1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Kyle Gibson Lance Lynn with us as well. 3 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: We understand that Kyle's Internet is a little spotty. We're 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: going to try to battle through it. Gentlemen, good to 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: see you. The first thing is there is a little 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: bit of Cardinal news, kind of the continuation or the 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: finalization of something that we knew was coming. But the 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: Cardinals have come to terms with Dustin May the contract 9 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: details of release. He passed his physical, which was the 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: last remaining obstacle. I guess with the holiday season they 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: had to get schedules in sync, and Dustin May is 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: now a Cardinal details of the contract twelve point five 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: million dollars for the first year with it's the twenty 14 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: million dollar option twenty twenty seven now memory serves me, gentlemen. 15 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: The uh, the bulk of the panel, I think everyone 16 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: agreed it was a very good signing. The numbers, I 17 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: don't think they're totally surprising, But Kyle will just get 18 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: your take on twelve point five Is that kind of 19 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: what you were thinking for May? 20 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 2: Yeah? 21 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 3: I think so. 22 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 4: I think probably going rate at this point or a 23 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 4: quality starter that you think you're going to get thirty 24 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 4: starts and one hundred and sixty innings out of, and 25 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 4: you know that's the hope, you know. I think you 26 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 4: look back just a couple of years ago, probably had 27 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 4: similar talks to what Lance and I had with them, 28 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 4: you know, pretty similar numbers, and you know, you get 29 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 4: a guy that with that kind of pedigrade as an 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 4: asked stuff, I think it's a good deal. 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: How about you, Lance, did you expect that that number 32 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: right in the ballpark of what you were thinking? 33 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think just because age, the age itself and 34 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: the and the stuff kind of puts you over that 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: ten mark. So it was kind of going to see 36 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: where was it going to land between kind of ten 37 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: and fifteen. So it landed right in the middle. So 38 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: that makes sense for both sides. I don't know what 39 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: the mutual option buy out and all that looks like, 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: but usually mutual options aren't picked up by one side, 41 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: so it's pretty much most likely a one year deal. 42 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: And you know where the Cardinals are at, they needed 43 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: someone that they could throw up at the top. That's 44 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: you know, been around done some things played in good 45 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: organizations to help the help the group out as a whole. 46 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: But you also look at last year he got traded 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: for I think a first round draft pick no more 48 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: than like two years ago. So where the money's at 49 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Uh, if it gets the mid 50 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: season point and you know he's throwing the ball uh decently, 51 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: well he's gonna he's gonna ness you a good return 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 2: if the Cardinals are not in it. So all in all, 53 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: you know, that's a good deal for both sides. 54 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and for and for him. 55 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: Lancy's kind of betting on himself, right, I mean, there 56 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: wasn't a lot probably of better operas out there he 57 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: would have grabbed it. This guy has potential when he's healthy, 58 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: he is a really really good pitcher. Right, So he's 59 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: been on himself. Has a good season, see where it 60 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: lands him. 61 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're looking at a guy that's under 62 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: thirty years old and that's had this most innings he's 63 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: ever thrown last year, and you would expect him to 64 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: be able to maybe jump to one sixty this year. 65 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 2: And if he does that, then he's going to be 66 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 2: twenty nine years old looking for a four or five 67 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: year deal. So in his in his camp, it's a 68 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: no brainer to do a one year deal, but it 69 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: also gives him a little bit of you know, I 70 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: guess the option gives him a little bit of, you know, 71 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: something to fall back on. But like I said, most 72 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: options don't don't get picked up on both sides. So 73 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: you know, it's a gives him a chance to make 74 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: some money, go establish himself even more healthy, can you know? 75 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: Full season one hundred and sixty innings and then next 76 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: thing you know, you're twenty nine years old looking for 77 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: a four or five year deal, going into your mid 78 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: thirties and probably looking for twenty plus, especially with you know, 79 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: some of the stuff you've seen this year with you know, 80 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: Merle Kelly getting twenty a year at thirty seven years 81 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: old without the electric stuff that you know Dustin has. 82 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: So it's a no doubt or hey, let's see what 83 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: I can do for one year and get more. Because 84 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: if it was a multi year deal, k I think 85 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: would have been Kyle you probably guess I would say 86 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: probably around two for twenty would have been probably the ballpark, 87 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: give or take to give a two year deal. So 88 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: this is a he's betting on himself. The worst case scenario, 89 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: he gets one for eight next year in free agency, 90 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: because they'll be the same boat that he had been in. 91 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: Thank Kyle, just what the Cardinals needed for their rotation, right, 92 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: just what they were looking for. 93 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: Yep. 94 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think you know to that point, Lance, 95 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 4: I think this is a good landing spot as well 96 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 4: because of defense, you know, I think the Cardinals have 97 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 4: a good defense. Now, Dustin May doesn't always use his defense. 98 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 4: He's got you messed up, but he's got that sinker 99 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 4: that he throws ground balls are going to turn it out. 100 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 4: I think that's a good place for him to be 101 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 4: to make the thirty starts and good ballpark the pitch him. 102 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: As for the trade market, it's been going crazy with 103 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 1: relief pitchers right. A couple of top of the line 104 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: relievers came off the market. Keller signs with the Phillies, 105 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: Luke Weaver to the Match. Both get two year deals. 106 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: The Cardinals have a lefty reliever, which is even better 107 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: in terms of what teams are looking for. With Jojo Romero, 108 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: they've reportedly decided that he would be a good guy 109 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: to bring back some trade pieces and deal him. I'm 110 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: just wondering, Lance, what you make of the reliever market. 111 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: Because you have teams right now doubling up on guys 112 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: that are closers. I mean, the relievers are coming off 113 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: the board one after the other. 114 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 3: It's like a domino effect. 115 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're seeing teams say, hey, we don't 116 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: just need one uh like back end closer a type, 117 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: we need multiple. And that's also gonna if you're plan 118 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: on being a playoff team and keeping guys healthy throughout 119 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: the year, you got it. You can't just run one 120 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: guy out there every close situation because he's going to 121 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: get beat up and do things. So you've gotta be 122 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: able to mix and match at times, uh know when 123 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 2: a guy's barking, know when a guy needs some extra time, 124 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: and have a guy that you're comfortable with doing that, 125 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: and then you know, when you get in the playoffs 126 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: and all that, it's hey, whichever matchup works well in 127 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 2: the seventh or eighth and ninth inning. If you've got 128 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: three guys that you know have the ability to finish 129 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: a ball game, then you're able to give that money. 130 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: I think. I think surprisingly you see some of the 131 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: money going around for quote unquote seventh eighth inning guys, 132 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: you know, eleven million dollars a year for those guys. 133 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: Is it just shows you what teams put on the 134 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: back end of games. Now it's more important than uh, 135 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: you know, they're you know, three four or five starters 136 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: because they're just gonna run started out there for five 137 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: and this and that now, so they're devaluing the three four, 138 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: five starters but overvaluing the you know, seventh, eighth, indiing guys. 139 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: So that's part of the game. This is the wave 140 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: that we're in right now. And then when it comes 141 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: to Jojo, if you look at you know, the can 142 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: control the price tag and all that, and uh, in 143 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: the in the world that we live in, relievers are 144 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: are they They come and go year in and year out. 145 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: So if you've got a guy that you know you're 146 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: not gonna sign and can net you a good package, 147 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: it's not a bad idea to entertain that. So that's why, 148 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: especially with the money that's being thrown out for guys, 149 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: if you can get some good prospects for him and 150 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: guys can they can pay him a little bit less 151 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: than you know what what guys are getting on the 152 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: on the open market right now, it's a it's a 153 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: no brainer for for the Cardinals, especially if you're in 154 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: a boat where, hey, we are retooling. You know, he's 155 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,119 Speaker 2: a he's a type of guy that you know, teams 156 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: are really gonna throws some two good prospects at you, 157 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: and you got to kind of look at it and 158 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: you might be able to, you know, in house cover 159 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: the eighth ninth inning and you get two prospects and 160 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: you said some money. So it's not a bad idea. 161 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: So let's talk about Jojo Kyle, twenty nine year old 162 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: lefty and coming off really his best year in the 163 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: major's career high an inning, sixty one innings e al right, 164 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: two point oh seven, pitched in a few different spots, 165 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: but all of them leverage, and he didn't just pitch well, 166 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: he excelled. What do the Cardinals have and what are 167 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: the upside things about Jojo that will make them attract 168 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: him to another ball club? 169 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 4: Well, I think he does well against rieties as well, 170 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 4: which is nice. He doesn't have, you know, splits that 171 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 4: make it tough to leave him in there for you know, 172 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 4: even an inning plus, So that's nice. And I think 173 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 4: what we're seeing with teams, they're they're playing more of 174 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 4: the game of Okay, well, we have our back end, 175 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 4: so we're not. But what good does that do us? 176 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 4: If we give up the lead in the eighth, or 177 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 4: we give up the lead in the seventh, then we 178 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 4: can't even use our ninth thing guy that we're paying 179 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 4: all this way too. So yeah, I mean, I think 180 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 4: if you're a playoff team and you want to make 181 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 4: sure that seventh, eighth, ninth, and eth lockdown, then JoJo's 182 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 4: a guy that you're going to be willing to overpay. 183 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: Prospects for and have some control over. 184 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: That was a really, really good picture. 185 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: But I wonder you talk about the teams that are 186 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: doubling up on closers lance Like I mean, like Atlanta's bullpen, 187 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: it's bulked out right now. But when you have a 188 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: guy who's used to closing and then he's not going 189 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: to be the guy closing games, there's a mental aspect. 190 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: Like I look at Hellesley in New York, right he's 191 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: closer with the Cardinals franchise record for saves in a season, 192 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: and then he's sort of a setup guy and he 193 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: admittedly didn't necessarily excel in that role. Isn't there a 194 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: mental aspect with changing the guy's world? You would say Okay, 195 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: it's baseball, you're gonna pitch here. But with some guys, 196 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: I think closers, that mentality is a little different. 197 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have to realize that usually the guys 198 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: that have problems with it came up and they were 199 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 2: the guy right away at like, you know, Helsley came 200 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 2: in and kind of took over the closer role and 201 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: knows his you look at I had Craig Kimbro come over, 202 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: uh to the White Sox and he struggled with it, 203 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: and then we have Liam heinrickx as as a nineth 204 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: ending guy. But Craig is like the top you know, 205 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: I don't even know where he's at. He's like top 206 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: ten saves of all time list. So that's like it's 207 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: kind of a it's kind of a kick in the 208 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: sack for guys like that when they go to go 209 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: to teams. Guys like Jojo haven't quite been like, hey, 210 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: I've been the guy from the get go. He's used 211 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: to pitching anywhere whenever he's told uh, same with like 212 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: Weaver when he's going what he's doing and uh with 213 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: the Mets. Now, guys that kind of grew into back 214 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: end guys or you know, weren't the closer or hand 215 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: of the closer roles at a young age, don't really 216 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 2: care and they can't pitch anywhere. Guys like Elsley, you're 217 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: Kimber's and stuff where it's like, hey, I've only ever closed, 218 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: so I don't know what else to do. You understand, 219 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: because it's a different whole, different daily routine. You know, 220 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: when you got to be ready this and that. But 221 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: these guys that are pitching the seventheth inning most of 222 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: their career but have the ability to close, just go 223 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 2: out there and do it. Allah Andrew Miller. Andrew Miller 224 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: was the guy that kind of invented this role, seventh 225 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: eighth inning guy that just dominated, but he had closer stuff, 226 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: but he could pitch wherever, and he made a bullpend 227 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: great and he made these guys be very valuable. So 228 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: there is a different You got to look at how 229 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: they were brought up and what they were asked to 230 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: do earlier in their career. Helsey was never really asked 231 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: to do anything else. Greig Kimberle was never really asked 232 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: to do anything else. They were the closer, So that's 233 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: going to be a different and different feel for him. 234 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: And so for the Rutger Jojo had eight saves last year, 235 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: and even when Helsley was gone, he wasn't the primary closer. 236 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: They sort had a team concept, so he can do 237 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: pretty much any leverage situation. Again, his numbers last season 238 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: really really good. Kept his velocity. I think there was 239 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: a little down spot, but kept his velocity and excelled 240 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: in the leverage situations. But with all the moves made 241 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: in terms of bullpen pieces now leverage guys, Kyle, I 242 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: wonder is the market just heating up now or is 243 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: it possible that the Cardinals waited a little too long 244 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: to get the most. 245 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: In return if they do, in fact trade Jojo. 246 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 4: I don't think they waited too long. I think because 247 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 4: I don't think a team is going to trade for 248 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 4: him and say that he's their closer. I think the 249 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 4: team is probably setting up the backside first and then figured. 250 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: Out a. 251 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 4: Little bit more for a diel like Well, I mean, 252 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 4: Kittridge isn't available, but you know that's the cop, right 253 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 4: Are we going to pay for a Kittridge or would 254 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 4: we rather use prospect capital and trade for a who 255 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 4: is for Leavers like Jojo are always going to be 256 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 4: desired by other teams that know he has flexibility anywhere 257 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 4: from the sixth to the ninth. 258 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: And we're going to take a break here you are 259 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: watching Cardinal Territory. 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If you're resetting, like the 277 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: Cardinals are, you listen to every deal, right, someone says, 278 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: hey I want this guy, even if you didn't plan 279 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: to trade them, you got to listen to everyone. But 280 00:14:54,560 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm asking you, guys specifically, if you were saved, for example, 281 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: the cards were a yard sale, you had one sign 282 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: this is not for sale. Which player would get your 283 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: not for sale sign? And I'll start with with. 284 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: You, alight. I got a question though. So you're saying, 285 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: all right, we're calling it, they're calling it a retool? 286 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: Is what everyone? 287 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: We can reset? 288 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: Reset, reset, Yeah, whatever Sam's saying. But here's the issue. 289 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: If you trade Donovan's of the World and New Barts, 290 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: that's a teardown. So if you're tearing it down, who's 291 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: your no If you're gonna say those guys are all 292 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: getting traded, now, who's a no trade, It's it's Mason, 293 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: Like that's on the big league grocer. That's been your 294 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: guy right there. It's Mason. When that would be that 295 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: would be the only guy that is probably untouchable in 296 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: a sense of hey, we're tearing it down. We're gonna 297 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: build around our middle, our gold glover. That's that. But 298 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: if you're doing a retool, then you don't get rid 299 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: of Donovan New any of those guys. And you just 300 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: try to figure out what you can get for uh 301 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: Contraras and and Olin and then retool around the young 302 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: core that you already have. But if you're tearing it down, 303 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: you keep the young short stop. That's a that's a 304 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: gold glover, that's kind. 305 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 3: Of already your guy. 306 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: And then and then if you're gonna tear it down, 307 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: tear it down Jojo Donna, then New you know those guys, 308 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: anybody that's in arbitration a year or two into arbitration, 309 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: tear down and let's rebuild the Let's just you know, 310 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: just go the way down to the studs. 311 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: All right? 312 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: First, uh, Kyle, who is your not for sale? And 313 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: then I want to get your reaction to that, because 314 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: one thing about Lance Lynn, he keeps it real. 315 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 4: You know, I just I love that Lance used being. 316 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 4: Now you have, you know, take it down to the 317 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 4: stud tier. I am standing in the home build and 318 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 4: you know Lance goes straight to the construction pund this 319 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 4: three years Bill, I see you start, Yeah, twelve to 320 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 4: sixteen you're really doings as you know, three years aga 321 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 4: twelve to sixteen months. That's exactly what That's exactly what 322 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 4: constructed this. Yeah, so you know, I don't know who 323 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 4: I would say is untouchable. I would agree, I think 324 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 4: everything Lance said there. If it's if it is a retool, 325 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 4: you're not getting rid of those guys. So if I 326 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 4: had to pick one, because I don't even think unless 327 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 4: you have plans to play JJ at shortstop, I don't 328 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 4: even think you trade Mason if it's a retool. You know, obviously, 329 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 4: because if you trade Mason, I think it's a tear down. 330 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 4: But I would probably say a guy like Burlison would 331 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 4: be one guy that I would say, Okay, you know, 332 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 4: just I don't know, just trying to say somebody different, really, 333 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 4: But I mean I like what Burley brings to the 334 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 4: plate with his contact with ump, with doubles, with versatility, 335 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 4: playing defense, and just park group. 336 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: So to me, if I were setting up tables of yards, 337 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: I would steer people away from Burrows and say, oh, 338 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: you don't want to look that guy. I wouldn't want 339 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: to deal him. But for me, it's Mason Win. I 340 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: think we saw him play through a knee injury and 341 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: he had a really good season. I mean he was 342 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: in pain. He was in pain for most of the 343 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: season and didn't say a word. On top of that, 344 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: I think there's so much offensive potential that he's yet 345 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: to unlock with the pull side power. I think he's 346 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: a twenty homer guy with a decent batting average and 347 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: not just gold glove defense, that and beyond. And he's 348 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: a leader in the clubhouse. Like he's not a guy 349 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: that wants to be on camera all the time, but 350 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: I watch him there and you could see behind the 351 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: scenes he's the guy. So Mason Win is the guy 352 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: that I would not want to touch. 353 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: He would be untouchable for me. 354 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: But I want to go back to the word recent, 355 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: because that's what I'm has called it. He doesn't say 356 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: it's a rebuild or a retool. He says reset, but 357 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: Lance Linn says it's a tear down if they're trading 358 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,479 Speaker 1: the guys that are reportedly on the block. So are 359 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: you not buying reset at this point knowing what the 360 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: plans may be? 361 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 3: Lance? 362 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying, Well, if you look at 363 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: where they're at right now, they've only gotten rid of Sonny, 364 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: So if they get rid of Wilson and Nolan, that's 365 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: the reset we're talking about. And then how can we 366 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 2: build around Donnie Burley, Mason new and then what is 367 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: going to not only make them better put them in 368 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 2: their best spots every day, but what's on the market 369 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: for one year deal is kind of like you did 370 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 2: with Dustin May for big league bench players or platoon players. 371 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: And then some of these guys that are you know, hey, 372 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: we don't know if they're every day ready yet, they 373 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 2: need to go to triple A and then that's the 374 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 2: reset because also that's going to reset their clock too, 375 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: so they're not all hitting arbitration at the same time 376 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: and free agency at the same time. Then you have 377 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: to play everybody at the same time. So you got 378 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: to figure out how to stagger some of these guys 379 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: big league time, this and that by getting big leaguers 380 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: ready to go every day to help some of these 381 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 2: guys too, so they can slowly navigate into a winning program. 382 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 2: If you just thow everybody, if you tear it down, 383 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: or I say, if you reset and get rid of 384 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: all the old guys and bring nothing in, you're just 385 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: going to turn into a team that's got a bunch 386 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 2: of young guys that don't really know who's doing what 387 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 2: where they're supposed to be, and they're not going about 388 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 2: it the right way in a sense of, hey, here's 389 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: how you do it every day. Here's the lineups we're 390 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: going to put together. Righty, lefty, you're in here and here, 391 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: and here's what we expect from you. And if you 392 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: don't get it done, hey we got a guy in 393 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: TRIPAA that can come up and stuff like that. That's 394 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: the retooling that you need is And let's be honest, 395 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 2: the last two years you've sit there and said, hey, 396 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: it's this guy's runway, Like we know who people are 397 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: right now, we got a really damn good idea who's 398 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: who Unless something dramatically changes, and if that does, that's 399 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 2: great then you're in a really good spot. But don't 400 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: plan on that plan on Hey, how am. 401 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: I going to do something? 402 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: And how they're going to you know, how are they 403 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 2: going to show me and earn it back from triple A? 404 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 2: Because I've given them two years in the big leagues 405 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: to do nothing, So now I need to get something 406 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: out there that can actually give me something to work 407 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: with and put a winning product on the field, because 408 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: you still have to try to win while you're developing 409 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: these guys, or you just turn into losing baseball players 410 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: at the big league level. And Kyle and I and 411 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: I he knows exactly what I'm talking about and the 412 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: team that I'm talking about that has done it that way, 413 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: and it will literally bury your franchise if you do 414 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: not teach them how to be winning big league players. 415 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 2: So that's my, my, my little spiel. 416 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 3: I liked it. 417 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: So the guys I think that got a lot of 418 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: runway and didn't have necessarily good seasons. You're talking about 419 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: Walker who has tremendous upside. You're talking about Gorman, who 420 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: has tremendous power. I'm sure there's teams interested in both 421 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: those guys. But Kyle, I'm gonna ask you now, are 422 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: you to yourself as you watch this thing unfold and 423 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: knowing what the plans are, are you saying reset, retool? 424 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: I guess we're going to conflate those two or are 425 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: they looking to do a bit more? 426 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: And maybe it is a teardown. 427 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 4: I don't think it's a teardown. I think they still 428 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 4: trust some of these guys that they've given runway, And 429 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 4: I think this is if it turns into they don't 430 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 4: take a step forward and get better, then it probably 431 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 4: turns more into a teardown. If they take a step forward, 432 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 4: I think it looks like a retool. 433 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: All right, last thing, and then I will let you, gentlemen, go. Look, 434 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about Donnie Brendan Donovan, and I 435 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: know you guys like him. You don't want to see 436 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: him go anywhere because you feel he's a piece to 437 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: build around. He would also be on the table where 438 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll look over there. But it remains a 439 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: fact that he is the most attractive position player based 440 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: on his versatility, based on his upside that would bring 441 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: you the most in return. So when you talk about 442 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan, it's not so much they want. 443 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: To get rid of a guy. 444 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: It's just everyone wants him on their team because they 445 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: can put him in a number of different places. So cow, 446 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: my question to you is if they do trade Brendan Donovan, 447 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: who knows if they will. I recently said, we're we're 448 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: not looking to trade him. There's been a lot of interest, 449 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: a lot of the talk that you hear from GM's 450 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: president baseball ops agents. You don't really know what the 451 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: true meaning is. My question to you answered, is it 452 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: a mistake, even if you're getting a nice turn of 453 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: young players to trade Brendon Donovan. 454 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 2: I think you look at one thing and one thing 455 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 2: only when you're looking at this this reset. A guy 456 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: gets traded like Donovan, what does that do to your 457 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 2: clubhouse day in and day out? In my opinion, it's 458 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: going to hurt the clubhouse day in and day out. 459 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 2: Him new and Burl saying if they're gone, that hurts 460 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 2: the clubhouse day in and day out more than anyone 461 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: would ever know, in my opinion. So that's where I'm 462 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 2: at on this whole thing. You have to get quite 463 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: a return to make it worth not having a guy 464 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: like that there every day. And he's young. He can 465 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 2: do so many different things, like you making one of 466 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,239 Speaker 2: your pillars by giving him an extension when he is 467 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: not as expensive as he will be in the future. 468 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 2: So that's my take on it. 469 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: It's a pretty good one kind of you with Lance 470 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: on that one, because he makes a pretty strong taste 471 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: from keeping Brendan Donovan. 472 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I am, and I think I had a 473 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 4: really interesting conversation with Matt Carpenter a team of twenty 474 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 4: twenty four, and we were talking about the difference between 475 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 4: a good player and a winning player, and Brendan Donovan 476 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 4: is a winning player, and to me, those are the 477 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 4: guys that you don't necessarily trade when you're in the 478 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 4: middle of retool. Like we had said, if you're in 479 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 4: the middle of a teardown, then yes you do, but 480 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 4: you keep those guys in the retool because winning players 481 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 4: breed winning players. And I think being in Saint Louis, Midwest, 482 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 4: middle of America, where you have people that really in 483 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 4: the show me state love loyalty, I think it's a 484 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 4: good move to find Donovan and a couple other guys 485 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 4: that say you are our guys, and yeah, we're going 486 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 4: to try and make you a Cardinal for life. 487 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of folks in the Saint Louis 488 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: area would be happy if they kept running Downovan, but 489 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: every Cardinal fan wants the Cardinals to improve in any 490 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: way they can. Gentlemen, it was a pleasure. 491 00:25:59,720 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 3: Kyle. 492 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: Good luck with the It's a build up, it's not 493 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: a retool, but. 494 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: There's still work to be done. 495 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: Right, It's not a teartory lance, always a pleasure. That's 496 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: going to do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. 497 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: If you're podcasting, go ahead, throw five stars on it. 498 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: If you're watching on YouTube, link and subscribe that we 499 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: are on the Foul Territory platform. 500 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 3: We will see you next time. 501 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: Hopefully that episode won't suck.