pick those guys, they get into contention. Then you see

1079
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: that they can't make a three footer even sniff the hole,

1080
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh that's well, ball striking is great,

1081
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: but can't make a putt, you're not gonna win a

1082
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 2: golf tournament. So females like that. And Taylor Pendrith last

1083
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 2: week who four putted from twenty feet on the second

1084
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: hole and still finished like three or four back and

1085
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 2: that didn't help. So yeah, there was there was a

1086
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 2: lot of that going on last.

1087
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: And Tory forces you to just you know, flip up

1088
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: Tiger eight and you watch him hitting above the.

1089
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 4: Hole like none of these guys would get remotely close

1090
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 4: on this butt. I mean not close on a Thursday,

1091
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 4: let alone Sunday, you know, to make it the Monday,

1092
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 4: no fucking chance. Speaking of Tiger, yeah, uh, you know,

1093
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 4: I would say he physically looked a little better at

1094
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 4: the Hero, just not and obviously he talked about the.

1095
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: Surgery was more for the long term. Uh, what's crazy

1096
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: is I during Tori, I was clicking on his PGA

1097
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: Tour page until he got in that accident. He was

1098
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: playing pretty good golf in like eighteen and nineteen, Like

1099
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: he was never gonna probably be the number one player

1100
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: in the world, but he was gonna be a factor

1101
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: on the tour for a while. They clearly derailed him,

1102
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: and it got It got tough to watch last year

1103
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: when it was super cold at the Masters. It was

1104
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: hard to watch if you'd you know, now, it feels

1105
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: like that that probably not gonna happen anymore. And even

1106
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: he admitted once a month that feels a little bold.

1107
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: I'll also believe it when.

1108
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: I see it.

1109
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: But you know, do we get Tiger four Majors and

1110
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: two or three other tournaments this year, I'd be prettyweet.

1111
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm down for that.

1112
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: And you said over under till the Tour Championship seven tournaments,

1113
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: including majors that high or low.

1114
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I would think the plan is pretty much

1115
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: a blueprint right now that he's gonna play RIV. He's

1116
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: gonna play the Players Championship, then get into major championship

1117
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: mode Masters, PGA, US Open, and the Open Championship, and

1118
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: if he plays well enough at any of those, like

1119
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 2: maybe then he has to make this about the FedEx

1120
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 2: Cup playoffs. But that's a good decision to have to make.

1121
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: But I don't think like a memorial or something like

1122
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: that in the middle of the year.

1123
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: No, I think that's too close to It's like, it's

1124
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: two weeks after the PGA and two weeks before the

1125
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 2: US opened. So I just don't think he's gonna do it. Yeah,

1126
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: and I don't. I don't think that's you know, I

1127
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: think Jack will understand. I don't think that's a big deal.

1128
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 2: But once against the major championship season, it's just gonna

1129
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 2: be majors. And I think his play is dependent largely

1130
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: upon the weather. You know, Pinehurst for the US Open,

1131
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: that helps. It's a flatter golf course. Then some of

1132
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: the US it's not beth Page, it's not Oakmont, you know,

1133
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: it's not a big ballpark like that, should be able

1134
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: to walk, it should be nicer weather. So I mean, look,

1135
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: am I optimistic about Tiger this year and playing some

1136
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: good golf? Not really? But am I gonna sit here

1137
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: and say there's no way he can do it? I'm

1138
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 2: gonna write him off. He's not even gonna make a cut,

1139
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 2: of course not. We've been here a million times with

1140
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 2: Tiger already. The guy's proven it all of those times

1141
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: in the past. Sure, you can certainly come back and

1142
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: you can play good golf again.

1143
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: Two guys I'm gonna ride throughout the year, you know,

1144
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 1: for top tens will be Jason Day and Keegan Bradley.

1145
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: Another guy that I'm gonna keep a close eye on

1146
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: is is Hideki, who I think, for the first time

1147
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: in a while, showed a little signs of life that

1148
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: he just not to win, but just you can get

1149
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: some decent odds. Sometimes he's like forty to one and

1150
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: he just has at any moment he can go six

1151
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: seven under and get right back like he did the

1152
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: other on Sunday at Torry times.

1153
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: He's on my do not playlist right now. I am

1154
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: I am off a DECKI look, I had too many

1155
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: times over the last few years where I played Hideki

1156
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: and the neck injury shows itself on a Friday and

1157
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 2: all of a sudden he withdraws or it just starts

1158
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: playing worse, and you know, and it all falls apart there.

1159
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: So you got a name. You got a name for

1160
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: none of those top five. I have six ten guys

1161
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: that you kind of like, just trending into this year. JT.

1162
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: Postin's another guy I like.

1163
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: Nickle Hoygard just walked by like two seconds ago and

1164
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: I was looking at him.

1165
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 1: He's not bad.

1166
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: Rory McElroy is walking five feet away from me right now.

1167
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 2: He seems like a pretty good player, So you know,

1168
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: I take he's just out of earshot. So if I

1169
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: talk about how much I like Rory's time gonna hear me.

1170
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: So you know, he might have to walk about three

1171
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: feet closer right now. But let's see other guys I

1172
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: really like this year. It always depends. I write a

1173
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: column at the beginning of every year called the Leap,

1174
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,959
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to predict guys to be jumping into

1175
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: that next echelon. So, you know, Victor Hoblind I think

1176
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: is gonna win a major. I don't think it's gonna

1177
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: surprise anybody when I say I think Victor Hoblin's pretty good. Yeah, like, yeah,

1178
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: no kidding. If we're looking for a guy who like

1179
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: win for the first time on tour, bo Hostler is

1180
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: a guy that I've been on for a while, and

1181
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 2: even this week at Pebble Beach could be a really

1182
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: good week for him. He's played well here in the

1183
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 2: last couple of years. So he's a guy that I like.

1184
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: I don't know necessarily they'se gonna go out and win

1185
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: a major championship. He's not gonna be a household name,

1186
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: but I like him. I think he's a good player.

1187
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: So you know, it kind of depends on what you're

1188
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: asking of a player, like what kind of jump they're

1189
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: looking to make. But those are some of the names.

1190
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll end it with this. Then, is there any

1191
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: chance that you would bet on a guy in that

1192
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: top group at least the Ryder Cup names, the Xanders,

1193
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: the Cantleys, the Tonys that have never won a major

1194
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: this year? What would it take for you to pick

1195
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: one of those guys in one of the four big tournaments.

1196
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: It's so hard in those where obviously Xander and Tony

1197
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: have had success in them. Patrick for the most parts

1198
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: not as of right now.

1199
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: Between those three, I mean, i'd have to dissect everything.

1200
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: Xander's probably the name that I would go with over

1201
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: Cantley and few, you know, just as it comes to

1202
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: mind with Rory walking past me right here that Raror's

1203
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 2: on the policy board. Last year Rory did not play

1204
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 2: his best golf for most of the year, only won

1205
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: the Scottish Open. Patrick Kentley on the policy board right now.

1206
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: I don't think most people understand how much work that

1207
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 2: is for these guys. It's not like, hey, once a

1208
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: month we get on a little zoom call and you know,

1209
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: we talk about things with the PGA Tour and then

1210
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 2: go away and go play golf. Like he gets done

1211
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: with rounds and has phone calls to answer and emails

1212
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 2: to look at. I mean, there's especially a second job. Yeah,

1213
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: it's really tough. And I think that Chantley is gonna

1214
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: be the perfect example of a guy that just isn't

1215
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: gonna be able to play his best golf when there's

1216
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: all this other stuff going on. So Xander, of those guys,

1217
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: watch out for Homa, I'm telling you, Like Max Olma

1218
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: has not had any major championship success speak of. I

1219
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: would not be surprised if he goes out and wins

1220
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: the Majors for the first time this year too. He's really, really,

1221
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: really talented.

1222
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: Speaking of the other tour, I mean, one guy that

1223
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: starts showing signs of like that clearly has a high ceiling.

1224
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: It's bryceon, you know, and I just he's hard to

1225
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: It's hard to know what those guys are doing over there.

1226
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: But I do think it's fair to say he takes

1227
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: golf seriously, right. He's not a slappy that's not trying practicing,

1228
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: so he's trying. I do think if if his odds

1229
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: are just could be a little out of whack, like

1230
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: if he was playing on the PGA Tour and playing well,

1231
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: he'd be a twenty to one or above guy. If

1232
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: you start seeing the Majors and you get him thirty

1233
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: five forty forty five to one, which depending on how

1234
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: he's playing and lives, there might be some value there

1235
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: for a guy that's just truly gonna try, you know,

1236
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: in practice.

1237
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mind. Look, if you can get Bryson

1238
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: at it might need to be a little bit bigger

1239
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 2: number than that.

1240
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, for one, you know us open the Maaster.

1241
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: He just went to Augusta National. Bob Horrick from Sports

1242
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 2: Illustrated just wrote about him, U taking a little practice

1243
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 2: trip to Augusta National recently.

1244
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: That place owner. I wouldn't touch him there.

1245
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 2: You know what depends on the number. If you give

1246
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 2: me a big number on Bryson, I might take a

1247
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: little shot on that, just because the upside is there.

1248
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 2: And again, when we're betting outrights, if you're betting top tens,

1249
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 2: you said you've had really good luck with top tens

1250
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 2: so far this year, and I love that, and I

1251
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 2: say this all the time. I'm going on at the

1252
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: tangent here. But for those who don't regularly bet on

1253
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: golf and want to start betting on golf, my first thing,

1254
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: my first piece of advice is to know what type

1255
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 2: of better you are, because that will help shape the

1256
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 2: way you bet. If your guy that just says, hey,

1257
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna throw twenty bucks out there,

1258
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put five bucks on four different guys with

1259
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: one hundred to one odds are bigger and I just

1260
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 2: want to hit a lottery ticket, have something to watch

1261
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: on a Sunday. If I lose, No big deal. Fine,

1262
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 2: just understand that that's who you are if you're someone

1263
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: who goes. I have worked hard for this money. I

1264
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 2: have made this money myself. I don't want to lose money.

1265
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: I need to turn a profit. Top tens, but top twenties,

1266
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: top forties, I mean, you can bet guys. I was

1267
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 2: looking this week Maverick McNeely, who I kind of like

1268
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: this week because had some success at pebbal Beach. He's

1269
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: even money for a top forty, where essentially you just

1270
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 2: have to be in the top half of the field

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Speaker 2: this week. I mean, there's some good numbers out there.

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Speaker 2: So Bryson's a guy going back to the Bryson conversation,

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01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: Bryson's not necessarily a guy that I'm going to bet

1274
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 2: heavily for a top ten, top twenty at a major

1275
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: championship because the floor is pretty low, but the ceiling's

1276
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 2: really high, and if he puts them all together for

1277
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 2: four days, sure Bryson can win a tournament. So I

1278
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: don't mind the outright play, but I don't want to

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01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to play the floor play because I

1280
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: don't know that that floor is ever necessarily going to

1281
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 2: be pretty high.

1282
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: Where you getting drinks the next couple nights of Spanish Bay.

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01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 2: Ah. Yeah, we'll see what happens. We got we got

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01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 2: some options around here. I'll put it this way. I'm

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01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: staying nowhere close to here, and uh, I still have

1286
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 2: my rental car, so I might be beholding to some

1287
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 2: buddies and see where we where we wind up this

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Speaker 2: week in.

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Speaker 1: The Central Valley, the price points are pretty expensive right

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Speaker 1: around the middle.

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01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh a little, a little out of my Gilroy

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01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 2: Company's price range. Uh, Salinas this week.

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01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: I've been there, I've been bigger.

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01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 2: Bigger question might be where I'm playing golf on Thursday,

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01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 2: not where I'm where I'm drinking. So we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: We'll make sure you bring your rain jacket.

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Speaker 2: Good talking. I need enough people to cancel their rounds

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01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: on Thursday for me to get it out off the

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Speaker 2: alternate list.

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Speaker 1: But take it easy. Talk soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks dude, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: The volume